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George Borgesi new boss in Philly

Posted By: HandsomeStevie

George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 12:34 AM

George Borgesi, 50, is said to have taken the big seat, a source told Cosa Nostra News.

The family's former consiglieri, "Georgie is not liked on the street," said the source. He added that Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi, boss of the family who has been claiming he is retired, and Borgesi, who is Uncle Joe's nephew, don't get along.

"Since Georgie's been back he's had the Salvo brothers who are loyal to him grabbing everything back that was his before he went to jail.

"Uncle Joe's guys who collected [money for him], you could work with. Georgie is a stone-cold killer and it's only a matter of time before bodies start adding up. [Borgesi's] still on parole, I guess so he's limited as to what he can do [for now]."

Borgesi "pretty much put himself in that position when his uncle said he was retiring and going to Florida. Everybody is just waiting for the shoe to drop and see what's left."

"Nobody knows who to trust or who will step up when the dust clears. Scarfo Senior's guys are out but staying under the radar. It's gonna be interesting who steps to the plate."

In January 26, 2014, after 13 years in prison, Borgesi, the Philadelphia mob's former consigliere, walked away from the James A. Byrne federal courthouse holding hands with a woman he married while behind bars.

A jury had acquitted "Georgie Boy" on one count of racketeering conspiracy and said it was hopelessly deadlocked on three of four counts facing his uncle and codefendant, Ligambi. The jury cleared Ligambi of one witness-intimidation count and he was later let go as well when prosecutors decided not to put the boss of the Philly mob on trial for a third time.

Ligambi wasted no time in announcing his plans to retire from the mob, as we noted, in order to "summer in Longport and winter in Florida."

This has caused speculation about who would take over the mob. According to the source who contacted us, It seems Georgie Boy is making his move, which likely wouldn't happen unless Uncle Joe did indeed "retire."

But if George is taking the spot, a lot depends on who is backing him. If he's not well liked and still moving to reclaim territory lost during his dozen years of imprisonment, then the volatility for which the Philadelphia crime family was once well-known can return as swiftly as the time it takes to pull a trigger.

As we noted, among whatever other rivalries within the Philly mob family, the basic stage includes two generations historically at odds with each other, the old Scarfo gang and the Merlino young turks.

The ability to hold the two groups together was said to be largely due to the finesse of "Uncle Joe," who is credited for keeping the peace.

But with or without him, shifts in power are inevitable as the family's composition changes (with some members returning to the street, and others heading off to prison).
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 12:44 AM

What is the world coming to?!?!? He's probably the only guy who wants the job anymore.
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 12:55 AM

Not a chance on earth this is true , he will be a lightening rod nothing more
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 12:59 AM

Its very believable to me and I actually heard it from another knowledgeable source about a week ago. It don't surprise me at all.
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:03 AM

I thought he was despised on the street, why would Steve mazzone step aside for borgesi ? Doesn't make sense
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:06 AM

Could be Borgesi as boss, Mazzone as under boss and Johnny Chang as consig... It makes sense to me.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:07 AM

I don't pretend to know a thing about Philly other than that they make a nice roast pork and broccoli rabe sandwich down there. But just as a casual observer, I find this very difficult to believe. But if it's true, I can't see how this guy doesn't end up back in jail.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:11 AM

Mazzone don't want all the heat that comes with being boss. Hes smart. He was just acting boss to make sure the family didn't crumble to pieces worse then it already has in the past. Now he can still make just as much money and not be so hot. And Borgesi, mazzone, and Merlino are the ones who fought to take over the family. I am sure they are still tight.
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:11 AM

I can't see this being true , wot about the old scarfo guys, surely if a agreement has been reached one of those must have an administration spot
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:12 AM

Yea its gonna be funny when Borgesi' parole officer reads the article and asks Georgie about it lol
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:13 AM

Wonder where lucibello fits in wen he comes home ??
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:14 AM

There's so many high ranking members, not enough administration spots.
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:16 AM

Yeah I agree , the administration is a mystery at the minute , I suppose that's the wa it should be
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:33 AM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
There's so many high ranking members, not enough administration spots.

It's called all chiefs, no Indians. And that's how every criminal organization, starting with the Roman Empire, fell apart.
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:41 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
There's so many high ranking members, not enough administration spots.

It's called all chiefs, no Indians. And that's how every criminal organization, starting with the Roman Empire, fell apart.


Good Analogy and in the smaller families that's always a problem one word ..money
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 04:58 AM

Originally Posted By: domwoods74
I thought he was despised on the street, why would Steve mazzone step aside for borgesi ? Doesn't make sense

He's not despised on the street but I highly doubt he is the boss if anything he's stille the consigliere Stevie is the boss whether he is acting boss for Merlino or not idk but there's no way Georgie's the boss but I'm sure he is in the administration as consigliere, it's possible there using him as a lightening rod but I very highly doubt he's the real boss he's got the balls but not the brains, Stevie has both the balls and brain and Johnny Chang also has a lot or brains, so like I said before there's no way Georgie is the official boss if anything he's consigliere or maybe even underboss
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 06:44 AM

I guess we will never know for sure until somebody gets caught on wiretap.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 07:25 AM

No chance, he's still on parole. He's a lightning rod if anything, Mazzone is the real power in the family, Borgesi is dumb enough to fall for this.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 09:36 AM

The only way this is true and Corky is in charge, is if Mazzone used his smarts and wanted to use the guy as a lightning rod

Borghesi is not boss material. Doesn't even look italian. lol
Posted By: F_white

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 09:39 AM

If true smart move on Joe and Steve, let him take the heat.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 09:42 AM

Steve Mazzone looks like Murmur out of The Sopranos.
Posted By: stevietro

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 09:51 AM

At most Georgie will be the front boss, have to agree with the general consensus that he is not boss material.
Posted By: moneyman

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:18 AM

IF and big IF its true...

My guess is that Mazzone and Chang really dont want the top spot because of heat and this is a political move by Merlino. I think Georgie is considered a guy who would like the name and stature, so Merlino appeases both Mazzone and Chang by letting them do there thing without the heat and hot head Georgie gets the title he wants and whatever else he is entitled to. He did do a lot of time which especially in Philly means alot.

This would mean that the Georgie bad blood with everyone rumor is probably overblown and the dust has settled.

Ligambi probably retired in prison a couple of years ago when realized how bad the feds wanted him even at his old age

I think the smart guys in philly want Chang as boss, but since he's smart he wont do that.... just my guess this could all be BS of course
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:30 AM

What's the general consensus around here? Is Merlino still involved in the mob or not?
Posted By: stevietro

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:36 AM

I'm not exactly an expert on the subject but my personal opinion is that Merlino is semi-retired, he may mediate between the rival factions but I don't think he is the secret boss. Then again I've never even been to Philly so what do I know!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:47 AM

Originally Posted By: stevietro
Then again I've never even been to Philly so what do I know!

Scotland's not in Pennsylvania? lol
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:47 AM

It's believable that Borgesi is the new boss. Never underestimate the ego. That's what pushes these guys anyway. He just beat the government. He pounded his chest in private, now it's time to do it in public. Of course, I have zero information on this; total speculation.

Now, the original post says Georgie is volatile and has poor relationships on the street; and bodies may start dropping. I will say this: If the Scarfo guys are involved with the Philly Mob and Borgesi is a maniac, hes dead. No way they let another boss send them to jail. And, his friends Mazzone, Merlino(if involved), etc., won't hesitate to blast him either.

If he's boss, he's either in jail or dead in 2 years.

On a side note, the "other shoe" is gonna been when Nicodemo go back to trial/gets convicted/if he flips. All of these guys are on borrowed time.
Posted By: moneyman

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:49 AM

i would say probably a 75% he is involved as an upper level guy and uses that guy wagner and sonny mazzone as his messengers.

i would say that Ligambi is retired as he's old and went to jail for 3 yrs- has a bunch of kids etc
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 11:28 AM

If Borgesi is boss then it is not LCN. The guy is nothing but a dumb thug who coulden't run a basic bookmaking or shylocking operation. He and Merlino were the ones running around betting into books and not paying. Borgesi is just a thug who will try collect tax.
Posted By: cheech

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 11:45 AM

theyve been predicting bodies dropping for years now...george a and dave s are dying for something
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 11:50 AM

Originally Posted By: cheech
theyve been predicting bodies dropping for years now...george a and dave s are dying for something

They want something to write about, and they're begging for the "old mob." Ain't gonna happen.
Posted By: moneyman

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 12:00 PM

I doubt that Georgie is taking back whats his or whatever with the Valvo brothers, doesn't work like that in real life- more than likely his brother was taking care of his rackets while he was in jail and now he's back etc..
Posted By: flamingokid123

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 12:41 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie


"Since Georgie's been back he's had the Salvo brothers who are loyal to him grabbing everything back that was his before he went to jail.
David Salvo on the right. He served as a bodyguard for Ligambi in the past.

Attached picture joseph-ligambi-retrial-300x200.jpg
Posted By: Dwalin2011

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:41 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
There's so many high ranking members, not enough administration spots.

It's called all chiefs, no Indians. And that's how every criminal organization, starting with the Roman Empire, fell apart.

When they arrest a mafioso in Italy, they always write in the newspapers "a boss has been arrested", no matter what his real rank in the organization is. The only cases when they don't call them bosses is when the arrested ones are politicians (in these cases they never go beyond saying "alleged mafia associates").
Posted By: jipjones

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 01:43 PM

This will def be very interesting to follow! George Borgessi Boss.. Frankie Narducci Underboss.. Stevie Mazzone.. Cons?? do u think that's da poss Administration?? wd they appease da scarfo guys by making Frankie Underboss?? and Acorse will Joey Merlino still get his Envelopes??
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 02:44 PM

Originally Posted By: jipjones
This will def be very interesting to follow! George Borgessi Boss.. Frankie Narducci Underboss.. Stevie Mazzone.. Cons?? do u think that's da poss Administration?? wd they appease da scarfo guys by making Frankie Underboss?? and Acorse will Joey Merlino still get his Envelopes??

Frank Narducci just got out of jail literally 10 days ago and I still highly doubt Borgesi is boss
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 04:12 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyL
Frank Narducci just got out of jail literally 10 days ago and I still highly doubt Borgesi is boss

Again, I don't know anything about Philly other than the general. information. But the Philly poster whose opinion I respect most (on another board), says it's absolute bullshit. So that's how I'm leaning. Time will tell, though smile.
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: SonnyL
Frank Narducci just got out of jail literally 10 days ago and I still highly doubt Borgesi is boss

Again, I don't know anything about Philly other than the general. information. But the Philly poster whose opinion I respect most (on another board), says it's absolute bullshit. So that's how I'm leaning. Time will tell, though smile.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's bullshit too I don't doubt that he's still the consigliere but definitely not the boss.
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
There's so many high ranking members, not enough administration spots.


In addition there are not enough rackets.... drugs i guess but weed is kinda legalized in philly now, gambling is full blown half mile from s philly, jersey and delaware are gonna have sportsbooks... i mean you always having gambling and loansharking there but its a lot of hands for not alot of $$$ and alot of time in prison....i mean these dudes aint the sharpest just look at niccodemo, who as stated might just put them all back in prison. What about that one dave s report that georgie and uncle joe were on the scene as cops busted up after hours joints a few months ago
Posted By: Southphilly4ever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 04:56 PM

Where is a link or a source to this story? Borgesi isn't allowed to associate with any of the main players he was convicted with so are we to suppose he's using the Salvo brothers who have no weight on the streets using his name all over South Philly? I don't think George would be that stupid to let anyone use his name on the street after the trouble he faced with Bent Finger Lou claiming he did the same. Anthony his brother would be the logical choice to do that for him if anyone. His brother is everywhere around South Philly and also seems to have a crew around him every time I have seen him but I don't think some or any of these guys are muscle, some of them are just over 5 feet tall. George is probably going to remain low key until his parole is up or perhaps his lighting rod federal attention will keep him out of the top spot and he will go low key.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 05:14 PM

If it is bullshit, who do you guys think it actually is? Mazzone? A panel? Dare I say it, Merlino?
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 05:16 PM

Also, for those who know, how big is the Italian population in South Philly? How is the recruiting pool? From what I understand, Scarfo absolutely decimated the family. Do they still make any money? They don't even have any unions.
Posted By: NNY78

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 05:46 PM

[quote=HandsomeStevie]George Borgesi, 50, is said to have taken the big seat, a source told Cosa Nostra News.

I hope Uncle Joe retires to Boca with Joey so I can have a front row seat.... In other Breaking News, the anonymous source for the Borgesi Story tells The National Enquirer that Elvis killed President Kennedy. smile
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: NNY78
I hope Uncle Joe retires to Boca with Joey so I can have a front row seat.

Careful, buddy. Zoo animals are cute from a distance, too lol.
Posted By: NNY78

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: NNY78
I hope Uncle Joe retires to Boca with Joey so I can have a front row seat.

Careful, buddy. Zoo animals are cute from a distance, too lol.


PB,

I figured I could hide our at your place. If they know I'm with you and a civilian that won't touch me. wink
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 05:56 PM

lol lol

Take Ocean Boulevard straight up to Atlantic Avenue, make a left, then a right behind the Marriott, and another right until you see the ocean again. But make sure you bring some beer lol.
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 06:08 PM

Well when they build that Wawa down in Boca put up the s philly flag cause you know it has taken over clearwater as the new philly south

i agree georgie CANNOT be that fkn stupid while on parole
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 06:17 PM

[quote=merlino]Well when they build that Wawa down in Boca put up the s philly flag cause you know it has taken over clearwater as the new philly south

i agree georgie CANNOT be that fkn stupid while on parole [/quote

Don't underestimate the stupidity of a criminal wink
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 06:48 PM

Borgesi the new boss? I doubt it. More likely nothing happening in Philly and the newspaper just need to print something.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Not a chance on earth this is true , he will be a lightening rod nothing more


Is this just baseless opinion or do you know something I don't?
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 07:01 PM

Where do you guys get all this info from to fuel the speculation. Who told you Borgesi was despised on the streets? Was it this forum because people made fun of him? Was it the George Anastasia articles? Why is he despised and who despised him. Does anyone realize that Borgesi Mazzone and Merlino fought for this and are all very close. I just don't get why it's so unbelievable, seems about right to me. The salvo brothers hold no weight? Not true. George doesn't look Italian enough to be boss? You can't be muscle is you're five feet tall? You guys stick to the message boards lol
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 07:41 PM

I found the article on www.cosanostranews.com
It was posted on July 9th. And I just copied the article on here. And while all of us have plenty opinions, nobody on here can say for a fact if its true or.not. everything in the article seems legit to me. All the past wire taps George has been saying that Ligambi was just keeping the seat warm. And 15 years ago he was made consig. So to hear that he is making a move to be boss sounds about right to me. Like I said earlier, Mazzone and Chang can make the same amount money without so much heat on them and all the headaches. Nobody wants the top spot these days.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: jipjones
This will def be very interesting to follow! George Borgessi Boss.. Frankie Narducci Underboss.. Stevie Mazzone.. Cons?? do u think that's da poss Administration?? wd they appease da scarfo guys by making Frankie Underboss?? and Acorse will Joey Merlino still get his Envelopes??


Surely you mean Phil Narducci, not Frank? Phil is the power in the family.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 07:52 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
I found the article on www.cosanostranews.com
It was posted on July 9th. And I just copied the article on here. And while all of us have plenty opinions, nobody on here can say for a fact if its true or.not. everything in the article seems legit to me. All the past wire taps George has been saying that Ligambi was just keeping the seat warm. And 15 years ago he was made consig. So to hear that he is making a move to be boss sounds about right to me. Like I said earlier, Mazzone and Chang can make the same amount money without so much heat on them and all the headaches. Nobody wants the top spot these days.


Mazzone has been the top guy since 2011 so now he has to kick up obviously he won't be making the same amount.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:02 PM

George Borgesi, 50, is trying to take the big seat, a source told Cosa Nostra News, but he is facing pressure from allies of Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino.

Borgesi ain't no Joe Ligambi would be an understatement; the two (Uncle Joe really is Borgesi's uncle) don't like each other. Skinny Joey doesn't like Borgesi, either.

But Georgie Boy has nevertheless been trying to assert himself -- and one person telling him to stop is Skinny Joey, through his viceroys on the street: Stevie Mazzone and John "Johnny Chang" Ciancaglini, both of whom are from the tough South Philadelphia faction.

Borgesi, Merlino, Mazzone and Ciancaglini were all convicted of racketeering in 2001. They all recently got out, as well, Borgesi last because of the Ligambi trials.

Merlino, 51, has been living in Florida since his release from prison three years ago and insists he has no desire to return to South Philadelphia.

Mazzone and Ciancaglini, are back in the old neighborhood. Law enforcement and underworld sources allege Ciancaglini controls mob gambling and loan-sharking in Delaware County, an area where Borgesi once held sway.

Apparently, Borgesi has been acting like the boss, and he may well be a boss -- but not anywhere near Delaware County. In fact, Borgesi was told in no uncertain terms to stay out of Delaware County.



What sources can an internet blogging site have in Philly? Sounds like there looking for headlines, Borgesi is on parole yet he's trying to assert himself as boss, without the help of the Merlino faction or the old Scarfo guys? hahaha biggest piece of shit article I've read...
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:05 PM

I highly doubt mazzone kicked up to Ligambi. And steve and George have been tight since they were kids. I am sure if Stevie steps down as acting boss for George then they will have something worked out. Do any of you remember everything Borgesi said on the wiretaps??? Uncle Joe was keeping the seat warm for him, mazzone and merlino and they fought for the family and its THERE family. Them 3 are all on the same page and with Merlino relaxing in Florida, if he's still official boss, he don't care who runs day to day as long as he gets his, and Mazzone and Borgesi will both take care of him. And still I am not saying the story is 100% definitely true, I am saying it makes sense to me.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:15 PM

Lol @ anyone telling anyone to stay out of Delco. Just does not sound believable. Also pretty sure George and Joey quite close
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:16 PM

Everybody knows Borgesi thinks he's a tough guy and thinks he's owed something. He's gonna end up back in jail soon.enough especially after his parole officer reads this article and sees that Georgie is out there starting all types of shit with everyone. Its not even worth it anymore.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:17 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
I highly doubt mazzone kicked up to Ligambi. And steve and George have been tight since they were kids. I am sure if Stevie steps down as acting boss for George then they will have something worked out. Do any of you remember everything Borgesi said on the wiretaps??? Uncle Joe was keeping the seat warm for him, mazzone and merlino and they fought for the family and its THERE family. Them 3 are all on the same page and with Merlino relaxing in Florida, if he's still official boss, he don't care who runs day to day as long as he gets his, and Mazzone and Borgesi will both take care of him. And still I am not saying the story is 100% definitely true, I am saying it makes sense to me.


You actually think this article is true? wow.

You talk about Merlino not being dumb, yet he'd hand over the day to day to an incapable Borgesi, a guy on parole...over a capable guy like Mazzone..ok then.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Everybody knows Borgesi thinks he's a tough guy and thinks he's owed something. He's gonna end up back in jail soon.enough especially after his parole officer reads this article and sees that Georgie is out there starting all types of shit with everyone. Its not even worth it anymore.


Do you know who operates that BLOGGING site, because that's what it is. They have no sources, Don't be naive. There looking for headlines.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:18 PM

Now the guy revised the article. So honestly nobody will know what's the truth until they get some guys on a wire running there mouths.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:20 PM

Handsome Stevie just to clarify my comments above are not directed towards you. You are the best.thing to happen to this forum since DD and PB. I just am amazed at the B.S. some people post in regards to this when they are obviously clueless
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Now the guy revised the article. So honestly nobody will know what's the truth until they get some guys on a wire running there mouths.


Mazzone's running the show, a guy on parole can't run nothing, especially someone as dumb as borgesi.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:23 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Everybody knows Borgesi thinks he's a tough guy and thinks he's owed something. He's gonna end up back in jail soon.enough especially after his parole officer reads this article and sees that Georgie is out there starting all types of shit with everyone. Its not even worth it anymore.


Do you know who operates that BLOGGING site, because that's what it is. They have no sources, Don't be naive. There looking for headlines.


Like I have said twice before, I never said it was true or that I believe it. Just saying I could see it happening. Never know what's happening for sure especially in Philly until you hear top guys on the wire.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Everybody knows Borgesi thinks he's a tough guy and thinks he's owed something. He's gonna end up back in jail soon.enough especially after his parole officer reads this article and sees that Georgie is out there starting all types of shit with everyone. Its not even worth it anymore.


Do you know who operates that BLOGGING site, because that's what it is. They have no sources, Don't be naive. There looking for headlines.


Like I have said twice before, I never said it was true or that I believe it. Just saying I could see it happening. Never know what's happening for sure especially in Philly until you hear top guys on the wire.


Mafiosi on parole can't take the top spot, if it's true he'll be back in jail within the month. You said it makes sense to you..really? A guy on parole trying to be boss? No.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:27 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Handsome Stevie just to clarify my comments above are not directed towards you. You are the best.thing to happen to this forum since DD and PB. I just am amazed at the B.S. some people post in regards to this when they are obviously clueless


Vegas your my boy I didn't think you directed anything towards me. Most things people say on here are not facts at all. People are like arguing with me like I'm the asshole who wrote the article lol
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:29 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Handsome Stevie just to clarify my comments above are not directed towards you. You are the best.thing to happen to this forum since DD and PB. I just am amazed at the B.S. some people post in regards to this when they are obviously clueless


Vegas your my boy I didn't think you directed anything towards me. Most things people say on here are not facts at all. People are like arguing with me like I'm the asshole who wrote the article lol


That's strictly not true, but the fact it makes sense to you in fairy land says it all.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:31 PM

Tommy it makes plenty sense. Can we really sit here and say we have never seen someone on parole trying to be boss? Lol
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:33 PM

I'm not gonna.sit.here and debate over and over.with you.Its Friday night and over here in the US of A we gets it in on Friday night! So I'm done peter panning with you today lol
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:39 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
I'm not gonna.sit.here and debate over and over.with you.Its Friday night and over here in the US of A we gets it in on Friday night! So I'm done peter panning with you today lol


lol You've clearly never been to England Stevie, we drink like men over here wink But seeing as I'm sick as a dog I'm stuck in on the internet being a dick lol

You're a good poster, every mobster who comes out of prison waits til there parole to pass before jumping back in pretty much, it's common knowledge, just what I've picked up researching over last few years.

Have a good one.

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:46 PM

Come on, boys. You're both quality posters. Relax smile .
Posted By: jipjones

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:54 PM

Yes Thank U for clarify that I kno my shit just confused da Narducci Brothers Acorse I meant the one whos been out for a while and on Speculation as a key player confused the names my bad... That Being said No Family is as entertaing as Philly!! And some of u guys say that there not a lot of Rackets out there and shit im sure there is! I Might be shooting my mouth off Joey down in Florida cd make a solid Coke connect down there weather its likely or not.. u kno im sure there's Money to be made out there if they want it! Since George,Merlino,Mazzone and Narducci r Standup guys and NY sees that mayb Ny cuts Philly in on some Piece of action or Philly gets a cut if Ny does shit in Philly!! THEY JUST NEED A good LEADER!!!!!!! So forgive me if I rant shooting off my mouth just floating ideas!
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 08:55 PM

The last time I read the statistics for Europe, Czech Republic were the #1 drinkers of alcohol, followed by Ireland at #2. All the Eastern European countries traditionally rank very high. Germany, too, with Oktoberfest. The French are more into wine, brandy, rum and shit. Same with the Italians. I wouldn't say the Spanish are very high.

I have had first hand experience of seeing Eastern Europeans drinking alcohol and they put the Irish and the Brits to shame.

I always thought that the Irish had the highest tolerance for alcohol but the Polaks and Russkis put away 100% proof vodka like it's water. LOL
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 09:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
The last time I read the statistics for Europe, Czech Republic were the #1 drinkers of alcohol, followed by Ireland at #2. All the Eastern European countries traditionally rank very high. Germany, too, with Oktoberfest. The French are more into wine, brandy, rum and shit. Same with the Italians. I wouldn't say the Spanish are very high.

I have had first hand experience of seeing Eastern Europeans drinking alcohol and they put the Irish and the Brits to shame.

I always thought that the Irish had the highest tolerance for alcohol but the Polaks and Russkis put away 100% proof vodka like it's water. LOL


haha I know a lot of Polish people (England is full of them) they drink vodka like it's nothing but struggle to drink pints of beer even though it's nowhere near as strong lol it's weird, they were just raised on spirits.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: jipjones
Yes Thank U for clarify that I kno my shit just confused da Narducci Brothers Acorse I meant the one whos been out for a while and on Speculation as a key player confused the names my bad... That Being said No Family is as entertaing as Philly!! And some of u guys say that there not a lot of Rackets out there and shit im sure there is! I Might be shooting my mouth off Joey down in Florida cd make a solid Coke connect down there weather its likely or not.. u kno im sure there's Money to be made out there if they want it! Since George,Merlino,Mazzone and Narducci r Standup guys and NY sees that mayb Ny cuts Philly in on some Piece of action or Philly gets a cut if Ny does shit in Philly!! THEY JUST NEED A good LEADER!!!!!!! So forgive me if I rant shooting off my mouth just floating ideas!


