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Posted By: Giancarlo

Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/06/13 04:35 PM

Just a suggestion...but we should probably keep all the news on the retrial in one thread instead of a new thread everytime theres another article on it.


Opening statements today.

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Wednesday, November 6, 2013

Retrial Rehash For Ligambi, Borgesi

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

It could be a packed house for what basically amounts to a rerun.

Friends and family members of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew, mobster George Borgesi, are expected to fill the small, 15th floor courtroom today for opening statements in the racketeering conspiracy trial of the two South Philadelphia wiseguys..

Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, are facing a racketeering conspiracy charge, a leftover from a broader racketeering case that ended in February with both defendants acquitted of most of the charges they faced. Borgesi beat 13 of the 14 counts and Ligambi was acquitted of five of nine.

The turnout in U.S. District Court at 6th and Market is expected to be a public showing of support for the two gangsters who have been held without bail since an indictment was handed down in May 2011. It also comes on the heels of a blistering attack by Borgesi's family in the Philadelphia Daily News last week in which they charged that George Borgesi was the victim of a government vendetta.

The article, by William Bender, generated a mixed social media response with readers anonymously blasting the government or painting Borgesi and his family as simpering crybabies. It's unclear what the family hoped to accomplish by going public with criticism of the FBI and federal prosecutors and with an indirect slap at Judge Eduardo Robreno who, they alledged, has been described by the FBI as "our judge."

How any of that plays to the anonymously chosen jury that will decide the fate of Borgesi and Ligambi is a question that can't be answered. Whether any of those jurors even read the article is part of that question. What they thought about if they had is the other factor.

One reader who clearly wasn't happy with the Borgesi family rant was Joey Merlino. The erstwhile Philadelphia mob boss who was tried and convicted with Borgesi and five others back in 2001, is now living in Boca Raton, finishing his final year of federal supervised release (formerly known as parole) and continuing to vow that he will not be returning to South Philadelphia.

In the Daily News article published last Friday, Borgesi's brother Anthony decried the fact that his brother has been denied bail in the pending case and pointed out that he has finished his 14-year sentence for the 2001 conviction (like Merlino).

"Joey got out years ago," Anthony Borgesi told the Daily News. (In fact, Merlino was released in 2011). "People come up to me in the city and they can't understand why my brother's not out. He couldn't even get bail."

Merlino said in a telephone interview this week that he read the article and was surprised by Anthony Borgesi's comments.

"What's he saying, that I should still be in jail? " he asked. "Do they want me back in jail?"

Merlino also said he thought Anthony Borgesi was off base in portraying his brother as a victim of discrimination. According to the Daily News piece, Anthony Borgesi argued that his brother's constitutional rights were being denied, that the government was "playing dirty." And he added that if his brother were Black, the country wouldn't stand for it.

"Where's our Al Sharpton?" Anthony Borgesi is quoted as saying.

That kind of talk, Merlino said, does not play well with jurors, especially jurors who are African-American.

For an historic perspective, Anthony Borgesi ought to research Joe Colombo and the Italian-American Anti-Defamation League Colombo founded back in the 1970s. Like Borgesi, Colombo launched a campaign against the federal government alleging that Italian-Americans were being targeted. He picketed the FBI Office in New York and held rallies that attracted large crowds. Frank Sinatra performed a benefit concert for the organization.

Colombo became the Al Sharpton of his day. But his fellow gangsters decided that kind of publicity was not good for business. Things ended badly for Colombo.

How it ends for Borgesi and Ligambi will depend on the jury and the evidence, two issues that get lost in the rhetoric. Clearly, and this has been written here before, the conspiracy law is stacked in the government's favor.

Borgesi was acquitted of gambling and loansharking charges in the first trial. But those charges, built largely around the testimony of discredited mob informant Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello, can legally to used again to support the conspiracy charge.

In fact, this jury will hear much of the same testimony that the first jury rejected.

Fair? It doesn't seem so, but that's the law.

Ligambi faces the same hardship but the mob boss has opted to keep his feelings to himself.

How the rantings of his nephew Anthony and his sister Manny (Borgesi's mother, who was also quoted in the Daily News piece) have played with Ligambi is another fascinating question. There are those in both law enforcement and underworld circles who believe the mob boss might have been granted bail were it not for his co-defendant who among other things called Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han, one of the prosecutors in the case, "a fuckin' punk" during one court session earlier this year.

While the defense will present a united front at trial, Ligambi's relationship with his nephew has been strained at times. Monacello testified about this in the last trial and is likely to revisit it again when he takes the stand in the current case.

Anthony Aponick, a jailhouse snitch and cooperator with ties to the Bonanno crime family in New York is scheduled to testify as well. Aponick was not called in the first case, in part because of his criminal history and questions about his credibility. He has also said Borgesi and his uncle didn't always get along.

Aponick was a cellmate of Borgesi's in a federal prison in West Virginia, planted there, the Borgesi family alleges, to lure George Borgesi into criminal acts. The family said that was just one example of the feds "vendetta" against George Borgesi. It failed, they contend, but it will not stop Aponick from taking the stand for the government and lying to the jury.

"They are the real criminals," Manny Borgesi was quoted in the Daily News article, commenting about witnesses like Monacello and Aponick.

That, of course, begs a few questions.

Monacello's involvement in the mob stems from a relationship with George Borgesi. It was Borgesi who tapped Monacello as an associate in the 1990s and later used him to handle his underworld affairs. If Monacello is a liar, a cheat, a bullshit artist, if "Fag Finger Lou" or "Rat Finger Lou" as George Borgesi now refers to his former associate, is a heartless punk out only to save himself, did he become those things only after he agreed to cooperate?

Or was that who he always was? If so, why did Borgesi have someone like that in his inner circle?

The same question could be asked about several other Borgesi's associates, including Aponick (who came to Philadelphia with an introduction from Borgesi in 2003 after he was released from prison); Robert Luisi, a Boston gangster who was close to Borgesi before turning informant (and then finding Jesus and being drummed out of the federal fold) and the elusive Roger Vella, a drug dealer and admitted murderer who Borgesi referred to as a "bed bug" even as he maintained a relationship with him on the streets in the 1990s.

Those are the kinds of questions that don't get asked during a trial or in a newspaper article where the Borgesi family gets to rant and rave. But those are the questions that those who have followed the soap opera like saga of the Philadelphia mob find intriguing.

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/retrial-rehash-for-ligambi-borgesi.html
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/06/13 04:49 PM

If anyone has access to a PACER account there is most likely audio from the trial on it, as there was the first trial.

Might take a couple days to go online though.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/06/13 04:53 PM

funny Merlino is quoted, he just cant keep quiet
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/06/13 07:20 PM

merlino seems a little irked and opening georgie boy stays away and anastasia seems to not like georgie boy nor his family at all
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/06/13 08:35 PM

Where did Anastasia even getting all this Merlino info?
Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/06/13 08:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
If anyone has access to a PACER account there is most likely audio from the trial on it, as there was the first trial.

Might take a couple days to go online though.


It's updated to 10/31. Anything beyond that you can only view the docket text
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/06/13 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
If anyone has access to a PACER account there is most likely audio from the trial on it, as there was the first trial.

Might take a couple days to go online though.


It's updated to 10/31. Anything beyond that you can only view the docket text

Thanks Nicky. Lets us know if anything decent shows up on PACER.
Posted By: moneyman

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/06/13 09:52 PM

Doubt any players in Philly want anything to do with George at this point, I wonder how Anthony acting like an idiot to a newspaper is going to reflect his stature on the street.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/07/13 12:32 AM

Let's say Ligambi and Georgie get off: anyone think they'll shelve him?!
Posted By: littlemango

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/07/13 01:31 AM

What is a PACER account?

the idea of being able to read trial tanscripts is something i've always wanted to do, what is this pacer thing that, if I read you guys right, allows me to do that?
Posted By: paprincess

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/07/13 02:16 AM

George Borgesi looks like a fruitloop... wonder if he had/has a boyfriend in prison?
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/07/13 09:14 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Let's say Ligambi and Georgie get off: anyone think they'll shelve him?!

No and no. Whose going to tell a half-crazy man like Boregsi he's being shelved? Borgesi would come out of jail and do whatever he wanted. Despite being in prison for 14 years, he still has influence on the street. Liambi on the otherhand, is/was the boss for 14 years. He has guys loyal to him. Although at his age, being shelved would be like retirement.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/07/13 11:34 AM

Either way if Borgesi gets aquitted he will have his say and if he's found guilty,lookout he will definetley have his say.I can't see him leaving that courtroom silent.Anytime a mob guy[especially one that brags about being involved in like 9 hits is not getting any sympathy from anyone,even his own.Some of these accusations against the government,I don't know.the one that gets me if I read it right the guards or personal at these prisons bought Philly cheesesteaks and soft pretzels and actually brought them in so George could smell them.What is that?that's something kids do and then go nah,nah,nah you can't have none.Is that part of your civil rights that you can't be taunted with cheesesteaks? LOL
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/07/13 03:57 PM

Borgesi has had the past decade to think about schemes to make money illegally and he seems pretty disgruntled and open about that, not sure he will be back in the can if he gets off in this case which he should and he should be free on bail because he did complete his sentence but georgie boy just seems like an unhinged fella right now that is not going to let this go, again that being said the guy has a valid argument of what has happened to him the past 2 years
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/07/13 10:58 PM

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/by-george-anastasia-for-bigtrial.html

Thursday, November 7, 2013

Pete The Crumb Talks Murder And Mob History

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

He was described by the defense as an 84-year-old Mafia hitman with a faulty memory, a mobster who had murdered so often "he couldn't remember how many people he had killed."

But when he took the stand this afternoon in the racketeering conspiracy trial of crime boss Joe Ligambi and wiseguy George Borgesi, Peter "Pete the Crumb" Caprio rattled off the how, when and why of a series of hits that are part of his organized crime resume.

Thin, balding and hard of hearing, Caprio was the leadoff witness for the prosecution in the retrial of the two Philadelphia mob leaders. Dressed in a blue V-neck sweater over a shirt and tie, Caprio spent 90 minutes on the stand at the end of the trial day. He is due back when the trial resumes next Tuesday.

"Shoot him again to make sure he's dead," Caprio said matter-of-factly as he recounted the instructions he gave to an associate during the 1975 slaying of a mob associate known as Butchie whose remains were dropped in a shallow grave in the basement of a Newark social club and then covered with cement.
Caprio said he was a member of the North Jersey branch of the Philadelphia crime family and identified both Ligambi and Borgesi as leaders of the organization. He said he was elevated to the rank of capo or captain after orchestrating the 1996 murder of Joe Sodano, a long-time capo who had failed to fall in line under the leadership of Ralph Natale and Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino in the mid 1990s.

Caprio's trip down memory lane was a reprise of testimony he had given on at least two other occasions in federal courtrooms in Philadelphia. He testified at a racketeering trial in 2001 in which both Merlino and Borgesi were convicted.

And he was a witness last year in the racketeering trial of Ligambi, Borgesi and five others. A split verdict and a hung jury on conspiracy charges against Ligambi and Borgesi led to the retrial that opened this morning. Ligambi also faces gambling and obstruction of justice counts.

Many of those in the courtroom, including prosecutors, FBI agents, members of the media and the defendants and their friends and family members had heard Caprio's stories before. But for the twelve jurors and six alternates the testimony was new and, the prosecution hoped, would provide the foundation for the rest of its case.

"This case is about how the mob makes money," Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor told the jury in his opening statement at the start of the trial day.

Labor spent a little over an hour laying out the allegations against Ligambi and Borgesi and offering the jury what amounted to a legal primer on the nature of a conspiracy charge. The simple fact that Ligambi and Borgesi agreed that a crime should be committed by someone else was enough to support a guilty verdict, he argued.

Both defendants, as leaders of the Philadelphia branch of Cosa Nostra, benefitted from the gambling, loansharking and extortion carried out by others, he said. And the government's case, based on secretly recorded conversations and the testimony of cooperating witnesses -- including two undercover FBI agents and several admitted mobsters like Caprio -- would support those charges.

Defense attorneys offered a decidedly different take on the same set of circumstances.

Edwin Jacobs Jr., the lawyer for Ligambi, said the government's allegations were built around implausible theories and unsubstantiated testimony from less than credible witnesses.

Jacobs used a quote from Abraham Lincoln in a legal argument offered in a case 150 years ago.

"My adversary's case is as thin as the broth made from a starving chicken," he said.

He described the government's witnesses as liars and thugs who had cut deals to get out from under criminal charges they faced. Ticking off a list of witnesses who are scheduled to take the stand during the six week trial, Jacobs described one as a hitman who committed so many murders "he can't even remember how many people he killed." Another, he said, was a violent thug and a "convicted perjurer."And a third was a serial bank robber who cut a cooperating agreement with the government, was freed from prison and then went out and robbed some more banks.

Those witnesses, in order, were Caprio, Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and Anthony Aponick.

Christopher Warren, Borgesi's lawyer, spent most of his opening blistering Monacello and Apronick, the two key witnesses in the case against Borgesi.

Like Caprio, Monacello testified at the trial last year. Aponick, a cellmate of Borgesi's in a federal prison in West Virginia between 2001 and 2003, will be making his debut in the current case.

Warren said Aponick, an associate of the Bonanno crime family in New York, viewed Borgesi as his "get out of jail free card" and fabricated information to work a deal with the FBI. And even after he committed the second set of bank robberies and violated the terms of his cooperating agreement, the government took him back as a witness because they were desperate to make a case against Borgesi.

"They took somebody they had kicked out of their bed and put him back under the covers," Warren argued, "because they didn't have anything better."

Monacello, a South Philadelphia mob associate, used Borgesi's name and reputation to advance his own gambling and loansharking operations, which Warren argued, Borgesi knew nothing about.
He called Monacello "an egomaniacal blowhard" and a "petty bully" who enjoyed beating up and assaulting others.

Both witnesses are "frauds," Warren said. Aponick, he told the jury, "will try to sell you a bill of goods. Don't buy it."
Posted By: JoeyTinEar

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 03:32 AM

Rats. Dirty dirty rats.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 03:39 AM

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131108_Will_the_second_trial_be_the_charm_for_Joe_Ligambi_.html

Ligambi-Borgesi trial's second chapter begins

By Jeremy Roebuck, Inquirer Staff Writer
Nov 07 2013

It might be considered the low-budget sequel. But reputed Philadelphia mob boss Joseph Ligambi and the federal authorities who have pursued him for 13 years both hope this time brings blockbuster results.

Ligambi, known as "Uncle Joe," returned to court Thursday for his second trial in as many years on racketeering conspiracy charges. His nephew and alleged consigliere, George "Georgie Boy" Borgesi, sat by his side.

Eight months ago, a federal jury deadlocked on the most serious counts against them after a marathon, four-month trial involving 12 other mob defendants.

But as a new panel of 10 women and two men took up the case again, prosecutor Frank Labor cut straight to the chase.

"Joe Ligambi . . . our boss," he said in his opening statement. "That was how he was introduced to a meeting of mob leaders in New Jersey in 2010."

Though these jurors have not been told of the results of the last trial, the evidence Labor outlined for them Thursday sounded much the same: More than 11,000 recorded conversations. Results of 40 search warrants. And an expected cavalcade of mob associates turned government witnesses.

All will add up, he said, to prove that Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, oversaw the Philadelphia chapter of La Cosa Nostra, a violent group with profitable revenue streams from illegal gambling, loan-sharking, and bookmaking.

But for Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., the same equation yielded different results.

"This case is a misuse of 13 years of investigation and came up with nothing," he countered in his opening statement. "They cobbled together some sort of case to justify all the money and resources they spent."

The last jury mostly agreed, acquitting Ligambi in February of five counts of loan-sharking, theft ,and bookmaking and leaving only four, including the racketeering conspiracy count, unresolved. Borgesi was cleared of 13 of the 14 charges against him.

Thursday, though, Labor and Jacobs circled each other like two often-matched prizefighters - each anticipating the other's blows and defending against weak spots exposed in their previous bout.

Hoping to fend off confusion that seemed to trip up the jury last time, Labor cautioned the new panel that in order to prove a racketeering conspiracy he needed to show only that Ligambi and Borgesi were aware of and profited from the Philadelphia mob's crimes, not that they committed them themselves.

"The CEO doesn't go down to the assembly line and tighten bolts," Labor said, comparing the mob to Ford Motor Co.

Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., countered: "The CEO of Ford is not going to go to jail if some of his line workers are involved in an illegal gambling operation."

Already well aware of the expected testimony of government witnesses, Jacobs described the bunch as "the most unsavory, unreliable arch-criminals who have ever been assembled in one courtroom" and later as "walking, talking embodiments of reasonable doubt."

Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, joined in the attack but saved the brunt of his ire for the only new government witness expected during the retrial - Anthony Aponick, a former associate of New York's Bonanno crime family.

Aponick shared a cell with Borgesi at a federal prison in West Virginia and later told the FBI his cellmate had tried to recruit him for the Philadelphia mob.

But even after Philadelphia's chief federal prosecutor traveled to New York to personally urge a judge to release him for his cooperation, Aponick robbed another bank and found himself back behind bars.

Deeming him too risky to put on the stand, prosecutors left him off their witness list during Borgesi's first trial.

Now, they plan to call him - a move Warren compared to "taking someone they had kicked out of their bed and putting them back under the covers."

For their part, Ligambi, dressed in a red turtleneck and sweatpants, and a cardigan-clad Borgesi sat quietly as the lawyers sparred Thursday.

Their family, however, was fuming.

Borgesi's brother Anthony has described the ongoing case against his brother and Uncle Joe as a "witch-hunt," in a series of recent expletive-laden interviews.

And throughout Thursday's proceedings, he and other family members made little effort to hold back their whispered, sarcastic asides.

"It's ridiculous," he said after court let out for the day. "Other than that, I have nothing left to say."

Testimony in the case is expected to resume Tuesday
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 03:56 PM

You know its something how the mob's lawyers have made a mockery of this and the last trial basically saying it was a 13 yr. waste of time and money by the federal government.Try telling that to the families of D.Canalichio,Mousie,Anthony Staino,and even the ones that pleaded out like Lucibello and Angelina.Plus there's still a chance they can get Ligambi and Borgesi.If anything they have managed to get some time back from Ligambi and have managed to piss Borgesi and his family off.So if all of this amounts to a victory for the defendants what is their definition of a loss.If I was expecting a slap on the wrist and the next day the judge sentenced me to 14 yrs.or 11 yrs.I don't think I would turn to my lawyer and start doing a victory dance.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 04:01 PM

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131108_Opening_arguments_heard_in_Philly_mob_trial_Part_II.html

Opening arguments heard in Philly mob trial Part II


WILLIAM BENDER, Daily News Staff Writer
November 8, 2013


IF YESTERDAY'S premiere was any indication, the retrial of reputed Philadelphia mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi will fall into the same category as "The Godfather: Part III."

Not as good as the last one.

The government is taking another crack at Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, after a 16-week federal racketeering trial ended in February with a bizarre mixed verdict - not guilty on most charges but deadlocked on others. Three other mobsters were convicted. One was acquitted.

For the next six to eight weeks, prosecutors will likely concentrate on the indictment's main charge of racketeering conspiracy, which could send jurors down a legal rabbit hole.

That's because the feds don't have to prove that Ligambi or Borgesi personally killed anybody or busted any kneecaps, only that they conspired with other people to commit crimes that the government may or may not be able to prove.

"It's the agreement which is the crime," Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor said in his opening argument.

The indictment, the result of a massive 13-year investigation, does not include any homicides, focusing instead on sports betting, loan-sharking, extortion and the operation of video-poker machines. But a racketeering-conspiracy conviction could land Ligambi and Borgesi in prison for a decade or longer.

"This is about how the mob makes money," Labor said, "and they make money through fear and intimidation."

Edwin Jacobs Jr., Ligambi's bombastic lawyer from Atlantic City, told the jury that 55 full-time law-enforcement officials came up empty after conducting 40 searches and recording more than 11,000 conversations with tapped phone lines, body wires and bugged rooms.

Paraphrasing Abraham Lincoln, Jacobs called the indictment "thin as the broth made from the shadow of a starving chicken." He said the government has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to career criminals - including a murderer, a bank robber and a perjurer - to testify against Ligambi and Borgesi.

"You're going to hear from the most dishonest, unsavory, unreliable group of arch-criminals that have ever been assembled," Jacobs said.

Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, said his client, a reputed mob capo, has been in prison since 2000 and under constant surveillance, so he could not have conspired to commit crimes in the Philadelphia area.

"They came up with nothing," Warren said, adding, "They have read his letters, listened to his phone calls. They even went so far as to bug the visitation room."

Ligambi, who the feds say took over as acting boss of the mob after Joseph Merlino was jailed in 1999, has been held without bail since his arrest in May 2011.

Somehow, though, he seemed in good spirits yesterday, arriving in court in a maroon long-sleeved polo shirt and telling a relative that he's doing "terrific." He later joked that he'd like to take a trip to Bermuda.

"And never come back," he laughed.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
You know its something how the mob's lawyers have made a mockery of this and the last trial basically saying it was a 13 yr. waste of time and money by the federal government.Try telling that to the families of D.Canalichio,Mousie,Anthony Staino,and even the ones that pleaded out like Lucibello and Angelina.Plus there's still a chance they can get Ligambi and Borgesi.If anything they have managed to get some time back from Ligambi and have managed to piss Borgesi and his family off.So if all of this amounts to a victory for the defendants what is their definition of a loss.If I was expecting a slap on the wrist and the next day the judge sentenced me to 14 yrs.or 11 yrs.I don't think I would turn to my lawyer and start doing a victory dance.


The definition of a loss to the defendants would probably be dying in jail. Just my thoughts though I dunno? For what it's worth everyone ( Lou sheep, Marty, Staino, Lou fazinni, licata especially, lucibello, etc) got of pretty light except for joe mouse and dame who already had very substantial jackets. Remember the sentences these gents received are much lighter then the average idiot down for a petty robbery or a mid level coke dealer making comparable money. The only person IMO who got smoked would be Ranieri (not sure spelling), but I am really not familiar with his background. As far as pissing Borgesi and his family off he just beat several charges where there was a cooperating witness who testified he directed criminal activity from his jail cell that the witness personally carried out on his behalf. I mean what more would you want? Bail? Ok I'll give you that, they didn't get bail
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 05:20 PM

Hope that didn't come across as harsh or rude also 22, I am not flaming you and I mean no disrespect I just have to disagree with this not being a win for most of the defendants. Ligambis defense attorney def jumped the gun with the positive comments the first time around, but overall I do think this is a win for most of them.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 05:37 PM

No court until tuesday. Something wrong with fridays and mondays?

I guess the judge believes in 3 day work weeks. Good gig if you can get it.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 06:19 PM

Oh hell no Vegas Mikey no offense taken your answer was actually fine.I was just sort of getting on the attorney's the way they described it as ''racketeering lite.''I mean Mousie and Dame were making jokes about walking so they must have been a little shocked.I think Staino knew he was cooked directly from that tape and luckily he had no priors.Lucibello and Angelina will actually be out soon so they did ok and Ranieri like you said I'm not that familiar with,but somebody else also got like 8 yrs.[Gary Battaglini].Its all good.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 06:20 PM

Giancarlo don't know about Friday's but Mon. is a holiday,everything closed.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 06:42 PM

22 I agree the attorneys were and are getting carried away. How about Jacobs though with the solid Abraham Lincoln quote? lol, that guy seems like he is worth whatever insane rate he charges, although I think the tax payers are footing the bill for uncle Joe this time.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 07:14 PM

Yeah I agree about Jacobs as soon as you hear him you think its a victory for the mob guys,he has a way with words but is probably worth it.
Posted By: littlemango

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
No court until tuesday. Something wrong with fridays and mondays?

I guess the judge believes in 3 day work weeks. Good gig if you can get it.


veteran's day weekend, i imagine
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/08/13 07:51 PM

Forgot all about veterans day....federal holiday. Thanks.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/09/13 02:55 PM

Retrial of Uncle Joe and Georgie Boy likened to The Godfather Part 3
IF YESTERDAY'S premiere was any indication, the retrial of reputed Philadelphia mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi will fall into the same category as "The Godfather: Part III."

Not as good as the last one.

The government is taking another crack at Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, after a 16-week federal racketeering trial ended in February with a bizarre mixed verdict - not guilty on most charges but deadlocked on others. Three other mobsters were convicted. One was acquitted.

For the next six to eight weeks, prosecutors will likely concentrate on the indictment's main charge of racketeering conspiracy, which could send jurors down a legal rabbit hole.

That's because the feds don't have to prove that Ligambi or Borgesi personally killed anybody or busted any kneecaps, only that they conspired with other people to commit crimes that the government may or may not be able to prove.

"It's the agreement which is the crime," Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor said in his opening argument.

The indictment, the result of a massive 13-year investigation, does not include any homicides, focusing instead on sports betting, loan-sharking, extortion and the operation of video-poker machines. But a racketeering-conspiracy conviction could land Ligambi and Borgesi in prison for a decade or longer.

"This is about how the mob makes money," Labor said, "and they make money through fear and intimidation."

Edwin Jacobs Jr., Ligambi's bombastic lawyer from Atlantic City, told the jury that 55 full-time law-enforcement officials came up empty after conducting 40 searches and recording more than 11,000 conversations with tapped phone lines, body wires and bugged rooms.

Paraphrasing Abraham Lincoln, Jacobs called the indictment "thin as the broth made from the shadow of a starving chicken." He said the government has paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to career criminals - including a murderer, a bank robber and a perjurer - to testify against Ligambi and Borgesi.

"You're going to hear from the most dishonest, unsavory, unreliable group of arch-criminals that have ever been assembled," Jacobs said.

Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, said his client, a reputed mob capo, has been in prison since 2000 and under constant surveillance, so he could not have conspired to commit crimes in the Philadelphia area.

"They came up with nothing," Warren said, adding, "They have read his letters, listened to his phone calls. They even went so far as to bug the visitation room."

Ligambi, who the feds say took over as acting boss of the mob after Joseph Merlino was jailed in 1999, has been held without bail since his arrest in May 2011.

Somehow, though, he seemed in good spirits yesterday, arriving in court in a maroon long-sleeved polo shirt and telling a relative that he's doing "terrific." He later joked that he'd like to take a trip to Bermuda.

"And never come back," he laughed.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131108_Opening_arguments_heard_in_Philly_mob_trial_Part_II.html
Posted By: Junior111

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/09/13 03:07 PM

Narducci had benz's before they had brace's. Philip will take over as boss Joe and George are going to jail. George can thank his family for calling on the media. Anthony Borgesi made a fool out of himself.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/09/13 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Junior111
Anthony Borgesi made a fool out of himself.

Pic of Anthony from another article today on philly.com.

If George is found guilty this time around it should be interesting to see how he and his family react in the courtroom. mad

Might need some extra cops that day...just in case.



Is that Anthony's wife walking right behind him?
Posted By: Southphilly4ever

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/09/13 05:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: Junior111
Anthony Borgesi made a fool out of himself.

Pic of Anthony from another article today on philly.com.

If George is found guilty this time around it should be interesting to see how he and his family react in the courtroom. mad

Might need some extra cops that day...just in case.



Is that Anthony's wife walking right behind him?


Anthony's wife is much older and I also don't know if they are together anymore since he has not been seen around with her for awhile now. I seen this girl around Anthony and his friends at the Columbus Day festival a few weeks ago, if it is his girlfriend she looks much younger than him, salute!
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/09/13 05:58 PM

What exactly does Anthony Borgesi do,he seems like a professional door-opener.He's never on trial but always has a lot to say.I know family is family but George was bashing him not that long a go saying he just lifts weights and chases around young women.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/10/13 06:04 PM

He yea Anthony borgesi looks like he needs a xanax or something to calm them nerves. Look at his fist clenching. Lol talk about high blood pressure!
Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/10/13 11:02 PM

The opening statements, etc has posted on pacer/bloomberg.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/12/13 02:52 PM

They should be back at it today
Posted By: spmob

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/12/13 04:59 PM

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/the-saga-of-nicky-skins-continues.html

The Saga Of Nicky Skins Continues
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


Pete the Crumb Caprio is expected to finish his testimony today in the retrial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi.

As he has in early court appearances, the 84-year-old mobster-turned-informant offered a history lesson on the Philadelphia mob, particularly its North Jersey operations. He was a soldier and later a capo in Newark. Among other things, he acknowledged that, in league with members of the Genovese crime family, he plotted to kill Ligambi, Borgesi and another Philadelphia mob leader in the late 1990s.

The plan was to lure them to a meeting, shoot them and then bury their bodies in a landfill. Caprio was going to become the new boss. Before that could happen, he got jammed up in his own murder and racketeering case and eventually cut a deal with the feds.

Prosecutors hope that his testimony lays the groundwork for the conspiracy charge against Ligambi and Borgesi.

The jury is expected to hear from another North Jersey mob figure shortly, although he won't be on the witness stand. Just as they did in the first trial that ended in February, prosecutors plan to play a tape made by Nicholas "Nicky Skins" Stefanelli, the Gambino crime family soldier who wore a wire for the FBI for two years. Stefanelli, 69, committed suicide in March 2012, but tapes that he made for the feds live on.
The jury will hear an hour-long composite of a five-hour lunch meeting Stefanelli taped in May 2010 at LaGriglia, a posh restaurant just off the Garden State Parkway in Kenilworth, NJ. Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor has called the session as a meeting of the "board of directors" of organized crime.

Ten mobsters, including Ligambi, Anthony Staino and Joe Licata from the Philadelphia crime family and the brothers Joe and John Gambino from New York's Gambino organization broke bread and drank wine that day.

Stefanelli was a made member of the Gambino organization and, with Licata, helped set up the meeting. The defense, as it did in the first trial, argued in opening statements that the lunch was merely a get-together for aging friends (most of those at the meeting were in their 60s and 70s) who talked about the old days.

But on the tape, Licata can be heard introducing Ligambi to the Gambino crime family members as "our acting boss." At another point, Licata and the others discuss a dispute with the Luchese crime family over territorial rights and poaching in New Jersey. The Lucheses, authorities allege, were horning in on Philadelphia's territory and Ligambi and Licata were trying to get the Gambino organization to support them in the dispute.

Talk also focused on a "making ceremony" -- a mob initiation rite -- that Ligambi presided over. Again, authorities hope that will solidify in the jury's mind Ligambi's role as the boss of the local crime family.

Whether it supports the conspiracy charge he faces, however, is another question.

The jury in the trial that ended in February couldn't decide. While it acquitted Ligambi of five charges tied to gambling and extortion, it hung on the conspiracy charge (along with two other gambling charges and an obstruction of justice count), leading to the retrial.

That same jury, however, found Licata not guilty of conspiracy when the only substantial evidence against him as the LaGriglia tape. (Licata's lawyer in that case, Christopher Warren, is now representing Borgesi who also faces a conspiracy charge. But Borgesi was in prison in May 2010 and had nothing to do with the LaGriglia meeting.)

The LaGriglia tape was the first Stefanelli tape played publicly. A second meeting at the American Bistro in Belleville attended by Stefanelli, Licata and mobster Louis "Big Lou" Fazzini, was also used in the first trial.

There are dozens of other tapes that have yet to surface, part of ongoing investigations that may or may not lead to indictments in New York and North Jersey. Stefanelli moved up and down the East Coast for the Gambino crime family. He met with Joey Merlino in Florida and he taped meetings with Anthony DiNunzio, a Rhode Island mob boss.

Merlino, the relocated Philadelphia mob leader, said he was leery of the smooth-talking wiseguy, avoided any discussion about organized crime and dismissed Stefanelli's business propositions.

"He was trying to set me up," said Merlino in an interview in May after learning that Stefanelli had been wearing a wire when they met.

DiNunzio, the New England mob leader, wasn't as cautious. He pleaded guilty to a racketeering charge last year built in part around tape recordings made by Stefanelli.

Those tapes are Nicky Skins's legacy. The fact that there have not been any other indictments raises questions in some circles about how good the rest of the Stefanelli tapes really are. And it also has led to speculation about the relationship between the FBI and the wiseguy.

Who was playing whom?

"My opinion, Skins did as much to sanitize his recordings as possible," said Steven Lenehan, a former North Jersey mobster who has been there.

Lenehan was the FBI's guy on the streets in the early 1990s, a mob associate-turned-informant who wore a wire as he interacted with dozens of gangsters, including Stefanelli. In fact, Lenehan recorded a heroin deal with Stefanelli in 1994 that led to Nicky Skins' arrest and first federal prison sentence.

Everyone is different, Lenehan said in a series of phone conversations and emails over the past six months, but there are ways to "protect" your friends even when you're wearing a wire. Lenehan's work as an informant resulted in about 30 arrests. He said he could have helped make even more cases.

He's not expecting anyone still out on the streets to thank him, but as he looks from afar at the Stefanelli case he wonders."I think Skins might have protected a lot of guys," he said, offering an explanation of why there have not been any more indictments.

That Skins was a player in the underworld for decades is not in dispute. That he corporated was, according to several individuals who knew him, out of character.

"He was raised in organized crime," said Bob Carroll, a former prosecutor with the New Jersey Attorney General's Division of Criminal Justice. "He moved freely among the (crime) families."

Low-key, intelligent but also a suspected killer, Stefanelli came from the old school, Carroll said. The former prosecutor said he was "surprised" to learn Nicky Skins had become a cooperator.

"His temperament wasn't conducive to that kind of behavior," said Carroll who described Stefanelli as a guy who would do his time rather than turn government informant. "He was a longtime player, a career guy."

Stefanelli began cooperating in 2009 after he was again facing drug trafficking charges. Why he killed himself is open to speculation.The conventional wisdom is that as the investigations he was involved with were winding down and as the prospect of taking the witness stand publicly against his former associates grew nearer, Stefanelli decided he couldn't do it.

Instead, he went out with a bang.

Authorities say two days before committing suicide, Stefanelli walked into a video poker machine distribution office in Bloomfield, NJ, and shot and killed Joseph Rossi, the owner of the business. Sources say Rossi was the FBI informant who got Stefanelli and Stefanelli's son jammed up in a drug case in 2009.

In order to get out from under that charge -- and keep his son from being arrested -- Stefanelli cut a deal with the government and agreed to wear a wire, according to that theory. Once Stefanelli decided that he couldn't testify, he chose to end it all. First, in an act of revenge, he shot and killed Rossi. Then he checked into a hotel near the Meadowlands in North Jersey. Two days later his body was found in a hotel room. Cause of death was a drug overdose.

That's the theory of what happened, but no one in authority has provided specific details.

Anthony Rossi, who is the executor of his brother's will, says his family has been less than satisfied with what they've been told so far. And what they've been told, he adds, is very little.

The family has retained an attorney who is trying to get to the bottom of the FBI's relationship with both Stefanelli and Joe Rossi. The questions the family has, said Anthony Rossi, have to do with whether the feds were providing the kind of protection his brother deserved if he was cooperating.

The irony that his brother was killed by another FBI cooperator only adds to the uncertainty surrounding the case.

"We'd like some answers," Anthony Rossi said recently, adding that the family was prepared to file a civil suit against the federal government. "We've just heard so many stories and right now all we have are questions."

Anthony Rossi said he knew Stefanelli from the neighborhood. They were all from the Newark-Belleville-Bloomfield area. The "type of guy he was," doesn't fit with the stories that are being told, he added.

Lenehan also has his doubts. His take is that Stefanelli went to Rossi to shake him down, to grab some ready cash before he was taken off the streets and whisked into federal custody. Lenehan, who has been down that road, knows how the game is played.

"My opinion of Skins is that he was a tough guy, a gentleman and always reasonable," said Lenehan. "I'm sure if I hadn't been with Team America, he and I would have remained good friends. His defection shocked me.

"As to his suicide, I think he realized he blew his deal with the feds after the video poker guy was clipped. Skins was capable. It was a shakedown gone bad. Forget the nonsense he was paying the guy back for ratting on his kid. He was probably ready to be relocated and he knew (after Rossi was killed) instead of Iowa or Kansas, he was headed to prison forever. That's why he offed himself."

The jury in the Ligambi case, of course, won't get all the details and the speculation. They will hear that Stefanelli was a cooperator, that he made a tape of a meeting at LaGriglia and that he later killed himself.

Lenehan says it's more complicated than that. It always is. He makes no excuse for himself, for Stefanelli or for anyone else who has become a cooperator. He said he toyed with the idea of suicide at one point and still wrestles with his own decision to become an informant.

"The world is so enamored with this (mob) life," he said. (But) it's a business of greed and murder....My advice, if you're in the life, get out before you get pinched...You are not going to beat the federal government....You have more rats on the street than in the (witness protection) program. I took a shortcut at everyone's expense. Not an easy look back in the rear view mirror. I think that Steve Lenehan was Steve Lenehan's worst enemy, not the guys on the street and not the feds...I might be the only guy like me who thinks he deserves to get clipped for what he did. White washing your decision to turn by blaming others -- I read Phil Leonetti's book -- is hypocritical. I'm a guy who told on his friends. That's my legacy.

"But I'm not hypocrite...I know what I did and I'm not trying to sugarcoat it."

Neither, apparently, was Stefanelli. He just chose a different way to deal with it.



Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/the-saga-of-nicky-skins-continues.html#PrK2Q9rWbRB4xX1Z.99
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/12/13 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: spmob
http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/the-saga-of-nicky-skins-continues.html

The Saga Of Nicky Skins Continues
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


In todays article on the Big Trial site they say the guy in the center is Nick Stefanelli but he
looks like Frank Gambino to me.



"Ralphie Head" Abbruzzi, George Borgesi, Frank Gambino, Joey Merlino, Joe Ligambi

Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/12/13 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
The opening statements, etc has posted on pacer/bloomberg.

Thanks Nicky. Any idea how much it would cost to get the daily transcripts and/or audio?

A guy on RD was getting them the first trial and posting them but he's no longer on RD and i don't know if he still gets them or not.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/12/13 10:13 PM

The Big Trial site corrected the photo they had labeled as being Nicky Skins and put up a pic of the real Stefanelli. Probably an intern mislabeled it.


Nicky Skins Stefanelli
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/12/13 10:41 PM

GA has some good sources over there at Big Trial and its some interesting reads
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/12/13 10:54 PM

I think GA runs the site and has say ... One of his previous threads on bigtrial seemed like he took a shot at the Philly reporter - Bender how he didn't ask the righ questions in the Borgesi interview. GA has a connection with Joey - mutual respect. don't fawk with George A.
Does anyone know it this Philly jury is sequestered ?
They both need to walk - nothing holding this case together for the govt
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/12/13 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Joselevens
I think GA runs the site and has say ... One of his previous threads on bigtrial seemed like he took a shot at the Philly reporter - Bender how he didn't ask the righ questions in the Borgesi interview. GA has a connection with Joey - mutual respect. don't fawk with George A.
Does anyone know it this Philly jury is sequestered ?
They both need to walk - nothing holding this case together for the govt


I agree with you seems georgie boy is an idiot with his rants but the guy did his time and should be out on bail especially the bs one count, this seems like the government is really stretching above its powers here for these guys who are not a threat to national security like the ones kept down in gitmo who are war criminals
Posted By: littlemango

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/12/13 11:48 PM

They have done that for decades. Trying to keep mobsters in jail by refusing bail or having it revoked or delayed for this or that. It's nothing new. I don't think it's right because it goes against the fabric of the american justice system (even if most of these guys deserve it) but it's not new.
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/13/13 12:33 AM

Originally Posted By: littlemango
They have done that for decades. Trying to keep mobsters in jail by refusing bail or having it revoked or delayed for this or that. It's nothing new. I don't think it's right because it goes against the fabric of the american justice system (even if most of these guys deserve it) but it's not new.


Ligambi I can maybe see it but georgie boy did his time and has one count of racketeering after beating the other 13, it just seems like a violation of due process
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/14/13 12:33 PM

Does anybody have any new information,what happened yesterday,is there even a trial going on.I mean nothing on any site,I mean I thought each day you would get info on what went on.Tired of looking at pictures of Anthony Borgesi opening doors.
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/14/13 02:04 PM

Yeah, they video poker guy was on all day, talking about Anthony Staino and Mousie and Gaton. They played alot of tapes with him and Staino talking about the pokers. And Joe Ligambi was on there too.
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/14/13 02:05 PM

I mean on the tapes, not on the stand. Ha ha
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/14/13 02:41 PM

I Haven't anything about the trial but I did receive some pretty good recent photo of a bunch of philly guys...
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/14/13 02:49 PM

heres one..


Description: Chang, Phil L, Mikey Lance, Stevie Mazzone, Wagner (IN THE BACK), and Dom Grande at the end
Attached picture chang,phil,lance,stevie,grande,wagner.jpg
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/14/13 03:11 PM

good job Handsome Stevie,Mikey Lance looks old,good how you told who each one was,so I guess there really isn't much to report yet
Posted By: paprincess

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/14/13 08:55 PM

Loll! How bout Nicky Skins... looking all pleasant and approachable in his mug shot... yeah it looks like that Anthony guy with the younger girlfriend grinds his teeth and clenches his jaw quite frequently...
Posted By: paprincess

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/14/13 08:56 PM

GGRRR hurry up! get it the car!!!
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 03:21 AM

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131115_No_fireworks_yet_in_Phila__mob_trial.html


No fireworks yet in Phila. mob trial


Jeremy Roebuck, Inquirer Staff Writer
November 14, 2013

Teased at the start with tales of mob shakedowns, swindles, and contract slayings, jurors in the racketeering retrial of reputed Philadelphia Mafia boss Joseph Ligambi instead have received a long lesson this week in the minutiae of the video gambling business.

Testifying over three days, Curt Arbitman, the operator of a South Philadelphia video poker machine company, detailed his work collecting money and fixing gaming machines for several convicted mob figures.

But while he may have been aiding an illegal operation, his day-to-day frustrations with broken bill acceptors, malfunctioning meters, and grousing South Philadelphia bar owners dominated discussion in 35 recorded phone calls played by prosecutors. Throughout all that talk, one name rarely crossed his lips: Ligambi's.

Under cross-examination Thursday from Ligambi's lawyer, Arbitman conceded that none of the mob figures he worked with - including Martin "Marty" Angelina and Anthony "Ant" Staino Jr., both of whom have pleaded guilty in racketeering conspiracy charges - ever mentioned Ligambi in reference to their illegal gambling operations.


Arbitman's mundane maintenance concerns offered a marked departure from the high-stakes story spun by Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor in his opening statement last week.
Ligambi, he said, along with his nephew and purported consigliere George Borgesi, oversaw a violent chapter of La Cosa Nostra that raked in hundreds of thousands of dollars from illegal gambling, loan-sharking and bookmaking.

And the government's first witness, ex mob-hitman Peter "Pete the Crumb" Caprio, appeared poised to deliver on that promise, regaling jurors with tales of the Philadelphia Mafia's glory days and testifying that he had murdered so often he "couldn't remember how many people" he had killed.

"Without violence there wouldn't be La Cosa Nostra," he said. "We would lose all sorts of respect."

But his time on the stand was cut short after prosecutors reported Tuesday that the 84-year-old had fallen and broken a knee on the way back to the government safe house where he was being held. They hope to recall him when he recovers.

Throughout the trial, Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., has argued that Philadelphia's days as the violent Mafia hub described by Caprio are long gone.

His client had nothing to do with the crimes of Angelina, Staino, and others, he said. And the indictment facing Ligambi alleges none of the violence that marked previous cases against Philadelphia's mob figures.

Questioning Joseph Procaccini, owner of a rival South Philadelphia video poker business, Jacobs asked whether the man had ever been shaken down for payments by Ligambi or his associates.

"This street tax thing - this tribute thing - that is a thing of the past," Jacobs said.

But late Thursday, Procaccini struck the first blow to Jacobs' depiction of his client as a harmless old man known by the nickname "Uncle Joe."

He told jurors that Ligambi, Staino, and others approached him in 2001 seeking to buy out his company, M&P Vending, after an FBI raid nearly wiped out the mob's South Philadelphia video gambling business.

Procaccini refused, but offered to pay a monthly tribute to stay in operation.

Ligambi's response came in the form of a sales agreement, Procaccini said. And within days, the mob had effectively taken over 21 M&P machines, forcing Procaccini out of the video gambling business.

Procaccini called what the mob did to him a shakedown.

"There was nothing pleasant about it," Procaccini said.

His testimony is expected to resume Friday.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 12:02 PM

Here is another recent pic with Chang, Lance, Grande, and Wagner.. Im not sure which wagner this is, but i know there are two mob associate brothers named Edward and Ray Wagner.. Looks like little Grande is moving up in the world!


Description: Johnny Chang, Mike Lancelotti, Dominic Grande, Wagner
Attached picture chang,lance,grande,wagner.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 12:10 PM

THE #2 guy with his wife and the Acting boss and his wife.


Description: Johnny Chang & Stevie Mazzone with there ladies.
Attached picture chang&mazzone and wifes.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 12:13 PM

Also have a pic from back in September of Joey and Deb wink
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 12:15 PM

Skinny Joey and His wife


Description: Skinny Joey & his wifey
Attached picture joeym.jpg

Description: Skinny Joey & his wifey
Attached picture joeym.jpg

Description: Skinny Joey & his wifey
Attached picture joeym.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 12:18 PM

Mazzones wife is sexy as hell i must say when i first saw her i was like damnnnnn lol. merlinos wife also looks great... ill try to get more pics soon!
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 01:13 PM

Interesting,definetley beats seeing the same old pictures thet always show.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 01:21 PM

When they were saying there's no violence in these charges and 1 of the prosecutors shot back the threat of violence is always there so basically that eliminates the actual violence,he has a point.It does not sound like Procaccine willingly sold those machines.With the money they were making why would he.Its like Uncle Joe wanted them and there was no negotiating.There was no violence because the fear of violence eliminated that.Thats pretty clear cut and easy to see.
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 05:53 PM

He said same thing in first trial which the jurors hung on which led to the new trial, what is the makeup of teh jurors?
Posted By: paddy78

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 07:56 PM

im friends w the sons, they are legit make over 50/hr as union electricians, got it made
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 07:58 PM

Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 08:04 PM

Decent video...thanks for posting it Ivy.

Personally i hope these guys start blasting each other all over town. It's been way too quiet around here....kind of boring actually.

Interesting that he said Mazzone could end up the top guy and that Merlino was down south. Made it sound like they think he's not coming back. Which IMHO is the smart decision.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 08:35 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Mazzones wife is sexy as hell i must say when i first saw her i was like damnnnnn lol. merlinos wife also looks great... ill try to get more pics soon!


Word out here is Stevie's wife left him a while back
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 08:43 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Mazzones wife is sexy as hell i must say when i first saw her i was like damnnnnn lol. merlinos wife also looks great... ill try to get more pics soon!

Word out here is Stevie's wife left him a while back

Wasn't she a blonde? I remember her from one of those Mob Talk video's they did on Mazzone. I thought she looked pretty good myself.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 09:16 PM

I think only 1 son[Joe Jr.] is the electrician,the other one works in the insurance industry [Mark]and then Stephen by his 1st marriage is into film-making or something like that.
Posted By: spmob

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 09:33 PM

The local electrician's union is one of the bigger unions down here...johnny doc. I got some friends and family in there. I didn't realize his son was in the union. A lot of guys in there do stuff on the side. But a lot of them make legit money. I can't see the videos. I will have to check them out on Fox. Anything new??
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Mazzones wife is sexy as hell i must say when i first saw her i was like damnnnnn lol. merlinos wife also looks great... ill try to get more pics soon!

Word out here is Stevie's wife left him a while back

Wasn't she a blonde? I remember her from one of those Mob Talk video's they did on Mazzone. I thought she looked pretty good myself.


Yes she was a blonde. These broads do die their hair though so who knows
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/15/13 11:22 PM

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131116_Witness__slip_nearly_derails_Ligambi_mob_trial.html

Witness' slip nearly derails Ligambi mob trial

Jeremy Roebuck
Inquirer Staff Writer

November 15, 2013

An loose-lipped witness nearly derailed the racketeering retrial of Joseph Ligambi during testimony Friday by referencing the government's previous attempt to convict the reputed Philadelphia mob boss.

Defense lawyers called for a mistrial after Joseph Procaccini, the owner of a South Philadelphia video poker machine company, was asked under cross-examination whether he knew of a relationship between Ligambi and mob bookmaker Gary Battaglini.

"I know Gary was convicted in the first trial," Procaccini responded.

A federal jury found Battaglini and two other mob associates guilty of racketeering conspiracy in February but deadlocked on the same charge when it came to Ligambi and his nephew and purported consigliere, George Borgesi. Prior to the start of their retrial last week, U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno barred any mention of the previous proceedings before the new jurors.

But rather than let the slipup Friday force yet another trial, Robreno called the panel back after 15 minutes of legal wrangling and instructed members to disregard the reference.

Still, the incident offered jurors their first hints of the four-month, 14-defendant marathon that was Ligambi's first go-round in federal court.

Then, many of the men implicated by witnesses - including Battaglini, mob capo Anthony "Ant" Staino Jr. and underboss Joseph "Mousie" Massimino - sat beside Ligambi and Borgesi at the defense table.

Staino was sentenced to eight years in prison in July, after pleading guilty to three counts of conspiracy and illegal gambling. Massimino received a 15-year sentence after his conviction in February.

This time though, as witness after witness has outlined their dealings with the lower-level mobsters, few have made mention of the two men currently on trial.

Procaccini's testimony, which began Thursday, offered one of the first direct links.

He told jurors Thursday that Staino, Massimino and Ligambi edged him out of the South Philadelphia video poker market in 2001 by forcing him to sell his business. The three made men set up their own company, JMA Video Poker, so the deal would appear legitimate, prosecutors allege.

But what Procaccini viewed as a shakedown, Ligambi saw as just business, said Edwin Jacobs Jr., lawyer for the reputed mob boss. JMA paid Procaccini $3,000 for each of his gambling machines located at bars, laundromats and bodegas around South Philadelphia.

Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, deny any involvement in the illegal gambling, loan-sharking and bookmaking operations of their mob fellows and have repeatedly disputed prosecutors' characterization of them as men who muscled their way through business with threats of violence.

And as testimony continued Friday with a slew of bar flies, shopkeepers, and nightspot owners - all of whom said they housed JMA gambling machines in their businesses - even the convicted mobsters at times, came off as gentlemen.

Rhoda Burke, a 54-year-old barmaid, took the stand late in the afternoon and recalled her interactions with Staino, who came by her South Philadelphia watering hole twice a month to collect her poker machine's earnings.

"He was a very nice man," she said. "He used to bring baskets of fruit at Christmastime. He treated us very well."

Testimony is scheduled to resume Monday.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/16/13 07:08 AM

Somebody explain this to me,you mean ''allegedley''none of these jurors know about the first trial.Were they all out of the country at the same time,or when they are getting ready to be picked for the jury does everyone just go on their word when they say they never heard of these guys or the first trial.If I wanted to get out of work and just do something different I'd say whatever they wanted me to say to sit on the jury.The other part about Staino being a nice guy,why wouldn't he be.He's collecting money with no problems.
Posted By: paprincess

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/16/13 07:54 PM

Ages, citizenships, in school, unable to be located, out of state, who knows...
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/16/13 10:36 PM

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2013

Nap Time At The Mob Trial
By Ralph Cipriano
for Bigtrial.net

At the mob trial on a slow Friday afternoon, only a dozen spectators showed up to watch a bad rerun.

Most were students who stopped by briefly and left.

The afternoon's witnesses included two subdued bar owners who testified about illegal gambling in South Philly, and a state trooper who raided 22 South Philly businesses and confiscated a bunch of Dodge City video poker machines.

At the defense table, a dapper "Uncle Joe" Ligambi, alleged boss of the Philadelphia mob, passed a note to his nephew, George Borgesi, and Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren.

Georgie Boy smirked behind his glasses; Warren laughed.

Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, are on trial for racketeering conspiracy. It's a leftover charge from a broader racketeering case that ended in February when both defendants acquitted of most of the charges against them.

Only a couple of veteran trial watchers bothered to stop by to catch the rerun. One gave the show a bad review.

"How can you have a mob trial with no murders, no violence, and no money," said Walter, before returning to his seat.

Worse yet, there were no mobsters in the cheap seats, or mobster wives or relatives around to provide some local color. The media had also taken a holiday.

How much worse can it get for the local mob if they put the godfather on trial and it's so dull nobody cares?

Up on the witness stand, Rhoda Burke was talking about her Dodge City poker machine at Coley's Lounge, at Third and Porter.

She explained how she only paid off the people she knew who were lucky enough to win money on her machines. A stranger might turn out to be an undercover officer.

"It was against the law, and you knew that? the prosecutor asked.

"Yes," she said.

The guys who owned the poker machine stopped by once a week to "square up" with the owner, reimbursing her for the winnings she paid out.

About her machines, "You don't always win," she said. Usually, "you lose."

The government has alleged that Ligambi and a few pals named "Ant" and "Mousie" muscled in on the guys who used to own the video poker machines, and took over the business. Ligambi clams it was just a legitimate business deal they couldn't refuse.

Burke said she collected between $200 and $300 a month from her poker machine.

"That helped me pay my utility bills," she said.

In recent years, the machines were owned by mobster Anthony Staino, doing 97 months on racketeering and extortion charges from the last mob trial.

"He was a very nice man," Burke said of Staino. "He was very nice to me."

Staino, according to the government, was partners with Ligambi and mob underboss Joseph "Mousie" Massimino in JMA, a company formed in 2001 to rent video poker machines to bars and restaurants.

Mousie is doing 188 months after being convicted of racketeering conspiracy.

The video poker machine Staino left behind is still at Coley's, making money.

"I still have it," she said. She did not mention whether she reports those earnings to the IRS.

On cross-examination, Ed Jacobs, on behalf of Ligambi, pointed out that Burke was still in business at Coley's, and so was her poker machine, because nobody in the government cares about punishing anybody except mobsters.

"You're not in the slammer?" he asked.

No, she said.

And the government can take her machine back any time if they want it, she added.

Frank DiClaudio, owner of DiNic's Tavern at 15th and Snyder, said he had an agreement with the government that anything he said in court couldn't be used to prosecute him.

He kept up to three Dodge City video poker machines in his tavern.

"They've been around forever," he said. "It helps pay the bills."

DiNic's is a neighborhood bar that serves roast pork and beef sandwiches. His customers come in, grab a beer, and play video poker. If they're lucky, they win cash payouts of between $20 and $300.

The customers usually lose, but they keep playing anyway, DiClaudio said. "In the end, they're gonna play to make up their losses."

The usual split, DiClaudio said, was he kept 70 percent of "the drop," or earnings from the machines, which usually amounted to between $500 and $600 a week. The vending machine company got the remaining 30 percent.

"I was responsible for payouts," DiClaudio said. Despite the payouts, "It's a revenue stream."

Back in 2007, mobster Gaeton Lucibello stopped into DiNic's to pitch his company's video poker machines.

"Give us a shot," he asked DiClaudio.

DiClaudio said he had known Lucibello for a long time.

"His sister lived across the street from my aunt," he explained. Lucibello was a real gentleman as a customer. He'd come in, order a couple of drinks, and leave a $100 bill on the bar, saying keep the change. Lucibello's generosity made him a popular customer.

So DiClaudio decided to rent two video poker machines from JMA, and he kept one from his old vendor.

When state troopers raided his tavern in 2009, they confiscated all the video poker machines and arrested DiClaudio.

After he got out of jail, DiClaudio got the machines replaced "within a day or so," he said.

"Did you continue to use the machines for illegal gambling," the prosecutor asked.

"Yes," he said.

On cross-examination, lawyer Jacobs on behalf of Ligambi, asked DiClaudio if he ever had to do any jail time for running an illegal gambling operation.

No, he said.

"You admit to 20 years of video gaming and it doesn't come back to bite you?" Jacobs asked.

Apparently not.

Lucibello is now serving a 51-month prison term after pleading guilty to racketeering conspiracy charges.

The last witness of the day was Pennsylvania Trooper Glenn Hobey.

Hobey told how in 2009 he raided 22 bars, restaurants and other fine establishments throughout South Philly, including Grumpy's Tavern at 800 Cross Street.

"There were a total of three [video poker machines] that came out of Grumpy's," the trooper said.

Pictures of the machines were flashed on the screens of several court computers.

"It appears to be a Dodge City," the trooper testified.

The trooper was just warming to the subject of the raid on Grumpy's and other establishments when Judge Eduardo C. Robreno announced he'd heard enough.

"Let's just adjourn," the judge said. "It's been a long week."

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/nap-time-at-mob-trial.html#L071DjK1FlpOc0re.99
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/16/13 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
Somebody explain this to me,you mean ''allegedley''none of these jurors know about the first trial.Were they all out of the country at the same time,or when they are getting ready to be picked for the jury does everyone just go on their word when they say they never heard of these guys or the first trial.If I wanted to get out of work and just do something different I'd say whatever they wanted me to say to sit on the jury.The other part about Staino being a nice guy,why wouldn't he be.He's collecting money with no problems.
i find it pretty believable that they could find people that didnt know about the first trial. I mean besides people that are somehow connected to these guys, the only other people who follow or pay any attention to this stuff are the bunch losers who spend their time on websites like this. wink
Posted By: NightOwl

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 12:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: 22
Somebody explain this to me,you mean ''allegedley''none of these jurors know about the first trial.Were they all out of the country at the same time,or when they are getting ready to be picked for the jury does everyone just go on their word when they say they never heard of these guys or the first trial.If I wanted to get out of work and just do something different I'd say whatever they wanted me to say to sit on the jury.The other part about Staino being a nice guy,why wouldn't he be.He's collecting money with no problems.
i find it pretty believable that they could find people that didnt know about the first trial. I mean besides people that are somehow connected to these guys, the only other people who follow or pay any attention to this stuff are the bunch losers who spend their time on websites like this. wink


lol I was going to say something similar. If it weren't for Fox 29 I don't think a lot of people would even know half of mob stuff they do. Dave S drums up drama about a possible mob war. I find that amusing because if your going to make a move on someone and hit them where it hurts, it's not by using violence but your connections within Law Enforcement and Politics. No one in the right mind is going to go to war over video poker machines, a few dozen books, taxing dope dealers, loansharking, and some prostitution. They have white collar rackets within insurance and real estate.

If George and his uncle beat the case life goes on. The scarfo guys better hope that gorilla glue was durable over that long stretch of time.
Posted By: StLguy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 12:58 AM

" No one in the right mind is going to go to war..."

What about someone who is batshit crazy?
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 03:25 AM

Those Scarfo guys are all set up pretty good,I mean I'm sure they put a couple of bucks away.They were making big time money with the AC Unions,construction,and whatever.Some had good real-estate holdings like the Pungitores and the Narduccis had the clubs,steak shops,bars.A little more sophisticated than today,beside the big-wigs who else was making any real money out there now?
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 03:29 AM

i dont think it matters if how much money you have, when you have the criminality running in your blood its real hard to supress it aka gravano had plenty of money and still felt the need to break the law
Posted By: NightOwl

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 09:38 AM

Originally Posted By: 22
Those Scarfo guys are all set up pretty good,I mean I'm sure they put a couple of bucks away.They were making big time money with the AC Unions,construction,and whatever.Some had good real-estate holdings like the Pungitores and the Narduccis had the clubs,steak shops,bars.A little more sophisticated than today,beside the big-wigs who else was making any real money out there now?


Charlie White was his son setup nice or was it the drugs ?
Posted By: NightOwl

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 10:04 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Mazzones wife is sexy as hell i must say when i first saw her i was like damnnnnn lol. merlinos wife also looks great... ill try to get more pics soon!


Word out here is Stevie's wife left him a while back


That's correct. She left Stevie for a legit guy that makes a lot of money. He's not going away anytime soon, so I would assume most women prefer a husband over a vibrator every few years. Maybe she was tire of having all her toys taken away. I'm sure they still smash on the low but when your a hood and have money your going to cheat on your wife, regardless.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 01:04 PM

Speaking of Charlie White's son that was Vince Iannucci,right.Whatever happened to him.I mean he was an up and comer and then nothing.I remember when he got popped at home that time but that's it?
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 02:25 PM

Georgie and Uncle Joes lawyer made some pretty good points about the bartenders running that illegal poker machines for 20 years and still having them in the bars and not being brought up on racketeering or gambling charges
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: NightOwl
Charlie White was his son setup nice or was it the drugs ?
Originally Posted By: 22
Speaking of Charlie White's son that was Vince Iannucci,right.Whatever happened to him.I mean he was an up and comer and then nothing.I remember when he got popped at home that time but that's it?

I know Iannece's kid "Chaz" got popped in 2008(?) on meth charges but he was a small player in that bust. From what i remember of the arrests he was just buying eight balls of speed for him and his buddies. I think it was called operation broken doll. They were getting the shit sent from mexico in porcelain dolls. Actually it was first sent to cali where it was reshipped to the buyers in philly.

A few of the other philly guys involved went down pretty hard...they were moving larger weight.

Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/17/13 11:09 PM

why were the boss, underboss, and a captain all shaking down a poker machine owner?

they sound thirsty and broke

the captain shouldn't even have been directly dealing with the business owner
Posted By: NightOwl

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/18/13 12:16 AM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
why were the boss, underboss, and a captain all shaking down a poker machine owner?

they sound thirsty and broke

the captain shouldn't even have been directly dealing with the business owner


They have more then just poker machines. They have those LCD Touch-Screen Monitors that you can play various games on while sitting at the bar. I think Photo-hunt is there cash-cow next to video-poker machines
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/18/13 02:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

"His sister lived across the street from my aunt," he explained. Lucibello was a real gentleman as a customer. He'd come in, order a couple of drinks, and leave a $100 bill on the bar, saying keep the change. Lucibello's generosity made him a popular customer.

How is Lucibello making so much money?
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/18/13 04:12 AM

i wondered the same exact thing lol
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/18/13 03:32 PM

The video poker machine Staino left behind is still at Coley's, making money.


yet Ant is doing a ten year bid...comical
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/18/13 06:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

"His sister lived across the street from my aunt," he explained. Lucibello was a real gentleman as a customer. He'd come in, order a couple of drinks, and leave a $100 bill on the bar, saying keep the change. Lucibello's generosity made him a popular customer.

How is Lucibello making so much money?


