FBI agent on busting DiFronzo

Guy is retiring. Cool info on the Indian casino in CA DiFronzo went down for in the early 90s and how they got him in the first paragraph.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/apr/05/fbi-agent-davey-retire-public-corruption-mob/

Great article, John. "Always watching and listening; waiting for someone to make a mistake."

Because apparently, there were no actual crimes being committed in Southern California at the time.
Your hard earned tax money at work

LMAO @ this "in depth" article. Other than mentioning No Nose, Wings and Cheetahs which was/is mob controlled WTH was the point?

If you're asking why I posted it, I thought the first answer was interesting, and didn't know that's what had happened.

The FBI has it's priorities up it's ass

Not really. The mob is most dangerous due to its capacity for corruption. Every dime they make makes them more dangerous.

The mob corruption of Chicago's recent past is abhorrent to most normal people.

To me street gangs, terrorist cells, Outlaw biker gang meth dealers, Domestic terrorist militias and a host of other criminals are far more dangerous then guys in their 70s looking for an in at a casino.

Well, the FBI certainly has a lot more resources devoted to terrorism than it does the mob these days, if that makes you happy.

At least in Chicago, though, there is absolutely no question that the Outfit has traditionally been the cause of more corruption than any other criminal entity.

How bad was it? Harry Aleman's 1997 conviction is widely regarded as the first time a Chicago mob hitman was convicted for murder... as contrast to something like 1,500-3,000 mob-related murders over the same period.

And he wasn't even convicted during the first trial.

We are going to have to agree to disagree....I could post a 10 paragraph long rant about how the FBI has been responsible for scores of Mob related murders themselves, because they pit guys and crews against each other. I believe the reason for much of the urban decay in America is because of the absence of LCN. I contend the US interstate Highway system would never have been build without LCN, and that private equity firms high risk financial institutions are engaging in the same type of shylocking and bust outs the LCN has been prosecuted for, and that RICO is an abomination of the Justice system in America.

That is what mobsters and pro-mob people always say... but look at all the other corruption, blah blah blah.

That is true, but big banks occasionally get caught by the SEC and go to jail/get punished, too.

So why whine when mobsters get caught and go to jail?

As a logical construct it's nonsensical to say that ubiquitous corruption translates to corruption being acceptable.

It just means that the mob has a lot of company in the sewer.

claiming that the interstate highway system wouldn't have been built without lcn is the same type of silly logic that would claim there would be no planes without the wright brothers.

No, you misunderstand, I am not talking about breaking the law...I am talking about private equity companies buying half plus one percent of a company in the form of "venture capital" where the company pays dividends in the form of interest, and the very same day the companies infrastructure becomes valued higher then it's projected profit, they lock the gathes and sell off everything
Perfectly legal
We had a presidential candidate in that business
How is the HELL is that any different from a Shylock buying into a business, running it in to the ground and then busting it out???
There is NO difference, except the Shylock goes to prison, and Mitt Fucking Romney retires in Utah
Now apply RICO to things outside LCN
Why weren't the CEOs of Worldcom and ENRON charged under the RICO statutes?
Were they not "part of an ongoing criminal enterprise"?
You see where I am going here?

Actually that comparison makes no sense.
There would be no interstate highway system without the LCN because in the 1950s there was not a sufficient organized labor force capable of pulling off such a huge undertaking.
As massive as the construction was, it required the lowest skilled labor in all of the construction industry, and it also required local mom and pop contractors to work nationally across 48 states.
Enter the LIUNA (laborers international Union of North America)
who without the LCN would never have functioned as a viable Union. The Buffalo and Cleavland families alone made millions for the union through legal, I'll say it again, LEGAL loans through the pension funds.
It was that organization that made the Interstate highway system possible.

How many bankers have gone to prison for the 2000 stock market collapse and the 2008 market collapses? Trillions of dollars were lost and the government bailed out Wall Street at a cost of $3 trillion dollars. Just 2 years ago Jon Corzine openly stole $5 billion from investors and the FBI and DOJ didn't even investigate.

We're talking about priorities here. Should the government spend limited resources to investigate bankers who steal $5 billion or some bookies? You don't think the bankers and lobbyists are corrupting the system? You need to stop defending political and corporate corruption and cronyism.

People do awful things all the time that aren't necessarily illegal.

What's your point, that the FBI shouldn't investigate the mob because there are shady bankers?

Grow up.

That is not in most instances what Mitt Romney did, or what a leveraged buyout is.

You are telling yourself stories to make yourself feel better and give organized crime a patina of "well, they're just as bad as us."

Yes, there are shady business people. That has no relevance on whether the freaking mob should be prosecuted.

A more accurate comparison would be a payday loan place, which is legal, to juice.

So, therefore: open a payday loan place if you must, kids, don't lend juice!

See how simple that is.

Payday loans are another good example, but lete go back to private equity.

A business needs capital
You invest capital
the capital give you control of credit, the books and equity
The infastructure exceeds the potential on return of investment
You lock the door and sell everything off
I'll ask AGAIN, how does this differ from a shylock who loans a busness money, his return is lite, and buists the place out?

Legal relitivity...nothing more

No, thats not my point
My point is for the FBI to spend my hard earned tax money investigating octageneariens trying to get a foot in a casino, is wasteful and shows a complete lack of priorities.
maybe, just maybe the FBI should have been looking at sleeper cells back in 2001 instead of Mulbury street

We are not going to agree on this so let's just drop it.

I was actually gonna say that...I enjoy your posts and your prospectives.