There really isn't, Philly crew is mainly gambling and loansharking.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
haha I know a lot of Polish people (England is full of them) they drink vodka like it's nothing but struggle to drink pints of beer even though it's nowhere near as strong lol it's weird, they were just raised on spirits.

Years ago there was a Ukrainian neighborhood up in South Yonkers. That's where the actor Jon Voight grew up.

Anyway, I used to drink at a couple of the bars up there a long time ago. And no one, but no one, can put it ways like those Ukes and Slovaks.

And they're tough motherfuckers, too. They can look dead drunk and still fight like it's the UFC. No bullshit.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:05 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
haha I know a lot of Polish people (England is full of them) they drink vodka like it's nothing but struggle to drink pints of beer even though it's nowhere near as strong lol it's weird, they were just raised on spirits.

Years ago there was a Ukrainian neighborhood up in South Yonkers. That's where the actor Jon Voight grew up.

Anyway, I used to drink at a couple of the bars up there a long time ago. And no one, but no one, can put it ways like those Ukes and Slovaks.

And they're tough motherfuckers, too. They can look dead drunk and still fight like it's the UFC. No bullshit.


lol I have no idea who John Vought is but yeah I here you there animals on the drink, I used to drink with a mix of Polish and Latvians who worked at a warehouse I was supervising at and go to there house parties, they all live in poor areas that are 90% black so they keep there heads down but there not to be messed with in a fist fight. most of them are tight bastards and will rather get a litre bottle of vodka and drink it in they're house then go to the pub, can't blame them though, when you're drinking triple vodkas in town centre in Nottingham it's £4-6 no joke. £3.50 for a good pint of beer over here in town centre, what's the prices like in the Bronx, beer wise?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:06 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
I have no idea who John Vought is

He's Angelina Jolie's father, and a wonderful actor himself smile.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
what's the prices like in the Bronx, beer wise?

You mean in a pub?

A bottle of American beer is about $3.00 American, give or take. An import Like Heineken is closer to $5.00 a bottle. A pint on tap is about $2.00 during most happy hours.

Of course that's in the Bronx and the other outer boroughs. Manhattan prices are MUCH higher.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:20 PM

Depends where in Manhattan. You can find excellent deals around Alphabet City if you know where to look. That said, in general, Manhattan is very expensive.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/11/14 10:34 PM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
Depends where in Manhattan. You can find excellent deals around Alphabet City if you know where to look. That said, in general, Manhattan is very expensive.

Those places are getting fewer and farther between. Right up until about ten years ago, places like Vazac's Horseshoe Bar were the norm on the Lower East Side, not the exception.

One of my buildings is on West 8th Street, just off MacDougal. Try drinking in THAT neighborhood today on a budget. Not gonna happen. It's a shame.
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Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 02:19 AM

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Revised: Does It Matter Who's Boss in Philly?

George Borgesi, 50, is trying to take the big seat, a source told Cosa Nostra News, but he is facing pressure from allies of Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino.

Borgesi ain't no Joe Ligambi would be an understatement; the two (Uncle Joe really is Borgesi's uncle) don't like each other. Skinny Joey doesn't like Borgesi, either.

And as the troubled, fracture Philly mob prepares to evolve (likely not for the better), other ethnic crime groups, including one considered a threat to national security, are vying for power.

"Georgie Boy" has nevertheless been trying to assert himself -- and one person telling him to stop is Skinny Joey, through his viceroys on the street: Stevie Mazzone and John "Johnny Chang" Ciancaglini, both of whom are from the tough South Philadelphia faction.

Borgesi, Merlino, Mazzone and Ciancaglini were all convicted of racketeering in 2001. They all recently got out, as well, Borgesi last because of the Ligambi trials.

Merlino, 51, has been living in Florida since his release from prison three years ago and insists he has no desire to return to South Philadelphia.

Mazzone and Ciancaglini, are back in the old neighborhood. Law enforcement and underworld sources allege Ciancaglini controls mob gambling and loan-sharking in Delaware County, an area where Borgesi once held sway.

Apparently, Borgesi has been acting like the boss, and he may well be a boss --but not anywhere near Delaware County. In fact, Borgesi was told in no uncertain terms to stay out of Delaware County.

In the Delaware area, the Mafia once influenced at least four labor unions and ran the city’s largest illegal gambling operations; it also was the "bank" for smaller gambling syndicates from the black, Greek and Irish communities and for numerous gambling operators throughout the area, but that was during the golden years of the Angelo Bruno era. As profitable as the areas is for the mob, it's certainly not worth as much as it once was.

It seems a question worth asking is how much of a Mafia is there in Philly these days anyway, if they're fighting over a single piece of turf. It is difficult to resist comparing what the Philly mob has today versus in those years when Angelo Bruno was boss.

A July 2001 story from Philadelphia City Paper titled "Not For Nuthin'" noted that Merlino's Mafia is nowhere near what it had been thirty years ago:

Consider that when Philadelphia mob boss Angelo Bruno was gunned down in 1980, his criminal empire was vast. [Aside from operations in the Delaware Valley, the Bruno family had much more going on.] Two outlaw motorcycle gangs were subservient to the Mafia. The Philadelphia mob had pieces of restaurants, casinos, banks and companies in New England; Las Vegas; Florida; the Poconos; the Philly suburbs of Pennsylvania, New Jersey and northern Delaware; Newark; New York; and overseas, in London and in the Caribbean.

Angelo Bruno didn’t allow his men to deal drugs, but his connections to the Gambino crime family and the Sicilian Mafia enabled him to "tax" millions of dollars worth of the profits from narcotics moved by the Sicilian mob and its network of American distributors. In the local underworld, rival gangs and criminals sought out Bruno or his men as mediators, business partners and protectors. South Philadelphia was one of the safest areas in the city — there were no street crimes to speak of because petty criminals feared the wise guys who ran their neighborhoods.

And Angelo Bruno was friends with mob bosses across the country, allowing him to work with other crime families when it suited him. Angelo Bruno had a piece of everything —illegal or legitimate. Through his union connections, Bruno and his mob had access to politicians and even some judges. And Bruno kept a low profile.

Merlino’s so-called Mafia allegedly extorted some small-time crooks, dealt in stolen goods, ran a moderately sized gambling syndicate and some video poker machines and may have been involved in two or three mid-level cocaine deals in Boston. Yet the U.S. government seemed to spare no expense in surveilling, wiretapping and infiltrating the Philadelphia Mafia. Their argument was that the mob in Philly may have been weak, but they had to knock it out completely. But does the trial of these reputed organized crime figures mean organized crime has come to a halt? ...Does organized crime have much to do with Italian-Americans from the narrow streets of South Philadelphia anymore?"

According to FBI and DEA reports international Dominican drug syndicates were operating in the area back in 2001, "so powerful they represent a threat to national security." Dominican drug money from Philly was used to influence two presidential elections in the Dominican Republic, these reports warned, adding that alleged Dominican drug traffickers and money launderers contributed money to the Democratic Party and to presidential candidates here in the U.S.

In the mid-1990s, the FBI discovered that an international company in Bucks County was actually a front for the Russian Mafia. In 2001, law enforcement sources claimed Russian and Eastern European underworld gangs were flourishing in the Delaware Valley.

Canalichio was picked up on tape complaining about a South Philadelphia lowlife who was showing up at an after-hours club that Canalichio and mobster Marty Angelina owned.

Canalichio called the guy “a fuckin’ junkie,” which may have been true. But it says a lot about the character and mentality of local mobsters when a guy like Canalichio, who has two prior convictions for dealing cocaine, has the balls to complain about a junkie.

Confidential informants told the FBI that the Russian Mafia had purchased dozens of million-dollar homes in Bucks County and in central New Jersey for use as safe houses in case some of their corrupt politicos back on Russia needed to flee in a hurry.

From South Philadelphia to South Jersey Chinese, Korean and Vietnamese street gangs were running wild.

African-American crime families have flourished in Philadelphia for generations, largely ignored by the police and the media. These groups got their start running numbers, then amassed enough money to finance major drug deals.

"While the trial of Merlino and his associates is almost over, it appears that organized crime in Philadelphia, is not," City Paper reported back then.

And Ligambi can retire, but he'll still be a target. Why? Thank Anthony Nicodemo, the wheelman involved in what is considered to be one of the dumbest mob hits ever committed; it was done in broad daylight no less.

The City Paper, earlier this year, also noted the case of Damion Canalichio, who was convicted of racketeering conspiracy in the first Ligambi trial. which ended last February...

Canalichio was picked up on tape complaining about a South Philadelphia lowlife who was showing up at an after-hours club that Canalichio and mobster Marty Angelina owned.

Canalichio called the guy “a fuckin’ junkie,” which may have been true. But it says a lot about the character and mentality of local mobsters when a guy like Canalichio, who has two prior convictions for dealing cocaine, has the balls to complain about a junkie.

Nicodemo and Canalichio, both in their 40s, are the next generation of the South Philadelphia mob. In many ways they epitomize what has happened to a once secret and supposedly honorable society.

In another time and place, legendary Philadelphia mob boss Angelo Bruno could have been the CEO of a company, the president of a bank, a titan of industry. But as an Italian immigrant, certain doors were closed to him. He chose organized crime as a way out and rose to the top of his field. That’s not to justify or excuse what he did, but merely to offer an explanation. Bruno’s murder in March 1980 sent the Philadelphia mob into a tailspin from which it has never recovered. Society was changing. So was life in the Italian-American community. And so was the mob.

Omerta, the code of silence, is a thing of the past. Starting with Nick Caramandi and Tommy DelGiorno in the late 1980s through mob boss Ralph Natale and burly mob capo Ron Previte at the turn of the century, the Philadelphia crime family has had more members per capita who have become cooperating witnesses than any other Cosa Nostra family in America.

Add to the mix sophisticated investigative techniques, ever-present electronic surveillance and a multi-pronged RICO law — that allows the feds to prosecute members for their roles in a criminal enterprise rather than for their participation in individual crimes — and you have an idea how the Justice Department has taken the family apart. In many ways, the local mob has been one of the most dysfunctional Mafia families in America.

Call them the Simpsons of the underworld.

So, is it any wonder that Ligambi, who has spent more than 12 years of his adult life behind bars, has had enough? He did 10 years for the murder of Frank “Frankie Flowers” D’Alfonso before the conviction was overturned in 1997. After his indictment in May 2011 on racketeering-conspiracy, gambling and loan-sharking charges, Ligambi was held without bail for more than two years while awaiting trial.

While portrayed in some circles as a thuggish hit man who happened to be in the right place at the right time when he became boss 14 years ago, reality suggests otherwise. Ligambi had a relatively peaceful and, one would assume, lucrative run. He may be smart enough now to just walk away...

As for the situation now, it seems volatile, somewhat.

Borgesi "pretty much put himself in that position when his uncle said he was retiring and going to Florida. Everybody is just waiting for the shoe to drop and see what's left."

"Nobody knows who to trust or who will step up when the dust clears. Scarfo Senior's guys are out but staying under the radar. It's gonna be interesting who steps to the plate."

In January 26, 2014, after 13 years in prison, Borgesi, the Philadelphia mob's former consigliere, walked away from the James A. Byrne federal courthouse holding hands with a woman he married while behind bars.

A jury had acquitted "Georgie Boy" on one count of racketeering conspiracy and said it was hopelessly deadlocked on three of four counts facing his uncle and codefendant, Ligambi. The jury cleared Ligambi of one witness-intimidation count and he was later let go as well when prosecutors decided not to put the boss of the Philly mob on trial for a third time.

Ligambi wasted no time in announcing his plans to retire from the mob, as we noted, in order to "summer in Longport and winter in Florida."

Among whatever other rivalries within the Philly mob family, the basic stage includes two generations historically at odds with each other, the old Scarfo gang and the Merlino young turks.

The ability to hold the two groups together was said to be largely due to the finesse of "Uncle Joe," who is credited for keeping the peace.

But with or without him, shifts in power are inevitable as the family's composition changes as some members return to the street, and others head off to prison.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 02:20 AM

He edited the article and that's what it says now. Lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
He edited the article and that's what it says now. Lol

Now he's "trying to take the big seat." lol lol lol lol

What a fucking hack!
Posted By: stevietro

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 04:46 AM

No Pizzaboy but there is a Scotland in Connecticut and South Dakota wink
Posted By: cheech

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 09:23 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
He edited the article and that's what it says now. Lol

Now he's "trying to take the big seat." lol lol lol lol

What a fucking hack!




You and I both love to read, right? How bad is this article written. Fucking hack is the best way to describe that poorly written piece. And that's being kind
Posted By: DoctorTwink

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: cheech
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
He edited the article and that's what it says now. Lol

Now he's "trying to take the big seat." lol lol lol lol

What a fucking hack!




You and I both love to read, right? How bad is this article written. Fucking hack is the best way to describe that poorly written piece. And that's being kind


Indeed. Who was the person who wrote it? I want to know so I can avoid reading anything they write or post online.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 07:12 PM

Wow I was sick for a week,what did I miss.Georgie is the boss,man this is going to get interesting.The rumors are flying as I could see.You got ''Chickie''Ciancaglini and Faffy getting out soon.If they would do it right and organize you got a ton of expiernce all out on the street.You got muscle with the younger guys,but something tells me it won't be smooth.Where's the old ''Philadelphia Journal''I used to love that paper.That was the Philly edition of the NY Post.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 07:24 PM

Now as I have read more posts I see that's not necessarily the case.It did seem kind of odd since he has kept such a low profile since getting out.I guess now that the trials are over in Philly for now everyone is getting restless on here.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 07:31 PM

You're missing Philly, 22. I can tell wink.

I get the same way about New York when I'm down there too long smile.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 08:58 PM

Yeah I hear you PB,I was following your posts on here,you got NY covered,there's not too much there that goes on that you don't know about.I think these guys[posters] are starting to listen when you talk.
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 09:07 PM

I think its an okay article. He does point out (intentionally or not) the absurdity of the resources the feds expend to the "mafia" in philly. They are nowhere near the most powerful group operating in that area but they get the most attention from the feds. What are they fighting for? Jail cells and coffins? Nope, just jail cells.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 09:08 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
Yeah I hear you PB,I was following your posts on here,you got NY covered,there's not too much there that goes on that you don't know about.I think these guys[posters] are starting to listen when you talk.

Thanks, buddy. But that's up to them. I post what I believe to be true. Nothing more, nothing less. And I rarely speculate. That's why you rarely see me in threads about other cities. What the fuck do I know about Philly or Chicago? lol
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 10:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
I think its an okay article. He does point out (intentionally or not) the absurdity of the resources the feds expend to the "mafia" in philly. They are nowhere near the most powerful group operating in that area but they get the most attention from the feds. What are they fighting for? Jail cells and coffins? Nope, just jail cells.


Like any mob family once a good scam/rackets gets going w steady $ and they can expand it there's bound to be problems. So the article is kinda dumb if it anything it's historic but I"m sure the writer just wanted to generate a lot of hits using that title it's all people care about nowadays making an extra buck whether it's true or not..
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/12/14 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Yankees1951


Like any mob family once a good scam/rackets gets going w steady $ and they can expand it there's bound to be problems. So the article is kinda dumb if it anything it's historic but I"m sure the writer just wanted to generate a lot of hits using that title it's all people care about nowadays making an extra buck whether it's true or not..


So you think the rackets are getting going?
Posted By: EVL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/13/14 12:33 AM

I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/13/14 12:52 AM

Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.


I never said you made anything up. If you read my post I stated my opinion and said whether it's true or not leaving it up to interruption or perhaps to continue the discussion sir.
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/13/14 01:36 AM

I think its a decently written article with good info. It is nice to see someone besides George writing stuff.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/13/14 06:08 AM

Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.


Is The Arm your source?
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/13/14 06:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.


Is The Arm your source?


I'll make sure to comment on your blog. " I talk to Mob Guys on the internet you mean " I highly doubt your in the street or meetings these guys discussing lcn over sausage n peppers lol lol or GA's favorite Broccoli Rabe. I like GA don't get me wrong but I always laugh when he starts going into detail about a huge spread n all the food shit in his books :Lol:
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 12:43 AM

Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.

Sorry but I think your Philly sources are full of shit.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 01:21 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
There's so many high ranking members, not enough administration spots.

It's called all chiefs, no Indians. And that's how every criminal organization, starting with the Roman Empire, fell apart.


THIS regards Philly.



And Im not in nor from Philly. But Borgeasi the top spot? To quote Jnr Soprano
"Not in this lifetime"

But thats just my opinion.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 07:14 AM

Borgesi will probably be dead in 10 years, he looks terrible for a 50 year old. Saw a picture of him when he was released, looks like an old Fat Tony Salerno.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 09:19 AM

Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.


That's good enough for you? Is that why you changed your story when everyone started pointing out how it was pure bullshit?

Changing it from NEW BOSS IN PHILLY to GEORGE IS TRYING TO TAKE THE SPOT, is a hell of a lot different.

Sounds like it wasn't good enough for you, and you changed your tune.

Otherwise, I like a lot of your articles...but that was just bad and irresponsible reporting to declare him official boss cuz 3 jerkoffs told you so.
Posted By: IKnowNothing

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 01:29 PM

Yinz all think highly of your own opinions huh? Just my OPINION.
Posted By: mike68

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 01:33 PM

Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.


All due respect to your work, people just aren't going to give credence to info provided by a blogger. If GA comes out with an article on this or his buddy Schratweiser comes out with one of his silly news reports on this, then people will find it more believable. That's just the way it is.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: mike68
Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.


All due respect to your work, people just aren't going to give credence to info provided by a blogger. If GA comes out with an article on this or his buddy Schratweiser comes out with one of his silly news reports on this, then people will find it more believable. That's just the way it is.


But they wouldn't report this, and they didnt...because it was not credible, which is why he retracted the story and changed his tune entirely.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.

I don't even follow Philly, and I usually preclude anything that I post about them by saying as much. But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that you're the same guy who "broke" the story last year that Frank Cali was the new boss of the Gambinos. Except no one said anything to him or Dom lol.

When it turned out to be utter speculation (eh, let's be honest, it was bullshit), you quickly followed up with a headline that stated that "Frank Cali Turns Down Boss Position," or some similar crap, because you weren't a big enough man to admit that you just got it wrong.

And again, for all I know about Philly, Borgesi is the second coming of Frank Costello. But you got it wrong about Cali last year, and you never did own up to it.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
you're the same guy who "broke" the story last year that Frank Cali was the new boss of the Gambinos.


And that, ends the story.

Thread closed.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 09:37 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.

I don't even follow Philly, and I usually preclude anything that I post about them by saying as much. But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that you're the same guy who "broke" the story last year that Frank Cali was the new boss of the Gambinos. Except no one said anything to him or Dom lol.

When it turned out to be utter speculation (eh, let's be honest, it was bullshit), you quickly followed up with a headline that stated that "Frank Cali Turns Down Boss Position," or some similar crap, because you weren't a big enough man to admit that you just got it wrong.

And again, for all I know about Philly, Borgesi is the second coming of Frank Costello. But you got it wrong about Cali last year, and you never did own up to it.


He was completely wrong on ol Corky boy. That is why he had to edit the article.

You cant just go from, hes the new boss! to...he is trying to push for boss! and expect people to allow u any credibility.

As far as Cali...he is just a really powerful capo?

could be underboss I guess, but I have no idea.

From what I have read, guy holds a ton of sway though.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 09:42 PM

FC is an important guy. But he ain't the boss.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 09:45 PM

Still Cefalu?

I havent seen any recent photos of the guy
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/14/14 09:46 PM



Nevermind forgot about this take down lol
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 12:08 AM

Ed Scarpo needs to watch the movie "Shattered Glass" it's the story of his life.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 07:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.

I don't even follow Philly, and I usually preclude anything that I post about them by saying as much. But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that you're the same guy who "broke" the story last year that Frank Cali was the new boss of the Gambinos. Except no one said anything to him or Dom lol.

When it turned out to be utter speculation (eh, let's be honest, it was bullshit), you quickly followed up with a headline that stated that "Frank Cali Turns Down Boss Position," or some similar crap, because you weren't a big enough man to admit that you just got it wrong.

And again, for all I know about Philly, Borgesi is the second coming of Frank Costello. But you got it wrong about Cali last year, and you never did own up to it.


He was completely wrong on ol Corky boy. That is why he had to edit the article.

You cant just go from, hes the new boss! to...he is trying to push for boss! and expect people to allow u any credibility.

As far as Cali...he is just a really powerful capo?

could be underboss I guess, but I have no idea.

From what I have read, guy holds a ton of sway though.


Cali was definitely made UB after Cefalu took over, Capeci doesn't get it wrong often.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 07:34 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: EVL
I operate the blog Cosa Nostra News. I wrote the Borgesi story...I have three separate sources in Philly. On the street. I talk to mob guys in New York too. I don't care what ya say -- but don't say I make stuff up. At least go on my blog and make that comment and see if anyone responds to you and how. I write the news; I don't invent it. My three sources all agree with what's in my article. When the sources in Philly separately tell me I got it right that's good enough for me.

I don't even follow Philly, and I usually preclude anything that I post about them by saying as much. But I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that you're the same guy who "broke" the story last year that Frank Cali was the new boss of the Gambinos. Except no one said anything to him or Dom lol.

When it turned out to be utter speculation (eh, let's be honest, it was bullshit), you quickly followed up with a headline that stated that "Frank Cali Turns Down Boss Position," or some similar crap, because you weren't a big enough man to admit that you just got it wrong.

And again, for all I know about Philly, Borgesi is the second coming of Frank Costello. But you got it wrong about Cali last year, and you never did own up to it.


He was completely wrong on ol Corky boy. That is why he had to edit the article.

You cant just go from, hes the new boss! to...he is trying to push for boss! and expect people to allow u any credibility.

As far as Cali...he is just a really powerful capo?

could be underboss I guess, but I have no idea.

From what I have read, guy holds a ton of sway though.


Cali was definitely made UB after Cefalu took over, Capeci doesn't get it wrong often.


Yeah I thought I had read he made UB, but didnt want to say for sure, which is why I said he was at the very least, a powerful capo. But yeah that rings a bell Capeci reporting he was UB
Posted By: stevietro

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 08:02 AM

For all intents and purposes it sounds like Cali is the power in the Gambino family whether or not he's the actual boss
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 08:32 AM

Originally Posted By: stevietro
For all intents and purposes it sounds like Cali is the power in the Gambino family whether or not he's the actual boss


Him and Dom are definitely the most powerful guys on the street, Marino is home next month, he's very powerful.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 08:34 AM

In all fairness to EVL aka ed scarpo(guy who runs cosa nostra news), i believe it was muarry weiss who wrote those two piece of shit articles of frank cali....so unless theyre the same person i dont think evl wrote those articles.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 10:06 AM

Originally Posted By: stevietro
For all intents and purposes it sounds like Cali is the power in the Gambino family whether or not he's the actual boss

That's not the point. Like I said, he's a very powerful guy, and that crew definitely has the reins in that family right now. But he's not the boss, and reporting that he "turned down the job" was lousy reporting because it's absolute bullshit.

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
In all fairness to EVL aka ed scarpo(guy who runs cosa nostra news), i believe it was muarry weiss who wrote those two piece of shit articles of frank cali....so unless theyre the same person i dont think evl wrote those articles.


Okay, he didn't "break" the story. I stand corrected. But he DEFINITELY posted it right to his blog and ran with it. And he never printed a retraction when it turned out to be untrue.

I was just using his past reporting as a baseline for his credentials about this Borgesi stuff. I post all day long that I don't know, or give a fuck, about a dozen Guidos working on their tans in Margate. But I like to think I know a thing or two about the New York families.

Posted By: stevietro

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 10:28 AM

I wasn't defending the articles from last year which I thought were bullshit I was merely stating that it seems from reading about Cali and hearing other people's opinions who are more in the know than me on forums such as these that he is the true power in the Gambino crime family.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 10:48 AM

Originally Posted By: stevietro
I wasn't defending the articles from last year which I thought were bullshit I was merely stating that it seems from reading about Cali and hearing other people's opinions who are more in the know than me on forums such as these that he is the true power in the Gambino crime family.

And again, Frank's a very powerful guy. But Cefalu is no one's puppet. There's no shadow or "true power" behind him. Take that however you want, but that's my main point, and I'm not wrong about it wink.

And I know that you're new here. So first of all, welcome to the board. But in regards to Frank, a lot of posters have built him into this mythical figure, just like they do with Barney. He's smart. He's powerful. But he's just a man.

I'm just pointing this out because people tend to make him and Barney out to be almost Illuminati-like. And they're just guys, who happen to work the street for a living.

And again, welcome to the board smile.
Posted By: stevietro

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 10:52 AM

Thanks for the reply and welcoming me to the group. I hear what your saying about both Bellomo and Cali, I'll admit that I have had a tendency in the past to see them as perhaps more than they actually are. Domwoods74 told me the other day that if anything Bellomo has actually took a step back from crime family affairs since the death of his wife. I'm enjoying the group so far great place to find out about current LCN information. Cheers
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: stevietro
I wasn't defending the articles from last year which I thought were bullshit I was merely stating that it seems from reading about Cali and hearing other people's opinions who are more in the know than me on forums such as these that he is the true power in the Gambino crime family.

And again, Frank's a very powerful guy. But Cefalu is no one's puppet. There's no shadow or "true power" behind him. Take that however you want, but that's my main point, and I'm not wrong about it wink.