I would guess he makes the monies from organized crime?
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/19/13 12:08 PM

Whatever Lucibello was doing, legal or illegal, somebody is watching over it and he is in some way, shape, or form getting his cut. Whether he has a soldier in the family running the show for a percent or a trusted friend or family member. Lucibello has done it for other people and im sure somebodys there to do it for him and make some money for themselves too. Plus he wont be gone for too long.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/19/13 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: cheech
The video poker machine Staino left behind is still at Coley's, making money.


yet Ant is doing a ten year bid...comical




i hope you meant poker machines and not poker machine

philly seems like a bunch of purse snatchers
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/19/13 08:59 PM

i copied and pasted from the article loser
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/19/13 09:03 PM

Originally Posted By: cheech
i copied and pasted from the article loser


Just ignore cookcounty. All he's got left on this board is going after crime families that aren't the Outfit.
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/19/13 09:05 PM

lol the outfit is so irrelevent i havent heard a thing about them in a long time.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 02:10 AM

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131120_Mob_defendant_asks__If_state_makes_gambling_legal___.html

Mob defendant asks: If state makes gambling legal...


Jeremy Roebuck, Inquirer Staff Writer
November 19, 2013


A day after Pennsylvania lawmakers moved to open the door for legal, small-scale gambling in bars, Philadelphia mob figure George Borgesi posed what to him seemed an obvious question.

"So what are we doing here?" he asked a reporter Tuesday during a break from his retrial on racketeering conspiracy charges.

Tapping a newspaper story on the state's proposed gaming expansion with one hand and gesturing to his codefendant and uncle, Joseph Ligambi, with the other, the 50-year-old added: "That's what they want to lock him up for."

Well, not exactly.

Illegal gambling is just one of the accusations federal prosecutors have lodged against Ligambi, the reputed head of the Philadelphia mob, and Borgesi, his purported consigliere. And both men face federal, not state, charges.

But as their case entered its second full week, Borgesi's question echoed a theme defense lawyers have subtly emphasized over the course of six days of testimony: Compared with the city's past high-profile Mafia trials, which featured tales of murder, mayhem and mob-style justice, the current case with its allegations of illegal payouts on video poker machines and bookmaking seems like small change.

And in a state that has increasingly embraced gambling as a way to fund public initiatives, are these charges worth a 13-year investigation? Ligambi's attorney, Edwin Jacobs Jr., put that query to jurors during his opening statement earlier this month.

Authorities are making a big deal out of this, he said. Later, he borrowed from Abraham Lincoln to describe the government's case as being "as thin as a broth made from a shadow of a starving chicken."

Of course, the law is the law, and to hear prosecutors tell it, Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi repeatedly broke it.

The feds allege that both men profited from a mob network of video gaming machines installed in bars, laundromats and corner stores across South Philadelphia and managed by underlings. Ligambi, they say, also oversaw a shell company formed with two mob associates that muscled out competition with implied threats of violence.

But even some of the government's witnesses have replied to questions about illegal gaming with a half-hearted shrug.

Testifying Friday, bar owner Rhoda Burke said she still pays out money to winners on the video poker machine at her nightspot, Coley's Lounge, despite the current case. The authorities "can come and take the machine," she said. "I don't care. It doesn't belong to me."

Frank DiClaudio, owner of DeNic's Tavern at 15th and Snyder, said that whenever authorities seized a mob-managed machine from his bar, he would usually replace it within "a day or two."

On Tuesday, an FBI forensic examiner walked jurors through a how-to course on the poker machines in question. Ligambi and Borgesi don't deny that several mob associates ran an illegal gaming network. They just maintain that they weren't involved.

But the legislature's move this week to expand legalized gaming in bars may not offer the validation Borgesi believes.

Under the bill, passed Monday and awaiting Gov. Corbett's signature, certain establishments could obtain licenses to pay winners of drawings, raffles and pull-tab games. Payouts from video gambling machines would still be illegal, and individual prizes would be limited to $2,000 for a single game.

Though Corbett has signaled he'll sign bill, it will have no bearing on Ligambi and Borgesi's case. They are charged under federal law with alleged acts that occurred well before the latest round of gaming expansion was up for debate in Harrisburg.

Still, Borgesi tapped at The Inquirer's article about the bill throughout Tuesday's break in testimony, repeatedly nodding his head.

The trial will resume Wednesday.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 02:16 AM


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Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 03:50 AM

awesome pics whered you find those, post more if you have em
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 11:52 AM

is the one guy at the end on the right one of Ligambi's kids?
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 12:23 PM


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Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 12:27 PM


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 12:34 PM

as far as i know phil ligambi is made.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 12:36 PM

and someone im friends with is friends with ligambis son on facebook so i have seen some of the pics with the family at the beach n all.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 12:38 PM

Ligambi
http://prntscr.com/25g985

Ligambi
http://prntscr.com/25g9yf
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 12:40 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
and someone im friends with is friends with ligambis son on facebook so i have seen some of the pics with the family at the beach n all.


cool man. There are pictures of him on the internet (besides the well known one of him leaving courthouse with Anthony Borgesi behind him Lol) but you really have to look and sometimes it gets boring.
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 12:44 PM

ive seen a bunch of pics of mazzone and sonny mazzone but theyre all with their kids so i dont know if its appropriate to post them
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 02:17 PM

yea ive seen the same facebook pictures you talking about.. id love to see the mazzone pics but i respect it if you dont want to post them. is there anyway to cut them or black them out? ive only seen maybe two pictures of sonny ever. and maybe 10 of stevie plus the three pics i posted a few days ago of mazzone and some of his guys
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 02:39 PM

deleted.
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 02:44 PM

deleted since everyone here is a bunch of pussies.
Posted By: spmob

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 03:27 PM

Sonny has two sons with two different women. His oldest is like 19 and then he has a 13 year old with his ex wife whom I am related to. I dont care about the adult but don't put the 13 year old on here please. I can try to answer any questions you have about Sonny. I always thought he had a stick up his ass. But I have to say he always made pretty good money and only got caught up when he was doing something stupid...like being drunk and biting a guys ear off.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 04:11 PM


I have seen only a few pic of the Mazzone brothers
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/20/13 04:18 PM

Originally Posted By: TheChickenMan
ive seen a bunch of pics of mazzone and sonny mazzone but theyre all with their kids so i dont know if its appropriate to post them


If you use a screenshot tool online, you can blur out the child's face like I did to Ligambi's daughter. That's the best way to respect their privacy.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 12:13 AM

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/a-mob-toast-for-all-good-guys.html#SVMF8LGO74MBD0Vk.99

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2013

A Mob Toast For "All The Good Guys"

They ate and drank and laughed and joked.

They offered a toast "to all the good guys!"

And, the prosecution contends, they discussed mob business.

The jury in the racketeering conspiracy trial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi got to listen in today to secretly recorded conversations from a four-hour lunch Ligambi shared with nine other mobsters at a posh New Jersey restaurant in May 2010.

The defense has portrayed the session as a "social" gathering. Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor, the lead prosecutor in the case, calls it a "meeting of the board of directors of organized crime."

The conspiracy charge that Ligambi, 74, is fighting, could hinge on which version the anonymously chosen jury decides is accurate.

The toast was offered by Joseph "Scoops" Licata, one of three members of the Philadelphia crime family who attended the meeting with Ligambi. The six other mobsters were members of New York's powerful Gambino crime family, including crime family soldier Nicholas "Nicky Skins" Stefanelli.


"All the good guys, anywhere," Licata said as he and the others raised their glasses. "Whoever ain't here. The good guys."

While no one knew it at the time, Stefanelli, then 67, was wired for sound. The mobster had begun cooperating with the FBI a year earlier and had recorded dozens of conversations. The lunch at LaGriglia, a restaurant just off the Garden State Parkway in Kenilworth, is one of the first to be played publicly. Stefanelli committed suicide in April 2012. (See The Saga Of Nicky Skins, Bigtrial, Nov. 11, 2013).

The LaGriglia tape was introduced as evidence in Ligambi's first trial which ended in February. A jury convicted four of the seven defendants in that case, but hung on conspiracy charges against Ligambi and his nephew and co-defendant George Borgesi. Both are being retried.

Licata, 71, was found not guilty.

Prosecutors hope the LaGriglia meeting will establish Ligambi's leadership role in the crime family, a key element in supporting the racketeering charge against him. Borgesi, 50, was in prison at the time. The tape is not expected to have any impact on the charges against him.

Snippets of conversation culled from the four-hour lunch were played with mob expert and former FBI Agent Joaquin "Big Jack" Garcia on the witness stand. Garcia, working undercover as Jackie Falcone, had infiltrated a crew of the Gambino organization in 2002 and was eventually proposed for membership in the crime family.

He spent the morning outlining mob protocol and structure for the jury, then was asked to comment on conversations picked up on Stefanelli's body wire.

When Stefanelli introduced John Gambino as "caporegime...with the administration," Garcia said that indicated that Gambino was not only a captain in the crime family, but also a member of a ruling group known as the administration.

In turn, Licata is heard on tape introducing Ligambi as "our acting boss," a designation that placed Ligambi at the top of the family tree. Ligambi was running the family while mob boss Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino was serving a 14-year sentence for racketeering.

But not every comment needed to be explained.

When Ligambi referred to mobster-turned-informant Pete "Pete the Crump" Caprio as "that piece of shit," the jury didn't need clarification. Caprio's testimony earlier in the trial was interrupted because he broke his knee. He is expected to be recalled later.

And when Ligambi talked about "this rat motherfucker Ralph," the only thing the jury needed to be told was that Ralph was former mob boss Ralph Natale, who like Caprio, became a government witness.

How well the tapes play into the conspiracy charge is an open question. Clearly they were not enough for the jury in the first trial. None of the discussions focus on the gambling and loansharking charges that are the basis for the conspiracy the government alleges Ligambi orchestrated.

But the prosecution believes the tape establishes Ligambi's role as the boss.

Earlier in the day, Garcia had told the jury "in the mob, money...flows up, never down." Members and associates have to "kick up" a piece of their earnings to their capo who in turn kicks up to the boss, he said.

That's the chain that the government alleges existed in the Philadelphia crime family from 1999 through 2012. And during that period, authorities contend, Ligambi was at the top of that chain.

Garcia is expected back on the stand to face cross-examination when the trial resumes Thursday. The veteran FBI agent, who co-wrote a book "Making Jack Falcone" about his exploits undercover was challenged repeatedly by the defense during that first trial and will likely experience more of the same this time around.

Shortly before he took the stand, the affable and burly former agent (he appears to weigh more than 300 pounds) just shook his head about the prospect of testifying again.

"I'd rather be undercover," he said.
Posted By: NightOwl

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 12:29 AM

What a coincidence the old man goes on trial and we have several posters putting the guy on blast.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Shortly before he took the stand, the affable and burly former agent (he appears to weigh more than 300 pounds) just shook his head about the prospect of testifying again.

"I'd rather be undercover," he said.

lol
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 04:26 PM

Man you could not even imagine the anger Stevie would display if he knew those photos of his family were up on here. I honestly think that should be taken down ASAP, not even out of respect for his privacy but just to ensure the safety of whoever posted them.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 04:27 PM

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201311...ting_boss_.html

Mobsters on wiretap call Ligambi 'acting boss'

PHILADELPHIA It was the evidence that Joseph Ligambi's lawyers didn't want a jury to hear.

But in a one-two punch Wednesday, federal prosecutors laid out two of the most contentious elements of their racketeering case against the reputed head of the Philadelphia mob.

First, Joaquin Garcia, a former undercover FBI agent who once infiltrated New York's Gambino crime family, regaled jurors with tales of Mafia rituals, violence, and the gangsters with whom he once rubbed elbows.

Then came a recording of a four-hour 2010 lunch meeting between Ligambi and other mobsters from Philadelphia and New York in which they checked up on imprisoned friends, described a mob initiation ceremony in detail, and hashed out disputes over territory.

From the start, Ligambi was introduced to the group as "our acting boss."

Twice, Ligambi's lawyer Edwin Jacobs Jr. has tried unsuccessfully to have that recording and Garcia's testimony thrown out - once before his client's first trial on racketeering conspiracy charges last year, and again after a deadlocked jury prompted the retrial that began this month.

In the former agent's case, Jacobs has argued that Garcia's experience with the Gambino clan - one of New York's five Mafia families - offers little insight into the workings of the Philadelphia mob. What's worse, he said, the agent's tales of strip-club shakedowns and a seventy-something Gambino capo still capable of delivering a beat down would only serve to prejudice jurors.

But in terms of pure entertainment, Garcia didn't disappoint.

Jurors listened raptly Wednesday as the Cuban immigrant detailed his efforts to pass himself off as a low-level Italian crook named Jack Falcone. He eventually became the driver and confidant of Gambino captain Gregory DePalma, who gave the then-agent a jewel-laden pinkie ring to commemorate his welcome to the crew.

"Unfortunately, it was quite gaudy and ugly," the former agent said. "But it would have been disrespectful to him not to wear it."

Garcia said he observed talk of all manner of crimes, ranging from extortion to insurance fraud, during his nearly three years with DePalma. At one point, the captain directed Garcia and other members of his crew to join a union so they could sign up for health insurance.

"It was better than the FBI's, actually," he quipped.

Joking aside, Garcia said he never forgot the danger of his assignment.

"Without their ability to terrorize, you would not have La Cosa Nostra," he said. "This is not a Rotary club, a Knights of Columbus. This is La Cosa Nostra."

Prosecutors maintain that the recording of the May 2010 lunch meeting echoes the violent tendencies Garcia described.

Ligambi and other Philadelphia mob associates met that afternoon with several high-ranking members of the Gambino family over pasta and wine at La Griglia, a posh eatery in Kenilworth, N.J.

But as they conducted what authorities have described as a Mafia "board of directors" meeting, neither group realized it was being recorded by Nicholas "Nicky Skins" Stefanelli, a North Jersey mobster and FBI cooperator.


Ligambi can be heard throughout the audio played Wednesday. He updated the others on the status of incarcerated associates, including former Philadelphia boss Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino, and cracked jokes about others held in lower regard.

Describing the slim pickings offered by one of the poorer earners in his New Jersey faction, Ligambi cracked: "He's selling cakes out of the trunk of his car."

Later, recalling another associate's initiation ceremony - a ritual that entailed a knife prick to the finger to symbolize a new member's blood commitment - Ligambi earned some of his biggest laughs.

"The . . . blood splashed all over my shirt. . . . It splashed all over me," he said. "I still got the shirt at home. I saved it."

Tales like those led Jacobs, during the first trial, to describe the meeting as nothing more than a gathering of nostalgic geriatrics swapping tales of the mob's long-gone glory days.

Earlier, he argued the recording shouldn't be played at all. Stefanelli, the informant, committed suicide last year and cannot be called for cross-examination.

Still, Garcia led jurors through the tape Wednesday, identifying the speakers and explicating their often garbled mutterings, including a lament from North Jersey mobster Joseph "Scoops" Licata about the low-quality of the mob's recent recruits.

Louis "Big Lou" Fazzini agreed: "It's not about money. It's about . . . brotherhood."

But even as they spoke, that brotherhood was being betrayed.

Garcia is expected to resume his testimony Thursday.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 04:32 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Man you could not even imagine the anger Stevie would display if he knew those photos of his family were up on here. I honestly think that should be taken down ASAP, not even out of respect for his privacy but just to ensure the safety of whoever posted them.


Agreed. Should blur or black out other people's faces out of respect, remember most of them are just family members not LCN affiliated.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 04:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Man you could not even imagine the anger Stevie would display if he knew those photos of his family were up on here. I honestly think that should be taken down ASAP, not even out of respect for his privacy but just to ensure the safety of whoever posted them.


Agreed. Should blur or black out other people's faces out of respect, remember most of them are just family members not LCN affiliated.


At the same time, these photos are online. I have no affiliation with posting any of them, but these are all pictures of him smiling at the camera with his buddies, not FBI photos. If he's pissed at people on here then he should be just as pissed at the people who put this on facebook or whatnot website.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 05:41 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Man you could not even imagine the anger Stevie would display if he knew those photos of his family were up on here. I honestly think that should be taken down ASAP, not even out of respect for his privacy but just to ensure the safety of whoever posted them.


Agreed. Should blur or black out other people's faces out of respect, remember most of them are just family members not LCN affiliated.


At the same time, these photos are online. I have no affiliation with posting any of them, but these are all pictures of him smiling at the camera with his buddies, not FBI photos. If he's pissed at people on here then he should be just as pissed at the people who put this on facebook or whatnot website.


Guys I agree completely but I'm just telling you, he is going to go insane with rage if he sees this. I was so shocked when I saw them I was going to bring it to his attention (not a brag), but I honestly don't wanna deal with the backlash. To call this guy fired up is an understatement, the pics should probably be removed. I have nothing to do with this, just bringing it to someone's attention the pics of his family should be removed.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 06:03 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Guys I agree completely but I'm just telling you, he is going to go insane with rage if he sees this. I was so shocked when I saw them I was going to bring it to his attention (not a brag), but I honestly don't wanna deal with the backlash. To call this guy fired up is an understatement, the pics should probably be removed. I have nothing to do with this, just bringing it to someone's attention the pics of his family should be removed.

I agree with you Mikey...i was going to say something about it yesterday but didn't because people will say i did the same thing.

But it was a mistake on my part posting the ones i did and i really think it's a mistake now to post any family shots and especially the ones with any kids.

Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 06:37 PM

i deleted them.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 06:42 PM

It'll be okay, I doubt they gonna put a hit out on anyone.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 06:46 PM

Haha probably not but I'd say a 40% chance of a hospital visit if your in the philly/cherry hill area and he knew who you were
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Haha probably not but I'd say a 40% chance of a hospital visit if your in the philly/cherry hill area and he knew who you were

lol! Your probably right about that. Definitely more trouble then it's worth IMHO. Who needs the headaches over a few pics.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 07:55 PM

Right, anyway has there been any articles yet today? Might be to early
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 10:38 PM

I know it's been mentioned before but if anyone has audio links to the trial testimony that would be great...I forget who posted it during the previous trial...
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 10:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Joselevens
I know it's been mentioned before but if anyone has audio links to the trial testimony that would be great...I forget who posted it during the previous trial...

JerryB posted them on the RD forum during the first trial but he doesn't post there these days so i'm not sure if he's still getting the audio files off of the PACER site or not.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/21/13 11:10 PM

Mob Jury Gets A History Lesson

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


It was Mob History 101, a primer on the wantonly violent and consistently treacherous Philadelphia branch of Cosa Nostra.

Jurors in the racketeering conspiracy trial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi got nearly four hours of the murderous and mundane today as the trial entered its third week. With mob expert and former FBI agent Joaquin "Big Jack" Garcia on the stand and Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr. conducting a lengthy and detailed cross-examination, the anonymously chosen jury took a trip down a bloody memory lane.

Some highlights (or lowlights depending on your point of view):

-- Angelo's Bruno was shotgunned to death in March 1980, a hit that destabilized the once smoothly run organization. Bruno's consigliere, Antonio "Tony Bananas" Caponigro, was behind the murder of the so-called Docile Don and thought he had the approval of the New York-based Mafia Commission. He didn't. On that, Garcia and Jacobs agreed.

Caponigro was killed a short later.

"He thought he was going to be knighted as head of the family," Garcia said. "Instead he was tortured and killed and money was left in every orifice of his body."

-- South Philadelphia steak shop owner and one-time high level bookmaker Danny D'Ambrosio should have been killed, under strict mob rules, for plotting with North Jersey mobster Peter "Pete the Crumb" Caprio (who later became a government witness) to murder Ligambi, his current co-defendant and nephew George Borgesi and then crime family consigliere Steven Manzone in the late 1990s. Caprio had the approval of three of the New York crime families, who supported what was to be his takeover of the Philadelphia organization. (The plot was never carried out because Caprio was arrested.)

And today D'Ambrosio operates his steak shop about two blocks from Ligambi's Packer Park townhouse.

Garcia conceded that under typical mob protocol, D'Ambrosio should be dead.

"He must have gotten a pass," said the burly former FBI agent.

-- The attempted murder of Nicodemo Scarfo Jr. in Dante&Lugi's Restaurant on Halloween night 1989 was, after the Bruno murder, the "most notorious hit in the history" of the Philadelphia crimne family, Jaocbs said.

"It's right up there," Garcia conceded, adding that Joey Merlino was the shooter that night.

On that Jacobs and Garcia

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/mob-jury-gets-history-lesson.html#wLZ3rwLSLAdDDX2L.99
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 12:38 PM

Originally Posted By: jmack
Mob Jury Gets A History Lesson

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net



It was Mob History 101, a primer on the wantonly violent and consistently treacherous Philadelphia branch of Cosa Nostra.

Jurors in the racketeering conspiracy trial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi got nearly four hours of the murderous and mundane today as the trial entered its third week. With mob expert and former FBI agent Joaquin "Big Jack" Garcia on the stand and Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr. conducting a lengthy and detailed cross-examination, the anonymously chosen jury took a trip down a bloody memory lane.

Some highlights (or lowlights depending on your point of view):

-- Angelo's Bruno was shotgunned to death in March 1980, a hit that destabilized the once smoothly run organization. Bruno's consigliere, Antonio "Tony Bananas" Caponigro, was behind the murder of the so-called Docile Don and thought he had the approval of the New York-based Mafia Commission. He didn't. On that, Garcia and Jacobs agreed.

Caponigro was killed a short later.

"He thought he was going to be knighted as head of the family," Garcia said. "Instead he was tortured and killed and money was left in every orifice of his body."

-- South Philadelphia steak shop owner and one-time high level bookmaker Danny D'Ambrosio should have been killed, under strict mob rules, for plotting with North Jersey mobster Peter "Pete the Crumb" Caprio (who later became a government witness) to murder Ligambi, his current co-defendant and nephew George Borgesi and then crime family consigliere Steven Manzone in the late 1990s. Caprio had the approval of three of the New York crime families, who supported what was to be his takeover of the Philadelphia organization. (The plot was never carried out because Caprio was arrested.)

And today D'Ambrosio operates his steak shop about two blocks from Ligambi's Packer Park townhouse.

Garcia conceded that under typical mob protocol, D'Ambrosio should be dead.

"He must have gotten a pass," said the burly former FBI agent.

-- The attempted murder of Nicodemo Scarfo Jr. in Dante&Lugi's Restaurant on Halloween night 1989 was, after the Bruno murder, the "most notorious hit in the history" of the Philadelphia crimne family, Jaocbs said.

"It's right up there," Garcia conceded, adding that Joey Merlino was the shooter that night.

On that Jacobs and Garcia

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/mob-jury-gets-history-lesson.html#wLZ3rwLSLAdDDX2L.99



jmack, if you gonna post, post the whole damn article
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 12:40 PM

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2013

Mob Jury Gets A History Lesson


It was Mob History 101, a primer on the wantonly violent and consistently treacherous Philadelphia branch of Cosa Nostra.

Jurors in the racketeering conspiracy trial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi got nearly four hours of the murderous and mundane today as the trial entered its third week. With mob expert and former FBI agent Joaquin "Big Jack" Garcia on the stand and Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., conducting a lengthy and detailed cross-examination, the anonymously chosen jury took a trip down a bloody memory lane.

Some highlights (or lowlights depending on your point of view):

-- Mob boss Angelo Bruno was shotgunned to death in March 1980, a hit that destabilized the once smoothly run organization. Bruno's consigliere, Antonio "Tony Bananas" Caponigro, was behind the murder of the so-called Docile Don and thought he had the approval of the New York-based Mafia Commission. He didn't. On that, Garcia and Jacobs agreed.


Caponigro was killed a short later.

"He thought he was going to be knighted as head of the family," Garcia said. "Instead he was tortured and killed and money was left in every orifice of his body."

-- South Philadelphia steak shop owner and one-time high level bookmaker Danny D'Ambrosio should have been killed, under strict mob rules, for plotting with North Jersey mobster Peter "Pete the Crumb" Caprio (who later became a government witness) to murder Ligambi, his current co-defendant and nephew George Borgesi and then crime family consigliere Steven Manzone in the late 1990s. Caprio had the approval of three of the New York crime families, who supported what was to be his takeover of the Philadelphia organization. (The plot was never carried out because Caprio was arrested.)

But today D'Ambrosio operates his steak shop about two blocks from Ligambi's Packer Park townhouse.

Garcia conceded that under typical mob protocol, D'Ambrosio should be dead.

"He must have gotten a pass," said the burly former FBI agent. "I don't have inside information as to why (he) has a pass, but he does."

-- The attempted murder of Nicodemo Scarfo Jr. in Dante & Luigi's Restaurant on Halloween night 1989 was, after the Bruno murder, the "most notorious hit in the history" of the Philadelphia crime family, Jaocbs said.

"It's right up there," Garcia conceded, adding that Joey Merlino was the shooter that night.

On that Jacobs and Garcia clashed. Garcia said he was repeating what other mobsters had said in tapped conversations. Jacobs said the Florida-based Merlino has never been charged with that crime. Jacobs has represented Merlino in the past and has won acquittals on murder charges in both a racketeering trial and a murder trial.

Garcia also said he believes Merlino, 50, continues to run the Philadelphia family from Florida and that even when Ralph Natale was the titular head of the organization in the mid 1990s, Merlino was in fact the boss.

Natale, Garcia said, was a "straw boss," a boss in name only. "Merlino ran the streets...still does, even as we speak. That's my opinion," Garcia said.

Jacobs and Garcia debated dozens of other issues during the cross-examination with the defense attorney demonstrating detailed recall of events, cases and testimony stretching back more than 20 years. Jacobs is considered one of the top criminal defense attorneys in the Philadelphia - South Jersey area and has represented several major mob figures over the years.

Garcia, who retired after 26 years in the FBI, also had a stellar career working undercover and infiltrating organized crime and drug dealing networks. The two argued about mob protocol, agreed that there is a difference between a racketeer and a gangster (a gangster is more vicious and violent) and disagreed over what has emerged as one of the central issues in the case.

Jacobs has referred repeatedly to a meeting at a North Jersey restaurant in May 2010 as a "social"

gathering, a description that also is used in at least one FBI report. Ligambi was one of 10 mobsters who had lunch at LaGriglia, a posh restaurant in Kenilworth, that May afternoon.

The government contends that the session was a meeting of the leaders of the Philadelphia mob and the Gambino crime family and has used conversations secretly recorded by a cooperating witness to build the conspiracy charge against Ligambi.

Jacobs has pointed out that none of the tapes include discussions about crimes being planned or scores being settled. Garcia conceded as much, but he said the meeting in and of itself -- given the attendees -- was a "RICO conspiracy."

"It was a very important meeting," Garcia said. It was, he added, two organized crime families engaged in "relationship building."

The jury has heard snippets of nearly two dozen conversations from meetings at LaGriglia and The American Bistro, a pub in Belleville.

On one tape, Ligambi brings up the D'Ambrosio issue in a joking way. He told those sharing lunch that D'Ambrosio's father "comes over my house about three or four years ago. Said the FBI said you was gonna kill my son. He was telling me this on the step. I said, `What the fuck you talkin' about? Don't ever come around this house again. I don't know what you're talking about.' I mean, that's the kind of nuts you're dealing with. You know what I mean?"

Ligambi's comment underscored a point that was one of the underlying themes in Jacobs' cross-examination.

As he did in Ligambi's first trial, which ended with a hung jury on the conspiracy count, Jacobs appears to be trying to draw a distinction between Ligambi and the mob bosses in Philadelphia who came before him.

At one point he ticked off 15 murders and attempted murders that were part of the racketeering case against Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo in 1988 and nine murders and attempted murders that were part of the 1995 case against John Stanfa.

"In this indictment," he asked Garcia, "there isn't a murder or an attempted murder, is there? Or a gun or a knife or a slap in the face?"

The defense has argued that the prosecution, desperate to make a case after a 12-year investigation turned up precious little, hung a racketeering conspiracy charge around what amounts to second rate gambling activity.

Garcia, responding with what has been the prosecution's theme, said that violence wasn't necessary during Ligambi's reign because the crime family's reputation -- built by Scarfo and Stanfa -- was already well established.

While the lawyer and the witness disagreed on several major issues, there was consensus when they discussed food. Jacobs said that mobsters often meet for breakfast, lunch, dinner and "late night snacks" and asked Garcia if, during the two and one-half years he worked undercover as an associate of Gambino crime family capo Greg DePalma, that was the normal routine.

Garcia said it was.

"In fact," Jacobs said, "you gained 90 pounds in those two and one-half years."


"Yes, I did," the 300-pound ex-agent said with a smile, adding that he has been unable to shed the weight.

Later, when a discussion turned to antipasto, Jacobs and Garcia again shared a laugh. Earlier in his testimony Garcia, who was born in Cuba, said he had to study Siclian food and culture when he posed as a Jack Falcone, a supposed Sicilian, to get close to DePalma.

"You know something about antipasto, then? " Jacobs asked.

"I've had my share of antipasto," Garcia responded.

"You've had everybody's share," said Jacobs.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/mob-jury-gets-history-lesson.html#RgY8EDOg7vGuCfbH.99
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 02:25 PM

This trial isn't as exciting as the first one so far. I feel like it could get real interesting really soon. The charges are bullshit anyway, sucks the prosecutors and judge are going to do whatever possible to try and nail them.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 02:31 PM

The charges are so weak without any violence - if I was a juror I would feel awful being part of sending people away on these trumped up charges ecsp these two who have either done their time or getting older ..
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2013

Mob Jury Gets A History Lesson


It was Mob History 101, a primer on the wantonly violent and consistently treacherous Philadelphia branch of Cosa Nostra.

Jurors in the racketeering conspiracy trial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi got nearly four hours of the murderous and mundane today as the trial entered its third week. With mob expert and former FBI agent Joaquin "Big Jack" Garcia on the stand and Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., conducting a lengthy and detailed cross-examination, the anonymously chosen jury took a trip down a bloody memory lane.

Some highlights (or lowlights depending on your point of view):

-- Mob boss Angelo Bruno was shotgunned to death in March 1980, a hit that destabilized the once smoothly run organization. Bruno's consigliere, Antonio "Tony Bananas" Caponigro, was behind the murder of the so-called Docile Don and thought he had the approval of the New York-based Mafia Commission. He didn't. On that, Garcia and Jacobs agreed.


Caponigro was killed a short later.

"He thought he was going to be knighted as head of the family," Garcia said. "Instead he was tortured and killed and money was left in every orifice of his body."

-- South Philadelphia steak shop owner and one-time high level bookmaker Danny D'Ambrosio should have been killed, under strict mob rules, for plotting with North Jersey mobster Peter "Pete the Crumb" Caprio (who later became a government witness) to murder Ligambi, his current co-defendant and nephew George Borgesi and then crime family consigliere Steven Manzone in the late 1990s. Caprio had the approval of three of the New York crime families, who supported what was to be his takeover of the Philadelphia organization. (The plot was never carried out because Caprio was arrested.)

But today D'Ambrosio operates his steak shop about two blocks from Ligambi's Packer Park townhouse.

Garcia conceded that under typical mob protocol, D'Ambrosio should be dead.

"He must have gotten a pass," said the burly former FBI agent. "I don't have inside information as to why (he) has a pass, but he does."

-- The attempted murder of Nicodemo Scarfo Jr. in Dante & Luigi's Restaurant on Halloween night 1989 was, after the Bruno murder, the "most notorious hit in the history" of the Philadelphia crime family, Jaocbs said.

"It's right up there," Garcia conceded, adding that Joey Merlino was the shooter that night.

On that Jacobs and Garcia clashed. Garcia said he was repeating what other mobsters had said in tapped conversations. Jacobs said the Florida-based Merlino has never been charged with that crime. Jacobs has represented Merlino in the past and has won acquittals on murder charges in both a racketeering trial and a murder trial.

Garcia also said he believes Merlino, 50, continues to run the Philadelphia family from Florida and that even when Ralph Natale was the titular head of the organization in the mid 1990s, Merlino was in fact the boss.

Natale, Garcia said, was a "straw boss," a boss in name only. "Merlino ran the streets...still does, even as we speak. That's my opinion," Garcia said.

Jacobs and Garcia debated dozens of other issues during the cross-examination with the defense attorney demonstrating detailed recall of events, cases and testimony stretching back more than 20 years. Jacobs is considered one of the top criminal defense attorneys in the Philadelphia - South Jersey area and has represented several major mob figures over the years.

Garcia, who retired after 26 years in the FBI, also had a stellar career working undercover and infiltrating organized crime and drug dealing networks. The two argued about mob protocol, agreed that there is a difference between a racketeer and a gangster (a gangster is more vicious and violent) and disagreed over what has emerged as one of the central issues in the case.

Jacobs has referred repeatedly to a meeting at a North Jersey restaurant in May 2010 as a "social"

gathering, a description that also is used in at least one FBI report. Ligambi was one of 10 mobsters who had lunch at LaGriglia, a posh restaurant in Kenilworth, that May afternoon.

The government contends that the session was a meeting of the leaders of the Philadelphia mob and the Gambino crime family and has used conversations secretly recorded by a cooperating witness to build the conspiracy charge against Ligambi.

Jacobs has pointed out that none of the tapes include discussions about crimes being planned or scores being settled. Garcia conceded as much, but he said the meeting in and of itself -- given the attendees -- was a "RICO conspiracy."

"It was a very important meeting," Garcia said. It was, he added, two organized crime families engaged in "relationship building."

The jury has heard snippets of nearly two dozen conversations from meetings at LaGriglia and The American Bistro, a pub in Belleville.

On one tape, Ligambi brings up the D'Ambrosio issue in a joking way. He told those sharing lunch that D'Ambrosio's father "comes over my house about three or four years ago. Said the FBI said you was gonna kill my son. He was telling me this on the step. I said, `What the fuck you talkin' about? Don't ever come around this house again. I don't know what you're talking about.' I mean, that's the kind of nuts you're dealing with. You know what I mean?"

Ligambi's comment underscored a point that was one of the underlying themes in Jacobs' cross-examination.

As he did in Ligambi's first trial, which ended with a hung jury on the conspiracy count, Jacobs appears to be trying to draw a distinction between Ligambi and the mob bosses in Philadelphia who came before him.

At one point he ticked off 15 murders and attempted murders that were part of the racketeering case against Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo in 1988 and nine murders and attempted murders that were part of the 1995 case against John Stanfa.

"In this indictment," he asked Garcia, "there isn't a murder or an attempted murder, is there? Or a gun or a knife or a slap in the face?"

The defense has argued that the prosecution, desperate to make a case after a 12-year investigation turned up precious little, hung a racketeering conspiracy charge around what amounts to second rate gambling activity.

Garcia, responding with what has been the prosecution's theme, said that violence wasn't necessary during Ligambi's reign because the crime family's reputation -- built by Scarfo and Stanfa -- was already well established.

While the lawyer and the witness disagreed on several major issues, there was consensus when they discussed food. Jacobs said that mobsters often meet for breakfast, lunch, dinner and "late night snacks" and asked Garcia if, during the two and one-half years he worked undercover as an associate of Gambino crime family capo Greg DePalma, that was the normal routine.

Garcia said it was.

"In fact," Jacobs said, "you gained 90 pounds in those two and one-half years."


"Yes, I did," the 300-pound ex-agent said with a smile, adding that he has been unable to shed the weight.

Later, when a discussion turned to antipasto, Jacobs and Garcia again shared a laugh. Earlier in his testimony Garcia, who was born in Cuba, said he had to study Siclian food and culture when he posed as a Jack Falcone, a supposed Sicilian, to get close to DePalma.

"You know something about antipasto, then? " Jacobs asked.

"I've had my share of antipasto," Garcia responded.

"You've had everybody's share," said Jacobs.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/mob-jury-gets-history-lesson.html#RgY8EDOg7vGuCfbH.99



That was the whole article at the time I posted it. That's exactly what was on the site. Somebody asked for it so I posted it, don't break my balls.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 05:03 PM

Originally Posted By: jmack
That was the whole article at the time I posted it. That's exactly what was on the site. Somebody asked for it so I posted it, don't break my balls.

Yeah...whoever posted it for Anastasia on his Big Trial Site only posted part of it originally. About a half hour later they put up the rest of the article. I was going to post the rest but JMack gave the link which said to read more go to the url. Probably an intern over there....no big deal.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 06:44 PM

I see where these boards have been getting ''testy'' lately.I don't see what the big deal was about posting pictures on here.I mean if we say the wrong thing will there be a knock at the door.We live in a day and age where everybody is watching.the way Vegas Mikey was describing Stevie Mazzone I was like he's got to have more on his mind than that.When I look at someone's picture I go ''oh ok and move on''I have never ever in my life looked at someone else's girlfriend or wife and started with the wow she's this or she's that.Mazzone seems like an all-right guy.Sometimes after reading or hearing about somebody so long you almost want to match up a picture,your just curious.But then you look at the picture and move on,that's the way I see it.I hope it doesn't get to the point where your afraid to express your opinion for fear of backlash.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 06:56 PM

Just my opinion...but to me the guys are fair game, but the family shots make me cringe a little especially the ones with their young kids. I don't know...you guys do what you want.

To me Natalie seemed genuinely upset and i honestly felt bad about posting her pic. It was a mistake on my part, i shouldn't have posted it.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 07:49 PM

Of course its not neccesary to see the kids,everybody got carried away on that one.There's that one picture or video whatever you want to call it on Mob Talk that shows Mazzone and either his wife or GF walking to the courthouse.No big deal.That's the way it is today.With the stars its paparazzi,if you get crazy everytime you'll end up like Alec Baldwin.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 07:58 PM

Well sure...Mazzone and his GF or wife were coming out of the courthouse in that video. Thats totally fair game in my view. It's the personal family pics that i think people should think twice about posting.

Like the one with Natalie at her brothers trial with Ligambi and Staino....that one was ok to post but it's the personal stuff on FB or other sites that i think we should try to stay away from posting.

Just my opinion though...like i said you guys do what you want.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 10:27 PM

I apologize, I keep forgetting Bigtrial.net is always full of errors Lol. Btw, are people besides family members and journalists allowed in the trial?
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 10:53 PM

Yes they are - you just need to wait in line if needed - they ha some legal students going earlier
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/22/13 11:42 PM

Bent Finger Lou Back On The Stand
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


Now it's personal.

When Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello took the witness stand this afternoon in the racketeering conspiracy trial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew, George Borgesi, the tone of the three-week-old trial shifted.

This was no longer an expert gambling witness or a beleaguered bar owner with a poker machine or an FBI agent interpreting secretly recorded conversations. This was Borgesi's one-time friend and, if the government is to believed, his chief partner in crime.

Monacello and Borgesi go back 30 years. They know a lot about one another. And much of it will get laid out for the jury. As he did at the first trial, Monacello, 47, began to paint a verbal portrait of his underworld involvement with both defendants.

It is not a pretty picture.

He identified Ligambi, 74, as the kingpin of the local crime family.

"Joe Ligambi told me on several occasions, "'I'm the boss,'" Monacello said, affecting a belligerent tone as he repeated the phrase. "`I'm the boss.'"

But it was his description of Borgesi, 50, that offered the most detailed and the most troubling personal insights.

Borgesi, he said, bragged about being a "gangster" and claimed to have been involved in 11 murders. "I'm a professional," he said Borgesi told him.

Describing himself as an enforcer for the mob capo, he told the jury how he had assaulted a contractor who ran afoul of the organization; how he used a baseball bat to split on the head of a member of the 10th and Oregon gang and how he took a group of 12 to 15 men to a bar in Delaware County to intimidate two bookmakers who were scheduled to testify in a 2001 mob trial.

All of that, he said, was carried out on Borgesi's orders.

Dressed in a gray, pinstriped suit, white shirt and tie, Monacello was focused, but decidedly less arrogant as he retold the same stories he had provided in the first trial that ended earlier this year with a hung jury on the conspiracy charge that Ligambi and Borgesi are again fighting.

He said he met Borgesi when Borgesi was 17 and he was 14. He said he became a member of his mob crew about 10 years later and handled bookmaking, loansharking and extortion. He also said he and Borgesi would steal cars together in collaboration with an auto body shop operator who used to make copies of customers' car keys and give them to Borgesi.

Being part of organized crime, Monacello told the jury, was "a license to steal."

"You could stick your hand in anybody's pocket," he said Borgesi told him.

He called Borgesi a "maniac" and a killer who others referred to as "The Fireman."

"Wherever he went, he started fires," Monacello explained. "He caused trouble."

Authorities allege that after Borgesi was jailed on racketeering charges in 2000, Monacello ran his gambling and loansharking operation. Borgesi was convicted in 2001 in that unrelated racketeering case land sentencted to 14 years in prison. The conspiracy charge in the current case is built largely around the allegation that, from prison, Borgesi was continued to operate in the underworld.

Monacello, authorities allege, was Borgesi's street-level operative.

The defense, as it did in the first trial, is expected to argue that Monacello used Borgesi' name and reputation to enhance his own money-making underworld schemes and that Borgesi was unaware of what was going on.

The jury in the first trial acquitted Borgesi of 13 counts of gambling and loansharking that were based primarily on Monacello's testimony. But it hung on a final conspiracy charge, resulting in the retrial that began earlier this month.

Whether Monacello's story plays differently with the current jury could determine Borgesi's fate. Unlike Ligambi, who faces charges built around testimony and secretly recorded conversations, Borgesi's case revolves around Monacello and another government informant, Anthony Aponick, who is expected to testify within the next two weeks.

Monacello spent about two hours on the witness stand and is due back when the trial resumes Monday.

Borgesi, he said, used violence, fear and intimidation to get his way in the underworld and with his associates. "If he found out you were lying to him and making money behind his back, he would beat you up or kill ya." Monacello said. "He was known as a gangster and a very dangerous person."

Prosecutors reinforced that point by questioning Monacello at length about instances when Borgesi assaulted Angelo Lutz, another crime family associate. As he had in the first trial, Monacello described one incident in which, he said, Borgesi split Lutz' head open with the metal rod from an artificial Christmas tree while threatening to kill Lutz in a dispute over money.

Lutz, Monacello said, had forged a check and stolen $4,000 from a company Lutz and Borgesi ran at the time.

Monacello cited three other instances when, he said, Borgesi assaulted the then 5-foot-4, 400-pound mob associate, including one incident where, Monacello said, Borgesi bit Lutz in the forehead and spit his skin out on the sidewalk.

The prosecutor is expected to play a now infamous tape -- played at the racketeering trial in 2001 and again at the first trial in this case -- is which Borgesi is heard on a wiretapped phone laughing and cackling about how he had pummeled Lutz, knocking him out. That incident was separate from the ones described by Monacello today.

In an even more personal note, Moncello talked at length about how he was first ordered by Borgesi to funnel money to Borgesi's wife, Dina, after Borgesi was jailed in 2000. About 18 months later, he said, Borgesi from prison told him the money should go to his then girlfriend Alyson.

"She was his commare," Monacello said. "His girlfriend on the side."

Borgesi divorced his first wife in 2004, Monacello said. And, from prison, married Alyson who has been in the courtroom every day during the trial.

Borgesi showed little reaction to Monacello, but occasionally commented to his lawyer, Christoper Warren seated next to him at the defense table. The defense is expected to attack Monacello in detail when cross-examination begins.

Borgesi, in comments, emails and messages to friends, has been referring to Monacello as "Rat Finger Lou" and "Fuck Finger Lou."

But if this jury buys the story that Monacello is selling, it will be Borgesi who gets the finger.

George Anastasia can be contacted at George@bigtrial.net.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Yes they are - you just need to wait in line if needed - they ha some legal students going earlier


thanks man. next time I have a day off from school I will try to make it.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 01:16 AM

Originally Posted By: NightOwl
Uncle Joe and George Borgeri were acquitted today after new counsel A. Saul Cohen Dropped his pants and sucked the judges dick!!!
Originally Posted By: NightOwl
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Guys I agree completely but I'm just telling you, he is going to go insane with rage if he sees this. I was so shocked when I saw them I was going to bring it to his attention (not a brag), but I honestly don't wanna deal with the backlash. To call this guy fired up is an understatement, the pics should probably be removed. I have nothing to do with this, just bringing it to someone's attention the pics of his family should be removed.

I agree with you Mikey...i was going to say something about it yesterday but didn't because people will say i did the same thing.



But it was a mistake on my part posting the ones i did and i really think it's a mistake now to post any family shots and especially the ones with any kids.



GIANCARLO/KEVLAR YOUR A FUCKING COWARD PIECE OF SHIT YOU FUCKING FAT PIG HOW MANY BAGS OF CHIPS YOU EAT TODAY WHEN LOOKING UP PEOPLES PHONE RECORDS AND JERKING OFF YOUR LITTLE 2" DICK

The return of Dicknose!!...again lol
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 03:18 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
I see where these boards have been getting ''testy'' lately.I don't see what the big deal was about posting pictures on here.I mean if we say the wrong thing will there be a knock at the door.We live in a day and age where everybody is watching.the way Vegas Mikey was describing Stevie Mazzone I was like he's got to have more on his mind than that.When I look at someone's picture I go ''oh ok and move on''I have never ever in my life looked at someone else's girlfriend or wife and started with the wow she's this or she's that.Mazzone seems like an all-right guy.Sometimes after reading or hearing about somebody so long you almost want to match up a picture,your just curious.But then you look at the picture and move on,that's the way I see it.I hope it doesn't get to the point where your afraid to express your opinion for fear of backlash.


I understand completely and I agree with most of your attitudes that the pics are public info or whatever. That being said I know a lot of people close to these guys and a woman who has had some romantic involvement with certain people who I can't name because I would be exposing myself. Steve is a great guy honestly not the animal most people would assume he is, that being said he is also a major hot head maniac who would completely lose his shit if he knew some mafia watchers were looking at pictures of his young daughter in a bikini on the internet. I mean I'm not trying to be dramatic here but I do live in close proximity to these people and they are definitely dangerous and would not hesitate to throw someone a serious beating for something involving their family. I mean is that so hard to understand? I didn't post the pics and I don't care, I'm just saying maybe having pics stolen from Facebook with someone's minor age children showcased on a message board is not the best idea. I'm done tho like I said I didn't post them not my problem my involvement ends here.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 04:45 PM

I hear you Vegas Mikey,like I said before kids are off limits,I agree totally no matter whose kid it is.I'm glad I'm internet illerate because I don't even know how to post articles further yet pictures.These guys are no different than anybody else when it comes to protecting their family,most anybody would give somebody a serious beating for that not just these guys.
Posted By: littlemango

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 06:22 PM

that garcia agent always struck me as an obnoxious dude
Posted By: littlemango

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 06:27 PM

this part just kills me
"Jacobs has pointed out that none of the tapes include discussions about crimes being planned or scores being settled. Garcia conceded as much, but he said the meeting in and of itself -- given the attendees -- was a "RICO conspiracy."

"It was a very important meeting," Garcia said. It was, he added, two organized crime families engaged in "relationship building."

they'll arrest anybody for anything, won't they.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 07:15 PM

Ex-mobster talks of blood, gore

TESTIMONY in the federal racketeering retrial of reputed Philadelphia mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi, an alleged mob captain, had been somewhat dry until yesterday afternoon.

But that's when star witness Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello, a former associate of Philadelphia's mob family, regaled jurors with past tales of blood and gore.

There was the time in the mid-1990s when Borgesi's brother, Anthony, was having a bachelor party at a South Philly restaurant. Another mob associate, Angelo Lutz, took care of the room setup, but with 20 to 30 guys, it was crowded, Monacello said.

Because of that, George Borgesi "bites a chunk of skin out of his [Lutz's] forehead and makes Angelo pick up the check," Monacello told jurors.

Another time, Borgesi brought Lutz to Monacello's home and in the basement, Borgesi "throws Angelo up against the wall" and yells, "Tell me about the checks you forged!" Monacello recalled. Borgesi then swiped a rod from a fake Christmas tree and "splits Angelo's head open," seriously wounding him.
Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, aren't facing any counts of homicide or assault. The indictment against them focuses on sports betting, loan-sharking, extortion and the operation of video-poker machines. The main charge they face is RICO (racketeering) conspiracy. The feds are looking to prove that Ligambi and Borgesi conspired with others to commit crimes.

Monacello, 47, a South Philly guy, befriended Borgesi when the two were teens. He eventually got into sports betting and became an associate of Borgesi's crew. They were close friends for 30 years until their arrest in 2011 under the current indictment, and Monacello then became a cooperating government witness.

Monacello said Borgesi had been promoted to captain, and Ligambi "told me on several occasions, 'I'm the boss of the mob.' "

Under questioning by Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han, Monacello focused mostly on Borgesi - how he used violence or the threat of violence to collect money or to get revenge on a rival.

"He was a feared guy," Monacello said of Borgesi.

Once, in the late 1990s, the two were riding in a car in South Philly and talking about someone who was recently killed when Borgesi turned the radio volume up high, flashed his hands twice and boasted: "Eleven murders. Me. I did it. I'm responsible. I'm a professional," Monacello said.

(Borgesi has never been convicted of murder.)

Monacello also admitted to participating in violence himself, saying it was under Borgesi's orders. Around 1998, Borgesi wanted revenge on a man who had gotten the better of him during a fight.

Monacello said he and others waited outside the man's South Philly house and surprised him when he was walking his dog. Wearing a ski mask and wielding a baseball bat, Monacello said he "swung all my might and split [the man's] head," injuring him.

Asked about his nickname, Monacello showed jurors his right hand with its bent index finger. The result of "a fight," he said.

Monacello resumes his testimony Monday.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131124_Ex-mobster_talks_of_blood__gore.html#DloMIp3Rldt6iokZ.99
Posted By: littlemango

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 07:23 PM

why are they not charged in the indictment with these assaults? If not, why are these allegations being allow into evidence through testimony? Seems prejudicial
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 07:44 PM

Lol, borgesi treated lutz like tony treated that bartender in the sopranos.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 11:07 PM

On philly.com nobody could understand why they just don't put Lutz on the stand to substanciate this.Are you kidding me? Lutz would deny everything and say Borgesi has a heart of gold.He's scared out of his mind.He's done with all that and its not worth it to have to look over his shoulder forever.I would be curious to see if Borgesi was freed how he would handle Bent Lou.I can't see him saying its not worth it.I think that will be interesting.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/23/13 11:40 PM

Bent finger just comes across like a douchebag - id be surprised if this doesn't catch up with him - if nicodemo was out , he would be watching his back a lot more
Posted By: tjonezee

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/24/13 05:32 AM

Interesting to read about the mention of D'Ambrosia and him having a deli near Ligambis house. I thought he retreated to North Jersey years ago. Wonder how he pulled off his "pass"?

On a side note. John Stanfa's sons place "Joey Giusepps" is now closed. Drove by it the other day and saw the for sale sign up. It's the old warfield and wharton lunchenette where joey chang jr was shot. All the reviews were great, but I guess the mystique wore off.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/25/13 12:46 PM

Haha thats funny as hell. He probably did and I cant even imagine all the shit Borgesi and the rest of them probably put Lutz through over the years..... and that bartender would make me laugh every episode he was in because he was so dumb and Tony would just snap on him out of nowhere lol
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/25/13 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By: littlemango
why are they not charged in the indictment with these assaults? If not, why are these allegations being allow into evidence through testimony? Seems prejudicial


I'm not in the legal field but I would assume that the statue of limitations is up on the assault considering it took place in the 90's. If you ask me the whole racketeering conspiracy charge is highly prejudicial. Evidence gets introduced all the time that has nothing to do with the current charges, but has to do with the "criminal enterprise" instead. Hell, they brought up the Bruno murder at this trial. That hit took place before I was born (and I'm 31). That said, the current mob lives off of that reputation to collect so I certainly don't feel sorry for them.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/25/13 06:12 PM

Generally, Federal and local prosecutors will employ a shotgun theory when charging defendants (throw as many charges at the defendants as possible and see what sticks). This is especially true of mob defendants. If the assaults could be proven, and had not expired within the statute of limitations, they would be included in the docket. Especially because there was no violent acts included in the original Ligambi and Co. charges 3 years ago. If US Atty. Han could have included an assault (even against Lutz), he would have. If nothing else, he takes the soundbite of "there is no violence here" from Mr. Jacobs' arsenal.

On the other hand, charging 1 mob member (associate at that time maybe? Doesn't matter) with assaulting another mob associate, based on a third mob associate's testimony seems like bad policy.

Just my opinion, I'm not an atty yet.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 12:00 AM

Bigtrial.net posted today's trial info .. Sorry don't know how to post but courts in recess until Monday ...
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 12:02 AM

I agree about Lou being a douchebag, but I'm thinking his bigger worry would be somebody like Mikey Lance, not Nicodemo. Not to talk out of school but I think Nicodemo's days of worrying anybody are long gone. That guy's either gonna do a life stint or become a cooperator, no other options. Then there's his buddy, little Dominic ...
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 12:06 AM

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

To hear Louie Monacello tell it, his 20 years of dealing with the Philadelphia mob were part Godfather and part Family Feud.

On the witness stand for a second day in the racketeering retrial of mob boss "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and Ligambi's nephew George Borgesi, Monacello continued to offer the jury a picture of organized crime built around fear, violence, threats and extortion.

But he also spent much of today deconstructing the Ligambi-Borgesi family, portraying the gangsters as part of a dysfunctional family where greed and power trumped bloodlines and loyalty.

"Don't be fooled," he told the jury. "Him and his uncle were always at odds. They can't stand each other."


Described by authorities as a top associate who was chosen by Borgesi to run his gambling and loansharking operations in 2000 after Borgesi was jailed in an unrelated racketeering case, Monacello, 47, said he constantly found himself caught in the middle.

And, he added, the tension heightened when Anthony Borgesi, George's brother, began to undermine him with both his brother and his uncle.

"I always had problems with the brother because he felt he had been passed over when George Borgesi chose me to run things," Monacello said. He then recounted a conversation he had had with Borgesi in prison where Borgesi was serving a 14-year sentence following his conviction in 2001 on racketeering.

Moncello said he visited Borgesi about twice a year and that the visits included conversations about the gambling and loansharking businesses. He said Borgesi also called him from prison, but that those conversations were often in coded language because the phone calls were monitored and tape-recorded by prison officials. Finally, he said, Borgesi passed information on to him through his wife Alyson.

During a prison visit, he said, Borgesi told him what he already knew, that his brother Anthony "was jealous of me." He said Borgesi described his brother as "an incompetent, an idiot" who "was not capable of making money legally or illegally."

And making money, Monacello said, was what the mob was all about. He told the jury that he ran sports betting and loansharking operations for Borgesi in Philadelphia and Delaware County while Borgesi was serving his federal prison sentence. And he estimated that at one point he was providing Borgesi with $3,000-a-month. He gave the cash to Alyson Borgesi each month, usually by leaving an envelope stuffed with cash in the glove compartment of her car.

The payoff came after a coded phone conversation in which he would ask her what days she was working in a given week. On those days, he said, she would leave her car door unlocked and parked outside the office where she worked. He would circle the block several times to be sure he wasn't being followed or surveilled. He then would approach the car, open the door, place the envelope in the glove compartment and lock the door as he left.

On one secretly recorded conversation, Monacello is heard referring to Alyson Borgesi as "Alyson Corleone." Asked by Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han what he meant by that, Monacello said "for a female she got involved in a lot of mob business...Her husband was constantly calling her for prison" and using her to relay messages to him and others.

Family dynamics and money were recurring themes throughout the day-long testimony.

Monacello said Borgesi, 50, told him repeatedly not to tell his uncle what kind of business he was conducting or how much money he was making. Ligambi, 74, showed little reaction to any of the testimony. Borgesi occasionally whispered in his lawyer's ear and at the end of the day, after the jury had left the courtroom, he boldly predicted that defense attorneys would destroy Monacello during cross-examination.

The comment was in keeping with the picture of Borgesi that has emerged during the trial -- a wiseguy who has to have the last word and who cannot keep his mouth shut, even when he is talking on a prison phone that he knows is being tapped.

"George Borgesi said, `Don't tell my uncle,'" Monacello said after detailing a loansharking operation he had set up in Delaware County with Nicholas "Nicky the Hat" Cimino, another mob associate who was funneling money through Monacello to Borgesi.

Later the prosecution played a taped phone conversation from prison in which Borgesi repeated that admonition.

"Don't tell people your business," Borgesi said on the tape. "I know for a fact...everyone wants to score points...From here on out, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing...I just wish all this stuff would go the fuck away....And don't tell no one that I called ya."

That, Monacello said, was an example of the treachery and deceit that were daily occurrences within the crime family. At another point, he said, Ligambi complained about Borgesi's "big mouth" and inability to keep his own counsel. As soon as he walks about of prison, "they're gonna put the cuffs back on him," he said Ligambi said of his nephew's inability to keep quiet.

And then, he said, Ligambi told him, "I hope he gets a hundred years."

"He just can't control himself," Monacello said of Borgesi's constant badgering and questioning. He said he was reluctant to visit Borgesi in prison because he knew Borgesi was being closely watched.

"I wasn't even on the radar then," Monacello said, explaining that his role as a top Borgesi's associate was not well know. But, he said, Borgesi insisted he come to the prison.

"Don't worry about it," he said Borgesi told him. "It's bullshit. It's bullshit."

With that, Monacello paused, looked at the jury, then looked at Borgesi.

"It's not bullshit," he said, spreading his arms wide. "Where are we?"

Monacello said there was constant friction within the organization and that "people were constantly telling him (George Borgesi) things to make me look bad." Anthony Borgesi was the biggest offender, he said, adding that the younger brother often played his uncle against his brother, sharing information with both and "causing trouble."

Anthony Borgesi. who has been at the trial nearly every day since it began three weeks ago, was not in the courtroom today. Nor was he present on Friday when Monacello first took the stand and began to mention his role in the organization.

One mob associate who did show up unexpectedly for today's session was Angelo Lutz, now a successful restaurateur in nearby a Collingswood, NJ. Monacello had testified in gruesome detail on Friday about instances where Borgesi had abused and assaulted the 5-foot-4, 400-pouund Lutz, threatening to kill him, splitting his head open with a rod from an artificial Christmas tree, biting him in the forehead and smacking him in the face with a blackjack.

Lutz, who was convicted with Borgesi, Joey Merlino and several others in the 2001 racketgeering case, said little as he came and left the courtroom. He spent the day seated by Alyson Borgesi and Borgesi's mother Manny, ironically the spot usually occupied by the tough-talking Anthony Borgesi who was a no-show. When Lutz, 50, was referred to on another tape played for the jury today, Monacello pointed him out.

"He's sitting right there," the witness told the jury, pointing to Lutz.

Lutz smiled and casually waved at the defendant.

Monacello is expected to conclude his direct testimony when the trail resumes on Monday, Dec. 2, Court will be in recess for the Thanksgiving holiday until then. He will then face what is expected to be a lengthy and grueling cross-examination in which the defense will allege, among other things, that he has fabricated much of his testimony and that he was using Borgesi's name to enhance and expand his own criminal operations.

Before the session ended today, Monacello recounted several disputes he had had with mob capo Marty Angelina over money and gambling operations and acknowledged that he had considering killing Angelina, but settled on a plan to have him badly beaten.

That plot was detailed to Frank "Frankie the Fixer" DiGiacomo, an underworld associate who had secretly begun cooperating with the Pennsylvania State Police in 2007. The assault never took place, but Monacello was tapped making two $1,000 payments to DiGiacomo who claimed he had hired two thugs who brutally beat Angelina.

Several other DiGiacomo tapes, including a conversation in which Monacello and DiGiacomo met with Ligambi to discuss a disputed loansharking debt, were played for the jury. It was during that conversation, recorded on May 21, 2008, where Ligambi joked about George Borgesi's big mouth and how he would be "cuffed" again as soon as he got out of prison.

Borgesi, in fact, never made it out of prison. He was finishing his 14-year sentence in May 2011 when he, Ligambi, Monacello and nearly a dozen others were indicted in the current racketeering case. Monacello cut a deal and began cooperating with the government two months later.

Monacello testified at the first trial in which Borgesi was acquitted of 13 gambling and loansharking charges. The jury, however, hung on the conspiracy count against Borgesi and Ligambi, resulting in the retrial. Four other defendants were convicted. One was acquitted.

At the close of his testimony today, Monacello said he never intended to be a cooperator. He said when he was arrested in the Delaware County investigation in 2008, he turned down offers by the State Police to cooperate and was sentenced to 23 months in prison.

But when the federal indictment came in 2011, he had a change of heart. The reason, he said, was the lack of honor and loyalty that he had seen first hand and that he felt had put his life in jeopardy.

'I don't believe in cooperating," he told the jury as the trial wrapped up for the day. "The only reason I'm sitting here (in the witness stand) and not there (pointing to the defense table) is because they were going to kill me."

Monacello is expected to expand on that story when the trial resumes. At the first trial he said his dispute with Angelina and his decision to assault a "made" member of the organization was tantamount to a death sentence. And, he said, he believed Ligambi intended to have Borgesi carry out that sentence.

George Anastasia can be contacted at George@bigtrial.net.
Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/11/witness-depicts-uncle-joes.html#DTfkhvli6PAAl5VL.99
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 12:21 AM

Agree LD ; young DG could be in the hot seat if Nico flips , I'm sure they already have heat on him..but everything I'm reading is they think Nico will accept what he gets. Lance seems like he's enjoying the low key status - from what I hear Bent Finger is in the open down the jersey shore..
Personally I think 2014 could get real interesting in south philly
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 05:01 PM

Does anyone know why Lou turned states? Wasn't he looking at like 2 years?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Does anyone know why Lou turned states? Wasn't he looking at like 2 years?


This is from the article above where lou explains why he decided to testify-


At the close of his testimony today, Monacello said he never intended to be a cooperator. He said when he was arrested in the Delaware County investigation in 2008, he turned down offers by the State Police to cooperate and was sentenced to 23 months in prison.

But when the federal indictment came in 2011, he had a change of heart. The reason, he said, was the lack of honor and loyalty that he had seen first hand and that he felt had put his life in jeopardy.

'I don't believe in cooperating," he told the jury as the trial wrapped up for the day. "The only reason I'm sitting here (in the witness stand) and not there (pointing to the defense table) is because they were going to kill me."

Monacello is expected to expand on that story when the trial resumes. At the first trial he said his dispute with Angelina and his decision to assault a "made" member of the organization was tantamount to a death sentence. And, he said, he believed Ligambi intended to have Borgesi carry out that sentence.
Posted By: mike68

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 05:19 PM

Sounds like he had the sneaky suspicion that his job was going to be 'terminated'.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 05:37 PM

I think he was looking at 2 for the delco gambling pinch but with this one he could have gotten more with the rest of them ... either way I think he knew he was in trouble
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 05:42 PM

My bad Dellacroce… didn't see your article post from big trial. Ya man but I don't know… I mean it just doesn't seem like Ligambi's style to have Lou whacked out. Not to mention having Borgesi get to Lou IN PRISON when he's due out so soon/ has been away so long. Plus, from what the word is out on the street… Georgie isn't exactly Tommy Pitera in the first place.

