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Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985

Posted By: Snakes

Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 02:40 AM

This is something that I have been working on recently. I picked 1985 because it was pretty much the last year of the Outfit as truly dominant, nationwide force. Aiuppa, Cerone, LaPietra, and Lombardo were bound for prison and a new leadership change was in the works.

I cannot vouch for the 100% accuracy of the structure - it was mainly created from old charts, books, newspaper articles, web sources (Fosco, et.al.) and the like. The ages are pretty accurate - sometimes I had to make educated guesses, especially for some of the lesser-known guys, but I believe that around 95% of them are correct within a year.

By all means - if you see something that needs correcting or modifying, please let me know. This is definitely not meant to be definitive and I accept all constructive criticism. As far as who is made and who isn't, I didn't want to definitively put anyone in that category. Obviously, the administration guys and the capos were made, as well as the guys mentioned by Nick in his statement, but there are several guys who were on the periphery, hence the inclusion of "or" in the asterisked statement below. If I had to guess, I would say around 60-70 made guys in the Outfit at this time period but I am definitely missing some made guys on this list. Like I said, open to suggestions.

*=Made guys or high-ranking soldiers

Boss
Joseph Aiuppa, 78*

Underboss

John Cerone, 71*

Consigliere
Alfonso Tornabene, 62*

Direct with Bosses
Dominic Blasi, 74*
Samuel Carlisi, 71*
Pasqualino Marchone (Pat Marcy), 72*
William Messino, 68*
Romie Nappi, 65*
Anthony Ortenzi, 64*
-Anthony Spilotro (In Las Vegas, through Joey Lombardo), 47*
--Chris Petti (In Las Vegas, under Spilotro), 58*

Capos
John DiFronzo, 57 (Elmwood Park)*
Joseph Ferriola, 58 (Cicero)*
Angelo LaPietra, 65 (26th Street)*
Joseph Lombardo, 56 (Grand Avenue)*
Alfred Pilotto, 70 (Chicago Heights)*
Vincent Solano, 62 (North Side)*

Street Crews

Cicero/Melrose Park
Street Boss

Ernest Infelise, 64*

Anthony Aleman, 44
Harry Aleman, 46*
Joseph Amato, 63*
Donald Angelini, 59*
Carmen Bastone, 54*
Salvatore Bastone, 50*
Robert Bellavia, 46
Frank Belmonte, 56*
Anthony Chiaramonti, 51
Dominic Cortina, 60*
Salvatore DeLaurentis, 47*
Gary Gagliano, 42
Joseph Grieco, 58
James Inendino, 50*
James Marcello, 42*
Louis Marino, 53*
John Matassa, Jr., 34*
Joseph Pascucci, 53
Frank Panno, 65
Robert Salerno, 51
Raymond Tominello, 45
Anthony Zizzo, 52*

Elmwood Park
Street Boss

Joseph Andriacchi, 53*

Dominick Basso, 47
Michael Biancofiori, 60
Michael Carioscia, 52
Michael Castaldo, 56*
Virgil Cimino, 42
Marco D’Amico, 49*
Joseph DiFronzo, 51
Peter DiFronzo, 52*
Joseph Lombardi, 52*
Lee Magnafichi, 59*
Carmen Migliore, 54
Joseph Spadavecchio, 57*

26th Street
Street Boss

James LaPietra, 58

Frank Calabrese, 51*
Nicholas Calabrese, 41*
James DiForti, 40
John Fecarotta, 58*
Michael Gurgone, 48
Joseph LaMantia, 51
John Monteleone, 61*

Grand Avenue
Street Boss

Louis Eboli, 50*

Vincent Cozzo, 49*
Frank Derosa, 42
James D'Antonio, 57*
Thomas Forliano, 36
Michael Malmenato, 54
Dominic Senese, 69*
Albert Vena, 37

North Side/Rush Street
Street Boss

Joseph DiVarco, 74*

Joseph Arnold, 74*
Frank Demonte, 57
Michael Glitta, 65*
Roland Ignoffo, 36
Charles Parrilli, 57
Louis Parilli, 72
John Rainone, 33

