Buffalo taking the war to the columbo family.

Any thoughts. About peter Faulk

Read and Learn....
Note that the battleground was almost totally Utica, There are those of us who were spoiling to take it to Brooklyn.
Mastracco was a Buffalo associate who Bretti thought was a mole, he was in fat informing on both the Colombos and Buffalo.
The people mentioned in the second paragraph were members of the the Falange crew (Buffalo)
This is just a tiny snippet of what went on from 76 to 91

The decade begins with the release of Dominic Bretti from prison in 1979 who sets up a crew -- including Donato "Danny" Nappi, Anthony John D'Amico, Jack "Jake" Minicone and Dawn Grillo -- with the reputed backing of the Colombo crime family from New York City. However, Bretti's run was brief because his conversations were being recorded by Anthony Mastracco who was an informant for the FBI. In 1980 Bretti and D'Amico were convicted for conspiring to murder Utica tavern owner Richard Clair, and in 1982 Bretti, Nappi and D'Amico were convicted for the 1979 murder of Grillo who allegedly had stolen $4,000 from him.
The decade ends with a federal racketering trial which finally brings down the remaining players -- Jack "Jake" Minicone, Anthony Inserra, Jack "Turk" Zogby, Benny Carcone, and his son Russell Carcone -- in the Salvatore and Joseph Falcone enterprise which had controlled the rackets in the city for 70 years through violent intimidation and public corruption. Unfortunately, however, the "key players who built the foundation . . . were never charged." Salvatore Falcone died in 1972, and his younger brother Joseph was a near-senile old man listed in the government's prosecution as an unindicted co-conspirator. Other unindicted co-conspirators in the racketeering case included "loansharking chief [Anthony] Falange, [and] gambling kingpin Angelo Conte" who were dead. Joseph Falcone died at 90 on March 27, 1992,

What does this have to do with peter Faulk ?

He once performed at the Stanly theatre in the 50s, what does that have to do with Buffalo?

What did he perform thought he just did that show columbo. Was he on stage with his rain coat and note pad telling jokes

fat tony got picked up on the wiretap saying the big boys in nyc will make the decision on who would be boss, but carmine will be like the key factor in the thing. arm why did persico have so much clout in upstate ny. was it like a satellite family. 2 different factions kept going to meetings at palmaboys club to see who the boss would be and fat tony was getting recorded the whole time.

if he stuck around the colombos persic would have found a reson to clip him. 1980 snake was at the height of his power so he gave the ok to kill the jilly guy. he got hit by a motorcycle team rite?

Greed met oppertunity, and Persico and Bretti underestemated Falcone and Falange.
Joe Falcone was in LCN for 60 years, did almost no time and died of natural causes.
Persico should thank GOD Falcone was still calling the shots and decided to contain the problem, becuse there were those who wanted to take it to Persico's front door.

He had an extensive stage career,best known for "The Prisoner of Second Avenue"...but I digress

Hey is there a picture of peter Faulk and persico and a few of the buffalo crew. Like the old shot of sinatra and don carlo. Just saying you never no or would that be in rare photo sec

Yeah, Faulk, Bretti, Carcone, Me, Nappi, the Mayor of Horseheads NY, Joe Falcone and Paddy Calabrese who came out of the WPP just for the photo op.

Waow...did you just copy and paste this?

http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/2009/05/page/15/

And persico. Which persico carmine or ally boy

I DID..except the forst paragraph...Why?..if I had wrote it out freehand would you be more likely to beleive it?
The story has HUGE gaps, if you are interested we can reverse engeneer this, I can fill them in and then you can do the reserch for accuracy

The peter Faulk persico buffalo picture has huge gaps OH NO

At least quote the Author of the text, i made the mistake of copy and pasting album reviews on here before..

You wish.

Read and learn...

I wish what?
People like you make me LMAO
On one hand, you want liiiiiiiiiiiinks ciiiiiiiitations to any claim anyone makes, then when the liiiiiink or ciiiiiiitation is provided, you complain that it was a cut and paste.
You need to make up your mind Sport

Fair enough
This was from a series in the Utica newspapers.
The left out a LOT of detail and got a few things wrong, but for the media it was a not-too-bad rundown on the Colombo-Buffalo battles, which were collateral battles of the ABC wars

http://www.uticaod.com/x1518870796/The-Mob-Files-Day-7

More....

It was later found via wiretap that this was not supposed to be a hit, but a simple burglary. The Colombos wanted the files on their associate AJ D'Amico to see if he was seeking a deal since he was implicated in the Grillo hit. Dequino was just in the wrong place at the wrong time

That link is a really interesting read, thanks.