Personally, the context clues tell me that it was the extra years they might tack onto his sentence from the RICO. I bet he's kicking himself now that most everyone walked in this colossal waste of time.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 06:01 PM

I don't know if there is a right way to testify but it seems like certain guys like Ralph Natale and now Monacello use this time to lash out,without worrying about interruptions and so on.Its like you know your done but your going to belittle and take free shots at the defendants.This is why the first jury probably didn't believe Monacello,now he's doing it again.Natale was the same way,literally holding court while in court.Monacello is bad-mouthing Borgesi telling the jury how he used Lutz as a punching bag and who appears in court smiling sitting with the enemy[Borgesi's family] is non other than Angelo Lutz.I guess John Veasey was a good witness because he came off probably almost comical and they [jury] believed him.At firast I thought Borgesi and Uncle Joe would lose now I don't know.
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 06:15 PM

he may have been charged with racketeering conspiracy and he would have gotten a lot of time
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 07:31 PM

from what I heard, Monacello was more pissed at Borgesi for not "having his back" in the dispute with Marty Angelina. The way he tells it, he (Monacello) supported Borgesi for 7 years while borgesi was locked up and instead of Borgesi standing up for him he sent word to Monacello that he (Monacello) was in big trouble for planning to lump up Marty. I guess it all comes down to a sense of betrayal. Sounds goofy but I guess you never know what's going through a guys' mind. That and the fact that uncle Joe had his hands deep in his pockets.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 08:15 PM

not a great look for the prosecutor with Lutz chilling with the family...definitely was planned by Ligambi and them....day after Monacello brought all that shir up

deja vu all over again with this trail

tell you what...guilty or not, i just do not believe it was worth all this money for two trials and a 10 yr long investigation for what amounts to be about bookmaking and joker poker...its laughable
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 08:51 PM

How did Philadelphia's consigliere while in jail for 13 years be involved in a racketeering conspiracy?

GEORGE BORGESI'S defense boils down to a simple question:

If he's been imprisoned and under constant surveillance for the past 13 years, how could the onetime Philly mob consigliere simultaneously be involved in a long-running racketeering conspiracy, as prosecutors claim?

The government's star witness, mob turncoat Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello, claims to have the answer. He attempted yesterday to explain it to a jury - again - during the retrial of Borgesi and Borgesi's uncle, reputed mob boss Joseph Ligambi.

Decked out in a dark three-piece suit with his black hair slicked back, the Andy Garcia wannabe answered prosecutor John Han's questions without the braggadocio that may have marred his credibility in the first trial.

Monacello, 47, a former mob associate, testified that he was Borgesi's man on the street for years, collecting gambling and loan-sharking proceeds and funneling them to Borgesi while he was doing time on a 2001 racketeering conviction.

"He wants things done yesterday," Monacello said, adding that Borgesi, 50, would "relentlessly hound me" from prison to handle mob activities.

"He's a gangster until he dies," Monacello said.

Monacello said he would pay Borgesi through Borgesi's now-wife Alyson by putting money in the glove compartment of her car. "Ninety-nine percent of the time, that's the way we did it," he said. Asked if Alyson knew where the money was coming from, Monacello said, "She knew exactly where it was coming from."

At one point yesterday, Alyson Borgesi muttered "fuckin' liar" while Monacello was testifying.

The jury heard a December 2003 recorded phone conversation between Borgesi, who was in a federal prison in West Virginia, and Monacello, who was enjoying mussels and wine at Ralph's Italian Restaurant at 9th and Catharine streets. They spoke in code and discussed mob business, Monacello said.

"He's a narcissistic sociopath with delusions of grandeur," Borgesi's mother, Manny, said of Monacello. She questioned whether his unusually calm demeanor was pharmaceutically assisted.

As for Ligambi, Monacello said "Uncle Joe" ran the Philadelphia faction of La Cosa Nostra and had the final say on all mob-related decisions.

"Joe's the boss," Monacello said. "He calls the shots."

Ligambi, 74, who has been held without bail since May 2011, maintained the uncanny ability to take the federal-racketeering indictment in stride.

As court adjourned yesterday, Ligambi wished his relatives a happy Thanksgiving, then turned to Alyson Borgesi and Angelo Lutz, a chef and ex-mob associate, and asked them a question out of earshot of the prosecutors.

"Who makes a better gravy?" he asked. "Be honest."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201311...V62K3oX0yZ4W.99
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 09:50 PM

Your right Cheech what a set-up that was no coincidence that Lutz was there.If and when Georgie Boy gets out I think all hell is going to break loose.He[Borgesi] won't be able to control himself.You can say what you want this war,that war,go after the real criminals,the molestors,the dealers BUT if the feds have a shot at putting Georgie away they will spend and justify and do whatever it takes and turn a blind eye to everything else.Thats the hard-on they have for him.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/26/13 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
what a set-up that was no coincidence that Lutz was there.If and when Georgie Boy gets out I think all hell is going to break loose.He[Borgesi] won't be able to control himself.


Doesn't bringing Lutz in to sit with the Ligambi/ Borgesi supporters represent him doing a favor to the defendants? Showing Lou is a liar, and iIf anything wouldn't that do the opposite of stirring the pot and squash any stale beef Georgie might have with Angelo?

Or do you mean that if Georgie gets off he's gonna fuck up again?
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 08:13 AM

Yeah I mean if georgie gets off I just can't see him giving Monacello a pass.Anybody that had anything to do with him going away,you know he's not going to let that go.Lutz is harmless,forget that,you know he's going to want a bigger piece of the pie and if Ligambi gets off obviously I doubt he can leap frog him but if ligambi doesn't get out I'd say Philip Narducci would move right in.Either way do you think Borgesi going to work a 9-5 job and spend weekends at the zoo or shopping at home depot.Just my opinion.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 11:02 AM

22 - thinking if uncle joe gets off he asks and gets shelved ; lots of rumors of Stevie at the top , how do he and Narducci get along , borgesi would be aligned with Stevie and lance and the rest of that crew but question is how much respect do they show Phil .. Stevie has a big crew so would,be tough to take him down.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 01:48 PM

Originally Posted By: cheech
tell you what...guilty or not, i just do not believe it was worth all this money for two trials and a 10 yr long investigation for what amounts to be about bookmaking and joker poker...its laughable


Agreed Cheech.

But in the words of Tony's Lawyer in the Soprano's "The feds are a business, Anthony. Millions of tax dollars invested in watching your ass. Sooner or later, just like you, they're going to want a return on that investment."
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 02:01 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: cheech
tell you what...guilty or not, i just do not believe it was worth all this money for two trials and a 10 yr long investigation for what amounts to be about bookmaking and joker poker...its laughable


Agreed Cheech.

But in the words of Tony's Lawyer in the Soprano's "The feds are a business, Anthony. Millions of tax dollars invested in watching your ass. Sooner or later, just like you, they're going to want a return on that investment."


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Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 05:58 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
Either way do you think Borgesi going to work a 9-5 job and spend weekends at the zoo or shopping at home depot.Just my opinion.


No, I don't expect him to go legit. But just cause he's earning again doesn't mean he's gonna whack out Lou. I mean there's fresh out of prison and then there's Richie Aprile fresh out of prison.

But ya, I guess Georgie could be out-and-in again if he acts out too much. And he's gonna be under more heat than anyone. For some reason, that winner is the US Atty's favorite Philly Mob punching bag.
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 07:21 PM

for anyone who hasnt seen these..
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 07:22 PM

Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 07:57 PM

i'm bad with pictures is that Mikey Lance and whose the guy up front with the beard
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 07:58 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: cheech
tell you what...guilty or not, i just do not believe it was worth all this money for two trials and a 10 yr long investigation for what amounts to be about bookmaking and joker poker...its laughable


Agreed Cheech.

But in the words of Tony's Lawyer in the Soprano's "The feds are a business, Anthony. Millions of tax dollars invested in watching your ass. Sooner or later, just like you, they're going to want a return on that investment."


I agree Sonny, one of my favorite, if not my all time favorite quote from that show. Neil Mink was awesome. Check out my signature.
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 08:18 PM

the bald guy is phil narducci i dont know the others
Posted By: tjonezee

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 09:02 PM

Cool pics. Prob been 30 years since the last public pic of Narducci. Is Frank Narducci active anymore? He's out and about, no? Also, we hear alot about the Scarfo guys getting out and back involved in things, but besides Phil Narducci and Joe Grande, have any of them ried to reestablsih themselves?
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 09:49 PM

i know the narduccis own that bar that they are at i forgot the name its next to mad river in old city near 2nd and market i think
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 10:07 PM

Originally Posted By: TheChickenMan
i know the narduccis own that bar that they are at i forgot the name its next to mad river in old city near 2nd and market i think


Encore at 112
112 Chestnut St
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 10:16 PM

yeah thats it encore.. its actually not bad ive been there before i knew it was owned by the narduccis its next to 879 lounge right?
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 11:07 PM

Originally Posted By: TheChickenMan
yeah thats it encore.. its actually not bad ive been there before i knew it was owned by the narduccis its next to 879 lounge right?


yeah
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/27/13 11:49 PM

pimp lol
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/28/13 03:21 AM

Whoa,never would have guessed that was Phil Narducci,nothing wrong just so different than those 25 years ago pictures.The thought never entered my mind,just different than I expected.Great pictures though
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/28/13 05:28 AM

heres an article with phil and his nephew talking about encore.. http://www.southphillyreview.com/news/Ac...=1&showAll=
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/28/13 04:53 PM

I may be wrong but his nephew may be related to the baldino who got hit outside the Oregon diner in the early 90s...also I think his nephew may have been pinched in the Borgata bust with nicodemo
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/28/13 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
I may be wrong but his nephew may be related to the baldino who got hit outside the Oregon diner in the early 90s...also I think his nephew may have been pinched in the Borgata bust with nicodemo

Frank Baldino was hit outside the Melrose diner by Veasey not the Oregon
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/28/13 05:13 PM

they are related im not sure how the one picture has that micali guy that was busted in the borgata
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/28/13 05:29 PM

Sonny - yes you are right that's what I meant sometimes I confuse the two - I thought that was Micali in the pic .. Wonder if he's looking for the button these days
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/30/13 01:10 PM

Is that Phil narducci at encore?
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/30/13 01:13 PM

Great find
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/30/13 01:15 PM

any news on the two baldinos from the borgata case?
weren't they quite young? mid-20s?
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/30/13 02:12 PM

them two baldino kids got probation from the borgata thing i believe.. and i know the club is owned by there mom but one of the brothers has his own barber shop too i think.
Posted By: TheChickenMan

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/30/13 03:17 PM

yeah their mom is narduccis sister susan
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/30/13 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
them two baldino kids got probation from the borgata thing i believe.. and i know the club is owned by there mom but one of the brothers has his own barber shop too i think.


Yeah. One of them does, his barbershop is Hairs to your barber shop or something like that
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 11/30/13 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: TheChickenMan

Yes, thats definitely Andrew Micali (second from the right). He's on the PA Casino exclusion list now just like he is in NJ and Delaware too. I think Andrew might be the younger brother of Michael "Nippy" Micali who got hit back in the 1980's. Possibly cousins.

http://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/files/exclusion/Andrew_Micali.pdf

No idea who the guy with the shades on is.

Joe Baldino is in the second row on the far left. That guy on the far right next to Micali looks pretty familiar. I think he might be Joe's brother Frank Baldino but i'm not positive on that.

Both of the Baldino's are banned from PA casino's according to the state website. Ralph Abbruzzi is too.

Here's the PA Casino exclusion list

http://gamingcontrolboard.pa.gov/?p=173&list=photo
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/02/13 11:36 PM

MONDAY, DECEMBER 2, 2013

The Life And Times Of Bent Finger Lou
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello didn't deny that he was cheating on his first wife.

But the mob associate said his business partner, Jack Palermo, was out of line when he told Monacello's wife about it. So he pistol-whipped him, hitting him over the head with the butt of a revolver.

And when another associate lied about $50,000 in gambling debts that he had secretly run up on Monacello, the martial arts trained wiseguy said he "gave him a little kick in the head."

He also acknowledged that he coached three other associates to lie to a Delaware County grand jury that was investigating him in 2008. And that he once told another deadbeat gambler that if he didn't come up with the money he owed, he would be "dead."

Monacello, testifying for the third day in the retrial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi, spent most of his time on the witness stand today in a verbal sparring match with Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr.

It was the life and time of Bent Finger Lou, tales of assaults with baseball bats, gambling debts, extortions and shakedowns. The cross-examination is expected to continue when the trial resumes tomorrow.

Monacello, 47, occasionally showed the flashes of bravado and arrogance that were the hallmarks of his testimony during the first trial -- "I'll get back to you on that," he smugly told Jacobs in response to a question that he couldn't answer. But for the most part he was matter-of-fact in his answers and in many cases got to retell the same incriminating stories about the defendants that he had told during a day and a half of direct testimony that ended earlier today.

"These are things that go on in the mob, we're criminals remember?" Monacello said in response to one question from the defense attorney. At another point he said that he had "general authorization" from Borgesi to conduct his often violent business affairs.

This came after Jacobs cited one threat or assault after another that Monacello had admitted to and each time asked if Borgesi had given him permission.

When it came to collecting gambling or loansharking money -- which he testified repeatedly he shared with Borgesi -- Monacello said he had permission to "do what I had to do."

Monacello's testimony, while potentially damaging to Jacobs' client, is the linchpin of the government's case against Borgesi. Borgesi's attorney, Christopher Warren, is expected to launch an equally pointed and caustic cross-examination sometime tomorrow.

Jacobs both directly and indirectly challenged Monacello's story, implying repeatedly that Monacello was running his own gambling and loansharking ring and using Borgesi's name and Ligambi's name to enhance his position in the underworld.

But Monacello stuck to the same story he told earlier on direct examination, that he was a mob associate and "point man" for Borgesi on the streets after Borgesi was jailed in 2000 in an unrelated racketeering case. He said that after Borgesi was convicted in 2001 he funneled money to the mobster, usually through his wife.

Jacobs used a tape made by Frank "Frankie the Fixer" DiGiacomo in January 2008 to underscore the point that Monacello knew that he could give up Borgesi and Ligambi to get out from under his own criminal problems.

DiGiacomo, a member of Monacello's street crew, was cooperating with the Pennsylvania State Police at the time and wearing a body wire. In one conversation about a then ongoing Delaware County investigation being conducted by state authorities, Monacello told DiGiacomo that authorities will try to "box" him in, leveling charges against him and then pressuring him "to tell us what you were doing with Georgie and the other guy."

Monacello said that he was referring to Borgesi and Ligambi. He said he turned down offers to cooperate in that case and turned government witness only after he was arrested on federal charges in the current case in May 2011.

At that point, he said, he believed he had been marked for death by Ligambi because he had clashed with mob capo Martin Angelina and had plotted to have Angelina beaten,.

Throughout his testimony, Monacello has insisted that he was working for Borgesi and occasionally funneling money to Ligambi. And he said he had nown "for years" that law enforcement was interested in building another case against Borgesi who, he said on the same tape, the government "had a hot nut for."

"They want to keep Georgie in jail," he said.

While DiGiacomo testified as a government witness in the first trial, he is not listed as a prosecution witness this time. During the first trial his testimony largely undermined Monacello. He told the jury that Monacello conducted most of his underworld activities for his own benefit and he described Borgesi, Ligambi and other defendants in that first case as "good guys."

The defense has said it will call DiGiacomo as a witness if the prosecution does not.

Monacello took several verbal potshots at DiGiacomo today, claiming he "owed the world money" and was not a good witness. He admitted, however, that DiGiacomo had made incriminating tapes that resulted in his arrest and conviction in Delaware County.

Monacello pleaded guilty to racketeering conspiracy, gambling and perjury charges in the Delaware County case and pleaded guilty to plotting an assault on Angelina in a related case brought in Philadelphia. He was sentenced to a total of 23 months in prison and five years probation, serving a little less than seven months in jail.

In coaching DiGiacomo to lie to the grand jury, Monacello admitted that he told him "it's only perjury if you get caught" and also coached him to answer "I don't remember" or "I don't know" when he didn't want to answer a question.

Jacobs hammered at that point every time Monacello used that response to a question he posed.

Moncello also acknowledged that not every act of violence was on behalf of the mob. His assault on Palermo in the basement of Gavone's, a bar-restaurant Monacello had opened at 10th and Wolf Streets, was personal, he said.

Moncello said he was separated at the time and had begun going out with other women.

He said he was cheating on his wife, but not with some of the women Palermo had named.

"He had no right to do that," Monacello said.

He also testified that while he kicked Justin Nastasi in the face over a $50,000 gambling debt, he was just trying to scare him.

"It was a check kick," said Monacello, who said he had a black belt in a form of Korean martial arts. "If I had kicked him I would have knocked him out or broken his jaw."

Nastasi, he said, paid the debt, adding that he later learned Nastasi's family had remortgaged their home to provide the cash.

Jacobs also questioned him on several other debts and money transactions and went into detail about a $6,400 dispute between DiGiacomo and an Angelina associate. Monacello admitted that he coached DiGiacomo to lie to Ligambi about some of the details.

When Jacobs asked if lying to a mob boss might result in death, Monacello replied that DiGiacomo was "not going to get killed for this."

"Because it's not that kind of mob," said Jacobs, who has argued repeatedly that Ligambi is not like the violent mob bosses who ruled in the 1980s and 1990s. Monacello quickly replied, "It's not that kind of lie."

Jacobs and Monacello clashed again over the details of a $30,000 debt that Monacello said he and a business partner were owed. Ligambi and Angelina settled the debt, he said, by taking $11,000 for themselves. Jacobs raised questions about the $19,000 discrepancy, pointing out that this was hardly a loanshark debt since no interest and less than half the principal were paid.

But Monacello said he considered the $11,000 paid to Ligambi and Angelina "a shakedown...what you call an extortion."

"I lent the money," Monacello said. "It wasn't their loan."

Monacello also admitted under cross-examination that he didn't like Borgesi, Ligambi or Borgesi's brother Anthony.

"At this point I'm just glad I'm away from then," he said.

But you don't like them, Jacobs persisted.

"No," Monacello replied.

"And when you don't like someone, there are consequences," Jacobs replied.

The defense is expected to argue that while Monacello could use the butt of a gun, a baseball bat or a martial arts kick to settle scores on the street, once he cut his deal with the government, the only way he could impose consequences for those he disliked was from the witness stand.

The question for the jury is whether Monacello is using the truth or lies to impose those consequences

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/the-life-and-times-of-bent-finger-lou.html#FZi4zqL8VGBTzORZ.99
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/03/13 12:14 AM

Originally Posted By: cheech
And when another associate lied about $50,000 in gambling debts that he had secretly run up on Monacello, the martial arts trained wiseguy said he "gave him a little kick in the head."

"martial arts trained wiseguy"

Bent Finger must of been friends with that guy in that one photo with Borgesi. The guy that someone here said owned a karate studio. So Bent Finger was probably the person on the other side of Borgesi in the photo and the cops cropped him out of it just like someone here said.

Fucking Lou probably bought whatever belt he had from the karate studio owner. lol. I bet in reality Lou was a panzy.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/03/13 12:55 AM

monacello just wouldn't do it for me if I'm sitting on the jury stand .. They will prove this guy lies and just wants to get back at Georgie and Joe like they did in the first trial and if they call digiacomo that will only help the defense case .. If they have any doubt about the payments into the car then Georgie should walk .. Trusting this guys word is a far fetch - but then again the trial just getting started
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/03/13 01:03 AM

Originally Posted By: cheech
MONDAY, DECEMBER 2, 2013

The Life And Times Of Bent Finger Lou
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


Throughout his testimony, Monacello has insisted that he was working for Borgesi and occasionally funneling money to Ligambi. And he said he had nown "for years" that law enforcement was interested in building another case against Borgesi who, he said on the same tape, the government "had a hot nut for."


What's up with the spelling? every article has misspelled words lol
Posted By: Extortion

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/03/13 01:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: cheech
MONDAY, DECEMBER 2, 2013

The Life And Times Of Bent Finger Lou
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


Throughout his testimony, Monacello has insisted that he was working for Borgesi and occasionally funneling money to Ligambi. And he said he had nown "for years" that law enforcement was interested in building another case against Borgesi who, he said on the same tape, the government "had a hot nut for."


What's up with the spelling? every article has misspelled words lol



So does phillip carlos books, thank god hes dead
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/03/13 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Extortion
Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: cheech
MONDAY, DECEMBER 2, 2013

The Life And Times Of Bent Finger Lou
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


Throughout his testimony, Monacello has insisted that he was working for Borgesi and occasionally funneling money to Ligambi. And he said he had nown "for years" that law enforcement was interested in building another case against Borgesi who, he said on the same tape, the government "had a hot nut for."


What's up with the spelling? every article has misspelled words lol



So does phillip carlos books, thank god hes dead


LMAO. True.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 12:12 AM

anything on todays proceedings?
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 01:58 AM

Mob Trial Descends Into Soap Opera

By Ralph Cipriano

Manny and Anthony Borgesi
for Bigtrial.net

Bent Finger Lou was looking at a picture from happier times.

There he was, posing for a snapshot between two smiling women. One was George Borgesi's mother, Manny; the other was Borgesi's wife, Allyson.

"We were all friends," Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello admitted from the witness stand. That was before Monacello became a cooperating witness for the government in the case against Borgesi, the alleged mob underboss, and his uncle, Joe Ligambi, the alleged boss of the Philly mob.

Monacello had the most difficult time talking about Borgesi's mother. "I always thought Manny was the only sincere one through the whole process," he testified.

But a few minutes later, Monacello was ripping George's younger brother, Anthony, as someone who was so jealous of Bent Finger Lou's favored position in the crime family that he was "constantly looking to stab me in the back."

While Monacello was teeing off on Anthony Borgesi, "Ant" was sitting right there in the courtroom soaking it up. Manny Borgesi draped a protective arm around her youngest son's muscular shoulders as Bent Finger Lou piled on the abuse.

Christopher Warren, George Borgesi's lawyer, used cross-examination to delve into such pressing legal issues as how Monacello used to date one of Anthony Borgesi's old girlfriends, and how Bent Finger Lou's ex-wife cut Anthony Borgesi's hair. Isn't this whole mob feud really just some bullshit over women, Warren asked.

Women had nothing to do with it, Monacello said. It might be bullshit, but "this bullshit could cause a serious problem," said Bent Finger Lou. He was staring at Anthony Borgesi when he said it.

It was that kind of a day at the mob trial, as the cross-examination of Bent Finger Lou descended into soap opera, petty gangland feuds, and plenty of name-calling. Why was Uncle Joe pissed at the Geator with the Heater? Did George Borgesi really bite Fat Angelo Lutz on the forehead? And why did Bent Finger Lou label one government witness "a nut case" and another government witness "a mental misfit?"

"This is hysterical," Manny Borgesi was overhead saying. Better than court TV or any reality show, spectators agreed.




The day in court began with George Borgesi and Uncle Joe wishing Anthony Borgesi a happy birthday.

Ed Jacobs, Ligambi's lawyer, asked Bent Finger Lou on cross-examination why he called government witness Anthony Aponick a "nut case."


Aponick was a New York mobster-turned-informant who was Borgesi's cellmate in a federal prison in West Virginia back in 2002 and 2003. According to Monacello, Borgesi and Aponick used to work off their frustrations by engaging in jailhouse wrestling matches.

Bent Finger Lou decided Aponick was a nut case because minutes after they first met, Aponick was hitting Bent Finger Lou up for a $10,000 loan.

"He was a New Yorker," Bent Finger Lou told the jury. Aggressive, and a typical "New York gangster." The introduction between the two men was barely underway when Bent Finger Lou's cell phone rang.

It was George Borgesi on the line, calling from prison. Of course, the feds were wiretapping Borgesi. The feds caught Borgesi trashing Aponick as a wrestler. "You can pin him in 10 seconds," Borgesi told Monacello. "Tell him I can pin him in 5 seconds."

Aponick was a made member of the Bonnano crime family. "I was very leery of him," Monacello said, but he added charitably, "I wouldn't say he was an idiot." The two men went to Lou's Crab Bar, played the jukebox, and downed some shots. They talked about working together. But after the initial meeting, "I never heard from him again," Monacello testified.

Monacello was asked by Jacobs about the early stages of his relationship with George Borgesi.

"At the time I liked him," Monacello conceded. It was George Borgesi who introduced Bent Finger Lou to Frank "Frankie the Fixer" DiGiacomo, a South Philly plumber and wannabe gangster.

Frankie the Fixer "borrowed money from me constantly," Monacello complained. Bent Finger Lou labeled Frankie the Fixer as a "mental misfit" "who loves the life of being a wiseguy." But DiGiacomo was also a chronic deadbeat, Monacello said, a guy he had to repeatedly threaten to collect his money.

Monacello testified how he ran George Borgesi's loansharking business while Borgesi was in jail. And how he paid George Borgesi $300 a month, plus $16,000 every Christmas for seven straight years. He also regularly left money in the glove compartment of Borgesi's wife. She would leave the doors unlocked. Monacello said he would make a deposit and then lock her doors for her.

Jacobs was skeptical of Bent Finger Lou's story. He pointed out that Monacello was under FBI surveillance from 2003 to 2008, but was never spotted making money drops to benefit Borgesi's wife.

"I made sure I wasn't followed," Bent Finger Lou testified.

Yeah right, Jacobs said.

On cross-examination, Monacello was shown photos from the 1999 wedding of Anthony Borgesi. A few weeks before the bachelor party, Monacello testified, George Borgesi got so angry at another gang member, "Fat Angelo Lutz," that he bit Lutz on the forehead and spit out on the sidewalk a piece of flesh the "size of a quarter."

What was Fat Angelo's offense? Monacello said that the 5-foot-4, 400-pound Fat Angelo was responsible for setting up the bachelor party for Anthony Borgesi, and George Borgesi apparently thought Lutz did a terrible job.

Jacobs showed Monacello a picture from Anthony Borgesi's wedding. There was George Borgesi and Fat Angelo beaming like a couple of old pals.

"Do you see any kind of wound on Angelo?" Jacobs asked.

There's a "mark on his forehead," Monacello testified. He said he didn't know how many weeks before the wedding did they stage that bachelor party. Monacello added that "Angelo was often, as I described, beaten by George Borgesi." Monacello described Lutz as George Borgesi's "lackey" and "slave."

Jacobs questioned Monacello about a 2009 incident caught on camera by Fox 29 News, where Uncle Joe Ligambi was seen screaming at Bent Finger Lou. The incident took place outside Ligambi's South Philly house.

Uncle Joe was "venting" about DJ Jerry Blavat, Monacello said, for talking him into a disastrous interview with Philadelphia magazine.

Winding up his cross-examination, Jacobs took Bent Finger Lou through the conditions of his cooperation agreement with the feds. Jacobs emphasized that under the contract, the government had the "sole discretion" to decide whether Monacello had told the truth, and determine how valuable Monacello's cooperation had been.

"So their hooks are in you forever," Jacobs said. If Bent Finger Lou came up short, the government had the right to take another look at his case, right?

"They could re-charge me all over again," Monacello admitted.

When Christopher Warren, George Borgesi's lawyer, cross-examined Monacello, Bent Finger Lou argued over Warren's questions, and frequently made speeches to the jury.

"Are you finished?" Warren asked.

"Yeah," Monacello replied.

At one point, Monacello turned to Judge Eduardo Robreno. "Your Honor," he said, " I have no idea what this guy's talking about."

When Monacello and Warren argued over the status of a mob associate, Monacello settled the dispute by saying, "I'm in the mob, not you. I know who the associates are."

When Warren tried to question Monacello about a conversation between Monacello and George Borgesi that was recorded by the government, Bent Finger Lou insisted that the entire tape be played in court.

The 2003 tape, the product of a government wiretap, caught George Borgesi lecturing Bent Finger Lou about keeping his mouth shut when it came to their joint loansharking operation.

"Don't tell people your business," Borgesi told Monacello. "Don't tell people my business."

Monacello explained to the jury that on the tape, Borgesi was asking Bent Finger Lou to drive down to West Virginia to visit him in prison on a Sunday, if he was "bored."

George Borgesi had just gotten a visit from his brother, Anthony, who lodged many complaints about Bent Finger Lou.

Anthony Borgesi was jealous because George Borgesi was letting him run the loansharking operation. Anthony Borgesi would do anything to cause trouble between Monacello and George Borgesi, Monacello testified.

Monacello had previously testified that George Borgesi had allegedly told him that Anthony Borgesi was not smart, and did not know how to make money. "The only thing he's capable of," Monacello claimed George Borgesi told him, was "screwing young girls and lifting weights."

When Monacello and Warren argued over the meaning of the taped conversation between him and Borgesi, Bent Finger Lou said, "Let's play the tape again."

This time, the judge cut him off.

"We're not going to play the tape again," the judge said.


POSTED BY RALPH CIPRIANO AT 8:55 PM
TRIAL: PHILADELPHIA MOB TRIAL

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/mob-trial-descends-into-soap-opera.html#0wR4Sc25Rsgdcccc.99
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 01:41 PM

Monacello is like a broken record. They did a real shitty job making this case over a decade. Think about how much money was wasted! Even if there found guilty, that was still a waste a money. and then everyones paying taxes and basically paying for them to be in jail. lol funny how it all works
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 08:40 PM

That asian guy, the US Atty? I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up working as appointed council in East PA Small Claims Court.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
That asian guy, the US Atty? I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up working as appointed council in East PA Small Claims Court.


lol

It's hard to say how it's really going from just reading the articles. But it does sound like just a total replay of the first trial to me.

Is anybody here getting the daily audio off of the PACER site?
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 08:55 PM

If I didn't have Law finals I would be catching that. Damn… do they archive the audio?
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
If I didn't have Law finals I would be catching that. Damn… do they archive the audio?

Really not sure how long the audio is made available. But i think they post it a day or two later. But again i'm not sure.

One guy was getting it and posting up the mp3's during the first trial but i've lost contact with him.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 09:08 PM

As a student of that stuff, I'd really like to hear the entire trial over xmas break. Damn, that's a shame.

If anyone has audio recordings of either Ligambi trial, PM me. $ for copies.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 09:16 PM

Frank i think you can just sign up for a PACER account. You put a credit or debit card on record on the site and they bill you as you go depending on what you download. I can't remember the prices though...but i don't think it's too expensive. The audio files probably cost more then the transcripts though.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/04/13 09:56 PM

Just went on there and registered. Neat site.
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 12:27 AM

The Bonnano guy from NY (Aponnick) buried Georgie today. Back on tomorrow to put the fork in him. Can't wait to see what Borgesis' attorney has for cross examnaition of him.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 12:31 AM

Is Aponnick made? I always thought he wasn't but a recent article said he was. Plus Aponnick doesn't sound Italian unless it's northern Italy.
Posted By: paprincess

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 01:21 AM

who is the guy with the sunglasses? I don't think he is hot and sexy or ugly, but he isn't bad looking, I am just wondering why he is wearing sunglasses in a fully lit room? Maybe they are prescription or he has astigmatism or something?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 01:28 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Is Aponnick made? I always thought he wasn't but a recent article said he was. Plus Aponnick doesn't sound Italian unless it's northern Italy.
if your talking about the article from yesterday that stated Aponnick was a made member of the Bonnano Family, that was a mistake. If you check Bigtrial.net, they edited that rightfully calling him an associate, cause thats what he was. there was another mistake calling Borgesi the "alleged underboss", they also corrected that to "reputed capo". you can almost always tell the little differences from when its Anastasia writing the post and when its Cipirano.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 03:41 AM

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/witness-puts-price-tag-on-mob-membership.html

Wednesday, December 4, 2013

Witness Puts Price Tag On Mob Membership

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

An outsider can buy his way into the Philadelphia mob for $10,000.

Cash.

That, at least, is what New York mob informant Anthony Aponick said he was asked to cough up to George Borgesi while they were cellmates in a federal prison in West Virginia back in 2003.

"He said I would become a member of his crew," said Aponick as he testified today at the racketeering conspiracy retrial of Borgesi and his uncle, mob boss Joe Ligambi. "He wanted $10,000."

The membership fee was just 10 percent of what Boston mobster Bobby Luisi said he had to pay Joey Merlino back in the late 1990s to become a made member of the organization. Whether that was a reflection of an economic downturn in the underworld or whether Aponick was getting a special discount could not be determined. Like Aponick, Luisi became a close associate of Borgesi's. And like Aponick, he eventually became an FBI informant.

Aponick said his dealings with Borgesi also came with an ominous warning.

"Listen, no matter what, don't fuck me," he said Borgesi told him as Aponick was about to be released from prison in 2003. "If you fuck me, I'll kill you and your whole family."

Aponick, who was already cooperating with the FBI by that time, disregarded the warning.

Aponick celebrated his 43rd birthday this morning by making his public debut as a government witness. Describing himself as an associate of the Bonanno crime family in New York, he said he befriended Borgesi after being transferred to the federal prison in Beckley, W. Va., in 2002.

Borgesi was serving a 14-year sentence for a racketeering conviction. Aponick had been sentenced to 93 months for a series of armed robberies. They and several other mob members and associates hung out together in the federal institution, Aponick said.

He described Borgesi as a "serious" mobster, but also as a funny and witty individual whom he genuinely liked. He said that laughed, joked and cooked meals together, and eventually became cellmates.

While reticent to discuss mob business at first, Aponick said Borgesi eventually confided in him and also urged him to move to Philadelphia after he was released from prison. While he was not a full-blooded Italian-American (his mother was Italian, but his father was Ukrainian and Lithuanian), Aponick said Borgesi assured him that he could become a made -- formally initiated member -- of the Philadelphia mob.

The price tag was $10,000.

Aponick is due back on the stand when the trial resumes tomorrow. His testimony is considered crucial to the government's case against Borgesi who prosecutors allege continued to run a mob operation from prison while serving his 2001 sentence for a racketeering conviction.

Dressed in a gray, sharkskin suit, white shirt and tie, and speaking with a thick Brooklyn accent, the five-foot-six Joe Pesce-look-alike gangster testified for nearly four hours. Much of what he said supported and corroborated the testimony of Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello, another Borgesi associate who finished three days of testimony on Tuesday.

Among other things, Aponick said Borgesi boasted of his own involvement in 11 mob murders, some of which he had been charged with acquitted and others for which he had avoided prosecution.

"He told me he beat 11 murders," said Aponick. "Im from the streets. When you say you bheat something, that means you did it."

Like Monacello, Aponick described Borgesi, 50, as someone who enjoyed his status as a mob leader and his reputation for violence.

"He told me he was the `coon-see' (consigliere)," Aponick said. He also said that Borgesi told him his uncle (Ligambi) was the boss but that the crime family "belonged" to Joey Merlino, Steven Mazzone and Borgesi, all three of whom were convicted in the 2001 racketeering case.

Borgesi is the only one of seven defendants in that case still in jail.

"He said the family belonged to him, Merlino and Mazzone," Aponick said. "His uncle was minding the store (and) would have a step aside" when they came out of prison. If not, Borgesi said, Ligambi or anyone else trying to run the organization "would have serious problems."

Aponick said he began cooperating with the FBI in September 2002 while he was Borgesi's cellmate. He said he did so because he was finishing his 93-month sentence and didn't want to go back into the mob life. His cooperation earned him a six-month reduction in that jail term.

Born and raised in Brooklyn, Aponick said he was a Bonanno crime family associate for more than 20 years and was engaged in gambling, drug dealing, hijacking, extortions and robberies for the organization. He said Borgesi encouraged him to leave New York and move to Philadelphia where he would become part of the crew being run by Monacello while Borgesi's was in jail.

He said he described Monacello as "his man on the street."

"I had never been to Philadelphia," Aponick said. But he went along with the plan as part of his cooperating agreement with the FBI.

He, like Monacello, also said he was surprised that Borgesi used his wife Alyson to relay messages about mob business to him and other associates.

"It's not customary to get a woman involved to that extent," he said after detailing messages relayed to him in letters and phone calls by Borgesi's wife.

He said he and Borgesi discussed setting up an after hours club and a men's clothing store through which they could run gambling and loansharking operations in the Philadelphia area. But he said Borgesi told him repeatedly to stay away from his uncle.

"He said his uncle was greedy," Aponick said.

The jury was also shown a video of Aponick meeting in Brooklyn with Borgesi's brother Anthony and Mauro Goffredo, a Borgesi associate in the trash business, while Aponick was in a halfway house in New York completing his prison term.

The jury has already heard a phone conversation Borgesi had with Monacello and Aponick after Aponick came to Philadelphia and met with Monacello at Ralph's, a restaurant on Ninth Street. The tape is expected to be played again so that Aponick can explain parts of what the government contends was coded conversation. Borgesi made the call from prison where all phone calls are taped and monitored.

Aponick's motivation for testifying and his credibility are both expected to be challenged when cross-examination begins some time tomorrow. One of the things the jury has yet to hear is that shortly after his release from prison in 2003, and while he was cooperating with the FBI, Aponick robbed several banks in New York. He was arrested for those robberies and his cooperation agreement negated.

But he managed to convince federal authorities to give him a second chance. His new deal resulted in a three-year sentence for the bank robberies and his agreement to help make the case against Borgesi.

Aponick was not called as a witness in the first trial that ended with a hung jury on the conspiracy count that Borgesi and Ligambi now face,.

The defense will argue that Aponick has used Borgesi as a trading chit to get out from under his own criminal problems. That same argument has been presented to the jury in an attempt to undermine Monacello's testimony.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 04:31 AM

Damn… that's pretty damning. I score it 50 points, Government. 50 points, Philly Family.

My prediction:
-Georgie dies in the can.
-Uncle Joe skates free and joins Skinny Joey in Florida. He's the real deal, the 10% that doesn't die or end up in prison.
-US Atty Han accepts transfer to US Public Defender's, Southern District of New Jersey
-George Anastasia writes a new book, "Bringing Down the Philly Mob, Part: IIIIIIII."
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 12:45 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola

-George Anastasia writes a new book, "Bringing Down the Philly Mob, Part: IIIIIIII."


Lol
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 02:13 PM

What time does court usually start?
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Is Aponnick made? I always thought he wasn't but a recent article said he was. Plus Aponnick doesn't sound Italian unless it's northern Italy.



not made
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 02:34 PM

This Apponick guy.. you gotta be kidding me. i cant believe they dont have any better witnesses then morons like Anthony Apponick who tries hittin up monacello for a 10k loan the first day he meets him. and then he says he was going to pay 10k to get made in philly. he was probably going to use the 10k for drugs and never come back to philly again.
Posted By: tjonezee

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 05:14 PM

Might be time for the higher ups in the Philly mob to begin questioning the usefulness of a guy like Borgesi. He's clearly a shit magnet; Luisi, Monacello, and Apponick? These guys are supposed to be making better choices of who they include in their circle. Borgesi is doing a pretty horrible job of surveying the talent. Plus, he's an arrogant guy with a Napoleon complex that attracts law enforcement attention like flys on shit.
Posted By: azguy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 07:52 PM

Originally Posted By: tjonezee
Borgesi is doing a pretty horrible job of surveying the talent. Plus, he's an arrogant guy with a Napoleon complex that attracts law enforcement attention like flys on shit.


He's clearly an idiot and a loser. If Joe gets off and Borgesi he should turn his back on him and shelve him for being stupid...
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 07:58 PM

this guy cut a deal with the feds got out and robb abunch of banks no jurys will believe this guy. always thought the consig was surposed to be cool and calm not biteing guys heads.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By: tjonezee
Might be time for the higher ups in the Philly mob to begin questioning the usefulness of a guy like Borgesi. He's clearly a shit magnet; Luisi, Monacello, and Apponick? These guys are supposed to be making better choices of who they include in their circle. Borgesi is doing a pretty horrible job of surveying the talent. Plus, he's an arrogant guy with a Napoleon complex that attracts law enforcement attention like flys on shit.


At least half of the Philly family are just like Borgesi, tough but extremely dumb. Street thugs, nothing more. He's probably well liked in the family because most of them are morons, just like George.

He'll probably get found guilty next year, do another good stint in prison, come out and go straight back in again.

Just shows how weak the Philly family are, this guy is a captain and was acting administration, embarrassing.
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 08:42 PM

At trial today no way the jury convicts these guys on the crazy testimony given by Apponick....guy tripped over his stories left ans right and was made to look like a POS big time by defense....saw some jurors making ugly faces at the guy
Posted By: paprincess

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 10:52 PM


"At least half of the Philly family are just like Borgesi, tough but extremely dumb. Street thugs, nothing more. He's probably well liked in the family because most of them are morons, just like George."

LOLLL!!!! Extremely Dumb...
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: merlino
At trial today no way the jury convicts these guys on the crazy testimony given by Apponick....guy tripped over his stories left ans right and was made to look like a POS big time by defense....saw some jurors making ugly faces at the guy


yep I was there today also, Aponick got eaten alive! The jurors were clearly not psyched
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 10:56 PM

Originally Posted By: azguy
Originally Posted By: tjonezee
Borgesi is doing a pretty horrible job of surveying the talent. Plus, he's an arrogant guy with a Napoleon complex that attracts law enforcement attention like flys on shit.


He's clearly an idiot and a loser. If Joe gets off and Borgesi he should turn his back on him and shelve him for being stupid...


Although I agree completely it baffles me that people still consider Joe Ligambi Boss. He was never boss, only acting boss, which is a postion he no longer holds.
Posted By: paprincess

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 11:03 PM

What kind of ugly faces? "Go fuc yourself" ugly faces? "This guy is a rat bastard" ugly faces? or "what a moron" ugly faces?
LOL!

I have to say I'm a little put off that the guy would cooperate with the feds for a lousy 6 month reduced sentence. To me it would be a bigger pain in the a$$ to get dressed up, put on a uncomfortable suit and tie, and have to sit there for hours and pay attention while a bunch of lawyers asked me a bunch of smartly worded questions about somewhere I have never lived or worked personally myself.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 11:04 PM

THURSDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2013

Words And Meanings Argued At Mob Trial
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


What was said in a taped telephone conversation or written in the letter or Christmas card was not in dispute.

But what the words meant was the focus of nearly four hours of cross-examination today after mob informant Anthony Aponick, 43, spent a second day on the witness stand in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of George Borgesi and his uncle, mob boss Joseph Ligambi.

Aponick, a New York mob associate who was Borgesi's cellmate in a federal prison in Virginia for parts of 2002 and 2003, clashed repeatedly with Christopher Warren, Borgesi's defense attorney.

Warren, trying to underscore in the jury's mind that much of what Aponick has testified to is uncorroborated, came back again and again to a simple query.

"We just have to take your word?" the lawyer asked.

"It's the truth," Aponick responded.

The verbal tap dance went on for most of the day and will likely continued tomorrow when Warren concludes his questioning and Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., takes his turn at discrediting the second key prosecution witness to testify in the case.

Aponick was forced to concede that some of the conversations and letters he had received from Borgesi and Borgesi's wife Alyson were, in fact, about legitimate business ventures they hoped to undertake in the Philadelphia area, including home building and remodeling.

But he said mobsters often use legitimate businesses as "fronts" or "covers" for illegal activities and that was what he said he and Borgesi were planning.

To which Warren again posed the question, "To give that criminal meaning we again have to believe you?"

At other times Aponick said words like "house," "chick" and "paper" that appeared in letters or were spoken in taped conversations were coded references to Borgesi's demand that Aponick cough up $10,000 in order to become a member of Borgesi's mob crew in Philadelphia.

Warren also focused on the $134,000 federal authorities had spent to relocate Aponick and provide him with a monthly stipend and other expenses while he was a cooperating/protected witness. An itemized rundown of the payments that was part of the cross-examination resulted in a barbed exchange between the witness and lawyer.

"I'm confused," Aponick said at one point.

After Warren had gone over some numbers again to clarify, the lawyer asked, "Still confused?"

Aponick quickly replied, "A little bit. I think everybody is."

The expenses the government paid, Aponick said, included surgery for an eye problem. And in an apparent reference to a comment made by Borgesi, he said, "Now I'm not a cross-eyed, junkie fat rat, I'm just a rat."

That, in its own way, was another reference to the debate over words and meanings. That Aponick is a former mobsters turned cooperating witness -- a rat underworld terminology -- is not in dispute. Whether he is telling the truth is the issue.

At another point Aponick told Warren that the lawyer had a problem with "past, present and future tenses" when framing his questions. In his turn, Warren asked Aponick again and again about Christmas greetings, holidays cards and references to food, football games and family members that were part of the written correspondence between Aponick and the Borgesis.

"Is this some cryptic, hidden Mafia meaning?" Warren asked a half dozen times after pointing to seemingly innocuous comments. Aponick conceded in most cases the words were simply what they implied....but not always.

Neither the witness nor the lawyer gave an inch during the verbal sparring match.

Aponick conceded he had "betrayed" the trust federal authorities had placed in him by committing eight bank robberies after his release from prison in September 2003 and while he was working as a confidential informant for the FBI in building a case against Borgesi.

"I made some bad personal choices," he said. But then offered a classic underworld explanation,

Aponick said he was in debt to members of the Colombo crime family for about $50,000 in gambling losses.

"I figured all the government could do was put me back in jail," he said. "They (the Colombos) could kill me." He said about $25,000 from the bank robberies went to the Colombos, but stumbled when asked about the total amount he had grabbed and what the rest of the money was used for.

He denied Warren's inference that he was a drug addict -- "I haven't used drugs since 1997," he said -- but said the money went for "expenses."

Aponick also tried to refute Warren's contention that he has consistently "played" the government by working deals to get out from under his own criminal problems. When he was asked if he hadn't offered to cooperate back in 1997 when he was arrested for a series of armed robberies, Aponick said he had "talked" with authorities, but never agreed to cooperate.

"If I had cooperated," he said, "the entire Bonanno crime family would be in jail and we wouldn't be here."

Warren also hammered away at a "pitch" letter Aponick wrote to authorities seeking their help yet again after his arrest for the bank robberies. In the letter, Aponick said he was hoping for a three-year sentence, rather than the four-to-eight years he was facing. He said if the feds would vouch for him, he'd gladly go back to work on the Borgesi case, writing that he'd be "back in business against old Georgie Boy" and offering to "work for free."

Warren zeroed in again, asking Aponick if his entire plan was simply to "set Georgie up" in order to curry favor with the government.

Aponick denied it.

"I'm just here to tell you what he told me," he said.

He also admitted that he had been drummed out of the Witness Security Progam again in August after an arrest. But he said the charges was unfounded. While the judge has barred specific questions about the incident, a pretrial hearings provided some details.

Aponick was arrested in a domestic dispute case for allegedly throwing his wife out of a moving car. Those charges were later dismissed. Judge Eduardo Robreno said at the pretrial hearing that he would not allow the conspiracy trial to become a stage to rehash that case.

The conspiracy case against Borgesi is based primarily on the testimony of Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and Aponick. The government alleges that while serving a 14-year sentence for a racketeering conviction in 2001, Borgesi continued to run a mob operation from prison.

Monacello, who testified earlier, has been described as Borgesi's "point man" on the street in gambling and loansharking businesses. Aponick said he was to join Monacello in those businesses and expand them for Borgesi.

The debate over what was said and what it meant is expected to continue when Aponick returns to the stand tomorrow. A key issue for the defense is trying to offer a legitimate reason why Aponick, a New York mobster, ended up meeting with Monacello in a Ninth Street Italian restaurant shortly after his release from prison and why Borgesi, from prison, called Monacello while the dinner meeting was in progress.

The tape of that call has been played twice for the jury with both Monacello and Aponick offering explanations of what was said and what was meant. That meeting and that phone call go to the heart of the case against Borgesi.

George Anastasia can be contacted at George@bigtrial.net.

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Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/05/13 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
[quote=azguy] Although I agree completely it baffles me that people still consider Joe Ligambi Boss. He was never boss, only acting boss, which is a postion he no longer holds.


So what happens to Joe if he gets off? He's been "boss" (acting boss.. whatever) for over 13 years. What, does he just file in line with a crew and crack heads at age 73?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
[quote=azguy] Although I agree completely it baffles me that people still consider Joe Ligambi Boss. He was never boss, only acting boss, which is a postion he no longer holds.


So what happens to Joe if he gets off? He's been "boss" (acting boss.. whatever) for over 13 years. What, does he just file in line with a crew and crack heads at age 73?

Just my guess is that if he has enough money he'll retire down to boca with joey. But if he needs the money, and he doesnt retain the acting boss position, he might go back to doing what did before, making book. After all, the philly mob is really just a glorified crew of book makers.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 12:13 AM

I don't think he will file in line with a crew of crack heads frankmazola. He would probably be semi retired or work in slightly lower capacity then he does now as acting boss.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 12:15 AM

Originally Posted By: paprincess
What kind of ugly faces? "Go fuc yourself" ugly faces? "This guy is a rat bastard" ugly faces? or "what a moron" ugly faces?
LOL!

I have to say I'm a little put off that the guy would cooperate with the feds for a lousy 6 month reduced sentence. To me it would be a bigger pain in the a$$ to get dressed up, put on a uncomfortable suit and tie, and have to sit there for hours and pay attention while a bunch of lawyers asked me a bunch of smartly worded questions about somewhere I have never lived or worked personally myself.


I doubt he did it for the six months. The feds relocate and continuously pay people and offer many other perks better then the average joe like me working 9-5. I was in court today they got all into everything he has received from them and for a loser like this bum it was his meal ticket.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 12:34 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I don't think he will file in line with a crew of crack heads frankmazola. He would probably be semi retired or work in slightly lower capacity then he does now as acting boss.


I wouldn't actually expect him to. They should shelve Georgie and put him in as "coon-see" (never heard it called that before).
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 02:20 AM

I don't know what Georgie did or didn't do on the street, but divorcing his wife with 2 little girls while he's in the joint? That aint right. Now they have his name and gotta listen to all the stuff in the press about him. They are who I really feel bad for.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 03:12 AM

Originally Posted By: merlino
At trial today no way the jury convicts these guys on the crazy testimony given by Apponick....guy tripped over his stories left ans right and was made to look like a POS big time by defense....saw some jurors making ugly faces at the guy


I hear what you guys are saying about this guy being a scumbag and the jury not believing him but I think what was missing in the first trial was someone to backup what Lou was saying. Even if you don't think this guy is credible it's going to be tough to overcome both of these guys having the same story. Like I said, I wasn't there today but I really don't think it looks good for Georgie. Uncle Joe has a better chance at beating the case.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 03:35 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I don't think he will file in line with a crew of crack heads frankmazola. He would probably be semi retired or work in slightly lower capacity then he does now as acting boss.


If Ligambi really wanted it he could be official boss. I'm sure the scarfo guys like Grande and Narducci would back him. Obviously I don't know if how tight he is with them but I;m sure they go back a long way.

Let's face it if he beat the rap and declare's himself boss, put Chang and Mazzone as UB and Consig, Grande, Licata, Lancelotti, Sal Mazzone and Lou Fazzini as captains, who's going to argue? Philly haven't produced any real heavy hitters in the last two decades.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 03:49 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I don't think he will file in line with a crew of crack heads frankmazola. He would probably be semi retired or work in slightly lower capacity then he does now as acting boss.


I wouldn't actually expect him to. They should shelve Georgie and put him in as "coon-see" (never heard it called that before).


Ha maybe they should do more then shelve him? I mean, if they are taking the thing they base their entire existence on earth after serious. I mean?
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 03:49 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I don't think he will file in line with a crew of crack heads frankmazola. He would probably be semi retired or work in slightly lower capacity then he does now as acting boss.


If Ligambi really wanted it he could be official boss. I'm sure the scarfo guys like Grande and Narducci would back him. Obviously I don't know if how tight he is with them but I;m sure they go back a long way.

Let's face it if he beat the rap and declare's himself boss, put Chang and Mazzone as UB and Consig, Grande, Licata, Lancelotti, Sal Mazzone and Lou Fazzini as captains, who's going to argue? Philly haven't produced any real heavy hitters in the last two decades.


Who knows you could be right
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 06:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo

He also said that Borgesi told him his uncle (Ligambi) was the boss but that the crime family "belonged" to Joey Merlino, Steven Mazzone and Borgesi, all three of whom were convicted in the 2001 racketeering case.

"He said the family belonged to him, Merlino and Mazzone," Aponick said. "His uncle was minding the store (and) would have a step aside" when they came out of prison. If not, Borgesi said, Ligambi or anyone else trying to run the organization "would have serious problems."

So does this finally end the debate?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 10:04 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I don't think he will file in line with a crew of crack heads frankmazola. He would probably be semi retired or work in slightly lower capacity then he does now as acting boss.


If Ligambi really wanted it he could be official boss. I'm sure the scarfo guys like Grande and Narducci would back him. Obviously I don't know if how tight he is with them but I;m sure they go back a long way.

Let's face it if he beat the rap and declare's himself boss, put Chang and Mazzone as UB and Consig, Grande, Licata, Lancelotti, Sal Mazzone and Lou Fazzini as captains, who's going to argue? Philly haven't produced any real heavy hitters in the last two decades.
why would you say Fazzini would be a captain, he's gonna be in jail for the next 5 years and hes Licatas protege,he will probably take over the north jersey crew one day.
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 10:14 AM

Phil narducci , is gonna be a player in the Philly mob , if ligambj goes to prison
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 11:12 AM

Narducci is already a player. I have been told Phil is a captain... and guys remember at one point Mazzone was Uncle jokes under boss. They are all real close. Stevie mazzone would probably rather Joe be acting boss and mazzone can run the show on the low and ligambi takes all the heat.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 12:17 PM

I'll admit this guy Aponick is very shady,but like somebody else said you now have 2 guys saying almost the exact same thing.I mean look at Georgie's history he's not going to sit back while in jail or not and just behave.Sure these lawyers are great at making you look bad and that's what it comes down to.It may be a reach but we saw it in the O.J. trial,Johnnie Cochran made Mark Furman look like a racist and then suddenly everything changes.Did O.J. do it? Of course he did but his lawyer got him off.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 01:16 PM

this guy has been locked up for like 15 years....they taped all his call and read all the letters yet its still all circumstantial
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I don't think he will file in line with a crew of crack heads frankmazola. He would probably be semi retired or work in slightly lower capacity then he does now as acting boss.


If Ligambi really wanted it he could be official boss. I'm sure the scarfo guys like Grande and Narducci would back him. Obviously I don't know if how tight he is with them but I;m sure they go back a long way.

Let's face it if he beat the rap and declare's himself boss, put Chang and Mazzone as UB and Consig, Grande, Licata, Lancelotti, Sal Mazzone and Lou Fazzini as captains, who's going to argue? Philly haven't produced any real heavy hitters in the last two decades.
why would you say Fazzini would be a captain, he's gonna be in jail for the next 5 years and hes Licatas protege,he will probably take over the north jersey crew one day.


Scoops is only acting capo isn't he?
Posted By: SilentPartnerz

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I don't think he will file in line with a crew of crack heads frankmazola. He would probably be semi retired or work in slightly lower capacity then he does now as acting boss.


If Ligambi really wanted it he could be official boss. I'm sure the scarfo guys like Grande and Narducci would back him. Obviously I don't know if how tight he is with them but I;m sure they go back a long way.

Let's face it if he beat the rap and declare's himself boss, put Chang and Mazzone as UB and Consig, Grande, Licata, Lancelotti, Sal Mazzone and Lou Fazzini as captains, who's going to argue? Philly haven't produced any real heavy hitters in the last two decades.
why would you say Fazzini would be a captain, he's gonna be in jail for the next 5 years and hes Licatas protege,he will probably take over the north jersey crew one day.


Scoops is only acting capo isn't he?


Scoops has been the capo up there for years. Who would he be 'acting' for? That crew is small and barely active. Scoops is the one who makes the most money up there. He is the Newark capo for Philly.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 04:18 PM

Scoops has been active for over 30 years...not acting like SP said
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 05:32 PM

Centerino was the captain of the newark crew until at some point licata took it over from him becoming offcial capo and centerino got bumped down to soldier in that crew. Centerino is the guy that licata and ligambi were complaining about in the steffenelli tapes, they were saying how "they couldnt make three fucking cents with guy", and ligambi said that centerino cornered him at a christmas party and complained how broke he was.
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 05:55 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
I'll admit this guy Aponick is very shady,but like somebody else said you now have 2 guys saying almost the exact same thing.I mean look at Georgie's history he's not going to sit back while in jail or not and just behave.Sure these lawyers are great at making you look bad and that's what it comes down to.It may be a reach but we saw it in the O.J. trial,Johnnie Cochran made Mark Furman look like a racist and then suddenly everything changes.Did O.J. do it? Of course he did but his lawyer got him off.


One thing the lawyers are doing is making the legitimate work that Georgie was talking about with Apponick look just like that building houses by getting permits and codes, etc...then Appoonick kept saying those are just "mob" words for cash, the lawyers nailed him on asking him if all these different things from football to building is code for $10,000....the apponick guy is pretty funny up there but he is a slime bucket
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 06:17 PM

It's real obvious now why they didn't use Aponick the first time around....the guy is a disaster.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 06:41 PM

I feel like Georgie and Uncle Joe will both win,then I can't wait to hear what the jury has to say.Everybody knows the reputation of the Federal Government,why in the world would they put Aponick up there.I mean did they think this was rheir trump card.didn't they think that the cross-examination from these lawyers was going to demolish him.Maybe he's telling the truth but all those things he did,makes him look pretty bad.Its going to be ashame for the gov. they wanted to keep him behind bars so bad.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 07:13 PM

both not guilty IMO
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 07:43 PM

I've asked this before. But its even more now that there's a 2nd trial. If Ligambi gets off, he should go after US Gov. For some money. No bail + he lost age 71-74 (granted we all know he's guilty as sin), that should be worth some sort of settlement.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 08:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo

He also said that Borgesi told him his uncle (Ligambi) was the boss but that the crime family "belonged" to Joey Merlino, Steven Mazzone and Borgesi, all three of whom were convicted in the 2001 racketeering case.

"He said the family belonged to him, Merlino and Mazzone," Aponick said. "His uncle was minding the store (and) would have a step aside" when they came out of prison. If not, Borgesi said, Ligambi or anyone else trying to run the organization "would have serious problems."

So does this finally end the debate?


There shouldn't have been a debate after those tapes came out. Even before Aponick's testimony, the Philly guys referred to Ligambi as "our acting boss" to guys from other families.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
I've asked this before. But its even more now that there's a 2nd trial. If Ligambi gets off, he should go after US Gov. For some money. No bail + he lost age 71-74 (granted we all know he's guilty as sin), that should be worth some sort of settlement.


As far as I know you can't sue the government for not getting bail. Let's be honest, if he beats the case he is going to be doing backflips. He won't give a shit about a settlement. Not spending the rest of your living days in a federal prison is like winning the lottery in his situation.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
There shouldn't have been a debate after those tapes came out. Even before Aponick's testimony, the Philly guys referred to Ligambi as "our acting boss" to guys from other families.

Yup...it really doesn't get much clearer then that. When your introduced by members of your family as the acting boss on tape to members of another family.

But i have to admit i was one of the guys who really thought Ligambi was the boss...not just the acting boss. Looks like i was wrong on that one....oh well.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By: cheech
both not guilty IMO


I understand what you are saying but the conspiracy charge is very difficult to beat. They got lucky the first time around when Frankie the fixer undermined their own witness. The prosecution won't put him on this time, and even though the defense will, his testimony will mean a lot less coming from them.

I will say that the prosecution is taking a chance using two scumbags on the stand but that is what they have at this point. As long as they both say the same thing I don't think it will hurt them as much. Remember this isn't New York. The Philly juries aren't tired of rats the way that New York juries are. They may give credibility to what these guys are saying.

I think Uncle Joe's case is going to come down to whether or not the jury believes that he forcefully took over the poker machines via extortion or a legitimate sale. Eddie Jacobs is as good as it gets so he may be able to raise reasonable doubt. I think he may get fucked because he is on trial with his nephew. I really do think they get George this time.
Posted By: Snakes

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 08:30 PM

Joey does a pretty good job of making it look like he is done with the life. But I guess that's the purpose of it...
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 09:07 PM

I am not trying to kiss Joe's ass but I really think he is the best Philly has had since Bruno (may not be saying much). He's seems like a real "let's not run down there and fuck a cow. Lets walk down the hill and fuck all the cows" kind of guy. 99-present has to make him longest running unconvicted Don since the old days.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 09:37 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
I am not trying to kiss Joe's ass but I really think he is the best Philly has had since Bruno (may not be saying much). He's seems like a real "let's not run down there and fuck a cow. Lets walk down the hill and fuck all the cows" kind of guy. 99-present has to make him longest running unconvicted Don since the old days.


I'm not sure what you mean by "unconvicted". In the time frame you talk about, Joey spent 12 years locked up. Not very successful. I do think that he is lucky that he isn't doing life for any number of the murders and attempted murders. In terms of successful bosses, Nicky Scarfo was by far more successful. He had a five year run where he made millions. Joey has never and will never see that kind of money. The worst part is, the Philly family is so small that all it would take is someone in Joey's inner circle flipping to take him and most of the rest of them down. So as successful as Joey seems now that could all change in the drop of a hat (or a major conviction).
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: jmack
Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
I am not trying to kiss Joe's ass but I really think he is the best Philly has had since Bruno (may not be saying much). He's seems like a real "let's not run down there and fuck a cow. Lets walk down the hill and fuck all the cows" kind of guy. 99-present has to make him longest running unconvicted Don since the old days.


I'm not sure what you mean by "unconvicted". In the time frame you talk about, Joey spent 12 years locked up. Not very successful. I do think that he is lucky that he isn't doing life for any number of the murders and attempted murders. In terms of successful bosses, Nicky Scarfo was by far more successful. He had a five year run where he made millions. Joey has never and will never see that kind of money. The worst part is, the Philly family is so small that all it would take is someone in Joey's inner circle flipping to take him and most of the rest of them down. So as successful as Joey seems now that could all change in the drop of a hat (or a major conviction).
i think he was talking about ligambi, he was forgetting that merlino has remained official boss during that whole time period of ligambis "reign".
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 10:06 PM

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2013

Mob Trial Recesses For Five Days
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

The anonymously chosen jury in the conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi headed home this afternoon for a five-day break.

Testimony will resume on Thursday to accommodate judicial scheduling issues earlier in the week.

For all intents and purposes the prosecution has wrapped up its case against Borges who faces only a racketeering conspiracy charge.

This week included crucial testimony from two mob informants who tied the volatile South Philadelphia mobster to ongoing organized crime activities while Borgesi was in prison following a conviction in an unrelated racketeering case in 2001.