Chicago Heights
Street Boss

Albert Tocco, 56*

Albino Berretoni, 54*
Nicholas Guzzino, 51*
Christopher Messino, 46*
Dominic Palermo, 66*
Joseph Scalise, 48*
Gerald Scarpelli, 47
Frank Zizzo, 73*

Non-Italian Associates

Gus Alex (Direct with Bosses), 69
Sam Alex, 77
Joseph Barrett, Jr., 38
Sam Bills, 41
Wayne Bock, 51
Ken Eto, 66 (Government Witness)
Hyman Larner, 72
James LaValley, 41
Gino Martin, 63
Leonard Patrick, 72
Joseph Pettit, 61
Larry Pettit, 57
Michael Posner, 43
Frank Schweihs, 55

Retired or Inactive
Anthony Accardo, 79*
Dominic Brancato, 79*
Frank Buccieri (In California), 66*
Marshal Caifano, 74*
Charles DiCaro, 73*
Joseph Gagliano, 64*
Joseph Glimco, 76*
Vincent Inserro, 64*

Recently Deceased Members
Joseph Amabile, 60 (Died of natural causes, 1976)
Ralph Ammirato (Emery), 69 (Died of natural causes, 1982)
Jasper Campise, 67 (Murdered, 1983)
Frank Caruso, 72 (Died of natural causes, 1983)
James Catuara, 72 (Murdered, 1978)
Eco Coli, 60 (Died of natural causes, 1982)
William Daddano, 62 (Died in prison, 1975)
William Dauber (Associate), 45 (Murdered, 1980)
Rocco DeGrazia, 78 (Died of natural causes, 1978)
Dominick DiBella, 74 (Died of cancer, 1976)
Salvatore Giancana, 67 (Murdered, 1975)
Charles Inglesia (Chuckie English), 69 (Murdered, 1985)
James Mirro, 68 (Died of natural causes, 1982)
Charles Nicoletti, 67 (Murdered, 1977)
Dominic Nuccio, 83 (Died of natural causes, 1979)
William Petrocelli, 42 (Murdered, 1980)
Ralph Pierce (Assosicate), 87 (Died of natural causes, 1976)
Anthony Pinelli, 74 (Died of natural causes, 1974)
Rocco Pranno, 62 (Died of natural causes, 1979)
Filippo Sacco (Johnny Roselli), 71 (Murdered, 1976)
James Torello, 48 (Died of cancer, 1979)
Edward Vogel (Associate), 82 (Died of natural causes, 1977)
Posted By: funkster

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 06:36 AM

Good list.
Posted By: PhillyMob

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 07:03 AM

Yes very nice.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 08:19 AM

Great post Snakes.

You can also add Guido Fidanzi he was a soldier/associate and a hitman coming from the Chicago Heights.He worked under James Catuara.On August 8 1972 Fidanzi was shot seven times.Or maybe not because i can see your recently deceased limit is from 75

Also Sam Annerino but im sure if he was a member.He was known as big time hitman among Outfit bosses.

Posted By: EricKumerow

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 12:39 PM

Nice list, although I'm not sure JB was on the shelf. He came in from his retirement home after the Cooley mess and setup the next chain of command that still exists today.

Louis Eboli, that was a name from the past. He was a young up and comer but the big C shot him down.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1987-...commission-boss
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 01:48 PM

Yeah, I wanted to make a note that Accardo was only semi-retired but just rolled with it and put him with the inactives.
Posted By: ChiTown

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 05:30 PM

You cannot talk about the 1980s Outfit without mentioning Frank Milito, who was one of the more active Grand Avenue crew members. You should also add Tony Centracchio and Nick Ciotti to that GAC list-both were very active in the 1980s.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 05:52 PM

Gagliano is Elmwood, not Cicero.
Posted By: FriedRavioliFarts

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 10:28 PM



85 Oufit and 85 Bears baby! I believe Tominello is 26th Street? Also Chitown did Centracchio switch or something to Melrose Park later on? I remember him getting busted for paying off cops in Northlake, Stone Park, Melrose etc. to protect gambling out that way. Was he with Grand or Melrose?
Posted By: ChiTown

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 10:49 PM

Originally Posted By: FriedRavioliFarts


85 Oufit and 85 Bears baby! I believe Tominello is 26th Street? Also Chitown did Centracchio switch or something to Melrose Park later on? I remember him getting busted for paying off cops in Northlake, Stone Park, Melrose etc. to protect gambling out that way. Was he with Grand or Melrose?