No problem...more to come on the Colombo-Buffalo war when I have a chance.

http://fultonhistory.com/newspaper%202/U...%20-%201041.pdf

In the long history of Colombo blunders, this may have been the biggest blunder of all...The Falange crew (Buffalo) had beat them down to a handful of guys and their skipper Dominick Bretti, and they were left to nibble on crumbs in Upstate NY, and in the middle of it all they murder a woman,(over nothing) get caught on tape with a Buffalo turncoat who was actually an FBI informent, and put the final nail of the coffin of the Columbos in Upstate NY.
We won, and we celebrated, but not for long...stay tuned

How the fall of the Colombos in Upstate NY, brought down some of the Buffalo crew along with them...If you wonder why I speak with such hate for the Colombos in these Fora...this is why.

For the record, they got one major and important detail worong, they implicated the Falange crew in the Marrone hit. That isnot the case, it was the Colombo crew who whacked marrone and in fact, that is what escalated the war.

http://www.uticaod.com/x272613696/Utica-...evisited/?tag=2

arm who was the guy the Springfield genovese crew shot in the barn in the 80tys said he was from uttica and tried to muscle in western mass. Angelo Bruno was acquired at state trial. crazy Phil took the stand. I like ya stories I don't care if no one else.does. everyone entiittled to there own opinion.

You will have to wait for the reply, Pmac. The Arm needs to find an article about it first!

@ TheArm, I don't mean to pry but are you connected? You seem pretty knowledgeable and whether it's all bullshit or not, I enjoy reading your posts, mate.

O ya hes connected all right, da word is that hes a high ranking member(possibly in the administration) of the Google Crime Family!

Hahaha!

The guys name was Angelo Bennadatto, his daughter was beaten nearly to death in Florida a few weeks late

...and thank you.

Just wondering SC, does the above qualify as a "snide" remark?
Still not complaing, just doing my part to assist you in "keeping some semblence of order", and pointing out specifics to the moderator, as you requested

Fully engaged 25 years ago, just maintain old friends these days
Glad you find the info useful
As for it being true, none of my handful of detractors have EVER documented a single inconsistancy, lie, falsehood or conflict in anything I have ever claimed (beleive me if they could, they would)
Everything in this thread, I had already talked about and they claimed it never happend, not that I have documented everything I have claimed...well...they struggle to save face
My own name is embedded into the thread in one of these articals, it is amusing that the internet slooths had that go totally over their heads

I'm certainly not defending this guy, but you all wanted "internet facts" and now that's a negative for him.

Whatever... Carry on.....good times....

I don't know if you're telling the truth and I don't care. But just for the record, it's more than a "handful of detractors." The poll was something like 24 to 3 in favor of you're being a fraud. The mods mercifully removed the thread to save you that embarrassment.

And again, I don't care one way or the other. I'm just pointing it out for the sake of clarity.

Why would I be embaressed?
Actually, the embarrassment should be on the part of those who I appearntly own so much space in your heads you saw a need to st up such a silly thing as a poll.
You want to co0mpletly humiliate me, catch me in a lie, an inconsistance, a misquote, a misrepresentation of the history I have first hand knowledge of.
Till then...just feel free not to beleiove ANYTHING I say, but try not to keep losing sleep over it

No.

Feel free to research the answer I gave you...his daughters name was Angela, and she was found nearly beaten to death in a ditch on the side of I95 in Florida
Good times...indeed

Cool...keep up the good work!

What about 'Ndrangheta being bunch of clowns? It's one of the most ridiculous statements I ever read on the internet.

If this guy can't definitively PROVE his identity but won't stop making such an issue of ramming his "authenticity" down our throats... Then do us a favor and ban this attention seeking douche once and for all, SC.

That's my opinion and what I'd do in your shoes (I used to admin a moderately large forum community). This is the last time I'm even going to dignify this half assed internet gangster with my time and attention.

Have you seen the Canadian incarnation in action?
I have
That is the only faction I ever commented on, and calling them clowns is an insult to kid party clowns everywhere
"The most feared OC organization in the world' uses whacked out outlaw bikers as their muscle, and sells bootleg cigarets out of the trunks of cars?
Really?

I hardly mention my background unless asked directly, you guys are a lot more fixated on than I am.
Like I said, Catch me in a lie or an inconsistency in my story.
People challenged me to show "proof" that there was indeed a war between the Colombos and Buffalo, and denied it ever happend, and I have done so in this thread.

Although his jumping up and down look-at-me attempts at seeking attention are becoming very tiring he really hasn't broken any board rules. Don't feed the troll by answering him. Ignore him.

I concur, I in fact either have used the "ignore option" or just flat out ignore the posts of several people. Great advice

can you clarify "semi-retired"

does that mean you can get called up from the minors if upstate NY needs a righty outta the bullpen?