Anthony Aponick, 43, a cellmate of Borgesi's in a federal prison in West Viriginia, completed his testimony this morning with a brief cross-examination by Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr.

Aponick first took the stand on Wednesday. His testimony largely corroborated the story told by Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello who testified before him. Monacello, 47, has been described as Borgesi's "point man" in gambling and loansharking operations.

The two witnesses were both hammered on cross-examination with defense attorneys challenging both their stories and their reasons for cooperating. Both admitted to committing a series of crimes and being part of an organized crime network.

"We're criminals," Aponick said at one point.

His matter-of-fact descriptions were in synch with Monacello who toned down his delivery considerably from the first time he took the stand last year in a trial in which Ligambi and Borgesi were defendants.

The jury in that case hung on the racketeering conspiracy charge that both defendants now face. Ligambi is also facing two gambling counts and a witness tampering count.

Prosecutors hope to complete their case before Christmas. Judge Eduardo Robreno has indicated that court will not be in session Christmas week. How many witnesses the defense opts to call could determine how much longer the trial will last.

Speculation is that jury deliberation will begin shortly after the New Year.

In the last trial, which included seven defendants, the jury deliberated for nearly three weeks. At one point Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor likened the process to wandering in the dessert. Four defendants were convicted in a confusing jury verdict in which the panel rejected the bulk of the prosecution's case. Of 71 charges, the jury came back with guilty verdicts on only five.

Joseph "Scoops" Licata was acquitted and walked out of court a free man. Borgesi came close to walking away with the jury finding him not guilty of 13 of the 14 counts he faced. But the panel hung on the racketeering conspiracy charge, resulting in the retrial. Ligambi beat five of the nine counts he faced.

A month into this trial and it's obvious the prosecution has streamlined its presentation. The fact that there are only two defendants is part of the reason. But the case has also been presented in a clearer and more understandable fashion.

The consensus after the last trial was the that jury had no idea of what a conspiracy was.

This time the panel, based on their comportment and approach each day in the courtroom, appears to be following the case closely. There is little indication of any confusion. If that assessment is correct, it might not bode well for the defendants.

A conspiracy charge is heavily weighted in the prosecution's favor. As explained by the judge to the jury, a defendant doesn't have to commit a crime, but merely conspire with others who carry out the criminal activity.

The prosecution hoped to put Ligambi into a conspiracy by introducing evidence that he was the boss or acting boss of the Philadelphia crime family, the prosecution. Among other things, the prosecution keyed in on a lunch meeting at a restaurant in North Jersey in May 2010 in which Ligambi and several other Philadelphia crime family leaders meet with leaders of the Gambino crime family.

Borgesi, jailed since 2000, has been tied to a conspiracy through the testimony of Monacello and Aponick. A key part of that allegation is Aponick's trip to Philadelphia after he was released from prison to meet with Monacello.

The meeting, at Ralph's Italian Restaurant on Ninth Street, was set up by Borgesi, both Aponick and Monacello said. Borgesi called from prison during the dinner and that taped phone call (all prison calls are monitored and taped) was played twice for the jury.

While the defense tried to argue that Aponick and Monacello were meeting to discuss legitimate business deals, both witnesses said the meeting was set up to expand on Borgesi's proposal for Aponick to move from New York to Philadelphia and become part of a gambling and loansharking operation that Monacello was overseeing.

In separate testimony today, the jury heard about how authorities closely watched Borgesi while he was an inmate in a federal prison in Beckley, West Virginia. Aponick was his cellmate there for about a year between 2002 and 2003.

Borgesi, because of his mob connections, was designated "an inmate of concern." All his phone calls were monitored and recorded and all his correspondence (letters he wrote and those he received) were read, copied and copies forwarded to the FBI.

The jury was also shown prison records indicating that Ligambi visited Borgesi 14 times between 2002 and 2009 and Monacello visited 12 times. Other records showed that Ligambi had placed $7,700 in Borgesi's prison commissary during that period and that mobster Anthony Staino, who visited five times, placed an additional $1,600.

A prison official testified that inmates were limited to spending $250-a-month from their commissary account. He also said the $7,700 provided by Ligambi was "excessively" high and out of the ordinary for most inmates.

The jury also heard that Borgesi had two prison violations while at Beckley, once for fighting with another inmate and once for assaulting his wife in the prison visitation room while she was visiting him.

Testimony and evidence introduced during the trial has portrayed Alyson Borgesi as her husband's most loyal confidante. Both Monacello -- who referred to her one time as "Alyson Corleone" -- and Aponick said they were surprised that Borgesi shared mob business information with his wife and used her to pass messages.

"It's unusual for a woman to be involved," said Aponick who held himself out as an associate of the Bonanno crime family in New York and one who from the age of 12 had been around the mobster "life."

George Anastasia can be contacted at George@bigtrial.net.


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Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 11:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
"Lets walk down the hill and fuck all the cows"


I...I don't wanna do that...No, not me.......
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/06/13 11:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: jmack
Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
I am not trying to kiss Joe's ass but I really think he is the best Philly has had since Bruno (may not be saying much). He's seems like a real "let's not run down there and fuck a cow. Lets walk down the hill and fuck all the cows" kind of guy. 99-present has to make him longest running unconvicted Don since the old days.


I'm not sure what you mean by "unconvicted". In the time frame you talk about, Joey spent 12 years locked up. Not very successful. I do think that he is lucky that he isn't doing life for any number of the murders and attempted murders. In terms of successful bosses, Nicky Scarfo was by far more successful. He had a five year run where he made millions. Joey has never and will never see that kind of money. The worst part is, the Philly family is so small that all it would take is someone in Joey's inner circle flipping to take him and most of the rest of them down. So as successful as Joey seems now that could all change in the drop of a hat (or a major conviction).
i think he was talking about ligambi, he was forgetting that merlino has remained official boss during that whole time period of ligambis "reign".


Well acting boss… whatever. Still defacto leader. and ya, I was talking about Ligambi. I mean, maybe he didn't have as robust of a pie as Scarfo but he ran... something. Call Philly what you will. 12 years the boss… er, the leader, acting boss.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 12:17 AM

Ya i agree a 12 year run for someone who the FBI thought(at least for most of it) was the offcial boss was a pretty good run. But to say he was the greatest boss since bruno, im not so sure. Yes maybe the most low key and not so much internal strife but he definatley seemed like someone who "ate alone", in the words of anthony staino "joe dont give a fuck about the street, he just wants his money."
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 03:35 PM

Mob trial ends early for day amid rumors of juror intimidation

MENSAH M. DEAN & WILLIAM BENDER, DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER DEANM@PHILLYNEWS.COM, 215-568-8278
POSTED: Sunday, December 8, 2013, 3:01 AM


THE FEDERAL racketeering retrial of two reputed Philadelphia mobsters came to an abrupt halt yesterday afternoon when Judge Eduardo C. Robreno ordered the courtroom cleared of spectators.

Testimony never resumed for the day, and the trial has been put on hold until Thursday, said the attorneys, who added that they were barred by Robreno from disclosing the reason for the sudden break.

But hallway chatter indicated that four jurors had reported that they felt intimidated by Alyson Borgesi, 38, the wife of defendant and former Philly mob consigliere George Borgesi, 50.

Among those making that assertion was Manny Borgesi, who is George's mother and the sister of his co-defendant, reputed mob boss Joseph Ligambi, 74.

Both men are being tried on racketeering charges that center on sports betting, loan-sharking, extortion and the operation of illegal video-poker machines.

Manny Borgesi, in the hallway and speaking into a cellphone, was overheard saying that jurors 3, 5, 12 and an alternate juror claimed that Alyson was trying to intimidate them from her seat in the courtroom.

"The government wants to bar the family from the courtroom," Manny Borgesi was heard saying.

George Borgesi's attorney, Christopher Warren, said "no one was intimidated" and that Manny Borgesi was mistaken about what she said because she was not in the courtroom after it was cleared.

"She can say that, but she was mistaken," Warren said as he and Alyson Borgesi left the court building about an hour after everyone else involved with the trial had already departed. Alyson Borgesi declined to comment.

It was not clear how the judge dealt with the intimidation allegations.

Alyson Borgesi doesn't like being in the spotlight, but her name has surfaced repeatedly during the trial - so much so that some members of the Borgesi family think the federal prosecutors are trying to drag her into the trial to bait George Borgesi into a courtroom outburst that could influence the jury.

George Borgesi is extremely protective of his wife. In February, he called Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han a "f---in' punk" in court because he felt the prosecutor had disrespected his wife.

Last week, government witness Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello testified that he would pay jailed George Borgesi by putting money in the glove compartment of Alyson's car.

Monacello was heard on a secretly recorded conversation calling her "Alyson Corleone," a reference to the Mafia family in "The Godfather" films. Monacello explained that he called her that because she got involved in a lot of mob business "for a female."

"F---in' liar," Alyson Borgesi muttered at another point during Monacello's testimony.

"How she's not locked up is beyond me, because she's an associate," a frequent trial spectator said yesterday.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201312...e3jgOekqLTcI.99
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 03:42 PM

I just came across this and was wondering if it really happened? I mean I believe it, but if you look at the date it says sunday dec 8th and that's tomorrow. So I thought either it was fake or they messed up on the date. Also it was posted at 3:01 AM, so thats strange too. I guess we will find out when the trial resumes. Thats funny, Alyson Corleone is intimidating jurors lol.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 03:45 PM

Joe Ligambi and George Borgesi are both small guys and they dont look intimidating at all.. Lucky Alyson and Manny Borgesi are there to do it for them haha
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 05:55 PM

uncle joe looking fit at the trial yesterday but aging a bit , lost weight compared to those old mob talk videos - Georgie definately been hitting the gym in prison.. I didn't see juror intimidation .. They cleared the courtroom after the afternoon recess and that was it for the day .. And then word leaked out ..
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 06:10 PM

I don't get were are the loan shark victims like every case in new York you get one bum that borrowed 100k and couldn't keep up with the vig so he gets a beating and runs to the fbi. not one guy got on the stand and said these 2 loan me money right? and what really confuses the shit out of me is the meeting with the legend john Gambino who was convicted in 94 after jumping a 2million dollar bail(crazy)maybe the boss today, phillys most respected capo im guessing in n.y. eyes scoops says this is are acting boss joe ligambi,just 2 yrs ago so ether merlino really pulling the wool over the publics eyes or they got the secret fat tony,funzi tieri,chin, or Lombardo guess who the boss thing going. maybe scarfo is official boss. didn't the luchese say that they didn't recognize anyone boss but scarfo. pretty sneaky maybe theres some old timer like santo idone calling shots or is he dead. at one point there was like 60 70 guys not every one got killed by scarfo stanfa or merlino. but damint I think merlino boss he gets off parole in a couple month. for all the people saying narducchi(fat bald guy) is gonna step up I think he looks just happy hugging/banging super models selling water down vodka and cokes and skimming the register every night. that guys living the life I don't think he's kicking up any protection to joey crew.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 06:22 PM

Forget the Guys name on the Stand yesterday but before the break he mentioned that he borrowed 500 from battaglini and Sheep and paid 65 a week for 10 weeks .. Assume they will tie in uncle joe to that when the trial resumes but the witness did time in prison , sold drugs and all that - forget the guys name..they were showing picks of sheep and battaglini..jury looked engaged obviously all but two are women, the other are black guys...
Georgie taking notes and speaking with his attorney Warren..Jacobs stands durin the whole afternoon - that may be his style I guess .. He's very good and clear in his presentation - jury seems to be impressed by Eddie
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
and what really confuses the shit out of me is the meeting with the legend john Gambino who was convicted in 94 after jumping a 2million dollar bail(crazy)maybe the boss today,

Yeah Gambino and his brother Joe lost 4 or 5 million combined for a few weeks of freedom. I think it was mostly in real estate they posted for their bond.They appealed the lost bond but lost.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 07:52 PM

If this thing isn't settled by Christmas are they going to take a break until January?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 07:58 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
If this thing isn't settled by Christmas are they going to take a break until January?
from anastasia's article i posted above-
"Prosecutors hope to complete their case before Christmas. Judge Eduardo Robreno has indicated that court will not be in session Christmas week."
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 08:00 PM

I'm confused,which wife did he assault in the visiting room,was it wife no. 1 or was it Alyson.He's very protective of his wife,only he can beat her up,right.This guy is too much.Your wife travels all that way to visit you and you assault her.WOW
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 08:01 PM

Thanks, kid. I haven't really been following too closely smile.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 08:15 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Thanks, kid. I haven't really been following too closely smile.

Ya no problem, its been a pretty entertaining trial. This defense attorney seems like a real "bruce cutler type", the way he goes after the prosecution's witnesses. His cross examination of jack garcia was priceless.

Garcia- "ive had my share of antipasto"

Def attorney-"you had everyones share"

lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 08:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Garcia- "ive had my share of antipasto"

Def attorney-"you had everyones share"

lol

Yeah, that one was gold lol.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 08:56 PM

How's it going, PB?
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/07/13 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
I'm confused,which wife did he assault in the visiting room,was it wife no. 1 or was it Alyson.He's very protective of his wife,only he can beat her up,right.This guy is too much.Your wife travels all that way to visit you and you assault her.WOW

I'm not positive but i think it was wife #1. I read somewhere she charged him with assault but later dropped the charges. I thought it occured before he got locked up but maybe not.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/08/13 04:23 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo

He also said that Borgesi told him his uncle (Ligambi) was the boss but that the crime family "belonged" to Joey Merlino, Steven Mazzone and Borgesi, all three of whom were convicted in the 2001 racketeering case.

"He said the family belonged to him, Merlino and Mazzone," Aponick said. "His uncle was minding the store (and) would have a step aside" when they came out of prison. If not, Borgesi said, Ligambi or anyone else trying to run the organization "would have serious problems."

So does this finally end the debate?


There shouldn't have been a debate after those tapes came out. Even before Aponick's testimony, the Philly guys referred to Ligambi as "our acting boss" to guys from other families.

Agree 100%
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/08/13 05:10 AM

Originally Posted By: pmac
I don't get were are the loan shark victims like every case in new York you get one bum that borrowed 100k and couldn't keep up with the vig so he gets a beating and runs to the fbi. not one guy got on the stand and said these 2 loan me money right?

Borgesi has been locked up since 1999, so there is no way he could of loaned any money. Ligambi is the acting boss so he most likely wouldn't be loan sharking directly. He's definitely not the one smacking guys around that can't pay him.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/08/13 11:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: pmac
I don't get were are the loan shark victims like every case in new York you get one bum that borrowed 100k and couldn't keep up with the vig so he gets a beating and runs to the fbi. not one guy got on the stand and said these 2 loan me money right?

Borgesi has been locked up since 1999, so there is no way he could of loaned any money. Ligambi is the acting boss so he most likely wouldn't be loan sharking directly. He's definitely not the one smacking guys around that can't pay him.

ya if they had actual loan shark customers they wouldve testified in the first trial against the lower level guys, since its been just about a full year since then i cant exactly remember if there were any actual loanshark "victims" that testified but there was an undercover FBI agent that posed as a customer and thats when anthony staino was recorded boasting about being the "CFO of the crime family", and recorded threatening the FBI agent saying stuff like he didnt want to have to hurt him, those recordings basically sunk him. it was only over like 5k loan to lol. but like ted said ligambi was smart enough to stay away from street stuff like that so there isnt anything to link him to it.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/08/13 05:26 PM

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201312..._attention.html

Alyson Borgesi, wife of reputed mob figure on trial, getting more attention


Jeremy Roebuck
Inquirer Staff Writer

Sunday December 8, 2013


PHILADELPHIA Walking into federal court each morning, Alyson Borgesi, wife of reputed Philadelphia mob consigliere George Borgesi, has made a habit of greeting those present with a now familiar refrain.

"Enjoying the show?" she asks, cracking a sardonic smile.

But as her husband's racketeering retrial entered its second month last week, she increasingly found herself cast as his unwilling costar.

The trial came to an early halt Friday after four jurors accused the petite, 38-year-old brunette - a woman whose resumé includes stints as a travel agent and candy saleswoman - of trying to intimidate them from the court gallery, Borgesi family members said.

Earlier in the week, several government witnesses accused Alyson Borgesi of serving as caretaker to her spouse's criminal empire, as her husband served out a 14-year federal prison term. She passed on orders to his mob soldiers, kept up on his press clippings, and accepted thousands of dollars in cash payments stuffed in the glove box of her car, they said.

Her involvement went so deep, one witness jokingly testified, her husband's associates nicknamed her "Alyson Corleone."

Prosecutors, too, have shown greater interest in Alyson Borgesi this time around, posing more probing questions to witnesses about her purported involvement than they did during his first trial last year.

Her name has been dropped with such frequency in recent days that one Borgesi family supporter wondered aloud: "When did Alyson get indicted here?"

"It's not customary to get the women involved to that extent," former New York mobster Anthony Aponick, who was testifying for the prosecution, told jurors Thursday.

Prosecutors allege George Borgesi, 52, and reputed mob boss Joe Ligambi ran a violent loan-sharking and illegal gambling network through threats of violence and death.

Alyson Borgesi has flatly denied any criminal activity of her own. She declined to be interviewed for this story, saying she did not want to disrupt her husband's trial.

The portrait of her that has emerged throughout the case remains a study in contrasts.

On one hand, she has come off as a doting wife, frequently visiting, writing, or calling her husband in the West Virginia federal detention center where he has idled for much of the last decade. Talk of her hospitality; her pet Yorkie, Jack; and her Christmas cards featuring Charlie Brown's Snoopy have peppered courtroom discussion in recent days.

On the other hand, her own words, in writings shown to jurors and biting courtroom asides, reveal an outspoken advocate for her husband - one with a mouth to rival many of his mob associates.

She described one government informant as a "cross-eyed junkie fat rat" in a 2005 letter.

That image stands in stark contrast to the first Mrs. Borgesi, Dina, who stood by his side during his first major criminal trial - a 1999 affair that brought down Philadelphia mob don Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino. She separated herself from the other mob wives, and never warmed to the attention. They divorced soon after he was sentenced.


'She knew'

Alyson Ferraro, then Borgesi's mistress, soon stepped in to fill her shoes. She married the alleged consigliere in a prison ceremony in 2004.

Since then, her commitment to her husband has run deep, said Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello, a former mob associate who told jurors last week he was George's right-hand man through most of the last decade.

For years, he said, he left cash-stuffed envelopes in the glove box of her car while she worked as a scout for a Passyunk Avenue talent agency.

"She knew exactly where it was coming from and who it was coming from," Monacello told jurors.


When Monacello fell behind in collecting debts or making payments to his boss, he could always expect a push from Alyson, he said.

Aponick, George Borgesi's former cellmate now testifying for the prosecution, told jurors Wednesday that days after his release from prison, he began receiving not-so-subtle reminders from Alyson to send money to anonymous post office boxes to pay off her husband's gambling debts.

And woe, both men said, to anyone who crossed her man. Aponick blamed her for blowing his cover as a protected government witness with a 2005 post on the website WhosARat.com. "He is a heavy heroin user and tried continuously to do illegal activity such as drugs" with Borgesi, the posting from the anonymous account "Philly22" reads.


'Obvious'

Alongside the message were posted his postprison address and a photo of him with his former cellmate - an image to which only a handful of people had access, Aponick said. Both have since been removed from the site.

"It was obvious where it came from," Aponick testified Thursday. "The only people that could have had that picture was me, Georgie, and Alyson."

George Borgesi's defense has characterized both Aponick and Monacello as desperate liars willing to say anything to shorten their own prison terms and balked at their portrayal of Alyson.

But the one thing all parties seem to agree on is the Borgesis' devotion to each other. Even with accusations against him flying in court, Borgesi frequently takes time to blow kisses to his wife or whisper to her across the courtroom.

And, said Aponick, when he finally left prison in 2003, the reputed mob consigliere gave him a special job to do on the outside.

"Send Aly 1 dozen roses," he wrote. "On the card, make it say, 'I know you are with me 1 million %.' "


Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/09/13 12:01 PM

I thought Ant Staino loaned the FBI agent "Dino" $25,000? I thought I read that Robert Ranieri met him in a parking lot somewhere and gave him a cereal box with the money in it.. I wonder if he ever paid him back lol.. I also thought I read Staino even brought this guy to vegas with him.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/09/13 01:12 PM

ya your right it was 25k, lol i doubt he got his money back. but i do know that the guy who introduced staino to the fbi agents because he was in so much debt to staino and he couldnt pay, got 50k from the fbi to pay back staino, so at least he got some money out of it.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/09/13 01:36 PM

true. its pretty crazy how things happen.. I found some pictures of philly guys that ive never seen.. wit steve and sonny mazzone.. anothony nicodemo.. ill post some of them tomorow morning.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/09/13 03:25 PM

^^^^^^^

let them be criminals in peace
Posted By: azguy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/09/13 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
true. its pretty crazy how things happen.. I found some pictures of philly guys that ive never seen.. wit steve and sonny mazzone.. anothony nicodemo.. ill post some of them tomorow morning.


I love new pics, looking forward to it...
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 11:22 AM

This isn't Chicago . Your just a hater.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:01 PM

So I just realized a girl I once dated in high school is now dating Joe Ligambi Jr !!! So i was browsing through her photos and look what I found!!
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:03 PM

Looks like the Ligambi's and Merlino's seem to be on the same page....

Attached picture merlino1.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:04 PM

Joey and wife

Attached picture merlinonwife.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:25 PM

Here is a few of Salvatore "Sonny" Mazzone.. I heard hes a capo now..
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:26 PM

Heres one of Sonny


Description: Sonny Mazzone
Attached picture sonnymazzone.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:27 PM

Heres another...


Description: Sonny Mazzone
Attached picture ant,son,mazzone.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:28 PM

Sonny and Steve Mazzone on the beach


Description: Sonny and Stevie Mazzone
Attached picture sonny,stevemazzone.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:29 PM

So this is Joe ligambi Jr's girlfriend with Skinny Joey this past summer. makes you wonder right? Families must be really really close still.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:31 PM

Damion Canalichio a few years back...


Description: Damion Canalicho
Attached picture dame.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:40 PM

Joe Jr's girl with Phil Ligambi


Description: Phil Ligambi
Attached picture phillig.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:42 PM

Heres two of Steve Mazzone


Description: Steve Mazzone
Attached picture mazzone4.jpg

Description: Steve Mazzone again..
Attached picture mazzone5.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 02:44 PM

The last post has two pics but you need to download the bottom one. I dont know why it posts some pics but you need to download the others, strange. I have some more Philly pics i will post tomorrow. I think I posted enough for today!
Posted By: F_white

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 03:29 PM

Nice pics once again.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 03:53 PM

Thank you sir. I will post more tomorrow.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/10/13 04:02 PM

more intrigued on the philly family than any other...maybe because they are like a caricature
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/11/13 12:52 PM

Anthony Nicodemo with a man purse!


Description: Anthony Nicodemo
Attached picture nicodemo5.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/11/13 12:54 PM

Nicodemo with his lovely wife wink


Description: Anthony Nicodemo with his beautiful Wife ;)
Attached picture nicodemo1.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/11/13 12:56 PM

another


Description: Nicodemo
Attached picture nicodemo2.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/11/13 12:56 PM

and againnnn


Description: nico
Attached picture nicodemo3.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/11/13 12:57 PM

Last one


Description: Anthony Nicodemo
Attached picture nicodemo4.jpg
Posted By: tommykarate

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/11/13 01:27 PM

Dam she resembles my ex gf Julianna soooooo much.only girl i knew that would have dinner for me wen i got off work n we were only 18wen we started dating none of my friends had that.im almost 30now n my current gf couldnt boil water if u heated it for her.sigh.i miss u julianna.i need a girl that can cook again.
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/11/13 01:57 PM

Great photos
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/12/13 11:18 PM

Family Is A Distraction At Mob Trial
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


For more than a month family members of mob boss Joe Ligambi and of his nephew and co-defendant George Borgesi have sat in the second row behind the defense table at the racketeering conspiracy retrial of the two South Philadelphia wiseguys.

Today, as the trial resumed after a five-day break, that row was empty.

Following a highly publicized flap on Friday over possible jury intimidation, the families of the two men opted not to attend the trial today and for the foreseeable future, according to one defense attorney.

"The government and the press were making them into a distraction," said Christopher Warren, Borgesi' lawyer, during a break in today's session. "They (the family members) have voluntarily decided to absent themselves from the proceedings."

Warren said a report in Saturday's Daily News and a feature about Borgesi's wife Alyson in the Sunday Inquirer were examples of the kind of media overkill that has plagued the trial almost since its start in November.

Ironically, members of the prosecution team also complained today about the focus of newspaper articles which, they say, has missed many of the salient points of testimony in the case. It may be one of the few points on which the prosecution and defense agree.

Warren said a Daily News report that some jurors had felt "intimidated" was incorrect.

"It was blown out of proportion," he said. "There was no intimidation."

Warren acknowledged that four members of the anonymously chosen jury panel had complained that family members of the defendants were "staring at them" during Friday's proceeding. But when questioned privately by Judge Eduardo Robreno, none said they felt intimidated.

"If it (intimidation) were a legitimate concern, we would have moved for a mistrial," Warren said.

He said family members, including Borgesi's wife, his brother Anthony, his mother Manny (who is also Ligambi's sister), Ligambi's brother Philip and Ligambi's wife Olivia, have opted to stay away so as not to create "a distraction" in the courtroom.

Maybe now the media will focus on the evidence and testimony, he said, adding that a profile of Alyson Borgesi in Sunday's paper was built around a government attempt to "provoke my client."

Alyson Borgesi's name surfaced repeatedly last week during testimony from Louis Monacello and Anthony Aponick, two mob associates whom prosecutors say worked for George Borgesi. Both witnesses said George Borgesi, from prison, relayed messages to them and others through his wife.

Monacello also testified that he made monthly cash payments to Alyson Borgesi to cover her husband's share of the gambling and bookmaking operations Monacello was running for him on the streets. George Borgesi was convicted in an unrelated racketeering case in 2001 and sentenced to 14 years in prison.

The testimony of Monacello and Aponick go to the heart of the conspiracy charge against Borgesi. The 50-year-old mob leader is charged with conspiring to run a mob operation while he was in jail. Borgesi was found not guilty of 13 other counts tied to Monacello's gambling and loansharking operations in the first trial that ended in February. But the jury hung on the conspiracy count, resulting in the retrial.

Ligambi, 74, was acquitted of five of nine counts he faced, but is being retried on a conspiracy count, two gambling counts and a witness intimidation count on which that same jury hung.

Four other defendants were convicted and one was acquitted in that case.

In a courtroom devoid of family and friends, the focus of testimony today shifted from Borgesi to Ligambi. Two government witnesses, both admitted drug dealers, testified about loanshark debts they owed to members of the crime family.

Joseph Comerer spent more than two hours testifying about a $500 loan that he owned to Gaty Battaglini, a mob associate linked to mob soldier Damion Canalichio. Both Battaglnii and Canalichio were convicted in the first Ligambi trial .

The $500 debt and Comerer's failure to repay it while working for the Pennsylvania State Police and recording phone calls and conversations seemed to underscore the defense position that the case against Ligambi is built around penny-ante crimes that have been used to fabricate a racketeering conspiracy that doesn't exist.

Comerer's credibility was also challenged. Among other things, he conceded that he once worked as an informant for the FBI, but that relationship when the feds accused him of stealing $500. Comerer denied that he stole the money.

What the jury wasn't told -- because of its potential prejudice and because it was irrelevant to the case at trial -- was that Comerer helped federal authorities build a drug case against Canalichio.

More pointed and potential damaging testimony came from Michael Orlando who began cooperating with authorities after running up thousands of dollars in debts to mobsters between 1998 and 2002.

On one tape, Orlando complains to Battaglini about the thousands he owes to Canalichio and the late John "Johnny Gongs" Casasanto.

"I owe all the killers," he said.

More damaging, however, were comments made by Battaglini about the source of the loans and where the money was ultimately going. It was, he told Orlando, Ligambi's money.

"He doesn't want to hear nothing," Battagilni said of Ligambi's attitude toward deadbeats and his approach to associates who were running loansharking operations. "He wants his fucking money...every week. He wants his end."

The prosecution, in building the case against Ligambi, has alleged that as boss he benefitted and shared in the gambling and loansharking operations of those under him in the organization. Battaglini's comment, secretly recorded by Orlando who was wearing an FBI supplied body wire, seemed to support that argument.
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 12:42 AM

Daaaaaamn! That guy Nicodemo better cop a plea and get his ass back home to that ! I'm just sayin'
Posted By: paprincess

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 01:26 AM

that guy in the background with the villanova t-shirt and goatee looks pretty cute too... smile
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 04:36 AM

Man what a joke. Is this all the Feds have on Joe Ligambi? Lol. This is the case? Sad part is who knows maybe he still loses trial. I can't believe I didn't go today and hear about the juicy $500 loan and the other gripping tales of people who "want their end every week." Lol
Posted By: MOES

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 06:39 AM

This trial is a joke
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 03:06 PM

$500 loan? jesus christ what a waste of time
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 03:07 PM

whats the juice on that? $5 a week...christ
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 04:28 PM

I just noticed. The picture where Anthony Borgesi is leaving the court angry, the guy to his right with blue jeans is Phil Ligambi (Joe Ligambi's brother)and the guy with the glasses behind the girl is Joe Ligambi's son, Stephen.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 04:42 PM

Did this guy Comerer become an informant over a lousy $500 debt? Seriously?
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 05:08 PM

seriously? Comerer's family must be proud!
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 09:47 PM

Was at the trial this afternoon , undercover agent Dino on the stand talking about deals with staino - lots of recordings with him and ranieri .. Jacobs just started to rosa examine when the Robreno called it for the weekend. FYI the prosecution should be resting next Friday and defense estimates 3-5 days for their case. Deliberations to start early January. Georgie and joe looking confident today and relaxed - Georgie wearing glasses .. Jacobs standing again thru the whole testimony. Didn't hear much from him today but he's damn good up there.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 10:07 PM

Georgie's family was not in the courtroom today .. They all seem really nice , it's too bad. I've mentioned before but he's been hitting the weights a lot in the can .. They need a double cuff for him. He was making small talk with his uncle sitting next to him during the break.
Posted By: MOES

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 11:40 PM

Comerer went bad years ago and sent more then a few people away peddling that powder. Including Damion Canalichio, Comerer is now shoveling it for neighbors pounding that pavement for paper.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/13/13 11:50 PM

It's pathetic the Feds have this lying rat as a witness .. Seriously , it's awful what their doing
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/14/13 01:08 AM

Flushing Out An FBI Sting Operation

By Ralph Cipriano
for Bigtrial.net

On the FBI surveillance tape played in court, the jury heard the gurgling sounds of men standing at urinals.

In the men's room of Chop House Restaurant in Gibbsboro, N.J., a tipsy mobster named Anthony Staino was overhead warning a sleazy financial planner named "Dino" what would happen if he didn't repay a $25,000 mob loan with the astronomically high interest rate of 144 percent.

"If you fuck with me, you know what's gonna happen, right?" Staino was overheard telling Dino amid the sounds of flushing urinals. "Don't fuck with me."

Dino's real name was David Sebastiani, a certified public accountant and undercover FBI agent. And while he was standing at the urinal in 2004, Dino wore a wire that not only recorded the watery sounds of the men's room, but also a successful FBI sting operation.


On the first surveillance tape played in court, Dino was telling Staino he needed a bodyguard for the money laundering operation he ran out of Elite Business Services in Mount Laurel, N.J. Dino was interested in hiring Vincent Filipelli, a former bodybuilder who used to be the bodyguard of jailed mob boss John Stanfa.

On the tape, Staino is heard using corporate takeover language to tell Dino about the South Philly mob
war of the 1990s. Staino compared the mob faction led by Skinny Joey Merlino to IBM, and he labels the Stanfa faction as GE.

"I'm IBM, and IBM took over GE," Staino told Dino. "Two different companies. Here's our company; there's the bad company. The bad company gets taken over. I'm with the good company. I'm on the board of directors ... I'm like the CFO."

Sticking with his corporate takeover metaphor, Staino told Dino Filipelli was available for hire. "He was with GE," Staino said of Filipelli, but now, "he's with me."

On the witness stand, FBI Agent Sebastiani testified he was pleased to hear Staino's reaction, because he thought Filipelli would make a great bodyguard for reasons of "sheer intimidation." Even though Dino never got around to actually hiring Filipelli.


Sebastiani testified that besides the lecture on the corporate takeover in the mob world, Staino taught him a code phrase for borrowing money at loan shark interest rates.

"Let's go to dinner in Delaware," was mob lingo for I need to see my loan shark, Sebastiani told the jury.

So after Sebastiani proposed going out to dinner in Delaware, on Aug. 4, 2004, he met Staino and another mobster, Robert Ranieri, at the Chop House in Gibbsboro. They had drinks and appetizers at the bar.

Then, everybody went to the mens' room. It was small, about 12 by 10 feet, Sebastiani testified. Sebastiani and Staino hit the urinals while Ranieri leaned his back against the door, so nobody else could come in.

Sebastiani told Staino he didn't want to fuck with him, he wanted to make money for him. That didn't impress the mobster.

"I don't give a fuck about money," Staino replied on the tape.

Staino told Dino, "I love you, but I want to put it on the table." When asked by a prosecutor what that meant, Sebastiani testified, "I had to pay the money back or he'd hurt me."

On the tape played in court, Ranieri is overhead telling Dino, "Do me a favor, don't fuck with him," meaning Staino, whom Ranieri referred to as "Unc."

"I don't know you very well," Staino told Dino on the tape. "I met you in an odd situation."

"I mean no disrespect, Dean, I swear to God, if you fuck me," Staino warned, there would be retaliation. Because if Dino defaulted on the loan, "I gotta pay the consequences," Staino said on the tape.

On the witness stand, Sebastiani explained the terms of the $25,000 loan from Staino. On Sept. 1, he had to pay back $3,000 interest. On Oct. 1, he had to pay back another $3,000 in interest. And on Nov. 1, he had to pay back the entire principal of $25,000.

Sebastiani said Ranieri delivered the money during a rendezvous at the parking lot of the Chop House.

On another tape played for the jury, Ranieri is heard telling Dino, "Anthony is a fucking baby doll, you know what I mean?" Ranieri describes Staino as a "great guy," but warns, "he'll turn into fucking the devil just like that" if you screw with him.

In the parking lot, Ranieri handed Sebastiani a Post Carb Well cereal box.

"It's all in that fucking box," Ranieri said on another government surveillance tape.

Inside, Sebastiani testified he found $25,000 wrapped in plastic.

On another tape, Ranieri is overheard lecturing Dino not to talk to Staino on the phone about the $25,000 loan.

"You don't say shit like that," Ranieri said.

"I didn't know," Dino said. "I fucked that up."

When Dino brought up the loan on the phone to Staino, the mobster hung up.

Sebastiani testified how he made two interest payments of $3,000 each. And then he repaid the loan early.

On Sept. 9, 2004, Ranieri stopped by Dino's Mount Laurel office wired with cameras and microphones. Sebastiani testified he repaid the loan just as Staino had directed him.

He handed Ranieri= two bundles of cash, each amounting to $10,000. And he wrote out a check to Staino for $5,000, from his bogus company, and also promised to issue the mobster a 1099.

Staino, 56, described by prosecutors as mob boss Joe Ligambi's "right-hand man," is currently in jail doing 97 months after he was convicted on racketeering and extortion charges at the last mob trial.

During a break, "Uncle Joe" Ligambi joked with the FBI agent about that sting operation.

"Did you ever give the $25,000 back?" Ligambi asked. "Anthony said you kept it."

"It paid for a few college tuitions," the FBI agent replied with a smile.

Ralph Cipriano at 8:07 PM
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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/14/13 09:08 PM

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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/15/13 02:57 AM

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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/15/13 03:03 AM

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Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/15/13 03:03 AM

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Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/15/13 06:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Flushing Out An FBI Sting Operation

During a break, "Uncle Joe" Ligambi joked with the FBI agent about that sting operation.

"Did you ever give the $25,000 back?" Ligambi asked. "Anthony said you kept it."

"It paid for a few college tuitions," the FBI agent replied with a smile.

Ralph Cipriano at 8:07 PM
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Hahah breaking balls with the Fed that busted him. Class move.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/15/13 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I use covers.com and I post a lot of free picks in the forum there. My user name is Anthony Starks

Iron Man! lol
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/15/13 09:51 PM

I eat, breathe and sleep sports baby
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/16/13 10:22 AM

No trial today gents. Back tomorrow. Unrelated but an associate was arrested over the weekend - Ron Galati. Dave Shratweiser mentioned something on twitter - apparently he ran or used to run an auto body shop on Washington Ave and they had thought back in the day they used his shop to cut holes in the van used on the Stanfa hit on the Schyukill. Shratweiser didn't mentioned what he was being charged with.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/16/13 08:19 PM

I'm listening to trial no. 1. Does anyone have the Mark Scolari photograph of the entire Philly family (the one Ligambi had him take). It was used as evidence in the first trial
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/16/13 09:34 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I eat, breathe and sleep sports baby


There's people in Louisiana who can take your action (whistle to myself and looks around....)
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/16/13 10:31 PM

Not unless you would be willing to post with me first.
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/17/13 06:26 PM

How are you doing that? Is there a website or something? Thanks.

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
I'm listening to trial no. 1. Does anyone have the Mark Scolari photograph of the entire Philly family (the one Ligambi had him take). It was used as evidence in the first trial
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/17/13 06:53 PM


THE PHILADELPHIA Mafia has a reputation for a lot of things. Gambling, loan-sharking, extortion, the occasional mob hit.

Impeccable timing is not one of them.

A year after a highly publicized murder in South Philadelphia disrupted the racketeering trial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his top lieutenants, another reputed mob associate has been charged with soliciting murder - in the middle of the retrial for Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi.

Ronald Galati, an auto-body-shop operator with ties to Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino and the Borgesi family, was quietly arrested on Friday. He was charged with attempted murder, solicitation of murder, and retaliation and intimidation of a witness or victim, according to court documents.

Details of Galati's arrest were scarce yesterday. Sources said the case involves a grand jury, which prohibits authorities from releasing much information. Public records say that Galati is being held at the Curran-Fromhold Correctional Facility.

"We were involved in his arrest. Beyond that, we have no comment," said Tasha Jamerson, spokeswoman for District Attorney Seth Williams. Jamerson would not confirm whether a grand jury has been convened.

Galati, 63, a popular figure in South Philly who once employed Merlino and his associates at a shop near 12th and Washington streets, was sentenced in 1995 to three years in prison on racketeering charges. Galati also had been accused of threatening to kill a postal inspector involved in an insurance-fraud probe, but his friends say he wouldn't hurt a fly.

Former mob boss John Stanfa allegedly plotted to kill Galati during the 1993 Stanfa-Merlino mob war. At the time, Stanfa believed that Galati was involved with cutting gun ports into a van that was used for a rush-hour shooting on the Schuylkill Expressway that wounded Stanfa's son. Galati has always denied involvement in the attempted Stanfa hit.

No one answered the door last night at Galati's home on Garnet Street near Porter. A phone number in his name was full of voice mails and was not accepting new ones.

Galati's arrest comes almost exactly a year after reputed mob soldier Anthony Nicodemo allegedly gunned down Gino DiPietro in broad daylight outside DiPietro's home on Iseminger Street.

DiPietro, 50, a reformed drug dealer who had proposed to his girlfriend the day before he was killed, had served as a confidential informant in a case against a mob associate, sources told the Daily News. Nicodemo, 42, is awaiting trial on first-degree-murder and related charges.

The DiPietro slaying threw a wrench into the first Ligambi trial, undermining defense attorneys' arguments that the Philadelphia mob - what's left of it - is not violent. U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno had to call each juror into his chambers to ask if he or she could render an impartial verdict in light of the news. One juror was dismissed.

That trial ended in a mixed verdict for Ligambi, Borgesi and five associates. The retrial of Ligambi and Borgesi began last month.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201312...gF4wRAZ9vgrg.99
Posted By: merlino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/17/13 06:57 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I eat, breathe and sleep sports baby


3 guys where I live run major books all through online sites, one guy caps your bets at $300 until you can prove you can pay, the other 2 guys are taking the most I have heard this year is $10,000, and then you go see them where they are and pay up on Tuesday cash and get paid next day or you can let it roll on your online account, pretty convenient
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/17/13 07:31 PM

Not bad at all. I just post offshore on 5dimes these days. I'm in the philly nj/ area where there are about a million guys taking action, but I like to fly under the radar lately.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/17/13 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I'm in the philly nj/ area where there are about a million guys taking action, but I like to fly under the radar lately.

Thats very true. But i gave up on betting on sports years ago...i sucked at it. lol

Only thing i bet on now is if i go to a track and then i'll bet on the ponies. Pimlico down in MD was my lucky track and i did pretty good at Garden State Race Track. It sucked when they closed it down.

And i like to gamble at the Borgata...love that place. But i'm not a big player....far from it.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/17/13 08:14 PM

Borgata is great, I play poker there several times a week.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/17/13 10:51 PM

Mob Associate Jailed In Murder For Hire Case

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

Here we go again.

Last year it was mobster Anthony Nicodemo, arrested for allegedly carrying out a gangland hit while mob boss Joe Ligambi was on trial in U.S. District Court.

This year it's Ronald Galati, a notorious wannabe wiseguy. Galati, whose name surfaced during the testimony of Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello two weeks ago in the ongoing Ligambi retrial, was arrested Saturday for allegedly hiring a hit man (or men?) to knock off a witness in a pending insurance fraud investigation in which he is the principal target.

Galati, 63, who owns an auto body shop in South Philadelphia, has been in this situation before. The question being asked in law enforcement and underworld circles is whether the fast-talking mob associate, who was sentenced to 37 months in federal prison for insurance fraud back in 1995, is ready to roll the dice in a case that could land him in state prison for the next 15 years?

The retrial of Ligambi and his co-defendant and nephew George Borgesi resumes this morning before Judge Eduardo Robreno. The case could go to the jury early in January. But there are those who believe the racketeering conspiracy charge the defendants are currently fighting could be the least of their problems if Galati rolls.

Galati was picked up on a warrant issued by the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office on Friday and formally charged early Saturday morning. He is being in the Curran-Fromhold Correctional Facility on State Road pending a bail hearing.

His attorney, Joseph Santaguida, said yesterday that he will seek bail for his client. But the District Attorney's Office, taking a hard line in witness intimidation cases, is expected to oppose that move, setting up the real possibility that Galati could spend both the Christmas and New Year's holidays -- and the months that follow -- in prison rather than in his comfortable South Philadelphia home or his place at the Jersey Shore.

Galati is facing five counts, including attempted murder, solicitation for murder, conspiracy and witness intimidation. Few other details have been made public. Sources say Galati has been the target of an ongoing insurance fraud investigation launched by the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office. Both the Philadelphia District Attorney's Office and authorities in New Jersey are also involved, those sources say.

And waiting in the wings is the FBI which has long wanted to have a conversation with Galati about his questionable business dealings and the people he has dealt with.

Galati's name has been mentioned in connection with a shooting in Atlantic City on Nov. 30, but no one in a position of authority would link that incident to the witness intimidation and murder for hire charges that he now faces.

According to several sources, a man identified as the boyfriend of Galati's daughter was ambushed by two gunmen outside his home on Carson Avenue in the Inlet section of Atlantic City. The victim survived. And in shades of the Nicodemo case, the two gunmen, both from Philadelphia, were arrested within minutes of the shooting which occurred shortly before 7 p.m.

Whether those suspected shooters are cooperating is one of several questions that have been raised now that Galati has been charged with solicitation for murder. The boyfriend apparently has some knowledge of Galati's auto body shop business and may have been subpoenaed before a grand jury.

Another source, however, said the shooting was "personal" and not connected to business.

Galati was convicted of mail fraud and bankruptcy fraud in the 1995 case in which a federal prosecutor described him as running a "shop of fraud" at his business on 12th Street near Washington Avenue. Galati was charged, but found not guilty, of threatening to kill a postal inspector who was part of an insurance fraud task force in that case.

In that case, authorities labeled Galati a close associate of then mob boss Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino. Merlino worked in the auto body shop in the early 1990s while in a halfway house completing a four-year sentence for an armored truck robbery in which over $350,000 was taken.

That money was never recovered.

Several other mobsters, including Borgesi, also have been linked to Galati's shop.

From the witness stand in the current trial, Monacello, a Borgesi associate, testified that he worked with Borgesi in the early 1990s in a scheme set up to provide Galati with auto body repair work and opportunities for insurance fraud.

Monacello said Galati would make copies of the car keys of customers and then provide Borgesi with the key and the customer's address. Late at night, Monacello said, he would drive Borgesi to a customer's neighborhood and if they spotted the car, Borgesi would drive it away. Monacello said he would follow and serve as a "blocker" -- using his car to block police should they pursue Borgesi.

In the stolen car, Monacello said, Borgesi would cruise South Philadelphia, heading toward the address of another Galati customer. Borgesi would then crash the stolen car into the parked car of the second customer, creating repair work for Galati from both unknowing patrons.

Borgesi would rip out the steering column in the stolen car and take the key, so that it would appear the car had been hot wired, Monacello said. He testified that he worked with Borgesi for several months, but tired of the job because of the late hours and because, he said, Borgesi was only paying him $100 per night

Galati was accused to generating tens of thousands of dollars in insurance fraud income.

His ties to the Merlino faction of the mob also resulted in a problem with mob boss John Stanfa. Stanfa suspected that Galati's auto body shop was used to cut two portholes into the side of a stolen van that was used to ambushed Stanfa on the Schuylkill Expressway in August 1993.

The shooting, Stanfa's son Joe was wounded, occurred in the midst of rush hour traffic shortly before 8 a.m. Authorities suspected the Merlino faction of being behind that attempted hit, but no one has ever been convicted.

The shooting was one of the more outlandish during a bloody war between Stanfa and Merlino in 1993. Galati ended up on one of Stanfa's many hit lists as a result.

Galati has always denied any knowledge of the circumstances behind the Expressway shooting, but what he knows could be a bargaining chip should he decide to cooperate. Authorities also believe that Galati has maintained an ongoing relationship with other mobsters and that some of them, and their family members, may figure in the current insurance fraud probe.

"Galati doesn't want to go back to prison," said one individual who knows him.

Whether he would try to bargain his way out from under his current problems is a question that is being asked in both law enforcement and underworld circles. Of course, that same question was asked this time last year when Nicodemo was arrested for the murder of Gino DiPietro in South Philadelphia.

Nicodemo, 41, was taken in to custody less than 30 minutes after the shooting. Witnesses had spotted him fleeing the scene in an SUV and gave authorities the license tag number. The vehicle was registered in Nicodemo's name and listed at his address, a few blocks from where DiPietro, 50, was gunned down.

The married father of two young children was arrested at that home without incident. He was charged with murder, conspiracy and weapons offenses after a ballistic test linked a gun found in his car with a bullet fragment from the murder scene. Police also found gloves and a ski mask in the vehicle, a black Honda Pilot, according to an investigative source.

Nicodemo spent the holidays in jail last year and will be there again this year, setting up the possibility that he and Galati might share some eggnog, or whatever it is that they serve at CFCF during this festive season.

He is scheduled for trial in May. A hearing to suppress evidence in his case could be the key to his future. If that hearing goes against him, "he's buried" said an investigative source familiar with the case.

Galati's situation is just as problematic. If the hitmen he allegedly hired are now cooperating, the case against him could be insurmountable.

"It's bad," said one person familiar with the charges.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/mob-associate-jailed-in-murder-for-hire.html#JEjzxsfdpMHP2z1U.99
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 12:09 AM

so a made guy shot an informant that ratted out an associate

they should've farmed that hit out to some bikers

philly has been the "gang that can't shoot straight" since they killed angelo bruno
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 12:19 AM

Haha, allegedly shot...
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 12:31 PM

a made guy shot an informant? Are you talking about Nicodemo or or you saying Galati hired a made guy to shoot a informant? because i didnt read anything about a made guy shooting anyone, just a "hitman".
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 04:51 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
a made guy shot an informant? Are you talking about Nicodemo or or you saying Galati hired a made guy to shoot a informant? because i didnt read anything about a made guy shooting anyone, just a "hitman".


He is talking about Nicodemo.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 05:31 PM

Jury in Ligambi mob case look at money flow
JULIE SHAW
December 18, 2013

FOLLOW THE money, right?

Depending on who's talking, the money flow could appear shady or innocent.

During the federal racketeering conspiracy retrial of reputed Philly mob boss Joseph Ligambi, 74, and his nephew, onetime mob consigliere George Borgesi, 50, jurors yesterday looked at two charts showing fund disbursements to a reputed mob leader, Anthony "Ant" Staino Jr., and to Ligambi's wife, Olivia Ligambi.

The money came from JMA Industries Inc., for which Staino filed an application for a fictitious name in 2001 with the Pennsylvania Department of State. Staino was the company's president.


Under questioning by Assistant U.S. Attorney Suzanne Ercole, IRS special agent Scott Fitzpatrick yesterday walked jurors through two charts showing how a portion of $684,073 in cash deposits into JMA Industries' business account ended up in Staino's personal accounts or in checks to Olivia Ligambi.

From July 2002 to June 2009, Staino signed $285,031 in checks to himself. The majority of that money ended up in his personal checking accounts.

Meanwhile, from 2004 to 2009, $107,977 in checks was issued to Olivia Ligambi, with memos on the checks saying they were for payroll. About $90,000 of that ended up in her personal checking account. Another $13,000 in checks were cashed at a check-cashing place in South Philly.

Authorities have alleged that Joseph Ligambi, Joseph "Mousie" Massimino, the reputed underboss of the mob, and Staino set up JMA Industries as a front company to funnel illegal income from their video-poker-machine business. JMA was derived from the first initials of their names or nicknames - Joe, Mousie and Anthony, authorities have said.

During his cross-examination of Fitzpatrick, Ligambi's attorney, Edwin Jacobs Jr., made the large monetary figures on the charts seem not so huge. He noted that $684,073 over a seven-year period, from 2002 to 2009, was less than $100,000 a year.

The $285,031 in checks made out to Staino, who was listed as president and a signatory of the company, when divided over a seven-year period, came out to about $40,000 a year. For Olivia Ligambi, the $107,977 over a six-year period, came out to $17,996 a year. The checks had the proper taxes withheld and looked like proper payroll checks, Fitzpatrick acknowledged.

"You didn't see Joe Ligambi['s name] on these documents?" Jacobs asked.

"No," Fitzpatrick said.

↓http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131 ... DA7QrAi.99

Jury in Ligambi mob case look at money flow
Checks were made out to a mob leader and to Ligambi's wife
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 10:55 PM


Wednesday, December 18, 2013

Galati Switches Lawyers Amid Speculation And Temporary Delay In Mob Trial

By George Anastasia
December 18, 2013


The racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew and co-defendant George Brogesi was temporarily derailed this afternoon by a Philadelphia Daily News story about mob associate Ron Galati.

Meanwhile speculation mounted that the South Philadelphia auto-body shop operator and mob associate may be cooperating with authorities.

Galati, 63, abruptly replaced Joseph Santaguida as his attorney today with Anthony Voci, a criminal defense attorney and former Assistant District Attorney. Santaguida said he was informed of the change in a telephone conversation with Galati's son this afternoon. Santaguida had met with Galati at the Curran-Fromhold Correctional Center this morning.

"He didn't say anything (about changing attorneys)," Santaguida said. "Then I heard from his son."

Santaguida said he wouldn't speculate about the change. Galati is scheduled for a bail hearing on Monday. Several observers say that if he is granted bail -- which was considered unlikely at the time of his arrest -- it could be a sign that he has cut a deal with the District Attorney's Office or is in the process of doing so.

Voci could not be reached for comment.

The impact on the Ligambi trial was temporary, but the Galati situation has added another twist to the ongoing saga of the mob boss and his co-defendant nephew. Both have been identified as friends of Galati's. Borgesi, according to testimony, has also been involved in scams run from the auto-body shop.

The Daily News article published this morning included a blaring front page headline that labeled Galati a "Wrecketeer." The piece, by William Bender, raised questions about how Galati, who was convicted of insurance fraud and racketeering in 1995, was able to obtain a contract to repair cars for the Philadelphia Police Department.

The article said that Galati's auto-body shop was awarded a city contract in 2011 that runs through June 2014. Last year he was paid over $400,000 for repair work for the Police Department, according to the story which also detailed Galati's mob associations to Borgesi and former mob boss Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino. (See Bigtrial December 17).

Galati was arrested Saturday and charged with attempted murder, solicitation of murder and witness intimidation for allegedly hiring hitmen to kill three different individuals who have testified against him in an ongoing grand jury investigation into insurance fraud.

The targets allegedly included the boyfriend of Galati's grown daughter. The victim was shot outside his Atlantic City home on Nov. 30 , but survived. Two gunmen, both Philadelphians, were arrested within minutes of the shooting and both, according to the Daily News, are now cooperating.

Members of the Ligambi jury panel were privately questioned by Judge Eduardo Robreno after defense attorneys, at the lunch break today, raised questions about whether exposure to the article could have tainted the panel.

The trial resumed around 2:40 p.m. after an hour-long delay. Apparently none of the jurors had seen or heard about the Galati piece.

"No one saw or read anything," said Christopher Warren, Borgesi's attorney, as he emerged from the judge's chambers prior to the start of the afternoon session.

Robreno made no mention of the issue as he called the trial back into session.

Despite the delay, Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor, the lead prosecutor in the case, said the government hopes to complete its presentation of witnesses and evidence by Friday. With a weeklong recess for the Christmas holiday, the trial would then resume on Dec. 30 with the defense calling its first witnesses.

Closing arguments and jury deliberation are likely the first or second full week in January.

Galati's situation, meanwhile, continues to cast a shadow over the trial. The wannabe wiseguy, according to people who know him, has said he does not want to go back to jail. Galati was sentenced to 37 months in 1995 after a federal jury convicted him of racketeering and fraud charges. In that case, he was found not guilty of threatening to kill a postal inspector who was part of an insurance fraud task force targeting him.

The current insurance fraud case is apparently built around the same kind of accusations that landed him in jail eight years ago. The murder threats and the hiring of hitmen, if proven, add a different dynamic to the case and bring substantially stiffer penalties if there is a conviction.

Galati's dealings with members of the South Philadelphia underworld and any role he may have played in an infamous shooting during the Stanfa-Merlino war in the 1990s could be information around which he could negotiate a deal.

Galati was targeted for death by mob boss John Stanfa because Stanfa believe it was Galati who aided the Merlino faction by cutting portholes into the side of a stolen van that was used in an ambush of Stanfa on the Schuylkill Express in August 1993. The shooting, in the midst of mid-morning rush hour traffic, resulted in Stanfa's son Joseph being wounded.

No one has ever been convicted for that crime. And while the statute of limitations has expired of the shooting itself, the act could be part of a broader racketeering case should federal prosecutors opt to go in that direction.

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/galati-switches-lawyers-amid.html
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 11:39 PM

Daveschratweisers twitter feed has a picture of Galatis mugshot..sorry still don't know how to upload..trial today was a bore - more undercover Feds on the stand in the afternoon talking about small time betting and mostly about bataglini and sheep. George A was in the seats and he posted (above). Uncle Joe and Georgie looking calm again today. All in all a snoozer today - reinforcing what a waste of money this trial is.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo


Meanwhile speculation mounted that the South Philadelphia auto-body shop operator and mob associate may be cooperating with authorities.


Several observers say that if he is granted bail -- which was considered unlikely at the time of his arrest -- it could be a sign that he has cut a deal with the District Attorney's Office or is in the process of doing so.


The wannabe wiseguy, according to people who know him, has said he does not want to go back to jail.


Galati's dealings with members of the South Philadelphia underworld and any role he may have played in an infamous shooting during the Stanfa-Merlino war in the 1990s could be information around which he could negotiate a deal.


No one has ever been convicted for that crime. And while the statute of limitations has expired of the shooting itself, the act could be part of a broader racketeering case should federal prosecutors opt to go in that direction.

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/galati-switches-lawyers-amid.html



if he decides to cooperate, can the prosecution use him for this trial, or will they use him for a new trial?
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 11:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Daveschratweisers twitter feed has a picture of Galatis mugshot..sorry still don't know how to upload..


I don't know either but I use screenschot capture tool called Lightshot(works for Chrome and Firefox)

Galati's mugshot
http://prntscr.com/2c817l
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 11:50 PM



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Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/18/13 11:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: Giancarlo


Meanwhile speculation mounted that the South Philadelphia auto-body shop operator and mob associate may be cooperating with authorities.


Several observers say that if he is granted bail -- which was considered unlikely at the time of his arrest -- it could be a sign that he has cut a deal with the District Attorney's Office or is in the process of doing so.


The wannabe wiseguy, according to people who know him, has said he does not want to go back to jail.


Galati's dealings with members of the South Philadelphia underworld and any role he may have played in an infamous shooting during the Stanfa-Merlino war in the 1990s could be information around which he could negotiate a deal.


No one has ever been convicted for that crime. And while the statute of limitations has expired of the shooting itself, the act could be part of a broader racketeering case should federal prosecutors opt to go in that direction.

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/galati-switches-lawyers-amid.html



if he decides to cooperate, can the prosecution use him for this trial, or will they use him for a new trial?

seems very doubtful he would testify at this trial. one, we dont even know if he has any knowledge relevant to this trial, and two, the prosecution seems pretty intent that they are very close to wrapping up their case.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 12:02 AM

ok thanks
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 12:09 AM

Prosecution is looking to wrap their case by Friday - Han said it again today.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 01:03 AM

if anything it could bring down a new indictment
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 03:33 AM

They hot nothing on joe Ligambis what a waste
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 03:36 AM

Got nothing on Ligambi silly ipad
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 04:16 AM

So many rats in Philly...
Posted By: littlemango

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 04:31 AM

They wouldn't use him at this trial and wouldn't even "flip" him until after the trial because then, assuming a not guilty verdict at worst for the feds, they could retry citing new previously unknown evidence in the form of galati's potential testimony.

If they hypothetically flip him and send him out there next week and bombs and the defendants get an acquittal, the feds would have to eat it on these charges.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 09:39 AM

Plus they still need to gather all the information he knows, come up with a way to use it at trial and coach him on testifying on the witness stand.
Posted By: moneyman

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 03:50 PM

Gotta wonder how Merlino feels, if Galati says how Schuylkill Expressway shooting went down then you have potentially huge guys from Merlino faction going down that are on the street now.

Plenty of other ways to whack a guy, Schuylkill Expressway shooting was fucked up end of story, innocent people in the way , a sign of the times…..
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 04:05 PM

I agree , if that happens , the narducci brothers will be running the Philly mob
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 06:42 PM

@Nickywhip

The link is here on the forum (posted last week) youtube. It's split into 4 parts. I think the thread title is "audio from philadelphia trial"
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 08:27 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
@Nickywhip

The link is here on the forum (posted last week) youtube. It's split into 4 parts. I think the thread title is "audio from philadelphia trial"


I think this is the ones your talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mwhitten77/videos
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 08:59 PM

There's a stat of limitation on state attempted murder charge on stanfas kid. Thought Merlino beat the Rico predicit ATT. Murder on stanfa son. Bet Merlino ain't sweatin anything.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 10:46 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
There's a stat of limitation on state attempted murder charge on stanfas kid. Thought Merlino beat the Rico predicit ATT. Murder on stanfa son. Bet Merlino ain't sweatin anything.


I agree. Not to mention the fact that most of the information he could have on Merlino (if any) would be almost 20 years old and would require corroboration.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/19/13 11:46 PM

Was there court today?
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/20/13 12:29 AM

Merlino is laughing at all this and happy to be in Boca

thats if he is smart and i happen to think he is albeit devilish...where are the other crime bosses from his era? hes got an angel following him thats for sure


now he did do ten but thats peanuts compared to his contemporaries
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/20/13 12:30 AM

now lets look at Georgie Boys luck lol
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/20/13 05:35 AM

I'll be at trial tomorrow and posting - free Georgie
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/20/13 01:57 PM

A Key Question For The Jury As The Government Wraps Up The Ligambi Case

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


The question went to the heart of the case against mob boss Joe Ligambi.

After verbally sparring with an FBI undercover agent over a $25,000 cash payment by Anthony Staino that was either a loanshark transaction or an investment in an illegal (and ficticious) money-laundering scheme set up by the FBI, Edwin Jacobs Jr. asked, "What does Joe Ligambi have to do with that?"

That's the question, applied on several different levels, that Jacobs hopes the jury in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi takes with it when deliberations begin sometime next month.

Absent a smoking gun (literally and figuratively), the prosecution has built the racketeering conspiracy charge against Ligambi around the criminal activities of other mobsters. Some examples -- a sports betting operation run by Gary Battaglini for mob leader Steven Mazzone; the loansharking/extortion gambit for which Staino was convicted in the first trial earlier this year, and the operation of a video poker machine company (JMA) by Staino.

The prosecution says they support the conspiracy charge; that Ligambi as mob boss approved of and benefitted from the crimes committed by his underlings. The defense says the evidence, weak and circumstantial, does not tie Ligambi, 74, to the allegations.
What the jury thinks is all that really matters.

And the anonymously chosen panel probably won't get to debate those points until sometime next month. The prosecution was expected to conclude its presentation of witnesses and evidence today. After a one-week break for the Christmas holiday, the defense will begin calling its witnesses on Dec. 30.

The government has also used secretly recorded conversations, some dating back more than 10 years, to support the charge that Ligambi sat at the top of the Philadlelphia crime family.

There was the four-hour lunch meeting at LaGriglia, the North Jersey restaurant, in May 2010 in which Ligambi and three Philadelphia mobsters broke bread with leaders of the Gambino crime family. One of the Gambino soldiers, however, was cooperating and wearing a body wire.

There were tapes of Gary Battaglini discussing bookmaking and loansharking with a cooperating witness in 2002 and, on one tape, telling thecooperator that part of the payment he made each month was kicked up to Ligambi.

And there was Staino, on tape with undercover FBI agent David Sebatiani -- posing as a hustler and financial wheeler-dealer named Dino. Staino boasted about his ties to the mob, describing himself as the "CFO" and a member of the "board of directors" of the crime family.

While more focused that its prosecution in the first trial, the government's case against Ligambi is still largely circumstantial, a fact that Jacobs has alluded to again and again during the six-week trial. Despite an investigation that extended from 1999 to 2012, Ligambi's voice is seldom heard on tape.

And when it is, the mob boss's comments are often innocuous and open to various benign interpretations.