And I know that you're new here. So first of all, welcome to the board. But in regards to Frank, a lot of posters have built him into this mythical figure, just like they do with Barney. He's smart. He's powerful. But he's just a man.

I'm just pointing this out because people tend to make him and Barney out to be almost Illuminati-like. And they're just guys, who happen to work the street for a living.

And again, welcome to the board smile.


George Borgesi only has about another year left before he transforms into a full grown lawn gnome that's when the problems are really going to start...
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 10:58 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: stevietro
I wasn't defending the articles from last year which I thought were bullshit I was merely stating that it seems from reading about Cali and hearing other people's opinions who are more in the know than me on forums such as these that he is the true power in the Gambino crime family.

And again, Frank's a very powerful guy. But Cefalu is no one's puppet. There's no shadow or "true power" behind him. Take that however you want, but that's my main point, and I'm not wrong about it wink.

And I know that you're new here. So first of all, welcome to the board. But in regards to Frank, a lot of posters have built him into this mythical figure, just like they do with Barney. He's smart. He's powerful. But he's just a man.

I'm just pointing this out because people tend to make him and Barney out to be almost Illuminati-like. And they're just guys, who happen to work the street for a living.

And again, welcome to the board smile.


Put Barney and Cali in a room and see who walks out...

I am taking Barney 10 times out of 10 despite the age difference.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 11:01 AM

Originally Posted By: stevietro
Thanks for the reply and welcoming me to the group. I hear what your saying about both Bellomo and Cali, I'll admit that I have had a tendency in the past to see them as perhaps more than they actually are. Domwoods74 told me the other day that if anything Bellomo has actually took a step back from crime family affairs since the death of his wife. I'm enjoying the group so far great place to find out about current LCN information. Cheers

Domwoods74 is a good friend of mine. But do me a favor and ask him where he got that from. He'll tell you that it came from me wink smile .

But back on topic. Here's the blog post from last year. And just for shits and giggles, scroll down to the part where he claims that Cefalu is 76. He was only 66 at the time, it was pointed out to the author, and he STILL refused to change it. Now if he won't change a silly little thing like that, how credible can he be?

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2013/06/gambinos-name-cali-boss-as-cefalu-steps.html

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 11:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Put Barney and Cali in a room and see who walks out...

I am taking Barney 10 times out of 10 despite the age difference.

If you want the truth, neither one of them are "fighters." But Barney's a little lankier and has the reach lol.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 11:18 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Put Barney and Cali in a room and see who walks out...

I am taking Barney 10 times out of 10 despite the age difference.

If you want the truth, neither one of them are "fighters." But Barney's a little lankier and has the reach lol.


Just hearing stories of some of the brutality people suffered at his hands is why I say that.

I remember one autopsy of someone he allegedly killed had like multiple broken bones and all kinds of shit.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 11:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Put Barney and Cali in a room and see who walks out...

I am taking Barney 10 times out of 10 despite the age difference.

If you want the truth, neither one of them are "fighters." But Barney's a little lankier and has the reach lol.


Just hearing stories of some of the brutality people suffered at his hands is why I say that.

I remember one autopsy of someone he allegedly killed had like multiple broken bones and all kinds of shit.

Urban legend. Check your pm.
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 11:37 AM

Yeah, the info came from pizzaboy and as usual it was spot on
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Yeah, the info came from pizzaboy and as usual it was spot on

Thanks, Dom. And I told you that at least three months before anyone else started to make the same claim. The guy's a human being, regardless of what he does for a living. He married Camille when they were kids, and he took it very hard when she passed.

They're a very tight family (blood family, that mafia shit aside). Everyone needs time to grieve. And having said that, I seriously doubt he'll ever dive that far back in the pool again. People have been calling him a "kid" for thirty years. But he's pushing 60 now and he's a grandfather himself wink .
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Yeah, the info came from pizzaboy and as usual it was spot on


Pizzaboy was the inside source reporting on Corky taking the boss spot?

lol

kidding, of course.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 12:14 PM

PB I dunno if I've told you this lately but you're the Man! Not to kiss too much add but probably more knowledgeable then most OC journalists, the best ones have close ties to their communities as I'm.sure you do.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 12:24 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
PB I dunno if I've told you this lately but you're the Man! Not to kiss too much add but probably more knowledgeable then most OC journalists, the best ones have close ties to their communities as I'm.sure you do.

Thanks, but when it comes to OC and its overall scope and history, there are much more informed posters on the boards. These guys are researchers and deserve their due.

I'm just a guy who's lived in a certain area and among certain people for the past 55 years. And if I'm adamant about something, it's because I believe it to be true. I try not to speculate.

But thanks again, buddy. You're a valuable addition here yourself smile.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 12:32 PM

You're welcome buddy. Despite the random trolls here and there this is a great board I'm glad to be a part of it.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 12:44 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
You're welcome buddy. Despite the random trolls here and there this is a great board I'm glad to be a part of it.

Sure thing. But maybe we should get this thing back on topic smile.

Re the Cosa Nostra blog post and Scopo/EVL: I have no opinion about Philly and I'm constantly driving that point home. But he'd get a lot more respect on the forums if he printed a retraction once in awhile. Jesus, Pete Hamill and Jimmy Breslin have written retractions during their careers, and they're both legendary journalists.

I think the problem here may be that Carmela/Tag was the first one to call him out on that Frank Cali piece. He got defensive about it back then, and then dug his heels in to the point where he couldn't even admit that he got Cefalu's age wrong. It's no biggie. Just admit it and move on.

But like a lot of men on these boards (and in real life), it's entirely possible that he just doesn't think that a woman can have an informed opinion about this stuff. And on top of that, certain men just can't deal with strong women. And trust me, I'm no women's libber. I haven't washed a load of clothers in almost thirty years of marriage lol .

Anyway, let's get back to George (or not George) being the boss. We have a lot of friends here from the Philly area. This is their topic, and they deserve to post about it without reading through all of our bullshit (and I say our bullshit because I'm guilty here, too blush ).
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 12:50 PM

Yeah I agree , all that family before your actual family is a thing of the past
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 12:55 PM

Originally Posted By: domwoods74
Yeah I agree , all that family before your actual family is a thing of the past

And think real hard about that part of the "oath," Dom.

Anyone who promises to "leave the deathbed of his wife or children," all because some goombah wants his envelope, is sick in the fucking head to begin with.

I have a wife, three kids, and an aging father to take care of. If anyone ever told me to leave them in their time of need, well, you know where I'm going here.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 01:42 PM

I'll be honest with you guys, despite the terrible article it probably contains SOME truth. I'm in the area and have heard about him reclaiming stuff left and right. Also I am close to the Baretta family and him and Mazzone are best buddies, from everything I have heard Steve Mazzone has no interest in "the big seat" lol. Also I wanted to clarify a couple things for the people from England or Kansas or whatever. In the past in Philly they generated A LOT of money. When everyone says it's a shell of its former self and write it off as a joke or scraps I think they are jumping the gun a little bit. Obviously it's not as lucrative as before but I know for a FACT that a few of these guys who are associates were pulling in something like over 150k or 200k a year, and I also know for a FACT there are like at least over 10 books in less then a ten mile radius collecting serious money every year. What I'm saying is that although they are not making money like the 80s, they are not.exactly taking the bus either.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 01:45 PM

There you go, back on topic smile.

Re "The Big Seat": I never heard that term before Tony Soprano said it about Uncle Junior. Now it's all over the boards. Life imitates art lol.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 01:46 PM

Also for my Foreign friends when you are on supervised release or parole or whatever you can.still make moves. I was on ISP program which is.intensive supervision and you can.still make.moves . I am a nobody, ex drug dealer current construction worker for 36k a.year but.trust me I.coulda ran a whole mob if I was in that position
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
There you go, back on topic smile.

Re "The Big Seat": I never heard that term before Tony Soprano said it about Uncle Junior. Now it's all over the boards. Life imitates art lol.
FWIW it sounds cool though, the big seat!! Haha
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 02:15 PM

I can believe Borgesi throwing his weight around (Rocco Maniscalco was allegedly killed for not paying street tax to Borgesi's guys) but I'll believe he's running the show when the feds/cops say so (not a blog).
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 02:15 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
FWIW it sounds cool though, the big seat!! Haha

I'm almost 55. Regular bowel movements are cool to me grin.
Posted By: gram6814

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 04:43 PM

Reminds me of the two old fellows sitting on the bench talking

The one old Geezer says to the other "Oh what I wouldn't do to be able to take a good shit, I gotta a huge problem"

The other guy says "Me too I have a problem, like clockwork every morning at 6 oclock I piss like a bear in the woods and shit like a red goose"

The other guy says "why is that a problem?"

The other guy says "Because I don't wake up until 830!"
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: stevietro
I wasn't defending the articles from last year which I thought were bullshit I was merely stating that it seems from reading about Cali and hearing other people's opinions who are more in the know than me on forums such as these that he is the true power in the Gambino crime family.

And again, Frank's a very powerful guy. But Cefalu is no one's puppet. There's no shadow or "true power" behind him. Take that however you want, but that's my main point, and I'm not wrong about it wink.

And I know that you're new here. So first of all, welcome to the board. But in regards to Frank, a lot of posters have built him into this mythical figure, just like they do with Barney. He's smart. He's powerful. But he's just a man.

I'm just pointing this out because people tend to make him and Barney out to be almost Illuminati-like. And they're just guys, who happen to work the street for a living.

And again, welcome to the board smile.


Put Barney and Cali in a room and see who walks out...

I am taking Barney 10 times out of 10 despite the age difference.


lol I hope you're joking with this post, for what it's worth nobody knows how tough either are in a fist fight, you pick Barney based on what? How many murders he's ordered? lol These guys aren't fighters, they may have been as teenagers but that's when they stopped throwing hands, they let others fight for them.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 06:14 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: stevietro
I wasn't defending the articles from last year which I thought were bullshit I was merely stating that it seems from reading about Cali and hearing other people's opinions who are more in the know than me on forums such as these that he is the true power in the Gambino crime family.

And again, Frank's a very powerful guy. But Cefalu is no one's puppet. There's no shadow or "true power" behind him. Take that however you want, but that's my main point, and I'm not wrong about it wink.

And I know that you're new here. So first of all, welcome to the board. But in regards to Frank, a lot of posters have built him into this mythical figure, just like they do with Barney. He's smart. He's powerful. But he's just a man.

I'm just pointing this out because people tend to make him and Barney out to be almost Illuminati-like. And they're just guys, who happen to work the street for a living.

And again, welcome to the board smile.


Exactly, Cefalu partly schooled Cali in 'the life' yet Cali's mentor is his figurehead the take the fall? lol It amazes me how naive people are, they here a blog article and run with it.
Posted By: cheech

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: stevietro
Thanks for the reply and welcoming me to the group. I hear what your saying about both Bellomo and Cali, I'll admit that I have had a tendency in the past to see them as perhaps more than they actually are. Domwoods74 told me the other day that if anything Bellomo has actually took a step back from crime family affairs since the death of his wife. I'm enjoying the group so far great place to find out about current LCN information. Cheers

Domwoods74 is a good friend of mine. But do me a favor and ask him where he got that from. He'll tell you that it came from me wink smile .

But back on topic. Here's the blog post from last year. And just for shits and giggles, scroll down to the part where he claims that Cefalu is 76. He was only 66 at the time, it was pointed out to the author, and he STILL refused to change it. Now if he won't change a silly little thing like that, how credible can he be?

http://www.cosanostranews.com/2013/06/gambinos-name-cali-boss-as-cefalu-steps.html




If you look right above the article it says in bold he believes Cali is boss. Poor bastard
Posted By: stevietro

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 07:54 PM

I said that for all intents and purposes I believed that Cali was the real power in the family. I stand corrected and unlike certain blog writers I can admit when i'm wrong. I'm an amateur Mob enthusiast who is here to learn more and find out more about LCN.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 07:57 PM

Originally Posted By: stevietro
I said that for all intents and purposes I believed that Cali was the real power in the family. I stand corrected and unlike certain blog writers I can admit when i'm wrong. I'm an amateur Mob enthusiast who is here to learn more and find out more about LCN.

There you go. Good for you, pal smile.
Posted By: stevietro

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 08:02 PM

haha just realised i read cheech's post wrong. I should get bumped down from wiseguy back to associate wink
Posted By: pmac

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 09:18 PM

There was a borgesi on the costa rican wc team. Cousin. No maybe he.is.acting cause he got.the reward for shuting his mouth and looking at another decade. The guy uphere did 30 yrs framed by fbi didnt take the spot 10 yrs ago but did 5 yrs later. Peter limone its there life.pride. thats all the got not every mobster is a ww2 hero or even war hero. So other then doing a shitload of prison time what do they get besides a acting boss tittle an a couple.dollars. them war hero guys were respected im guessing grudginly by some police. Jerry anguilo had the flag on his casket acouple others round.here.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/15/14 09:29 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
There was a borgesi on the costa rican wc team. Cousin. No maybe he.is.acting cause he got.the reward for shuting his mouth and looking at another decade. The guy uphere did 30 yrs framed by fbi didnt take the spot 10 yrs ago but did 5 yrs later. Peter limone its there life.pride. thats all the got not every mobster is a ww2 hero or even war hero. So other then doing a shitload of prison time what do they get besides a acting boss tittle an a couple.dollars. them war hero guys were respected im guessing grudginly by some police. Jerry anguilo had the flag on his casket acouple others round.here.

Same goes for Benny Eggs and Matty with the Westside. The Feds grudgingly respected them for their service to their country.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 12:38 AM

For the Philly guys - what's the recruting pool like in south Philly? I can't imagine anyone sees how these guys have been destroyed and actually want to get involved but... These aren't the sharpest tools in the shed
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 12:52 AM

For the article turning out to be a dud, atleast I got a good thread started about Philly OC!! Also got some more pics of the Mazzone's and Dom Grande.. will post soon.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
For the article turning out to be a dud, atleast I got a good thread started about Philly OC!! Also got some more pics of the Mazzone's and Dom Grande.. will post soon.

Not your fault, Stevie smile .
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 03:02 AM

Obviously knowledge is very important,but also how you present yourself goes a long way.I do more reading of posts than I do actual posting.I would use Pizzaboy as the blueprint on how to communicate on these boards.Very honest,no name-calling,and doesn't claim to know more than he does.Excellant poster.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 10:51 AM

Originally Posted By: 22
Obviously knowledge is very important,but also how you present yourself goes a long way.I do more reading of posts than I do actual posting.I would use Pizzaboy as the blueprint on how to communicate on these boards.Very honest,no name-calling,and doesn't claim to know more than he does.Excellant poster.

Thanks, 22.

I try, but even I'm not above losing my temper. Especially lately with Cook County. I'm actually embarrassed about lowering myself to his level. Now I meant every word I said, but that doesn't mean I should have said it.

But thanks again blush.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 11:07 AM

Originally Posted By: mightyhealthy
For the Philly guys - what's the recruting pool like in south Philly? I can't imagine anyone sees how these guys have been destroyed and actually want to get involved but... These aren't the sharpest tools in the shed


I don't think they have that big of a poll of associates to pick from. A reason the family has stayed so small. And there isn't a ton of money to grab for new guys unless its drugs.

The guys on the street now are already fighting over the pie.
Posted By: IKnowNothing

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 11:30 AM

WOW! What a ridiculous thing to say!! HAHA!
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 11:32 AM

Originally Posted By: IKnowNothing
WOW! What a ridiculous thing to say!! HAHA!


Your name is very accurate.

lol

shhh
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 02:58 PM

Just spend a couple days around south Philly. The recruiting pool is deeper than a Kafka novel. Just drive around you will see guys on every corner straight out of central casting.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 02:59 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Just spend a couple days around south Philly. The recruiting pool is deeper than a Kafka novel.

None of those goombahs ever heard of Kafka whistle.
Posted By: K1NG6

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 03:56 PM

Hey guys, long time reader of the organized crime forum and now first time poster. I've learned a lot of things reading posts from some of the posters here who are really in the know. Anyway, I've been working on a new chart for the Philadelphia family for some time now. I wanted to create an updated one from the last ones I've seen from 2010/2011, and I basically started from the time Uncle Joe/Borgesi were released after the second trial at the beginning of the year. I'm about 80% finished, but I wanted to get some insight from some of the people here who would be more in the know about Philly than me. I follow the Philly family closer than the rest of the families, but consider myself far from any type of expert. I've tried talking with George A, but haven't gotten a response through e-mail yet. My question now, with this latest article saying Georgie Boy may be the boss (or trying to take the "big seat"), does anyone really believe that he may have taken the acting boss title? How many believe that the Skinny guy is still the real power in the family and running things from Florida? If it is really Georgie, did Uncle Joe step aside and retire, or maybe slide into the consigliere spot? If you believe UJ is officially retired now, and think the Borgesi article is BS, would it still be Stevie Mazzone as acting boss? I've seen from other posters here that say Stevie really has no aspiration of taking the top spot on an official basis. I've also seen elsewhere and tend to agree that Johnny Chang has a top spot in the administration, possibly acting underboss/maybe even official? I would have to imagine that Mousie won't hold the official underboss spot being away until 2025. Who has become acting capo for Staino's South Jersey crew? I'd love any and all insight from you guys so I could finish the chart and upload it. I also have a few other names (soldiers) that I need some clarification of placing them in the right crews. Thanks guys, and happy to be a new poster/member here.
Posted By: NNY78

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 04:57 PM

Originally Posted By: K1NG6
Hey guys, long time reader of the organized crime forum and now first time poster. I've learned a lot of things reading posts from some of the posters here who are really in the know. Anyway, I've been working on a new chart for the Philadelphia family for some time now. I wanted to create an updated one from the last ones I've seen from 2010/2011, and I basically started from the time Uncle Joe/Borgesi were released after the second trial at the beginning of the year. I'm about 80% finished, but I wanted to get some insight from some of the people here who would be more in the know about Philly than me. I follow the Philly family closer than the rest of the families, but consider myself far from any type of expert. I've tried talking with George A, but haven't gotten a response through e-mail yet. My question now, with this latest article saying Georgie Boy may be the boss (or trying to take the "big seat"), does anyone really believe that he may have taken the acting boss title? How many believe that the Skinny guy is still the real power in the family and running things from Florida? If it is really Georgie, did Uncle Joe step aside and retire, or maybe slide into the consigliere spot? If you believe UJ is officially retired now, and think the Borgesi article is BS, would it still be Stevie Mazzone as acting boss? I've seen from other posters here that say Stevie really has no aspiration of taking the top spot on an official basis. I've also seen elsewhere and tend to agree that Johnny Chang has a top spot in the administration, possibly acting underboss/maybe even official? I would have to imagine that Mousie won't hold the official underboss spot being away until 2025. Who has become acting capo for Staino's South Jersey crew? I'd love any and all insight from you guys so I could finish the chart and upload it. I also have a few other names (soldiers) that I need some clarification of placing them in the right crews. Thanks guys, and happy to be a new poster/member here.


Welcome to the boards K1NG6. I find the Philly mob very interesting as well, unfortunately at this point much of what the folks know is an educated guess or speculation as far as who is in charge, which is good for the famliy's survival were the feds are concerned. Maybe more will be revieled with the recent convictions of Scarfo Jr et al.
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 05:13 PM

I really think that the mob is in a holding pattern in philly even perhaps playing hot potato with the top seat until after the niccodemo trial... because the heat is on in s philly from dom grande to niccodemo and once they fry niccodemo and how cant they then it may begin dominoes as he will probably flip and no one is going to want at this time to give the FBI guys or local organized crime guys any ammo...i guess dave s and fox 29 had the report on georgie and uncle joe driving by an illegal liquor joint and dave s had the report on johnny chang and him being part of his wife's lottery stand which is illegal...i just think these dudes will lay low til after the niccodemo thing plays out... then again football season is a few weeks away and there are some degenerates down there who need cash and a place to make a bet
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Just spend a couple days around south Philly. The recruiting pool is deeper than a Kafka novel. Just drive around you will see guys on every corner straight out of central casting.




a bunch of purse snatching methamphetamine heads
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 05:35 PM

I personally think the philly mob in the early 90s with Cianglini family and their feud and killing of brothers and taking sides would be a great movie... I mean try and kill one brother on an FBI wire and then stanfa killing the other on a s philly street because hes with merlino and then the other brother johnny in prison and dad in prison.... that is or seems like itd be a perfect hollywood script
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Just spend a couple days around south Philly. The recruiting pool is deeper than a Kafka novel.

None of those goombahs ever heard of Kafka whistle.


Probably not lol
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Just spend a couple days around south Philly. The recruiting pool is deeper than a Kafka novel. Just drive around you will see guys on every corner straight out of central casting.




a bunch of purse snatching methamphetamine heads


Says the guy who has never been
Posted By: Jose

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/16/14 06:03 PM

There are a number of guys on the street with power Phil Narducci , Mazzone , Borgesi , Merlino by way of South Florida, Johnny Chang, Sonny Mazzone, Uncle Joe, Grande. Each one of these guys has crews so the philly family is rolling with pretty good numbers for Philly/South Jersey..There are also others that are inside but out soon...Angelina, Gate ...
I would say Uncle is done and on the shelf .. Johnny Chang is real low key and smart - I don't think he should have too much heat on himself....I can't see Mazzone ceding power or control to anyone unless there was an agreement with Georgie - they are all close childhood friends so I don't see an issue with any of them except maybe Narducci but he's got the club in old city and his rackets going on I'm sure. Grande is younger and probably like poison right now in that no one wants to get close to him until the Nicodemo fiasco plays out. I wonder if Nico flips after the verdict how much could he know / bring down...gongs , long john and maybe turchi but are there any others that Nico would know about ? Monascalco is unsolved , that sounded like a hit ... Anything before that he probably doesn't know about or can't be reliable.
The wild card is Nico - if he miraculously walks and the guys on the inside who plead out in the Uncle Joe first trial return to the streets , the philly family will have earners and numbers out there which they haven't seen in a long time. Saloon will be rocking and rolling.
Posted By: durkadurka

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 04:41 AM

What people don't really know except for some of us on the streets is that Faffy is about to take over once he gets out. He has been making moves from the inside for the past few years but is doing through other people like Narducci and the Pungitores. People saying Freckles is the new boss are only doing that to protect Francis. He has a lot of sway and everyone who is gunning for the top is only doing it to keep the seat warm for him. The guy does 30 years he deserves it and if anyone has a problem it'll be the eighties all over again and bodies will be left in the streets. Word came down from Scarfo that since his son didn't beat his case that he wants Faffy to take over, people don't know Scarfo still has sway and with his guys out on the streets now they'll do it for the old man after all that he did for them, and protecting them by taking a life sentence. Those guys owe him.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 06:37 AM

Originally Posted By: durkadurka
What people don't really know except for some of us on the streets is that Faffy is about to take over once he gets out. He has been making moves from the inside for the past few years but is doing through other people like Narducci and the Pungitores. People saying Freckles is the new boss are only doing that to protect Francis. He has a lot of sway and everyone who is gunning for the top is only doing it to keep the seat warm for him. The guy does 30 years he deserves it and if anyone has a problem it'll be the eighties all over again and bodies will be left in the streets. Word came down from Scarfo that since his son didn't beat his case that he wants Faffy to take over, people don't know Scarfo still has sway and with his guys out on the streets now they'll do it for the old man after all that he did for them, and protecting them by taking a life sentence. Those guys owe him.


Why are you trolling again? All you keep doing is talking about every crime family going to war lol
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 09:41 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Just spend a couple days around south Philly. The recruiting pool is deeper than a Kafka novel. Just drive around you will see guys on every corner straight out of central casting.




a bunch of purse snatching methamphetamine heads


Says the guy who has never been


Like Chicago aka Chiraq aka gang/ crack head central is any better.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 09:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Jose
There are a number of guys on the street with power Phil Narducci , Mazzone , Borgesi , Merlino by way of South Florida, Johnny Chang, Sonny Mazzone, Uncle Joe, Grande. Each one of these guys has crews so the philly family is rolling with pretty good numbers for Philly/South Jersey..There are also others that are inside but out soon...Angelina, Gate ...
I would say Uncle is done and on the shelf .. Johnny Chang is real low key and smart - I don't think he should have too much heat on himself....I can't see Mazzone ceding power or control to anyone unless there was an agreement with Georgie - they are all close childhood friends so I don't see an issue with any of them except maybe Narducci but he's got the club in old city and his rackets going on I'm sure. Grande is younger and probably like poison right now in that no one wants to get close to him until the Nicodemo fiasco plays out. I wonder if Nico flips after the verdict how much could he know / bring down...gongs , long john and maybe turchi but are there any others that Nico would know about ? Monascalco is unsolved , that sounded like a hit ... Anything before that he probably doesn't know about or can't be reliable.
The wild card is Nico - if he miraculously walks and the guys on the inside who plead out in the Uncle Joe first trial return to the streets , the philly family will have earners and numbers out there which they haven't seen in a long time. Saloon will be rocking and rolling.