I think it is very difficult to name who was in whose crew based on territory alone. So many were in so many different rackets. I had always seen Melrose Park as an extension of Grand Avenue and I do know that Centracchio was reporting to Louis Eboli in the early 1980s, who was in turn reporting to Lombardo. I think a lot of guys rotated through crews. Joe Andriacchi for instance came up in the Elmwood Park Crew under Jackie Cerone and Lee Magnafichi. He then however appeared to be running a major portion of Melrose Park and having Grand Avenue guys report to him.
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/05/14 11:15 PM

I thought Cicero more or less made a gradual move to Melrose Park? They were still known as the Cicero crew but there wasn't a lot of action coming out of there. I'm thinking late 80's, early 90's.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/06/14 02:15 PM

^^^^^^^

more like the town transitioned from Italian to hispanic
Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/09/14 01:35 PM

The Ferriola Crew was without a doubt the second roughest crew in Outfit history behind Giancana. Just completely stacked with hard heads top to bottom and absurdly deep. Hatch Chiaramonti & LT Zizzo (Big Tony & Little Tony) were two seriously feared individuals throughout the 1980s. I recall the LaBarbera wiretaps on Hatch: " I put a boot in my kid's ass & treat him like a motherfuckin' stranger" "my kid seen me work on guys at the fuckin track"
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/09/14 04:36 PM

@huronsocial


weren't the heights pretty violent?

they seemed to always be killing each other off even when ricca was alive

Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/11/14 05:26 AM


Originally Posted By: Snakes
This is something that I have been working on recently. I picked 1985 because it was pretty much the last year of the Outfit as truly dominant, nationwide force. Aiuppa, Cerone, LaPietra, and Lombardo were bound for prison and a new leadership change was in the works.

I cannot vouch for the 100% accuracy of the structure - it was mainly created from old charts, books, newspaper articles, web sources (Fosco, et.al.) and the like. The ages are pretty accurate - sometimes I had to make educated guesses, especially for some of the lesser-known guys, but I believe that around 95% of them are correct within a year.

By all means - if you see something that needs correcting or modifying, please let me know. This is definitely not meant to be definitive and I accept all constructive criticism. As far as who is made and who isn't, I didn't want to definitively put anyone in that category. Obviously, the administration guys and the capos were made, as well as the guys mentioned by Nick in his statement, but there are several guys who were on the periphery, hence the inclusion of "or" in the asterisked statement below. If I had to guess, I would say around 60-70 made guys in the Outfit at this time period but I am definitely missing some made guys on this list. Like I said, open to suggestions.

*=Made guys or high-ranking soldiers

Boss
Joseph Aiuppa, 78*

Underboss

John Cerone, 71*

Consigliere
Alfonso Tornabene, 62*

Direct with Bosses
Dominic Blasi, 74*
Samuel Carlisi, 71*
Pasqualino Marchone (Pat Marcy), 72*
William Messino, 68*
Romie Nappi, 65*
Anthony Ortenzi, 64*
-Anthony Spilotro (In Las Vegas, through Joey Lombardo), 47*
--Chris Petti (In Las Vegas, under Spilotro), 58*

Capos
John DiFronzo, 57 (Elmwood Park)*
Joseph Ferriola, 58 (Cicero)*
Angelo LaPietra, 65 (26th Street)*
Joseph Lombardo, 56 (Grand Avenue)*
Alfred Pilotto, 70 (Chicago Heights)*
Vincent Solano, 62 (North Side)*