Frequently sarcastic and certainly profane, Ligambi largely kept his own counsel. Even at the LaGriglia meeting, his comments were less than incriminating. He joked about the father of an alleged member of as rival mob faction coming to his door after being told by the FBI that Ligambi planned to kill his son.

"I said, `What the fuck you talking about?'" Ligambi said, recounting the encounter which occurred on his South Philadelphia doorstep. "`Don't ever come around this house again. I don't know what you're talking about.' I mean, that's, that's the kind of nuts you're dealing with."

At another point he told a story about a mob associate who was so broke "the guy was selling cakes out of the trunk of his car." Ligambi also drew a laugh with a comment about the associate's girlfriend whom he described as "the broken down broad he was going out with in Florida."

He referred to Ralph Natale, a mob boss who had become a government witness, as "that rat motherfucker." And drew more laughter when he told the story about a phone call that came to his home from a North Jersey mob associate who had gotten Ligambi's number from Rita Merlino, Skinny Joey's mother.

"It was Joey's mother," he said. "I told her, what're you giving this guy my number for? What the hell's the matter with you?"

But there are other comments that support the government's position, including an introduction made by Joseph "Scoops" Licata at the opening of the LaGriglia meeting. Introducing Ligambi to the New York mobstes, Licata said, "Our acting boss, Joe Ligambi, Philadelphia."

It won't be Ligambi's words, but the words of others, that will determine his fate when the jury finally gets the case.

The same is true for Borgesi.

The case against the volatile 50-year-old mobster is built almost entirely around the testimony of two mob associates who became government witnesses.

If the jury believes the story Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and Anthony Aponick told from the witness stand, Borgesi was running a mob bookmaking and loansharking operation from prison where he was serving a 14-year sentence for a 2001 racketeering conviction.

Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, has attacked the credibility and motivation of both witnesses, claiming they implicated Borgesi with lies and half-truths, presenting a story that curries favor with the government and gets them out from under their own criminal problems.

Several defense witnesses who are expected to be called after the Christmas break will offer testimony to back up that claim.

Who do you trust?

Who do you believe?

Reasonable doubt?

Those are the questions that Warren wants the jury to consider.

Both defendants have been in this situation before.

In the first trial, which ended in February, Borgesi beat 13 of the 14 counts he faced and Ligambi was acquitted on five of nine charges. But the jury hung on the other counts, leading to the retrial that began in November.

The jury in the first trial appeared to reject Monacello's testimony (Aponick was not called as a witness in that case) finding Borgesi not guilty of specific loansharking and sports betting charges but inexplicably hanging on the overarching racketeering conspiracy charge.

The jury hung on that same count against Ligambi as well as two gambling counts and a witness tampering count which are also part of the ongoing trial. (Overall, after three weeks of rambling deliberations, the jury in the first trial delivered not guilty verdicts on 46 charges, hung on 11 others and delivered just five guilty verdicts. Four of the seven defendants in that case, however, are now serving lengthy jail terms. One, Licata, was acquitted, and Ligambi and Borgesi are still fighting.)

With its convoluted verdict, the jury in the first trial apparently couldn't answer the key question posed by Jacobs earlier this week.

"What does Joe Ligambi have to do with that?"

We're not sure, the jury verdict seemed to say. Or, more to the point, we can't agree.

But this is a different jury. And it has heard a more focused government case. How it answers that question will determine Ligambi's fate. And what it thinks of Monacello and Aponick will go a long way toward determining Borgesi's future.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/a-key-question-for-jury-as-government.html#QYAmwdqU0oIxXeuh.99
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/20/13 03:09 PM

Thanks. The Galati guy; is that a piece on his head? Looks Like it. hahaha

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
@Nickywhip

The link is here on the forum (posted last week) youtube. It's split into 4 parts. I think the thread title is "audio from philadelphia trial"


I think this is the ones your talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mwhitten77/videos
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/20/13 11:45 PM

A Key Question For The Jury As The Government Wraps Up The Ligambi Case


Jacobs
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

The question went to the heart of the case against mob boss Joe Ligambi.

After verbally sparring with an FBI undercover agent over a $25,000 cash payment by Anthony Staino that was either a loanshark transaction or an investment in an illegal (and ficticious) money-laundering scheme set up by the FBI, Edwin Jacobs Jr. asked, "What does Joe Ligambi have to do with that?"

That's the question, applied on several different levels, that Jacobs hopes the jury in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi takes with it when deliberations begin sometime next month.

Absent a smoking gun (literally and figuratively), the prosecution has built the racketeering conspiracy charge against Ligambi around the criminal activities of other mobsters. Some examples -- a sports betting operation run by Gary Battaglini for mob leader Steven Mazzone; the loansharking/extortion gambit for which Staino was convicted in the first trial earlier this year, and the operation of a video poker machine company (JMA) by Staino.

The prosecution says they support the conspiracy charge; that Ligambi as mob boss approved of and benefitted from the crimes committed by his underlings. The defense says the evidence, weak and circumstantial, does not tie Ligambi, 74, to the allegations.

What the jury thinks is all that really matters.

And the anonymously chosen panel probably won't get to debate those points until sometime next month. The prosecution was expected to conclude its presentation of witnesses and evidence today. After a one-week break for the Christmas holiday, the defense will begin calling its witnesses on Dec. 30.

The government has also used secretly recorded conversations, some dating back more than 10 years, to support the charge that Ligambi sat at the top of the Philadlelphia crime family.

There was the four-hour lunch meeting at LaGriglia, the North Jersey restaurant, in May 2010 in which Ligambi and three Philadelphia mobsters broke bread with leaders of the Gambino crime family. One of the Gambino soldiers, however, was cooperating and wearing a body wire.

There were tapes of Gary Battaglini discussing bookmaking and loansharking with a cooperating witness in 2002 and, on one tape, telling thecooperator that part of the payment he made each month was kicked up to Ligambi.

And there was Staino, on tape with undercover FBI agent David Sebatiani -- posing as a hustler and financial wheeler-dealer named Dino. Staino boasted about his ties to the mob, describing himself as the "CFO" and a member of the "board of directors" of the crime family.

While more focused that its prosecution in the first trial, the government's case against Ligambi is still largely circumstantial, a fact that Jacobs has alluded to again and again during the six-week trial. Despite an investigation that extended from 1999 to 2012, Ligambi's voice is seldom heard on tape.

And when it is, the mob boss's comments are often innocuous and open to various benign interpretations.

Frequently sarcastic and certainly profane, Ligambi largely kept his own counsel. Even at the LaGriglia meeting, his comments were less than incriminating. He joked about the father of an alleged member of as rival mob faction coming to his door after being told by the FBI that Ligambi planned to kill his son.

"I said, `What the fuck you talking about?'" Ligambi said, recounting the encounter which occurred on his South Philadelphia doorstep. "`Don't ever come around this house again. I don't know what you're talking about.' I mean, that's, that's the kind of nuts you're dealing with."

At another point he told a story about a mob associate who was so broke "the guy was selling cakes out of the trunk of his car." Ligambi also drew a laugh with a comment about the associate's girlfriend whom he described as "the broken down broad he was going out with in Florida."

He referred to Ralph Natale, a mob boss who had become a government witness, as "that rat motherfucker." And drew more laughter when he told the story about a phone call that came to his home from a North Jersey mob associate who had gotten Ligambi's number from Rita Merlino, Skinny Joey's mother.

"It was Joey's mother," he said. "I told her, what're you giving this guy my number for? What the hell's the matter with you?"

But there are other comments that support the government's position, including an introduction made by Joseph "Scoops" Licata at the opening of the LaGriglia meeting. Introducing Ligambi to the New York mobstes, Licata said, "Our acting boss, Joe Ligambi, Philadelphia."

It won't be Ligambi's words, but the words of others, that will determine his fate when the jury finally gets the case.

The same is true for Borgesi.

The case against the volatile 50-year-old mobster is built almost entirely around the testimony of two mob associates who became government witnesses.

If the jury believes the story Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and Anthony Aponick told from the witness stand, Borgesi was running a mob bookmaking and loansharking operation from prison where he was serving a 14-year sentence for a 2001 racketeering conviction.

Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, has attacked the credibility and motivation of both witnesses, claiming they implicated Borgesi with lies and half-truths, presenting a story that curries favor with the government and gets them out from under their own criminal problems.

Several defense witnesses who are expected to be called after the Christmas break will offer testimony to back up that claim.

Who do you trust?

Who do you believe?

Reasonable doubt?

Those are the questions that Warren wants the jury to consider.

Both defendants have been in this situation before.

In the first trial, which ended in February, Borgesi beat 13 of the 14 counts he faced and Ligambi was acquitted on five of nine charges. But the jury hung on the other counts, leading to the retrial that began in November.

The jury in the first trial appeared to reject Monacello's testimony (Aponick was not called as a witness in that case) finding Borgesi not guilty of specific loansharking and sports betting charges but inexplicably hanging on the overarching racketeering conspiracy charge.

The jury hung on that same count against Ligambi as well as two gambling counts and a witness tampering count which are also part of the ongoing trial. (Overall, after three weeks of rambling deliberations, the jury in the first trial delivered not guilty verdicts on 46 charges, hung on 11 others and delivered just five guilty verdicts. Four of the seven defendants in that case, however, are now serving lengthy jail terms. One, Licata, was acquitted, and Ligambi and Borgesi are still fighting.)

With its convoluted verdict, the jury in the first trial apparently couldn't answer the key question posed by Jacobs earlier this week.

"What does Joe Ligambi have to do with that?"

We're not sure, the jury verdict seemed to say. Or, more to the point, we can't agree.

But this is a different jury. And it has heard a more focused government case. How it answers that question will determine Ligambi's fate. And what it thinks of Monacello and Aponick will go a long way toward determining Borgesi's future.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/a-key-question-for-jury-as-government.html#wcaA6JOuleSJmU7U.99
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/21/13 01:50 AM

Todays witnesses were all about bookmaking, then that wedding photo of Stainos' that Joe told the photog not to give to the FBI. Suppose to be the last day for the goverment witnesses, but they aren't done. Goin back on the 30th to finish then the defense case starts. They said 3-4 days for them. So looks like it'll wrap up early January. Just in time for Nicodemos' and Galatis' trials!
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/21/13 12:32 PM

Prosecutors in mob trial seek to show how Ligambi intimidated witness
Jeremy Roebuck, Inquirer Staff Writer
Friday, December 20, 2013

The photo of Joseph Ligambi, taken at a mob associate's wedding three years ago captured the reputed mob boss in less troubled times.

Decked out in a dark suit and tie and surrounded by a dozen close friends and family members at the Curtis Center, his face bore a smile not often seen in recent days in a Philadelphia federal courtroom.

But what that image meant and its potential implications for Ligambi's current criminal case became the subject of testimony Friday as his racketeering retrial ended its sixth week.

Prosecutors contend it shows the purported Mafia don alongside his network of loan sharks, bookmakers and mob enforcers. Ligambi's defense maintains the government has mistaken a simple family gathering for the wedding scene out of The Godfather.

In any case, Mark Louis Scoleri, the South Philadelphia photographer who captured that happy tableau, told jurors Friday he knew exactly which image the FBI was looking for when an agent showed up on his doorstep. Scoleri was presented with a subpoena for all of his photos from the 2010 wedding reception of Anthony Staino, a made man.

"I figured he was looking for that one photograph I took of the group," he told jurors Friday. "I knew he didn't want to look at no bride and groom photos."

Scoleri's testimony lies at the core of a witness intimidation charge against Ligambi. While jurors have spent weeks hearing of the 74-year-old's alleged involvement in loan-sharking, illegal gambling and extortion as part of the larger conspiracy case against him, prosecutors sought Friday to show Ligambi fought back as an FBI investigation closed in around him.

Agents who had surveilled Staino's nuptials were interested in the photo for the glimpse it provided into Ligambi's relationships with other made men and mob associates whose names had surfaced in their investigation.

Scoleri, who shot dozens of family events for the Ligambis over the past 20 years, said he immediately called his frequent client after that visit from the FBI. The reputed mob boss decided to pay the photographer a visit.

As soon as he arrived, Scoleri told the jury, Ligambi placed his hand on his shoulder and said, "Don't give them that picture."

"We were talking real close," the photographer said. "We were right next to each other."

At first, Scoleri did as he was told, but once investigators questioned him about the photo's absence, he turned it over.

Prosecutors contend Ligambi's instructions to Scoleri amount to an act of intimidation.

But despite what he described as a momentary lapse, Scoleri conceded under cross-examination from Ligambi's lawyer that he never exactly felt threatened by Ligambi.

"He was laughing and joking," the photographer said.

As for the mob figure's closeness during their conversation, Scoleri said, "that's just the way he talks. I'm not afraid of Joe."

Testimony in the trial is scheduled to resume Dec. 30.
↓http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131 ... ClE2b2C.99

Prosecutors seek to show how Ligambi intimidated witness
PHILADELPHIA The photo of Joseph Ligambi, taken at a mob associate's wedding three years ago, captured the reputed mob boss in less troubled times.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/21/13 01:29 PM

If I was that photographer I would of told the feds to go f*** themselves! Not only did he lose some good clientele, now he has to watch his back.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/21/13 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
If I was that photographer I would of told the feds to go f*** themselves! Not only did he lose some good clientele, now he has to watch his back.


Don't think he felt he had much choice. I doubt Joe's livid about this action. He tried not giving it to them and I think the photo is evidence on one of the weakest of the charges.
Posted By: IPDALY

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/21/13 09:20 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
If I was that photographer I would of told the feds to go f*** themselves! Not only did he lose some good clientele, now he has to watch his back.


Don't think he felt he had much choice. I doubt Joe's livid about this action. He tried not giving it to them and I think the photo is evidence on one of the weakest of the charges.


How did they know about the group photo? Were any of the guys that flipped in the picture or at the wedding? Or do you think the feds were dressed as waiters lol
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/21/13 09:30 PM

In the article it said that the fbi had surveillance at the weeding and watched the picture take place, so thats how they knew he had it.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/22/13 02:41 AM


REPUTED MOB associate Ron Galati, whose auto-body shop has received more than $1 million from the City of Philadelphia for working on police cars and other city vehicles, is known for cozying up to cops by throwing block parties or repairing their personal vehicles at a discount.

Over the summer, Galati's glad-handing extended to District Attorney Seth Williams, according to a source who attended a block party near Galati's home on Garnet Street in South Philly.

"He was palling around with Galati," the party attendee said of Williams.

Galati, 63, who did time in federal prison in the 1990s and is currently the target of an insurance-fraud investigation, was arrested last week on allegations that he hired hit men to kill three people.

"The fact that he put hits out on people doesn't make people very willing to talk about this subject matter," said the source, who attended the party with Galati and Williams.

Yesterday, Williams' spokeswoman, Tasha Jamerson, confirmed his attendance at the party, but said the two men had no prior relationship. Philadelphia police and state organized-crime authorities have been investigating Galati for a year and a half for crimes related to insurance fraud, according to court documents.

"The district attorney attends lots of block parties in the summer, and yes, he did attend a block party on South Garnet Street," Jamerson emailed. "That was the first he met Ron Galati Sr."

The city has paid Galati's company, American Collision & Automotive Center, about $1.2 million since 2011. City officials on Wednesday decided to stop sending cars there after the Daily News reported on the American Collision contract and Galati's alleged attempt to hire men to kill his daughter's boyfriend, as well as a cooperating grand-jury witness and the witness' son.

The boyfriend, Andrew Tuono, was shot outside his Atlantic City home on Nov. 30, but survived, according to court documents.

"Galati is slick. He would throw neighborhood block parties and befriend cops," said a police source. "That was his thing: get everyone to love him."

The police source said some cops go to Galati because "he takes care of their personal cars and cuts them breaks."

Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello, a witness in the ongoing racketeering retrial of reputed mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew, George Borgesi, testified last month that he and Borgesi once participated in an illegal body-shop kickback scheme with Galati.

City officials said this week that American Collision has done good work at a reasonable price. But friends say Galati, who once employed Joey Merlino and found himself on a John Stanfa hit list in the '90s, also has a fascination with the organized-crime lifestyle.

"He would constantly - I mean constantly - quote from the movie 'GoodFellas,'" one former friend said. "He always wanted to be a gangster."




Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201312...feJZGExVDx2p.99
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/22/13 10:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
As soon as he arrived, Scoleri told the jury, Ligambi placed his hand on his shoulder and said, "Don't give them that picture."

"We were talking real close," the photographer said. "We were right next to each other."

At first, Scoleri did as he was told, but once investigators questioned him about the photo's absence, he turned it over.

Prosecutors contend Ligambi's instructions to Scoleri amount to an act of intimidation.

But despite what he described as a momentary lapse, Scoleri conceded under cross-examination from Ligambi's lawyer that he never exactly felt threatened by Ligambi.

"He was laughing and joking," the photographer said.

As for the mob figure's closeness during their conversation, Scoleri said, "that's just the way he talks. I'm not afraid of Joe."

What an act of desperation by the government. Surely they can do better than that. lol
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/22/13 10:38 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
The prosecution was expected to conclude its presentation of witnesses and evidence today. After a one-week break for the Christmas holiday, the defense will begin calling its witnesses on Dec. 30.

Doesn't this benefit the defense? The prosecution's case won't be fresh on their minds when they come back and listen to the defense's case.
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/22/13 03:28 PM

the prosecution didn't rest yet. Theyre going to end on Dec30 with there last witnesses, then the defenses witnesses go on.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/22/13 04:43 PM

i feel like they are dragging this trial out. just a big waste of time and money
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 05:19 AM

As long as Georgie "Freckles" Borgesi gets cornholed, I'm a happy camper. I do hope Uncle Joe beats it and gets back to business. He's old school, low key, not too violent.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 04:15 PM

Georgie just did all them years so i think he did his time. I dont think highly of him either but the guy did his time. whatever conspiracy hes guilty of is all low level dumb shit anyway. uncle joe was home the whole time gettin money. so if anything Ligambi should do a few years. I think the whole case is B.S. anyway and was a waste of time. Especially in a city like Philly that has probably a few hundred open air drug markets that are basically open 24 hours a day and all the gang shootings and violence that goes with it. but theyre worried about george borgesi who has been in jail for over 12 or 13 years..
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 04:22 PM

Originally Posted By: JCB1977
As long as Georgie "Freckles" Borgesi gets cornholed, I'm a happy camper. I do hope Uncle Joe beats it and gets back to business. He's old school, low key, not too violent.


I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the Philly family will be happy if Borgesi gets another heavy sentence, the guy's an idiot and brings heat on everyone he's involved with, he's a street thug, nothing more. He is no leader, his judgement is terrible, look how many rats he's brought through.

The fact that this moron is actually a high ranking member capo/consigliere just shows how pathetic the Philly mob is.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 04:58 PM

Originally Posted By: JCB1977
As long as Georgie "Freckles" Borgesi gets cornholed, I'm a happy camper. I do hope Uncle Joe beats it and gets back to business. He's old school, low key, not too violent.


Joe Ligambi may be old school and he has brought stability to the family but I'm not sure you can consider him not too violent. Maybe compared to Scarfo and Merlino but the guy has been responsible for at least 3 killings (Turchi, Martorano, and Casasanto) while he was acting boss. Not to mention the Frankie Flowers hit where he pulled the trigger. I also have it on good authority that the Rocco Maniscalco hit was LCN related (again, possibly under Ligambi). Those are just the ones we know about because they were high profile. Look at the DiPietro hit, if someone doesn't spot Nicodemo's car at the scene we probably don't hear anything about it. Now I'm not suggesting Ligambi had anything to do with that hit since he was on trial and wasn't good for the image of the "nonviolent" gangster. I'm just saying, how many DiPietro's are there out there that we haven't heard about (again, not confirmed, but I heard that Nicodemo had the ok from someone in the Philly family- Not sure who but the list can't be that long). Just a thought.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 06:00 PM

Originally Posted By: jmack
again, not confirmed, but I heard that Nicodemo had the ok from someone in the Philly family- Not sure who but the list can't be that long

I would think it was Merlino, Mazzone or Ligambi. But most likely imo either Merlino or Mazzone since they were allegedly the boss and street boss at the time.

One of the recent articles said Nicodemo is trying to have some of the evidence suppressed and ruled inadmissible....and either a cop or DA said if Nicodemo loses that motion he's "buried". Their words not mine. I think Nicodemos lawyer is saying the cops should of had a search warrant for the car before they searched it.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: jmack
again, not confirmed, but I heard that Nicodemo had the ok from someone in the Philly family- Not sure who but the list can't be that long

I would think it was Merlino, Mazzone or Ligambi. But most likely imo either Merlino or Mazzone since they were allegedly the boss and street boss at the time.

One of the recent articles said Nicodemo is trying to have some of the evidence suppressed and ruled inadmissible....and either a cop or DA said if Nicodemo loses that motion he's "buried". Their words not mine. I think Nicodemos lawyer is saying the cops should of had a search warrant for the car before they searched it.


That's what I was implying. And let's not forget that Merlino was home right before that hit for his father's funeral (and Nicodemo was at the service). Nicodemo goes back to the mid 90's with Merlino and Mazzone.
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 06:32 PM

Right on dude. There is only so much available to public. Joe Ligambi spent alot of time around the merlino brothers, and in turn, Scarfo. I don't think he's afraid to use force, but he exercises the best judgement he can on when to use that force.

Ligambi is fully aware when Narducci's, faffy, Chickie Chang (Sr) and all these other guys got/get out and what their plans may be. He's also friends with these guys and from their generation. He likes money; we all do. He's not going to fade away quietly. But he best make sure these guys know he speaks their language: Intimidation, fear, respect, power.

None of us know exactly what goes on in NYC families; which one, if any of them, have any control over Philly. And none of us know if Ligambi has tight connections to 1 or more of those families. Or what Joey Merlinos involvment is, if any. Or if he has connection in NYC. Or if Borgesi is in favor with Merlino and Ligambi still, or anything.

On a side note, If these old heads do come back, they need to draft a handbook. I feel bad for some of these younger guys though. No one around to take them under their wing and teach the right way to mob out. No apprenticeship program. That's whats needed. Phone Etiquette 101; shakedown ethics; Clip art. At least my man lil Nicky had Skinny Razor. Crazy Phil had Lil Nicky. No good apprenticeship program.

Come back to this board in 2015 and it could be a completely different scenery. There are enough generations of guys in the ranks that they could build it back to it's former "Glory". But, there is always greed, envy, and jealousy. And there is always someone out there tougher, crazier, and more ruthless than you.


Originally Posted By: jmack
Originally Posted By: JCB1977
As long as Georgie "Freckles" Borgesi gets cornholed, I'm a happy camper. I do hope Uncle Joe beats it and gets back to business. He's old school, low key, not too violent.


Joe Ligambi may be old school and he has brought stability to the family but I'm not sure you can consider him not too violent. Maybe compared to Scarfo and Merlino but the guy has been responsible for at least 3 killings (Turchi, Martorano, and Casasanto) while he was acting boss. Not to mention the Frankie Flowers hit where he pulled the trigger. I also have it on good authority that the Rocco Maniscalco hit was LCN related (again, possibly under Ligambi). Those are just the ones we know about because they were high profile. Look at the DiPietro hit, if someone doesn't spot Nicodemo's car at the scene we probably don't hear anything about it. Now I'm not suggesting Ligambi had anything to do with that hit since he was on trial and wasn't good for the image of the "nonviolent" gangster. I'm just saying, how many DiPietro's are there out there that we haven't heard about (again, not confirmed, but I heard that Nicodemo had the ok from someone in the Philly family- Not sure who but the list can't be that long). Just a thought.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 06:32 PM

I doubt Merlino is even involved, if any order came it would probably be from Mazzone, he's the real power in the family.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyWhip
Right on dude. There is only so much available to public. Joe Ligambi spent alot of time around the merlino brothers, and in turn, Scarfo. I don't think he's afraid to use force, but he exercises the best judgement he can on when to use that force.

Ligambi is fully aware when Narducci's, faffy, Chickie Chang (Sr) and all these other guys got/get out and what their plans may be. He's also friends with these guys and from their generation. He likes money; we all do. He's not going to fade away quietly. But he best make sure these guys know he speaks their language: Intimidation, fear, respect, power.

None of us know exactly what goes on in NYC families; which one, if any of them, have any control over Philly. And none of us know if Ligambi has tight connections to 1 or more of those families. Or what Joey Merlinos involvment is, if any. Or if he has connection in NYC. Or if Borgesi is in favor with Merlino and Ligambi still, or anything.

On a side note, If these old heads do come back, they need to draft a handbook. I feel bad for some of these younger guys though. No one around to take them under their wing and teach the right way to mob out. No apprenticeship program. That's whats needed. Phone Etiquette 101; shakedown ethics; Clip art. At least my man lil Nicky had Skinny Razor. Crazy Phil had Lil Nicky. No good apprenticeship program.

Come back to this board in 2015 and it could be a completely different scenery. There are enough generations of guys in the ranks that they could build it back to it's former "Glory". But, there is always greed, envy, and jealousy. And there is always someone out there tougher, crazier, and more ruthless than you.


Originally Posted By: jmack
Originally Posted By: JCB1977
As long as Georgie "Freckles" Borgesi gets cornholed, I'm a happy camper. I do hope Uncle Joe beats it and gets back to business. He's old school, low key, not too violent.


Joe Ligambi may be old school and he has brought stability to the family but I'm not sure you can consider him not too violent. Maybe compared to Scarfo and Merlino but the guy has been responsible for at least 3 killings (Turchi, Martorano, and Casasanto) while he was acting boss. Not to mention the Frankie Flowers hit where he pulled the trigger. I also have it on good authority that the Rocco Maniscalco hit was LCN related (again, possibly under Ligambi). Those are just the ones we know about because they were high profile. Look at the DiPietro hit, if someone doesn't spot Nicodemo's car at the scene we probably don't hear anything about it. Now I'm not suggesting Ligambi had anything to do with that hit since he was on trial and wasn't good for the image of the "nonviolent" gangster. I'm just saying, how many DiPietro's are there out there that we haven't heard about (again, not confirmed, but I heard that Nicodemo had the ok from someone in the Philly family- Not sure who but the list can't be that long). Just a thought.


Well he met with John Gambino who is considered by some the most powerful in the Gambino family, also heard he met with Crea or it may have been Mazzone, I'm sure someone will correct me but no concrete evidence for that. Doesn't mean they are tight but he at least broke bread with them.

I seriously doubt Merlino is connected to any high ranking members of other famililies, too much heat.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 07:52 PM

Originally Posted By: jmack
That's what I was implying. And let's not forget that Merlino was home right before that hit for his father's funeral (and Nicodemo was at the service). Nicodemo goes back to the mid 90's with Merlino and Mazzone.

Oh i agree with you JMack...i think someone did greenlight that hit....i doubt it was just a random killing. Pretty sure the cops still believe another guy was the actual shooter though but so far no other arrests.

Not sure when the judge is going to rule on that motion to suppress the evidence from the car but if he does rule it was an illegal search Nicodemo could get off. As far as i know thats pretty much the case. Still don't know though if there are any eyewitnesses that can place Nicodemo in that car at the crime scene. Thats a pretty big "if" though.

Any of you south philly guys hear anything new on the Nicodemo case? Or on Galati?
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 08:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: jmack
That's what I was implying. And let's not forget that Merlino was home right before that hit for his father's funeral (and Nicodemo was at the service). Nicodemo goes back to the mid 90's with Merlino and Mazzone.

Oh i agree with you JMack...i think someone did greenlight that hit....i doubt it was just a random killing. Pretty sure the cops still believe another guy was the actual shooter though but so far no other arrests.

Not sure when the judge is going to rule on that motion to suppress the evidence from the car but if he does rule it was an illegal search Nicodemo could get off. As far as i know thats pretty much the case. Still don't know though if there are any eyewitnesses that can place Nicodemo in that car at the crime scene. Thats a pretty big "if" though.

Any of you south philly guys hear anything new on the Nicodemo case? Or on Galati?


I heard from someone who would know that Galati is talking. Not sure as to what yet.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 09:08 PM

There's an undeniable consensus on how this whole thing was a circus.
the govt will get what he's poured lots of money in, so I guess that both will get something.

the feds would do the philly bunch a favor by keeping borgesi in.

ligambi, on the other hand, given his age and overall involvement could early be welcomed back as a facade boss.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 09:46 PM

I'd be surprised if Phil Narducci hasn't already been given an admin spot.

Boss- Steve Mazzone
Underboss- Phil Narducci
Consigliere- Ligambi (If he beats this case)
Posted By: IPDALY

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 09:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
In the article it said that the fbi had surveillance at the weeding and watched the picture take place, so thats how they knew he had it.


I see that's f'd up.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 11:13 PM

Haven't heard anything new on nicodemo - news to me that the search warrant may be illegal. Think he's on trial in May.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 11:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Haven't heard anything new on nicodemo - news to me that the search warrant may be illegal. Think he's on trial in May.

Jose...the search of the car wasn't specifically mentioned in the article but i'm pretty sure thats what the guy was talking about.

From a Big Trial article on Galati:

"He is scheduled for trial in May. A hearing to suppress evidence in his case could be the key to his future. If that hearing goes against him, "he's buried" said an investigative source familiar with the case."

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/mob-associate-jailed-in-murder-for-hire.html#HYfVmDjtGkfgPvmw.99

Sounds to me like there is a motion to suppress evidence and the only evidence that i know of came from the search of Nicodemo's car.
Posted By: IPDALY

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/23/13 11:39 PM

We won't hear a lot about Nicodemo because of IGJ same goes for galati
Posted By: LittleNick

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 01:42 AM

Been following GangsterBB and RealDeal since Rick Porello's crimeboard went down. First time posting since then. Pogo or any of the other guys from crimeboard still around? Kind regards, Nick.

Alleged Philly Mob Associate Accused of Hiring Hitmen to Kill 3
By MaryClaire Dale | Monday, Dec 23, 2013 | Updated 5:55 PM EST

A man accused of being a mob associate will stay in jail over Christmas while a judge weighs charges he tried to have his daughter's boyfriend and two rivals killed.

Ronald Galati Sr., who works at his son's auto body shop in South Philadelphia, also is accused of threatening people during a grand jury investigation focusing on organized crime and insurance fraud.

A police affidavit filed in court states that Galati agreed to pay $20,000 apiece for the killings of a rival shop owner who testified before the grand jury and the shop owner's son.

The affidavit said Galati, 63, also ordered a hit last month on his daughter's boyfriend, Andrew Tuono, outside Tuono's Atlantic City, N.J., home. Tuono was shot three times in the abdomen but survived. Police caught two of the shooters, who said Galati had paid them to kill Tuono and the father and son, the affidavit said.

The hitmen visited the targets' shop to scope out the job, but the state shut the business down before they could act, the affidavit said.

Galati also paid them $500 to $1,500 to vandalize cars, the hitmen said, according to police. The state insurance probe has been underway for about 18 months, according to the affidavit.

Defense lawyer Anthony Voci, in court on Monday to seek bail, called the evidence weak. He said that Galati's relatives and friends, about 60 of whom went to court, could post $50,000, enough to make $500,000 bail.

But prosecutors said they have more evidence they could not disclose in court. Common Pleas Judge Charles Erlich heard from both sides behind closed doors before postponing the bail issue until Dec. 30.

The Galati case has no apparent link to the federal retrial of Philadelphia mob boss suspect Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi, who are charged in a racketeering case that involves loansharking and bookmaking. Their defense attorneys have accused the FBI of paying mob informants more than $500,000 and overlooking their crimes to try to bolster a racketeering case that's "been on life support" for years. They've also said federal wiretaps offer no proof Ligambi and Borgesi did anything more than make private loans and rent poker machines to bars and social clubs.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 02:31 AM

Looks like the guy didn't flip after all the feds would have gotten him released on bail just like bent finger. Sounds like hes screwed they caught the 2 shooters were they south philly wannabes that's wat Im thinking. This guy wanted 3 guys wackd that's ballsy. Anyone no if the vics were connected. Wanted his daughters boyfriend killed that's pretty Paul castellano ish.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 02:49 AM

Originally Posted By: pmac
Looks like the guy didn't flip after all the feds would have gotten him released on bail just like bent finger. Sounds like hes screwed they caught the 2 shooters were they south philly wannabes that's wat Im thinking. This guy wanted 3 guys wackd that's ballsy. Anyone no if the vics were connected. Wanted his daughters boyfriend killed that's pretty Paul castellano ish.


All that takes time. He won't be released until they have a cooperation deal in place. He will be released, just give it some time.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 03:08 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
I'd be surprised if Phil Narducci hasn't already been given an admin spot.

Boss- Steve Mazzone
Underboss- Phil Narducci
Consigliere- Ligambi (If he beats this case)


The Philly family has had a fluid structure for the last 20 years. Whoever is in power has their own inner circle. We all know Mazzone is running things now. Beyond that I don't think there is any set structure. I think he has a close inner circle made up of captains but I don't think one is above the other (Chang, Lance, Narducci, Mazzone).

I know a lot of people talk about Narducci like he is the heir apparent (GA was talking about him in a recent mob talk), and I know he has done a lot of work, but most of the people with Merlino during the 90's have plenty of work under their belt too. They will not be pushed aside. Just like Georgie said, we fought for this family, it's ours. If Ligambi beats the charges he could help ease the Scarfo guys transition. If not, who knows what will happen.
Posted By: paprincess

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 03:11 AM

there is NOTHING interesting in New York... you can get a pastrami sandwich anywhere these days.. just sayin...
Posted By: IPDALY

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:27 AM

Originally Posted By: paprincess
there is NOTHING interesting in New York... you can get a pastrami sandwich anywhere these days.. just sayin...


You got that right hun...you a fan of the $5.00 Footlong @ Subway?
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 03:53 PM

Daddys got some more pictures!
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:14 PM

Soldiers in the Philly Family Ally Lance & Dom Grande


Description: Albert "Ally Lance" Lancelotti & Dom Grande
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Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:16 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Soldiers in the Philly Family Ally Lance & Dom Grande


What are they 17? Starting them young in Philly Eh?
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:16 PM

Dom Grande & Albert Lancelotti

Attached picture allyndom.jpg
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:19 PM

I think Probably early 30's.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:21 PM

Dang they look young
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:23 PM

Mike Lancellotti @ mummers parade


Description: Mike Lancelotti
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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:25 PM

Ray Wagner with Skinny Joey Merlino


Description: Ray Wagner & Joey Merlino
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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:26 PM

Skinny Joey & Wags


Description: Joey Merlino & Ray Wagner
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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 04:28 PM

Another of Anthony Nicodemo & his lovely wife.


Description: Anthony "Tony Nicks" Nicodemo
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Posted By: Southphilly4ever

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/24/13 10:56 PM

Who are Al Lance and Dom Grande aligned with in the Philly family? Mazzone, Chang, Mikey Lance? Let's just say shit starts to hit the fan in Philly and there is a power struggle, I keep hearing about Phil Narducci but who would he have on his side?
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 04:28 AM

Nicodemo's wife is hot.
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 12:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
Who are Al Lance and Dom Grande aligned with in the Philly family? Mazzone, Chang, Mikey Lance? Let's just say shit starts to hit the fan in Philly and there is a power struggle, I keep hearing about Phil Narducci but who would he have on his side?

Al lance is Mikey Lance's nephew so I would imagine he stands with his uncle but in Philly family has been known to be on opposite sides
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Southphilly4ever
Who are Al Lance and Dom Grande aligned with in the Philly family? Mazzone, Chang, Mikey Lance? Let's just say shit starts to hit the fan in Philly and there is a power struggle, I keep hearing about Phil Narducci but who would he have on his side?


I heard Dom Grande was with Narducci.He may be with Sonny Mazzone though.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 01:06 PM

Dom is with Stevie ... Phil Narducci should be too ... What about Phil's brother - haven't heard much from him
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 04:18 PM

They are all with Stevie. Everyone thinks Phil Narducci is heir apparent but as far as I know Phil is a captain under Stevie. He was a young soldier when he went to prison so I would think he is happy to be making money period. As for his brother Frank Narducci Jr, I heard that he isn't involved and I've heard that he is involved. But Frank was seen at one of Ligambi's christmas parties. The one that Mazzone got in trouble for attending because he was still on supervised release.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 04:20 PM

Phil has a lot of young guys(associates) in his crew doing gambling and probably a few other regular rackets.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
They are all with Stevie. Everyone thinks Phil Narducci is heir apparent but as far as I know Phil is a captain under Stevie. He was a young soldier when he went to prison so I would think he is happy to be making money period. As for his brother Frank Narducci Jr, I heard that he isn't involved and I've heard that he is involved. But Frank was seen at one of Ligambi's christmas parties. The one that Mazzone got in trouble for attending because he was still on supervised release.


Yes but I think the guy meant what crew is Dom in. Now that Stevie is running things does he still have his old crew? Or did he give it to his brother Sal? Because Sonny doesn't just become a captain with no soldiers, he must have took over his brothers crew, unless Lancelotti got a bump upto underboss or consig.

Appreciate all the pictures, their great, how the hell do you get hold of em lol, do you know what Joe Grande is upto? Is he just a soldier?
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 05:24 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Phil has a lot of young guys(associates) in his crew doing gambling and probably a few other regular rackets.


Bet he's making money but won't be long before one of them snitches and he's back in prison, thats the trouble with these young guys.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 07:00 PM

Gotcha. I would think Dom is in Mikey Lances crew. Sonny could be running Steves old crew but I also heard he could be running Stainos South Jersey crew but I didnt think that was true because hes a South Philly guy. So most likely Sonny is in Philly. Im not sure who is in control of the South Jersey stuff now but somebody is on top of it im sure. As for the pictures, I know a lot of people is all I can really say, but ill try to keep them coming. I dont really know what Joe grande is up to but I have been wondering the same. I know he supports Scarfo and not Merlino faction.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 07:02 PM

Your right about that. Unless hes still a nut like he was when he was young and starts dropping bodies. But i wouldnt want to go back to jail for another 25 years so i would think hes playing whatever hes doing as smart as possible.
Posted By: Southphilly4ever

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 07:52 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Phil has a lot of young guys(associates) in his crew doing gambling and probably a few other regular rackets.


I seen the one photo posted on here before of Narducci, aside from Andrew Micali the majority of those younger guys I think are just either friends of his 2 nephews (Baldino brothers) or perhaps work at Encore. Not going to mention their names on here but 2 of those kids I know and I doubt they have what it takes to be in that life. Could be just a group of hanger ons like the same crew of guys I always see around George Borgesi's brother all the time downtown.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 10:57 PM

Mikey Lance sure does duck indictments huh
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/25/13 10:58 PM

and for the record not insinuating he is a rat...just lucky
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/26/13 01:19 AM

Originally Posted By: cheech
Mikey Lance sure does duck indictments huh


If I were a boss I'd do business like the guys in that James Caan movie "The Yards" (strip down to no clothes whenever you talk business). It may be homoerotic but it beats taking it in the ass in Lewisburg.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/26/13 01:30 AM

Lancellotti has to be the luckiest mobster in Philadelphia right now.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/26/13 01:38 AM

Same with steve mazzone, the only member of the administration not to be caught up in the big indictments.
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/26/13 03:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Same with steve mazzone, the only member of the administration not to be caught up in the big indictments.

He went down with Merlino in his case that was a bigger indictment than the one going on now I think he got something like 8 years for it
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/26/13 04:14 AM

Originally Posted By: SonnyL
Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Same with steve mazzone, the only member of the administration not to be caught up in the big indictments.

He went down with Merlino in his case that was a bigger indictment than the one going on now I think he got something like 8 years for it


ya i was just referring to him not getting indicted in the current case. but your right, that case was much bigger than the one going down now.
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/26/13 04:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: SonnyL
Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Same with steve mazzone, the only member of the administration not to be caught up in the big indictments.

He went down with Merlino in his case that was a bigger indictment than the one going on now I think he got something like 8 years for it


ya i was just referring to him not getting indicted in the current case. but your right, that case was much bigger than the one going down now.

The case going on now the investigation started when he went away and unlike Borgesi the guy he had handling his business while he was locked up didn't cooperate with the Feds once he got indicted in this case so the government doesn't have much on him this time. I guess when it comes down to it he's lucky his guy kept his mouth shut or he would be sitting next to Borgesi this time around too
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/27/13 07:30 PM

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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:21 PM

Ally & Mikey Lance


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:22 PM

Dom Grande


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:23 PM

more Dom Grande


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:24 PM

Mikey Lance with nephew Ally Lance


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:27 PM

Ray Wagner and Joe Merlino


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:31 PM

Young Joe Ligambi


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:33 PM

If my source is correct, here is a very very young Uncle Joe Ligambi..


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:35 PM

I have been trying to put a face to the name of Robert Ranieri.. The guy who worked for Staino and told the undercover fbi agent not to fuck with staino.. And finally after about 2 years I found some,,
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:41 PM

Robert Ranieri in 2008


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:43 PM

Ranieri 2011


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 04:44 PM

Robert Ranieri 2012


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Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 05:05 PM

Nice work HS as always. Trial starts at 930 on Monday morning.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 05:07 PM

cant wait to hear what happens tomorow.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 07:35 PM

I thought ligambi was born old
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/29/13 10:36 PM

Right Ligambi just seems like hes been an old man his whole life
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 02:52 PM

You know Handsome Stevie I think what you do is great.I've heard in the past respect these guys privacy and all that,but after reading about someone for so long its just human nature that your curious as to what they look like.Its so harmless,anyway keep up the good work.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 04:03 PM



Young Phil Narducci, never seen this picture of him.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 04:04 PM

I believe if ur a criminal u have no rights to privacy
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 04:14 PM

can you reup some of the photos
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 04:41 PM

Uncle Joe looks pretty young/ thin in the pics of him doing the perp walk with Nicky back in the 70's.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 05:09 PM

Uncle Joe present day is much thinner than some if the Fox News videos. Being in the can recently must have helped - he looks healthy today.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 05:37 PM

I wish I was back east right now I'd totally sit in. How does Joe and Georgie look behind the desk, pretty laid back? It'd be worth the 3 hour trip.
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino


Young Phil Narducci, never seen this picture of him.


That's one uglyfella! If he said to me who are you? You know who I am. I'd pull out my glock and go BANG BANG BANG !!
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 05:43 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Robert Ranieri 2012


These two pictures HStevie remind me of the sopranos episode when Tony cracks a joke about vito and bobby b standing next to one another " Before and after, like weight watchers " lmao
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 05:59 PM

Nah nah nah… it's "Check it out, it's before... and wayyyyyy before!"
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 10:12 PM

Yeah frank - uncle joe an Georgie are real calm during the trial. Joe is lean and fit looking - Georgie been hitting the weights - big upper body - wearing glasses , shaved head and young looking. today must have been good in court - couldn't make it myself- tomorrow is probably closed too. One thing about the trial - they take plenty of breaks during testimony and they are usually longer than planned - 20 mins rather than 10.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 10:20 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
One thing about the trial - they take plenty of breaks during testimony and they are usually longer than planned - 20 mins rather than 10.


Well I'm glad to hear that the Government respects the time of the 11 jurors that have given up months of their time to this thing.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/30/13 11:19 PM

Longer breaks than usual. The court system does not care for the jurors unless one is in immediate danger. I wonder what is going on. Borgesi and Ligambi were said to be real calm almost showing no emotion at all.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 01:36 AM

no everything is par for the course - trial wise. They just take their time . It painfully slow and if Georgie doesn't walk after this whole ordeal it's a shame
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 04:27 AM

Mob-trial witness calls 'Bent Finger Lou' a braggart


Jeremy Roebuck, Inquirer Staff Writer
December 30, 2013,

PHILADELPHIA By 2011, federal agents wanted Louis Monacello locked in a prison cell. His Mafia colleagues wanted him in his grave.

Despite those mounting threats, the mob associate known as "Bent Finger Lou" felt confident that he could work even that dire outlook to his benefit, his former neighbor testified Monday.

"No matter what happens, he said he was going to get a book deal out of it, or go on TV or something. Other mob guys had done it before," said Jerry Davis, a longtime Philadelphia City Council aide who lived next door to Monacello for years.

Davis' testimony came as defense lawyers began their assault Monday on key government witnesses in the racketeering retrial of reputed Philadelphia mob boss Joseph Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi.


At the top of their list stood Monacello, a former Borgesi soldier turned mouthy FBI cooperator who provided some of the most colorful testimony against his former colleagues over four days last month.
Monacello had told jurors that Ligambi and Borgesi oversaw a criminal network that controlled illegal gambling and loan-sharking across the region. Defense lawyers unleashed a host of witnesses primed to expose cracks in his testimony.

Davis, longtime driver for Anna C. Verna when she was City Council president, said he socialized three to four times a week with Monacello. When it came to Ligambi, Monacello rarely minced words, Davis said.

"I hate him with a passion. You don't know how much I hate him," Davis recalled his neighbor's saying.

Monacello also bragged about throwing around Borgesi's name without his knowledge "because he could get whatever he wanted," Davis testified.

"Louie thought he should be running the mob," Davis said.

But the relationship between the Council aide and the mob figure soured in 2011, soon after Monacello was arrested along with Borgesi, Ligambi, and other mob defendants.

Monacello asked Davis to retrieve a loaded revolver hidden in the floor of his home. Davis agreed, but immediately had second thoughts, he said.

He told jurors he eventually turned the firearm over to the mob figure's mother.

Prosecutors seized on that decision in cross-examination, challenging Davis on his failure to report the incident to police or his bosses at City Hall.

"Did you ever tell Anna Verna that you were hanging out and drinking with a vicious criminal who bragged about how he wanted to be the head of the Philadelphia mob?" asked Frank Labor, an assistant U.S. attorney.

Davis, who now works as an administrative services coordinator for Council, said no. He also denied using Verna's car to pick up Monacello after an earlier release from jail.

Despite persistent questioning, Davis gave no credence to allegations his testimony was prompted by lingering resentment from a lawsuit Monacello filed against Davis' wife last year in a fight over a dining room furniture set.

"You're still angry, aren't you?" Labor insisted.

Davis shot back: "You'd like to think so, wouldn't you?"

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201312...o_the_boss.html
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 06:45 AM

Are they in trial tomorrow ?
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 02:33 PM

Thanks alot. Its not easy getting those pictures as i spend probably 5 hours every morning trying to find more interesting stuff and pictures.. and your def right it is human nature.. they are criminals and the world should know who they are, and i know there are a lot of people just as curious as me.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 04:45 PM

What's the name of this s. philly club?

Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 05:54 PM

Not sure about that club I'm sure someone on here knows though .. Trial took half day today .. Everyone clearing out for New Years
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 06:43 PM

Defense begins its case in mob racketeering retrial

December 31, 2013

AFTER MORE than six weeks of testimony by 28 witnesses, numerous audio recordings and photos of alleged mobsters in dress suits and swimsuits, prosecutors in the federal racketeering retrial of reputed mob boss Joseph Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi rested their case yesterday.

Then it was the defense's turn to try to discredit some of those witnesses.

First up was Jerry Davis, a City Council staffer who works for Council President Darrell Clarke and previously served as a driver for Anna Verna when she was Council president.

Davis, 55, testified that he had socialized with Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello from 2005 to 2011, when they were next-door neighbors on 18th Street near Forrestal, south of Packer Avenue, in South Philadelphia.

Monacello, 47, a star witness for the prosecution and a former mob associate who had been pals with Borgesi, had told jurors about times when Borgesi, 50, his former captain, had used violence or the threat of violence to collect money in illegal bookmaking operations, had beaten up another mob associate, Angelo Lutz, and had claimed to be responsible for 11 murders.

Edwin Jacobs Jr., the attorney for Ligambi, 74, tried to show that Monacello wasn't trustworthy.

Davis testified that in 2012, Monacello - who by then had moved to Ventnor, N.J. - asked him to go to his South Philly house to pick up a bag. Davis said he found a trash bag in a hole in a closet and later saw that it contained a loaded .38-caliber revolver.

Davis said he was nervous and didn't know what to do. He didn't give the gun to the man who Monacello wanted to receive it. The next day, with Monacello's mother banging on his door, he told his wife to give the gun to her.

Davis said that when he and Monacello had hung out together, Monacello had talked about the mob and had made disparaging remarks about its leadership.

Monacello "thought he should be running the mob," Davis said. "He said they don't know what they're doing."

Asked if Monacello ever talked about Ligambi, Davis - mimicking Monacello by putting his hands together in the shape of a gun - testified that Monacello would point toward Ligambi's home and say, "I hate him with a passion."

In his cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor asked Davis if he knew that the gun he retrieved from Monacello's home was the retired service weapon of Monacello's father, who had been a Philly cop. Davis said he did not know that.

The defense yesterday also called to the stand five FBI agents, whom it had subpoenaed. Jacobs asked Special Agent Eric Ruona about a March 2003 debriefing he had with another cooperating witness, Anthony Aponick, 42, an associate with a New York crime family.

Aponick at the time was sharing a federal prison cell with Borgesi in Beckley, W. Va. He had reached out to the FBI the year before to become a confidential informant.

"Did Anthony Aponick tell you Joe Ligambi was no longer the head of the Philadelphia mob and the Gambino family in New York installed a new capo?" Jacobs asked Ruona.

Ruona agreed that Aponick had told him that.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
What's the name of this s. philly club?



Looks like La Casa di Pazzo on Federal street.
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 06:59 PM


Monacello "thought he should be running the mob," Davis said. "He said they don't know what they're doing."

Well, looks like Bent Finger Lou got that one right.
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 07:11 PM


"Did Anthony Aponick tell you Joe Ligambi was no longer the head of the Philadelphia mob and the Gambino family in New York installed a new capo?" Jacobs asked Ruona.

I'm no lawyer, but does Jacobs think that this helps Uncle Joe? Kinda' sounds like it hurts him to me.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: LuckyDucky

"Did Anthony Aponick tell you Joe Ligambi was no longer the head of the Philadelphia mob and the Gambino family in New York installed a new capo?" Jacobs asked Ruona.

I'm no lawyer, but does Jacobs think that this helps Uncle Joe? Kinda' sounds like it hurts him to me.


It helps him on the conspiracy charge. The Government has been trying to show that he was in charge of the enterprise and profiting from the actions of others. The Feds don't have him on tape accepting any payments so it's vital to prove that he was in charge. Then they can show the structure of LCN and how payments work. This may be his best defense to the conspiracy charge, as well as discrediting the witnesses.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 08:01 PM

@Lucky

Eddie Jacobs intelligently set out at the beginning of this trial that there is no crime in being a member of Cosa Nostra. There IS a crime in committing criminal acts and being a part of an ongoing criminal conspiracy. Words like "Gambino", "Boss", "Capo", "Mafia", etc. aren't a crime.

I was impressed with this admission. I'm surprised so many attorneys have glossed over this by futilely saying "There is no mafia".
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 08:40 PM

does anyone know who the guy at the doorway to the social club is? theres alot of social clubs in south philly but i know theyre not all involved in criminal acts.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
does anyone know who the guy at the doorway to the social club is? theres alot of social clubs in south philly but i know theyre not all involved in criminal acts.

Not sure but if you google the place it's owned by some guy named Tom Coletti. I don't think it's a mob club,
just a neighborhood spot.

http://www.southphillyreview.com/news/Prep_Charter_pupils_gift_of_giving-234496541.html?printView=y

Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 10:31 PM

New Year's Eve At The Mob Trial

Tuesday, December 31, 2013

By Ralph Cipriano
for Bigtrial.net

"It's New Year's Eve," "Uncle Joe" Ligambi yelled at one of the feds. "What are you doing here? You should be getting ready for tonight's parties."

For a guy stuck in jail on the holidays, the boss of the Philadelphia mob was in surprisingly good spirits today.

The prosecution had wound up its case, and the defense was putting on its witnesses. They included a former car dealer who once sold Uncle Joe a Cadillac, and a gambling expert who tried to show that some of the gamblers overheard on federal surveillance tapes were actually part of somebody else's bookmaking operation, and not Uncle Joe's.

It was a half-day for the mob trial on New Year's Eve, as the judge and lawyers in the case knocked off early, but not before they talked about scheduling. It looks like the defense will wind up its case on Thursday by calling "Frankie The Fixer" DiGiacomo, a former government witness.

At the first mob trial, DiGiacomo, a South Philly plumber and wannabe wise guy, sounded more like a defense witness last year when he described Uncle Joe and his co-defendants as "good people, great people." Frankie the Fixer also ripped fellow government witness "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello as somebody who "should have been dead a long time ago."

Judge Eduardo Robreno said he expected closing statements on Monday and Tuesday, and then, after the judge delivers his charge on Tuesday afternoon, the case will go to the jury.

Ligambi greeted the defense's first witness today, Patrick W. Ferraro, by telling him, "You look like a judge," and "I like that white on white shirt."

Ferraro is the father of Alyson Borgesi, the wife of George Borgesi, Ligambi's nephew and co-defendant.

Before court got started, Ligambi made small talk with the Ferraro, swapped jokes with the feds, and commiserated with his lawyer, Eddie Jacobs, about Jacobs' back problems.

The veteran defense lawyer has a herniated disc. He seems in obvious pain as he hobbled around on a cane, and stood while court was in session. But a back operation will have to wait until the mob trial is over.

Jacobs told Ligambi it was time to start interviewing surgeons. "I don't want to be walking around this in June," Jacobs told his client.

When Ferraro took the witness stand, he described how the FBI showed up at his former car dealership in Delaware County about ten years ago, looking for records of sales to Ligambi, Borgesi and Monacello. Ferraro said he told his employees to give the feds whatever records they wanted.

On cross-examination, Ferraro admitted he gave all three mobsters a discount. But hey, it was no big deal.

"I give everybody a discount," Ferraro told the prosecutor. "I was the only Cadillac dealership in Delaware County. Everyone came to us."

When defense lawyer Christopher Warren got another crack at Ferraro, he asked if there was anything crooked about those car deals a decade ago involving Ligambi, Borgesi and Monacello, he'd have probably heard about by now, right?

Objection, said the prosecutor.

Sustained, said the judge.

The next defense witness was Donald Fredericks, a mustachioed former Pennsylvania state trooper and private eye who's an expert on sports betting. As part of his role as a defense expert, Fredericks told the jury that he listened to some 3,000 government surveillance tapes.

Fredericks was asked to explain to the jury how a betting line works. He brought up Saturday night's playoff game between the Philadelphia Eagles and the New Orleans Saints.

Right now, the Eagles are favored by two points, Fredericks told the jury.

"You want to bet on New Orleans? New Orleans already has two points," Fredericks explained.

Fredericks was quizzed about several wiretapped conversations involving Damion Canalichio, a former mob enforcer who was sentenced in July at the last mob trial to 137 months in prison after he was convicted for racketeering and conspiracy.

"I'm more into collections," Canalichio told an undercover FBI agent posing as a gambler on one surveillance tape, a transcript of which was displayed in court. "That's my thing."

"You pay your fucking debts," Canalichio was overheard telling a delinquent bettor. "You understand?"

The point seemed to be that Canalichio had said on another surveillance tape that "This is Stevie's money," referring to mobster Steve Mazzone, who's not charged in the case. Not Uncle Joe's money.

During a break, Ligambi quizzed one of the feds about some other local bookmaking action.

"You bet the Eagles?" Ligambi asked with a knowing smile about the home team's narrow two-point win last Sunday over the Cowboys.

The Eagles were favored by 6 1/2.

"It hurts," replied the fed.

Meanwhile, Borgesi was talking about lunch.

"The pizza," he said to Uncle Joe. "That's all I care about."

The judge told the jury they might have to call in on an inclement weather hotline on Thursday to see if court will go on as scheduled, in the face of a forecast calling for snow.

With that warning, and an admonition not to read any trial coverage in the media, the judge send the jury of 14 women and 2 men home for the holiday.

"See you Thursday at our regular time, God willing," the judge said. "And Happy New Year."

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/12/new-yea ... DcpLyW6.99
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 10:42 PM

Thursday should be good with the Fixer taking the stand .. I wonder how many times a witness has switched sides like this ..
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 10:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Thursday should be good with the Fixer taking the stand .. I wonder how many times a witness has switched sides like this ..


ya thats pretty rare, the defense calling a govt rat as one of their witnesses. but technically the defense can subpoena anyone they want that is pertinent to the case, kinda like how the other day they had those feds up there on witness stand called by defense. lol at the fixer saying monacello shouldve been dead a long time ago, doesnt seem to many people had a lot of respect for "fuck finger lou".
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 12/31/13 11:09 PM

I'll try to get to the trial on Thursday but my job may get in the way. For you non Philly crew - New Year's Day is bigger than New Year's Eve with the mummers parade and 2 street parties. Lots of wiseguys head down that way tomorrow afternoon. All bars open very early.
Either way I'll report back if I make the trial.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 04:03 AM

Do u guys think it's true that uncle Joe was replaced as boss and the gambino ' is still hand picking Phillips adminastration?
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 07:17 AM

Gambinos aren't handpicking anything for Philly period.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 03:10 PM

I wish I was in Philly to watch the mummers parade. All you Philly guys, now is the time to bust out your camera and go get some good pics of mazzone and all his guys!! Guarantee there all outside right now!!
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 05:06 PM

Stevie - I'll be down on 2 street and doing the south Philly passyunk tour - the best I can describe it to non Philly guys is it's like burboun street for the day .. And I'll look out for Stevie and his crew - they likely hang out at broadway theatrical club today though members only
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
I wish I was in Philly to watch the mummers parade. All you Philly guys, now is the time to bust out your camera and go get some good pics of mazzone and all his guys!! Guarantee there all outside right now!!


I'm getting ready to head over there now.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 06:03 PM

Mummers showing up at paddy wacks on south street
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 06:28 PM

I'm too hungover today to venture into the city. Fml
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 06:45 PM

this is probably like the 3rd time in 27 years that I have missed it. Parade is alright but I enjoy seeing everyone and having a good time. especially tonight on 2 street, i want to jump in the car right now but dont get paid til tomorrow. 2 street is always a blast no matter what age you are..
Anyway that would be pretty cool if anybody got a few shots of stevie and the rest of the crew but probably wont happen. I was reading comments on BigTrial.net last night and people were saying Mazzone and Lance are rats because they didnt get indicted with the rest of the guys. They said since canalicho and the other guy were part of mazzones sports book then mazzone shouldve got indicted too. But I dont think they can really prove it or otherwise he would of been hit too.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 07:14 PM

On 2 street right now and it's going off - no f'n way Stevie is a rat / he's as stand up as you get. Handsome - I'll be looking around but their social clubs are Deep South and not really near the action today -
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 07:40 PM

Pictures for what reason? That's their problem, always looking for media attention.
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/01/14 07:43 PM

Hope Joe walks, hope freckles gets his salad tossed
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 12:05 PM

I wonder if it it psychology to be locked up at the federal building instesd of a federal prison.By that I mean even though they don't have their freedom its like they look out the window and see familiar sites.Family is only minutes away.To me it just seemed unusual the way they said Ligambi was joking with the feds about gambling and how the only thing on Borgesi's mind was the pizza for lunch.I think Borgesi will walk but he has to be concerned that if he doesn't it will have been like he got a life sentence back in 2001 instead of 14 years.I'm not saying they should walk around with attitudes but if they do get jammed up then their out in the heartland of America or way down south where it seems like it would be very lonely.
Posted By: Extortion

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
I wonder if it it psychology to be locked up at the federal building instesd of a federal prison.By that I mean even though they don't have their freedom its like they look out the window and see familiar sites.Family is only minutes away.To me it just seemed unusual the way they said Ligambi was joking with the feds about gambling and how the only thing on Borgesi's mind was the pizza for lunch.I think Borgesi will walk but he has to be concerned that if he doesn't it will have been like he got a life sentence back in 2001 instead of 14 years.I'm not saying they should walk around with attitudes but if they do get jammed up then their out in the heartland of America or way down south where it seems like it would be very lonely.


Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.
Posted By: mike68

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 02:44 PM

Quote:

Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Don't even go into the Boston thread then. Some guys don't even space between words(mostly misspelled). And punctuation?Fuhgeddaboutit(did I spell that wrong??)!!
Posted By: Extortion

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 03:22 PM

Originally Posted By: mike68
Quote:

Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Don't even go into the Boston thread then. Some guys don't even space between words(mostly misspelled). And punctuation?Fuhgeddaboutit(did I spell that wrong??)!!


Yeah, that one is BAD. So much knuckle dragging going on in that thread.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 03:39 PM

I am not real good on computers,I have been on some sites for 5 years and nobody has ever said anything,not to say it's right, even been on here for a long time and this is a first.Ok I'm going to try this. I at least spell ok and try to use punctuation when necessary. Is that what you mean,end the sentence and then it the space bar twice?
Posted By: carmela

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Extortion
Originally Posted By: 22
I wonder if it it psychology to be locked up at the federal building instesd of a federal prison.By that I mean even though they don't have their freedom its like they look out the window and see familiar sites.Family is only minutes away.To me it just seemed unusual the way they said Ligambi was joking with the feds about gambling and how the only thing on Borgesi's mind was the pizza for lunch.I think Borgesi will walk but he has to be concerned that if he doesn't it will have been like he got a life sentence back in 2001 instead of 14 years.I'm not saying they should walk around with attitudes but if they do get jammed up then their out in the heartland of America or way down south where it seems like it would be very lonely.


Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Seriously, all the other crap going on and you're busting the guy's hump about making 2 spaces at the end of sentences? Try harder, I think you'll be able to understand what he's saying. I've been reading 22's posts for years and never had a problem. Find something else to spend your time worrying about.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 04:00 PM

Thanks Carmela
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 04:05 PM

Pictures for the reason of curiosity.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 04:05 PM

Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: Extortion
Originally Posted By: 22
I wonder if it it psychology to be locked up at the federal building instesd of a federal prison.By that I mean even though they don't have their freedom its like they look out the window and see familiar sites.Family is only minutes away.To me it just seemed unusual the way they said Ligambi was joking with the feds about gambling and how the only thing on Borgesi's mind was the pizza for lunch.I think Borgesi will walk but he has to be concerned that if he doesn't it will have been like he got a life sentence back in 2001 instead of 14 years.I'm not saying they should walk around with attitudes but if they do get jammed up then their out in the heartland of America or way down south where it seems like it would be very lonely.


Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Seriously, all the other crap going on and you're busting the guy's hump about making 2 spaces at the end of sentences? Try harder, I think you'll be able to understand what he's saying. I've been reading 22's posts for years and never had a problem. Find something else to spend your time worrying about.




well put, agree 100%...always enjoy reading 22 especially about philly
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 04:17 PM

ALSO agreed 100%.I also enjoy your contributions 22.and i will never double space after a sentence.ever.lol.