Half the family would be fucked if Nicodemo flipped. He was rumored to be in on the last 3 murders in some way
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 09:44 AM

Originally Posted By: durkadurka
What people don't really know except for some of us on the streets is that Faffy is about to take over once he gets out. He has been making moves from the inside for the past few years but is doing through other people like Narducci and the Pungitores. People saying Freckles is the new boss are only doing that to protect Francis. He has a lot of sway and everyone who is gunning for the top is only doing it to keep the seat warm for him. The guy does 30 years he deserves it and if anyone has a problem it'll be the eighties all over again and bodies will be left in the streets. Word came down from Scarfo that since his son didn't beat his case that he wants Faffy to take over, people don't know Scarfo still has sway and with his guys out on the streets now they'll do it for the old man after all that he did for them, and protecting them by taking a life sentence. Those guys owe him.


Ummmm, no...just no.

rolleyes
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 09:50 AM

Durkadurka, Scarfo Sr. has no "sway". His son was shot at and he had to have him made with the Luchesse just to keep him alive. Also, Joe Grande tried that Scarfo Sr. loyalty talk and he changed his tune after he was spoken to. Put a fork on Scarfo sr.. he's the past and anyone who supports him would have no backing in Philadelphia.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 10:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Durkadurka, Scarfo Sr. has no "sway". His son was shot at and he had to have him made with the Luchesse just to keep him alive. Also, Joe Grande tried that Scarfo Sr. loyalty talk and he changed his tune after he was spoken to. Put a fork on Scarfo sr.. he's the past and anyone who supports him would have no backing in Philadelphia.



He's trolling just look at every one of his posts, he talks about every family 'dropping bodies' as far as New Orleans lol Don't pay any attention to him.
Posted By: stevietro

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 12:56 PM

Durkadurka might be talking shit about "bodies dropping" but maybe he has a point about Faffy, he practically ran Philly at the end of the Scarfo era and is supposed to be a stone gangster who is very treacherous. If Faffy still wants the job upon his release then i'm sure it will cause problems.
Posted By: K1NG6

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 09:28 PM

This is all speculative theory, but what do you guys think? Borgesi as acting boss right now might make sense. This theory hinges on the fact that Skinny Joey is the official boss, as many of us believe. Joey is in a position of power (at the moment) because the FBI can't prove anything and only Joey and the guys in Philly really know the 100% truth.

If, as some have said, that Mazzone doesn't want the heat that comes with the top spot, why not allow George to have it if he really wants it? Make him feel rewarded for doing 10+ years in the can and keeping his mouth shut. With Joey as the real power, everybody knows Stevie and Chang are his top guys on the street. They stay in the administration and keep what they already had, and Borgesi gets the title of boss (acting) like he wanted.

And at the end of the day, with the FBI unable to prove the Skinny guys involvement, Joey has old Georgie Boy as a de facto lightning rod out front to take the hit when the Feds come calling again. Skinny knows best that the FBI has a huge hard-on for the boss of any family. And, if in fact Joey is really still the boss, obviously prison has made him a whole hell of a lot wiser. It seems like the perfect move.

Saying that, I still don't know what to believe. Until it's proven that Uncle Joe really did retire, I continue to assume that either he or Stevie Mazzone remains the acting boss right now.

Even in that scenario, I don't know if I believe Borgesi is boss material. No way he's calling the shots for Faffy - Scarfo Sr. has NO SAY in South Philly anymore! But then again, I'm not on the streets. If Nicodemo doesn't beat his case there may be major trouble for all the guys in Philly, Joey and Uncle Joe included.
Posted By: K1NG6

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 09:34 PM

You really believe the Merlino guys are going to give up the family they LITERALLY went to war for? Even if Joey's not the boss, Mazzone and his guys aren't just going to lay down. They fought for it, it's their family. Borgesi included.
Posted By: Iceman999

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 09:54 PM

Are there any of Stanfa's people still around?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Iceman999
Are there any of Stanfa's people still around?


Vince Fillipelli is, but most seem to be in jail or on the shelf.
Posted By: durkadurka

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 10:18 PM

The Stanfa guys haven't forgotten about what happened to them. They will be waiting and believe me when they do act bodies will be left out in the streets.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 10:22 PM

Originally Posted By: durkadurka
The Stanfa guys haven't forgotten about what happened to them. They will be waiting and believe me when they do act bodies will be left out in the streets.


Douchebag.

The line's getting old.

Its not funny or clever. Stop wasting every bodies time.
Posted By: durkadurka

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 10:33 PM

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bully? I'll have you know I lasted 16 years in Canada, and I've been involved in numerous raids on my own body, and I have over 300 ML of bleach drank. I am trained in self harm and I'm the top Clorox chugger in BC, Canada. You are nothing to me but just another Bully. I will wipe myself the fuck out with chugging the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am knotting my 2 meters long of rope across my neck and your feels are being hurt right now so you better prepare for the suicide, bully. The suicide that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking done, kid. I can die anywhere, anytime, and I can kill myself in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my Clorox and rope, You fucked up bully, I will shit sadness on you and you will drown in it, I'm fucking dead kiddo.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 11:03 PM

Wow, where the hell did this guy come from? I think your on the wrong forum, durkadurk LOL
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 11:15 PM

Originally Posted By: durkadurka
The Stanfa guys haven't forgotten about what happened to them. They will be waiting and believe me when they do act bodies will be left out in the streets.


I have heard that Stanfa is running the family through Veasey, Colletti and Filipelli as the ruling panel on the street.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/17/14 11:42 PM

DurkaDurka = Derka Derka.

Posted By: Merlinofan1970

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 12:25 AM

Thats true Cheech! They r even bigger fans than the rest of us! Lol!
Posted By: mackinblack007

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 12:38 AM

People realize that joey has allready been the real power in the family for 20 years? he has done the lightning rod trick before(Ralph Natale), he is about to be boss longer then even bruno was, he is underated as a boss, plus he is a stone fucking killer, you cross joey, he will come at you with a automatic weapon even if he has to pull the trigger himself, the attempted hit on scarfo jr was a bold move.
Posted By: southend

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 07:55 AM



THIS FUCKING TWERP?!
Posted By: Moe_Tilden

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 09:26 AM



Who is the guy in this photo?
Posted By: gram6814

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 09:37 AM

Joe Pung
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 10:51 AM

I gotta say. I've made some good friends here from Philly over the years. But I think the "Who's the Boss?" thing is more important to the guys online than it is to the actual wiseguys in Philly (and Boca)! lol
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I gotta say. I've made some good friends here from Philly over the years. But I think the "Who's the Boss?" thing is more important to the guys online than it is to the actual wiseguys in Philly (and Boca)! lol


I agree 100%. No one is afraid of Borgesi if he trys to shoot at his hands start shaking..once he starts shaking n his pants fall down from all the weight he's lost. The guy is half retarded from the degenerate disease he got from the prison food."
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Yankees1951
I agree 100%. No one is afraid of Borgesi if he trys to shoot at his hands start shaking..once he starts shaking n his pants fall down from all the weight he's lost. The guy is half retarded from the degenerate disease he got from the prison food."

That's priceless. I'm actually at a loss for words lol lol lol lol.
Posted By: azguy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 03:55 PM

Maybe all the confusion is just mi-information on Philly's part to confuse the Fed's....It's Joey, It's Uncle Joe, it's Steve, it's George, etc...
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 03:57 PM

How much money is the boss of that family going to make anyways? After you kick to joey and his wife there couldent be a whole lot left.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 03:59 PM

Whatever he looks like, Borgesi has been personally involved in several murders. And he supposedly has quite a temper.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 04:00 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
After you kick to joey and his wife there couldent be a whole lot left.

Yeah, that tanning accelerator is really fucking expensive grin.
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
After you kick to joey and his wife there couldent be a whole lot left.

Yeah, that tanning accelerator is really fucking expensive grin.


Ha ha ha YOU REALLY ARE A FUNNY GUY!
Posted By: jipjones

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: mackinblack007
People realize that joey has allready been the real power in the family for 20 years? he has done the lightning rod trick before(Ralph Natale), he is about to be boss longer then even bruno was, he is underated as a boss, plus he is a stone fucking killer, you cross joey, he will come at you with a automatic weapon even if he has to pull the trigger himself, the attempted hit on scarfo jr was a bold move.
I agree 110% he is underated ppl act like hes dumb hes smarter then u think hes real good at not incriminating himselfs on Wiretaps and ppl wearing a wire! Right now he cd prolly tell if a rat was trying to get him on tape aka (Nicky Skins) Ur damn straight that was a bold fucken Move to hit Scarfo JR I wonder if Scarfo Sr. didnt go to jail earlier and all the fallout wit Chuckie Merlino I wonder if Merlino wd of tried to hit Scarfo Sr. All speculation acorse... But Ya Joey dont take shit it wdnt matter who NY Names Boss of Philly Joey wd of tried shit Thats prolly y NY didnt bother after Stanfa got Locked UP. Who Knows wat da future holds wit Joey!! Joey Bona Fide Cosa Nostra
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 09:28 PM

Originally Posted By: jipjones
But Ya Joey dont take shit it wdnt matter who NY Names Boss of Philly Joey wd of tried shit Thats prolly y NY didnt bother after Stanfa got Locked UP.

I don't think any of the New York families care one way or another who's boss in Philly today.

The days of guys like Scarfo and Bruno having alliances with the New York families are long gone, save for the jailhouse romance between Scarfo and Amuso.

They have enough problems in New York without having to monitor the dog and pony show down the Jersey Shore wink.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 09:47 PM

Pb, that makes sense. Why would those guys bother? It's only a matter of time before another Philly boss flips. Just stay away from the whole thing. Can't be any rackets in Philly worth that.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/18/14 11:03 PM

Originally Posted By: jipjones
Originally Posted By: mackinblack007
People realize that joey has allready been the real power in the family for 20 years? he has done the lightning rod trick before(Ralph Natale), he is about to be boss longer then even bruno was, he is underated as a boss, plus he is a stone fucking killer, you cross joey, he will come at you with a automatic weapon even if he has to pull the trigger himself, the attempted hit on scarfo jr was a bold move.
I agree 110% he is underated ppl act like hes dumb hes smarter then u think hes real good at not incriminating himselfs on Wiretaps and ppl wearing a wire! Right now he cd prolly tell if a rat was trying to get him on tape aka (Nicky Skins) Ur damn straight that was a bold fucken Move to hit Scarfo JR I wonder if Scarfo Sr. didnt go to jail earlier and all the fallout wit Chuckie Merlino I wonder if Merlino wd of tried to hit Scarfo Sr. All speculation acorse... But Ya Joey dont take shit it wdnt matter who NY Names Boss of Philly Joey wd of tried shit Thats prolly y NY didnt bother after Stanfa got Locked UP. Who Knows wat da future holds wit Joey!! Joey Bona Fide Cosa Nostra


No, Chucky was an alcaholic, all the Scarfo guys turned turned a blind eye to him after he got demoted. Chucky wasn't shit without Scarfo, that's a fact.
Posted By: dsbaloo

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 05:29 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
[quote=ItalianForever]After you kick to joey and his wife there couldent be a whole lot left.


I believe it.. Must be more money being made in philly than people say cause joey is living ok and seems like a lot of the other philly guys aren't starving either.
Posted By: NNY78

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 07:06 AM

Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
I believe it.. Must be more money being made in philly than people say cause joey is living ok and seems like a lot of the other philly guys aren't starving either.



I have no idea what those guys are making and kicking to Joey if anything,and will leave that to the Philly mob experts. I will say Boca is a city of extreme wealth and driving around in in an Escalade and living in a $400,000 Townhouse would be considered middle class in Boca. The nicer townhomes down here start in the 2 million dollar range and Bentleys, Rolls and Maserati's are almost as common as Hondas. If Joey is still the boss and getting an envelope he is doing the right thing by keeping a low profile and not living extravagantly at least by Boca standards.
Posted By: British

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 08:10 AM

Would they be making new members in Philly?
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 08:30 AM

Originally Posted By: British
Would they be making new members in Philly?


Yeah Uncle Joe made a lot of guys. Last ceremony was 2011, Dom Grande, Sonny Mazzone got made, can't remember who else.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 09:22 AM

@jipjones


it took balls to hit scarfo jr but it was also done while scarfo sr was in jail

scarfo sr then has his son made in a nyc family (power in philly obviously gone)
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 09:37 AM

Tommy, was it Joey Electric Servidio?
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 09:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Tommy, was it Joey Electric Servidio?


That's the one pal!
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 11:25 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: British
Would they be making new members in Philly?


Yeah Uncle Joe made a lot of guys. Last ceremony was 2011, Dom Grande, Sonny Mazzone got made, can't remember who else.


Tommy interesting. Just out of curiosity where did you hear this? I know I have read about the 07 ceremony but not about 2011. Did uncle joe do this ceremony or was it after he got indicted?
Posted By: dsbaloo

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 02:44 PM

Originally Posted By: NNY78
Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
I believe it.. Must be more money being made in philly than people say cause joey is living ok and seems like a lot of the other philly guys aren't starving either.



I have no idea what those guys are making and kicking to Joey if anything,and will leave that to the Philly mob experts. I will say Boca is a city of extreme wealth and driving around in in an Escalade and living in a $400,000 Townhouse would be considered middle class in Boca. The nicer townhomes down here start in the 2 million dollar range and Bentleys, Rolls and Maserati's are almost as common as Hondas. If Joey is still the boss and getting an envelope he is doing the right thing by keeping a low profile and not living extravagantly at least by Boca standards.


True. But now he's driving a brand new rolls royce.. I'm not sure what model but I'm pretty sure its the ghost. Its dark blue and silver.. So he's not keeping too low of a profile.. Also I wonder if he's going to upgrade from his townhouse to something bigger since his wife and younger daughter are moving down to boca with him in a month.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 03:37 PM

I don't know what Joey's worth and I don't care. But NNY78 makes a valid point about the property values in Boca. As far as the car, lots of guys drive cars that are over their heads. The South Bronx has a minority population well over 90 percent, and it contains the single poorest zip code in the United States. Yet you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an Escalade. Now Merlino may be sitting on 40 million for all I know. God bless him if he is. I'm just making what I think is an appropriate analogy. He wouldn't be the first wiseguy living over his head.
Posted By: dsbaloo

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 04:01 PM

Very valid point pb.. I wasn't trying to claim that merlino is loaded, shit I know lots of people who live in shacks yet have an e63 amg benz and a bmw m6 at the same time.. Anyone willing to scrape together 1000 dollars a month towards a lease can drive a 120k car.. And it appears they're very well off but in reality they would never be able to outright buy the cars..
Plus I think its fair to say merlino thinks image is important so it wouldn't surprise me if he could barely afford what he's got, on the other hand maybe he's got tons stashed.. Who knows

It is very difficult to know peoples finances. Shit I've known people for years who appear to be doing really well but in reality they're drowning to stay afloat.. Then on the other hand you got the guys who you think don't have 2 nickles to rub together and drive a shitty car and they have tons of bread put away..
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 04:32 PM

Flamboyance got him pinched the first time and now hes throwing it in the feds' faces again? They already visited to talk about increasing restitution. He's gotta instagram posting photos of him living it up. When is he going to learn?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Flamboyance got him pinched the first time and now hes throwing it in the feds' faces again? They already visited to talk about increasing restitution. He's gotta instagram posting photos of him living it up. When is he going to learn?

I know nothing about him except for what I've read. But I have heard from a few Philly posters that he had a habit of sticking bookmakers, and I think that tells you a lot about his character. Now don't get me wrong, virtually all criminals are lacking character. Right?

But I think there are degrees of character. You take a John Gotti or a Vinny Basciano, and those guys were both serious, even problem gamblers. But from what I know about Vinny, and from what I've heard about Gotti, they'd stick up a frigging bodega to pay their gambling debts if they had to.

Anyone who throws his weight around and says, "Fuck you, try to collect," is not worthy of his stripes if you ask me.

But again, this is all third hand from guys I've met here. I try not to speculate about people outside of my own area smile .
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 05:38 PM

The last gangster by George Anastasia is the only book which covers the period Joey and Natale ran the show. Merlino and Borgesi were known for betting into books under false names and not paying up. That's why i said if borgesi is boss then it isnt LCN, its just a thug throwing his weight around. Those two are not mobsters, they are thugs who happened to have vowels at the end of their names.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Those two are not mobsters, they are thugs who happened to have vowels at the end of their names.


There's a difference?
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 05:46 PM

You know what i meant sonny why are you bustng my balls? My point is there is no sophistication to their operation no enterprise. Maybe i should have spelled it out sorry.
Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 06:25 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Those two are not mobsters, they are thugs who happened to have vowels at the end of their names.


There's a difference?


I would say there is a bit of difference between real mobsters like Gambino or the Chin that successfully ran multi-million dollar ventures and thugs morons that rip off bookies. Guys like Georgie are closer to the thug end of things. Degenerate gamblers that can't even cover their own debts.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Guys like Georgie are closer to the thug end of things. Degenerate gamblers that can't even cover their own debts.

Can't or won't, Nicky?

The can't makes you a degenerate. The won't makes you a scumbag wink.
Posted By: NNY78

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 06:33 PM

Their have been a lot of Philly media reports about Joey and the Philly Mob power structure, at least in part to sell papers and drive traffic to their websites. What I find interesting is that there has not been a single report on Joey by the South Florida media since October of 2012, not even by the gossip papers and Joey literally lives directly across the street from the National Enquirer's Headquarters. The last report on Joey I believe was by Julie Brown when Joey called her dispute what she wrote about him when he was released, see the article below. Now the media down her loves a story on the Mafia especially Channel 7 in Miami, which is more like TMZ than a TV station, and all you hear are the crickets chirping. smile

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/01/3029688/mob-icon-merlino-speaks-but-doesnt.html
Posted By: K1NG6

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 08:56 PM

Hey Stevie, do you have any pictures of Beeps, Marty Curro, or Eric Esposito? Robert Ranieri as well? I'm trying to finish my new chart for Philly, and there are a few guys that I just can't find ANY pictures of.

Guess that's a good thing for those guys though!
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: British
Would they be making new members in Philly?


Yeah Uncle Joe made a lot of guys. Last ceremony was 2011, Dom Grande, Sonny Mazzone got made, can't remember who else.


Tommy interesting. Just out of curiosity where did you hear this? I know I have read about the 07 ceremony but not about 2011. Did uncle joe do this ceremony or was it after he got indicted?


the info about the 2011 ceremony came out during the trial, so it probably occurred before the indictments.

Originally Posted By: K1NG6
Hey Stevie, do you have any pictures of Beeps, Marty Curro, or Eric Esposito? Robert Ranieri as well? I'm trying to finish my new chart for Philly, and there are a few guys that I just can't find ANY pictures of.

Guess that's a good thing for those guys though!


heres one I've seen of Ranieri although i don't think he's a made guy-

Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 09:31 PM

I believe the one that came out in the trial was from 07 where fazzini, canalichio, esposito and four others got inducted. I have never heard of the 2011 one though.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
I believe the one that came out in the trial was from 07 where fazzini, canalichio, esposito and four others got inducted. I have never heard of the 2011 one though.

the info about both the 2007 and 2011 making ceremonies came out during the trial. I'm sorry i would put the time in to find proof for you but I'm much to busy grin
Posted By: K1NG6

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 09:59 PM

Ranieri is just an associate. Including as many known associates as I can into the chart as well. Thanks for the pic Dellacroce, I appreciate it!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 10:03 PM

Hey Delly,

Ranieri seems to have a light complexion. Is he only 62.38 percent Italian, or is he a SUPER ITALIAN in disguise??

You know these things keep me up at night.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 10:11 PM

o ya i put a lot of time and money into researching this type of stuff and judging by his skin tone, hair color, and weight suggests that he's northern moderate italian, but his guido style shirt(with the no undershirt combo) seems to suggest that he's starting to make the jump to super italian.

we used to have a real expert on here whose really the one to talk to about this(he let us all in on the big secret that robert deniro wasn't really 100% italian but yet still looked it!!) i haven't seen him post in a while though ohwell
Posted By: mulberry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/19/14 10:20 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Flamboyance got him pinched the first time and now hes throwing it in the feds' faces again? They already visited to talk about increasing restitution. He's gotta instagram posting photos of him living it up. When is he going to learn?


If he's driving around in a Bentley and ends up buying a $2 million house, it wouldn't be too hard for the IRS to put him in prison for another 10 years unless he's reporting enough income on his taxes to show he can afford those luxuries.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
Shit I've known people for years who appear to be doing really well but in reality they're drowning to stay afloat.

It's a dangerous game, but half the street guys play it. If not more than half. Image is everything to some of these guys.

But in all fairness, it's not mutually exclusive to wiseguys. I've known assholes like that in the "straight" world all my life. Morons rolleyes.
Posted By: NNY78

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 07:58 AM

Originally Posted By: K1NG6
Hey Stevie, do you have any pictures of Beeps, Marty Curro, or Eric Esposito? Robert Ranieri as well? I'm trying to finish my new chart for Philly, and there are a few guys that I just can't find ANY pictures of.

Guess that's a good thing for those guys though!


K1NG6,

You can get pictures of just about every Philly wise guy here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures...600&bih=775
Posted By: NNY78

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: mulberry
If he's driving around in a Bentley and ends up buying a $2 million house, it wouldn't be too hard for the IRS to put him in prison for another 10 years unless he's reporting enough income on his taxes to show he can afford those luxuries.



I think the IRS is too busy shredding documents, deleting emails and doing other tasks to earn their bonuses and undermine the Republicans to pay attention to what Joey's is up to. Anyway if Joey is living the high life he is doing a great job of keeping it a secret because nobody down her is reporting on it? The local crime/gossip reporters have a history of reporting everything on these wise guys even if their source is a homeless guy begging for change on Commercial Blvd. smile
Posted By: flamingokid123

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: K1NG6
Ranieri is just an associate. Including as many known associates as I can into the chart as well. Thanks for the pic Dellacroce, I appreciate it!
Ranieri is no longer in that life. He and Staino had a falling out long before those indictments came out.
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 12:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
I believe the one that came out in the trial was from 07 where fazzini, canalichio, esposito and four others got inducted. I have never heard of the 2011 one though.

the info about both the 2007 and 2011 making ceremonies came out during the trial. I'm sorry i would put the time in to find proof for you but I'm much to busy grin


Didn't ask you too.
Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
o ya i put a lot of time and money into researching this type of stuff and judging by his skin tone, hair color, and weight suggests that he's northern moderate italian, but his guido style shirt(with the no undershirt combo) seems to suggest that he's starting to make the jump to super italian.

we used to have a real expert on here whose really the one to talk to about this(he let us all in on the big secret that robert deniro wasn't really 100% italian but yet still looked it!!) i haven't seen him post in a while though ohwell


I get it you're better than me because you're slightly less obsessed with organized crime. You only come on this site because you have a moderate but healthy interest in the subject.

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 12:16 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
I believe the one that came out in the trial was from 07 where fazzini, canalichio, esposito and four others got inducted. I have never heard of the 2011 one though.

the info about both the 2007 and 2011 making ceremonies came out during the trial. I'm sorry i would put the time in to find proof for you but I'm much to busy grin


Didn't ask you too.
Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
o ya i put a lot of time and money into researching this type of stuff and judging by his skin tone, hair color, and weight suggests that he's northern moderate italian, but his guido style shirt(with the no undershirt combo) seems to suggest that he's starting to make the jump to super italian.

we used to have a real expert on here whose really the one to talk to about this(he let us all in on the big secret that robert deniro wasn't really 100% italian but yet still looked it!!) i haven't seen him post in a while though ohwell


I get it you're better than me because you're slightly less obsessed with organized crime. You only come on this site because you have a moderate but healthy interest in the subject.

I know for a fact that Delly's not talking about you, ItalianForever. We were BOTH referencing a poster who's obsessed with skin tone and ethnology. No sense bringing up his username, but I promise you it's not you smile.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 05:06 PM

After reading all the posts about the speculation of Joey's wealth,wasn't it pretty much documented that when he first got out he was basically getting perks[if that's the right word] from somebody that had a lot of money and was basically investing in Joey.In what form I don't know but wasn't he the one who got the car and townhouse for Joey?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
After reading all the posts about the speculation of Joey's wealth,wasn't it pretty much documented that when he first got out he was basically getting perks[if that's the right word] from somebody that had a lot of money and was basically investing in Joey.In what form I don't know but wasn't he the one who got the car and townhouse for Joey?

I can believe it, 22. It's amazing how many middle aged white collar types love to live vicariously through guys like Joey. Makes them feel tough wink .
Posted By: Holyoke

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 05:46 PM

All my married friends tell me they live vicariously through me. Only things that different from them is that I don't have to call anyone to say I'm going out for a beer and I go home to an empty bed :-)
Posted By: Massimo

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 05:57 PM

Hi there new here r u an expert of some sort?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/20/14 08:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Massimo
Hi there new here r u an expert of some sort?


Lol no far from it, I just happen to know a few things, welcome to the board buddy.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 12:13 PM

Yeah PB I hear you,I think it has come full circle with Joey,at one time the younger guys idolized him [George Anastasia used to call them ''sychophants'' something like that]they always paid his way and now like you say the older guys probably do it too.LeBron James just got most popular athelete,I think Joey would run away with the most popular mobster award.
Posted By: gram6814

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 01:31 PM

Actually I'd guess none of the Scarfo guys feel this way about him at all.

He was always just Chuckie's son and they all went away when Joey was in his early 20's, when he was just a kid to them.

Phil said he would have killed him himself if he wasn't Chuckie's son so that gives you an idea what they thought of him and how he behaved.
Posted By: Shunkstreetsoldier215

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 02:40 PM

Albert lancelotti married this weekend... A lot of guys there. No sign of Georgie anywhere.