Street Crews

Cicero/Melrose Park
Street Boss

Ernest Infelise, 64*

Anthony Aleman, 44
Harry Aleman, 46*
Joseph Amato, 63*
Donald Angelini, 59*
Carmen Bastone, 54*
Salvatore Bastone, 50*
Robert Bellavia, 46
Frank Belmonte, 56*
Anthony Chiaramonti, 51
Dominic Cortina, 60*
Salvatore DeLaurentis, 47*
Gary Gagliano, 42
Joseph Grieco, 58
James Inendino, 50*
James Marcello, 42*
Louis Marino, 53*
John Matassa, Jr., 34*
Joseph Pascucci, 53
Frank Panno, 65
Robert Salerno, 51
Raymond Tominello, 45
Anthony Zizzo, 52*

Elmwood Park
Street Boss

Joseph Andriacchi, 53*

Dominick Basso, 47
Michael Biancofiori, 60
Michael Carioscia, 52
Michael Castaldo, 56*
Virgil Cimino, 42
Marco D’Amico, 49*
Joseph DiFronzo, 51
Peter DiFronzo, 52*
Joseph Lombardi, 52*
Lee Magnafichi, 59*
Carmen Migliore, 54
Joseph Spadavecchio, 57*

26th Street
Street Boss

James LaPietra, 58

Frank Calabrese, 51*
Nicholas Calabrese, 41*
James DiForti, 40
John Fecarotta, 58*
Michael Gurgone, 48
Joseph LaMantia, 51
John Monteleone, 61*

Grand Avenue
Street Boss

Louis Eboli, 50*

Vincent Cozzo, 49*
Frank Derosa, 42
James D'Antonio, 57*
Thomas Forliano, 36
Michael Malmenato, 54
Dominic Senese, 69*
Albert Vena, 37

North Side/Rush Street
Street Boss

Joseph DiVarco, 74*

Joseph Arnold, 74*
Frank Demonte, 57
Michael Glitta, 65*
Roland Ignoffo, 36
Charles Parrilli, 57
Louis Parilli, 72
John Rainone, 33

Chicago Heights
Street Boss

Albert Tocco, 56*

Albino Berretoni, 54*
Nicholas Guzzino, 51*
Christopher Messino, 46*
Dominic Palermo, 66*
Joseph Scalise, 48*
Gerald Scarpelli, 47
Frank Zizzo, 73*

Non-Italian Associates

Gus Alex (Direct with Bosses), 69
Sam Alex, 77
Joseph Barrett, Jr., 38
Sam Bills, 41
Wayne Bock, 51
Ken Eto, 66 (Government Witness)
Hyman Larner, 72
James LaValley, 41
Gino Martin, 63
Leonard Patrick, 72
Joseph Pettit, 61
Larry Pettit, 57
Michael Posner, 43
Frank Schweihs, 55

Retired or Inactive
Anthony Accardo, 79*
Dominic Brancato, 79*
Frank Buccieri (In California), 66*
Marshal Caifano, 74*
Charles DiCaro, 73*
Joseph Gagliano, 64*
Joseph Glimco, 76*
Vincent Inserro, 64*

Recently Deceased Members
Joseph Amabile, 60 (Died of natural causes, 1976)
Ralph Ammirato (Emery), 69 (Died of natural causes, 1982)
Jasper Campise, 67 (Murdered, 1983)
Frank Caruso, 72 (Died of natural causes, 1983)
James Catuara, 72 (Murdered, 1978)
Eco Coli, 60 (Died of natural causes, 1982)
William Daddano, 62 (Died in prison, 1975)
William Dauber (Associate), 45 (Murdered, 1980)
Rocco DeGrazia, 78 (Died of natural causes, 1978)
Dominick DiBella, 74 (Died of cancer, 1976)
Salvatore Giancana, 67 (Murdered, 1975)
Charles Inglesia (Chuckie English), 69 (Murdered, 1985)
James Mirro, 68 (Died of natural causes, 1982)
Charles Nicoletti, 67 (Murdered, 1977)
Dominic Nuccio, 83 (Died of natural causes, 1979)
William Petrocelli, 42 (Murdered, 1980)
Ralph Pierce (Assosicate), 87 (Died of natural causes, 1976)
Anthony Pinelli, 74 (Died of natural causes, 1974)
Rocco Pranno, 62 (Died of natural causes, 1979)
Filippo Sacco (Johnny Roselli), 71 (Murdered, 1976)
James Torello, 48 (Died of cancer, 1979)
Edward Vogel (Associate), 82 (Died of natural causes, 1977)