You too man!

Tip of the hat to both you guys for taking the high road.

I, too, enjoy your posts.

Two things that caught my attention:

1. Surveillance techniques utilized by law enforcement. Makes me wonder what else is available. Can't help but think technological advances have provided more effective methods of "listening in."

2. Informants. Something we don't discuss very much. We talk about those who "flip," but not much is said about informants.

Might be something to talk about in the future.

Over and out on this one.

Over $5 billion goes missing from customer accounts overnight and nothing illegal happened? Grow a brain. Since the FBI didn't even investigate, how would they know if anything illegal happened or not?

What's your point? Becuase there are bookies, the FBI shouldn't investigate crimes on Wall Street?

Grow up

The feds also had that big bust on the 80's year olds in Buffalo playing Goldfish and poker back in the late 1990's. That was much more important that investigating US embassies being blown up in Africa

No, that's where you and I disagree.

What you're saying is because there is white collar crime the FBI shouldn't waste time prosecuting the mob.

I, like 99 percent of the sane populace, believe it and other law enforcement arms should prosecute both.

The sane people are winning because the FBI has dismantled most of the OC squads that go after poker games and sports betting. The insane people think that a poker games harm more people and does more damage to the country than the WTC being destroyed or bankers stealing a few trillion dollars. Good thing sane people are running the FBI these days

I'm really not sure what to tell you. The FBI *is* devoting far more resources to combatting terror than OC these days, at a rate, I believe, of around 3-1.

The mob in Chicago has caused far more damage than running a few poker games.

This is like talking to Ali G.

Ali G: "When is it legal to murder someone?"

Former Attorney General: "Never. Murder is a legally defined term."

Ali G: "What if he calls your nana a ho?"

Former Attorney General: "I see what you're getting at, but the answer is no."

Fuckin love that show.

every ethnic group is committing white collar crimes

plus crooked doctors, mortage schemes, politicians, ponzi schemes, terror, etc

the fbi is stretched a little thin

Why the fuck would you think that terror crimes are not investigated with 10x the amount of oc squads. Its funny really when goofballs say shit like "The feds also had that big bust on the 80's year olds in Buffalo playing Goldfish and poker back in the late 1990's. That was much more important that investigating US embassies being blown up in Africa" what type of stupid fucking comment is that. Yeah the feds this the feds that but there one of the reasons we are the greatest country In the world and were able to go on oc forums bitch about them, sure I don't agree with a lot the feds do but for you to say they dont devote 10x more resources to terror than oc is dumb. You ungrateful POS.

Don't get all crazy on me....just some food for thought...
30 years ago, how many 3 year old were shot in the head by a stray bullet playing on their front porch?
Go into a major city, any major city and look around.
With the exception of the Freedom Tower in NY, which is a unique situation, how many major construction undertakings have you seen in the past 20 years?
30 Years ago, would a NJ Governor have DARED cancel a public works project the size of the ARC tunnel?
Ask yourself, If it didn't exist, could the interstate highway system be built today?
Exceptions.....
I live about half way between Chicago and the small city of Rockford
Rockford has the smallest of the small LCN presence, a boss, underboss, Consigliere and a hand full of Soldiers and associates
Enter the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act...these guys pounced on it. The west side is booming with construction, most of North main is being widened, and these guys control everything from the heavy machinery to the port a potties
The result?
Rockford had the largest drop in Unemployment in all of Illinois, and top 10 in the nation

http://www.mystateline.com/story/rockfor...x2EmH_DSs-pSwoA

So far, no one got whacked, everybody gets paid, no one got hurt.
The biggest crimes?
Contractors had to stop by a Pizzeria in Rockford or a burger and rib joint in Winnebago and post a "performance bond" to get a contract.
That's all I'm sayin

Can i ask why you decided to make multiple accounts to agree with yourself? Someone with half a brain would've made them on different days at least. Creepy coincidence that multiple newbies appear the day after Nicky made the poll about you, it's of course no coincidence that they all completely agree with you .

I apologize to cookcounty, Arm has surpassed you.

A quick check by the admin of the dashboard will show I have ONE account and one account only...SC or any of the others are more then free to check it out and compare IPs
Just out of curiosity, who are these names who registered after me who agree with me?

How about these?

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=749011&page=1

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=771570#Post771570

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...1832#Post771832

All of which people have joined at that moment to say how great you are

Can i ask why you decided to make multiple accounts to agree with yourself? Someone with half a brain would've made them on different days at least. Creepy coincidence that multiple newbies appear the day after Nicky made the poll about you, it's of course no coincidence that they all completely agree with you .

I apologize to cookcounty, Arm has surpassed you. [/quote]

A quick check by the admin of the dashboard will show I have ONE account and one account only...SC or any of the others are more then free to check it out and compare IPs
Just out of curiosity, who are these names who registered after me who agree with me? [/quote]

How about these?

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=749011&page=1

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=771570#Post771570

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...1832#Post771832

All of which people have joined at that moment to say how great you are [/quote]

There are like 30 people on those threads, who the hell are you talking about? Name names.

Actually Camerel, never mind...having multiple scree names is against the posted rules of the site
If you think I have done it, the Admins can tell immediately, report me and have them check.
Otherwise, move on

so I been following this guys since I started reading this board and he's been boss since the 90tys or him an Marcello. he dodged the family secret trial and went legit people say. anyway guys about 90ty and if he wasn't bringing in new members. its gonna be like Cleveland.

Who?

DiFronzo.