Possible rift? Seems like Georgie has been shut out. Haven't seen or heard anything out of him.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 04:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Shunkstreetsoldier215
Albert lancelotti married this weekend... A lot of guys there. No sign of Georgie anywhere.

Possible rift? Seems like Georgie has been shut out. Haven't seen or heard anything out of him.


He's not allowed to associate with mobsters, terms of his parole.
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 05:35 PM

You can get exemptions for certain events.
Posted By: Itiswhatitis

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 05:58 PM

Honestly you guys, possible rift? Maybe for once the Philly group are using better judgment. Can you imagine George requesting "special permission" to attend the wedding of known associate/ member? C'mon even the newbies should be able to figure this out.
Posted By: Ted

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 07:07 PM

Exemptions are usually only given if a family member or really close friend is getting married (or dies).
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 07:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Exemptions are usually only given if a family member or really close friend is getting married (or dies).

And even then it's not guaranteed. It really depends on the PO's recommendation. The Judge will normally go by what he reads in the report. So be nice to your PO lol.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 10:50 PM

Yes I didn't mean Scarfo guys,I was mostly talking about wannabe's and guys on the fringe.Also when I say popular,look how much he's discussed on here,good or bad.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/21/14 10:53 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
Yes I didn't mean Scarfo guys,I was mostly talking about wannabe's and guys on the fringe.Also when I say popular,look how much he's discussed on here,good or bad.

I know what you mean, 22. But I'm trying to picture an old timer like Carlo Gambino or even a Vince Gigante living in the age of message boards. And reading that Joey Merlino was just voted "most popular gangster." lol lol
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:17 AM

And the ultimate irony is, Joey isnt even a gangster anymore.

Anyone who thinks he's checking his PO box for his kick as baws, whilst living off the perks off wannabee's, well, Joeys the only one laughing at that....

Joey may be many things. But he's done a 10 stretch and he loves the sun FAR to much to go back inside.

Joeseph Merlino in the 90's was a Philly heavy.

Those days are over.
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:42 AM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
And the ultimate irony is, Joey isnt even a gangster anymore.

Anyone who thinks he's checking his PO box for his kick as baws, whilst living off the perks off wannabee's, well, Joeys the only one laughing at that....

Joey may be many things. But he's done a 10 stretch and he loves the sun FAR to much to go back inside.

Joeseph Merlino in the 90's was a Philly heavy.

Those days are over.


He'll get locked up or indicted for some stupid shit somewhere along the way. I mean he's always taking free hand me outs maybe some GA Dave S or JuliE Brown should update on everyone's on Joey's flamboyant metro-sexual gangster lifestyle in boca lol
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Yankees1951
He'll get locked up or indicted for some stupid shit somewhere along the way.


And thats the point.

See the reason Joey didnt get done by Nicky Skins ISNT because he has this super rat detector machine, hell, Nicky was an old timer in the game longer than joey was alive, if you cant trust him...

He didnt get done because he's OUT.

People think he's a super gangster with a nose for a rat and a Fed.

He's an EX gangster who lives in Florida off his rep.

Thats Joey. Not a boss, a guy who did time and now chooses the sun over iron bars.

For once he's playing the right card. Philly lovers cant change that.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 09:25 AM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Yankees1951
He'll get locked up or indicted for some stupid shit somewhere along the way.


And thats the point.

See the reason Joey didnt get done by Nicky Skins ISNT because he has this super rat detector machine, hell, Nicky was an old timer in the game longer than joey was alive, if you cant trust him...

He didnt get done because he's OUT.

People think he's a super gangster with a nose for a rat and a Fed.

He's an EX gangster who lives in Florida off his rep.

Thats Joey. Not a boss, a guy who did time and now chooses the sun over iron bars.

For once he's playing the right card. Philly lovers cant change that.


Joey is smarter than people give him credit for, and he did have a pretty good nose for a rat. Skins tried to set him up, as well as that fat fuck Previte tried several times to get him on tape and couldn't.

And where is your information coming from that Joey is retired and no longer the boss when the last piece of information that was out there from the La Griglia tapes is that he was boss. Are you saying he went through all of that, just to retire as soon as he got out of jail.

I cannot stand when people pull shit out of their ass and state it as fact when all you are doing is making an assumption. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted By: tjonezee

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 10:49 AM

I've seen the Salvo brothers mentioned a bit in connection with Borgesi. I know David Salvo used to run a restaurant in Mannyunk and now down the shore. Was this guy inactive throughout Borgesis incarceration? I know he was uncle joe's bodyguard years ago. Is he a big deal these days or just a hanger-on type?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 10:56 AM

Has Borgesi been to Margate yet this Summer?

Surely that would be an accident waiting to happen if he "accidentally" bumped into a known associate. That would put him right back in stir.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 11:32 AM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Yankees1951
He'll get locked up or indicted for some stupid shit somewhere along the way.


And thats the point.

See the reason Joey didnt get done by Nicky Skins ISNT because he has this super rat detector machine, hell, Nicky was an old timer in the game longer than joey was alive, if you cant trust him...

He didnt get done because he's OUT.

People think he's a super gangster with a nose for a rat and a Fed.

He's an EX gangster who lives in Florida off his rep.

Thats Joey. Not a boss, a guy who did time and now chooses the sun over iron bars.

For once he's playing the right card. Philly lovers cant change that.


Didn't Skins only get made in the late 90's/early 2000's?
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 11:56 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino


Didn't Skins only get made in the late 90's/early 2000's?


According to all the articles yes, but he was a north jersey player for 40 years. Did alot of jail time and was with the luchese jersey faction and had to switch.

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Surely that would be an accident waiting to happen if he "accidentally" bumped into a known associate. That would put him right back in stir.


Alot of times wont the feds wait until right when your about to get off supervised and they hold a hearing citing you for all the times you associated and throw you back in the bing?
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 12:16 PM

Cheers IF.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 12:16 PM

Originally Posted By: ItalianForever
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

Surely that would be an accident waiting to happen if he "accidentally" bumped into a known associate. That would put him right back in stir.


Alot of times wont the feds wait until right when your about to get off supervised and they hold a hearing citing you for all the times you associated and throw you back in the bing?

Yeah, the Feds are famous for that. But the State does the same thing if they have a hard-on for you.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 12:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
I cannot stand when people pull shit out of their ass and state it as fact when all you are doing is making an assumption. Nothing more, nothing less.


And THATS the thing.

See you're assuming as much as I am. There's as much evidence that Merlino is still boss as that he's retired. Apart from ONE off the cuff remark 5 years ago there is ZERO evidence that Merlino is boss. ZERO.

Now what do YOU think is more logical, that Merlino's a super boss the likes LCN has never seen and smarter than EVERYONE? Or MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, when the guy walked out of prison after doing a dime n change decided he'd rather live his days getting a tan and living of his rep in BOCA?

So who's talking out of their ass now pal?
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:02 PM

Stop posting assumptions as facts. Especially sonny Blackstone. It is despicable and then.people take.it and run with it. PLEASE STOP. Also not that I.should have to even humor you but Joe ligambi on wiretap is a FACT
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:04 PM

Please just stop
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:07 PM

Come on, boys.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:10 PM

Just again in response to the B.S. . What money does he live off? He was confirmed boss before right? I'm sure anyone would love to tan on the beach.all day but.unfortunately you need money to live, especially a nice.lifestyle. also do people really think he's not.gonna say he.is.done??
Posted By: NNY78

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Yankees1951


He'll get locked up or indicted for some stupid shit somewhere along the way. I mean he's always taking free hand me outs maybe some GA Dave S or JuliE Brown should update on everyone's on Joey's flamboyant metro-sexual gangster lifestyle in boca lol


Joey may very well get locked up again for past deeds but it won't be for hanging out at the Delano, driving a leased SUV or posting selfies, now if Nicodemo or some other Philly wise guy flips then thats another story. I can't imagine Julie Brown writing another story on Joey after the last gossip piece she put out there and Joey calling her up and setting her straight. I think we can count on Schwratwieser printing something about Joey during the next Neilsen sweeps week in August,and I heard that Jose Lambiet is considering having sex with a woman in exchange for an exclusive on Joey's appearance at The Sons of Italy fundraiser on 26th. Here's a recap of what we know for sure so far tongue smile
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:30 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Just again in response to the B.S. . What money does he live off? He was confirmed boss before right? I'm sure anyone would love to tan on the beach.all day but.unfortunately you need money to live, especially a nice.lifestyle. also do people really think he's not.gonna say he.is.done??

Well, you know I don't have a dog in this fight, Mikey. But I'm intimately familiar with that area because I've been vacationing in Florida for most of my life, and I've owned a condo in nearby Delray Beach since '97.

So I'll just say this much: There are a LOT of people down there enamored with that lifestyle---and I'm talking about square professionals, like retired doctors and lawyers---who Joey could sponge off of if that was his style (and I have no idea if it is).

So I'm not saying that's the case. But a $400,000 condo or townhouse in Boca isn't really anything special, especially where he's living. Someone told me he lives over by Broken Sound near Spanish River. That's not exactly Ocean Boulevard. So it's not like he's Al Capone living on Palm Island.

But again, Philly isn't my area of expertise, and I'm always quick to point that out. But I am familiar with Palm Beach County real estate, so I thought I'd post smile.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:42 PM

My guess, and its just a guess, is that Merlino will end up in prison anyway for all of the dirt he has done in the past.
Posted By: mightyhealthy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 01:47 PM

The guy was in a mob war in the mid 90s and only served ten years or whatever, that's pretty damn fortunate
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 02:31 PM

Dude has a job down there and maybe owns the business which is in flooring not sure on the type or level of flooring he has but real estate and building is on the rebound in florida so it could be a cash cow business he has... and he probably sold his house in s philly for a few $$ plus some mason jars buried here and there... maybe he took betting advice from floyd mayweather last year and won a few ducats that way too
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 02:34 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Stop posting assumptions as facts. Especially sonny Blackstone. It is despicable and then.people take.it and run with it. PLEASE STOP. Also not that I.should have to even humor you but Joe ligambi on wiretap is a FACT


See Mikey, thing is, EVERYTHING in this thread about joey, Borgesi and "Tony Philly cheesesteak" are assumptions pal.

You have as much idea if Joeys the current boss as I do or ANYBODY does. And unless you're a made guy in Philly, and amazingly not in the can, it's ALL SPECULATION.

I just use Logic when I do my speculating.
That's the diff.

And AS I SAID, one off the cuff remark at a dinner table 5 years ago isn't exactly overwhelming evidence.

But I've said my piece. Time will tell.
Posted By: dsbaloo

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 02:57 PM

Unless you considering having a job sitting on a nice boat drinking beers with your friends and family, he aint working.. Cause that's all I've seen, and I've seen enough.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 03:01 PM

I sent you an email. Dsbaloo.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
Unless you considering having a job sitting on a nice boat drinking beers with your friends and family, he aint working.. Cause that's all I've seen, and I've seen enough.


Nah bro!

His mob retirement fund was full so he was allowed to retire!

That is how he has money for fancy cars, boats, houses, and expensive restaurants every night all while not having a job.

He fought those internal wars, and did all that time for nothing!

<end sarcasm>

whistle
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 03:54 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Just again in response to the B.S. . What money does he live off? He was confirmed boss before right? I'm sure anyone would love to tan on the beach.all day but.unfortunately you need money to live, especially a nice.lifestyle. also do people really think he's not.gonna say he.is.done??

Well, you know I don't have a dog in this fight, Mikey. But I'm intimately familiar with that area because I've been vacationing in Florida for most of my life, and I've owned a condo in nearby Delray Beach since '97.

So I'll just say this much: There are a LOT of people down there enamored with that lifestyle---and I'm talking about square professionals, like retired doctors and lawyers---who Joey could sponge off of if that was his style (and I have no idea if it is).

So I'm not saying that's the case. But a $400,000 condo or townhouse in Boca isn't really anything special, especially where he's living. Someone told me he lives over by Broken Sound near Spanish River. That's not exactly Ocean Boulevard. So it's not like he's Al Capone living on Palm Island.

But again, Philly isn't my area of expertise, and I'm always quick to point that out. But I am familiar with Palm Beach County real estate, so I thought I'd post smile.



And that COULD be the case.

But the last piece of evidence we have via the feds/wiretap, stated that Joey was the boss. And it makes no LOGICAL sense that he would have given up the crown.

And it is absolutely no coincidence that it is Merlinos right hand man acting on the street right now.

Not only that, people in Philly with people that know some of the players on the RD have echo'd the same sentiments.
Posted By: ItalianForever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Cheers IF.


No problem Tommy. Yes skins is an interesting case because he was very well connected in North Jersey for a long time. So much so that he was able to set up a meeting with the philly guys and several guys from the gambinos including a admin guy and a capo. Some schmuck off the streets would not likely be able to get these guys out of their mouse holes for that type of meeting. Not in this day and age.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 09:52 PM

To be honest I wouldn't even begin to speculate whether he is still involved,one thing for sure about Joey is that he is a survivor.A lot of times he just comes out smelling like a rose.He's been shot at,done time,beat some pretty heavy charges,tried to be set-up,survived the wars back in the 90's, and he looks like he hasn't missed a beat,no health issues,and he's his own man just does how he see's fit.all of those are facts.
Posted By: njcapo35

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 09:54 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
To be honest I wouldn't even begin to speculate whether he is still involved,one thing for sure about Joey is that he is a survivor.A lot of times he just comes out smelling like a rose.He's been shot at,done time,beat some pretty heavy charges,tried to be set-up,survived the wars back in the 90's, and he looks like he hasn't missed a beat,no health issues,and he's his own man just does how he see's fit.all of those are facts.
True statement there 22, can't deny that about him.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
To be honest I wouldn't even begin to speculate whether he is still involved,one thing for sure about Joey is that he is a survivor.A lot of times he just comes out smelling like a rose.He's been shot at,done time,beat some pretty heavy charges,tried to be set-up,survived the wars back in the 90's, and he looks like he hasn't missed a beat,no health issues,and he's his own man just does how he see's fit.all of those are facts.

Unless Nicodemo rolls and puts him inside for life whistle.

But seriously, I don't know much about him. But I tend to agree, 22. The guy IS a survivor smile .
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 10:06 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
To be honest I wouldn't even begin to speculate whether he is still involved,one thing for sure about Joey is that he is a survivor.A lot of times he just comes out smelling like a rose.He's been shot at,done time,beat some pretty heavy charges,tried to be set-up,survived the wars back in the 90's, and he looks like he hasn't missed a beat,no health issues,and he's his own man just does how he see's fit.all of those are facts.
Originally Posted By: njcapo35
Originally Posted By: 22
To be honest I wouldn't even begin to speculate whether he is still involved,one thing for sure about Joey is that he is a survivor.A lot of times he just comes out smelling like a rose.He's been shot at,done time,beat some pretty heavy charges,tried to be set-up,survived the wars back in the 90's, and he looks like he hasn't missed a beat,no health issues,and he's his own man just does how he see's fit.all of those are facts.
True statement there 22, can't deny that about him.


Damn you guys really got a mancrush on Joey ...lol
Posted By: njcapo35

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 10:24 PM

Uh... Hmm.. let me think here a second for you and that pea brain your working with there...This is the first time i ever commented on him and for the record the statement 22 presented is totally true...He is a stand up guy...Been threw it all and still standing on solid ground...So the man crush comment, def wasn't called for pal!
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 10:35 PM

Originally Posted By: njcapo35
Uh... Hmm.. let me think here a second for you and that pea brain your working with there...This is the first time i ever commented on him and for the record the statement 22 presented is totally true...He is a stand up guy...Been threw it all and still standing on solid ground...So the man crush comment, def wasn't called for pal!


Save me your emoticons the stuff he mentioned is nothing to be proud of and even though fact why glorify it
Posted By: njcapo35

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 10:57 PM

Nobody's glorifying anything...I'm not trying to fight with You or Anybody on here, but this is a GANGSTER(Mafia)Forum and you talk about Mafia related topics. So that being said for a person like himself deserves to be acknowledged as a stand up guy and a survivor, for being in that life he chose ,that's all i'm saying....Weird Science ...Simple Math....Cincin
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 11:04 PM

Originally Posted By: njcapo35
Nobody's glorifying anything...I'm not trying to fight with You or Anybody on here, but this is a GANGSTER(Mafia)Forum and you talk about Mafia related topics. So that being said for a person like himself deserves to be acknowledged as a stand up guy and a survivor, for being in that life he chose ,that's all i'm saying....Weird Science ...Simple Math....Cincin


"Hate it or Love it Joey's on Top..." - 50
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/22/14 11:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
And it makes no LOGICAL sense that he would have given up the crown.


Correct. Because not wanting to go to prison for the rest of your life is illogical.
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 12:28 AM

Some a yous guys really amuse me with this shit... mama mia!
Posted By: marine

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 01:19 AM

end sarcasm ok I will.. money by never paying back bookies he owed.. and restaurant owners for those freee meals.. HE EARNED that money...the money he got from the armored truck heist.. HE EARNED that money.. The coke sales in west philly and in chester with the jbm, ohh yea I forgot he Earned that money also.. you are right you can Earn good retirement money from these opportunities.. Can you pin point me in a direction so I can start to save for retirement?? And joey did time for nothing.. Now do you have an autographed signed pair of knee pads wit joeys name on them..?? You might kneed to wipe you chin now, being were talkin bout yo boy joey
Posted By: marine

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 01:38 AM

survivor yes like many of us.. but 70% easier when you lie cheat steal and murder your way..in great shape yes.. not a good mob guy reasons... he steals, he stuck up a man at a casino for his winnings.. Had a bartenders head flushed down a toilet caused he touched joeys money at the bar to early.. and he never never pays his debts, and how other dummies pay his way got me confused.. you got me on that one.....
Posted By: marine

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 01:42 AM

You like joey on top wit you down below ohhhh believe me we can see that... just keep that chin wiped kiddo and those joey merlino signed knee pads strapped on tight... we don't want you to fall off the ride this summer following joey around..
Posted By: mackinblack007

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 02:41 AM

Originally Posted By: 22
To be honest I wouldn't even begin to speculate whether he is still involved,one thing for sure about Joey is that he is a survivor.A lot of times he just comes out smelling like a rose.He's been shot at,done time,beat some pretty heavy charges,tried to be set-up,survived the wars back in the 90's, and he looks like he hasn't missed a beat,no health issues,and he's his own man just does how he see's fit.all of those are facts.
Bruno dead, Testa Dead, Scarfo life in prison, Stanfa life in prison, Joey living in florida tanning, and smoking cigars, he must be doing something right. where are all the people who crossed him?dead, in jail, or witness protection, those are facts period.
Posted By: Ted

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 04:31 AM

Originally Posted By: marine
Had a bartenders head flushed down a toilet caused he touched joeys money at the bar to early...

What the hell are you talking about?
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 07:34 AM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
And it makes no LOGICAL sense that he would have given up the crown.


Correct. Because not wanting to go to prison for the rest of your life is illogical.


You seem like one of those guys from overseas...what country you from?

Either somewhere like France...

Or if you are from the states, Alabama?

How close am I?

whistle
Posted By: EVL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 09:44 AM

You guys crack me up. You think it's a supernatural event to have street sources. A blog is by definition full of shit, you all think. I just want headlines. I've been a professional journalist for 25 years, covering the mob on my blog for four years. You honestly think I'd make stuff up? Sources, etc.? Every newspaper and blog uses anonymous sources. Capeci does. My sources obviously don't want to be named but that does not mean I don't know who they are; I do know and if I deem them creditable I use them otherwise I dont. Boy do I wish I could name them. People in all walks of life have an inherent desire to talk about their lives. With the mob, this is no exception -- who better to talk stuff over with? Just curious, where are you all from? I'm on Long Island.
Posted By: EVL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 09:49 AM

I wonder that too. The Crown. A bunch of Brits think they can sit on their island and tell me in New York what's what. You guys are out of the loop. You read one book and you understand a guy like Paulie Gulino.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 09:53 AM

Originally Posted By: EVL
You guys crack me up. You think it's a supernatural event to have street sources. A blog is by definition full of shit, you all think. I just want headlines. I've been a professional journalist for 25 years, covering the mob on my blog for four years. You honestly think I'd make stuff up? Sources, etc.? Every newspaper and blog uses anonymous sources. Capeci does. My sources obviously don't want to be named but that does not mean I don't know who they are; I do know and if I deem them creditable I use them otherwise I dont. Boy do I wish I could name them. People in all walks of life have an inherent desire to talk about their lives. With the mob, this is no exception -- who better to talk stuff over with? Just curious, where are you all from? I'm on Long Island.


Did you honestly just compare yourself to Capeci? haha

Thing is, Jerry's sources are usually on point. Otherwise he doesn't use them to make outlandish claims, and if he does(which is very rare), he is man enough to admit it.

Your sources were full of it on the Borgesi thing. Why can you not admit when you are wrong?

It's like when Pizzaboy called you out on Frankie Cali's age, and you refused to change it or admit wrong doing. I am glad Scott called you out in his latest write up. Someone needed to do it.

Borgesi scratching his head regarding boss report, Philly wiseguy trying not to make waves

Good ole’ Georgie Boy was just as shocked reading the news about himself, as most of those who were reading it about him were.

Last week, in a story on CoasNostraNews.com that has since been revised, George (Georgie Boy) Borgesi, the-recently released from prison 50-year old Philadelphia mafia stalwart was named the new boss of the Philly mob. Borgesi, the nephew of don Joseph (Uncle Joe) Ligambi, reached out to multiple people in the Pennsylvania and New Jersey media, expressing his dismay and confusion with the report that he deemed false, wondering where Coasnostranews' sources were getting their information.

Despite his pedigree and gangster past, the Philly mafia’s one-time consigliere is desperately trying to keep a low profile on the heels of his dozen-year plus trip to the can that came to an end a few months back.

The original printing of the story reported that Borgesi was using mob associates and brothers Mike and Stevie Salvo (roofers union) as his main proxies on the street, “grabbing everything back that was his before he went to jail” and taking over for the retiring Ligambi.

In January, Borgesi was sprung from federal prison after a 13-year stay on racketeering charges coupled with his beating further mafia-related charges alongside his uncle that came his way as he was about to be released from his 2000 conviction.

Ligambi and his nephew both beat the racketeering case twice at trial, most recently earlier this year, via hung-juries and acquittals.

Underworld sources in South Philly tell the Mob Insider that Ligambi is the syndicate’s current consigliere and Borgesi “might be able to get his stripes back as a capo or Ligambi’s replacement in his old post in the future, but for now, he’s merely a soldier.”

The sources peg Joseph (Skinny Joey) Merlino, convicted with Georgie Boy back in 2000, as boss of the crime family, ruling from afar in South Florida, relying on street boss Steven (Handsome Stevie) Mazzone and underboss John (Johnny Chang) Ciangalini to handle day-to-day affairs in Pennsylvania.

Borgesi is re-entering the Philadelphia mob at a delicate juncture right now, as multiple factions and eras jockey for position in a possible powder keg of a local gangland scene.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 09:55 AM

And I am not attacking you EVL. But when you are wrong, you are wrong.

As I have said before, I find your cosa nostra blog, to be one of my favorites to read. You just seem to be a little hard headed, thats all.

As an aside...Sonny Blackstein from across the pond...yet another reputable source with sources IN PHILLY, in regards to Joey's status...

Underworld sources in South Philly tell the Mob Insider that Ligambi is the syndicate’s current consigliere and Borgesi “might be able to get his stripes back as a capo or Ligambi’s replacement in his old post in the future, but for now, he’s merely a soldier.”

The sources peg Joseph (Skinny Joey) Merlino, convicted with Georgie Boy back in 2000, as boss of the crime family, ruling from afar in South Florida, relying on street boss Steven (Handsome Stevie) Mazzone and underboss John (Johnny Chang) Ciangalini to handle day-to-day affairs in Pennsylvania.
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:14 AM

Ted - The poster "marine" may come off a little nutty, but what he's saying is believable if you were in Joey Merlino's orbit back when he was partying it up in the 90s on Delaware avenue and in Margate. It was hard not to see him out because he was constantly at all the hot spots and he was treated like a celebrity.

Point is, there are a bunch of incidents like this. Using money that wasn't his, taking jewelery off of people, having his goombah's rough people up for no good reason. Some people on this board likely witnessed his antics first-hand.

As for whether he is boss, if he still is, then our FBI/Police are really off their game because that money kicked up to him just doesn't magically appear without any kind of paper trail, delivery/courier service, etc. Not in this day and age; especially if they are watching him like a hawk.



Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: marine
Had a bartenders head flushed down a toilet caused he touched joeys money at the bar to early...

What the hell are you talking about?
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:25 AM

Yankees 1951 like I said I was just stating what's known anyway,I do not idolize him but like most posters agreed its just the way it is.Nobody is glorifying anything,if your on a baseball blog you talk about baseball,this is a mafia blog and this is what these guys do.I mean come on in this life you got brothers going after brothers,families split,violence,this is what these guys do.Joey is no different than any of the other guys.Again this is their life when they want somebody whacked they don't say ''hey can you do me a favor and hit this guy'' they say ''hit him or we will hit you''.I know you know that,its just the way it is.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
It's like when Pizzaboy called you out on Frankie Cali's age, and you refused to change it or admit wrong doing.

