Is Big Lou home yet?

Is he back running his crew or will he retire?

Big Lou who?

Big Lou from the Gambinos used to run Sammy's old crew

Do you mean Lou Vallario?

Yeah he pled guilty to conspiracy in the Fred Weiss hit.

Pretty sure he just got out in mid October.

I don't think he had anything to do with the Fred Weiss murder I thought that was carried out by Vincent Palermo from the Decavalcante Family as a favour to Gotti.

He pled guilty to conspiracy. It was Nj that ended up doing It

I was pretty sure that was it. I am positive he got out in mid October.

Yeah your right the Fred Weiss murder was a favour to john gotti it was carried out by vinnie Palermo and Anthony capo

although that one hit did put the decalvecantes in the good graces of Gotti who was basically trying to get the decaves to be a gambino crew, in the long run it had huge ripple effects that helped decimate the once powerful family. with the murder being the main reasons for capo and palermo flipping which lead to massive indictments against the small family, the hit is also responsible for quite a few gambinos going down, obviously vallario, joe watts, jackie nose damico, and quite a few others i believe.

Gotti was poison everything he touched turned to shit.

One of the worst bosses of all time in my opinion.

How about Vic & Gas who slaughtered dozens of their own guys and forced other loyal high ranking members to flip? The same with Nicky Scarfo killing dozens of his guys. What about Carmine Persico who turned the Colombos into a joke? Gotti was bad, but not as bad as the others.

They are all tools bro.

Gotti wasn't that bad just a public profile

Mulberry , I couldn't agree more with your comment . Scarfo , amuso and casso ruled with total fear and intimidation , they killed people for the slightest infraction , the guys were frightened to death and it caused paranoia so they ran to the Feds with open arms ( al d'arco ) when scarfo killed salvy testa it was all over for him , casso and amuso should have been whacked when they killed tony ducks chosen successor buddy luongo , it would have saved them a whole lot of trouble . As for the colombos they are more like a blood family than a mob family , everyone is related directly or indirectly to persico . How can he be in touch with what's going on , on the street , he has been locked up for 24 years , but nobody can wrestle control from him , look what happened when Vic orena tried . Even now tge administration is partly made up of persico relatives . His brother teddy was released last week so he prob has a place on it , Andy Russo is his acting boss and cousin and Thomas farese his consigliere is related also . In my opinion , bill cutolo would have made a great boss , he was greatly feared and respected , he also was a massive earner for the family . Hence why the persicos made him underboss so they could get him close enough to kill him , until carmine steps down or is forced to the colombos will always be unstable . Yeah gotti made mistakes wen he moved his operations to the ravenite and making his captains meet there every Tuesday for all the world to see , but he did no more damage to the mob than amuso , casso , scarfo , persico , massino, vitale . The list could go on and on

In a 2012 article, Louis DeVito was said to be a captain. He was originally from Vallario's crew so he may have taken it over.

Didn't a lot of Vallario's crew like joey D'angelo and ?Fappiano flip?? Big lou was involved in a hit in Gravano's bar Tali's and the shooter was Charles Carniglia, but I don't remember the name of the victim

I think it was Mike DeBatt that was killed inside Tali's.Gravano set it up to look like a robbery if I remember that right.Debatt's sister was The Bull's secretary.I may be wrong but pretty sure

Debatt was killed inside tali's by Thomas huck carbonaro , debatt had become a liability due to his crack cocaine addiction

Acting or official.

And can you kindly post a link to referenced article
Cheers

Devito would have been acting while Lou was in jail I;d imagine.

Sonny i think Ivy may be referring to a 2012 article in the NY Daily News.

"The mobbed-up guests are reputed capos John Gambino, Joseph Marino, John Rizzo, Louis Devito and Pasquale Marsala and soldiers Joseph Costa, Joseph Gambino and Pietro (Pete) Inzerillo, according to court papers and law enforcement sources".

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1198454

Ivy or HK, when was devito made? Was it after gravano flipped?

My thanks Giancarlo.

I will have to do some digging but I am sure I read that Big Lou acted as bartender and lulled DeBatt into a sense of security while Carniglia who had been sitting in a chair behind DeBatt creeped up behind him and shot him in the head. It may have been in Gravano's book "Underboss". I'll report back as soon as I go through a ton of mob books

OK I stand corrected. I paged through Gravano's book "Underboss" and sure enough it said "Huck" Carbonaro did the shooting of DeBatt and that "Big Lou"Vallario was there. This is what happens when you get old.