Snakes good post, wtf you from chicago? you gotta have my back in them philly threads lol
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/11/14 05:30 AM

Melrose park is still a good town, filled wit Stand up guys!!!
Posted By: EricKumerow

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/11/14 02:11 PM

Yes Cicero may be 85% hispanic, guess who still runs the place? Just go to their website, I think there are 2 hispanics in the city government.

Then you have this piece of work....

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/n...sexual-lawsuit/
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/11/14 02:18 PM

@erickumerow


would u say that grand avenue is still operational?

how is it that they say elmwood park is deactivated but d'amico is still bookmaking?
Posted By: Outfit

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 06:42 AM

Joe Gagliano died in 1970 at the age of 56. He was with the Elmwood Park Crew.

Yes, Grand Ave Crew is still active. Chitown seems to know a lot about the Grand Ave Crew and he is pretty spot on with his postings from what I have seen from my review.

Elmwood Park is not deactivated. Marco D'Amico is a very powerful man in the Outfit.

Outfit men are considered made by their position within the Outfit. There never was a making Ceremony in Chicago.

Nick Calabrese was coached by the Feds to say some of the things he 'Reported'. You cannot take everything he said as the absolute accurate truth. The Feds 'coached' him for awhile before they went on their attack in the Family Secrets Trial.

None of the older Outfit guys ever went through a 'Ceremony' like they do in New York.

Tony Accardo, Joey Auippa, Jackie Cerone, Joe Lombardo, Angelo La Pietra, Vince Solano etc. etc. never went through a Ceremony.

They were all taken into a particular faction and worked on the street level at the beginning. Then, at some point, they moved up and were put in charge of something. At that point they were recognized as high level prominent Outfit men. This also included non Italians like Gus Alex, Ralph Pierce etc.

Chicago's way of doing things was always different than New York.
Posted By: EricKumerow

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 03:28 PM

Yes I think both are still active to a degree. The tough thing to still do in this day an age is collect street tax, or completely control a racket. It sure screwed Sarno.

The only crew that we know for a fact is toast is the heights IMO.

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
@erickumerow


would u say that grand avenue is still operational?

how is it that they say elmwood park is deactivated but d'amico is still bookmaking?
Posted By: funkster

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 04:15 PM

Check out my post in the other thread...recent Grand Avenue Crew stuff going ons.
Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 06:36 PM

No way the Heights crew was as heavy as the Ferriola crew.

No one was heavier in the 80s than Nagall's army, they were by far the deepest, most feared street crew since Giancana's. Elmwood Park may have had the prestigious political connections & such, but when it came to sheer manpower & toughness, they were a joke compared to the Cicero/Berwyn street crew under Joe Nick.
Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 06:39 PM

I dunno if we can attribute the Mandell situation to "Grand Ave goings on". Seems like a crazy loose cannon Jew who grew up with those guys & liked to toss names around. I won't doubt that Mandell has probably done lots of dirt with that crew, no doubt they took advantage of him when he was on the force but as far as this recent turn of events is concerned, it's pretty obvious to me that it was just something Mandell personally had going on.
Posted By: funkster

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 06:42 PM

Yeah I meant more that they are mentioned multiple times in the trial proceedings.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
No way the Heights crew was as heavy as the Ferriola crew.

No one was heavier in the 80s than Nagall's army, they were by far the deepest, most feared street crew since Giancana's. Elmwood Park may have had the prestigious political connections & such, but when it came to sheer manpower & toughness, they were a joke compared to the Cicero/Berwyn street crew under Joe Nick.