It was actually Cefalu's age, BlackJack2121. No biggie, but just to clarify.

Originally Posted By: EVL
Just curious, where are you all from? I'm on Long Island.

I'm in the Bronx for 55 years. Originally Belmont, now Throggs Neck. Today we also live in Florida part time smile.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:31 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
It's like when Pizzaboy called you out on Frankie Cali's age, and you refused to change it or admit wrong doing.

It was actually Cefalu's age, BlackJack2121. No biggie, but just to clarify.

Originally Posted By: EVL
Just curious, where are you all from? I'm on Long Island.

I'm in the Bronx for 55 years. Originally Belmont, now Throggs Neck. Today we also live in Florida part time smile.


Oops my fault
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:55 AM

@Blackjack

Alabama? Across the pond? Nice.
Wrong, but nice.

Didn't realise you had local sources on the ground in Philly wink

And speaking of 'underworld sources' well, EVL 'had his' when he called Borgesi sitting in the big chair, so you'll excuse me if I need a little more.

Oh, and Domwoods, one of this boards most knowledgeable posters lives in England.
Sorry for ruining your point.

But, as said, I've stated my piece.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 11:09 AM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
@Blackjack

Alabama? Across the pond? Nice.
Wrong, but nice.

Didn't realise you had local sources on the ground in Philly wink

And speaking of 'underworld sources' well, EVL 'had his' when he called Borgesi sitting in the big chair, so you'll excuse me if I need a little more.

Oh, and Domwoods, one of this boards most knowledgeable posters lives in England.
Sorry for ruining your point.

But, as said, I've stated my piece.


Can you please point out to me where I EVER said I HAD SOURCES on the ground in philly?

I referred to the people that do have sources in philly, not myself, pal.
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 11:16 AM

Originally Posted By: 22
Yankees 1951 like I said I was just stating what's known anyway,I do not idolize him but like most posters agreed its just the way it is.Nobody is glorifying anything,if your on a baseball blog you talk about baseball,this is a mafia blog and this is what these guys do.I mean come on in this life you got brothers going after brothers,families split,violence,this is what these guys do.Joey is no different than any of the other guys.Again this is their life when they want somebody whacked they don't say ''hey can you do me a favor and hit this guy'' they say ''hit him or we will hit you''.I know you know that,its just the way it is.


I know what it is back in the late80's I was indicted for Bookmaking Extortion and Attempted Murder luckily I was only charged for running a book...Yeah the only thing I wanna be hitting is some twenty-five year old blonde that's fresh
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 11:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Can you please point out to me where I EVER said I HAD SOURCES on the ground in philly?


Yeah, you missed the point there.

It was in response to your stupid post about where I'm from. As if location matters. The only time it does is if you're not only IN Philly but connected. Because otherwise no one knows anymore than anyone else on these boards.

Hence the comment about you having sources.

I think it's also interesting how you accept one unidentified 'source' over another. When it suits your argument that is.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 12:14 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Can you please point out to me where I EVER said I HAD SOURCES on the ground in philly?


Yeah, you missed the point there.

It was in response to your stupid post about where I'm from. As if location matters. The only time it does is if you're not only IN Philly but connected. Because otherwise no one knows anymore than anyone else on these boards.

Hence the comment about you having sources.

I think it's also interesting how you accept one unidentified 'source' over another. When it suits your argument that is.


You would know all about stupid posts.

Okay.

Back to your Alabama farm to tend to the livestock.

Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 12:22 PM

Hey I take offense to the Alabama post. As far as I know I'm the only hick from Alabama on this board! lol
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 12:40 PM

Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Hey I take offense to the Alabama post. As far as I know I'm the only hick from Alabama on this board! lol


haha my bad man!

I meant Oklahoma!

Better?

smile
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Back to your Alabama farm to tend to the livestock.


Awwww name calling.
Way to win the argument pal wink
You've done well.


An aside, 'George Beorgesi boss of Philly' thread now at 11 pages of posts?
What is this board coming too!
We must be bored.

Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 01:52 PM

Yankees 1951 that's the way to go now,I hear you.Lol
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Back to your Alabama farm to tend to the livestock.


Awwww name calling.
Way to win the argument pal wink
You've done well.


An aside, 'George Beorgesi boss of Philly' thread now at 11 pages of posts?
What is this board coming too!
We must be bored.



You started by throwing insults and suggesting I was stupid.

If you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

shhh
Posted By: Ted

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 06:15 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein


An aside, 'George Beorgesi boss of Philly' thread now at 11 pages of posts?
What is this board coming too!
We must be bored.

Less mob activity and less LE investigations over the years have slowed this place down a bit.
Posted By: Parisi

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 06:55 PM

It's a snowball effect, essentially. Certain posters like to debate about trivial topics until they're blue in the face; those who are proven incorrect often take it personally and retort with childish name calling instead of intelligent debate IMO.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 09:20 PM

http://www.gorillaconvict.com/2011/10/the-sixth-family-by-robert-rosso-2/

Has anyone ever read this story on John Stanfa from prison?
Posted By: gram6814

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 09:24 PM

DM I bought Alabama on a future bet in Vegas to win the national championship this year. I got it at 7 - 1. I figured WTF when are you going to get a horse like that for that price? Do you like the bet? Other than the QB unknown it's the best roster in CFB. And I had McIlroy at the British @ 15 -1 same premise that kind of horse St that kind of price I got lucky.
Posted By: EVL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:20 PM

Joseph Isgro -- know him? He was arrested in LA last week, no bail, no charges, for New York allegations. You won't find that reported anywhere. How do I know? I'm in New York yet I know about it. How? Your goddamn right I have street sources in Philly, New York, Chicago and Florida.I stand by my story and anyone who wants to debate this let me know. I got someone's age wrong? Okay I got an age wrong, I apologize and will fix it. I don't apologize for what my sources tell you. And if you use Crowns, you're a Brit. You know who I'm talking about. I don't pick fights but when someone goes for my credibility, I go for the throat.

Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:26 PM

No offense pal but if your street sources are tellin you Borgesi's the boss, you might want new 'sources'.

Throat or not wink
Posted By: EVL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:33 PM

Someone posted a link to this discussion in the comments section of my blog. The person apparently was promoting my original story and not the revised version I posted later that day. I wrote REVISED in the headline but apparently he didn't see that. Amazing, posting revised stories. Updates, revises are posted all the time, in fact. The reason is you follow the story. I don't take a position and defend it. I defend the process. Yeah, I'm getting sick of this too.
Posted By: EVL

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:34 PM

You didn't even read the story! I get it now.
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:39 PM

Originally Posted By: EVL
I wonder that too. The Crown. A bunch of Brits think they can sit on their island and tell me in New York what's what. You guys are out of the loop. You read one book and you understand a guy like Paulie Gulino.


What about Paulie?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:51 PM

Originally Posted By: EVL
Joseph Isgro -- know him? He was arrested in LA last week, no bail, no charges, for New York allegations. You won't find that reported anywhere. How do I know? I'm in New York yet I know about it. How? Your goddamn right I have street sources in Philly, New York, Chicago and Florida.I stand by my story and anyone who wants to debate this let me know. I got someone's age wrong? Okay I got an age wrong, I apologize and will fix it. I don't apologize for what my sources tell you. And if you use Crowns, you're a Brit. You know who I'm talking about. I don't pick fights but when someone goes for my credibility, I go for the throat.

I always make it a point to say that I know nothing about Philly when I post in those threads. But when I post about New York, and more specifically the Bronx, I only post what I believe to be true, and I post it with confidence. And when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I think we only expect the same from you. That's all.

I don't read your blog. Maybe I'll give it a try now that I have an excuse. And I have no ax to grind with you. But if you're going to be in a creative field, you really have to be open to criticism. That's my two cents.
Posted By: Ted

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 10:53 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
Ted - The poster "marine" may come off a little nutty, but what he's saying is believable if you were in Joey Merlino's orbit back when he was partying it up in the 90s on Delaware avenue and in Margate. It was hard not to see him out because he was constantly at all the hot spots and he was treated like a celebrity.

Point is, there are a bunch of incidents like this. Using money that wasn't his, taking jewelery off of people, having his goombah's rough people up for no good reason. Some people on this board likely witnessed his antics first-hand.

As for whether he is boss, if he still is, then our FBI/Police are really off their game because that money kicked up to him just doesn't magically appear without any kind of paper trail, delivery/courier service, etc. Not in this day and age; especially if they are watching him like a hawk.



Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: marine
Had a bartenders head flushed down a toilet caused he touched joeys money at the bar to early...

What the hell are you talking about?

I seriously doubt Merlino had someone's head cut off and flushed down a toilet (if for no other reason than that a human head won't fit down a toilet). It's probably just rumors made up on the street by Merlino's people or fanboys. Then again, I don't the details of Merlino's past, so if you have any proof I will admit being wrong.
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/23/14 11:04 PM

Originally Posted By: EVL
Joseph Isgro -- know him? He was arrested in LA last week, no bail, no charges, for New York allegations. You won't find that reported anywhere. How do I know? I'm in New York yet I know about it. How? Your goddamn right I have street sources in Philly, New York, Chicago and Florida.I stand by my story and anyone who wants to debate this let me know. I got someone's age wrong? Okay I got an age wrong, I apologize and will fix it. I don't apologize for what my sources tell you. And if you use Crowns, you're a Brit. You know who I'm talking about. I don't pick fights but when someone goes for my credibility, I go for the throat.



You can easily look that up in court dockets that are updated daily on certain sites that won't show up in a google search. You ever watch the movie shattered glass maybe you should!
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 04:43 AM

Gimme a break. If you had credible sources then people would know about your website.
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 04:53 AM

Oh and I almost forgot... 22 is a jerk-off.
Posted By: Yankees1951

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 05:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
Ted - The poster "marine" may come off a little nutty, but what he's saying is believable if you were in Joey Merlino's orbit back when he was partying it up in the 90s on Delaware avenue and in Margate. It was hard not to see him out because he was constantly at all the hot spots and he was treated like a celebrity.

Point is, there are a bunch of incidents like this. Using money that wasn't his, taking jewelery off of people, having his goombah's rough people up for no good reason. Some people on this board likely witnessed his antics first-hand.

As for whether he is boss, if he still is, then our FBI/Police are really off their game because that money kicked up to him just doesn't magically appear without any kind of paper trail, delivery/courier service, etc. Not in this day and age; especially if they are watching him like a hawk.



Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: marine
Had a bartenders head flushed down a toilet caused he touched joeys money at the bar to early...

What the hell are you talking about?

I seriously doubt Merlino had someone's head cut off and flushed down a toilet (if for no other reason than that a human head won't fit down a toilet). It's probably just rumors made up on the street by Merlino's people or fanboys. Then again, I don't the details of Merlino's past, so if you have any proof I will admit being wrong.


Ted I don't think he meant it literally.... they probably gave him a "swirly" they probably pulled his head up n down up n down playing gangster...after watching some gangster movies they got the Idea. I don't think they could afford a lion like sonny black to intimidate people
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 07:15 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: EVL
Joseph Isgro -- know him? He was arrested in LA last week, no bail, no charges, for New York allegations. You won't find that reported anywhere. How do I know? I'm in New York yet I know about it. How? Your goddamn right I have street sources in Philly, New York, Chicago and Florida.I stand by my story and anyone who wants to debate this let me know. I got someone's age wrong? Okay I got an age wrong, I apologize and will fix it. I don't apologize for what my sources tell you. And if you use Crowns, you're a Brit. You know who I'm talking about. I don't pick fights but when someone goes for my credibility, I go for the throat.

I always make it a point to say that I know nothing about Philly when I post in those threads. But when I post about New York, and more specifically the Bronx, I only post what I believe to be true, and I post it with confidence. And when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I think we only expect the same from you. That's all.

I don't read your blog. Maybe I'll give it a try now that I have an excuse. And I have no ax to grind with you. But if you're going to be in a creative field, you really have to be open to criticism. That's my two cents.


Exactly.

You can't get mad at people for calling you out on something that was obviously wrong, because he had to revise the entire story.

So I am not sure how he is so heartily defending his sources...when his sources fed him pure shit and he ate it with a happy grin and wrote an article around the false information.
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 08:11 AM

Ted - you're joking right? I mean come on... Chopped a bartenders head off and flushed it down a toilet? Flip me over I'm done... You are a jerk-off.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 08:21 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
Ted - The poster "marine" may come off a little nutty, but what he's saying is believable if you were in Joey Merlino's orbit back when he was partying it up in the 90s on Delaware avenue and in Margate. It was hard not to see him out because he was constantly at all the hot spots and he was treated like a celebrity.

Point is, there are a bunch of incidents like this. Using money that wasn't his, taking jewelery off of people, having his goombah's rough people up for no good reason. Some people on this board likely witnessed his antics first-hand.

As for whether he is boss, if he still is, then our FBI/Police are really off their game because that money kicked up to him just doesn't magically appear without any kind of paper trail, delivery/courier service, etc. Not in this day and age; especially if they are watching him like a hawk.



Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: marine
Had a bartenders head flushed down a toilet caused he touched joeys money at the bar to early...

What the hell are you talking about?


Yeah, Merlino would use a fucking courier service to have illicit money sent to him.

Or maybe he uses fedex, and on the memo line they put "Joey's share from crime!"

I am sure some associate/friend like wags who travels from philly to florida to visit his pal Joey wouldn't be an easier way.

eek
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeHarry
Ted - you're joking right? I mean come on... Chopped a bartenders head off and flushed it down a toilet? Flip me over I'm done... You are a jerk-off.


lmao

I think he meant a "swirlie"

I cracked up when I read that too, but Joey was known as a prick. I think I know the incident he is talking about, but I don't know if they flushed the guys head or just slapped him around for taking Joey's money off the bar that was sitting there and assuming it was for his tab...

But Joey never paid his own tab.
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 08:33 AM

Haha I don't know if he did... I know what the original poster meant. Courier service comment is ridiculous too... I'm hitting the diner I'm 'stah-vin'.
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 09:27 AM

Yeah, i meant that he has the money delivered to him on a silver platter like I'm a jerk-off. What I meant was that if a bunch of people who follow the mob for a hobby NOT A JOB, can postulate how the money gets to him, why the fuck can't the Law???

Wags musta dug a tunnel to florida. Either that, or the FBI has checked out Merlino's income sources and are either: satisfied he's letting some rich guy pay is way or they are gonna Al Capone him in the future.

And as far as him being a jerkoff, not paying tabs, fucking people over, I saw it on more than 1 occassion. He and I are the same age and from the same area. Like I said, you couldn't help but run into those guys.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 09:45 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
Yeah, i meant that he has the money delivered to him on a silver platter like I'm a jerk-off. What I meant was that if a bunch of people who follow the mob for a hobby NOT A JOB, can postulate how the money gets to him, why the fuck can't the Law???

Wags musta dug a tunnel to florida. Either that, or the FBI has checked out Merlino's income sources and are either: satisfied he's letting some rich guy pay is way or they are gonna Al Capone him in the future.

And as far as him being a jerkoff, not paying tabs, fucking people over, I saw it on more than 1 occassion. He and I are the same age and from the same area. Like I said, you couldn't help but run into those guys.


I mean, they can postulate how he gets the money all they want...

Just like they can suspect someone of a murder...

Suspect someone of making book...

You still gotta prove everything.

I wonder if he plans to return to Philly once his restrictions or up.

His best bet is to stay parked even after he is off parole. Feds will have a hard on for this guy for the rest of his life.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 09:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Feds will have a hard on for this guy for the rest of his life.

Yup. And if he IS back in the game, they'll eventually indict him for something. That's just the way it goes.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Feds will have a hard on for this guy for the rest of his life.

Yup. And if he IS back in the game, they'll eventually indict him for something. That's just the way it goes.


Yep. Even if he isn't boss, it won't matter to the feds.

I remember the one guy from New England, I dont remember if it was Luigi Manocchio, had been retired for years and was living in Florida and the feds nailed him for an old extortion.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: gram6814
DM I bought Alabama on a future bet in Vegas to win the national championship this year. I got it at 7 - 1. I figured WTF when are you going to get a horse like that for that price? Do you like the bet? Other than the QB unknown it's the best roster in CFB. And I had McIlroy at the British @ 15 -1 same premise that kind of horse St that kind of price I got lucky.


That might not be a bad bet. We'll be in the thick of it for sure. I still think next year is our BEST shot, but Coker will more than likely be our QB for this year and next. The biggest question will be our CB's.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 02:59 PM

Yo Handsome Harry what's your problem.I hardly ever post,I'm not a fanboy,most posters agreed with me on my last post,and I never really had an issue with anyone on here.So if you want to tell me why you think I'm a jerkoff feel free,if not so be it.Never even directed a sentence towards you.Give my opinions and I never ever thought they were confrontational.I stated facts that people already know.There's no need to even defend myself so that's it.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 03:02 PM

To you Ted that incident about flushing a head down the toilet was not a real head.It was a dispute at a bar when the bartender suppostley touched Joey's money thinking he was paying.His guys apparantley jumped the guy and they took him in the bathroom and I guess put his and in the hopper and hit the flush button.That's how its described in one of George's books.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 03:10 PM

Enough of this crap. Ted and 22 are both long time posters who never antagonize anyone. Get it back on track now, guys smile.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 04:10 PM

Wow did't even realize he called Ted a ''jerkoff''also.Best I just let this go for now.He's definetley not worth it.
Posted By: scottburn

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 05:18 PM

Below is a little reaction by George Borgsei on the recent news of him ascending to boss of the philly mob. This is part of a weekly north American mob column I (Scott Burnstein) will be launching next month (i.e. this is the kind of stuff you'll be getting)

Good ole’ Georgie Boy was just as shocked reading the news about himself, as most of those who were reading it about him were.

Last week, in a story on CoasNostraNews.com that has since been revised, George (Georgie Boy) Borgesi, the-recently released from prison 50-year old Philadelphia mafia stalwart was named the new boss of the Philly mob. Borgesi, the nephew of don Joseph (Uncle Joe) Ligambi, reached out to multiple people in the Pennsylvania and New Jersey media, expressing his dismay and confusion with the report that he deemed false, wondering where Coasnostranews' sources were getting their information.

Despite his pedigree and gangster past, the Philly mafia’s one-time consigliere is desperately trying to keep a low profile on the heels of his dozen-year plus trip to the can that came to an end a few months back.

The original printing of the story reported that Borgesi was using mob associates and brothers Mike and Stevie Salvo (roofers union) as his main proxies on the street, “grabbing everything back that was his before he went to jail” and taking over for the retiring Ligambi.

In January, Borgesi was sprung from federal prison after a 13-year stay on racketeering charges coupled with his beating further mafia-related charges alongside his uncle that came his way as he was about to be released from his 2000 conviction.

Ligambi and his nephew both beat the racketeering case twice at trial, most recently earlier this year, via hung-juries and acquittals.

Underworld sources in South Philly tell the Mob Insider that Ligambi is the syndicate’s current consigliere and Borgesi “might be able to get his stripes back as a capo or Ligambi’s replacement in his old post in the future, but for now, he’s merely a soldier.”

The sources peg Joseph (Skinny Joey) Merlino, convicted with Georgie Boy back in 2000, as boss of the crime family, ruling from afar in South Florida, relying on street boss Steven (Handsome Stevie) Mazzone and underboss John (Johnny Chang) Ciangalini to handle day-to-day affairs in Pennsylvania.

Borgesi is re-entering the Philadelphia mob at a delicate juncture right now, as multiple factions and eras jockey for position in a possible powder keg of a local gangland scene.
Posted By: NNY78

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 05:21 PM

Thanks Scott great read!
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 06:20 PM

I bet what's his name on CosaNostraNews is feeling like the hind side of a mule right about now....
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: dixiemafia
Originally Posted By: gram6814
DM I bought Alabama on a future bet in Vegas to win the national championship this year. I got it at 7 - 1. I figured WTF when are you going to get a horse like that for that price? Do you like the bet? Other than the QB unknown it's the best roster in CFB. And I had McIlroy at the British @ 15 -1 same premise that kind of horse St that kind of price I got lucky.


That might not be a bad bet. We'll be in the thick of it for sure. I still think next year is our BEST shot, but Coker will more than likely be our QB for this year and next. The biggest question will be our CB's.


I don't even wanna know what we were going off at... frown
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 10:50 PM

does the philly mob make enough money for all their heavies to be outta jail
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
does the philly mob make enough money for all their heavies to be outta jail


Do you wonder that if you ask enough stupid questions, when you ask a serious one people wont give a sh*t?

There's a parable about a boy who cried wolf you should read....



Actually being serious here cook. Think about it.
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 11:06 PM

Ted & 22 - I apologize for calling you both jerk offs but a couple of the statements you made recently were obviously not thought through.

As for EVL... I don't think you have credible sources at all considering how completely far from the truth your article on Borgesi being the new boss. Seems to me you're trying to get 'shock value' to drive visitors to your page.

Bottom line yous don't know shit!

Everyone else have a great night. I'm having an Italian mix and watching Sopranos re-runs. Ciao!
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/24/14 11:53 PM

Any chance of this thread getting put to bed?

Hell, Im more to blame than any other poster here, but f**k me. Every time I log on the most active thread in the mafia world is about the red haired pudgy italian becoming boss of the countries most dysfunctional mob.

Its disheartening to say the least....

Where's a mod when you need one wink
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/25/14 01:42 AM

Ok Handsome Harry I'm cool with that,not quite sure what you mean by ''not thought all the way through''.Don't know if you meant on my end or yours,because about 5or 6 posters in a row had agreed with me but regardless it takes a good man to say what you did so will move on,I'm good.Have a good one.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/25/14 08:58 AM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Any chance of this thread getting put to bed?

Hell, Im more to blame than any other poster here, but f**k me. Every time I log on the most active thread in the mafia world is about the red haired pudgy italian becoming boss of the countries most dysfunctional mob.

Its disheartening to say the least....

Where's a mod when you need one wink


FBI shot of Georgie

"Hey guys Im gonna be the big boss one day!"
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/25/14 04:58 PM

/me chuckles.

(Its funny cause its true! ;))

Poor Georgie.
Posted By: Itiswhatitis

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/25/14 05:30 PM

This may upset a few but here it goes. It's unfortunate you have to disrespect the actor pictured above and George. This isn't a board regarding appearances but about organized crime. Just my thought.
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 09:28 PM

It is what it is.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 09:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
This may upset a few but here it goes. It's unfortunate you have to disrespect the actor pictured above and George. This isn't a board regarding appearances but about organized crime. Just my thought.

This is about the tamest board when it comes to this stuff. It's because the moderators here are fair, yet no nonsense. You should see the things they post on the other boards. Pictures, personal information, family insults, the whole nine yards.

The point is, this type of subject matter lends itself to all kinds of people. Some kids, some wannabes, some crazies. But for the most part, this is a civil board with a lot if intelligent people who have a serious interest in movies, food, and yeah, some real life organized crime.

When you live your life in the public eye, like mob guys do when they go on trial and to prison, people are going to talk about you. Especially in the Internet age. So relax. Heed the advice of your username. It is what it is wink smile.
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 10:14 PM

This board sucks. There's no gangster bitches that post on here?
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 10:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
This may upset a few but here it goes. It's unfortunate you have to disrespect the actor pictured above and George. This isn't a board regarding appearances but about organized crime. Just my thought.


Take a joke you bleeding heart.

Jesus christ!
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 10:30 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
This may upset a few but here it goes. It's unfortunate you have to disrespect the actor pictured above and George. This isn't a board regarding appearances but about organized crime. Just my thought.

This is about the tamest board when it comes to this stuff. It's because the moderators here are fair, yet no nonsense. You should see the things they post on the other boards. Pictures, personal information, family insults, the whole nine yards.

The point is, this type of subject matter lends itself to all kinds of people. Some kids, some wannabes, some crazies. But for the most part, this is a civil board with a lot if intelligent people who have a serious interest in movies, food, and yeah, some real life organized crime.

When you life your life in the public eye, like mob guys do when they go on trial and to prison, people are going to talk about you. Especially in the Internet age. So relax. Heed the advice of your username. It is what it is wink smile.


lol man I don't think my post was that bad, I thought it was kind of funny

also, it wasnt even an insult to someone on the board, but a low life baned Borgesi

Jesus this board is sensitive
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 10:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Itiswhatitis
This may upset a few but here it goes. It's unfortunate you have to disrespect the actor pictured above and George. This isn't a board regarding appearances but about organized crime. Just my thought.


Organized crime are people without photos that are all over the internet?

there are not people behind the crimes, with faces, and pictures?

rolleyes
Posted By: Alfanosgirl

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 10:35 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeHarry
This board sucks. There's no gangster bitches that post on here?



There is one NOW! Don't make me get SASSY!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 10:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
lol man I don't think my post was that bad, I thought it was kind of funny

also, it wasnt even an insult to someone on the board, but a low life baned Borgesi

Jesus this board is sensitive

I'm agreeing with you, pal lol.

Jeez. The guy bragged on tape about killing God knows how many people. I'm hoping he has a thick enough skin to laugh about being called a retard rolleyes .
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 10:40 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
lol man I don't think my post was that bad, I thought it was kind of funny

also, it wasnt even an insult to someone on the board, but a low life baned Borgesi

Jesus this board is sensitive

I'm agreeing with you, pal lol.