Anyway 22 I know what you mean. If I was Borgesi I would be focusing on wtf I was gonna do. Being in Philly for them must be pretty sweet given all there family and friends are only a couple miles away. They probably get plenty of visitors, atleast the max your aloud. West Virginia is a few hour hike from Philly but shit if they go to Atlanta or Arizona or anything far there not gonna be getting too many visitors period. I am not sure how this trial is going to end. I would think they both are not guilty, or if anything Ligambi walks and Borgesi gets some more years.
Posted By: Extortion

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 04:19 PM

Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: Extortion
Originally Posted By: 22
I wonder if it it psychology to be locked up at the federal building instesd of a federal prison.By that I mean even though they don't have their freedom its like they look out the window and see familiar sites.Family is only minutes away.To me it just seemed unusual the way they said Ligambi was joking with the feds about gambling and how the only thing on Borgesi's mind was the pizza for lunch.I think Borgesi will walk but he has to be concerned that if he doesn't it will have been like he got a life sentence back in 2001 instead of 14 years.I'm not saying they should walk around with attitudes but if they do get jammed up then their out in the heartland of America or way down south where it seems like it would be very lonely.


Ever heard of two spaces after you end a sentence? Just curious never seen anyone purposely type like this, makes it hard to read/view.


Seriously, all the other crap going on and you're busting the guy's hump about making 2 spaces at the end of sentences? Try harder, I think you'll be able to understand what he's saying. I've been reading 22's posts for years and never had a problem. Find something else to spend your time worrying about.


Yes, I am so worried. lol

also had nothing to do with his contributions at all so stop making it look like it was a personal attack? settle down people.
Posted By: marine

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 06:48 PM

you ahigh shcool prniciapl??staitaziet an turn up your Zoom......Lol. I know you already been told but when I seen that I had to say sumthin..my man always has good post.. Their been lots of good post lately by everybody.. and real good pics lately by handsome steve.. Steve must know somebody to have those pics..And i thought I heard Ny was trying to have some say in philly operations..I think they have as much say as little joey right now.. that is NONE..
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 06:52 PM

Man I just saw all of these comments,I really appreciate everyone's input.That made me feel good.Thanks again everybody.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 09:25 PM

New article posted on the fixers testimony today. Didn't sound too good on Philly.com for joe and Georgie but we'll see what bigtrial says. It sounded like the defense rested today.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 09:31 PM

Thursday, January 2, 2014

Frankie The Fixer's Encore Not As Sweet For The Defense


By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


Frankie the Fixer changed his tune.

And the music wasn't quite as sweet for the defense in the racketeering retrial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew, George Borgesi.

A government informant whom the prosecution opted not to call this time, Frank DiGiacomo, 49, appeared took the stand today as the final defense witness in the eight-week old trial that is expected to go to the jury on Monday.

While DiGiacomo, an admitted con man, hustler and mob enforcer, helped the defense with his testimony in the first trial last year, his performance this morning was a mixed bag, not as pointedly hostile toward key government witness Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and on occasion damaging to Ligambi and Borgesi.

Last year, much to the prosecution's chagrin, DiGiacomo discredited Monacello and undermined much of his testimony. This time, while still labeling his former mob associate as a "greedy," sneaky and dangerous individual, he emphasized that both he and Monacello worked for and reported to Borgesi and Ligambi.


"I never called him boss," DiGiacomo said of his relationship with Monacello, a statement that was contradictory his testimony in the first trial.

"That was my boss, right there," he added, pointing to the 74-year-old Ligambi seated at the defense table.

He also testified that Monacello told him that the profits from a loansharking operation they were running for Borgesi would be split among the three of them, each receiving 10 percent. And he said that Monacello told him that he, Monacello, "was handling" a lucrative sports betting and loansharking business "for Georgie" and that "all orders came from Joe."

The decision to call DiGiacomo as a witness may backfire on the defense since his testimony in many ways supported the testimony of Monacello and Anthony Aponick, two other Borgesi associates who testified that Borgesi was running a gambling and loanshark business from behind bars.

Borgesi, 50, was convicted in an unrelated racketeering case and sentenced to 14 years in prisoin in 2001.

DiGiacomo, 49, began cooperating with the FBI and the Pennsylvania State Police in 2007. He wore a body wire and recorded dozens of conversations that were used in large part to convict Monacello, 46, on state charges for which he was sentenced to less than two years.

DiGiacomo said he was Monacello's associate and muscle from 1998 until Monacello's arrest in the state case in 2008. He described Monacello as a blowhard who often dropped Borgesi's name, but his testimony lacked the bite that it had in the first trial where he described Monacello as someone who had bragged that "This is my crew and I'm the boss."

In that first trial, DiGiacomo also testified that Monacello relentlessly squeezed him for money and also contradicted other parts of Monacello's testimony. Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, who called DiGiacomo as a witness, challenged him several times today on the seeming contradictions between what he was saying on the stand and what he had said last year.

Some examples:

Today DiGiacomo said that Monacello went to visit Borgesi in prison about twice year. That's consistent with prison records and Monacello's testimony. Last year he said Monacello told him he visited Borgesi every other month, or about six times a year.

In the first trial, DiGiacomo said he knew very little about money that Monacello was funneling to Borgesi through Borgesi's wife. This time he said he was required to kick in $200-a-month and that cash was given to Alyson Borgesi on a monthly basis.

"Lou collected it," said DiGiacomo who told the jury this morning that he believed another friend, Sal Zangari, delivered the money. He said he knew nothing of Monacello's claim that he, Monacello, dropped an envelope of cash in the glove compartment of Alyson Borgesi's car, but insisted that cash was given to her as Borgesi's share in their illegal activities.

Dressed in a brown suit, white shirt and bronze tie, DiGiacomo spent less than an hour on the stand. He said he has been relocated and is a candidate for the Witness Protection Program. He was questioned by Warren, but Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., opted not to ask any questions.

In the first trial, DiGiacomo described the mobsters he associated with as "good guys" who were fun to hang out with and he described himself as someone who had "betrayed" his friends by becoming a government informant.

His story today was more matter-of-fact and lacked the poignancy and personal deprecation. He said he became a cooperator because he was deeply in debt to several mobsters and couldn't repay the money.

Asked by Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han if he feared for his life, DiGiacomo responded, "Yes...There was no more options, no more choices."

That response goes to one of the key issues in the prosecution case -- the position that the mob's reputation for violence, even when not violence was committed, was a prime factor in controlling the criminal underworld. On several occasions he also testified that Ligambi was the boss and that he, DiGiacomo, worked in a crew being run by Monacello but controlled by Borgesi.

Those comments also go to the heart of the racketeering conspiracy charge that both Ligambi and Borgesi face. They were never as clearly stated by DiGiacomo in the first trial.

Judge Eduardo Robreno has scheduled closing arguments in the case for Monday morning. They are expected to take about a day and a half. Robreno hopes to charge the jury on the law Tuesday afternoon. It was unclear if deliberations would begin them on Wednesday morning.

Borgesi was acquitted of 13 of the 14 counts he faced in the first trial. In this trial, the government case appears to hinge entirely on whether the anonymously chosen jury panel believes the testimony of Monacello and Aponick.

While DiGiacomo, as a government witness, went a long way toward discrediting Monacello in that first trial (Aponick was not called as a witness), his testimony today fell far short of that. Ironically, as a government witness last year, DiGiacomo may have aided the defense. This time, as a defense witness, he may have help prop up the prosecution's case.

But until the jury comes back with its verdict, that is merely courtroom speculation.

DiGiacomo conceded under questioning from Warren that pressure from Monacello, to whom he also owed money, was a factor in his decision to cooperate. .

"The greed got out of control," he said of Monacello.

Then, pointing to the prosecution table, he added, "That's why I'm with these guys today."

http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/frankie-fixers-encore-not-as-sweet-for.html
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 09:37 PM

In court, 'Frankie the Fixer' describes collecting loan-sharking debts

As a government witness in Joseph Ligambi's first trial in 2012, Francis "Frankie the Fixer" DiGiacomo underwhelmed, declaring the reputed Philadelphia mob boss and his associates "great people" and characterizing another star government cooperator as a "sneaky" liar.

But as he returned to the witness stand Thursday - this time as a witness for the defense - DiGiacomo didn't do his former mob colleagues many favors, either.

"That was my boss, right there," he said pointing to Ligambi across the courtroom.

DiGiacomo's testimony Thursday came on the final day of evidence in the racketeering retrial of Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi.

Prosecutors will have one last shot Monday to convince jurors that the two oversaw a loan-sharking and illegal gambling racket before the panel is expected to begin deliberations next week.

While DiGiacomo's testimony may have sewn confusion for the previous jury, which deadlocked on the most serious charges against the two mob leaders last year, on Thursday he left little doubt who he believed he was working for.

"We were doing it for George, and had to take all orders from Joe," he said.

DiGiacomo, a 49-year-old plumber by trade, a mob debt-collector by talent, said he worked as a member of Borgesi's crew for years, collecting payments from loan-sharking debtors using threats and sometimes actual acts of violence.

That is until his own debts threatened his position within the mob.

Fearing for his life, he turned to federal agents for help in 2007 and began recording his dealings with Borgesi's No. 2 - Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello. He is now in the federal witness protection program.

"I didn't have no more options," he said Thursday. "No more choices."

In dozens of tapes played for jurors during the past two months, DiGiacomo and Monacello hashed out the day-to-day frustrations of managing the sports bookmaking and loan-sharking operations. Monacello said he took over for Borgesi, after Borgesi was sentenced on a 2000 federal racketeering charge.

Borgesi contends he had no involvement in or knowledge of the crimes Monacello was committing in his name. His lawyer, Christopher Warren, came to court Thursday hoping for a repeat of DiGiacomo's defense-friendly testimony in 2012.

But despite repeated questioning about whether Monacello might simply been throwing their former boss' name around, DiGiacomo stuck to his story.

He submitted payments to Monacello, who gave them to a third man to pass on to Borgesi's wife, in cash-stuffed envelopes, he said.

Who did that money ultimately benefit? Assistant U.S. Attorney John S. Han asked.

"Georgie," DiGiacomo said.

Under cross-examination, DiGiacomo also said he had spoken directly with Ligambi about the loan-sharking business.

Still, the plumber conceded he had no direct communication with the imprisoned Borgesi and dealt primarily with Monacello.

In more than a year since the last trial, Monacello did not appear to have risen much in DiGiacomo's estimation.

DiGiacomo's cooperation helped send Monacello to prison on state racketeering charges in 2008 and led to his indictment a year later, along with Ligambi and Borgesi in the current federal case.

Again, the plumber described his former associate as "greedy" and "very sneaky."

As for everyone else, they may be the "great people" DiGiacomo described last time around, but, as his testimony came to a close Thursday, he reiterated he always knew the mob's pecking order.

"I knew Joe was the boss," he said. "And I knew what Georgie was."
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 09:38 PM

Sorry Vito...didn't see you already posted the article.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 10:32 PM

Damn. I didn't think it was gonna turn out good by calling The Fixer up. They took a risk with that one. But its just hearsay. Can't wait til next week to see what happens.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 10:43 PM

I think that was a major mistake putting the Fixer on. He gave up Joe as the Boss and that he did collections for Georgie. He just made the government case as a Defense witness. What could Jacobs had been thinking. IMO
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/02/14 11:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
I think that was a major mistake putting the Fixer on. He gave up Joe as the Boss and that he did collections for Georgie. He just made the government case as a Defense witness. What could Jacobs had been thinking. IMO


Jacobs didn't call him. Warren did. Jacobs didn't even ask him any questions.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/03/14 02:41 AM

Lawyer job is to create doubt and that goal was accomplished, the fixer said he became an informant to keep from paying back money, that makes everything he say untrustworthy, there's no evidence linking Joe or George to anything, but on the other hand a lot of mobsters is doing time not because of evidence but because the jury be lived the story so we will see
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/03/14 03:50 AM

Don't let the media spin on his testimony fool you. He said flat out "I had no other choice" I think that helps the defense
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/03/14 06:09 AM

One minute I think they are going to walk and then I go back to thinking they won't.They said last time the conspiracy charge wasn't explained right.I think this time they made it clear that if you had any gain from this or it benefitted you in anyway you were part of it.I do think a lot of the informants testimonies might have been trumped up or maybe not even true but you would think the jury would have have to think Borgesi and Uncle Joe had some kind of connection to it.I'm sure a lot of what they said is true.Probably an over said statement but it's going to come down to whoever the jury believes.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/03/14 02:29 PM

The Fixer just sank these 2....bad idea for Warren to call him
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/03/14 02:29 PM

you would think Warren would have prepped Digiacomo? weird
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/03/14 03:02 PM

must have been uncomfortable in the courtroom for the defense and supporters and warren. He must have asked Georgie if he wanted to call him or not. I still put this one in the defense favor .. lots of hearsay involved from guys looking for breaks and very suspect ones at that.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/03/14 04:13 PM

What I don't understand is ''The Fixer''said he had no way out so he turns to the Feds to get out from under his debt and be re-located.But yet during the 1st trial he basically had nothing but good things to say about the defendants and he bad-mouthed Monacello.Wasn't he supposed to be working for the government? This time he seemed more like a government witness,but after that 1st trial if I was his handlers I would have told him to hit the road if your on their side.He seemed to be playing both sides of the fence.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/03/14 04:16 PM

I think the era of juries believing everything a turncoat says is coming to an end, the public is so saturated with rats that the potential juror is becoming disgusted with them, now the feds will be forced to do real work and present real evidence in order to gain a conviction
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/05/14 03:57 AM

Wonder how much the Philly books took on this eagles game ... if they lay off any to New York or other books ... Probably very big action in south Philly - Stevie is either gonna do very well or bad .. Either way Stevie and Sonny make their money this playoff season
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/05/14 04:48 AM

I bet ya they lost money to that chiefs game cause i know thats the mazzones team
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/05/14 04:49 AM

I bet ya they lost money to that chiefs game cause i know thats the mazzones team
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/05/14 05:00 AM

If they were smart they grabbed kc @ at least +1 probably +1.5-2.5
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/05/14 05:00 AM

Also I'm sure the "public" in SP was all over the birds
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/05/14 01:28 PM

Mob-trial prosecutors seek to bar defense claims

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Reputed Philadelphia mob boss Joe Ligambi, left, and his nephew, George Borgesi, right, are charged with bookmaking and illegal video gambling. (File photos)


JEREMY ROEBUCK, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
POSTED: Sunday, January 5, 2014, 2:01 AM


PHILADELPHIA Two of Philadelphia's top reputed mob dons have done their best during the last two months to paint the federal case against them as nothing more than the "cobbled together" result of 13 years of squandered investigatory resources.

But if prosecutors have anything to say about it, they won't have a chance to make that argument again.

As both sides prepare to make their final pitch to jurors Monday, government lawyers are seeking to bar defense attorneys for Joseph Ligambi and George Borgesi from repeating what they describe as inaccurate and improper claims.

In disparaging the government's case against their clients, the defense team has all but asked jurors to "ignore the evidence" and "base [their] verdict on an emotional response" to the plight of the made men, Assistant U.S. Attorneys Frank Labor and John Han said in court filings Thursday. They described the defense claims as an "unabashed and highly improper appeal to juror sympathy."

"Despite 11,000 intercepts, 40 search warrants, and countless hours of visual surveillance over the course of more than a decade, the government has failed to develop a case," defense lawyer Michael F. Myers wrote in court filings Friday. "The point is lack of evidence."

The eleventh-hour spat comes amid what has become a frequent defense theme throughout Ligambi's retrial on racketeering conspiracy charges.

Prosecutors allege that Ligambi, 74, oversaw the mob's wide-ranging illegal gambling and loan-sharking rackets across the Philadelphia area and that Borgesi, his nephew and purported consigliere, stood by his side. If convicted, both men face potential life sentences.

Defense lawyer Edwin Jacobs Jr. has repeatedly depicted Ligambi as the victim of an FBI witch-hunt and derided the charges against him as picayune when compared with the violence-filled cases that brought down the city's previous mob dons.

"Why are these charges here at all?" he asked during his opening statement to jurors Nov. 7. "The federal government had to charge something to justify the enormous allocation of government time and resources and money."

He added: "This case is a misuse of 13 years of investigation [of Ligambi], which cleared us of wrongdoing."

For his part, Borgesi, 50, has centered his defense on his prior conviction on racketeering charges. He was sentenced to federal prison in 2000 and has remained behind bars ever since.

The government contends he continued to run illegal rackets from prison. But his lawyer, Christopher Warren, has maintained that Borgesi learned his lesson the first time and is no longer criminally involved with his mob brothers.

"You don't keep getting to lock somebody up again and again for the same thing," he said in November. "He has been trying to get out and back to his family - that's family with a lowercase F."

In filings Thursday, prosecutors insisted that, Warren's portrayal of his client notwithstanding, he is guilty of the charges against him.

"Nothing could be further from the truth," Myers responded on Borgesi's behalf. "Instead, defense counsel merely explained why a so-called career criminal like Borgesi would 'hang up the towel.' "

U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno is expected to issue a ruling before the trial resumes Monday on whether the defense can reprise those arguments.




Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201401...FKO0VY5MYtEd.99
Posted By: azguy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/05/14 03:40 PM

I don't think these guys are gonna walk this time. That was a bad witness for both of them...
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/05/14 04:18 PM

yea game over. who knows they might get lucky.
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/05/14 05:10 PM

Just a very bizarre witness for the defense to call. But, it's not like the prosecution did any better. This whole trial is very weak and has been given very little local publicity, aside from the standard newspaper articles. Years ago, this stuff was plastered all over the TV. It goes to show what kind of joke it's become.

To say that these jurors have no preconceived notions about the defendants, or prior knowledge of the mob is just plain silly. And that's what it's gonna come down to... What these 10 ladies and 2 guys thhought about Ligambi and Borgesi before the trial started.
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 02:22 AM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
I bet ya they lost money to that chiefs game cause i know thats the mazzones team


All Sonny cares about is the Nacho's and the dip he don't care about the game
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 02:25 AM

he will care if he loses money lol
Posted By: GaryMartin

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 02:44 AM

Here's some more Philly news.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mobster-stand-trial-white-collar-case-article-1.1566906
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 03:00 AM

I would think that the street in south philly took the birds in big numbers too ... I don't know too many philly fans who would go against the eagles especially yesterday's game.. The capos probably did well all weekend with the visitors winning three of 4 games.. Closing arguments starting tomorrow .. Won't be long now
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 06:09 AM

Originally Posted By: marine
you ahigh shcool prniciapl??staitaziet an turn up your Zoom......Lol. I know you already been told but when I seen that I had to say sumthin..my man always has good post.. Their been lots of good post lately by everybody.. and real good pics lately by handsome steve.. Steve must know somebody to have those pics..And i thought I heard Ny was trying to have some say in philly operations..I think they have as much say as little joey right now.. that is NONE..


Marine you ever check out that AA Class I recommended too you?
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 04:17 PM

Marine why do you come on here?
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 10:41 PM

Reading on twitter borgesi attorney called the case against his client "bovine excrement" in other words bullshit. Trickling out but expect a bigtrial post in the next couple hours - Philly.com usually posts sooner.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 11:16 PM

Monday, January 6, 2014

Closing Arguments Offer Diffrerent Stories In Ligambi Trial


By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

The federal government is still fighting a war it won more than a decade ago, the lawyer for mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi told a jury this afternoon while asking the panel to reject the prosecution's case against his client and co-defendant George Borgesi.

"There was a sea change in 1999," Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr. told the jury. La Cosa Nostra in Philadelphia, he said, "is a shell" (of what it once was). "It's every man for himself...The FBI won the war."

And the result, said Christopher Warren, Borgesi's attorney, is a case built around "a theater of the absurd."

Those were two of the high points of more than two hours of spirited closing argument by the defense in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50.

The prosecution, to no one's great surprise, presented the anonymously chosen jury panel with a decidedly different take, painting the two defendants are leaders of an organized crime family that engaged in gambling, loansharking and extortion and that used its reputation for violence to further the criminal conspiracy at the heart of the case.

"La Cosa Nostra, This Thing of Ours, Our Thing," said Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han. "It was Joe Ligambi's thing. It was George Borgesi's thing."

As is often the case with closing arguments, the two sides took the same set of facts and evidence and spun them in different directions. The ultimate decision rests with the jury which is expected to begin deliberations either late tomorrow or the first thing Wednesday morning.

Neither Ligambi nor Borgesi showed much emotion during the five hours of closing arguments today, although Borgesi occasionally shook his head in disagreement over some of Han's comments.

In a methodical and detailed presentation, the federal prosecutor spent nearly 30 minutes of his two and one-half hour closing explaining the racketeering conspiracy charge that is at the heart of the case. The government, he said, does not have to prove that either defendant committed a crime, but merely that they conspired with others to commit crimes in furtherance of the organized crime family.

In fact, there was little, if any, direct evidence tying Ligambi or Borgesi to specific criminal acts. But Han argued that both defendants "embraced" the crime family's reputation for violence and "exploited it to their benefit."

While acknowledging that several key government witnesses were themselves mobsters or mob associates with checkered criminal pasts, Han said, "the government didn't choose them, the defendants did."

Pointing to witnesses like Peter "Pete the Crumb" Caprio, Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and Anthony Aponick, Han pointed to the defense table and said, "they were their associates, their partners-in crime."

"It's all about the money," Han said several times while outlining a government case that alleges that Ligambi and Borgesi received a piece of the mob's gambling and loansharking proceeds from 1999 through 2011 when the indictment was handed up in the current case.

Even though Borgesi was in prison for most of that time -- he was jailed in 2000 in an unrelated racketeering case -- Han said he still benefitted from the mob money-making gambits he had left in place and that Monacello ran for him.

The defense countered with an attack on both the truthfulness and reliability of the key government witnesses.

Monacello was described as a convicted racketeer and perjury who was using his association with Borgesi as a get out of jail free card. And Aponick was potrayed as a liar and con man who, even after he began cooperating with the FBI in 2003, committed a series of bank robberies.

He is "the poster child for why you need to shut this bad production down," Warren said of Aponick and the government's case. Even though Aponick deceived federal authorities, "they want you to believe him," Warren said incredulously.

"It's the theater of the absurd."

Both defense attorneys argued that the prosecution used rhetoric and hyperbole in place of facts to build the conspiracy charge.

At one point Warren referred to the case as "bovine excrement" while Jacobs called the racketeering conspiracy charge a "wastebasket."

Jacobs argued that the mob as a viable underworld operation in Philadelphia was dismantled in a 1999 case and that what is left is disorganized organized crime. While Ligambi and Borgesi may be membes -- "It's not a crime to be a member of La Cosa Nostra," he said -- neither were the beneficiaries of the actions of other mobsters who ran gambling and loansharking operations during the period covered in the independent.

It was, instead, "a group of independent oeprators," he said.

"This is not a mob," he told the jury. "This is not even a shell of a mob anymore. We are not what they say we are."

http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/closing-arguments-offer-diffrerent.html
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 11:20 PM

Wonder if they are in trial tomorrow ?
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/06/14 11:59 PM

To me as shaky as the witness's are and they are very hard to believe but like the prosecution keeps saying if they [defendants] benefitted in any way they are guilty.It's right on tape isn't it when these guys are collecting they are saying whose money it is.that Sounds like to me they are benefitting from it.I could see both verdicts either guilty or not guilty and I probably wouldn't be real surprised.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 12:12 AM

I was in court but only for a few days and the defense successfully put doubt in jurors minds about the entire case - no hard evidence - would you believe low life liars to send two men away for a long time ? I wouldn't but that's me and I'm not trying to be a homer
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 02:00 AM

It's a shame it may come down to someone on tape saying "that's uncle joe"s money". I don't see any reason why Borgesi doesn't walk here though
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 02:07 AM

I think they walk. The NY mob lawyers been crushing it lately that aponick guy is something else the lawyer was smart with his lines.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 02:13 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
It's a shame it may come down to someone on tape saying "that's uncle joe"s money". I don't see any reason why Borgesi doesn't walk here though


I said about a month ago and I still say guilty for both of them. While I think the current charges are bullshit, and Lou is very easy to dislike, those tapes and rats are going to hurt them. Many people said the jury hung last time because they didn't understand the conspiracy charge. Han didn't make that mistake this time. The Feds bat 95%. These guys got lucky to hang once. I think best case they hang again, worst case they each get 15 years.

Current odds:
ligambi conspiracy charge guilty -180 not guilty +165 hung -140
Georgie guilty -190 not guilty +175 hung -150
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 02:21 AM

I like the way you capped that. What's the over/under on how long the jury deliberates?
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 02:23 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I like the way you capped that. What's the over/under on how long the jury deliberates?


If the jury gets it Wednesday morning then Friday morning.
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 02:29 AM

Fucking Classic. Both of ya. I love it.


Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I like the way you capped that. What's the over/under on how long the jury deliberates?
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 06:21 AM

Yeah Jmack you make sense about not understanding the conspiracy charge the first time.Those lawyers are damn good I know that but the only thing they say that I don't think anybody believes is that ''its every man for himself''.Everybody and their mother knows that the money is always kicked up to the upper echelon.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 01:24 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
Yeah Jmack you make sense about not understanding the conspiracy charge the first time.Those lawyers are damn good I know that but the only thing they say that I don't think anybody believes is that ''its every man for himself''.Everybody and their mother knows that the money is always kicked up to the upper echelon.


Thats why I think they are both in trouble. They have people on tape saying its Joe's money. They also have him on tape introduced as the acting boss and Caprio testifying as such. Georgie has 2 rats pointing the finger at him, one was locked up with him. Even if you don't believe them all the way, Frankie didn't do them any favors. The only reason Georgie beat the 12 charges last time was Frankie undermining the prosecution when it came to him. He completely discredited Lou. That didn't happen this time. That gives Lou more credibility. I just think there is too much for them not too convict. We should know Friday or Monday.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 03:42 PM

I was in court when they played those tapes about joes money. Although maybe a long shot defense brought up other joes in south Philly ... Joe Malone being one , Stevie's father in law and old owner of malones restaurant
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
I was in court when they played those tapes about joes money. Although maybe a long shot defense brought up other joes in south Philly ... Joe Malone being one , Stevie's father in law and old owner of malones restaurant


LONG SHOT..... What about the tape where he is introduced as acting boss? No explaining your way out of that one.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 05:03 PM

Two different views of Phila. mob at closing arguments


Mike Newall, Inquirer Staff Writer
January 6, 2014

It was, it seemed, the tale of two mobs.

During closing arguments Monday at the racketeering retrial of reputed mob boss Joseph Ligambi and his purported consigliere, George Borgesi, a federal prosecutor described a thriving Philadelphia chapter of La Cosa Nostra that rules gambling and loan-sharking rackets through fear and force.

"The evidence in this case shows not only how the mob makes money," argued Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han, "but also how the money flows upward to the leadership."

But to listen to defense attorneys, the violent and structured Philadelphia mob of old was dismantled in crushing federal indictments of the late 1990s.

"There is not even a shell of the mob in Philadelphia anymore," said Ligambi's attorney, Edwin Jacobs Jr. "Anyone blackmailing or loan-sharking is doing it on their own."

The mob's ranks, he said, have been replaced by "private contractors," who do not answer or pay tribute to Ligambi but instead drop his name on the street to cash in on the 74-year-old's reputation.

After 12 years of investigation, 14,000 wiretap recordings, and 40 search warrants, the government has no proof that Ligambi "received a single dollar or was overseeing or orchestrating criminal activities," Jacobs told the jury.

Borgesi's attorney, Christopher Warren, described the prosecution's case as "the theater of the absurd" and "a bunch of androgynous bovine excrement."

Indeed, the two-month racketeering conspiracy trial, which came after a jury last year deadlocked on the most serious counts against Ligambi and Borgesi, contained few descriptions of the violence that for so long defined the Philly mob.

Rather, the case centers on the testimony of a string of mob informants and undercover police who said that Ligambi and Borgesi, as acting boss and second-in-charge after former boss Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino went to prison in 1999, profited from their underlings' collections of street loans, bookmaking, extortion, and illegal video gambling.

The modern mobsters, Han said, were "beneficiaries" of their predecessors' reputations for killing.

"They did not disavow it," Han said. "They embraced it and exploited it."

To prove conspiracy against the two alleged mob bosses, prosecutors do not have to show that Ligambi and Borgesi committed crimes, Han said, only that the two were aware that others would "carry out the mob business" for them.

Han laid out what he described as a decade of evidence, including jailhouse tapes of Ligambi visiting Borgesi, 49, while he was serving a 14-year federal sentence in West Virginia, taped recordings of Ligambi discussing business, photographs of Ligambi and his cohorts at a 2010 wedding, and testimony of mob turncoats who described Ligambi and Borgesi as the bosses.

Han stressed the importance of a 2010 meeting in a New Jersey restaurant between Ligambi and members of the New York Gambino crime family.

"They weren't there to meet impostors," Han said of the New York mobsters.

Closing arguments will continue Tuesday morning.


http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201401..._arguments.html
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 05:13 PM

It seems to me borgesi wife should be bought up on charges for collecting in the money, do u guys think the government will go after her?
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 06:10 PM

They would have done that already by now as leverage to get Georgie to flip but they didn't.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
They would have done that already by now as leverage to get Georgie to flip but they didn't.


I don't think they want him to flip. They would love the info he has but they HATE him. They have had a hard-on for him for years. I can't see them offering him a deal because his info is so old. It would have to be corroborated by another means. If they can get someone else to flip (Nicodemo- not saying he will but his info is more up to date and he can presumably give them murders) then a deal with Georgie makes more sense. That said, if they could get him to flip there will be a lot of people not happy (Mazzone, Joey, Marty, Chang, Lance, Ligambi). The Scarfo people would have to take over. Again, I don't think they could get him to flip anyway.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 07:13 PM

Either way it goes warren and Jacobs are great lawyers IMO
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 07:18 PM

If borgesi is convicted he might get time serve because of him being in jail so long, I think ligambi will walk and that would make merlino a happy man, if he's still involved he need as many buffers and fronts as he can get
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 07:26 PM

Borgesi is looking at more time then before because it is essentially the same charges as he was convicted of before. He would probably get like 15-20 years.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 08:02 PM

I think the two people most interested in the outcome are Stevie and Phil Narducci .. Gotta be rough for Georgie if he gets 15-20 all the while the ret of the guys in the 1999 case are or were basically out of the can.
Although I think there's a good chance of another hung jury .. We'll see. I wonder how we can find out when the judge announces the verdict is reached and for everyone to return to the court room
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Borgesi is looking at more time then before because it is essentially the same charges as he was convicted of before. He would probably get like 15-20 years.


Exactly right. He will get 15 or more. And Jacobs and Warren are two of the best. They were in a very tough position with this case. We will see what happens.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: thebigfella
If borgesi is convicted he might get time serve because of him being in jail so long, I think ligambi will walk and that would make merlino a happy man, if he's still involved he need as many buffers and fronts as he can get


Thats a BIG if buddy
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 09:08 PM

Mob photos used as evidence against Ligambi, Borgesi
WILLIAM BENDER, Daily News Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 7, 2014-

MAYBE THE Philadelphia mob fizzled out when Joey Merlino got pinched in 1999.

Or maybe it continued to thrive well into the 21st century on a steady diet of video-poker revenue and loan-sharking juice.

Depends on your benchmarks for a successful criminal organization.

But those photos? They were a bad idea.

As closing arguments began yesterday in the retrial of reputed mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi, federal prosecutors broke out the photo album again.

Not grainy, long-focus photos snapped by FBI agents hiding in a van. These are happy, smiling wiseguys, posing for the camera - group photos they took themselves.

Murderous mob boss Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo alongside Ligambi and Borgesi and other made men on the beach in 1986. Borgesi smiling with mob associate-turned-informant Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello in prison. The whole Philly crew at mob capo Anthony Staino's wedding in 2010.

In a racketeering-conspiracy case that requires the government to prove relationships among key players, the photos help tie it all together. They could be effective visual aids for a jury that will soon sift through decades of mind-numbing evidence.

"As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words," said Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han. "These are portraits of a crime family."

Han said some La Cosa Nostra members treasure their mob photos, like photos with the president.

"They are like badges of honor," he said.

The defense came out swinging in closing arguments, with Ligambi lawyer Edwin Jacobs Jr. attacking the credibility of well-paid mob rats and Borgesi lawyer Christopher Warren dismissing government evidence as "androgynous bovine excrement."

"They investigated this for years and came up with ugatz - nothing," Warren said.

The trial is the culmination of an investigation that began in 1999. Borgesi, 50, has been in prison since 2000 on a prior racketeering conviction and while awaiting trial on the latest indictment. A conviction for Ligambi, 74, could amount to a life sentence. They are being retried after an earlier jury deadlocked on some of the charges.

Jacobs said the case is built on flimsy testimony from a perjurer, a murderer, a bank robber and other "unscrupulous con men" who have been paid more than half a million dollars collectively and would say anything to stay out of prison.

Besides, Jacobs added, the Philly mob was essentially "dismantled" more than a decade ago by a series of federal indictments and the erosion of the old code of silence, or omerta. Today's mobsters, he insisted, are more like "independent contractors," no longer joined at the hip as they were in the 20th century.

"This is no mob," Jacobs said. "This is not even the shell of a mob anymore."

Closing arguments continue today.

↓http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20140 ... 6j8sSZv.99

Mob photos used as evidence against Ligambi, Borgesi
Prosecutors broke out the photo album during closing arguments in the racketeering case against Joseph Ligambi & George Borgesi.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By: thebigfella
If borgesi is convicted he might get time serve because of him being in jail so long

Never happen. These were new charges and there are very strict Federal sentencing guidelines in place. A Federal judge will very rarely go outside those guidelines for someone who's dying or something like that. But they'd never do it for a guy like Borgesi, who's still young and they view as a career criminal.

The only "time served" that will count is from the release date of his last case, which was roughly two years ago, until the conclusion of the current trial. So if the guidelines call for him to get 15 to 20, he'll get two years knocked off for time served on this case. And then he'll have to do almost 90 percent of the balance, which is a fuck of a long time. If convicted, he'll come out a little old man.

And I doubt they'd take Borgesi into the program. The way he supposedly bragged and laughed about so many murders, they'd worry that they'd have another Casso on their hands.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/07/14 11:16 PM

Jury Deliberations Set To Begin In Mob Trial

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

A jury is expected to begin deliberating early tomorrow in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew and co-defendant George Borgesi.

The anonymously chosen panel to 10 women and two men heard more than two hours of closing arguments this morning and then sat through two more hours of Judge Eduardo Robreno's explanation of the laws that apply to the case.

Robreno's methodical charge is expected to conclude tomorrow morning shortly after court is brought back into session at 9:30 a.m. Deliberations will begin once the judge completes his explanation.

Arguments today were a reprise of defense and prosecution positions outlined for the jury Monday.

Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr. continued with the two themes he had offered earlier -- the mob in Philadelphia no longer exists and the government failed to provide evidence to back up its charges.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor returned to the issues he had underscored in his opening statement back on Nov. 7. "What this case is about is how the mob makes money through crime," he said.

Labor scoffed at Jacobs' argument that the mob is only a shell of what it once was. He said Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, were leaders of a mob family that generated income through gambling, loansharking and extortion and that the victims of those crimes would dispute Jacobs' contention that the mob no longer exists.

Jacobs said Ligambi was a"titular" boss of a crime family that had been reduced to an "impotent shell."

"They no longer do the stuff that was done under Scarfo and Natale," he added, referring to former mob boss Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo and Ralph Natale.

Scarfo, currently serving a 55-year prison sentence on racketeering-murder charges, was considered one of the most violent mob bosses in America. His bloody reign as Philadelphia crime boss in the 1980 was marked for dozens of murders and attempted murders.

Jacobs again and again pointed out that there are no murder charges nor any acts of violence alleged in the current indictment. Labor, however, said that didn't matter because the case is about how the mob uses its reputation for violence to control the underworld and generate illegal income.

He urged the jury to focus on the "big picture" and not get lost or confused by minor and contradictory details.

A prime example, he said, was the defense notion that two key cooperating witness, Borgesi associates Louis Monacello and Anthony Aponick, offered different versions of how they reacted to one another during a meeting at Ralph's, an Italian restaurant on Ninth Street in December 2003.

Their relationship, Labor argued, was a secondary issue. The "big picture" question, he said, was how Aponick, a New York mob associate and former cellmate of Borgesi's, and Monacello, Borgesi's point man on the street, came to be at that restaurant meeting. The meeting, Labor said, was arranged by Borgesi from prison so that they could discuss mob business. And that, he said, proves the conspiracy charge.

Jacobs, on the other hand, told the jury that the government's case was built around theories, but not backed up by facts,. He said there was an "institutional bias" against the defendants because of the mob "labels" authorities had attached to them. And he said the prosecutors had used "misleading" evidence and "half truths" to build their case.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/jury-deliberations-set-to-begin-in-mob.html#HZQcPOYL71h56oGS.99
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 12:01 AM

If the jury doesn't believe aponick and monacello or has doubt they walk
If they can't agree and it hangs they walk - no way they retry after this one , ligambi and borgesi will be on the street for the weekend playoff games
But if they believe those two then it's rough news for uncle and nephew. I wonder if there is a way to find out when Robreno calls the court to order and announces a verdict has been found..
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 12:14 AM

Jose but all that other stuff like Ligambi being introduced as ''our acting boss'' and everybody that was collecting saying whose money it is.Your stll thinking that the testimony from Monacello and Aponick is the whole case.Even the Fixer turned on them this time.just food for thought.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 12:15 AM

Also what does everybody think if the jury comes back with a quick verdict,good or bad for the defendants?
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 12:31 AM

Bad
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 12:50 AM

Originally Posted By: 22
Also what does everybody think if the jury comes back with a quick verdict,good or bad for the defendants?


Very bad
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 12:57 AM

If i was the lawyer would have stayed the fuck away from the mob in philly doesn't exist anymore. That was dumb they got that tape of big Lou talking about his induction ceremony with 5 others. And the 4 before his time that was a screw up. I would have stuck to it a group of Italians passing on a tradition or some shit like joining free masons or whatever. Celtic club. He should have stuck to series the physical evidence all they got was a motley crew of junkie liars saving themselves and then stressed to the jury all the federal money these bums get and you the jury pay for there lives in witsec.rob a bank join the feds and rob more banks no jury should believe that bum.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 02:34 AM

22 I agree with what you are saying but a lot of hearsay which you can't convict on - I'm talking more about Georgie this time .. One of the more damaging testimonies is when f finger Lou talked about dropping money in Georgie's car that links him to the case ..
As for joe .. Again lot of it being joes money testimony .. I don't know how sting that is though as far as convicting ..
When you take a step back away from the case , any two sides could have argued this case and the points they both made but the key thing will be did the defense create enough reasonable doubt in the evidence and witnesses presented to acquit. If there is any reasonable doubt Robreno will instruct them that's a not guilty verdict which personally I agree with for Georgie I'm undecided on Joe. Also keep in mind they will have more evidence to review than what we have read on the bigtrial posts .. There could be evidence one way or the other that skews one persons opinion to creating doubt. This is why the key witnesses are important and if they are believable or not. That's why Jacobs and Warren attack them on the stand to make them look not believable because if one juror believes they aren't truthful it's tough to convince that person otherwise.
I also hold the opinion that these charges are non violent crimes and voting guilty leads to serious terms for both and that's a big weight for a juror to think about whether it should or shouldn't be .. I mean some of the testimony talked about -$500 loans paying back I think it was 60 dollars a week - are you kidding me. The Feds actually put someone on the stand to talk about a 500 loan - reaching a little bit ?!?! sending someone to the can for a 500 loan is going to weigh on them - I think this is Jacobs strategy when he goes with this a non violent trial , not one piece of violence in the case , etc..
I'm not sure how much this matters either but mostly women jury and Georgie's mom was at the trial for the early part - for any mothers on the jury - does that sway their opinion? I don't know ..
If there is a decision quickly that can't be good for the defense.
Just my own thoughts going into potentially judgment week
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 02:37 AM

It's a real shame these guys are gonna be found guilty and get slammed by this biased judge. These guys are getting layed away for the past history of Philly mob, the jury should be ashamed of themselves knowing that these guys well be fed to the wolves( judge) and are gonna get ridiculous amount of time for a non violent mob case, they should find them not guilty based on the way the GovtGang is abusing the law of RICO alone. They play real dirty in every city when it comes to the so called "MOB", I hope they beat this case and there friends get reduced sentences by appeals!!! I'd love to see a pic of the Merlino gang reunited after all these years!! #salute from the Chi
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 02:47 AM

Would be a hell of a pic with the whole Merlino crew together!
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 02:59 AM

If these guys beat this ill bet ya they will all be down in Boca in March to celebrate there freedom, to me they are a very standup crew that have faced LIFE in the face and they all grabbed there balls and rode it out like real men should, if merlino, Mazzone,borgesi, Angelina, Chang woulda ever turned rat it woulda happen 14yrs ago, they are stand up guys!!!! I salute them
Posted By: SgWaue86

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 03:53 AM

They should find a send off who knows nothing to slap that prosecutor in his petty mouth fucking peice of shit, I hope something terrible happens to the prosecution's teams fam. I'm sorry fuck these crooks too but this is a gross abuse of power. Couple that with Deng getting traded I'm fucking heated, sorry LOL.
Posted By: SgWaue86

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 04:31 AM

That may be true but it still hurts,
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 04:44 AM

I compare a lot of things to sports and say like the NFL for example if your the starting QB and you get yanked for poor play,now the back-up comes in.On the outside it looks like the original starter is rooting hard for him,but then again deep down he kwows if this guy plays too good he may be out of a job.I mean sure your a team player but you don't want to lose your job either[example last yr. Kaepernick-Alex Smith]The point I'm trying to make is it may look like Borgesi is getting all this support but the guys from his old crew do you think they really want him to get out.I mean you know if he beats this case he's going to have a chip on his shoulder and probably won't go along with the program.He may be more of a problem on the outside.I just can't see him falling into place like a good soldier.On the other hand Ligambi always seems the same,very low key.
Posted By: marine

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 05:07 AM

why you give a F&%$?? if you knew me you would never say that or ever question any move I EVER make..i would break your wannabe F%$#@n jaw in 50 spots with one punch...Ps I posted here last year around trial time..im from philly..I may work with a mob guy..i do union concrete work and once in a bluemoon I hear stuff.. i barley post... and if I did it would be truth...not me cluttering the boards because i was rooting for someone 2 b freed.. Now I know you get on your knees for some of these guys& shine their shoes down grumpys.. or getting strong armed and poked in the ass down Quatro while they steal ur money....Dude do you like having a sore ass..??DuDe why do you do that stuff????
Posted By: SgWaue86

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 05:44 AM

Your time in the service must of been hard have you ever considered getting affordable help, I don't think you can bust a jaw in 50 places either. You seem really crazy and I can't imagine you have many people who enjoy being around you. You should really work on your anger issues.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 08:54 AM

I think he's the one they traded deng for
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 04:57 PM

so they are deliberating now correct?
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: cheech
so they are deliberating now correct?


I'm not in court but they were supposed to get the case early this morning.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 06:08 PM

That's correct a cheech..I think they have something back by tomorrow or Friday..jury's been at this trial for a long time...I think with a more slimmed down trial and counts it shouldn't take long .. Anastasia won't miss this one .
Posted By: ovation32

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 07:32 PM

Does anyone have the Staino wedding photo? Sorry if it has been posted already . . . I am having trouble finding it.

Thanks in advance
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 11:35 PM

I dunno if that photo was ever released. They are deliberating now as we speak, if they haven't been sent home yet.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 11:41 PM

Originally Posted By: marine
why you give a F&%$?? if you knew me you would never say that or ever question any move I EVER make..i would break your wannabe F%$#@n jaw in 50 spots with one punch...Ps I posted here last year around trial time..im from philly..I may work with a mob guy..i do union concrete work and once in a bluemoon I hear stuff.. i barley post... and if I did it would be truth...not me cluttering the boards because i was rooting for someone 2 b freed.. Now I know you get on your knees for some of these guys& shine their shoes down grumpys.. or getting strong armed and poked in the ass down Quatro while they steal ur money....Dude do you like having a sore ass..??DuDe why do you do that stuff????


I'm sorry I was unaware your such a big tough guy. My question was why do you even come on this board? All you do is make rambling incoherent posts flaming people and bashing OC people. So what is the purpose of you visiting this board? I'm sure you don't know me but you seem to be comfortable crossing all types of lines and saying disrespectful things.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 11:42 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I dunno if that photo was ever released. They are deliberating now as we speak, if they haven't been sent home yet.


Pretty sure they are home for the day. I am on my phone or I would post it but Anastasia has his article out for the day. Very interesting that he may not be able to cover the scarfo trial. Should be interesting if they call him as a witness. I think they just don't want him covering the trial.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/08/14 11:46 PM

Thanks jmack, here is the article from big trial

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 8, 2014

Juries Hear Two Different Versions Of Mob Racketeering Conspiracy
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

There's racketeering conspiracy and then there's RACKETEERING CONSPIRACY!

Federal juries on opposite sides of the Delaware River began dealing with the differences today as the jury in the retrial of mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi started deliberations in his eight-week old trial and the jury in the fraud case against mobster Nicodemo S. Scarfo, the son of jailed mob boss Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo, heard opening arguments in his case.

The Ligambi jury got the case in federal court in Philadelphia shortly before 11 a.m. and deliberated for the rest of the day without a verdict. The panel is due back tomorrow. The case, against Ligambi and his co-defendant and nephew George Borgesi, is built around allegations that the two mobsters ran an organized crime enterprise that generated tens of thousands of dollars through illegal gambling, loansharking and extortion.

Scarfo, Elkins Park businessman Salvatore Pelullo and five others went on trial at the same time in federal court in Camden. The government alleges that Scarfo and Pelullo orchestrated the systematic looting of a Texas-based mortgage company, FirstPlus Financial, by secretly taking control of the board of directors in June 2007. Over the next 10 months, authorities allege, Scarfo and Pelullo lined their pockets with cash for the company. The take? A staggering $10 million.

The difference underscores what lawyers in the Ligambi case have argued continuously -- that the government has taken a penny ante gambling case and turned into into a mob conspiracy.

"Racketeering lite," Edwin Jacobs Jr., Ligambi's lawyer, said of the charges which, nevertheless, carry a maximum 20-year prison sentence for the defendants.

Scarfo and Pelullo, both convicted felons, could face even more jail time if they are found guilty at the end of their trial which is expected to last about four months.

The jury, 12 panelists and six alternates, heard about four hours of opening arguments today and will be back for more tomorrow. Testimony is not scheduled to begin until Monday.

In a sharply detailed opening, Assistant U.S. Attorney Howard Wiener, one of three prosecutors in the case, used charts, power point displays and snippets of secretly recorded conversations to paint a picture of the case that will be laid out over the coming months.

"This is a case about lying and cheating and stealing," Wiener said.

But lawyers for Scarfo and Pelullo, in their openings, said the prosecution had misinterpreted and slanted the facts. Both lawyers claimed that the alleged mob ties to the case were a smoke screen designed to sensationalize the case. Both said their clients had engaged in legitimate business deals and were innocent.

Paul Fishman, the U.S. Attorney for New Jersey, was one of dozens of spectators in the crowded courtroom for opening arguments,. At the time indictments were handed up in the case two years ago, Fishman said the FirstPlus looting gave new meaning to the phrase "corporate takeover."

Without using those words, Wiener hit on that same theme during his two-hour address to the jury.

Money was funneled out of FirstPlus, the prosecutor said, after Scarfo and Pelullo took control of the board of directors in June 2007. The money was used to fund purchases of bogus or straw companies that Pelullo and Scarfo had set up and as phony consulting fees.

Wiener said $6 million was spent to purchase the phony companies. He also told the jury that Pelullo and Scarfo used FirstPlus cash to support a lavish lifestyle. They purchased a yacht for $8000,000 and named the boat "Priceless." Pelullo also bought a $200,000 Bentley automobile. Scarfo bought a $75,000 Audi and used more than $200,000 as a downpayment on a $700,000 home in Egg Harbor Township.

The prosecutor said the pair used their alleged ties to organized crime to instill fear and to intimidate anyone who tried to block their takeover of the company. Co-defendant William Maxwell, a Texas attorney, aided the scheme after he was appointed special counsel to the company with a contract that paid him $100,000-a-month plus expenses.

Maxwell them arrange consulting contracts for Pelullo and Scarfo that were also financed by FirstPlus.

Other defendants in the case include Maxwell's brother, John, who was CEO of FirstPlus; Scarfo's longtime criminal defense attorney, Donald Manno, and lawyers Gary McCarthy of Philadelphia and David Adler of New York.

Several other defendants in the case, including Scarfo's wife Lisa, have pleaded guilty to related charges.

Wiener cited several secretly recorded conversations which he said supported the government's allegation. On one, he said, Scarfo boasted about how the takeover was set up with a series of business transactions and companies.

"Layer upon layer, like an onion," he said Scarfo told an associate on one tape.

He also said that Pelullo once threatened an associate who he and Scarfo feared might told to authorities, telling him that his wife would be raped and his children would be sold into prostitution "if you ever rat."

Michael Riley, Scarfo's lawyer, told the jury that his client was paying a price for his father's reputation.

Nicodemo D. "Little Nicky" Scarfo, who ruled the Philadelphia-South Jersey mob for most of the 1980s, was considered one of the most violent mob bosses in America. But Riley said the younger Scarfo decided to go in a different direction after he was shot and nearly killed in a mob hit at Dante&Luigi's Restaurant in South Philadelphia on Halloween night in 1989.

That shooting, Riley argued, is the government's jumping off point for organized crime charges that have no basis for being in the case.

"No one's gonna wake up with a horsehead in their bed," Riley said, referring to a classic scene in The Godfather. But, he said, the government wants to portray the case as an extension of that world.

Would you rather watch a financial report on television or The Godfather movie? Riley asked the jury. The government, he said, is trying to glamourize and sensationalize what amounts to a dull, boring financial case by introducing the specter of the mob.

Troy Archie, Pelullo's attorney, hit on that same point, telling the jury that the government "misunderstood" the facts in the case and began an investigation with the premise that "where's there's Mafia smoke, there must be Mafia fire."

He described Pelullo as a "brash talking, foul-mouthed businessman," but said his dealings with FirstPlus were legitimate. Neither he nor Scarfo had broken the law, he said.

Pelullo's only offense, Archie said, was that "he was friends with Nicky Scarfo."

Pelullo, who has two prior convictions for fraud, "turned his life around," Archie said, becoming a "consultant and entrepreneur." But, he added, the government "got confused because he's with Nicky Scarfo and they're making money."

Closing arguments are to continue tomorrow morning in federal court in Camden while in federal court in Philadelphia an anonymously chosen jury to 11 women and one man will begin its first full day of deliberations. (A male juror was dismissed before the start of deliberations after acknowledging that he had fallen asleep during the lengthy charge of Judge Eduardo Robreno.)

Racketeering conspiracy is the overarching charge in both trials.

On a personal note, I may not be able to cover the rest of the FirstPlus trial because Salvatore Pelullo has listed me as a potential witness and witnesses are not permitted in the courtroom during testimony. Judge Robert Kugler permitted me to remain during opening arguments.
The issue may be appealed by Bigtrial.net.
Pelullo's second attorney, J. Michael Farrell, would not say why I might be called and said he was reluctant to discuss the issue with me because I might tell the prosecution. In a brief discussion during the morning break, Farrell would offer not further explanation. I have never discussed the case with Pelullo's lawyers and am hard pressed to understand why I would be called as a witness. Having me on the witness list, however, would keep me from covering the trial.
Farrell cryptically asked if I had ever written about Salvatore Pelullo before his name surfaced in this case. I told him I believed I had not. What he was getting at remains unclear to me.
I told him, 'You don't want me on the stand.' He called that a `threat' and said I would remain on the list.
Everything I know about this case has appeared in stories that I wrote for The Philaldelphia Inquirer from the time search warrants were executed in the spring of 2008 until I left the paper in October 2012. I have probably written more about the alleged scam than anyone else.
But what I could provide as a witness for the defense is baffling.
I know and have written a lot (including several books) about the Phiadelphia mob and the Scarfo family. I know about the younger Scarfo's connections to the Lucchese crime family, a key element in the prosecution's case.
Does Pelullo want me on the stand talking about that?
I could also talk about the late Harold Garber, an Atlantic City criminal defense attorney who ended up on the board of directors of FirstPlus shortly after the government alleges Scarfo and Pelullo took over the company behind the scenes.
Garber died of cancer shortly after he was appointed to the board, but his name was a red flag for me. He had represented Little Nicky Scarfo and Crazy Phil Leonetti in the 1980s. In fact, he had his law license suspended for a year after a witness in a murder case against Leonetti, whom Garber was representing, recanted his story. Garber also represented that witness.
So Garber's appointed to the board of directors of FirstPlus was a red flag for me as I reported the story.
Maybe Farrell and Pelullo would also like me to talk about a story I wrote for The Inquirer in July 2008. That story was based on wiretaps from a mob case in North Jersey tied to the Gambino and Lucchese crime families.
On one tape Pelullo and Martin Taccetta, a Lucchese crime family member, talked about business and the mob; business that had very little to do with FirstPlus but a lot to do with the allegation that Pelullo was a mob associate.
Maybe Farrell and Pelullo would like to ask me about that.
Stayed tuned. We'll see.

George Anastasia can be contacted at George@bigtrial.net.


POSTED BY GEORGE ANASTASIA AT 5:54 PM
TRIAL: PHILADELPHIA MOB TRIAL
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AnonymousJanuary 8, 2014 at 6:38 PM
Boy, George i sure hope you get to stay on for the trial. I suspect its going to be fascinating.

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AnonymousJanuary 8, 2014 at 6:39 PM
tomorrow is the day. D DAY.

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Posted By: carmela

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 12:13 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Originally Posted By: marine
why you give a F&%$?? if you knew me you would never say that or ever question any move I EVER make..i would break your wannabe F%$#@n jaw in 50 spots with one punch...Ps I posted here last year around trial time..im from philly..I may work with a mob guy..i do union concrete work and once in a bluemoon I hear stuff.. i barley post... and if I did it would be truth...not me cluttering the boards because i was rooting for someone 2 b freed.. Now I know you get on your knees for some of these guys& shine their shoes down grumpys.. or getting strong armed and poked in the ass down Quatro while they steal ur money....Dude do you like having a sore ass..??DuDe why do you do that stuff????


I'm sorry I was unaware your such a big tough guy. My question was why do you even come on this board? All you do is make rambling incoherent posts flaming people and bashing OC people. So what is the purpose of you visiting this board? I'm sure you don't know me but you seem to be comfortable crossing all types of lines and saying disrespectful things.


You'd have to be afraid of any guy that uses the words, F&%$ and F%$#@n. Now that's tough. grin
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 12:14 AM

I know, they might have to put my family and I in the internet protection program.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Jose
That's correct a cheech..I think they have something back by tomorrow or Friday..jury's been at this trial for a long time...I think with a more slimmed down trial and counts it shouldn't take long .. Anastasia won't miss this one .



thanks my friend, appreciate the insight from philly
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 12:26 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I know, they might have to put my family and I in the internet protection program.


Thanks for posting the article. You better watch it, Marine is from our area. He might be waiting outside your house one of these days.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 12:30 AM

I'm gonna try to reach out to somebody and apologize
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 12:32 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
I'm gonna try to reach out to somebody and apologize


Just find the nearest lush at the end of the bar and you got a good chance it's him.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 12:49 AM

Lol
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 02:03 AM

Cheech no prob - thinking abou going over either tomorrow or Friday to check it out .. Tough to get away from the real job to wait and wait
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 03:42 AM

Marine is a stroke!!
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Cheech no prob - thinking abou going over either tomorrow or Friday to check it out .. Tough to get away from the real job to wait and wait


Bring a mob book to read
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 10:01 PM

Nothing going on yet,huh.I guess if they were hands down guilty they would have come back by now.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/09/14 10:56 PM

January 9, 2014

Ligambi Jury Still Deliberating, Scarfo Trial Set For Testimony


By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


The jury in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi headed home at 4 p.m. today after a second day of deliberations.

Early in the day, the panel of 11 women and one man asked to hear a tape recording that had been introduced as evidence by the defense, then they hunkered down for the next four hours behind closed doors.

Members of the defense camp were guardedly optimistic. The tape, of a conversation between government informant Anthony Aponick and Borgesi's wife Alyson, was introduced to challenge and discredit Aponick who at the time was a cellmate of Borgesi's in a federal prison in West Virginia.

Trying to determine why the jury wanted to hear the tape and what it means in terms of deliberations is, of course, speculative. It's like reading tea leaves. But Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, said it was a good sign that the panel asked for a piece of evidence that the defense had introduced.

Deliberations are to resume at 9:30 tomorrow. The anonymously chosen jury panel has now deliberated for about 10 hours over two days.

Across the river in federal court in Camden, defense attorneys completed their opening statements in a racketeering conspiracy case against mobster Nicodemo S. Scarfo, Elkin Park businessman Salvatore Pelullo and five others.

Testimony is scheduled to begin on Monday.

Scarfo, 48, and Pelullo, 47, are accused of looting a Texas mortgage company of $12 million by secretly taking control of the company's board of directors. FirstPlus Financial then began to purchase straw companies set up by Scarfo and Pelullo, according to the government. Those purchases and bogus consulting contracts, prosecutors said, were used to siphon cash out of the company and into the defendants' pcokets.

The jury heard from lawyers for four other defendants today, including Donald Manno, Scarfo's longtime defense attorney.

Manno, who is representing himself, told the jury he had done nothing wrong and that any actions he took were as a lawyer for Scarfo. Speaking in the third person, he told the panel, "Mister Manno makes no apology, Nick Scarfo is a friend." But he emphasized that Manno had nothing to do with the FirstPlus wheeling and dealing that the government says is at the heart of the case.

And he said other tangential charges involving an escrow account and the purchase of a home by Scarfo's wife were without foundation.

He said the government's case was built around "polluted sources" and that it didn't conduct an investigation, but rather was on a "mission" to get Nicky Scarfo because of his reputation and alleged mob ties.

The Scarfo trial is expected to last about four months.

In Philadelphia, meanwhile, two days of deliberations led to typical speculation about where the jury was headed. On Wednesday the panel asked a question about the jury tampering charge that is part of the case against Ligambi.

Ligambi, 74, is charged with racketeering conspiracy, two counts of illegal gambling and witness tampering, in that order. Some observers believed the question about witness tampering meant the jury had finished with Ligambi.

The question today related only to Borgesi, 50, who is charged with racketeering conspiracy.

The conversation occurred on June 6, 2003, while Aponick was still in prison. On it he discussed a copy of Gangland News -- a weekly news column that focuses on organized crime -- that Alson Borgesi had sent him. He also asked for real estate listings from a Philadelphia paper.

Alyson Borgesi promised to send him the information and also another edition of Gangland News. Aponick, in his direct testimony, had indicated he was surprised to receive the column. The conversation seemed to contract that part of his testimony.

Aponick and Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello, two former Borgesi associates, were the key witnesses against Borgesi. Their credibility is the crux of the case against him. A question about Aponick, according to one theory, meant the jury had already gotten through Monacello's testimony and was now focusing on the final phase of the case against Borgesi.

That scenario would seem to indicate that a verdict could be announced some time tomorrow.

But that same type of speculation was rampant in the first trial that ended in February after three months of testimony and a staggering three weeks of deliberation. There were seven defendants in that case, however. Four were convicted. One was acquitted. And the jury split on the charges against Ligambi and Borgesi, leading to the retrial.

Borgesi was found not guilty of 13 of the 14 counts he faced. Ligambi was acquitted of five of the nine charges against him. The remaining charges are now before the new jury.

http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/ligambi-jury-still-deliberating-scarfo.html
Posted By: StLguy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 01:00 AM

"Alyson Borgesi promised to send him the information and also another edition of Gangland News"

Wait...So they really do read these things? So Persico really does learn about the streets by reading Gangland News?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 01:11 AM

Yes alot of mobsters read gangland, i forget who it was but it mightve been someone who flipped but i remember some wiseguy being quoted about how jerry capeci was considered untouchable(meaning no one was allowed to hurt or kill him) because everyone loved to read his colum.
Posted By: StLguy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 01:19 AM

" jerry capeci was considered untouchable(meaning no one was allowed to hurt or kill him) because everyone loved to read his colum"

Vanity? That's just too weird. I was wondering exactly how someone could write a column like that and not have a target painted on him. It almost like black thugs listening to gangsta rap.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 01:59 AM

This article makes it sound like they'll win, but George A and the FBI are prolly laughing knowing there railroad job is working, fucking scum bags!!! Hope these guys beat this bullshit
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 02:15 AM

I think if the prosecution had gone with its scaled down version,a less arrogant Monacello,and Frankie the Fixer's 2 cents they would have had a decent shot.Aponick is going to end up being their Achilles heel.Even if he cooberated [probably mis-spelled that] monacello's testimony his resume was just too full of garbage.I mean come on he's working for the FBI and robbing banks at the same time and then talks the FBI in to letting him go back to work is insane.Credability lost right there.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 03:19 AM

Agree 22. Jurors could very well be looking to prove their distrust of the witnesses. I'm not sure if monacello knows what less arrogant means. I can't see this going past tomorrow with only a few counts to consider. Lots of tapes and recordings but still I expect a verdict tomorrow. Put the line at free Georgie -130 free Uncle Joe Even money.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 08:58 AM

Your right Jose back in 97 when Ligambi got his conviction in the Frankie Flowers case overturned,the jury basically said they were tired of the ''fat cats''government witness's and even though nothing changed from the 1st trial where he was convicted this time they came back in like an hour with not guilty.Same government witness's,same testimony,basically nothing changed but the jury got wind of Del Giorno and others getting paid mad money for these ventures and it was their way of saying f.... you to the government.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 03:38 PM

Shitty day in Philly for whatever that's worth
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 04:38 PM

deliberations postponed today due to family emergency by 1 juror.To resume Mon.On bigtrial.net
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 05:11 PM

What the Fuck already? I can't wait for this shit to be over, must be torture for Uncle Joe and Georgie...Free the Guys!!!
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 05:14 PM

Wow - gonna be a long weekend for the defense family and friends.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 06:01 PM

The screwed up part is if your found innocent you don't get this time back.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 06:08 PM

I seriously doubt that they'll walk.
The feds can't afford it.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 07:01 PM

It's out of the Feds hands now and I think the more time the jurors think the better for the defense. Just my 2 cents. This all but guarantees a Monday decision barring any other unexpected scenarios. I bet the other jurors were looking to wrap this up today and start their normal lives Monday too.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 07:17 PM

Yeah I hope your right, I been stuck following this trial from the beginning and it's driving me nuts to keep checking everyday if it's over yet, these guys need to go free, appeal the other sentences to half the time, and demote everyone in the DA office that is using this for there own personal gain. This has been bullshit from from the getGo and they should rewrite the RICO law so it can't be unfairly used.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 07:50 PM

it will give the south philly goons a chance over the weekend to go find a juror. I think they would have rushed to some type of guilty by 4pm today if this didn't happen now the jury can get drunk and forget about the closing arguments and these guys might have a shot.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 07:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Wow - gonna be a long weekend for the defense family and friends.