I ain't saying that they were on par with cicero

They spent too much time killing each other to be as strong as cicero
Posted By: Outfit

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 08:22 PM

@Cook County, Elmwood Park Crew is not deactivated. Marco D'Amico is the Capo of the Crew. DiFronzo is in the background like Accardo used to be.

All 4 Crews are functioning in a smaller more low key way than years ago.

I am in law enforcement and can tell you the ongoing myth on some of these threads about Elmwood Park being completely deactivated is wrong and somewhat ridiculous.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Outfit
Joe Gagliano died in 1970 at the age of 56. He was with the Elmwood Park Crew.

Yes, Grand Ave Crew is still active. Chitown seems to know a lot about the Grand Ave Crew and he is pretty spot on with his postings from what I have seen from my review.

Elmwood Park is not deactivated. Marco D'Amico is a very powerful man in the Outfit.

Outfit men are considered made by their position within the Outfit. There never was a making Ceremony in Chicago.

Nick Calabrese was coached by the Feds to say some of the things he 'Reported'. You cannot take everything he said as the absolute accurate truth. The Feds 'coached' him for awhile before they went on their attack in the Family Secrets Trial.

None of the older Outfit guys ever went through a 'Ceremony' like they do in New York.

Tony Accardo, Joey Auippa, Jackie Cerone, Joe Lombardo, Angelo La Pietra, Vince Solano etc. etc. never went through a Ceremony.

They were all taken into a particular faction and worked on the street level at the beginning. Then, at some point, they moved up and were put in charge of something. At that point they were recognized as high level prominent Outfit men. This also included non Italians like Gus Alex, Ralph Pierce etc.

Chicago's way of doing things was always different than New York.


Great, another bullshitter. rolleyes

But I do gotta give you credit. You claim you're in law enforcement. LOL! At least that's a new one. Yet you turn right around and say the feds are lying about the making ceremony. Even if you want to discount Nick Calabrese's testimony about the ceremony, they had Frank Calabrese on tape talking about going through the ceremony himself. Hard to explain that away.

Originally Posted By: EricKumerow
The only crew that we know for a fact is toast is the heights IMO.


You can also add the Rush Street crew to that list. Possibly others at this point.
Posted By: Outfit

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 10:01 PM

Frank Calabrese was referring to the making Ceremony in New York, not Chicago. They were talking about the movie, The Godfather, and how the author must have had a relative in one of the New York Families.

Chicago has never had a making Ceremony.It is irrelevant to a man's stature within the Outfit.

The Feds occassionally put out disinformation on purpose. It's been done for decades.

Btw, if you disagree, that's okay with me but i think it's very rude of you to start calling someone names.

We can respectfully agree to disagree.
Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 10:30 PM

That just simply isn't true, Ricca, accardo, campagna, etc were Cosa Nostra just like any of the American Mafia bosses, and there were/are most certainly traditional Cosa Nostra making ceremonies. Without them, the Outfit wouldn't be considered/labeled La Cosa Nostra by the feds. They would cease to call it Mafia.

I don't doubt that there may have been certain crews throughout history that said "fuck it, you're in, whatever, here are your new responsibilities" but those were few & far between.
Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 10:32 PM

I wouldn't say we "know for sure" there isn't a heights crew. The Rush St crew we know for certain was sanctioned into Elmwood Park. We also know there hasn't been a Taylor St crew for years. Both of those events were fairly well publicized.

What happened to an organized Heights crew is a little bit cloudy.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/12/14 10:48 PM

@huronsocial


there's a crew operating in the south suburbs and northwest indiana

there are alot of rinky dink towns in the southburbs that they've been in for years

according to the book "the boys from the heights"

they basically killed each other from the 50-80s, then got hit hard by the feds

they still have the strip clubs in the southburbs so somethings going on
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 12:58 AM

Originally Posted By: Outfit
Frank Calabrese was referring to the making Ceremony in New York, not Chicago. They were talking about the movie, The Godfather, and how the author must have had a relative in one of the New York Families.