Back top the topic...I found this while reading other things, this is one of those peces of misinformation that will not die, largely because the FBI has published similar information at one point, then later corrected it.
The Flange crew was not responsible for the murder of Marrone, the Colombo crew was. Marrone had just gotten out of prison and his first day out, Threatened Dominick Bretti. Bretti took the beef to Falcone and a sit down was arranged but it never took place, Bretti was a hothead and had Marrone whacked, claiming since he was a made guy and a capo, he didn't need permission or a sit down to take out Marrone. Falange and Marrone were far from close, and there had been conflict over territory before the marrone hit, but this is what in fact started the Colombo-Buffalo war

Anthony Falange - Utica, New York area, took over the areas rackets after Joe Falcone stepped down as the official Buffalo crime family caporegime in the early 1970's to become the Consigliere or retire. Tony Falange had been involved in a conflict with underling Al Marrone over control of the areas rackets and some believe the leadership, Marrone who has been mislabeled as a Buffalo caporegime was assassinated in 1976 for apparently threatening Falange and trying to take over. Falange and various members of his crew were indicted and arrested in the early 1990's for a 1983 bombing and a plot to kill an F.B.I. informant, Falange who had been the area boss for roughly 16 years died just before the trial began.

I own a business (Legal) where I brush up against Chicago and Rockford guys all the time, and I sometimes walk a fine line of legality. My legal retainer is not a luxury but a necessity.
If called upon by old friends to stand up I might, depending on the situation.
If ever sent for, you bet you ass I would go.

best answer ever thank you

No problem,,,and thanks

why is my text not visible if a post a longer reply

I had the same problem earlier

The Arm and Harry Knuckles have taken this disagreement to the shout box Harry is getting the best of him so far

Do tell?
LOL
he asked for proof, I posted proof
I called his bluff...the end

Arm,
What did you actually do as an associate to these families? It seems to me you really wanted to be made? You must be in your 50s-60s so there must have been a reason you were not made or asked to be?

I earned in those days by running guns between NJ, NY City and upstate NY. In those days evidence rooms and cops were like Wal mart for guns. I "reported" directly to a skipper because my dad, a made Buffalo guy, asked for him to take me under his wing.
When all hell broke loose in the late 70s,like everyone else, I got sent for and was called to the mattresses, both literally and figuratively.
We beat down the Colombos and sent most of them back to NY crying like bitches, and the home grown Utica/Rome Syracuse crew had all but given up...we won the war, but as a result some of us got pinched as well
I was looking at RICO perquisites that would have put me awy for 30 years, but I never flipped. When you have a made dad and two made uncles who the fuck can you?
In the end the Feds had fucked up my case and I ended up doing back to back misdemeanor sentences,consecutively.
When I got the world was my oyster, I stood up, didn't flip and did the right thing. There is no doubt in my mind I could have been made in a year, two tops; Instead I asked to pull back a bit, and got the nod.,,,,There is a lot more too it than that but that is it in a nutshell. Some people ask how I have knowledge of so many crews and areas, it is because I come from a family who's name allows me access and a place to hang my hat in a lot of different places

http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/anthony-inserra/

More Stuff I taked about previously, including the "barge canal gang"...and the story that corrected the previous one which I said was wrong, that it was the Colombos, not Buffalo who whacked Al marrone

I should add, I came up with the current skipper who runs that crew today...we hung out as kids, and were pretty much at the same level at the time I backed away...I still keep in touch and we see each other at weddings and funerals...I often wonder if I had gone a different way, if I would be dead, incarcerated, or maybe a skipper myself

You should see the way the arm came up and all the places that bitterqueens bring his name up..he always kept a clean rap sheet till he got a felonie w. acting da fool w bill bellomy fighting in the mall with fivefelonies oh the jealously

Bullshit Arm, In this thread you clearly flat out say that the Ndrangheta doesn't even exist(which is ridiculous) and you make no mention of Canada.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post770015

How about your other gem about how the pittsburgh mob has 3 capos and 17 soldiers, which is just an out right lie.

Small potatoes, small potatoes. You could have been bigger than us steel

Arm... ammuni, n'n si preoccupatu ka cu'egghie... e si un ti cunviani, lassa lu iddru.

And speaking of the Buffalo crew-- who is the boss there now ??? last I had heard it was Leonard Falzone. Anyone know???

Bigboy, the most recent report I heard was it is Falzone still in charge. I heard something about Todaro's grandson but don't think that has been confirmed

was Angelo bennadato a made guy in the buffalo FAM. and isn't Utica to buffalo like a 5 hour drive . uticca to Springfield is like 1 and a half. there was a old genovese guy in uttica had huge pull everywhere died about 7 yrs ago. the FBI took his funeral book to see who came and went.

fuck it, if i can't post i can't post

...but you just posted, I don't get it. Are you getting any error messages?