Jeez. The guy bragged on tape about killing God knows how many people. I'm hoping he has a thick enough skin to laugh about being called a retard rolleyes .


I mean I wouldn't say it to the guys face he is a nut job

but for someone to cry and get offended about making fun of a dirt bag that has spent the last decade plus in jail, is ridiculous! lol
Posted By: ThatsLife215

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/26/14 11:35 PM

i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.
Posted By: SC

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 12:12 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeHarry
This board sucks. There's no gangster bitches that post on here?


If you're asking about women, we have a few female members. Of course we have some male bitches here, too.
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 12:29 PM

Haha of course. I actually do like the board though.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 12:42 PM

Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.


Who is listed as made on a chart that you claim is not?

If you are going to call people out posting bad info, at least have the balls to say who you are talking about, instead of hurling baseless insults and pretending to have inside knowledge because your location says Philly.

smile
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 12:44 PM

And @ Alfanosgirl...

Is that a real name or nick name? I know someone with a very similar name in California.
Posted By: Alfanosgirl

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 12:54 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeHarry
And @ Alfanosgirl...

Is that a real name or nick name? I know someone with a very similar name in California.


It's my gr grandmas maiden name but not my last name.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 03:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.


Who is listed as made on a chart that you claim is not?

If you are going to call people out posting bad info, at least have the balls to say who you are talking about, instead of hurling baseless insults and pretending to have inside knowledge because your location says Philly.

smile


+1
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 05:03 PM

Oh ok never mind then. Borgesi for President!
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.


Who is listed as made on a chart that you claim is not?

If you are going to call people out posting bad info, at least have the balls to say who you are talking about, instead of hurling baseless insults and pretending to have inside knowledge because your location says Philly.

smile


+1


These guys are a dime a dozen.

I am anxiously awaiting his response, more than likely he just ignores it and doesn't come up with an answer.
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 07:14 PM

If he is in fact close to guys in Philly and wants to remain anonymous then why would he make any corrections or say names?

There was a couple times I wanted to make comments in certain threads but didn't due to the same reasons. I would never want to put my family or friends names on this board.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeHarry
If he is in fact close to guys in Philly and wants to remain anonymous then why would he make any corrections or say names?

There was a couple times I wanted to make comments in certain threads but didn't due to the same reasons. I would never want to put my family or friends names on this board.


I think he is a bullshitter, but I will reserve my full judgement and see what he responds with, I will give him a chance to speak on what he said.

But I predict he will say something like this...

"pshhh Bro my cousin Johnny Sausages said at a meeting at the pork store...that I cannot say anything about the secret made guy and non made guy list, you peons are lucky a connected guy like myself even commented. I have to go watch my sopranos re-runs. Ciao"

lol
Posted By: HandsomeHarry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/27/14 09:14 PM

Haha! I like that last part you added in there. I got like dejavu when I read it for some reason. Weird.
Posted By: Southphilly4ever

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/28/14 04:24 PM

Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.


I can't agree more with you on this one. I forget if it's this thread or another one on the Philly mob but there were many pictures posted on here with Chang, Grande ect with a lot of young kids who I happen to know from either my neighborhood or friends of my kids. None of these kids are mobbed up and just happen to know these guys like everyone else in South Philly does or are friends with the sons, nephews or cousins of these guys. I don't think it's appropriate to put some kid out there, face un-blurred when they are just a barber, contractor or real estate salesmen.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/28/14 10:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.


I can't agree more with you on this one. I forget if it's this thread or another one on the Philly mob but there were many pictures posted on here with Chang, Grande ect with a lot of young kids who I happen to know from either my neighborhood or friends of my kids. None of these kids are mobbed up and just happen to know these guys like everyone else in South Philly does or are friends with the sons, nephews or cousins of these guys. I don't think it's appropriate to put some kid out there, face un-blurred when they are just a barber, contractor or real estate salesmen.


Name these guys that aren't involved then? From what I see posted on here pretty much every guy spoke about as a made guy or associate is in some way involived, indictments show that.
Posted By: mulberry

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 12:21 AM

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Posted By: ThatsLife215

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 02:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.


Who is listed as made on a chart that you claim is not?

If you are going to call people out posting bad info, at least have the balls to say who you are talking about, instead of hurling baseless insults and pretending to have inside knowledge because your location says Philly.

smile


+1


These guys are a dime a dozen.

I am anxiously awaiting his response, more than likely he just ignores it and doesn't come up with an answer.


First of all what insults did i make? Did you post the chart? seems to me you and your buddy feel some type of way about my post maybe because you know you are full of shit and have no clue who is who in Philly.

You are right I wont put my friends names you are not involved on here any more than they are. I never claimed to know any "inside info" what I did say do now who is not involved if anyone wants to find the list I believe the last on i saw was from 2011 and was being updated. I might tell you who is not starting with myself. me and my friends actually have a running joke about the list, something to the affect of "they make you a soldier yet" or "whos crew you in again" ahaha.. Honestly the majority of you guys are good conversation. But there is always the jerkoffs.
Posted By: ThatsLife215

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 03:25 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.


I can't agree more with you on this one. I forget if it's this thread or another one on the Philly mob but there were many pictures posted on here with Chang, Grande ect with a lot of young kids who I happen to know from either my neighborhood or friends of my kids. None of these kids are mobbed up and just happen to know these guys like everyone else in South Philly does or are friends with the sons, nephews or cousins of these guys. I don't think it's appropriate to put some kid out there, face un-blurred when they are just a barber, contractor or real estate salesmen.


Name these guys that aren't involved then? From what I see posted on here pretty much every guy spoke about as a made guy or associate is in some way involived, indictments show that.

indictments mean nothing. Ill give an example. The bartender who was indicted in the Borgata thing was just that, a bartender at the casino those guys were his regulars, and sometimes drank with them thats it everything was dropped so you cant go by that either
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 07:58 AM

Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.


I can't agree more with you on this one. I forget if it's this thread or another one on the Philly mob but there were many pictures posted on here with Chang, Grande ect with a lot of young kids who I happen to know from either my neighborhood or friends of my kids. None of these kids are mobbed up and just happen to know these guys like everyone else in South Philly does or are friends with the sons, nephews or cousins of these guys. I don't think it's appropriate to put some kid out there, face un-blurred when they are just a barber, contractor or real estate salesmen.


Name these guys that aren't involved then? From what I see posted on here pretty much every guy spoke about as a made guy or associate is in some way involived, indictments show that.

indictments mean nothing. Ill give an example. The bartender who was indicted in the Borgata thing was just that, a bartender at the casino those guys were his regulars, and sometimes drank with them thats it everything was dropped so you cant go by that either


Did they label him an associate of PHilly LCN?
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 08:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
i cant believe all the bad info on this site. half the guys listed on the new philly famiiy chart i saw on one thread is so far off with the soldiers its comical. Just because someone is someones brother or cousin etc.or grew up on the same street does not mean they are involved in anything. you guys throw out alot of names of hard working family men, you def dont know or know anything about.


I can't agree more with you on this one. I forget if it's this thread or another one on the Philly mob but there were many pictures posted on here with Chang, Grande ect with a lot of young kids who I happen to know from either my neighborhood or friends of my kids. None of these kids are mobbed up and just happen to know these guys like everyone else in South Philly does or are friends with the sons, nephews or cousins of these guys. I don't think it's appropriate to put some kid out there, face un-blurred when they are just a barber, contractor or real estate salesmen.


And another Philly poster with a bland statement...

First of all, all of the pictures I saw that had chang, Nicodemo, Grande, etc...like the wedding pictures, almost all of them were made guys or associates like Wags

In the rare case where there may have been a photo or 2 with non connected people in a pic, or in the background...or in some cases...Nicodemo's wife...

but for the most part, nobody knows who the "barbers and garbage men"(non affiliated) in the pics are, and frankly, i Doubt anyone gives a fuck.

They care about the people they know are made or connected in the photo's

I don't think someone reputation was damaged because they happened to be in a snap shot on a website, when nobody has identified them as being associated with the mob.

Nobody cares. They are looking at the made guy/associate in the photo.

And again, almost every photo I saw were of people confirmed to be associated with the mob, so why are you complaining?

Do you think anyone from here knows or recognizes Joe Blow Jr that works at the local dunkin donuts in the background of a Grande photo?
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 08:25 AM

Your buddies may not be "connected" but hanging w wiseguys or associates is probably going to get your picture taken by the philly OC unit or Philly FBI unit at some time at the worse then you or your friends will be a part of their investigation and catch some label.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 10:46 AM

Thatslife 215 don't let the jokers discourage you. Everything you post is on point. It's.frustrating when people from Europe and the Midwest come inevery Philly thread acting like they.know everything and bashing people who post actual insight.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 01:35 PM

Similar you might say to how people 'from Philly' are connected and in the know? Yet very rarely backup anything with evidence?

Similar?
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 04:17 PM

You want evidence? Like what paperwork from the feds? We are in Philly, we talk to people in the know, in person. You want sources and evidence? Numerous people on here are connected to family members of these people. I laid a lot of NFL action with a bookie who is listed as an associate. A guy I.used to work with is close to the whole Mazzone family. Another one of my friends mom used to date an alleged made member. I used to sell coke with Pagans and wheels members in south Jersey they gab like school girls about these guys. Dunno if that qualifies as evidence but.maybe you could see how someone who.is local might be a little more well informed then someone.far away
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 04:21 PM

Also since everyone was so dismissive about borgesi being the boss.... did anyone ever think if it was total B.S. maybe he wouldn't be frantically trying to contact the.media to dispute it? Obviously the article was terrible but the general premise might not be so far fetched. He fought for controlling and now he's home and eying "the big seat", doesn't sound so crazy to me.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 04:35 PM

it's probably impossible to get made in philly if u don't snort coke or smoke meth

they seem like a streetgang
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
they seem like a streetgang

Why, are they making colored guys now?

Maybe you ought to relocate, Cook.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 04:48 PM

/me chuckles @ PB.

Cook Im starting to think youre a little masochistic the way you keep setting yourself up to get hit outta the park all the time....
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 05:17 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
You want evidence? Like what paperwork from the feds? We are in Philly, we talk to people in the know, in person. You want sources and evidence? Numerous people on here are connected to family members of these people. I laid a lot of NFL action with a bookie who is listed as an associate. A guy I.used to work with is close to the whole Mazzone family. Another one of my friends mom used to date an alleged made member. I used to sell coke with Pagans and wheels members in south Jersey they gab like school girls about these guys. Dunno if that qualifies as evidence but.maybe you could see how someone who.is local might be a little more well informed then someone.far away


Stop telling porkies
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 05:18 PM

@pizzaboy


so the philly mob doesn't seen low-rent to u?

drive-bys in their mothers car, in broad daylight, down the street from their homes

sounds like some gangbanging shit to me
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 05:21 PM

Cook County can you ever leave your obvious agenda out of these threads?
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
You want evidence? Like what paperwork from the feds? We are in Philly, we talk to people in the know, in person. You want sources and evidence? Numerous people on here are connected to family members of these people. I laid a lot of NFL action with a bookie who is listed as an associate. A guy I.used to work with is close to the whole Mazzone family. Another one of my friends mom used to date an alleged made member. I used to sell coke with Pagans and wheels members in south Jersey they gab like school girls about these guys. Dunno if that qualifies as evidence but.maybe you could see how someone who.is local might be a little more well informed then someone.far away


Why are you trying so hard to validate what you said?

Some will believe you, some won't. Its the internet, bro.

This comes off either as bragging, or dry snitching though.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 05:26 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Also since everyone was so dismissive about borgesi being the boss.... did anyone ever think if it was total B.S. maybe he wouldn't be frantically trying to contact the.media to dispute it? Obviously the article was terrible but the general premise might not be so far fetched. He fought for controlling and now he's home and eying "the big seat", doesn't sound so crazy to me.


Actually it was reported...See below...

Borgesi scratching his head regarding boss report, Philly wiseguy trying not to make waves

Good ole’ Georgie Boy was just as shocked reading the news about himself, as most of those who were reading it about him were.

Last week, in a story on CoasNostraNews.com that has since been revised, George (Georgie Boy) Borgesi, the-recently released from prison 50-year old Philadelphia mafia stalwart was named the new boss of the Philly mob. Borgesi, the nephew of don Joseph (Uncle Joe) Ligambi, reached out to multiple people in the Pennsylvania and New Jersey media, expressing his dismay and confusion with the report that he deemed false, wondering where Coasnostranews' sources were getting their information.

Despite his pedigree and gangster past, the Philly mafia’s one-time consigliere is desperately trying to keep a low profile on the heels of his dozen-year plus trip to the can that came to an end a few months back.

The original printing of the story reported that Borgesi was using mob associates and brothers Mike and Stevie Salvo (roofers union) as his main proxies on the street, “grabbing everything back that was his before he went to jail” and taking over for the retiring Ligambi.

In January, Borgesi was sprung from federal prison after a 13-year stay on racketeering charges coupled with his beating further mafia-related charges alongside his uncle that came his way as he was about to be released from his 2000 conviction.

Ligambi and his nephew both beat the racketeering case twice at trial, most recently earlier this year, via hung-juries and acquittals.

Underworld sources in South Philly tell the Mob Insider that Ligambi is the syndicate’s current consigliere and Borgesi “might be able to get his stripes back as a capo or Ligambi’s replacement in his old post in the future, but for now, he’s merely a soldier.”

The sources peg Joseph (Skinny Joey) Merlino, convicted with Georgie Boy back in 2000, as boss of the crime family, ruling from afar in South Florida, relying on street boss Steven (Handsome Stevie) Mazzone and underboss John (Johnny Chang) Ciangalini to handle day-to-day affairs in Pennsylvania.

Borgesi is re-entering the Philadelphia mob at a delicate juncture right now, as multiple factions and eras jockey for position in a possible powder keg of a local gangland scene.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 05:29 PM

Thatslife, this is to you but the quote system sucks....

[/quote]
First of all what insults did i make? Did you post the chart? seems to me you and your buddy feel some type of way about my post maybe because you know you are full of shit and have no clue who is who in Philly.

You are right I wont put my friends names you are not involved on here any more than they are. I never claimed to know any "inside info" what I did say do now who is not involved if anyone wants to find the list I believe the last on i saw was from 2011 and was being updated. I might tell you who is not starting with myself. me and my friends actually have a running joke about the list, something to the affect of "they make you a soldier yet" or "whos crew you in again" ahaha.. Honestly the majority of you guys are good conversation. But there is always the jerkoffs. [/quote]

I mean, I have not seen any lists with made members that are far fetched, there isnt that many made guys on the street anyway.

But I have seen associates listed who aren't and who have been in the past but no longer deal with that life, like Vic Dipietro. So to a degree, I agree with you. But I will always dispute something I feel needs to be disputed, no disrespect.

Posted By: Wilson101

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 05:38 PM

Ok well you asked me how someone knows more than someone else because they live there. What I posted was my attempt to enlighten you. It's frustrating to me when I see people post interesting insight and then the trolls just hop all over them. I guess it's not that serious
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 05:55 PM

You don't need to enlighten me, and you are putting words in my mouth and twisting my point

I never asked "how someone knows more than anyone else"

I stated about the philly guys...PRETENDING....or ACTING like they know than everyone else because of their location

Not talking about you specifically...
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 06:18 PM

At the end of the day these guys might start beefing over the football bets coming up but they are going to be laying low until after the niccodemo trial and all that that verdict may mean to everyone in philly which may give way to some of the scarfo guys that have been getting out lately and in the future
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: merlino
At the end of the day these guys might start beefing over the football bets coming up but they are going to be laying low until after the niccodemo trial and all that that verdict may mean to everyone in philly which may give way to some of the scarfo guys that have been getting out lately and in the future


They are beefing over more than football bets already

word is Narducci and Johnny Chang are getting into something that could be boiling over.

Narducci is a stone killer.
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: merlino
At the end of the day these guys might start beefing over the football bets coming up but they are going to be laying low until after the niccodemo trial and all that that verdict may mean to everyone in philly which may give way to some of the scarfo guys that have been getting out lately and in the future


They are beefing over more than football bets already

word is Narducci and Johnny Chang are getting into something that could be boiling over.

Narducci is a stone killer.



Ya thats what I mean Narducci will be the guy to take the top spot once niccodemo goes down and if he flips on some of those unsolved murders... Narducci guys v Chang/Merlino guys could get interesting... maybe they got some education in prison on new scams like the euros and russians do now but gambling and loansharking is a main staple and its time for football to crank up so someone is going to take those bets... esp since there could be a million dollar market out there w a non mobbed up guy matronado unable to take bets anymore allegedly
Posted By: gram6814

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/29/14 08:23 PM

Who did you insult? You insulted Serpentine (in a different thread) the Georgia Avenue guy who forgot more than I suspect you'll ever know. So if you're going to dish it out you better learn to take it. He provided insight only someone on the inside would know and you mocked him that told me all I needed to know about you.
Posted By: ThatsLife215

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 01:23 AM

Originally Posted By: gram6814
Who did you insult? You insulted Serpentine (in a different thread) the Georgia Avenue guy who forgot more than I suspect you'll ever know. So if you're going to dish it out you better learn to take it. He provided insight only someone on the inside would know and you mocked him that told me all I needed to know about you.


Serp called friends of mine junkies and he was 1000% wrong on that and I defended them.. I did mock the guy asking about Phils favorite hoagie, how to cut a card game and the points on a $100 street loan. me and serp are cool and im sure if he sees this he will tell you that. Do your homework before you throw your 2 cents in
Posted By: ThatsLife215

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 01:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Thatslife, this is to you but the quote system sucks....


First of all what insults did i make? Did you post the chart? seems to me you and your buddy feel some type of way about my post maybe because you know you are full of shit and have no clue who is who in Philly.

You are right I wont put my friends names you are not involved on here any more than they are. I never claimed to know any "inside info" what I did say do now who is not involved if anyone wants to find the list I believe the last on i saw was from 2011 and was being updated. I might tell you who is not starting with myself. me and my friends actually have a running joke about the list, something to the affect of "they make you a soldier yet" or "whos crew you in again" ahaha.. Honestly the majority of you guys are good conversation. But there is always the jerkoffs. [/quote]

I mean, I have not seen any lists with made members that are far fetched, there isnt that many made guys on the street anyway.

But I have seen associates listed who aren't and who have been in the past but no longer deal with that life, like Vic Dipietro. So to a degree, I agree with you. But I will always dispute something I feel needs to be disputed, no disrespect.

[/quote]
I'll use your example I'm pretty sure he was a drug dealer not OC when he got arrested there was no talk of OC it was a drug case. Just because you go out with friends you known since you were 6 and they happen to be into something does not mean you are too. Thats what i mean when I say these lists are bullshit. no disrespect taken but I do know what I'm talking about especially people who Ive known my whole life.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 08:01 AM

Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Thatslife, this is to you but the quote system sucks....


First of all what insults did i make? Did you post the chart? seems to me you and your buddy feel some type of way about my post maybe because you know you are full of shit and have no clue who is who in Philly.

You are right I wont put my friends names you are not involved on here any more than they are. I never claimed to know any "inside info" what I did say do now who is not involved if anyone wants to find the list I believe the last on i saw was from 2011 and was being updated. I might tell you who is not starting with myself. me and my friends actually have a running joke about the list, something to the affect of "they make you a soldier yet" or "whos crew you in again" ahaha.. Honestly the majority of you guys are good conversation. But there is always the jerkoffs.


I mean, I have not seen any lists with made members that are far fetched, there isnt that many made guys on the street anyway.

But I have seen associates listed who aren't and who have been in the past but no longer deal with that life, like Vic Dipietro. So to a degree, I agree with you. But I will always dispute something I feel needs to be disputed, no disrespect.

[/quote]
I'll use your example I'm pretty sure he was a drug dealer not OC when he got arrested there was no talk of OC it was a drug case. Just because you go out with friends you known since you were 6 and they happen to be into something does not mean you are too. Thats what i mean when I say these lists are bullshit. no disrespect taken but I do know what I'm talking about especially people who Ive known my whole life. [/quote]

He probably got listed because he hangs around Stevie Gongs, it was actually Vic and Stevie that found Johnny Gongs dead I believe.

Also the rat Nicodemo is accused of clipping was I believe a cousin of Victor and the one that ratted him out?

Nicky Slick was heard in prison talking about it before it happened
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 08:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: merlino
At the end of the day these guys might start beefing over the football bets coming up but they are going to be laying low until after the niccodemo trial and all that that verdict may mean to everyone in philly which may give way to some of the scarfo guys that have been getting out lately and in the future


They are beefing over more than football bets already

word is Narducci and Johnny Chang are getting into something that could be boiling over.

Narducci is a stone killer.


No doubt about it but Chang is no punk..and he has backing.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 08:46 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: merlino
At the end of the day these guys might start beefing over the football bets coming up but they are going to be laying low until after the niccodemo trial and all that that verdict may mean to everyone in philly which may give way to some of the scarfo guys that have been getting out lately and in the future


They are beefing over more than football bets already

word is Narducci and Johnny Chang are getting into something that could be boiling over.

Narducci is a stone killer.


No doubt about it but Chang is no punk..and he has backing.


Narducci has backing as well, I believe from the 10th and O guys.

Phil was doing hits in his early 20's.

I get the changs confused...Johnny Chang was never a hitter I thought?

Mikey Chang is the one who was killed with Merlino, and not sure what became of the other brother.

If I was a betting man I would bet on Phil coming out on top if it comes to violence
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 08:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: merlino
At the end of the day these guys might start beefing over the football bets coming up but they are going to be laying low until after the niccodemo trial and all that that verdict may mean to everyone in philly which may give way to some of the scarfo guys that have been getting out lately and in the future


They are beefing over more than football bets already

word is Narducci and Johnny Chang are getting into something that could be boiling over.

Narducci is a stone killer.


No doubt about it but Chang is no punk..and he has backing.


Narducci has backing as well, I believe from the 10th and O guys.

Phil was doing hits in his early 20's.

I get the changs confused...Johnny Chang was never a hitter I thought?

Mikey Chang is the one who was killed with Merlino, and not sure what became of the other brother.

If I was a betting man I would bet on Phil coming out on top if it comes to violence


I don't think so..he was in prison during the 93 war.

You'd bet on Phil Narducci, just like when you said 'If i was a betting man I'd bet on Barney beating Frank Cali up in a fist fight' lol You're unreal.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:04 AM

You're from England. You're unreal.

lol

What is wrong with predicting who would come out on top when it comes to violence...

You realize this is an organized crime board right?

Guess it beats your "What was John Gotti's favorite tie" threads.

rolleyes
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
You're from England. You're unreal.

lol

What is wrong with predicting who would come out on top when it comes to violence...

You realize this is an organized crime board right?

Guess it beats your "What was John Gotti's favorite tie" threads.

rolleyes



You predicted the outcome of a fist fight in which you have no idea how tough they are with fists, that's just wierd! sound like a fanboy. lol
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
You're from England. You're unreal.

lol

What is wrong with predicting who would come out on top when it comes to violence...

You realize this is an organized crime board right?

Guess it beats your "What was John Gotti's favorite tie" threads.

rolleyes



What? I've never made or commented in a thread like that, nice try though.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:16 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
You're from England. You're unreal.

lol

What is wrong with predicting who would come out on top when it comes to violence...

You realize this is an organized crime board right?

Guess it beats your "What was John Gotti's favorite tie" threads.

rolleyes



You predicted the outcome of a fist fight in which you have no idea how tough they are with fists, that's just wierd! sound like a fanboy. lol



You are from England, go drink some tea.

Also, learn to spell basic words such as "weird"

Sound like an uneducated fanboy.

Stick to asking which mobster has the biggest cock.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:17 AM

Someone with the board name of Tommy Gambino, from England...calling someone else a fan boy is hilarious!

lol lol lol
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
You're from England. You're unreal.

lol

What is wrong with predicting who would come out on top when it comes to violence...

You realize this is an organized crime board right?

Guess it beats your "What was John Gotti's favorite tie" threads.

rolleyes



You predicted the outcome of a fist fight in which you have no idea how tough they are with fists, that's just wierd! sound like a fanboy. lol



You are from England, go drink some tea.

Also, learn to spell basic words such as "weird"

Sound like an uneducated fanboy.

Stick to asking which mobster has the biggest cock.


I don't drink tea. How do I sound like a fanboy? When you're selecting you're favourite mobster to win fist fights with no idea lol childish fan boy. What are you 13 years old?

You're running out of ideas rapidly, now you're going after my grammar lol

Yes I'm from England, what's the problem? When I'm made to look like an idiot I accept it, you just turn to insults and change the subject, making yourself look even worse.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Someone with the board name of Tommy Gambino, from England...calling someone else a fan boy is hilarious!

lol lol lol



That doesn't make me a fan of his, when I read through the board before signing up a lot of people had mobster names, I thought fuck it. After all it is a mafia forum...

Clutching at straws..
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:27 AM

Stop throwing the thread off track with your fantasies of Tommy Gambino, English fanboy.
Posted By: Blackjack2121

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:29 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Blackjack2121
You're from England. You're unreal.

lol

What is wrong with predicting who would come out on top when it comes to violence...

You realize this is an organized crime board right?

Guess it beats your "What was John Gotti's favorite tie" threads.

rolleyes



You predicted the outcome of a fist fight in which you have no idea how tough they are with fists, that's just wierd! sound like a fanboy. lol



You are from England, go drink some tea.