Chicago has never had a making Ceremony.It is irrelevant to a man's stature within the Outfit.

The Feds occassionally put out disinformation on purpose. It's been done for decades.

Btw, if you disagree, that's okay with me but i think it's very rude of you to start calling someone names.

We can respectfully agree to disagree.


Wrong. You can read the documents provided by the U.S. Justice Department in the case, either of the two books written on the case, or any number of articles where Frank Calabrese specifically talks about going through the ceremony himself. I've read the transcripts of the tapes where he's talking to his son and describing taking the blood oath and burning the saint card, which he said he actually felt guilty about.

They could be posted right here but I suspect you would just claim it was "disinformation" from the feds. As if they needed to make up the ceremony angle to convict Calabrese and the rest. rolleyes

Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
I wouldn't say we "know for sure" there isn't a heights crew. The Rush St crew we know for certain was sanctioned into Elmwood Park. We also know there hasn't been a Taylor St crew for years. Both of those events were fairly well publicized.

What happened to an organized Heights crew is a little bit cloudy.


According to the feds back in 2007, there were 4 crews remaining - Elmwood Park, Grand Avenue, Melrose Park, and 26th Street. More recently, in 2011, one FBI official in Chicago said the Outfit was down to "two or three" crews. I think it's safe to say Chicago Heights is gone.
Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 03:42 AM

What I'm saying is that the other two defunct crews mentioned are known to have been deactivated & it is known when it happened.

The information on how & When the Heights got deactivated is paltry & almost non existent. Cicero & Chinatown likely run that area, but it is possible that there could still be a legitimate crew down there. It isn't likely, but it's more likely than rush street/Taylor.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 03:48 AM

Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
What I'm saying is that the other two defunct crews mentioned are known to have been deactivated & it is known when it happened.

The information on how & When the Heights got deactivated is paltry & almost non existent. Cicero & Chinatown likely run that area, but it is possible that there could still be a legitimate crew down there. It isn't likely, but it's more likely than rush street/Taylor.


I don't know if "deactivated" is the most correct term. It was probably more a case of the Outfit streamlining and combining crews and territory as it downsized over the years.
Posted By: TheArm

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 05:21 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Outfit
Frank Calabrese was referring to the making Ceremony in New York, not Chicago. They were talking about the movie, The Godfather, and how the author must have had a relative in one of the New York Families.

Chicago has never had a making Ceremony.It is irrelevant to a man's stature within the Outfit.

The Feds occassionally put out disinformation on purpose. It's been done for decades.

Btw, if you disagree, that's okay with me but i think it's very rude of you to start calling someone names.

We can respectfully agree to disagree.


Wrong. You can read the documents provided by the U.S. Justice Department in the case, either of the two books written on the case, or any number of articles where Frank Calabrese specifically talks about going through the ceremony himself. I've read the transcripts of the tapes where he's talking to his son and describing taking the blood oath and burning the saint card, which he said he actually felt guilty about.

They could be posted right here but I suspect you would just claim it was "disinformation" from the feds. As if they needed to make up the ceremony angle to convict Calabrese and the rest. rolleyes

Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
I wouldn't say we "know for sure" there isn't a heights crew. The Rush St crew we know for certain was sanctioned into Elmwood Park. We also know there hasn't been a Taylor St crew for years. Both of those events were fairly well publicized.

What happened to an organized Heights crew is a little bit cloudy.


According to the feds back in 2007, there were 4 crews remaining - Elmwood Park, Grand Avenue, Melrose Park, and 26th Street. More recently, in 2011, one FBI official in Chicago said the Outfit was down to "two or three" crews. I think it's safe to say Chicago Heights is gone.


As usual, you are completely clueless.
1. Chicago Heights is far from "gone", and anyone who has even lived in NE Illinois in the past 5 years would know that, even if they were not particularly interested.
2. Chicago has never, I'll say it again NEVER had a making ceremony. It has been part of their unique moniker for 70 years, and anyone who doesn't know that has no business discussing topics like this.
That's what happens when you "Never question the feds"....LOL
What a mook
Posted By: TheArm

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Outfit
@Cook County, Elmwood Park Crew is not deactivated. Marco D'Amico is the Capo of the Crew. DiFronzo is in the background like Accardo used to be.