No it's just that if I write a reply a bit longer it appears as empty text after it's posted

It's either one-sentence posts or nothing

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...I don't get it. I don't think there are any maximum post size settings anywhere. Guess I'll have to look deeper...

So it worked that time for you...

Funny, it worked after I pasted your post J Geoff but it doesn't work when I paste my reply to TheArm (I saved it in WordPad file) as you can see it's a post without text again

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There is no organization called Ndrangheta
never has been
It is a name given to a loosly connected group of criminals who do NOT refer to each other by that name
There is no organizatiopnal structure
Pittsburgh is what Pittsburgh is, and you are in no position to question my knowledge, unless yoiu can post proof to the contrary

I assume you're talking about in Italy as well? Can you please just give any link to anything that supports your statement 'Ndrangheta doesn't exist?

And for shits and giggles, since English isn't your native language and you're fluent in sicilian dialect, you have no problem to translate....

Arm... ammuni, n'n si preoccupatu ka cu'egghie... e si un ti cunviani, lassa lu iddru.

your MO seems to be to talk about small families in obscure parts of the country where you think it isn't likely there will be people who are from there are has connections there, and you can just say what ever you want about them, and when someone questions you, you just do the same song and dance about the FBI lies blah blah blah. I guess Pittsburgh is so far under the radar that all the OC related cases coming out of pittsburgh in recent years have been about Sonny Ciancutti and few of his associates making book, or relatives of people who used to be in the mob being involved in Joker poker, thats not a mob family, the proof shows the remanants of something that used to be there, Chucky Porter flipping gave the feds just about everything they needed to destroy the family and thats what thats pretty much what they did, combine that with attrition and Mike Geneovese not making many members the family DIED. but whatever, you can claim what ever you want, i don't care anymore.

Some time ago people said Cosa Nostra didn't exist as well. Also, neither the camorra has a vertical organizational structure, does it mean it doesn't exist?
And it's not true they don't use the term 'ndrangheta:
in this article with the text from the tapes
http://www.informarexresistere.fr/2013/0...l-boss-mancuso/
the boss Pantaleone Mancuso explicitly uses this word, even though he says the 'ndrangheta is now absorbed by freemasonry (don't know how true this is).

Sorry, it's in Italian. If you want, I can translate that part.

If we want to get technical, they don't generally refer to any of the mafie in that way: cosa nostra, camorra, 'ndrangheta. They say, "mafia". People make it sound like you go over there and they're holding signs, "I'm with the camorra." "Look at me, I'm cosa nostra."

i ain't in this argument but the arm knows some shit about the southburbs of chicago

it ain't no shit that you can read in the paper or on google either

Jesus chirst The Arm has Cookcounty of all people vouching for him, this just keeps getting better and better.


Now for the record i actually hope The Arm isnt lying about who he is, because the thought of some old washed up halfa wiseguy arguing with people on the internet and trying to convince them how much of gangsta he used to be, is a million times more pathetic than all the liars and frauds these forums have seen over the years. But ofcourse i dont believe you, either way go fuck your mother.

Arm the guys who you encountered were petty crooks, youv7e never encountered any real mafioso, so your claims are false so you have no horse in this race someone petty crook with an accent told you they were something which they weren't were goofy enough to believe them.

"I'm La Cosa Nosta, I was born Cosa Nostra, I will die Cosa Nostra"
John Gotti Sr
It is also in the making ceremony in most cases.
LCN has an organizational structure, rules, methods of redressing greivence....THTT is the difference

Good, so now we will no longer have to have these circular conversations where your best argument is "Nu Uh"
That is good for everyone concerned

But what the hell is this gibberish? You're throwing Gotti quotes at me? I don't need to be schooled in Cosa Nostra and I sure as hell didn't ask for the difference between. I asked you for a link to ANYWHERE that says there is no such thing as 'Ndrangheta in Italy.

And don't forget my translation.

No, Angelo was not made, but he tried to create a crew in western Mass.
The Genovese guy from Utica you are referring to was a former bar owner in Utica who passed away in Florida
PM me if you want his name, I would rather not put it in an open forum out of respect for his family .

But what the hell is this gibberish? You're throwing Gotti quotes at me? I don't need to be schooled in Cosa Nostra and I sure as hell didn't ask for the difference between. I asked you for a link to ANYWHERE that says there is no such thing as 'Ndrangheta in Italy.

And don't forget my translation.

You were wrong, people DO refer to themselves as LCN, and I pointed out the reason why One exists as an organization and one doesn't. Having said that, AGAIN my comments were on the Canadian incarnation, I realize Italy is completely different.

AS for your translation, either your Scala dialect is awful, or you intentionally mixed Scala, common Sicilian, Ghegeta, and calabrese dialects as a trick question...(For example, cu'egghie is Ghegeta, in Scala it's Cu'eggu" Either way, it made no sense...but thanks for playing

Lol your such an fucking moron its comical, i give you facts which you conviently ignore with YOU just saying "Nu Uh", yet im the one with out an argument.