Yeah, I'm not even really following this time. But these guys have to be at the point where they just want to say, either send me to prison or let me go home, but get me the fuck OUT of holding pens and courtrooms. It's enough already.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 08:30 PM

I think they already have their decision,it was just a matter of crossing the t's and dotting the i's as for a verdict today.I seriously doubt they will forget 8 weeks of testimony over the week-end.The only problem I could see would be if this juror couldn't continue then what,do the alternates know what's up or is that more delays.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 09:19 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
I think they already have their decision,it was just a matter of crossing the t's and dotting the i's as for a verdict today.I seriously doubt they will forget 8 weeks of testimony over the week-end.The only problem I could see would be if this juror couldn't continue then what,do the alternates know what's up or is that more delays.


They get time served for all this time they've been lock up correcto? not much but a few months can't help but put a tiny dint....
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 09:23 PM

Few months? If found guilty the defendants would get credit for the 2 years theyve been locked up for while tese trials have been going on.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 09:58 PM

Right that all counts but if they walk its just more time they spent for nothing.I think if they do walk the only consolation the government would get would be they made Borgesi do 2 more years.He technically should have been in a halfway house in the 1st week of Jan.2012 with the official release date in July of that year.It seems like the feds love making these guys lives miserable.They probably also look at it like win or lose they also got almost 3 extra years out of Uncle Joe.It probably really pissed them off when he had his conviction overturned in 97 for the Flowers case.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 09:58 PM

Going on 3 years
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 10:46 PM

This case is so old one of the guys is getting released in 4 months. lol
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
This case is so old one of the guys is getting released in 4 months. lol


Lol
who?
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/10/14 10:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: Ted
This case is so old one of the guys is getting released in 4 months. lol


Lol
who?

Robert Ranieri.

Robert Verrecchia was only sentenced to 12 months, so he's already out.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 01:25 AM

For Borges if he walks he can have his lawyer ask the judge to take off 2 of his 3 yrs supervised release couple guys in NY got off Vinny TV I believe.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 01:54 AM

Originally Posted By: pmac
For Borges if he walks he can have his lawyer ask the judge to take off 2 of his 3 yrs supervised release couple guys in NY got off Vinny TV I believe.


Dude if he beats it he is definitely off papers, he served his full sentence, no supervised release for him, he'll be down in Florida for the Super Bowl wit Baba, the guy deserves it, prove he did all the murders and other shit or everyone needs to shut the fuck up....
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:11 AM

If Georgie walks he'll stay in SP with his family if he's able to. No business in Boca or South Florida - he will want to spend time with his wife. I was at the trial on Thursday morning during the tape - jury listened to a 60 or 90 second recording - my opinion is that it was good for defense bad for aponick and DA. Georgie looked good and confident as he should with the evidence and witnesses presented .. Joe looked good also - it's a shame they have been kept them inside this long - abuse of power and I'm no homer. DA and team definatley looking to pad their resumes. Messing with people's lives while doing it is pretty low.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:04 PM

Ally Lance & Dom Grande @ Mummers parade


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:05 PM

Dom Grande


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:06 PM

Dame Canalicho


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:09 PM

Gary Battaglini


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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:16 PM

Gary Battaglini

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Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:24 PM

Sonny Mazzone

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Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:26 PM

Handsome Stevie Mazzone


Description: Acting Boss Steve Mazzone
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Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:36 PM

stevie always looked tuned up on coke
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:39 PM

I am still trying to get my hands on pictures of the rest of the original guys indicted with uncle joe.. Eric Esposito, Robert Verrecchia, and Louis Barretta... If anyone has any let me know
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 03:40 PM

Right, his eyes are bugged out like bulging out his head.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 04:04 PM

That's just his natural look lol. I have some pics of sheep I'll see if I can post them on here
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 04:13 PM

yea all his pictures he looks like that.. I think i may found one of Verrecchia but still not 100% its the right person.. The pic I want most is of Esposito because he is made and before the indictment I never even heard his name.. and that would be awesome if you found the pics of Sheep too
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
If Georgie walks he'll stay in SP with his family if he's able to. No business in Boca or South Florida - he will want to spend time with his wife. I was at the trial on Thursday morning during the tape - jury listened to a 60 or 90 second recording - my opinion is that it was good for defense bad for aponick and DA. Georgie looked good and confident as he should with the evidence and witnesses presented .. Joe looked good also - it's a shame they have been kept them inside this long - abuse of power and I'm no homer. DA and team definatley looking to pad their resumes. Messing with people's lives while doing it is pretty low.


Its pretty ironic that you think the government is messing with Georgie's life. This guy is a multiple murderer who has made a living destroying other peoples lives. Now it doesn't matter to me whether they get off or not, but if they don't, its not exactly a miscarriage of justice. Everything needs to be looked at in perspective.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: jmack
Originally Posted By: Jose
If Georgie walks he'll stay in SP with his family if he's able to. No business in Boca or South Florida - he will want to spend time with his wife. I was at the trial on Thursday morning during the tape - jury listened to a 60 or 90 second recording - my opinion is that it was good for defense bad for aponick and DA. Georgie looked good and confident as he should with the evidence and witnesses presented .. Joe looked good also - it's a shame they have been kept them inside this long - abuse of power and I'm no homer. DA and team definatley looking to pad their resumes. Messing with people's lives while doing it is pretty low.


Its pretty ironic that you think the government is messing with Georgie's life. This guy is a multiple murderer who has made a living destroying other peoples lives. Now it doesn't matter to me whether they get off or not, but if they don't, its not exactly a miscarriage of justice. Everything needs to be looked at in perspective.

I don't have a horse in this race, so I don't really care if they get off either. But I think what jmack is trying to say is, karma can be a bitch wink.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 05:58 PM

I f they don't get off it doesn't hurt the philly mob, their probably making guys as we speak, and if joey don't want the job mazzone will become the official boss, they will do good under him
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 06:14 PM

Just going off the presented evidence and defense but I agree with big fella - Stevie more than capable
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 07:01 PM

Personally i think from the witnesses and evidence the feds have presented Borgesi should beat the case, but if he doesn't and he gets royally screwed...it couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

I just hope someone could take a pic of George when the Judge says he was found guilty....he's gonna blow up like a nuke in the courtroom. They better have some extra security there just in case but i'm sure they already plan to.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: jmack
Originally Posted By: Jose
If Georgie walks he'll stay in SP with his family if he's able to. No business in Boca or South Florida - he will want to spend time with his wife. I was at the trial on Thursday morning during the tape - jury listened to a 60 or 90 second recording - my opinion is that it was good for defense bad for aponick and DA. Georgie looked good and confident as he should with the evidence and witnesses presented .. Joe looked good also - it's a shame they have been kept them inside this long - abuse of power and I'm no homer. DA and team definatley looking to pad their resumes. Messing with people's lives while doing it is pretty low.


Its pretty ironic that you think the government is messing with Georgie's life. This guy is a multiple murderer who has made a living destroying other peoples lives. Now it doesn't matter to me whether they get off or not, but if they don't, its not exactly a miscarriage of justice. Everything needs to be looked at in perspective.

I don't have a horse in this race, so I don't really care if they get off either. But I think what jmack is trying to say is, karma can be a bitch wink.



Exactly!
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 07:21 PM

LMAO-I hope he gets his salad tossed for the next 20 years
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 08:35 PM

I have said it too,that if Borgesi gets off I just don't see him falling in line like a team player.if he does get off after the celebration I'm sure he will get right down to business.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 08:38 PM

If they get off it'll be one hell of a party at Saloon.
Posted By: LuckyDucky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/11/14 10:44 PM

Let's hope they don't take any more group photos at the party! Ha ha !
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 01:31 AM

What's it like in the lock-up at the Federal Bldg.Do these guys all have their own cells or is it more like an atmosphere where there is a day room where they play cards and watch TV.Sometimes I wonder are they kicked back in their own cells watching the games and bullshitting with each other.Not that I would want to be there in anyway but that at least makes it seem bearable and the time goes by faster.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 02:47 AM

Is there no chance all those years in prison changed Borgesi like it did Merlino? They were both pretty crazy when they got locked up.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 03:08 AM

The family's pretty small but there all very dangerous. So a old guy like scoops an northern jersey knows he got a bunch of crazy killers rite down the road must make him feel good at any sitdown. The whole luchese crew is goin to jail and that's like 30 guys.they were killing a lot compared to the NYC family's.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 03:43 AM

If I were Scoops (twilight years, just beat a case) i would step down and move to FLA. I could maybe handle time of i was a y as ai youngster but as a geezer i might think twice before doing my time
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 04:08 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
If I were Scoops (twilight years, just beat a case) i would step down and move to FLA. I could maybe handle time of i was a y as ai youngster but as a geezer i might think twice before doing my time

A lot of seniors can do prison time like any youngsters. Short stints don't faze these life-long criminals. And 63 isn't too old for a mobster.

And how deeply involved was Scoops? Was he really into anything other than typical loan sharking and gambling rackets? The fact that the Feds had next to nothing on him makes me think he wasn't.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 04:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
If I were Scoops (twilight years, just beat a case) i would step down and move to FLA. I could maybe handle time of i was a y as ai youngster but as a geezer i might think twice before doing my time

A lot of seniors can do prison time like any youngsters. Short stints don't faze these life-long criminals. And 63 isn't too old for a mobster.

And how deeply involved was Scoops? Was he really into anything other than typical loan sharking and gambling rackets? The fact that the Feds had next to nothing on him makes me think he wasn't.


Ya thats basically all the Noth Jersey crew is into nowadays. exactly the feds had nothing on him but him shooting the breeze with the gambinos at the lunch, it was a defiantly a stretch to involve him in this case but i guess the feds didnt have anything to lose by throwing a conspiracy charge at him hoping they would get lucky. And i dont think Scoops is going anywhere.
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 06:53 PM

Off topic question: Is joey merlino really on 5 feet 3 inches tall? and weighs 120 lbs?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 06:59 PM

I dont know exactly what his size is but ya hes pretty short, in recent pics he doesnt look like he weighs 120, looks like he got pretty buff while he was in prison.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 08:24 PM

That 5'3" height for Merlino comes from his page on the AC Casino exclusion list.

http://www.nj.gov/oag/ge/exclusion/merlino_joseph.htm

At one time Merlino was a jockey....either in his late teens or very early 20's...i forget which.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 08:42 PM

I'm surprised we've never seen him referred to as "the little guy." I've never in my life heard of a wiseguy that short who hasn't been referred to that way.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 09:16 PM

I might be wrong but i think Merlino is a little bit taller then 5'3"...i think he's around 5'5". The info on that exclusion list page comes from when he was arrested back in 1982 for stabbing some guy at a bar in AC with one of the Scafidi's.

But then again maybe he really is only 5'3"....who knows. lol
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/12/14 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
If they get off it'll be one hell of a party at Saloon.


Yeah you going to be there Jose. I spoke with the Ligambi kids were going to have a camera crew there if he does win
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 02:31 AM

Originally Posted By: 22
What's it like in the lock-up at the Federal Bldg.Do these guys all have their own cells or is it more like an atmosphere where there is a day room where they play cards and watch TV.Sometimes I wonder are they kicked back in their own cells watching the games and bullshitting with each other.Not that I would want to be there in anyway but that at least makes it seem bearable and the time goes by faster.


lol This gave me a good laugh
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 03:55 AM

Seriously lol
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:47 AM

What am I missing,I mean I'm not quite sure how to take that.Sometimes you just try and picture the atmosphere of something to get a better idea of things.Sounds like you guys are from the area and may have visited somebody in there.Or even though I've never been there I should know exactly what it looks like.Clue me in on the ''joke''.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 09:14 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I'm surprised we've never seen him referred to as "the little guy." I've never in my life heard of a wiseguy that short who hasn't been referred to that way.


Bugger that. I want to start a petition to local philly goodfellas to rename him 'the jockey!'
Posted By: NickyWhip

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 02:55 PM

In pics of him standing next to Ligambi he looks at least as tall or taller than Ligambi. and video of him from mob talk, the one with him walking with Mikey Chang and a few others, he looks as tall as them. It can't be that everyone is short; that 5-3 must be incorrect.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 07:56 PM

Whoooohoooo another mistrial, these guys deserve to go home ASAP, congrats
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 07:56 PM

And they shouldn't be retried, give it up Johnny chu lollollol
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 07:57 PM

You have got to be kidding,these people can't reach a verdict,what a joke,how hard can it be.Guilty or Not Guilty,2 choices,what's the problem?
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:08 PM


The judge sent them back and told them to keep trying lol!


Jury to judge in Phila. mob trial: We're deadlocked

Jeremy Roebuck, Inquirer Staff Writer
January 13, 2014, 2:40 PM

Prosecutors trying the racketeering conspiracy case against reputed Philadelphia mob boss Joseph Ligambi heard the five words from jurors Monday they hoped never to hear again:

We are at an impasse.

The panel of nine women and one man told U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno that after 21/2 days of deliberations and two votes, they felt they could not come to unanimous verdict on either the case against Ligambi, 74, or his 50-year-old nephew George Borgesi.

Prosecutors have accused both men of overseeing the mob's loansharking and illegal gambling rackets across the region for more than a decade.

"A discussion late morning confirmed these are our final votes," the note read. "There was no unanimity on any one count."

After consulting with the lawyers, Robreno called jurors back into the courtroom, urged them to try again, and sent them back to deliberations.

He hoped to avoid the same type of jury deadlock that resulted in a mistrial for the two men during their first trial last year.

"I think it's way too early," Robreno said in court Monday. "We had 25 days of trial, and three days of deliberations."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaki...deadlocked.html
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:10 PM

Here we go again .. I don't think this drags out as long as the last one ..
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
You have got to be kidding,these people can't reach a verdict,what a joke,how hard can it be.Guilty or Not Guilty,2 choices,what's the problem?


Supposedly they should know pretty soon. Robreno won't let another mistrial happen it makes him look incompetent.
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Here we go again .. I don't think this drags out as long as the last one ..


Jose do you have any family involved with the trial or just a hobby to go down there and watch. I had to watch a few federal trials when I was in law school. Sad part I never finished law school though
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:13 PM


All you need is one juror...wonder if they got to one of them?

Probably not...but you never know. wink
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:21 PM

3 15pm so courts out a 4 maybe some verdict. they got to get bail or the shit is suspect.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:23 PM

NS - None - just following a few federal trials
Posted By: padrone

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:26 PM

What are the odds of the feds trying this again? Seems like a pretty weak case but look what they did to Gotti Jr. when they had a hard on for him.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:38 PM

If they hang no way they retry or I would be very surprised - at the least they get bail.
Posted By: padrone

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:38 PM

Assuming they are a hung jury (Sorry)
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:41 PM

Prosecutors trying the racketeering conspiracy case against reputed Philadelphia mob boss Joseph Ligambi heard the five words from jurors Monday they hoped never to hear again:

We are at an impasse.

The panel of nine women and one man told U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno that after 21/2 days of deliberations and two votes, they felt they could not come to unanimous verdict on either the case against Ligambi, 74, or his 50-year-old nephew George Borgesi.

Prosecutors have accused both men of overseeing the mob's loansharking and illegal gambling rackets across the region for more than a decade.

"A discussion late morning confirmed these are our final votes," the note read. "There was no unanimity on any one count."

After consulting with the lawyers, Robreno called jurors back into the courtroom, urged them to try again, and sent them back to deliberations.

He hoped to avoid the same type of jury deadlock that resulted in a mistrial for the two men during their first trial last year.

"I think it's way too early," Robreno said in court Monday. "We had 25 days of trial, and three days of deliberations."


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaki...ss5ccCJ5h7mP.99
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:42 PM

Looking good for these gents
Posted By: Iheartgeorge

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:44 PM

MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!!!!! GEORGE IS COMING HOME!!!
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 08:48 PM

All the stuff you have heard about the wasted money spent over the years would never be more prevalent if there was a 2nd hung jury.Then I would think that without a doubt it's a wasted effort if that were the case.
Posted By: Iheartgeorge

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 09:00 PM

We found out who your are ..You sent a few people away and ran ro florida
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 09:10 PM

What are you talking about,I don't know any of these guys.Put away who,I'm a regular-person.Where do you come up with these accusations from.I have lived in Florida over 20 years.where do you get this from.You are 100% off base here.
Posted By: SC

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 09:14 PM

Pay no attention to that poster. He's been banned. He's obviously a troll and not worthy of a reply.
Posted By: uptempo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 09:20 PM

Is the court now finished for today ? If this is another hung jury surely these two have to walk or at the very least make bail.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 09:48 PM

Surprised they just don't cut these 2 sweet deals 3 or 4 yes +3 yes probation. No one in the FBI gonna get promoted after this train wreak. NY would have gave them plea bargains. Even the judge looks bad.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 09:55 PM

Yeah I hear you SC I got a feeling it was the same person that you banned last time for making false accusations.The most ridiculous thing I have ever heard,then you feel like you have to defend yourself,and then you say why I am I even doing that its so stupid.It burns me up when you get on here act respectable have good conversations then out of the blue somebody tries to make you look bad.Unbelievable.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
Yeah I hear you SC I got a feeling it was the same person that you banned last time for making false accusations.The most ridiculous thing I have ever heard,then you feel like you have to defend yourself,and then you say why I am I even doing that its so stupid.It burns me up when you get on here act respectable have good conversations then out of the blue somebody tries to make you look bad.Unbelievable.


That guy seemed very familiar to the last one that got booted on the Merlino Philly thread. the "Caps Lock King"
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 10:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Iheartgeorge
YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ASSHOLE..GIANCARLO..YOU CAN'T CARRY THAT NAME YOU'LL NEVER BE HALF THE MAN YOUR MOTHER WAS !!!

Hey look who it is...my favorite drooling window licker "Little" Dickie Moltisanti....Whats up Short Bus?

Look "Little" Dickie, i know your classified by Social Security as a disabled special needs retard but you really need some new material.....yours is about as lame as it gets. You sound like a 5 year old down syndrome imbecile with tourettes. So work that single digit IQ of yours and try a little harder.

C'mon ShortBus...you can do it!

And yes mom might of had some masculine features and MAYBE she had a dick at one time but i guarantee you she's all woman now! Those estrogen shots really did the job! I'll be sure to tell mom you send your love and you miss sucking on her cock....when she had one that is.

Hope your having a GREAT New Year "Little" Dickie!

Hugs and Kisses,

Your Pal 4ever.

GC
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 10:21 PM

The judge on this case is a real scumbag, the jury basically said there verdict but he wants them to deliberate more? Why cause they didn't come back with a guilty verdict? I hope they make bail by tomorrow!!! And the DA and judge are demoted.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 11:06 PM

Where is George A and his article?! Fucking Bumb, if they were Guilty he woulda wrote something at lunch, but since it's gonna be another Mistrial unless the GovtGang muscles a juror, these reporters don't write, they lose all there credibility with me, there one sided jagoffs!!!
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 11:11 PM

GA lost his credibility a while ago...and yes I do believe that the Feds will do ALL they can not to have them freed...their own careers are at stake.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/13/14 11:20 PM

MONDAY, JANUARY 13, 2014

Ligambi Jury At `Impasse,` Deliberations Continue
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net


They've been here before.

The jury in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi told a judge today that it was at an 'impasse" and unable to reach a unanimous verdict in the case.

But Judge Eduardo Robreno told the panel of 11 women and man to keep working.

"It was a long trial," Robreno said in a brief comment to the panel after the jurors had been called back into the courtroom around 2 p.m. "Go back and continue working."

The jury did just that, then recessed for the day at 4 p.m. Deliberations are to resume tomorrow at 9:30.

Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, have been through this before. In their first trial, the jury deliberated for three weeks before returning a split verdict. At one point, Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor said it appeared the group was "wandering in the desert" and asked the judge to provide the jurors with a copy of the indictment.

Robreno denied that request. But in the retrial, both sides agreed prior to the start of the trial that a copy of the indictment would be provided when deliberations began,

This afternoon, Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, quipped "At least we know they're not wandering in the desert. This time they have a copy of the indictment."

The note sent out by the panel read in part, "We have voted at least two times...and we are at an impasse." The note also said that there was no unanimity on any of the five charges they are considering.

"I think it's very early in the process," Robreno said to the lawyers prior to calling the panel in and responding to the note. Deliberations began late Wednesday afternoon, the judge noted. The jury met for about six hours on Thursday, but did not meet Friday.

It has deliberated about three hours today before sending out the note.

In the first trial, the jury deliberated for three weeks after hearing testimony for three months. That case involved seven defendants and 62 counts. The jury returned not guilty verdicts on 46 counts, guilty verdicts on five and hung on 11 others.

This case involved just two defendants and the five counts on which the jury hung against them.

Ligambi is facing a racketeering conspiracy count, two counts of illegal gambling and one count of witness tampering. Borgesi faces only a racketeering conspiracy charge.

Neither defendant said much when they were called into the courtroom today, although both nodded and smiled at a dozen family members and friends who have been keeping a vigil on the 15th floor since deliberations began.

Borgesi was found not guilty of 13 of the 14 counts he faced in the first trial. Ligambi was acquitted of four of nine counts.

While it's impossible to determine how split the panel is, the fact that there is not unanimity on any count is, at least in the short run, a victory for the defense. Both Warren and Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., launched blistering attacks on the government's case and their key witnesses.

They argued that the prosecution had overcharged what amounted to a minor gambling case, cobbling together unrelated crimes by various individuals to create a racketeering enterprise where one did not exist.

Throughout his closing argument, Jacobs told the jury that the mob no longer exists, calling it "an impotent shell" and described Ligambi as the "titular head" of an organization that FBI had dismantled more than a decade ago.

Labor and Assistant U.S. Attorney John Han, the key prsoecutors in the case, argued that Ligambi and Borgesi used the mob's historic reputation for violence to advance gambling and loansharking schemes from which they both benefitted.

The case against Borgesi is built almost entirely around the testimony of mob informants Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and Anthony Aponick. The defense urged the jurors seriously consider they could live with themselves if they sent a defendant to jail based on the testimony of two witnesses who credibility and testimony was tainted and self-serving.

George Anastasia can be contacted at George@bigtrial.net.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/ligambi-jury-at-impasse-deliberations.html#utE6dQkB738UkyKI.99
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 12:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
The judge on this case is a real scumbag, the jury basically said there verdict but he wants them to deliberate more? Why cause they didn't come back with a guilty verdict? I hope they make bail by tomorrow!!! And the DA and judge are demoted.

It could work in the defense's favor. If they are forced to deliberate even though they can't come to an agreement, the jury would be more likely to acquit than convict in order to end the trial.
Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 12:12 AM

Longer this goes, the chances for either mistrial or not guilty on everything increases. The government has lost for a second time.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 01:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
The judge on this case is a real scumbag, the jury basically said there verdict but he wants them to deliberate more? Why cause they didn't come back with a guilty verdict? I hope they make bail by tomorrow!!! And the DA and judge are demoted.

It could work in the defense's favor. If they are forced to deliberate even though they can't come to an agreement, the jury would be more likely to acquit than convict in order to end the trial.


You're probably right, but what if it is 11-1 to convict? Who knows at this point. Very good chance they get off. Joe will prob retire after this. Die in his bed. Georgie will be locked back up at some point.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 12:29 PM

If Georgie gets out today, tomorrow he will be driving around South philly starting shit with every person he feels owes him money. But I am almost certain he falls in line and is back at consig. or capo at least. Him and stevie grew up together and are tight. BUT He's a loose cannon and i wouldnt want to take my advice from a maniac like that..Ligambi probably retires if hes smart.
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 12:37 PM

Any ideas on when a verdict should be released ??
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 01:56 PM

their not even in session until 930 dom...later today is my guess...these ppl want to go home
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 02:18 PM

Thanks cheech
Posted By: azguy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 02:48 PM

It seems near impossible that they would be found guilty at this point....

Hopefully, the government will learn something and stop using these loser ass snitches and rat turncoats that are worse people than the folks they are testifying against.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: azguy
It seems near impossible that they would be found guilty at this point....

Hopefully, the government will learn something and stop using these loser ass snitches and rat turncoats that are worse people than the folks they are testifying against.


Fuck yeah I totally agree
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
If Georgie gets out today, tomorrow he will be driving around South philly starting shit with every person he feels owes him money. But I am almost certain he falls in line and is back at consig. or capo at least. Him and stevie grew up together and are tight. BUT He's a loose cannon and i wouldnt want to take my advice from a maniac like that..Ligambi probably retires if hes smart.


If he's Consig then that's embarrassing for Philly, the consigliere's meant to be smart, not a moronic street thug like Borgesi, he'll be back in prison within 2 years. He'll stay as captain, Mazzone, Chang and Lance are the top 3, they almost certainly hold the admin titles.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 03:34 PM

Well when he went in mazzone was underboss and Georgie was consig. and just about everything I have heard or read in the last ten years claims George is still official consigliere .. your right about borgesi not being a good choice for the position but like Georgie said, Georgie, Skinny Joey, and Mazzone fought for control of the family and uncle joe was keeping the seat warm for them. So time will tell.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 03:38 PM

And as of today I def agree Stevie, Chang, and Lance are probably top 3 on the street, but if Georgie and Uncle Joe are Not Guilty and get released tommorrow things could change very quickly.
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 05:43 PM

Mazzone, George, and Joey as well as others did fight and they won. I like George A says by Default but they did off a few guys and got away with it. It was their backyard, they knew the spots where they could and couldn't pull shit off. Look what happen to the other-side with Stanfa they all went down. I actually picked up that book the Goodfella Tapes when I was on a flight the other week. If your interested in the Philly mob it's a great book. The transcripts from the Camden attorney's office Sal Avena was nice to read. It was Stanfa, Billy D'Elia, Piccolo, and maybe one or two other guys discussing war strategies and mob business.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 07:51 PM

So another day about to go buy and the judge is holding them hosteg to get a verdict that's fuckd. This guy just wants to give Joe 20 yrs. What about they walk today the agents will at the county jail visiting nicodemo with a section 8 voacher anywhere in the usa and a million in a briefcase saying you ready to start snitching.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 08:15 PM

This fucking judge is pissing me off, I can't imagine how the defense family feels, they basically said they can't come up with a verdict so therefore they need to stay and deliberate more?! Wtf is that, he don't realize even the jurors are sick of this BullShit, what happens if they come back with Guilty? I would throw that room up for grabs if I was one of them or family, they have went well beyond of violating there Civil Rights, Judge Robreno is a JagOff NOGood motherfucker, he hates Italians especially if thee labeled MOB by the DA.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 08:18 PM

So much anger. Do you not realize that judges do this when there is a hung jury? It's not uncommon.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 08:26 PM

It would be great if we could get the vote count on the charges. Was it a lone holdout? Or a even split among the jurors? It would tell us alot if we knew it....and if it was a lone holdout or maybe a couple it might make the Feds go another round with trial #3.

But if a majority of the jurors were for acquittal then the feds would have serious doubts about any conviction in a future trial....without any new evidence that is.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
So much anger. Do you not realize that judges do this when there is a hung jury? It's not uncommon.

No doubt this jury didn't deliberate that long....just a few days. Lazy fucks....the Judge did the usual and right thing...he sent them back and told them to try to come up with a verdict. Probably at least a few more days before the judge declares a mistrial.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 08:45 PM

Scumbag judge, I don't care what you guys say, he is ProGovt and wants to slam these guys like he did there friends. Judge is NOGOOD
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 08:50 PM

Sure...he probably is ProGovt. Most of the federal judges i've observed are.

The Judge in the Scarfo case...Judge Kugler is pretty tough too....definitely ProGovt. I think he's worse then this guy. Check out Sal Pelullo's blog....he's been bitching about the judge since he got locked up.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 08:55 PM

No verdict today
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 08:58 PM

thanks Jose
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
No verdict today

Thanks Jose.

I bet the judge will make them deliberate until friday and if they still say they're deadlocked then the Judge might make the call then to declare a mistrial. Just a hunch on my part.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 10:14 PM

New article on bigtrial gents - doesn't say much. I'm sure the comment is bullshit at the bottom of the article though
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
New article on bigtrial gents - doesn't say much. I'm sure the comment is bullshit at the bottom of the article though

Your right Jose...it really doesn't say too much. Maybe he'll add to it later.

Tuesday, January 14, 2014

No Questions, No Verdict In Mob Trial

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

One day after declaring they were at an impasse, jurors in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi spent about seven hours deliberating behind closed doors, then called it a day.

The panel is due back 9:30 tomorrow to start what will be the fifth day of deliberations in the trial which began back in November. There were no questions or notes sent to the judge today, but at the end of the day word was that the jury had a list of items and perhaps questions that it would present first thing in the morning.

It was impossible to determine whether the ongoing talks had broken the logjam. In a note sent Monday afternoon the panel said it had voted twice on all five charges and had not reached unanimity on any question.

The jury in the first trial deliberated for 21 days.

According to one source in the defense camp, the panel has already inquired about next Monday -- a federal holiday, Martin Luther King Day -- and whether deliberations would be held in the event there was no verdict before then.

http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/no-questions-no-verdict-in-mob-trial.html
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/14/14 10:26 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
What about they walk today the agents will at the county jail visiting nicodemo with a section 8 voacher anywhere in the usa and a million in a briefcase saying you ready to start snitching.

That's EXACTLY what they're going to do. Now I'm not saying it'll work. I'm a Bronx guy and I don't know Nicodemo from a hole in the wall. But when they lose here, they'll offer him more incentive than ever to flip.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 02:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Scumbag judge, I don't care what you guys say, he is ProGovt and wants to slam these guys like he did there friends. Judge is NOGOOD


Some people on this board are so ignorant of the legal process. A properly functioning judge benefits not the state nor the defendants. A judge's job is to make sure that attorneys' motions match Federal/ State code and go through proper channels. He is to help make sure that defense and the government's questions and discovery do not confuse the lay jury. Don't get me wrong, I have very strong opinions about this retrial and these charges, but there have been a ton of ignorant comments about the legal process on this thread. Lame pot shots at the judge take the cake.

Or were you expecting Hon. Robreno (a citizen), to just let Ligambi and Borgesi leave the courthouse with their families every day after hearings?
Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 03:40 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Scumbag judge, I don't care what you guys say, he is ProGovt and wants to slam these guys like he did there friends. Judge is NOGOOD


Some people on this board are so ignorant of the legal process. A properly functioning judge benefits not the state nor the defendants. A judge's job is to make sure that attorneys' motions match Federal/ State code and go through proper channels. He is to help make sure that defense and the government's questions and discovery do not confuse the lay jury. Don't get me wrong, I have very strong opinions about this retrial and these charges, but there have been a ton of ignorant comments about the legal process on this thread. Lame pot shots at the judge take the cake.

Or were you expecting Hon. Robreno (a citizen), to just let Ligambi and Borgesi leave the courthouse with their families every day after hearings?


You are really kidding yourself. The vast majority of federal judges, having backgrounds themselves with the US attorney's office, are very often slighted towards the prosecution. If anything, these mafia trials in Philly have proven the extent to which a federal judge is willing to hand out moronic sentences and rule in every fashion for the prosecution.

It is really great to watch federal prosecutors, themselves the product of a winner-take-all, convictions at any cost system that produces massive misconduct (as Judge Kozinski has openly stated) go on to accept and prompt such behavior from the "objective" bench.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/blistering-9th-circuit-di_n_4426802.html
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 03:50 AM

I'm not "kidding myself". I understand that many judges may have been prosecutors in the past. I'm not saying that their personal feelings probably lead them to feel that Ligambi and Borgesi are guilty as sin. But if a judge were to sandbag to personally develop a hardon for Ligambi and Borgesi would open them up to multiple appeals and a review de novo. Trust me, the last thing Robreno wants is to negatively influence the trial. In many states an attorney can file a motion to the bias judge's peers. There are plenty of judges that are "soft on crime" order the trial reviewed de novo.

I'm glad you could find one article citing biased judges. It doesn't mean it will be the case here. I've listened to a majority of the first trial. While I'm not excellent at Civil Procedure of Federal Law, nothing he ordered (other than remanding defendants to stay locked up) could be determined as "egregious favoritism". Even allowing Nicky Skins tapes was legal. But man… Eddie and the rest of the Defense Attorneys have won many of their motions.

Now on the other hand, if you wana view this trial as a baseball game with your LCN hat on… go ahead and yell at the "blind umpire". But he hasn't strayed from Judicial norms of a Federal Trial Judge.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 04:44 AM

Well my reason for taking shots at the judge is 1 the way he slammed the other defendants that were in the first trial, to me it was wrong and 2 the way he wouldn't post bail for these guys.
I agree with the job description of a judge that you gave but from my P.O.V it seems he's not followed it and he's one sided.
Anyways my opinions are based on what I read, far from philly just an outsider following a trial for 2 years and I want it to end so I don't need to continue to go on jagoff bigtrial website, that guy really pisses me off, and really the only reason because there's no freedom of speech on there, if he don't agree with what you say he doesn't post it. This websites the shit lol
Posted By: bobbyvegas

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 05:54 AM

90% of the people on this forum are jagoffs. Niceguy, its the judges job to send the jury in to get a verdict.
Posted By: ovation32

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 05:57 AM

Honestly, if these guys get acquitted it does not look so bad for Philly:

Merlino
Ligambi
Mazzone
Georgie
Lancellotti
Scoops

All out on the street . . . Staino and Lucibello doing some time. Not terrible.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 10:44 AM

Isn't John Ciangalini, Joe Grande, Wayne Grande, and Eric Esposito out there too?
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 11:32 AM

And the narducci brothers
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 12:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Isn't John Ciangalini, Joe Grande, Wayne Grande, and Eric Esposito out there too?

Wayne Grande is a rat and Esposito is also under indictment but was severed from the case
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 01:15 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyL
Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
Isn't John Ciangalini, Joe Grande, Wayne Grande, and Eric Esposito out there too?

Wayne Grande is a rat and Esposito is also under indictment but was severed from the case


Surely he meant Dom Grande.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 02:25 PM

Just an FYI for those who have twitter .. A good person to follow re the trial is Jeremy Roebuck .. Usually good with quick updates - he works for the daily news.
Cheers
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 02:52 PM

Jose you the man, hopefully this wraps up today....Free the guys
Posted By: spmob

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 03:03 PM

Jose, You think you can post those updates made by Jeremy Roebuck for those of us that are not on twitter?
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 03:08 PM

SP you don't actually need to have an account jus computer access and search for his account. Full disclosure it's nothing you haven't read before, just another outlet but sometimes he posts quickly
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 05:58 PM


this is why the trial was postponed last week. smfh...

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Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 06:24 PM

Wow that's fucked up and funny, I don't know who the jokes on though, the guys or the govt lol
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 06:25 PM

Vito how do you upload that?
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: LaLouisiane
Vito how do you upload that?


take screenshot (I used Lightshot Chrome extension)
save screenshot to computer
switch to full reply screen and click file manager (its in red)
choose file and add it.
post
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 06:39 PM

Apparently in the morning session they asked to hear some recordings ..
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 06:48 PM

free the boys!
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 09:21 PM

no verdict after day 5
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 09:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
no verdict after day 5


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Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 09:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Apparently in the morning session they asked to hear some recordings ..

Could mean anything. Could mean nothing.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 10:16 PM

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 15, 2014

Do Tapes Hold The Answer In Mob Trial?
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

It could be a tale of the tapes, and that might not be a good thing for the defense.

Jurors started their fifth day of deliberations in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi by asking to hear replays of several tapes introduced by the prosecution during the eight-week trial.

And they ended the day by asking to hear a half dozen more.

The panel of 11 women and one man is due to resume deliberations at 9:30 tomorrow morning. Whether they have overcome the impasse cited in a jury note on Monday remains an open question. What does appear clear is that the panel is working.

Most of the tapes played today were used by the prosecution to support the conspiracy charge that is at the heart of the case.

But the panel also asked to rehear a now infamous tape picked up on a Pennsylvania State Police wiretap in the late 1990s in which Borgesi is heard boasting and cackling about how he beat up and knocked out mob associate Angelo Lutz.

While that tape has little, if anything, to do with the conspiracy charge Borgesi, 50. is fighting, it was used by the prosecution to show the jury what authorities allege is Borgesi's arrogant and violent nature. The tape was first played in the 2001 racketeering trial in which Borgesi, Lutz, Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino and four others were convicted.

It was reprised and played again in the first Ligambi trial last year. Four defendants were convicted in that case, one was acquitted and the jury hung on charges against Ligambi and Borgesi, setting up the retrial that began in November.

The other tapes the jury asked to hear today focused on the charges against Ligambi. The prosecution alleges that "Uncle Joe" oversaw an organized crime gambling and loansharking operations. Government expert witnesses testified that money is routinely "kicked up" to the boss in a crime family.

While there was little evidence linking Ligambi, 74, directly to any criminal activity, there were tapes in which his role was mentioned.

On one tape replayed for the jury today bookmaker Gary Battaglini, who was convicted in the first Ligambi trial, is heard telling a deadbeat gambling that the money he owes goes to "Uncle Joe." On the same tape, Battaglini says that Ligambi doesn't care about anything, "he just wants his money."

The defense could take some solace, however, in another tape in which Joseph "Scoops" Licata, the only defendant acquitted in the first trial, is heard praising Ligambi as a boss who never asks for anything. Earlier in the same tape, recorded at a North Jersey restaurant, Licata introduced Ligambi to several New York mobsters as "acting boss" of the Philadelphia mob.

In tapes played at the end of today's session, the jury heard Michael Orlando, who was wearing a wire and cooperating with the FBI, discussing his gambling debts with mobster Damion Canalichio and, on another tape, with mob underboss Joseph "Mousie" Massimino. Canalichio and Massimino were also convicted in the first trial.

The defense has portrayed Orlando as a drug addicted degenerate gambler and less than credible witness. The conversations played today centered on debts of about $9,000 that Orlando owed to various mob figures.

The defense contends Orlando used the FBI to pay off some of those debts and then hid behind the protection of the federal government to avoid paying the rest.

In a discussion with Canalichio, Orlando explained how he was having trouble coming up with the money he owed. Canalichio, in reply, said, "It's not my money," adding that it was Ligambi's.

"It's Uncle Joe"s?" Orlando asked nervously.

On another tape, however, Canalichio refers to "Stevie's money," an apparent reference to mob capo Steven Mazzone. The defense has argued repeatedly that many of the debts discussed on tapes played for the jury were money owed to Mazzone, not Ligambi.

The prosecution, however, says that as boss Ligambi had a piece of everyone's action.

That could be the question the anonymously selected jury was wrestling with as it headed home after its fifth day of deliberations.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/do-tapes-hold-answer-in-mob-trial.html#jEtfKaxx66J8pV7e.99
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 10:23 PM

one mobster says Uncle Joe doesn't care about anything and that "he just wants his money."

the other describes Uncle Joe "as a boss who never asks for anything"
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/15/14 10:45 PM

These guys are so fucked, the laws are made for MOB guys so they can't win. I feel bad for there families, this case should have been tossed on Monday but no Crooked Robreno is making them find a verdict, and Fuck whoever has a problem with me taking a shot at the judge.
Why is it legal for them to play a tape of a beating that was 15yrs ago against someone who isn't even part of the trial, and they played it in 01 and 14?
This is a miscarriage of justice to the fullest.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 12:25 AM

I agree with you Nice_Guy 100%...but these guys are cooked...changing my view...both guilty...Uncle Joe will die in prison and Georgie will come in 2034 and no one will remember who he was
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 12:38 AM

Respectfully disagree guys - I think there are a few that don't agree with sending these guys away from the evidence presented and witnesses. I don't think extra tapes and recordings will change their mind. We'll see and I can't see Robreno taking this past Friday. Apparently the notes to the judge made it clear it was a final vote each time. Either you beeline the witnesses or you don't and I don't think they believe Aponivk and Lou. Really how can you?
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 01:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Respectfully disagree guys - I think there are a few that don't agree with sending these guys away from the evidence presented and witnesses. I don't think extra tapes and recordings will change their mind. We'll see and I can't see Robreno taking this past Friday. Apparently the notes to the judge made it clear it was a final vote each time. Either you beeline the witnesses or you don't and I don't think they believe Aponivk and Lou. Really how can you?


Trust me I wanna see these guys NOT GUILTY and I never woulda believed them 2 creep Rat liars, but I wonder if the people that said they couldn't decide we'll stick to there guns, from the way these articles are written it sounds like there Fucked, but your right gotta stay positive lol
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 01:39 AM

@Nice Guy.. just what so you mean you dont believe the 2 rats. Like what parts of the testimony sound unbelievable?
Posted By: padrone

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 02:51 AM

In the article posted above, it says that the defense was trying to paint it as Stevie's money that was owed. How do you guys think that will play on the streets? Seems to me that they are throwing Mazzone under the bus. Does this piss him off or does he see it as do what you have to do to survive?
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: padrone
In the article posted above, it says that the defense was trying to paint it as Stevie's money that was owed. How do you guys think that will play on the streets? Seems to me that they are throwing Mazzone under the bus. Does this piss him off or does he see it as do what you have to do to survive?


Good news is Stevie beat this case. More good news is, Jacobs could say Stevie killed Kennedy and it wouldn't matter. They're not going to put the entirely new case together with the same facts only for Mazzone's lawyer to go, "It's Uncle Joe's money!" And play the tape that says that all over again.

When you are found 'not guilty' in a court of law, it does not by any stretch of the imagination mean you were found 'innocent' (think about that for a second). The name of the game is to create a litttttle bit of doubt, just enough. I'm sure Stevie knows what they're doing is kosher.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 03:24 AM

That last part with Uncle Joe looks so incriminating when they said it was his money,how do you get around that.Borgesi seems like he has a fighting chance but when they explained that RICO law they made it clear that you don't have to commit the crime but just benefit from it.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 04:04 AM

I heard those tapes - not as incriminating as it read in print .. It could possibly be any other joe in south Philly / I don't think they said uncle joe .. Only joe .. I say again on the evidence they should be not guilty. No question about it in my opinion. will report back from the trial tomorrow bc I think tomorrow is judgement day.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 04:45 AM

Non biased opinion but no way they should be guilty at all. The awful witnesses and testimony should clear them - cheers fellas
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 04:46 AM

[quote=FrankMazola]@Nice Guy.. just what so you mean you dont believe the 2 rats. Like what parts of the testimony sound unbelievable?

There testimony was too the same, they rehearsed or was scripted by the FBI or them 2 morons,which is illegal.

Tell me that's impossible Frank
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 06:21 AM

I hear you Jose hopefully the jury won't base everything on that,but look at excert from big trial.net right above you,they do refer to him as ''Uncle Joe''
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 12:23 PM

Mazzones father in law Joe Malone could be called 'Uncle Joe' by Stevies kids. smile .. Hes not made but I know hes dirty
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 01:31 PM

Most importantly,

What happened to the cat?
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Most importantly,

What happened to the cat?


Word on the street is that Georgie's people were holding the cat in the event the juror voted for a conviction. wink
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 02:23 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: padrone
In the article posted above, it says that the defense was trying to paint it as Stevie's money that was owed. How do you guys think that will play on the streets? Seems to me that they are throwing Mazzone under the bus. Does this piss him off or does he see it as do what you have to do to survive?


Good news is Stevie beat this case. More good news is, Jacobs could say Stevie killed Kennedy and it wouldn't matter. They're not going to put the entirely new case together with the same facts only for Mazzone's lawyer to go, "It's Uncle Joe's money!" And play the tape that says that all over again.

When you are found 'not guilty' in a court of law, it does not by any stretch of the imagination mean you were found 'innocent' (think about that for a second). The name of the game is to create a litttttle bit of doubt, just enough. I'm sure Stevie knows what they're doing is kosher.


This was a really good post Frank.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 05:16 PM

@Nice_Guy
Okay.
Have they rehearsed testimony with the same prosecutors? Probably. Do Prosecutors always play by the rules? No. I personally feel that RICO is a Third Amendment violation.

But if you honestly believe in your heart of hearts that Bent Finger Lou wasn't giving Georgie's envelope's to his wife or that "It's Joe's money" Doesn't refer to acting boss Joe Ligambi, you're crazy.

If the Prosecutors were going to make up a case against these guys they would use larger sums of money than Georgie was getting. Don't you think they could do a better job of faking a mob case? I know I could.

Personally, I have some strong issues with this case. But at the same time, I know they're guilty as sin.

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 05:54 PM

I see you lurking, Jose. Now give us an update grin.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 06:08 PM

No new news guys
Posted By: moneyman

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 06:14 PM

Wonder how power structure will change if both are found innocent. Borgesi strikes me as someone most Philly guys on the street want nothing to do with, while Ligambi seems like polar opposite.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 06:18 PM

If Philly knows what is good for them they would shelve or at least demote Borgesi to Soldier (or worse).

If Joe is a glutton for punishment, they should let him keep sitting at the (acting) top spot.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 06:30 PM

@frank Do I think they are in the mob, for sure, do I think they probably get kick backs from guys on the street, for sure too.
But do these guys deserve 20yrs for these little amount of $ with no violence ABSOLULEY NOT. That is my point of why I say they should be
Let go.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 06:35 PM

Nice Guy - I think that thinking is the central part of the indecision by the jury. Jacobs made that point clear in his presentation - no act of violence.
Posted By: Southphilly4ever

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: moneyman
Wonder how power structure will change if both are found innocent. Borgesi strikes me as someone most Philly guys on the street want nothing to do with, while Ligambi seems like polar opposite.



I could see Uncle Joe sitting back from now on retired and still getting pension payments kick ups.

George on the other hand I think will be a major problem coming back. He will feel entitled and I really couldn't blame him being he served his time plus say through 2 trials afterwards and stood up. It would also be interesting since Narducci is back in the fold and from the photos we seen from the 80s George, unlike the rest of the young turks aside from Johnny Chang grew up around and was accepted by the old Scarfo guys.
Posted By: short841

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 07:09 PM

I am pretty sure if he retires and get these pension kick ups , he risks of still being indicted since he's linked to the illegal schemes.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 07:36 PM

Your right Jose, cause I really don't know shit and that's why I say THINK, hopefully the jury is thinking the same thing.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 07:39 PM

Everyone bashes Georgie but as a Gangster i bet you he is 1 of the main guys you want on your side, why do you think Skinny was his best friend along with mazzone, hes probably really good at what he does, and I mean in the Gangster world, he dont rat, gets his hands dirty and hes got Balls of steel, people on here may think he sucks, but i bet any old time G loves him, let me know what you think.
Everything we ever heard about the guy was from out the mouths of RATS, you cant take everything they say as the truth.
You all no that
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 08:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
@frank Do I think they are in the mob, for sure, do I think they probably get kick backs from guys on the street, for sure too.
.


Me too.
You’re right, they aren’t being charged with murder or violence. They are being charged with (basically): accepting “kick-backs” from: vending and video poker, gambling, and extortion (loans). So, without putting words in your mouth: it seems that you may think they are guilty too. If they are guilty, Federal Sentencing Guidelines don’t allow Hon. Robreno very much leeway in sentencing them. He gets a sentencing chart. So you'd be best served taking that complaint to your local Congressman.

If you think that sucks for Ligambi and Georgie, count them lucky.
If this were state charges, during sentencing the judge is allowed to take everything into account. “Reasonable Doubt” becomes “Preponderance of the Evidence”, a lower standard. That means he can look at Staino’s threats, Mousie’s charges, Damion’s transgressions, etc. The judge can even convict Ligambi and Borgesi (as part of the criminal conspiracy), of the things that the jury was unable to convict on. Using that, he could potentially give them max time even if only convicted on 1 or 2 of the charges. If that were the case, I’d join you in your pre-judgment of Hon. Eduardo Robreno.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 08:29 PM

Didn't Borgesi get his ass kicked by some guy and then sent his pitbull Lou, Ant and two others to kick the guys ass? I heard Big Lou hit him with a Louisville Slugger as the guy was walking his dog. He also bragged about knocking out the Pillsbury Dough boy Lutz after he got his ass kicked. He also got his wife involved. I don't think he will win any points with any old timers for that.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 08:54 PM

No verdict in today gents
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:09 PM

@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that.
And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend.
And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:10 PM

No verdict in today gents

Thanks Jose, today was the first day i didnt even check, this shit has become stressful waiting to see what happens lollol
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that.
And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend.
And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol


Ex-Melrose Park police chief gets 6 years
Top cop forced town businesses, churches to hire his private security company


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-...fe-sentence-cop

http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/pr/chicago/2007/pr0719_03.pdf
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
No verdict in today gents


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Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
No verdict in today gents

Thanks Jose, today was the first day i didnt even check, this shit has become stressful waiting to see what happens lollol


I made this for you Lol

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Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:16 PM

Didn't Borgesi get his ass kicked by some guy and then sent his pitbull Lou, Ant and two others to kick the guys ass? I heard Big Lou hit him with a Louisville Slugger as the guy was walking his dog. He also bragged about knocking out the Pillsbury Dough boy Lutz after he got his ass kicked. He also got his wife involved. I don't think he will win any points with any old timers for that.

Again this was out that stroke Rat Lous mouth, I really dont believe anything that Jag-off says, these guys are wannabees that didnt make the cut and then they get mad at there superiors for kicking em out the crew or giving them petty shit to do, if he hit him with a bat? whats this so called victims name? I bet he dont exist. And the old timers would love to know that you avenged a beating even if you lost fair n square, our motto growing up was "We smash Ants with sledgehammers", the only guys that deserve a 1 on 1 and no revenge on whoever wins is when its 2 friends or family of the guyys. Thats how Street Politics work my friend...#FreeTheGuys
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
No verdict in today gents

Thanks Jose, today was the first day i didnt even check, this shit has become stressful waiting to see what happens lollol


I made this for you Lol


HAHA thats funny Vito lol
Posted By: moneyman

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:19 PM

Good point, not sure how Mazzone feels, I seem to remember that Ligambi and Borgesi had a falling out a couple of years ago? Not sure about Mazzone or Merlino

Interesting question though as to how Borgesi fits in with current Philly LCN (Chang, Mazzone, Lance, etc.) and how that transition would go down if he's found innocent.

Didn't Bent Finger say that Borgesi is still running the Delaware County crew? Wonder how much pull that would mean on the street now. Merlino seems smart enough to avoid any direct contact with any of these guys outside of his dad's funeral but who knows what Merlino is actually up to.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
@vito Read the articles on this no good motherfucker, he tried ruining a lot of good guys lives because they wouldnt bow down to that [BadWord], but the joke was on him, he went to jail and all the guys are still on the street, its like a mini movie how the scenario played out.

Thanks for posting the links Vito

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YOU POSTED TOO MUCH LOL. smile
Try to edit it cuz it's just taking up space frown
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:33 PM

You gotta see Merlino on instagram, the guy is hilarious, I bet he only deals with hisDay 1 guys, Chang, Lance, Borgesi, marty, mazzone. The guy is not stupid, he is sharp and I think Georgie is the muscle, but who knows. But he definitely knows he can trust them, if they were beefers it would have happened in 01....They have a Standup Crew for those who tend to disagree. Salute from ChiRaq
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:36 PM

What A great link Vito, the trib article is everything i basically said, hopefully FrankMazola reads it and calls his local congressman lollollol or calls that douchebag HON or ROBRENO and tells them what happend in ChiTown hahahaha
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that.
And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend.
And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol


I don't need google to know who Chief Scavo is. The difference is he pleaded guilty. And I'm not getting into a Tri-State versus Chicago contest here. Just look up Federal Sentencing Guidelines. They literally have a chart that they follow an overwhelming majority of the time.

So you agree that Ligambi and Borgesi receive "kick-backs", that they might be guilty of the same types of crimes they're being charged with. But you don't believe that they committed these exact ones because "You don't like rats" (Half of the mob info we know and cite as facts on these boards by the way comes from rats like Bent Finger Lou by the way).

You also believe that US Atty Han is manufacturing testimony for Lou Monacello and Frankie DiGiacomo and Nicky Steffanelli (dead) and Michael Orlando? No offense, I don't know if I believe you. But okay sure, let's call them all liars. You've got to believe the wiretaps. The hours of condo. At LaGriglia, Staino taps, the whole thing. How bout the poor citizen who owned the vending business Uncle Joe squeezed him out of? Is he lying too?

If you're cheering for them to cheer for them, I can get behind that. But don't tell me they're innocent.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
hopefully FrankMazola reads it and calls his local congressman lollollol or calls that douchebag HON or ROBRENO and tells them what happend in ChiTown hahahaha


Hon. is an abbreviation for "Honorable". As in "Honorable Judge Robreno". "Han" is "US Attorney Han". With an 'a'.

Easy Pal, it's just a discussion…..... over the internet.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 09:58 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that.
And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend.
And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol


I don't need google to know who Chief Scavo is. He pleaded guilty, pal. And I'm not getting into a Tri-State versus Chicago contest here. Just look up Federal Sentencing Guidelines. They literally have a chart that they follow an overwhelming majority of the time.

So you agree that Ligambi and Borgesi receive "kick-backs", that they might be guilty of the same types of crimes they're being charged with. But you don't believe that they committed these exact ones because "You don't like rats" (Half of the mob info we know and cite as facts on these boards by the way comes from rats like Bent Finger Lou by the way).

You also believe that US Atty Han is manufacturing testimony for Lou Monacello and Frankie DiGiacomo and Nicky Steffanelli (dead) and Michael Orlando? No offense, I don't know if I believe you. But okay sure, let's call them all liars. You've got to believe the wiretaps. The hours of condo. At LaGriglia, Staino taps, the whole thing. How bout the poor citizen who owned the vending business Uncle Joe squeezed him out of? Is he lying too?

If you're cheering for them to cheer for them, I can get behind that. But don't tell me they're innocent.


First of all VITO went to trial and lost, so don't make it sound like he pleaded out and got that sweet deal...You sound like a COP Frank, I feel i can get indicted talking to you LOL and by the way all the other tapes all them guys were found guilty so there was criminal activity here, but just cause you know where that Money went, it means you still have to prove it went to the wife or ligambi and Hon has failed to do that, and I cant speak about the victims because i really don't know about there situation.
The only 2 I said there testimony was scripted was the 2 beefers, i never said anything about the other evidence. But like I said from past experience when the DA wants you, they will do whatever it takes even if it means scripting testimony or getting phony witnesses to testify lies they play very dirty my friend, it sounds like a madeup story but sometimes the truth is hard to handle. Only difference with Cops and Gangsters is the cops have Badges pally, just some food for thought...Who agrees? Anyone? not that it matters lollollol
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
hopefully FrankMazola reads it and calls his local congressman lollollol or calls that douchebag HON or ROBRENO and tells them what happend in ChiTown hahahaha


Hon. is an abbreviation for "Honorable". As in "Honorable Judge Robreno". "Han" is "US Attorney Han". With an 'a'.

Easy Pal, it's just a discussion…..... over the internet.


Hey Im not upset talking to you nor am i calling you names, so please you take it easy
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 10:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
@frank I know of another case that a guy by the name of Vito Scavo was convicted of multiple offenses and basically the same charges as these guys, when he was convicted his sentencing guidelines were the same as these guys but the judge realized that yes he did get convicted but the money involved was so petty an there was no violence so they only sentenced him to 6years, google him and tell me what you think of that.
And NO i DONT think they are GUILTY i feel the charges are trummped up so therefore with my own experience when a judge realizes the DA trummped the charges they lose all credibility on the other ones, thats how it goes in Chicago my friend.
And what are you a lawyer or prosecuter or something you definitley sound like you have the experience but not as an alleged criminal lol


I don't need google to know who Chief Scavo is. He pleaded guilty, pal. And I'm not getting into a Tri-State versus Chicago contest here. Just look up Federal Sentencing Guidelines. They literally have a chart that they follow an overwhelming majority of the time.

So you agree that Ligambi and Borgesi receive "kick-backs", that they might be guilty of the same types of crimes they're being charged with. But you don't believe that they committed these exact ones because "You don't like rats" (Half of the mob info we know and cite as facts on these boards by the way comes from rats like Bent Finger Lou by the way).

You also believe that US Atty Han is manufacturing testimony for Lou Monacello and Frankie DiGiacomo and Nicky Steffanelli (dead) and Michael Orlando? No offense, I don't know if I believe you. But okay sure, let's call them all liars. You've got to believe the wiretaps. The hours of condo. At LaGriglia, Staino taps, the whole thing. How bout the poor citizen who owned the vending business Uncle Joe squeezed him out of? Is he lying too?

If you're cheering for them to cheer for them, I can get behind that. But don't tell me they're innocent.


First of all VITO went to trial and lost, so don't make it sound like he pleaded out and got that sweet deal...You sound like a COP Frank, I feel i can get indicted talking to you LOL and by the way all the other tapes all them guys were found guilty so there was criminal activity here, but just cause you know where that Money went, it means you still have to prove it went to the wife or ligambi and Hon has failed to do that, and I cant speak about the victims because i really don't know about there situation.
The only 2 I said there testimony was scripted was the 2 beefers, i never said anything about the other evidence. But like I said from past experience when the DA wants you, they will do whatever it takes even if it means scripting testimony or getting phony witnesses to testify lies they play very dirty my friend, it sounds like a madeup story but sometimes the truth is hard to handle. Only difference with Cops and Gangsters is the cops have Badges pally, just some food for thought...Who agrees? Anyone? not that it matters lollollol


at first I thought when the f.ck did I go to trial Lol. No offense but guys this is getting off topic.
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 10:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: Jose
No verdict in today gents


Is that the actor from "That 70's Show"?
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 10:24 PM

Haha you started it @Vito JK
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/16/14 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
No offense but guys this is getting off topic.


+1

Well if this jury would get a damn move on…! Philly PD needs to put an APB out on this fuckin cat.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 12:39 AM

Deliberations Continue In Mob Trial

No questions...and no verdict.

After listening to about 15 minutes of taped conversation this morning, the jury in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi hunkered down for a sixth day of deliberations.

The panel of 11 women and one man called it quits around 4 p.m. and headed home. They will be back at it tomorrow at 9:30. Looming is a three-day weekend (Monday is a federal holiday -- Martin Luther King Day), meaning that if there is no decision tomorrow, the case will go into next week.

While the group sent a note to Judge Eduardo Robreno Monday afternoon saying there was an "impasse" in deliberations, there has been no indication that the panel has bogged down since then.

Ligambi, 74, and Borgesi, 50, are both charged with racketeering conspiracy linked to what authorities say was an organized crime gambling and loansharking operation that ran from 1999 through 2011. Ligambi also faces two gambling charges and one count of witness intimidation.

Over the past two days the jury has asked to hear nearly two dozens secretly recorded conversations that were introduced as evidence during the eight-week. The panel has also asked about some specific pieces of evidence.

In the note it sent on Monday, the jury said it had voted twice on all five counts and had failed to reach a unanimous decision on any of them. Whether they have taken subsequent votes could not be determined.

The process continues tomorrow.

The jury in the first trial that ended in February deliberated for 21 days before coming back with a split decision. That case involved seven defendants and 62 counts. Four defendants were convicted, one was acquitted and the jury hung on the charges that Ligambi and Borgesi are again fighting.
Posted By: uptempo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 04:09 AM

With each passing day i think there is a higher chance they both will walk, from what i've read in this topic im sure George is definatly going to walk and i'd be 50/50 on Joe.

That been said it really is looking good for both to walk now imo.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 12:51 PM

Originally Posted By: short841
I am pretty sure if he retires and get these pension kick ups , he risks of still being indicted since he's linked to the illegal schemes.


can Philly afford these "pensions" to begin with?

seems to me that there are lots of entitled guys on top but not too many on the bottom to provide the (current and retired) admin. with such benefits.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 04:48 PM

Verdict on 2 counts and deadlocked on 3 others - Robreno sends them back for more deliberating
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 04:49 PM

Wow Roebuck just said they have a verdict on 2 counts but deadlocked on the other 3 and the judge sent them back to deliberate more, to me this judge is emabarssed that there might be another Mistrial in his court, if I was a juror I'd tell him to Fuck Off my mind ain't changing. Hopefully they announce something today.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 04:52 PM

They may go with partial announcement before the weekend
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 04:52 PM

This judge don't care about the jurors or defendants, he wants to give 20yrs to each and go down as the last Jude to do that in philky, the mob is dead out there, they all are just a bunch of independent hustlers supporting there family however they can because there all convicted felons--_F@%K the System
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 04:52 PM

@jose
They should because these jurors have lives they need to get back too
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Verdict on 2 counts and deadlocked on 3 others - Robreno sends them back for more deliberating


damn

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Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:06 PM

The witness tampering charge that Ligambi is charged with,what's that from again.
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: Jose
Verdict on 2 counts and deadlocked on 3 others - Robreno sends them back for more deliberating


damn


I think they are guilty on those two charges and split on the other three.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:08 PM

Whether it's right or wrong afraid these jurors are in this for the long haul - no way does Robreno want to try this one again. Can only hope for partial verdict reading this afternoon unless they come to agreement
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
The witness tampering charge that Ligambi is charged with,what's that from again.

That charge is bullshit, all he did was ask the photographer from stainos weeding not to give the feds a group photo of all "the boys", the photographer even admited that he didnt even feel threatened by ligambi, its not like ligambi sent guys after him with baseball bats or stuck a gun in the guys face.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:10 PM

George only charged with one count.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Whether it's right or wrong afraid these jurors are in this for the long haul - no way does Robreno want to try this one again. Can only hope for partial verdict reading this afternoon unless they come to agreement

If they're guilty on the two counts that are already decided, and it's enough to keep Borgesi and Ligambi jailed, then the Feds may just take their sweet ass time and try them again on the other counts. Of course, that's assuming they don't come back with verdicts on those other three counts today (or in the near future).
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:16 PM

One minute
I will try to post what their charges are.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Jose
Whether it's right or wrong afraid these jurors are in this for the long haul - no way does Robreno want to try this one again. Can only hope for partial verdict reading this afternoon unless they come to agreement

If they're guilty on the two counts that are already decided, and it's enough to keep Borgesi and Ligambi jailed, then the Feds may just take their sweet ass time and try them again on the other counts. Of course, that's assuming they don't come back with verdicts on those other three counts today (or in the near future).