All 4 Crews are functioning in a smaller more low key way than years ago.

I am in law enforcement and can tell you the ongoing myth on some of these threads about Elmwood Park being completely deactivated is wrong and somewhat ridiculous.


Thank you....Ridiculous is the word i would use as well. Elmwood park is not only still very much active, but full of some of the best earners in all the LCN. They collectively control millions of dollars in Business and commercial properties on the NW side, the NW burbs and all the way up the I90 corridor to Rockford, and they along with the St Ambrosio crew are making a killing on the stimulus Money Rockford is spending. All anyone needs to do is see who actually owns those holding companies who are selling all of that property on North Main and west State set for demolition, not to mention a lock on everything from the port a potties to the heavy equipment
Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 05:43 AM

If they didn't have a making ceremony, they would not be listed as one of the American La Cosa Nostra families by the government. Of course there are many things the feds are completely unaware of, and obviously they have fabricated things for the public over the years. However, if the Outfit weren't traditional Cosa Nostra, they would cease to be listed as such. They would be considered a random street gang.
Posted By: Outfit

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 06:35 AM

Yes, of course they were all Mafia. However, Ricca and all the old timers all the way up to the present never had a making Ceremony. The making Ceremony is New York and other places.

Chicago never did it that way and it had nothing to do with being part of the National Cosa Nostra even way back in 1931. Capone never had a making Ceremony and was considered part of the National Mafia Structure in 1931.

The making Ceremony is way over rated and means nothing in Chicago. Never did.

When Joey Lombardo said he never had his finger pricked or had a holy card burn in his hand, he was literally telling the truth. He obviously was lying about everything else.

The Feds schooled Nick Calabrese to say something about a making Ceremony along with a few other things he was told to say during the Family Secrets trial.

I would respectfully ask anyone else to show concrete proof of a making Ceremony in Chicago besides Nick Calabrese's "Story".
Posted By: SgWaue86

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 01:05 PM

I would ask for you to show proof there never was , matter fact I can't believe you even used "concrete proof" what fucking proof have you provided?
Posted By: BlackFamily

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 02:31 PM

I have two questions on this subject:
1. Was this the same structure back in Torrio & Capone days?
2. Why does structure indicates whether or not the Outfit is apart of the LCN umbrella?
Posted By: TheArm

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic
If they didn't have a making ceremony, they would not be listed as one of the American La Cosa Nostra families by the government. Of course there are many things the feds are completely unaware of, and obviously they have fabricated things for the public over the years. However, if the Outfit weren't traditional Cosa Nostra, they would cease to be listed as such. They would be considered a random street gang.


You and Ivy League seem to suffer from the same misconception, that information from the Feds is accurate
Fellas, the Feds went to the God Damned SUPREME COURT for the right to lie, decieve, and plant decoy fales information into both their classified and public information, and they won.
I have to laugh when he said 'I never question the FEDs"
They lie..it's what they do
Posted By: TheArm

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
I have two questions on this subject:
1. Was this the same structure back in Torrio & Capone days?
2. Why does structure indicates whether or not the Outfit is apart of the LCN umbrella?



Capone entered into the LCN kicking and screaming, he hated the entire concept, so in the days follwing 1935, he went out of his way to buck the new traditions.
Within reason..structure does not dictate if they or any other family is LCN. Every family has variations in ceremony, rules and tradition.
Posted By: HuronSocialAthletic

Re: Chicago Outfit Organizational Structure, c1985 - 02/13/14 07:38 PM

Originally Posted By: SgWaue86
I would ask for you to show proof there never was , matter fact I can't believe you even used "concrete proof" what fucking proof have you provided?


LOL goddamn pal, why are you so on edge all the time? Calm the fuck down & ask questions civilly.
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