Is that right?
Go tell "Russ" his dad was nothing but a petty crook, I dare ya tough guy

I thought we were done and you didn't care? I don't recall you ever giving any facts about anything
And the word is spelled "Conveniently"
Now be a man of your word and let it go, because you don't care anymore

You've said in the past that you're also referring to 'Ndrangheta in Italy, which according to you, doesn't exist. I know, because i specifically asked you when you first said it!!

I spoke sicilian dialect. You didn't translate any of it, even though you spoke sicilian in your house before you even learned english. Thank YOU for proving my point. You understand none of it and can't speak it.

Honey that was not Sicilian, I told you what it was. You need to fine better books or a better on line translator.
I have explained now 4 times what I mean buy the statement there is no such organization as 'Ndrangheta, you either get it or you don't
There was no such organization as the "westies", that was a media and street created name, just like 'Ndrangheta

I don't have a book or a translator. I speak it. You clearly don't. So, let's try this a different way. How about you say something to me in your native tongue.

Regarding 'Ndrangheta, I've read all your posts. You say the same thing verbatim.

I guess I'm a liar, looks like we have something in common after all.

As for facts look at my original posts, thats the facts about how the pittsburgh family died out, not some bullshit fantasy about there being 20 made guys left, there were barely over 20 made guys thirty years ago when the family still had power, the thought of them maintaing those numbers up until now is a joke.

ok grammar police, geez when reading this guys posts don't you just get the feeling your talking to a real life wise guy and not a 13 year old jerk off

TheArm, I don't want to get involved into the disputes about whether you are well informed or not, but Pantaleone Mancuso clearly says NDRANGHETA on those tapes, more than once. What did he mean with that word, according to you, if it doesn't exist? Also, if there is no organization structure, do you really think were all the defendants at the Operation "Il Crimine" trial framed? They were accused of being the temporary ruling board of the 'ndrangheta, with Domenico Oppedisano as chairman.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breakin...6-1226200282208

Good, so now we will no longer have to have these circular conversations where your best argument is "Nu Uh"
That is good for everyone concerned [/quote]
Lol your such an fucking moron its comical, i give you facts which you conviently ignore with YOU just saying "Nu Uh", yet im the one with out an argument. [/quote]


I thought we were done and you didn't care? I don't recall you ever giving any facts about anything
And the word is spelled "Conveniently"Now be a man of your word and let it go, because you don't care anymore [/quote]



I told you, post something other than regurgitated claims by IvyLeauge taken from the FBI misinformation echo chamber about Pittsburgh, and I will be happy to look at it. Till then, you are in no position to question my knowledge.
But it shouldn't matter, since you don't care anymore

Quelchu bonu consiglu,su'fo a il vostru equipqaggu, Supra lu majuri si 'nsigna lu minuri.

In this case, that would be me

I got to say, Arm. You are a grade A troll. You managed to push everyone's buttons and get angry responses from generally low key, nice posters. Dicknose would be jealous of all the attention you are getting.

"Your Knowledge" lol, great way to dodge FACTS. Guy comes online to tell everyone how much he wishes he was a skipper, how pathetic.

Lets try this....'ndrangheta is closer to "Mafia" than "La Cosa Nostra"
Make sense?
One is a generic, the other is specific

I have no control over others people feeeeeeeeeeelings.
I mentioned by background weeks ago, and have hardly mentioned it since unless others brought it up...that's on them

I said "I wish I was a skipper"?
You are a black belt at strawman and misquotes huh?

Prove me wrong...you have center stage
I can produce LIIIIIIINKS which back up everything I say from a variety of sources,,,,you have posts from other Fora members who's word you choose to take, originating from a source who went to the US supreme court for the right to publish misinformation, I even posted case law to prove that, remember?

Are you kidding me? Please another poster on here that speaks sicilian..please come read this! This is a hodgepodge of crap!!
Right from the first word, you're wrong! Sticking a "u" on the end of every word does not make it sicilian. This isn't even legible..something about being over the minimum. Thank you for proving yourself a fraud, at least as far as knowing the language. My work here is done. Game. Set. Match.

Yes please give us links where it shows that the ndgrangheta doesn't exist and that the pittsburgh mob has 20 made guys, ad that Rockford is currently making new members, Lets fucking see them! either produce the links or go fuck your mother.