Also, learn to spell basic words such as "weird"

Sound like an uneducated fanboy.

Stick to asking which mobster has the biggest cock.


I don't drink tea. How do I sound like a fanboy? When you're selecting you're favourite mobster to win fist fights with no idea lol childish fan boy. What are you 13 years old?

You're running out of ideas rapidly, now you're going after my grammar lol

Yes I'm from England, what's the problem? When I'm made to look like an idiot I accept it, you just turn to insults and change the subject, making yourself look even worse.


For the record, I went after your poor spelling, not your grammar. Do you not even know the difference between spelling and grammar either Mr. Tommy Gambino?

lol
Posted By: ThatsLife215

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 10:41 AM



You are right I wont put my friends names you are not involved on here any more than they are. I never claimed to know any "inside info" what I did say do now who is not involved if anyone wants to find the list I believe the last on i saw was from 2011 and was being updated. I might tell you who is not starting with myself. me and my friends actually have a running joke about the list, something to the affect of "they make you a soldier yet" or "whos crew you in again" ahaha.. Honestly the majority of you guys are good conversation. But there is always the jerkoffs. [/quote]

I mean, I have not seen any lists with made members that are far fetched, there isnt that many made guys on the street anyway.

But I have seen associates listed who aren't and who have been in the past but no longer deal with that life, like Vic Dipietro. So to a degree, I agree with you. But I will always dispute something I feel needs to be disputed, no disrespect.

[/quote]
I'll use your example I'm pretty sure he was a drug dealer not OC when he got arrested there was no talk of OC it was a drug case. Just because you go out with friends you known since you were 6 and they happen to be into something does not mean you are too. Thats what i mean when I say these lists are bullshit. no disrespect taken but I do know what I'm talking about especially people who Ive known my whole life. [/quote]

He probably got listed because he hangs around Stevie Gongs, it was actually Vic and Stevie that found Johnny Gongs dead I believe.

Also the rat Nicodemo is accused of clipping was I believe a cousin of Victor and the one that ratted him out?

Nicky Slick was heard in prison talking about it before it happened[/quote]
This is why i cant be on these boards. Why is he a rat? If you knew him you would know if there is one guy who wont open their mouth its him. Also I would love to see you say something like that to his face. your head would get split open halfway through the word rat... Nicky slick couldnt order a cheesesteak let alone a hit. he was basically a troublemaker before he went away he wasnt involved in anything..
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 10:55 AM

Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
This is why i cant be on these boards.

Then you shouldn't be. And I don't have a dog in this fight, buddy. For the most part you've been a pretty nice guy here. But this is what these boards are about, and people aren't going to stop posting to accommodate you or anyone else.

And this board is tame. You should see what goes on on the other sites like this. Cheap shots, personal information, private pictures, the whole nine yards. The mods here are tough but fair, so that shit's thankfully not an issue here.

Originally Posted By: ThatsLife215
Also I would love to see you say something like that to his face. your head would get split open halfway through the word rat.

That's not going to happen either. Because again, it's an anonymous message board and people are going to post what they want to post. It's not about him "saying it to his face."

At the end of the day, these guys are in the public eye because they put themselves in the public eye. And when you're in the public eye, people talk about you on boards like this. It's the Internet age, and it's only going to get worse.

Again, I have no beef with you at all. But if you "can't be on a board like this," then what are you doing here?

Just my two cents smile.

Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 11:06 AM

This thread is really going nowhere. Nicodemo hasn't been shown to rat on anybody yet. So, stop saying he did. If he does, call him what you want.

Johnny Chang was thought to be part of the Billy Veasey thing. Hasn't been proven. Whether or not he and Phillip Narducci end up going to battle is anyone's guess. As far as who will win; anyone's guess. They were both raised by fathers who were killers. They both understand that it's part of the life.

But, this whole idea of Old School guys coming out of prison going against the other guys is unfounded. Alot of these guys have known each other their entire lives and all of them saw what happens when you start killing each other.

Maybe one of them ends up like Feech LaManna.
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 11:17 AM

ThatsLife215,

You may have taken that the wrong way. I'm pretty sure he wasn't calling Nicodemo a rat. He said that Vic DiPietro is cousin to the rat that was allegedly killed by Nicodemo.
Posted By: ThatsLife215

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 12:07 PM

Well let's see anything I've ever said on here has been fact most of the stuff you guys put up on here is speculation and name-calling about people you haven't even seen in person. Sorry I stepped into your little fantasy world and gave you a dose of reality but like I said before things like rats junkies are things that should be defended especially when they're totally unfounded
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 01:26 PM

Looks like the majority of posters in this thread are "in the know"...I'm jealous
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 01:48 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Looks like the majority of posters in this thread are "in the know"...I'm jealous


/me chuckles.



As an aside could people please learn how to quote a conversation. Trying to follow a post or thread is incredibly difficult when the function isnt used properly.
There is an actual quote button, so really no excuses guys.
Just saying, if you want people to read your posts, goes a long way if they're legible.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 02:50 PM

first off, if you can't even master the quote function, why the hell should i take what you have to say seriously? the preview post button is a useful tool, become acquainted with it for fucks sake!

secondly, all of this fake white nighting, jackie denorscio "they're just guys from the neighborhood" foolishness is just silly. if you are taking bets in south philly and your name comes up on a list of associates, derp, you reap what you sow. who would have thought that in 2014 if you are friends with some local wiseguys and spend time with them that your picture might end up out there? ditto for the women that marry these guys. granted, women are pretty dumb overall but even the most gullible among them know how these guys make a living, so boo fucking hoo for them if they get brought into the fold. children, i can understand, but again when you choose a life of crime it's often your family who suffers the most.

some of you mopes shouldn't even be on this site if some of this stuff really hits home and offends your delicate sense of italian pride. all this fanboy this and fanboy that talk is just plain (C)unty as is constant claims of this vast under the radar street level knowledge. as stupid as some mobsters are, do you really think all of the gossip that you hear in your cheap local $2 yuengling bottle joints is the pulse of the street? stupid wankers! lol
Posted By: jmack

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 03:00 PM

This thread has gotten out of hand. I understand that everyone isn't going to agree with what everybody says. Can't we just disagree without being disagreeable? I've been on here a while and rarely post but when did we start critiquing people on spelling and calling each other names? Everyday I view this thread I figure someone may say something productive but it keeps getting worse. Just saying.
Posted By: K1NG6

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
This thread is really going nowhere. Nicodemo hasn't been shown to rat on anybody yet. So, stop saying he did. If he does, call him what you want.

Johnny Chang was thought to be part of the Billy Veasey thing. Hasn't been proven. Whether or not he and Phillip Narducci end up going to battle is anyone's guess. As far as who will win; anyone's guess. They were both raised by fathers who were killers. They both understand that it's part of the life.

But, this whole idea of Old School guys coming out of prison going against the other guys is unfounded. Alot of these guys have known each other their entire lives and all of them saw what happens when you start killing each other.

Maybe one of them ends up like Feech LaManna.


I remember reading an article somewhere, it was thought that Chang was believed to be part of the team that took out Veasey. If I recall, when it first happened it was reported that everyone thought that Billy Veasey was taken out by Stanfa as retaliation for his brother John testifying. Can't remember if it was a George A article or not, sometime later is when they thought that possibly Billy was then done by Chang to retaliate against John Veasey killing his brother, Mikey Chang, in the shooting that also wounded Merlino. I guess brother for brother.

As for Narducci/Chang, I don't think anybody could know for sure without knowing what kind of backing Narducci has. I would think that Mazzone/Chang (Merlino's guys) have a pretty strong backing within the family and a larger faction. All of those guys that were part of the Stanfa war aren't just going to lay down and lose what they fought to take over. You would think some of these guys would have learned that all of the heat they took during the last war was bad for business and try to play nice and fall in line.
Posted By: kiladelphia_pistolvania

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 07:36 PM

Johnny Chang's Dad comes home from prison real soon (2015). I read he was a MAJOR player and held a ton of respect. Even though he is old and just got done doing a long stretch I would imagine a ton of Wanksters will want to hook up with him. Thats if he even wants back in the life. Highly doubt that Narducci and Chang will let it get there. Chang is very intelligent and even tho Narducci is a " stone cold gangster" I highly doubt he would wanna risk finishing up his life in the BOP especially after taking 20-25 years for that piece of shit Scarfo. Supposedly the Narducci's got are well off so I doubt he is gonna risk his life over a god damn sportsbook at this point. Just my 2 cents
Posted By: kiladelphia_pistolvania

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 07:41 PM

Also NO WAY that lunatic Borgesi will ever be a Boss. If Merlino is still calling the shots why would he put that psycho up as street boss? That will get him arrested quick. If the feds knew George was Street Boss they without a doubt would be looking to nab him more than they already are. They can tolerate a guy like ligambi but Def not a guy like GB.
Posted By: K1NG6

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 08:31 PM

Originally Posted By: kiladelphia_pistolvania
Johnny Chang's Dad comes home from prison real soon (2015). I read he was a MAJOR player and held a ton of respect. Even though he is old and just got done doing a long stretch I would imagine a ton of Wanksters will want to hook up with him. Thats if he even wants back in the life. Highly doubt that Narducci and Chang will let it get there. Chang is very intelligent and even tho Narducci is a " stone cold gangster" I highly doubt he would wanna risk finishing up his life in the BOP especially after taking 20-25 years for that piece of shit Scarfo. Supposedly the Narducci's got are well off so I doubt he is gonna risk his life over a god damn sportsbook at this point. Just my 2 cents


I tend to agree with you on the conflict thing. I think these guys are smart enough to know that in this day and age that a street war won't be good business wise for ANY of them. Especially Narducci, if his family is well off like you say. Why risk a life sentence when you just came home recently from 20+ years inside.

As for Joseph Ciancaglini Sr, I think he's done with the life. He is set to be released 5/4/2015 and he will be 80/81 years old. He may be an awesome advisor for his son, but I can't imagine he will want any part of really being in the life. Would imagine he just wants to relax for the remainder of what's left of his life.

I think the original story about Borgesi everybody can conclude was pure BS. I respect Scott Burnstein a lot more than the guy from Cosa Nostra News, and he's said that Skinny Joey continues to run the family from South Florida, with Mazzone as street boss and Johnny Chang #2. Said there is a chance Borgesi could get his old spot at consigliere once Uncle Joe retires, but for now he's just a soldier.
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/30/14 09:57 PM

My take on it is I'm not sure if the being set for life [financially] is good enough.I just think a lot of these guys like the action and its just a way of life for them.I know the guys that served the long prison terms might have a second thought about getting back in.To me a guy like ''Uncle Joe'' can retire,he has the demeanor about him for that.Other guys just like the life,they mite not know how to walk away and relax.I don't know any stats but it would seem to me the majority of the guys would get back in after a prison stretch than not.Same with NY guys.I don't know them as well as Philly but I would also think its in their blood.
Posted By: phillyguy39

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 12:15 AM

hi guys i been reading this site for months now finally i decided to create an acct cause some of the stuff u guys write is so far fetched. i highly doubt that half of u even know any of these guys personally, and u cant believe everything u read. i noticed u guys been bringing up the narducci's lately? why? philip hasn't done anything wrong hes done with that life , he did his time came home got married, hes making a legitimate living. frankie hasnt done anything at all other than that violation(which was actually bs). these guys did their time let them live their life now. u guys keep throwing them in the mix dont u think cops and feds and other law read this site. your just puttin all kinds of drama out there for everybody, not just the narducci's
Posted By: phillyguy39

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 12:19 AM

hi guys i been reading this site for months now finally i decided to create an acct cause some of the stuff u guys write is so far fetched. i highly doubt that half of u even know any of these guys personally, and u cant believe everything u read. i noticed u guys been bringing up the narducci's lately? why? philip hasn't done anything wrong hes done with that life , he did his time came home got married, hes making a legitimate living. frankie hasnt done anything at all other than that violation(which was actually bs). these guys did their time let them live their life now. u guys keep throwing them in the mix dont u think cops and feds and other law read this site. your just puttin all kinds of drama out there for everybody, not just the narducci's
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 03:03 AM

I hope the philly oc unit and the feds have better intel than an internet message board...im not a huge fan of the federal govt so who knows maybe snooping on message boards, facebook, twitter, etc is there new way to collect confidential informants....
Posted By: 22

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 03:55 AM

I have to agree with merlino on that one,you know philly39 I see your point but you also got to remember that a lot of guys will come on here and say they know this one and that one.Do I think you know these guys,yes I believe you do but a lot of others will say ''hey its the internet,he's just bragging or something''.I'm sure that's the part that would be frustrating to you.Me.personally I just give my opinion,I may be right or wrong.I notice you brought up the Narducci's,I was drawing a blank when you said Frankie,but then I remember Frankie getting violated after he first got out.I rarely see his name on here at all to be honest with you,that's why I first was drawing a blank.Anyway I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
Posted By: K1NG6

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: phillyguy39
hi guys i been reading this site for months now finally i decided to create an acct cause some of the stuff u guys write is so far fetched. i highly doubt that half of u even know any of these guys personally, and u cant believe everything u read. i noticed u guys been bringing up the narducci's lately? why? philip hasn't done anything wrong hes done with that life , he did his time came home got married, hes making a legitimate living. frankie hasnt done anything at all other than that violation(which was actually bs). these guys did their time let them live their life now. u guys keep throwing them in the mix dont u think cops and feds and other law read this site. your just puttin all kinds of drama out there for everybody, not just the narducci's


Nobody here pretended that they are out in the streets and personally know these guys. This is an internet message board about organized crime. We come here to speculate and talk about certain things we find interesting. I find it hard to believe that a couple people here on a message board are making drama for anybody. You think Philly PD and the FBI doesn't already have their own chart of who's who in the Philly family? If not, you are sorely mistaken. They know the players better than any of us do.

And as someone pointed out before, these guys live a public life as gangsters with their pictures all over the internet. It's not like any of the posters here are outing them from their secret life. These guys have pictures all over the internet with other wiseguys. As for Narducci, that speculation didn't start here. That speculation started with George Anastasia and Phil Leonetti. They are the ones who said Narducci would be "one to watch" when he was released from prison and if I recall correctly, Leonetti called him the "realest gangster" in the family.
Posted By: phillyguy39

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 02:54 PM

Hey merlino i understamd what your sayin im sure the feds have better intel than this site. But im sure they know about this site and glance over it. And what leonetti said is true about him being the realest gangster he could have it he dont want it hes done with that life. As far as george a saying that on mob talk i remember seein it he had nothing else to report. Like the last 1 he did its was pointless didnt make any sense i think it was about uj bein broke or something. They talk about lcn so people will watch
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 03:17 PM

Wow 15 pages and this thread is still always right at the top when I sign in. Really didn't expect that!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 03:29 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Wow 15 pages and this thread is still always right at the top when I sign in. Really didn't expect that!

And it's all your fault for starting it, Stevie. You couldn't stick to posting pictures? tongue grin
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 03:48 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Wow 15 pages and this thread is still always right at the top when I sign in. Really didn't expect that!

And it's all your fault for starting it, Stevie. You couldn't stick to posting pictures? tongue grin


Loved the pics man...thread rocks too thanks
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 07/31/14 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: phillyguy39
Hey merlino i understamd what your sayin im sure the feds have better intel than this site. But im sure they know about this site and glance over it. And what leonetti said is true about him being the realest gangster he could have it he dont want it hes done with that life. As far as george a saying that on mob talk i remember seein it he had nothing else to report. Like the last 1 he did its was pointless didnt make any sense i think it was about uj bein broke or something. They talk about lcn so people will watch



yeah like mafia members
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/01/14 01:32 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Wow 15 pages and this thread is still always right at the top when I sign in. Really didn't expect that!

And it's all your fault for starting it, Stevie. You couldn't stick to posting pictures? tongue grin


Hahah. All I did was post the article! And I thought who knows, Philly is crazy anything could happen and Borgesi was a top guy 15 years ago so just maybe in a fucked up world it could be true! But after I realized it was BS and the guy revised the story I stopped posting in the thread. And I do have some pictures but a lot of people have been hatin on me about the pics so I haven't posted them. Funny thing is when I don't post any for a while I start getting PMs asking me why I haven't posted any lately. LOL but I am gonna share them tomorrow most likely cause I don't care about the haters I just was waited til people started asking to prove a point!
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/01/14 01:34 AM

I am going to start a new Philly thread tomorrow also I think but not for trolls or any bullshit, just good ole organize crime discussion!
Posted By: Merlinofan1970

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/02/14 02:19 PM

I agree wit u Cheech. If the "Mafia Media" dont get something soon, they'll start creating shit like this type of article. "George Boregasi new boss" smh.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/06/14 08:16 PM

Look what they reported on cosanostranews.com today
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/06/14 08:16 PM

What's the Going Rate for Mafia Membership These Days?

Skinny Joey Merlino.
Tired of being a mob associate and kicking up most of your earnings?

Tired of constantly lying to your superiors about how much you earn so you don't have to kick up as much as you should?

Face it -- you wanna be a made guy... You already maybe did a piece of work for the family (or not, it's not the requirement everyone always thought it was), and you are feeling you deserve to be a soldier.

Well, friends, now that dream can be yours! You can become a full member of the Philadelphia mob for only a one-time payment of $10,000! (Cash, of course.)

Chances are, you won't read an ad like that anytime soon. But believe it or not, for a time it was the case, according to two government witnesses.



Someone could join the Philly mob by making a cash payment to George Borgesi, who belongs to the administration of the family his uncle lorded over and brought back from extinction for Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino, who also was selling mob memberships. (Merlino, however, was getting $100,000 per button -- and this was back in the 1990s.)

This is according to testimonies from two mob turnoats, including New York informant Anthony Aponick, who testified at the racketeering conspiracy retrial of Borgesi and his uncle, mob boss "Uncle Joe" Ligambi last December.

Aponick said he was asked to pay the 10Gs to Borgesi while they were cellmates in a federal prison in West Virginia back in 2003.

"He said I would become a member of his crew. He wanted $10,000."

Aponick was actually getting a bargain. As George Anastasia wrote on Big Trial, that price was a mere 10 percent of what Boston mobster Bobby Luisi said he had to pay Merlino back in the late 1990s to become a made member.

"Whether that was a reflection of an economic downturn in the underworld or whether Aponick was getting a special discount could not be determined. Like Aponick, Luisi became a close associate of Borgesi's. And like Aponick, he eventually became an FBI informant."

What pinged our curiosity was the dollar figure of $10,000.

Ronald Turchi, a convicted arsonist and one-time Mafia consigliere busted to capo in the mid-1990s, had been in and out of prison and was considered a troubled man.

Ligambi, on right, Borgesi

He was also found in the trunk of his wife's car in South Philadelphia around noon on Passyunk Avenue, naked, shot twice in the back of the head. His hands and feet were tied with white rope.

"It was reminiscent of many mob hits of the 1980s," wrote Philly.com.

Turchi was considered an ally of one-time mob boss Ralph Natale, who, it was later learned, only was acting boss because Merlino and his crew, who went to war to end the abrupt, violent reign of the previous boss, John Stanfa, wanted a buffer for law enforcement.

Natale flipped shortly before the Turchi slaying. On the stand in February 2001, Natale said that Turchi was killed for trying to "buy" the job of Philadelphia mob boss by paying $10,000 to a high-ranking Gambino family member.

Ten-thousand dollars, the same amount.... We wonder if this was common practice. Is it still common practice? Exactly how many high-ranking mobsters were selling buttons, and how many mobsters are only mobsters because they paid the fee? And was $10,000 really the going rate?

George Anastasia didn't note in his article what happened to another Anastasia -- namely, Albert (who was called "Don Umberto" by his men, and "Lord High Executioner" by the press). He also was involved in a button-selling racket.

Anastasia was famously whacked in 1957 on the orders of Vito Genovese, who wanted Anastasia gone as part of a plan to take out Frank Costello and assume control of what would become the Genovese family.

Genovese used Anastasia's brutal behavior to help win support. It wasn't a difficult job, as Anastasia was known for being an unstable killer, who had once had a citizen killed because he didn't approve of citizens informing on criminals.

Genovese also highlighted the fact that Anastasia had been selling memberships to what would soon become the Gambino crime family for $50,000, not only a violation of Commission rules, but something that made a lot of members furious. And if that wasn't enough, according to Valachi, Anastasia had been losing large amounts of money at the racetrack, which fueled Anastasia's surliness and unpredictability.

Anastasia may have been selling buttons -- or he may not have been. We do know, however, that on June 17, 1957, Frank Scalice, Anastasia's underboss and the one directly responsible for selling Gambino memberships, was also assassinated. Anastasia deftly approved the hit, and the subsequent murder of Scalice's brother Joseph after offering to forgive threats to avenge Frank.

Was Anastasia punishing his own underling or covering his tracks. I'd say I could not believe Scalice would even try such an audacious stunt without Anastasia's approval. A boss whacking his own underboss is pretty severe stuff.

What is really interesting about all this is the perceived value of mob membership.

Fifty-thousand dollars in 1957 would be worth $422,000 today.

But $10,000 today would be worth $1.2 million in 1957.

Still, it is safe to say that mob membership just isn't what it was worth back in the 1990s...
Posted by Ed Scarpo at 5:17 PM
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 07:20 AM

I was at the federal court when apponick was saying borgesi would sell him his membership for 10k... that apponick guy was a funny witness but was robbing stores and banks while a govt informer....
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 08:58 AM

The whole membership selling thing just furthers the general opinion that the Philly Crew is not true Cosa Nostra.

No doubt, this stuff happens everywhere in organized crime; greed fuels the underworld. Philly exemplifies that. They pick and choose what works for them from the LCN "handbook of rules".

Can't argue that Scarfo's greed and treachery finished Philly LCN. But, he knew the rules; understood LCN inside/out. He just chose to manipulate them to his advantage.

Stanfa was a last-ditch effort by Gambinos to gain control of Philly. He was a complete fucking dummy fraud who didn't understand LCN. Proof is Previte and Veasey and the 1,000s of hours of tape where he is making threats.

Merlino and Natale?? Yeah, right.

I can't imagine mostly any of the "young turks" faction in Philly, really appreciates or respects LCN. The only guys in Philly who likely understands and respects LCN, are the ones that interact with the NYC families.

I'm not saying LCN should be looked upon like bible study. But jeez, if your gonna do something, do it right.
Posted By: Crash

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 09:47 AM

No way can Borgese go back to modeling, he is too old. He left modeling and went straight to the streets...
Posted By: Bugsyvegas1930

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 01:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Crash
No way can Borgese go back to modeling, he is too old. He left modeling and went straight to the streets...


Modeling? How does a half pint midget model? On top of that, he looks like Bruce Jenner or a pile of vomit.
Posted By: Facchia

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 01:11 PM

Travelocity might have an opening for their commericals.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 01:35 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
The whole membership selling thing just furthers the general opinion that the Philly Crew is not true Cosa Nostra.

No doubt, this stuff happens everywhere in organized crime; greed fuels the underworld. Philly exemplifies that. They pick and choose what works for them from the LCN "handbook of rules".

Can't argue that Scarfo's greed and treachery finished Philly LCN. But, he knew the rules; understood LCN inside/out. He just chose to manipulate them to his advantage.

Stanfa was a last-ditch effort by Gambinos to gain control of Philly. He was a complete fucking dummy fraud who didn't understand LCN. Proof is Previte and Veasey and the 1,000s of hours of tape where he is making threats.

Merlino and Natale?? Yeah, right.

I can't imagine mostly any of the "young turks" faction in Philly, really appreciates or respects LCN. The only guys in Philly who likely understands and respects LCN, are the ones that interact with the NYC families.

I'm not saying LCN should be looked upon like bible study. But jeez, if your gonna do something, do it right.


Don't forget that the both Albert Anastasia and Frank Scalise were alleged to have sold memberships in the Gambino family. But those isolated examples, which were the exception to the rule, didn't mean the Gambinos were not an LCN family. The same applies to this case in Philadelphia. You can find examples in virtually every family of guys picking and choosing which rules to follow.
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 01:48 PM

@IVY. I agree with what you are saying. I just feel that the administration in Philly lacks any direct ties with the old=school ways of LCN. It has for some time

The NY families are just the same but there are still quite a few guys that believe in mob traditions and "codes of conduct".

I don't think that any of the "young turks" guys have a respect or appreciation for the LCN. How could they?? Most of them were brought in as outsiders or are 2nd generation to a guy who didn't truly understand it when he was involved. Of course, there are exceptions.

It would be like putting a forum member in the LCN. Sure, you can read all the stories about it, but without experiencing within the intended context, you really don't know.
Posted By: Crash

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 06:33 PM

George Borgese had it all when he was younger. He was chippenndale dancer with plenty of girls, a model, and some small time scams. When he got involved with gambling and all the other stuff, his life kind of took a bad turn. He doesnt even look like he works out that much these days.
Posted By: merlino

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 06:41 PM

Does anyone know how the 10th & O guys fit into the current underworld situation in s philly? I figure those guys are still making money via drug trafficking and don't interfere w the bookmaking that will be cranking up in s philly and jersey now w football going on. There is a huge void in the big money books out on the main line since it was taken down
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: George Borgesi new boss in Philly - 08/07/14 06:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Crash
He was chippenndale dancer... a model....


Sock model?

Balaclava's?
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