Can't prove a negative Son, nor is all the information in the world on the internet. I posted info that Pittsburgh is very much active and even showed who the boss is. Everyone who has weighed in who lives anywhere near Rockford in these very forums has acknowledged that the presence of an emerging family and rackets is obvious,.(One is conveniently suspended at the moment),,,again, your answer,...Nu uh"
Your retort was "Nu uh"
Like I said, until you produce something prove me wrong, like an ndgrangheta leadership chart, or a law suit against the Pittsburgh or Rockford press by those IDd as members you are in no position question my knowledge

It says you and your crew should take my advice, people learn from standing on the shoulders of the wise...which in this case is me
Indeed, ask ANYONE who speaks the dialect and they will tell you that is exactly what it said
Yours was a jumbled mix of 4 dialects, one of which was not even Sicilian, much less Scala

Unni'cce focu prilu fumo pari
...and you are smoking fake like crazy

Holy Fuck your retarded you JUST posted that you can produce links that back up "EVERYTHING" you say, which is turned out to be another lie, you just can't stop lying can you?

Making some bullshit claim about pittsburgh still having 20 made guys, and naming Bobby Ianelli(who historically has been independent of the pittsburgh LCN) the new Boss, is not "providing info", its spreading delusions.

And just who the fuck do you think you are that you think your above being questioned, NOONE on this forum is above being questioned.

Prove me wrong...be a hero
I already posted my links and articles long ago , your turn, or is all you have "Nu Uh" still?

You posted crap. You copy/pasted some shit you found online. "People learn from standing on the shoulders of the wise"??? Who goes around talking like that? I was looking for conversational dialect. The kicker is, wherever you pulled that proverb from, got it wrong, only you wouldn't know it was wrong b/c you don't speak the language.

the arm after he caught 1 to the dome during the war...

I posted BOTH conversational and classic Scala, You couldn't read either one, you posted a combination of Gheg,(Do you even know what that is that you plagiarized?) Micky mouse school book Sicilian, low Calabrean and mixed Italian,,,,you failed badly
By the way sweetie, if you know a way to cut and paste from the internet on to this template, let me know.

No offense but if you folks think TheArm is a troll then why do you spend so much effort and time trying to discredit him? If he is indeed a troll you all have been played like a Stradivarius. I have to admit this whole exchange, that crosses multiple threads, is quite entertaining in a school yard 'did not, did so, did not, did so' sort of way.

First of all, it wasn't "long ago" that you started providing links to articles, you started doing after you got caught copying and pasting articles trying to act like it was your own first hand knowledge, lol how pathetic.

and second of all, and this is the best part, i don't have to prove shit because everyone knows that your liar

I know right?
I have never seen anything quite like it

Nope...posted the Pittsburgh and Rockford stuff for Ivyleague months ago....his response, same as yours..Nu Uh" except he added, "The FBI never lies"

Prove me wrong Son...be a hero
I mean if the press published a story naming you as a member of the Pitt or Rockford family, wouldnt you sue or at least push back?
Post the story on those law suits son...prove me wrong

Try and calm down. You're going to have an anxiety attack. The more you talk, the more ignorant you sound. Le delusione n'n hanni mai fine.

Buonanotte sceiccu.

Rodney Iannelli is actually a cub scout leader and Nat Galluzzo does animal balloons at kids parties...LOL

what exactly are you saying "nope" to? everyone saw you trying to pass off a copy and pasted article as first hand info.

what does you trying to pass along your delusions to IVY have to do with that? dumbass. as for the rest post about law suits is just clearly nonsense.

I am so calm I am doing my payroll time sheets and this crap at the same time...I simply pointed out Ghegeta (most of what you tried to pass off) is not Sicilian, no matter who told you it was, it is in fact spoken far more often in Calabria and Bari

this board is the first that pops up in a wide variety of mob-related searches which means alot of people looking to get their feet wet will join and look to learn stuff. this is very problematic when you have a known delusional fool like the mope in question spewing all kinds of nonsense. look, we have a guy who makes the most outlandish claims with no other justification other than his word. there is no way to verify anything he says, so he has a convenient and lazy way out. it's similar to the town loser who claims to have a girlfriend that lives in another state, yet nobody has ever seen her. when confronted, the same deflection oriented tactics are used.

the guy is arguing about italian dialects with somebody who's husband is from sicily. someone who has spent a a considerable amount of time over there, yet he knows best. if you claim that it was your first language then are outed as a fraud, why should anyone believe anything you say about anything else, especially when those same claims are so outlandish? the arm has about as much credibilty as president soetoro. only true idiots incapable of independent thought looking to hear what they want to hear entertain any of his foolishness.

The Arm, what are non-sociopathic members of the mob like after they've committed a murder?

Are there any non-sociopathic/narcissistic mob members or hang-arounds?

And just who the fuck do you think you are that you think your above being questioned, NOONE on this forum is above being questioned. [/quote]

Prove me wrong...be a hero
I already posted my links and articles long ago , your turn, or is all you have "Nu Uh" still?
[/quote]


Nope...posted the Pittsburgh and Rockford stuff for Ivyleague months ago....his response, same as yours..Nu Uh" except he added, "The FBI never lies"

Prove me wrong Son...be a hero
I mean if the press published a story naming you as a member of the Pitt or Rockford family, wouldnt you sue or at least push back?
Post the story on those law suits son...prove me wrong [/quote]

what exactly are you saying "nope" to? everyone saw you trying to pass off a copy and pasted article as first hand info.
.[/quote]

NOPE,,,Again, your straw man is becoming unstuffed
people asked for proof of my claims that indeed Buffalo and the Colombos were at war at one time and denied it happened, I simply produced proof of what I had been saying for months.
In other words son, you asked for proof, I produced it,,,I was right, you were wrong
Now...prove me wrong, since it is now clear your claim that "you don't care anymore" was a lie

FF, by the way, I showed that sentence that Arm posted to me, to my husband and asked him what it said and if it was anything close to dialect (just to be 110% sure). He read it 3 times and said he couldn't even understand it but it definitely wasn't sicilian. It wasn't anything, actually, and he couldn't even translate it.

She posted Gheg, not Sicilian....the end

Clearly, your husband has roots in Albanian transplants, since what you posted was Gheg. Either that of you just made it up, but I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt

Try to read for comprehension. I said I showed him what YOU posted. Don't worry about giving me the benefit of the doubt, I'm right, you're wrong.

Three underbosses acting like children, thier bosses must be proud. Why dont you ignore each other on the forums so other viewers can enjoy the site.

Tell me something, what does respect mean to you all?

Ok so why feed him then if thats the case? If you feed a stray it tends to stick around, you feed a troll then likewise. And no offense to Carmella, I am sure she is totally honest, however this is the internet how do we know those claims are true? I am not doubting just saying. Its the same thing. I don't know sicilian, hell I am not even Italian lol so how do I know who is right? Do you speak/read Italian? If not how do you know who is right besides who you judge to be more credible? I am not saying either is correct. All I am saying is this is no longer an argument to disprove a theory or historical fact, it's turned into a pissing match of who can prove TheArm is a fraud and quite honestly if there are new folks coming to read the board and learn about OC (which is why I come here) does someone telling someone else to go fuck their mother in an effort to discredit another poster add to their credibility and more so to the forums? Just food for thought.

I have always been told once you kill someone the first time, it is a walk in the park after that.
Most of thye LCN are not killers, that is a big misconception. About 90% of the killing is done by 10% of the people, and in my experience, mostly low level or associates

Because a lot of these guys on here know me and have seen my facebook, see that I speak sicilian with all family members from Sicily on a daily basis, and are familiar with my husband, etc etc.

Are mob guys fun to hang around? Can you relax around some guys or is there always tension in the room?

Can you never make a true friend in the mob?

I'm trying to be fair to her and give her the benefit of the doubt. Most of what she posted was called "Gheg", which is a dialect spoken in Sicily,but more often in Calabria and Bari.
It might well be the language of her Husband, but it is not Sicilian,,,,that's all I'm sayin

my fist cat dave was a stray. he was around before i fed him. he was an american shorthair gray with white boots. he was also more connected than the arm.

My father is also born in Sicily. I've been speaking it all my life.

lol sorry about that, i was just channeling my inner Joey Diaz

Who the fuck call their cat dave?

I was young when I was on a crew, and some of the guys had known me since I was a kid. One of the kids I grew up with is now a Buffalo capo.
So yeah, there were good times
Things got tense when it came to money and if someone fucked up, and I cqam of age in the middle of a mob war, not such good times

You can call it "Sicilian" if you like, but just know that what you speak is an imported dialect...no shame in that, it's just a fact

I hope you didn't misunderstand, I wasn't attacking your credibility or anything just making a point that a lot of folks like me don't know you and take everything that we read online with a grain of salt.

Maybe the TheArm is full of it, I don't know, but like most posters here I can take what he says and use it as a leaping point to do further research that I learn from.

I got really bored with the insentient obsessive whining, so I put two of them on ignore...more to come I'm sure.
I think that is best for all concerned

It's ok. I understand, and I'm done. I proved what I had to.

Dude...go back to the post where I answered her request to post something in Sicilian, and put it in a search engine, you will find it is indeed Sicilian, hers you most likely wont, because she speaks in a dialect that is highly localized

That you speak Gheg...you should be proud of that, it is a dying language. I hope you teach it to your kids becuse once it's gone, it's gone

LOL No apologies, I was just making a point. I enjoy your posts Dellacroce. Besides youre like the most awesome mobster of all time.

I will play armature sleuth and declare that I nailed it when I said her Family roots were based in displaced Sicilian Albanians.
For one thing she speaks the Gheg dialect, and when I mentioned it, she changed the subject.
Not sure why. the Albanese Sicilians are generally good people.

So anyway...I took Lilangie's flame thread and turned it around into posting proof to those who have doubted me, and claimed that the Colombos and Buffalo "were never at war"
I have put that question to rest...it was the biggest Mob battle almost no one outside Brooklyn Buffalo or Utica/Syracuse never heard of

Arm you just proved her point.

[quote=TheArmo ..it was the biggest Mob battle almost no one outside Brooklyn Buffalo or Utica/Syracuse never heard of[/quote]

Tbe mob runs all the gay bars and those citires making huge profits. These used some bikers to smuggle a lot of good drugs in from Canada as well

TheArm, you don't your head from your ass. That "sicilian" you post above is garbage, you polak.

No she made mine.
What she posted was a dialect spoken in localities in Sicily and southern Italy, NOT Scilian, Scala or Sicala, which are the actual indigenous dialects

Yeah she's speaking Sicilian as they do there. Putting a sentence into Sicilian on a translator won't come out right. Saying it'll make sense in translate proves what Carmella is saying

I didn't say put it in a translator, I said put it in a search engine. You wont find much Ghegeta on line because it is a highly localized dialect
I'll say it again, and while I agree it is largely semantics, it is an important distinction;
What she wrote was a dialect that is spoken in localized areas in Sicily, and other places as well.
It is not however, "Sicilian"

this shit is cracking me up. I'm Irish so I'm not going to pretend I know a damn thing about the Sicilian dialect, but I know enough about Carmela that I know she's not a liar and she knows her shit when it comes to Sicily and the language. If someone is pulling shit out of their ass it ain't her.

Which leaves one lying douche bag as the culprit. Lol probably some 11 year old dickweed sporting his first chubby looking at pictures of Carlo Gambino. Probably has fantasies about Vito Genovese taking a dump on his chest.

LOL at this guys claim of being in a war You know who he really was? "The arm is the bitter queen he was a true grunt who wore women's underpants in the XYZ Wars"

Full credit to Mikey O for the last quote

Your girl tried to pass of a dialect spoken more in Calabria than Sicily as "Sicilian"
I spoke Scala (an actual Sicilian dialect) before i spoke English, she couldn't read it
The End

First of all she certainly is not "my girl" she's married.

Secondly I've been on these boards long enough to know the difference between someone who knows their stuff and a bullshitter and you sir are a complete and utter bullshitter.

Third of all I know because anyone with the slightest amount of knowledge almost always never brags about it or talks about it like it happened on the news. I take it you're under 18, so I'll let you in on something. The mafia isn't something to be proud of, glorify or a tool to make yourself look like a big man. If you were truly some connected big wig you would stick to what you know and nothing more. The fact you claim things like Pittsburgh has 20 members, there's still a Rockford family, and making out like there's no such things as the Nhdreghta is enough.

I'm not here to debate on those subjects, but it doesn't take much to know when someone has something to offer and when someone is some whacked out crazy dude or 13 year old pissant.

"I wish you a pleasant evening, the gravy is good tonight"

TheArm, I think I know who you are. Goes by the nickname "Organized Buffalo"

I'll say it again, she tried to pass of a dialect spoken in various places in Sicily and southern Italy as "Sicilian"
Something by the way, when I called her on it, she never actually denied
She just didn't bank on anyone, including me, recognizing Ghegeda
Her odds were good, not a lot of people would have
That's the facts of the matter
Oh...and I'm over 50, Pitt does have about 20 members, there is a Rockford family, and there is no organization called Nhdreghta with any central structure or central leadership..(If you deny that, give me a rundown of the administration and leadership) Otherwise...thanks for playing

Like I said before I really don't care about any of that shit regarding Pittsburgh and Rockford or what not.

The true fact of the matter is she knows what she's talking about. You don't and she doesn't need to deny anything because she's not a fake piece of shit.

And wait a minute you just said the dialect is spoken in various Sicily. Does that not make it "Sicilian?"

Goddamn you're a card I can smell the bullshit from a mile away

thearm is such a fucking gangster, he makes 80 internet posts over a 3 hour period and obessively stalks a topic for days on end.

the mexicans in front of the home depot got a better shot getting inducted then this nerdy prick thearm, posting shit from his basement.

You're kidding right?...LOL
No,,,,a dialect that is spoken in Sicily, as well as Calabria, Bari and parts of Albania, is not "Sicilian"
Spanish is spoken in the US, does that make it English?
(good lord)
There are two recognized Sicilian dialects, Gheg is not one of them. Sorry, clearly you have wood for this chick, but the fact is she rolled the dice and ended up with the wrong person on the other end trying to pass of an imported dialect as Sicilian.
let me know when you come up with that Nhdreghta chart

Enough of this crap. This thread is shot to hell and now closed. If this childish shit continues in other threads suspensions will follow.