I hear what you are saying, and that may work with Ligambi, but Georgie is only charged with conspiracy. If they find him guilty he's fucked. If they hang he gets bail.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:19 PM

I think the Rico conspiracies were the weakest charges of all and the. The witness one was bs too as mentioned above. if they have a verdict on George's charge would think they may read that today but that's just a guess.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By: jmack
I hear what you are saying, and that may work with Ligambi, but Georgie is only charged with conspiracy. If they find him guilty he's fucked. If they hang he gets bail.

Gotcha, jmack. I forgot that Borgesi only had the one count left. Like I say, I wasn't following too closely to begin with smile.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
I think the Rico conspiracies were the weakest charges of all and the. The witness one was bs too as mentioned above. if they have a verdict on George's charge would think they may read that today but that's just a guess.


I think you are probably right. Today may be a long day. If they can't break the deadlock on the other charges we may see a partial verdict today. Especially if they are found guilty/ not guilty of the conspiracy charges. But like you said, that is just a guess.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:22 PM

Ligambi
Intimidation-Not guilty
Gambling-Guilty
Gambling-Guilty
Racketeering-Hung
Borgesi-
Hung

This is what I think the verdicts are so far, we'll see.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:23 PM

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Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:23 PM

Article on Philly.com says there is a firm difference of opinion on three charges
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:25 PM

Nice guy - think that's a good handicapping right there - we'll see
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: jmack
I hear what you are saying, and that may work with Ligambi, but Georgie is only charged with conspiracy. If they find him guilty he's fucked. If they hang he gets bail.

Gotcha, jmack. I forgot that Borgesi only had the one count left. Like I say, I wasn't following too closely to begin with smile.


Yeah south philly is a long way from the Bronx. smile As everyone knows, I am not a Georgie apologist but I thought he got screwed the first time around not getting bail when he was found not guilty on 13 of 14 counts.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Ligambi
Intimidation-Not guilty
Gambling-Guilty
Gambling-Guilty
Racketeering-Hung
Borgesi-
Hung

This is what I think the verdicts are so far, we'll see.


Not that I have any idea, but that was the same thought that I had when I saw the verdict was in on 2 charges. I think this is good for the defense. If they were going to get them on conspiracy they would more than likely get them on at least some of the other charges. The fact that they only have verdicts on 2 charges looks very good for the defense in my opinion. But then again, what do I know? whistle
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:29 PM

Yeah it's all speculation from all of us, just wishful thinking lol
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Yeah it's all speculation from all of us, just wishful thinking lol


All I know is that if I was George I would feel pretty good right about now. On a side note, if I was Bent finger Lou I may change my address in the very near future. panic panic panic panic
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:36 PM

Yeah it's all speculation from all of us, just wishful thinking lol

All I know is that if I was George I would feel pretty good right about now. On a side note, if I was Bent finger Lou I may change my address in the very near future.

I bet he's sh***ing his pants, that would be how I'm feeling thinking of maybe spending another 15 locked up. Funny about F@%k Finger Lou, that idiots gonna get more time than all of them lol he better run and hide that lying exaggerating C@%T
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:36 PM

I think the tapes that they asked to hear this week were for gambling charges mostly. It's all speculation at this point
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:39 PM

what I think about Ligambi

Count 1—RICO conspiracy in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1962(d);

hung

Count 43—Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business
in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;

hung

Count 44—Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device
business in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1955 and 2;

not guilty

Count 50—Obstruction of justice in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1512(b)(2)(A);

not guilty

..................

Borgesi

Count 1—RICO conspiracy in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1962(d);

not guilty
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
On a side note, if I was Bent finger Lou I may change my address in the very near future.

I bet he's sh***ing his pants, that would be how I'm feeling thinking of maybe spending another 15 locked up. Funny about F@%k Finger Lou, that idiots gonna get more time than all of them lol he better run and hide that lying exaggerating C@%T

Anybody know if Lou is still in Ventnor? If he is you know right about now he's packing up the van and getting out of Dodge. lol
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:43 PM

Article on Partilal verdict...no new info though.

Jurors reach partial verdict in mob trial


Jeremy Roebuck, Inquirer Staff Writer
January 17, 2014

Jurors in the racketeering retrial of reputed Philadelphia mob boss Joseph Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi said Friday they had reached a partial verdict, but a federal judge urged them to keep deliberating.

In a note sent to the judge just before 10:30 a.m., the jurors said that they had found unanimity on two of the five counts against the mob figures, but there remained "a firm difference of opinion on the other three." They gave no indication on which counts they had made a decision.

"This was a long trial and there were some complex issues," U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno told the group before sending them back for further discussion. "Often with further discussions, jurors are able to work out there differences."

Friday's note came four days after the panel of 11 women and one man told the judge they had reached an impasse and were unable to come to a decision on any of the counts.

Witness describes collecting debts for the mob
Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor said that the three days of deliberations since showed the group was making some headway in their logjam.

"They're making progress," he said in court. "Monday they thought they were done, and now we've had three days and they have a verdict on three counts."

Last year, a different jury deliberated for 21 days on the same charges before declaring they were hopelessly deadlocked. That inability to reach a verdict resulted in a mistrial and prompted the current retrial.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20140118_Jurors_reach_partial_verdict_in_mob_trial.html
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:47 PM

You can google rat fingers name and it gives you his work and cell #, I should start pranking him to scare em lollol

Cross your fingers for The Unc and Georgie boy, no more miscarriages of justice Ono these trumped up MOB charges, what a joke,
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:49 PM

Holy shit i didnt realize there were 11 women on the jury, no wonder they cant get anything done lol.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Holy shit i didnt realize there were 11 women on the jury, no wonder they cant get anything done lol.

LOL! lol clap
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo

Anybody know if Lou is still in Ventnor? If he is you know right about now he's packing up the van and getting out of Dodge. lol


according to the internet yes. He owns/live in a house in Ventnor NJ. But I thought he was in the WPP?
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 06:00 PM

I really have no idea Vito on Lou's current status but you would think the feds got that idiot out of harms way unless he refused to go.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 06:04 PM

Maybe Rat Finger Lou is also Dumb Finger Lou

Lol.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 06:17 PM

If I get another "Resource is limited" I might break my IPAD lol
WTF does it keep saying that for?
Anyways are you at the courthouse @Jose? If so you should sneak in a camera and get a pic of the defendants.. Good Luck LOL
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 06:19 PM

During the first trial he was asked by an attorney of his nickname and he shows the jury is hand. " See guys my finger is bent" What a fucking dumbass lol
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 06:25 PM

Not there today NG...it's tough to gauge when there will be any developments so it's not easy. hate to say it but this one looks like it's gonna go for a while longer - I just get that feeling.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 06:31 PM

Defense would need to request early reading on the two counts by up to the judge at the end of the day. George A. Thinks we're getting to the poin where enough is enough - I tend to disagree but wouldn't surprise me if there is strong disagreement on the rest of the charges.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 07:26 PM

I'm not one to predict outcomes that often, but I'll take my shot...

For Ligambi:

RICO conspiracy - hung
Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business - hung
Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device business - not guilty
Obstruction of justice - not guilty

Hung on Borgesi's RICO conspiracy


The fact that the jury can't reach a decision on 3 of the counts makes me think they are skeptical of the all of the charges. That's why I think the unanimous verdicts are not guilty.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 07:29 PM

Good call Ted
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: 22
The witness tampering charge that Ligambi is charged with,what's that from again.

That charge is bullshit, all he did was ask the photographer from stainos weeding not to give the feds a group photo of all "the boys", the photographer even admited that he didnt even feel threatened by ligambi, its not like ligambi sent guys after him with baseball bats or stuck a gun in the guys face.

The witness intimidation charge was probably thrown in there just to make sure Ligambi wasn't granted bail.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 07:37 PM

I would think they beat the conspiracy charges also,I didn't realize one of Ligambi's charges was still tied to conspiracy,I would think that makes sense,that they beat those.
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 07:43 PM

I think this is the Indictment of the Ligambi and Borgesi trial.....

http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/13d0779p.pdf
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
I think this is the Indictment of the Ligambi and Borgesi trial.....

http://www.paed.uscourts.gov/documents/opinions/13d0779p.pdf

It's just a memorandum filed by the prosecution.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:01 PM

Jesus.
Well the EVIDENCE is very thin here guys. Whether you believe it personally or not, it's a tough case to prove.

But I can hear Borgesi yelling out to his wife now, "Better get those martini glasses chilled, baby!"
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:04 PM

There's Frank the lawyer, good call buddy hopefully Borgesi and the Unc get to go home today....and drink there asses off this weekend
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:12 PM

if anything is going to happen today it better be soon because 4 o'clock is end if the day. Going off the articles and posts if I were the judge I would go ahead and meet with the jury see what the likelihood is for any one of them changing their votes - if the answer is zero percent why the hell would they keep it going other than to waste money and the chance of not a true outcome. My own 2 cents.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:29 PM

Jose
This Judge don't care Mo, that's why everyone should say NOT GUILTY and everyone should go home....This is going way to long for only 5 counts and 2 defendants
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:29 PM

I wonder if they are released what actions, if any, are they going to take against Scoops Licata for running his mouth on the Stefanelli tapes, Anthony Borgesi being his usual jerk off self and pointing fingers as to why Joey is not on trial and Borgesi's wife and Mother for threatening jurors? Also are Joe and Georgie going to kiss and make up? And what about resolving who authorized the Nicodemo's shooting while they were in trial?
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:29 PM

when I read they came to a partial verdict I forgor it could also mean not guilty and hung on the others. I jumped rite to guilty.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:36 PM

Roebuck just tweeted that they are breaking for the day ( juror not feeling well). Back on Tuesday.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:36 PM

Wow back on Tuesday, what fuggin bullshizz, see all of you on Tuesday.....RObreno sucks dick for real fucking jaggoff
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
I wonder if they are released what actions, if any, are they going to take against Scoops Licata for running his mouth on the Stefanelli tapes, Anthony Borgesi being his usual jerk off self and pointing fingers as to why Joey is not on trial and Borgesi's wife and Mother for threatening jurors? Also are Joe and Georgie going to kiss and make up? And what about resolving who authorized the Nicodemo's shooting while they were in trial?

-For Licata, everyone gets caught on a wire. It happens. The only thing he said was Joe was the acting boss. All he was doing was making the proper introduction. They all got caught on the Stefanelli tapes.
-There wasn't really any intimidation going on. Some of the jurors just didn't like the look Alyson was giving them.
-Ligambi and Borgesi resolved their issues during the first trial according to GA. They've been locked up together for almost 3 years, and have been seen joking together in court, so they've had time to rebuild their troubled relationship.
-Sorting out the Nicodemo thing is priority #1.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
And what about resolving who authorized the Nicodemo's shooting while they were in trial?


If Not-Guilty verdict is handed down:
I think they are going to drop the RICO angle for now and focus on Nicodemo. If they can get him to testify (which is a 50/50 toss up) they can go on his testimony alone. That kind of sucks for the prosecution because they blew their load on all the circumstantial stuff. Nicky Skins tapes, the FBI Undercover, Top Job Disposal, AJM Vending, the wiretaps, even rats Monacello, Orlando, and DiGiacomo didn't have enough to get them.

Alot of this evidence they can't use over again against the same defendants in a new investigation if they've already gotten a Not Guilty. In a perfect world, the US Atty's office would combine that stuff WITH testimony of a soldier like Nicodemo and add a murder to it (assuming the murder was authorized). That would be 6 nails in a coffin and bye bye, Joe and Co.

In my opinion, what we thought was poor timing on the Philly Mob's part may have been poor timing/bad luck for the Feds.

Just my .02.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 08:58 PM

It must be Not Guilty for the judge to continue to bust balls, if it was guilty he woulda forced a verdict today, does anyone no if he actually knows the verdicts?
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 09:01 PM

The judge is dragging this out hoping Borgesi is gonna flip lol
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 09:04 PM

Originally Posted By: jmack
Roebuck just tweeted that they are breaking for the day ( juror not feeling well). Back on Tuesday.



They better reach a final verdict on Tuesday. almost two weeks of deliberations... mad

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Posted By: tjonezee

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 09:09 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
And what about resolving who authorized the Nicodemo's shooting while they were in trial?


If Not-Guilty verdict is handed down:
I think they are going to drop the RICO angle for now and focus on Nicodemo. If they can get him to testify (which is a 50/50 toss up) they can go on his testimony alone. That kind of sucks for the prosecution because they blew their load on all the circumstantial stuff. Nicky Skins tapes, the FBI Undercover, Top Job Disposal, AJM Vending, the wiretaps, even rats Monacello, Orlando, and DiGiacomo didn't have enough to get them.

Alot of this evidence they can't use over again against the same defendants in a new investigation if they've already gotten a Not Guilty. In a perfect world, the US Atty's office would combine that stuff WITH testimony of a soldier like Nicodemo and add a murder to it (assuming the murder was authorized). That would be 6 nails in a coffin and bye bye, Joe and Co.

In my opinion, what we thought was poor timing on the Philly Mob's part may have been poor timing/bad luck for the Feds.

Just my .02.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Nicodemo's charges coming from the city and/or state? I guess the Feds could just take it over if they wanted. Same for the Galati case as well?
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 09:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
It must be Not Guilty for the judge to continue to bust balls, if it was guilty he woulda forced a verdict today, does anyone no if he actually knows the verdicts?

Good question...i'm really not sure how that works.

Anyone know?
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 09:19 PM

Originally Posted By: tjonezee
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Nicodemo's charges coming from the city and/or state? I guess the Feds could just take it over if they wanted. Same for the Galati case as well?

Yes...the charges against Nicodemo are all state charges.....so far.
Posted By: pmac

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 09:25 PM

ths is the weird thing in the nicodemo case. up in nyc they charge famma with gotti last hit, he was a crash car and the gov charge him with killing a government witness, but the hole thing fell apart last month when Sammy the bull said they didn't kill him for being a informer it was biznes. eddie the ch*nk he name was Sammy killed him cause of greed. now why wouldn't the feds charge nicodemo like that when they came out and called the guy a government informant in some drug case. something screwy or maybe nicodemo not guilty or that case is shakey. eddy the ch*nk is father to one of the mob wives cast or so and really wasn't a informer and the feds over reched and just let the guy out on bail and the case is probably gonna get dismissed soon.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 09:26 PM

Originally Posted By: tjonezee

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Nicodemo's charges coming from the city and/or state? I guess the Feds could just take it over if they wanted. Same for the Galati case as well?


Yeah I forgot about Ron Galati! Exactly, TJ. If Nicodemo goes down for Murder, doesn't rat, there's no implications for other defendants, etc. than it might stay in Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Court. But if He decides to turn state's evidence, the US Attorney's Office will likely take over. Even if they don't, after the state were done prosecuting Nicodemo, the Feds can make him talk again... and again... and again. In as many trials as they want (think Henry Hill).
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 09:40 PM

I think Galati has only been charged with state charges so far ...the shooting happened in NJ but he hired the shooters in PA and the feds were going after him for insurance fraud so i have a feeling Galati will soon be in federal court. Federal witness tampering at the least i would think.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 09:52 PM

Friday, January 17, 2014


Partial Verdict In Mob Trial Remains Sealed

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

The jury has a partial verdict in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi.

But we don't know what it is.

And we will have to wait at least three more days before we have any chance of finding out.

The jury of 11 women and one man recessed early this afternoon after wrapping up a seventh day of deliberations that was marked by a mid morning announcement of the partial verdict.

In a note sent to Judge Eduardo Robreno that was read in open court around 11:15, the jury said it had reached a verdict on two of the five counts it was considering, but that it remained hung on three others. The three-sentence note said there was a "firm difference of opinion" on the three unresolved issues.

Robreno then read the panel a scripted legal charge designed for cases where a jury has deadlocked and sent the panel back to continue deliberating.

The note generated widespread speculation in both the prosecution and defense camps. About fifteen family members and friends of the two defendants have been waiting in the 15th floor hallway outside the courtroom each day. They file into court with the attorneys each time there is some development.

But any discussion about what the jury has decided is simply speculation. There is no way to know which counts have been resolved and which remain. There is also no way to know whether the jury has voted to convict or acquit on the counts it has decided.

Borgesi, 50, faces a lone count of racketeering conspiracy, a charge built almost entirely around the testimony of mob informants Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and Anthony Aponick. It was the consensus going into deliberations over a week ago that Borgesi's fate would rise or fall on whether the jury believed those two witnesses.

The defense repeatedly challenged both their credibility and their motives for cooperating during cross-examinations and in closing arguments.

Ligambi, 74, is charged with racketeering conspiracy, two counts of illegal gambling and one count of witness tampering. The case against him is more layered and built in part around secretly recorded conversations, most of which involve other mob figures and cooperators.

Ligambi's voice is heard on only a few tapes, despite an 11-year investigation. And most of what he says is innocuous. But secretly recorded comments by others could support the government's charge that he headed a mob run gambling and loansharking operation.

Again, it is impossible to know what the jury is thinking and how that evidence and those allegations figure into the deliberation process.

The stakes are high, however. Convictions on the conspiracy charge could lead to substantial jail sentences of 10 years or more. If the jury should hang on those charges -- as the jury did in the first trial earlier this year -- the question then is whether the government would opt to try the two defendants a third time.

And part of that scenario would include the issue of whether the defendants, held without bail since indictments were handed up in May 2011, would be free on bail pending a third trial. Those questions are premature, of course, but are part of the rampant speculation circulating around the case as jury deliberations recess until Tuesday.

Ligambi and Borgesi exchanged good wishes with family membes and friends as they were lead out of the courtroom in handcuffs after the jury was dismissed. One friend told Ligambi, "I cut two pounds of soppressata (for a victory celebration). It'll wait til Tuesday."

Ligambi smiled and nodded.

http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/partial-verdict-in-mob-trial-remains.html
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 10:01 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: Beanshooter
And what about resolving who authorized the Nicodemo's shooting while they were in trial?


If Not-Guilty verdict is handed down:
I think they are going to drop the RICO angle for now and focus on Nicodemo. If they can get him to testify (which is a 50/50 toss up) they can go on his testimony alone. That kind of sucks for the prosecution because they blew their load on all the circumstantial stuff. Nicky Skins tapes, the FBI Undercover, Top Job Disposal, AJM Vending, the wiretaps, even rats Monacello, Orlando, and DiGiacomo didn't have enough to get them.

Alot of this evidence they can't use over again against the same defendants in a new investigation if they've already gotten a Not Guilty. In a perfect world, the US Atty's office would combine that stuff WITH testimony of a soldier like Nicodemo and add a murder to it (assuming the murder was authorized). That would be 6 nails in a coffin and bye bye, Joe and Co.

In my opinion, what we thought was poor timing on the Philly Mob's part may have been poor timing/bad luck for the Feds.

Just my .02.


Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 10:13 PM

Nicodemo isn't rolling on anyone. For whatever it's worth ... people that live near him in south philly keep telling me he's pretty convinced he can beat the case.

Might be a different story though if he's convicted and gets a life sentence.

I read he has a motion pending to suppress evidence...which i assume is the evidence found in his car. The cop or prosecutor in the article said he's buried if he loses that motion.

Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 10:23 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino

Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.

One of the Philly posters says he talked to Nicodemo's uncle who visited him in prison. His uncle left with the impression that it can go either way on Nicodemo flipping. The fact that Nicodemo hasn't flipped already probably means he won't before the trial takes place. Like Giancarlo said, that can change if he is convicted.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 10:38 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino

Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.


Yeah.



Isn't that what 50/50 toss up means? rolleyes
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 10:40 PM

If they suppress the evidence it's a game changer with nicodemo. Think that trial starts in May ..
Philly is getting strong again believe it or not. I forget the line in the sopranos but as the economy gets better everyone and their mother will bet sports.
Hate to say this but it appears the jurors are dug in but if they go until next Friday - that has to be it. The evidence just isn't there and that's evident. Have a good weekend fellas. I'll report back Tuesday.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 10:54 PM

Jose...i'm just guessing here but i think Nicodemo's lawyer might be saying they didn't have a search warrant before they seized evidence from his car. I thought it was a desperate motion myself, but a lawyer on another forum said he might actually have a case for that.

But i really don't know...it seems like a longshot to me.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/17/14 11:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino

Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.

One of the Philly posters says he talked to Nicodemo's uncle who visited him in prison. His uncle left with the impression that it can go either way on Nicodemo flipping. The fact that Nicodemo hasn't flipped already probably means he won't before the trial takes place. Like Giancarlo said, that can change if he is convicted.


That's not good for the Philly guys. The poster knows what he is talking about ( he works with nicodemos uncle). This is the first I have heard anything about his uncle having that impression. It's not really a surprise though since he didn't flip right away. Smart money says that IF he flips it will be after he loses at trial. Why not? If the Feds lose this one they will still give him a sweetheart deal. I'm not saying he will flip, just saying if he does, it will be after trial.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 12:00 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino

Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.


Yeah.



Isn't that what 50/50 toss up means? rolleyes


No, you have no idea weather it's 50/50, like I said complete guesswork. 50 percent of mobsters don't flip, even on murder charges, so don't try play that hand.
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 12:10 AM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino

Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.

One of the Philly posters says he talked to Nicodemo's uncle who visited him in prison. His uncle left with the impression that it can go either way on Nicodemo flipping. The fact that Nicodemo hasn't flipped already probably means he won't before the trial takes place. Like Giancarlo said, that can change if he is convicted.


So Nicodemo's uncle goes back to South Philly after the visit and all of a sudden everyone in the neighborhood know's about him being '50/50' I call bullshit, I'd imagine Anthony will not speak to his uncle again for the rest of his life from now if that's true, which it probably isn't.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 12:41 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino

Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.

One of the Philly posters says he talked to Nicodemo's uncle who visited him in prison. His uncle left with the impression that it can go either way on Nicodemo flipping. The fact that Nicodemo hasn't flipped already probably means he won't before the trial takes place. Like Giancarlo said, that can change if he is convicted.


So Nicodemo's uncle goes back to South Philly after the visit and all of a sudden everyone in the neighborhood know's about him being '50/50' I call bullshit, I'd imagine Anthony will not speak to his uncle again for the rest of his life from now if that's true, which it probably isn't.


Is that the impression you got? I know the guy works with his uncle. I'm sure he and nicodemo didn't discuss him flipping. He said that was his IMPRESSION. Nothing more.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 01:52 AM

Originally Posted By: jmack
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino

Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.

One of the Philly posters says he talked to Nicodemo's uncle who visited him in prison. His uncle left with the impression that it can go either way on Nicodemo flipping. The fact that Nicodemo hasn't flipped already probably means he won't before the trial takes place. Like Giancarlo said, that can change if he is convicted.


So Nicodemo's uncle goes back to South Philly after the visit and all of a sudden everyone in the neighborhood know's about him being '50/50' I call bullshit, I'd imagine Anthony will not speak to his uncle again for the rest of his life from now if that's true, which it probably isn't.


Is that the impression you got? I know the guy works with his uncle. I'm sure he and nicodemo didn't discuss him flipping. He said that was his IMPRESSION. Nothing more.

The Philly poster said this a while ago. Like weeks after Nicodemo's arrest. I'll try to find it.
Posted By: bobbyvegas

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 02:45 AM

Just got the news on what happened today. They reached a verdict on the most serious charges. Not guilty. The jury is bullshitting aroung on the rest of the charges. They both walk next week.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 03:01 AM

oh really. did judge robreno call you himself, or does everyone in detroit know the verdict?
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 04:04 AM

What makes anybody think Nicodemo will flip? Why cause he caught a murder?? It's not like someone gave the order to do it unless Mazzone is dumb which I doubt! I bet if he did it he did it on his own to impress the guys like Merlino, he just came home and figured this was his shot to move up the ladder especially thinking borgesi,ligambi, etc,,were going away for the next 15, but he's from that young Turk group so I don't think he's a beefer.
If this guy somehow beats this they musta dug up cochran to save his ass, I do not know who has more evidence against him, him or Aaron Hernandez lol
Maybe they both beat it and philly recruits A.Hernandez to join the team, merlino said bet the patriots lollollol
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 02:49 PM

Judge Robreno called him haha lol lol lol
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 03:16 PM

I thought Nicodemo would stand tall but if found guilty ya just never know what a mans going to do in that situation. This happened after Chucky Merlino's funeral, and Joey Merlino was there and so was Nicodemo and a bunch of other guys. I would think If anybody ordered that hit it would be Joey Merlino or Stevie Mazzone... But why would they want to kill Dipetro? For being an informant? With everything going on in Philly I just dont see them going after Dipetro while a bunch of there guys are on trial. I think it was personal. I cant wait to see the outcome of that trial. After this one finally ends.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 05:25 PM

Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino

Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.


Yeah.



Isn't that what 50/50 toss up means? rolleyes


No, you have no idea weather it's 50/50, like I said complete guesswork. 50 percent of mobsters don't flip, even on murder charges, so don't try play that hand.


Jesus, what is it with people on here?! I meant nobody knows WHETHER he will rat or not. Hense 50/50, Over here in America that's a figure of speech.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/18/14 08:12 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino
Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: TommyGambino

Complete guesswork. You have no idea weather Nicodemo will flip or not.


Yeah.



Isn't that what 50/50 toss up means? rolleyes


No, you have no idea weather it's 50/50, like I said complete guesswork. 50 percent of mobsters don't flip, even on murder charges, so don't try play that hand.


Jesus, what is it with people on here?! I meant nobody knows WHETHER he will rat or not. Hense 50/50, Over here in America that's a figure of speech.


lol
Posted By: spmob

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/20/14 07:02 PM

Nicodemo is really close with his Uncle. They work together and his uncle is taking care of his legit...well semi Legit ha businesses. If anyone would have an idea, it would be his uncle. My buddy works for the Uncle and my dad grew up with the Uncle. Hes a good dude.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/20/14 08:13 PM

It's been a while sp where you been?
Posted By: azguy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/20/14 08:27 PM

I'm sorry, the whole Nicodemo is really weird. I don't care how dumb someone may be, who does a hit in broad daylight, on crowded streets, in front of witnesses and leaves the mask and gun on the car...and drives there own car....??

The whole thing stinks...

There would have been dozens of way t tae the guy out if that what was needed to be done, including having any number of associates that would like to make a name for themselves...
Posted By: spmob

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/20/14 09:12 PM

Originally Posted By: jmack
It's been a while sp where you been?


Just lurking around. smile

I post here and there. Hoping this trial will come to an end soon.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/20/14 09:14 PM

Sunday, January 19, 2014
Ligambi Jury Reaches Partial Verdict; Specter of Third Trial Rises

"Uncle Joe" Ligambi could be facing trial number three...
The jury in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of old-school Philly mob boss Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi and his nephew, George Borgesi, has reached a partial verdict, but it won't be made public until Tuesday (Monday is a holiday).

Before recessing on Friday, the jury sent the judge a note saying it had reached a verdict on two of the five counts, but remained hung on the other three.

The note highlighted that there was a "firm difference of opinion" over the remaining charges.

Ligambi, 74, is charged with racketeering conspiracy, two counts of illegal gambling and one count of witness tampering. The case against him includes secretly recorded conversations, most of which involve other mobsters as well as cooperators.

Borgesi, 50, faces a single count of racketeering conspiracy that is built primarily on informants' testimony; the consensus of court watchers says that Borgesi's fate depends on whether or not the jurors believe any of the two turncoats that provided testimony during trial.

If jurors voted for guilt on the conspiracy charge, it could lead to sentences of 10 years or more.

But if racketeering conspiracy is among the three charges on which the jury is hung -- which is what happened in the first trial -- the issue will become whether the government would opt to try the two defendants a third time.

For context, John Gotti Junior was hit with four racketeering trials, all of which ended in mistrials. In January 2010, federal prosecutors announced that they would no longer seek to prosecute Gotti for the charges. However, unlike in the Ligambi trial, the charges against Junior included serious violence: murder, drug trafficking, loan sharking and kidnapping.
However, unlike in the Ligambi trial, the charges against Junior included serious violence: murder, drug trafficking, loansharking and kidnapping.

The issue of bail would likely be raised if a third trial becomes the potential scenario; the two defendants have been held since May 2011.

According to Anastasia, one friend told Ligambi: "I cut two pounds of soppressata (for a victory celebration). It'll wait til Tuesday."

Ligambi smiled and nodded.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/20/14 10:56 PM

another snow storm hitting Philly tomorrow whatever that may mean .. rest assured this trial ends this week IMO
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/20/14 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
another snow storm hitting Philly tomorrow whatever that may mean .. rest assured this trial ends this week IMO


I was just going to post this. I've heard between 3 and 10 inches. I guess we will see what happens.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 06:22 AM

Originally Posted By: jmack
Originally Posted By: Jose
another snow storm hitting Philly tomorrow whatever that may mean .. rest assured this trial ends this week IMO


I was just going to post this. I've heard between 3 and 10 inches. I guess we will see what happens.


If a vic's cat stops deliberations, who knows what a cold front could do.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 01:48 PM

not guilty today and the boys go home to soppressata
Posted By: spmob

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 04:16 PM

Anyone now if court was cancelled today? The snow started to come down around 10am and its really coming down now so I know they will let them go home. But did they ever even start? Are they going to give us the partial verdict or will they have to keep deliberating?
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 04:25 PM

TUESDAY, JANUARY 21, 2014

Snow Stalls Mob Trial Deliberations
By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

Jury deliberations ended shortly after they began this morning in the racketeering conspiracy retrial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi.

With snow beginning to swirl outside the federal courthouse at 6th and Market Streets and with predictions of a snow storm that would dump eight to 10 inches on the city, Judge Eduardo Robreno dismissed the panel at 10:30, about an hour after deliberations began.

The jury of 11 women and one man is due back tomorrow, but with snow predicted to continue through tonight and with strong winds and dropping temperatures to follow, another delay is possible.

The jury has deliberated for seven days after hearing eight weeks of testimony. On Friday it announced that it had reached a verdict on two of the five counts it is considering and had a "firm difference of opinion" on the other three. Robreno urged the panel to continue deliberations.

It could not be determined what charges have been decided or whether the jury has voted to convict or acquit.

Borgesi, 50, faces one count of conspiracy. Ligambi, 74, is charge with conspiracy, two counts of illegal gambling and one count of witness tampering.

Both men have been held without bail since the indictment in the case was handed up in May 2011. Their first trial ended with a jury unable to reach a verdict on the counts now pending. In that case, four other defendants were convicted and one was acquitted.

That jury, after three weeks of deliberations, delivered not guilty verdicts on 46 counts, guilty verdicts on five and hung on 11 others, including the charges against Ligambi and Borgesi that are now being retried.

George Anastasia can be contacted at George@bigtrial.net.

Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/#Hqp10HgaDmDym1HL.99
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 04:39 PM

They really don't want to let these guys go
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 04:47 PM

Agree with you tbf but the weather and roads are awful
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 04:48 PM

Yea at this point time served seems like an appropriate sentence
Posted By: padrone

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 05:01 PM

What did Joe Montegna say to Warren Beatty in Bugsy when the opening of the Flamingo was delayed? "You can't control the weather Benny, no mere mortal ever could".
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 05:21 PM

I feel like its never going to end!
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 05:22 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Yea at this point time served seems like an appropriate sentence

Never happen. They either walk on a not guilty verdict, or this judge maxes them out on a guilty one. I see no in between.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Yea at this point time served seems like an appropriate sentence

Never happen. They either walk on a not guilty verdict, or this judge maxes them out on a guilty one. I see no in between.


I agree. While I don't share the sentiment of others on here that the judge has been trying to screw these guys, I do think that if they are found guilty he is going to max them out.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 05:42 PM

This is beyond a joke and yes the judge is hoping to max them out, he is a Jag off and this trial is hurting his reputation in Philadelphia For being biased.
They def don't want to let these guys go and he's been delaying all these court days with a smile on his face. First the stupid cat(if there is even one or if so maybe dead by now), then they declared mistrial and he sent them back to work, and now the snow!,what? people in philly won't survive in snow? Lol,
He will delay this trial for many more reasons before it's over, Georgie and Joe must be deliriously laughing about how this is playing out, while there family is suffering from not knowing the uncertain, They have been held for 3 years on this case, wtf is that, lucibello and Angelina will be home soon and merlino will be off supervised release in March, this trial will end when Scarfo sr is paroled lol FUCKING ASSHOLES LOLLOL
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 05:57 PM

george and joe must be going nuts inside...couldnt imagine
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 06:16 PM

There is NOTHING I would like to see more than Freckles Borgesi getting convicted and staying in the can...I hope they turn him into a raving lunatic and send him to solitary for 6 months...Hope Uncle Joe walks!
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 06:18 PM

Any news on the Scarfo bank fraud trial going on in Camden?

There was a few articles saying the trial started and then nothing. No more news on it.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 06:32 PM

Robreno is not going to risk the jurors safety with the snow travel and roads. It's blizzard conditions which I'm sure you can appreciate in Chicago NG...I wouldn't be surprised if they have off tomorrow too.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 06:34 PM

If anastasia gets the boot from the scarfo case they'll have other reporters in the courtroom. I think those guys are done for - scarfo and pelullo, just going thru the motions
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 06:50 PM

Y nobody likes borgesi? Does this guy have any friends? He seems to be very powerful in the streets
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 06:54 PM

Originally Posted By: JCB1977
There is NOTHING I would like to see more than Freckles Borgesi getting convicted and staying in the can...I hope they turn him into a raving lunatic and send him to solitary for 6 months...Hope Uncle Joe walks!
[quote=JCB1977]

Hey I'm just curious, why do u want to see him guilty? Are you a victim of something or do you personally know them, again just curious.
Thks
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 08:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
If anastasia gets the boot from the scarfo case they'll have other reporters in the courtroom. I think those guys are done for - scarfo and pelullo, just going thru the motions

I agree Jose...these guys...Scarfo Jr and Pelullo are screwed. Scarfo is gonna get hammered hard at his sentencing.

I used to know the lawyer that was charged in the case Don Manno a little bit, and to me he always seemed to be a pretty decent guy. I hope he beats the case....i was pretty surprised he got involved in it in the first place.

I forgot George A said he might not be able to cover the trial, so i really hope one of the other local crime reporters does.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 08:21 PM

I would think the judge's reputation would be ruined if he didn't send the jury home.Once November rolls around there is probably never even close to a 5 day ''work''week when it comes to these trials.With the holiday's,bad weather days,and throw in a day when the jury itself has a situation [sick cat] these trials drag on forever.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 09:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
[quote=JCB1977]There is NOTHING I would like to see more than Freckles Borgesi getting convicted and staying in the can...I hope they turn him into a raving lunatic and send him to solitary for 6 months...Hope Uncle Joe walks!
Originally Posted By: JCB1977


Hey I'm just curious, why do u want to see him guilty? Are you a victim of something or do you personally know them, again just curious.
Thks


I don't want to answer for JCB or anything. But a lot of people feel this way. Ligambi gets by on a "no penchant for violence" reputation publicly, even though he served 10 years for killing Frankie Flowers and got off on a technicality. He's a real (or wannabe, whatever you choose to believe) Angelo Bruno type.

Borgesi is known as a loose canon with a mean streak. A real student of the "Nicodemo Scarfo School for the Incompetent Napoleon Complex Wiseguy". People in Philadelphia and New Jersey have seen more than enough of this type of gangster and they don't want to see another one walking around South Philly.
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 10:03 PM

I saw GA posted on his Blog a few times given the assortment of comments being made. He asked one question to the audience? What should I cover guys this trial? The scarfo trial or the Masternardo Trial?

So go to bigtrial.net and let george hear your voice
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/21/14 10:15 PM

They've already announced schools and state court in philly will be closed on Wednesday so i would assume the federal courts in Philly (and Camden) will be too. Looks like nothing before thursday at the earliest as far as the Ligambi and Borgesi trial goes.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/22/14 04:22 AM

FrankMazola-

I don't want to answer for JCB or anything. But a lot of people feel this way. Ligambi gets by on a "no penchant for violence" reputation publicly, even though he served 10 years for killing Frankie Flowers and got off on a technicality. He's a real (or wannabe, whatever you choose to believe) Angelo Bruno type.

Borgesi is known as a loose canon with a mean streak. A real student of the "Nicodemo Scarfo School for the Incompetent Napoleon Complex Wiseguy". People in Philadelphia and New Jersey have seen more than enough of this type of gangster and they don't want to see another one walking around South Philly.[/quote]

Frank you a lawyer or a prosecutor? To me you sound like a prosecutor, anyways when you say he's "known to be a loose cannon" what do you mean? I wanna here from people that actually know the guy, not a bunch of suit n ties gossiping like girls at the nearest restaurant bar closest to the courthouse about what a lying informant is saying, Not one of you know him personally and it's all hearsay but still speak about the guy like its facts, so it don't hold up in my court buddy lol
I bet the guys on the street that can't collect deadbeat jagoff gambling debts, will be very happy to see a "man of honor" back on the street, rules will be put back in place.
You will never get that my friend, Keep prosecuting poor people that have no chance against our system buddy, karma's a bitch
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/22/14 03:03 PM

No court today guys .. two days left before the weekend although I think it need this week.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/22/14 04:30 PM

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Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/22/14 04:42 PM

Jose ur doing a pretty good job covering this trial, u would make a good trial reporter
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/22/14 05:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: NinoSconza
I saw GA posted on his Blog a few times given the assortment of comments being made. He asked one question to the audience? What should I cover guys this trial? The scarfo trial or the Masternardo Trial?

So go to bigtrial.net and let george hear your voice

He never asked the audience anything. He just said he wanted to move on to the other trials...

"George Anastasia January 17, 2014 at 10:43 AM
I'd rather have fewer comments and less vitriol. But unfortunately that's the nature of the "new" media we're all dealing with. Would like to move on to covering the Scarfo trial and the Mastronardo case, also Galati and Nicodemo. Let's all try to stayed focused on the issues.

Well the Ligambi-Borgesi trial is almost over and if GA had to pick one of the other cases i'd definitely go with the Nicodemo trial...that one should be real good. Plus it's a state case so maybe we'll get to see some of it. Pretty sure PA permits camera's in the Courtroom. Anyone know for sure?

The Galati trial should be good but he lacks the made guy stature of Nicodemo.

The Mastronardo case is a Sports Book case...eh. Most interesting part to me will be the sentencing.

Scarfo case should be decent. Aren't Nicky Sr and Vic Amuso unindicted conspirators? Would be great if someone called them to testify even if they would only invoke the 5th.
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/22/14 08:43 PM

Well given Nicodemo and Galati are Grand Jury cases there really isn't much he can tell us because it's not like he's allowed in the court room. So for him to move onto the Scarfo case or Masternardo case I would narrow it down. I don't think George wants to write about the Masternardo's they wield too much power. He'll probably start covering the scarfo trial. Which is basically a corporate takeover and they bought a lot of toys and who knows if there is any money left. I feel like you could sum that case up by comparing it to one episode of American Greed parallel to a guy running a ponzi scheme.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 02:56 AM

Gents - hope to report back real time tomorrow. Depends on my real job - stay tuned but will post asap
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 03:38 AM

Is court back on Jose?
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 04:21 AM

Yes court back on NG I will report back ASAP
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 04:30 AM

What I do is irrelevant (a majority of lawyers aren't prosecutors or defense atty's).
Just what I said: Borgesi has a short fuse. That's straight from the mouths of many of the South Philly posters as well as people in the know I've talked to about the case. (I'm from Belleville, NJ. Not "the courthouse" by the way). He's everything Ligambi isn't.

I'm pretty sure JCB shares my opinion on this... Hell, ask Angelo Lutz for that matter.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 05:09 AM

Gentlemen - I'll let you guys know first hand
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 05:40 AM

Understood FrankMazola
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 12:05 PM

Isn't it rather obvious that the 2 main charges [conspiracy]against both defendants is 2 of the 3 their stuck on.In Borgesi's case for example if they found him innocent of that wouldn't they just let him go.Why should he come to court everyday if he's innocent.Almost the same with a guilty verdict,if the jury already knows then he should be either sent home or just wait for sentencing that's why I feel like their hung on that.Same with Ligambi if he's guilty on the conspiracy then he would probably be guilty on the other ones.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 12:16 PM

Everybody hates Borgesi, but I think its pretty funny how people pick and choose the criminals they "like or dislike". Theyre all scumbags deep down, especially Uncle Joe. Yea Borgesi is a loud mouth ugly looking prick who def. needs an ass kicking. But I would never wish jail on anyone. I mean sure if hes committing crimes, he deserves to be in jail. But im not gonna wish the guy to die in jail for stuff I have read in books or heard on a forum.
Posted By: paddy78

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 03:50 PM

steve, this forum needs more guys like you, too many oc cop wannabees around here,collecting their baseball cards lol
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 03:56 PM

@steve that's true. Actually people give Ligambi a pass when in reality he helped shoot Frankie Flowers. I even catch myself doing that.
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 04:05 PM

jose whats the word?
Posted By: Extortion

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: paddy78
steve, this forum needs more guys like you, too many oc cop wannabees around here,collecting their baseball cards lol


I think JCB, IvyLeaque and maybe Giancarlo are the only wannabe cops/feds ive seen on here.

But paddy should know, hes irish!
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Extortion
Originally Posted By: paddy78
steve, this forum needs more guys like you, too many oc cop wannabees around here,collecting their baseball cards lol


I think JCB, IvyLeaque and maybe Giancarlo are the only wannabe cops/feds ive seen on here.

But paddy should know, hes irish!

Damn straight, Special Agent Giancarlo Ryan here....you have a problem with that asshole?

Fucking douchebag.
Posted By: F_white

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Everybody hates Borgesi, but I think its pretty funny how people pick and choose the criminals they "like or dislike". Theyre all scumbags deep down, especially Uncle Joe. Yea Borgesi is a loud mouth ugly looking prick who def. needs an ass kicking. But I would never wish jail on anyone. I mean sure if hes committing crimes, he deserves to be in jail. But im not gonna wish the guy to die in jail for stuff I have read in books or heard on a forum.


Well said.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 05:39 PM

Couldn't get over there today but checking for updates
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 05:42 PM

I've always looked at Ligambi has playing with house money.Even if he gets convicted and basically has to spend the rest of his life in prison he still had those 14 years of freedom from 97 to 2011.I mean you don't see many mob murder trials where the defendants win an appeal.A couple of comments made by the prosecution that enabled that new trial didn't really change the facts of that case.You see a lot of comments of how bad Ligambi is getting screwed but basically he's pretty lucky.I mean you go from doing life in Graterford Prison to spending the next 14 summers at the jersey shore.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 05:51 PM

No updates this morning
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
I've always looked at Ligambi has playing with house money.Even if he gets convicted and basically has to spend the rest of his life in prison he still had those 14 years of freedom from 97 to 2011.I mean you don't see many mob murder trials where the defendants win an appeal.A couple of comments made by the prosecution that enabled that new trial didn't really change the facts of that case.You see a lot of comments of how bad Ligambi is getting screwed but basically he's pretty lucky.I mean you go from doing life in Graterford Prison to spending the next 14 summers at the jersey shore.

I agree. Your chance for appeal is thinner than a ten speed wheel.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 07:02 PM

George Anastasia seems to think one more note from the jury saying they're deadlocked and the Judge will read the verdict(s) that the jury has already come to and declare a mistrial on the others.


Thursday, January 23, 2014

Deliberations To Resume In Mob Trial

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

After a two-day snow storm delay, the jury in the racketeering conspiracy trial of mob boss Joe Ligambi and his nephew George Borgesi was expected to resume deliberations this morning.

This will be the eighth day of deliberations for the panel of 11 women and one man.

The jury announced last week that it had reached a partial verdict, deciding two of the five counts in the case. Judge Eduardo Robreno urged them to keep deliberating despite a note that indicated they had a "firm difference of opinion" on the other three counts.

Whether the days off will change their perspective remains to be seen. The conventional wisdom is that if the panel sends out another note indicating they are deadlocked, the judge would be hard pressed not to take the partial verdict and declare a mistrial on the other counts.

With a weekend and another potential snow storm looming, several observers were predicting that tomorrow, Friday, will bring some resolution to the case.

Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 07:43 PM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
Originally Posted By: 22
I've always looked at Ligambi has playing with house money.Even if he gets convicted and basically has to spend the rest of his life in prison he still had those 14 years of freedom from 97 to 2011.I mean you don't see many mob murder trials where the defendants win an appeal.A couple of comments made by the prosecution that enabled that new trial didn't really change the facts of that case.You see a lot of comments of how bad Ligambi is getting screwed but basically he's pretty lucky.I mean you go from doing life in Graterford Prison to spending the next 14 summers at the jersey shore.

I agree. Your chance for appeal is thinner than a ten speed wheel.

On what grounds did that conviction for the Frankie Flowers murder get overturned?

Long John and Al Daidone got their murder conviction for the hit on John McCullough thrown out too....prosecutorial misconduct. But they served some time for that one just like Ligambi did on the Flowers murder before it was overturned.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 07:46 PM

You're a cop, GC?

I knew it was you. You broke Pizza's heart tongue lol.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
You're a cop, GC?

I knew it was you. You broke Pizza's heart tongue lol.

No way a cop. Shit...i'm an FBI Special Agent. Voted top Special Agent 5 years in a row now.

Now your all busted for conspiracy. So please keep your hands where i can see them until my backup and the paddy wagon arrives. lol
Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 07:57 PM

CG,

The case is Commonwealth v. Scarfo, 416 Pa. Super. 329, 611 A.2d 242 (1992). The convictions were overturned and a retrial was ordered.

Defendants, eight alleged members of the Mafia, were convicted in the Court of Common Pleas of Philadelphia County, Criminal Division, Nos. 8707–3482–3511, 3494, 3495, 3497; 8707–3482 3/7, 3490, 3491, 3492, 3493; 8707–3508, 3509, 3511; 8707–3482 2/7, 3486, 3487, 3488, 3489; 8707–3498–3501; 8707–3482–3485; 1938–1941 Dec. T., 1988; C.P. 87–07–3502–3505, Clarke, J., of first-degree murder, criminal conspiracy and possession of an instrument of crime. The defendants appealed. The Superior Court, Nos. 1481, 1444, 1483, 1516, 1518, 1519, 3136, and 3480 Philadelphia 1990, Cirillo, J., held that: (1) defendants' double jeopardy rights were not violated; (2) proper standard for review of prosecution intrusion into defense camp is “very real likelihood of prejudice to the defendant;” (3) reversible error occurred by prosecution intrusion into defense camp by reason of one codefendant's change of plea; (4) references to five codefendants as “made” members of the Mafia constituted reversible error; (5) no error resulted from jury instructions; and (6) reversible error occurred as result of prosecutor's reference in closing argument to defendants as “wolves,” “pack of wolves,” and “the pack.”

http://www.leagle.com/decision/1992745416PaSuper329_1717
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 07:59 PM


Thanks Nicky. cool
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 08:02 PM







That shocks me don't prosecutors call mobsters made guys and different names all the time.Calling criminals a ''pack'' gets a murder conviction overturned.I remember the thing with Milano flipping and they said they didn't have enough time to counter act that.Somrthing like that.
Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 08:15 PM

Uncle Joe got really really lucky. Subsequently, it appears the supreme court of the state hasn't stuck to this legal standard. So he got a really favorable panel and got lucky.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 08:28 PM

any news today? this is killing me Lol
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 09:00 PM

No verdict today
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
No verdict today

That figures. Thanks Jose for your updates.

Should be interesting to see if the Judge pulls the plug on this tomorrow afternoon if no more verdicts are decided by then.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 10:39 PM

not relevant but Angelo Lutz commented on Bigtrial.net

Angelo Lutz January 23, 2014 at 3:22 PM
I have sat hear day after day and read the statements of all your posts on here (No Balls Anonymous Posts). I was sentenced to 97 months in prison & 3 years supervised release. I came home to nothing. No Job, No Life, and most importantly No Mother. She died while I was incarcerated. I could have gotten a visit if after almost 5 years in prison I would have cooperated with the Federal Authorities on ongoing investigations. I elected to do my time like a man. I don't apologize to anyone for the actions that place me in jail. I do however owe an apology to my Mother who I couldn't be there for because of those actions. Today would have been my Mother's 82nd birthday had she lived. Today I live my life as a successful restaurant owner. Everything I have achieved I did through hard work and effort. Many, Many Many periods in which I received no pay in order to redeem myself not only in the eyes of society but in the eyes of both my deceased parents. I asked for nothing but the same rights anybody who wants to sucked in society and business is entitled to. Because of my felony I can't borrow SBA money. I was forced by the government to pay a fine in order to go into business. Guess what, bottom line I broke the law and paid my debt to society. I live my life with a different set of principles today. So I will not have the good name in which I work hard to re-establish be slandered by all the no name anonymous tough guys and gals on here. EVERYONE GROW UP AND GET A LIFE.


Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/deliberations-to-resume-in-mob-trial.html#bMUAiBe3SXkLwvGh.99
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 10:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
not relevant but Angelo Lutz commented on Bigtrial.net

Some of the comments over there are pretty crazy.

After Lutz posted some guy told him :

"Lutz get your Head out of Borgesis ASS! You are a professional lieing FAT FUCK. Borgesi uses u like the door mat that u are. Now Shut Up and go eat a few cheese Staks!"
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 11:19 PM

The people in George a blog are the worst, he really makes himself look bad that everyone commenting is anonymous and they say some really bad insults to whoever is commenting and talking about these guys and there families, I've tried commenting on there but the prick never posts anything but other peoples dumb shit.
Angelo Lutz is a standup guy and he can go anywhere in america(esp Chicago) and hold his head up high, bent finger Lou coulda did the samething but instead he took the cheese and turned rat, I bet Lou is a lot tougher than Ang physically, but Ang heart is unmatchable, I salute ya BIG GUY from Chicago..and I salute anyone that caught the short end of the stick in life but chose to ride the wave of hard times and not point the finger at a "get outta jail free card" for either lying or telling the truth on someone...God don't like ugly!! God bless
Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 11:19 PM

Lutz got a brutal sentence for what he actually did. Pretty stand-up to take it like a man, could have easily did otherwise.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 11:28 PM

I'm surprised George A. puts up with that shit on the blog. He should probably shut down the comments if thats the type of shit people post.

Wasn't Lutz locked up with Sonny Franzese for a time? I remember reading that somewhere.

Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 11:36 PM

He needs to shut down the comments or switch to facebook. It's a fing embarrassment for a decent journalist to have to put up with the animals that comment over there. Last week someone was posting addresses for george's family, going on horrific rants and spamming everything.

George also responds to people, which is akin to rolling around the slop with the hogs.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 11:46 PM

Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
George also responds to people, which is akin to rolling around the slop with the hogs.


Why doesn't he work for the Inquirer anymore? Contract dispute?
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/23/14 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: LittleNicky
George also responds to people, which is akin to rolling around the slop with the hogs.


Why doesn't he work for the Inquirer anymore? Contract dispute?


I heard because he was such highly paid reporter they offered him a buy out and replaced him with some recent college grad at half the pay. The newspaper business is really hurting these days all because the Internet.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 01:31 AM

My PO told me lutz restaurant is really nice. Everybody on here trashes borgesi because they are scarred and threatened by tough people
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 02:00 AM

Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
My PO told me lutz restaurant is really nice.

Your PO? LOL!

I've never been to Lutz's place but my buddy has and he said it was decent food. Said Angelo is real friendly and shoots the shit with everyone.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 04:55 AM

This trial has to be over tomo, it's been way 2 long for only 2 defendants and only 5 charges, but I'm starting understand more n more when I think about it why it's taking so long, they filled these jury's heads wit so much evidence that's BS, so they are going through everything 3 times.
It shows the Govt was so desperate on this case, it's sickening what there capable of doing on turning an inch into a foot, anyways they used tapes from 10years ago, (which they previously used to convict Georgie) witnesses like Jack Garcias fats ass (which he don't even know these guys), thousands of tapes that don't incriminate either one, The Rat crumb who's 100 (which) ain't been around in 35 years, there evidence is all hearsay (A guy can say its Unc joes $ on tape, n thats what there trying to convict him on), Last time I checked that's called hearsay n should only be able to be used if the guy who said it will repeat it on the stand, so much bullshizz and on top of it 10 women 1 man, whichever lawyer said pick all the women was genius, women disagree wit each other over everything lol lol, and think about it, your telling me all these guys that are stuck at home wit the kids when normally that's what the mom would do, they ain't googling these guys names every night n updating her lol for sure I can only imagine if it was me what I would be doing lol lol END IT TOMO and #FREETHEGUYS
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
and on top of it 10 women 1 man, whichever lawyer said pick all the women was genius, women disagree wit each other over everything lol lol, and think about it, your telling me all these guys that are stuck at home wit the kids when normally that's what the mom would do,

What century do you live in?
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 12:34 PM

I know we keep saying it each week but have to think today is the day where if the jury sends a stalemate note to Robreno it should be over. To have them go another weekend would seem like a lost cause. They've had plenty of time off and in deliberations for only 5 counts. At this point it's just looking like poor form on the judge. We'll see but my action would be around 3:30 we hear something definitive if not sooner.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 12:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
I know we keep saying it each week but have to think today is the day where if the jury sends a stalemate note to Robreno it should be over. To have them go another weekend would seem like a lost cause. They've had plenty of time off and in deliberations for only 5 counts. At this point it's just looking like poor form on the judge. We'll see but my action would be around 3:30 we hear something definitive if not sooner.


I agree. Are you playing court reporter today? I was going to go over but I have work today.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 01:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
I know we keep saying it each week but have to think today is the day where if the jury sends a stalemate note to Robreno it should be over. To have them go another weekend would seem like a lost cause. They've had plenty of time off and in deliberations for only 5 counts. At this point it's just looking like poor form on the judge. We'll see but my action would be around 3:30 we hear something definitive if not sooner.

I agree with you Jose....and so does George Anastasia. If the jury comes back this afternoon still deadlocked i think good chance the Judge pulls the plug and declares a mistrial on the remaining counts and announces the verdict(s) the jury has decided on.

JMack...i see your in Camden County...if you get bored theres always the Scarfo bank trial in Camden. Not as good as the trial in philly but it's close to home.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 02:01 PM

Had to come into my job today - early in the trial I had some down time but now it's tough. If I can I'll go over this afternoon. Stay tuned today guys
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 03:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: Jose
I know we keep saying it each week but have to think today is the day where if the jury sends a stalemate note to Robreno it should be over. To have them go another weekend would seem like a lost cause. They've had plenty of time off and in deliberations for only 5 counts. At this point it's just looking like poor form on the judge. We'll see but my action would be around 3:30 we hear something definitive if not sooner.

I agree with you Jose....and so does George Anastasia. If the jury comes back this afternoon still deadlocked i think good chance the Judge pulls the plug and declares a mistrial on the remaining counts and announces the verdict(s) the jury has decided on.

JMack...i see your in Camden County...if you get bored theres always the Scarfo bank trial in Camden. Not as good as the trial in philly but it's close to home.


Yeah I thought about heading over at some point if I can get some time off from work.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 04:56 PM

What century I live in? B more specific which part didn't u like??
@ted
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:00 PM

George Borgesi found not guilty of racketeering conspiracy.

Ligambi cleared on witness tampering count


https://twitter.com/jeremyrroebuck
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:08 PM

Nice work Giancarlo I would think that's it. Looks like south Philly will be lively tonight and if Joe walks that soppressetta will go down nicely with some red wine
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:11 PM

Old Bent Finger Lou is probably shitting his pants right about now.

Georgie Boy is coming home...God help us...lol
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:21 PM

Someone Que " Philadelphia Freedom" by Elton John.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: VegasMikey
My PO told me lutz restaurant is really nice.

Your PO? LOL!

I've never been to Lutz's place but my buddy has and he said it was decent food. Said Angelo is real friendly and shoots the shit with everyone.


Haha yea I was on ISP and my PO was an Italian guy he said Angelo's restaurant was excellent
Posted By: Beanshooter

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:24 PM

Reputed mob boss Joseph Ligambi and his purported consigliere, George Borgesi were found not guilty. (File photo)
»
POSTED: Friday, January 24, 2014, 12:14 PM
A federal jury has acquitted reputed mob consigliere George Borgesi of RICO conspiracy.

In a partial verdict delivered Friday morning, the panel also cleared alleged mob boss Joseph Ligambi on one count of witness tampering. Jurors reported they remained deadlocked on three other counts against the alleged mob don.

U.S. District Judge Eduardo Robreno sent the panel back just before noon to take an official vote on whether they were deadlocked.

Should the jurors say yes, it would be the second time in two years that the judge declared a mistrial on the same charges.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaki...LIQOeFm129ZC.99
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:31 PM

I hope they do the right thing and cut Joe loose or at least set bail until they can decide how to proceed.

2 trials....and he's been locked up for a decent amount of time already.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:36 PM

Looks like George will be consummating his marriage tonight wink I think I hear the Feds begging nicodemo as we speak.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:38 PM

Wow that's great news for there families, everyone deserves a 2nd chance!!
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:44 PM

I think scoops walked out right away and had cocktails around the corner after the first trial. Well done by Jacobs and Warren.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 05:51 PM

They should definitely be letting them both out today, there's gotta be cameras there waiting to see these guys walk out, for Borgesi it's gotta be surreal to actually be walking out, if he is everything people say about him is true, karma we'll come to get him. But just like when your at war and you kill the opposition, your not going to HELL considering both sides knew the stakes!! What is Rat finger Lou doing now? Lol he's gotta be crawling in a sewer somewhere to feel comfortable. Hahahaha you Rat fuckin [BadWord] shoulda been a man and ate your charge, he said he flipped because they were gonna kill him, but truth of the matter is if they did wanna kill him but he went to jail for 10+ by the time he came out all ill feelings woulda went away and he'd been considered a stand up guy! but instead he was an imposter who was just a wannabe and when the good times were done! he said "fuck this I quit" you rat Bitch this is what you deserve.
And where's jag off Han now and the other guy Labor? Where's you news conference now you scumbags, hope you guys feel good your going back to getting coffees for real States Attorneys, what an embarssement for Philadelphia Fed System lol Fuck Em
Posted By: Jrtyler

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:02 PM

Does Borgesi still owe time on his previous conviction or is he free and clear?
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:03 PM

Reporters starting to show up so far no tv crews on market street. Jacobs and Warren appear calm and in good spirits outside on a break obviously.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Jrtyler
Does Borgesi still owe time on his previous conviction or is he free and clear?

Pretty sure George maxed out...so he's free and clear.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:10 PM

Does not make sense why they didn't let Borgesi out last week,I mean you can have it in for somebody but if the jury knew last week he's not guilty they just had to get every minute they could from him.Whether you like him or not that wasn't right.
Posted By: LittleNicky

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:21 PM

Pretty amazing. I hope the feds can the worthless prosecutors that brought this junior-varsity level legal case.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:32 PM

Borgesi getting released this afternoon after 13 years - judge now deciding on what to do with uncle joe
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
Does not make sense why they didn't let Borgesi out last week,I mean you can have it in for somebody but if the jury knew last week he's not guilty they just had to get every minute they could from him.Whether you like him or not that wasn't right.


I told you Robreno was No Good!!!!
Posted By: moneyman

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:34 PM

Borgesi better watch his back. Feds clearly have a hard on for him considering the fact they even tried to re try him with such a weak case. Feds do not lose very often.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:38 PM

Originally Posted By: moneyman
Borgesi better watch his back. Feds clearly have a hard on for him considering the fact they even tried to re try him with such a weak case. Feds do not lose very often.


There gonna be sending guys at him to ENTRAP him for sure, the whole crew really, can't wait to see there softball team back together lol
Philly Gotta Strong Crew wit the guys that are out!
Merlino
Mazzone
Borgesi
Chang
Lance
Ligambi
Narducci, that's prolly the upper echelon

Gaeton and Marty will be home soon too

Angelo's restaurant is gonna be booming in business by the way, wait till march and merlino Starts popping up everywhere with us guys
Good entertainment lol
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:41 PM

Aponick and Bfl were just not credible and the defense did their job.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Originally Posted By: 22
Does not make sense why they didn't let Borgesi out last week,I mean you can have it in for somebody but if the jury knew last week he's not guilty they just had to get every minute they could from him.Whether you like him or not that wasn't right.

I told you Robreno was No Good!!!!

C'mon...tell us how you REALLY feel Nice Guy. lol

Your a funny guy. wink
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:51 PM

The Feds should reevaluate how they use RICO, not that they ever would but it really is way overused and these 2 trials proved it more than anything. In every city if your labeled MOB or OC you are fucked, these guys in Philly are really lucky that the govt basically came up with a terrible case! But usually the Feds can indict a hamburger and get a conviction, very very lucky...
Where's all the Govt Cheerleaders now, fucking idiots, rooting for a Govt that don't care about me or you, can't wait to read George A comments section, the wackos on there are prolly going crazy lol
Posted By: Extortion

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
They should definitely be letting them both out today, there's gotta be cameras there waiting to see these guys walk out, for Borgesi it's gotta be surreal to actually be walking out, if he is everything people say about him is true, karma we'll come to get him. But just like when your at war and you kill the opposition, your not going to HELL considering both sides knew the stakes!! What is Rat finger Lou doing now? Lol he's gotta be crawling in a sewer somewhere to feel comfortable. Hahahaha you Rat fuckin [BadWord] shoulda been a man and ate your charge, he said he flipped because they were gonna kill him, but truth of the matter is if they did wanna kill him but he went to jail for 10+ by the time he came out all ill feelings woulda went away and he'd been considered a stand up guy! but instead he was an imposter who was just a wannabe and when the good times were done! he said "fuck this I quit" you rat Bitch this is what you deserve.
And where's jag off Han now and the other guy Labor? Where's you news conference now you scumbags, hope you guys feel good your going back to getting coffees for real States Attorneys, what an embarssement for Philadelphia Fed System lol Fuck Em


See if they were real LCN they would not forgive and certainly wouldn't forget
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:53 PM

I went back and read about the actual bank robberies by Aponick,that had to be one of the dumbest moves in federal history making him a federal witness.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:54 PM

@giancarlo LolLol I love good cops and govt employees that do there job by the book, but for all the crooked cops and overreaching DAs and Judges that slam people on ridiculous convictions deserve to be stripped of there powers after they lose a case this big.....F%*K em ALL
LOL
I see Demotions coming, maybe they hire FrankMazola lol
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 06:54 PM

yo PB I finally got a prediction correct!
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:01 PM

Officially called a mistrial no word if they will retry but doubtful.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Officially called a mistrial no word if they will retry but doubtful.

Thanks Jose.

Have they mentioned how the voting was lining up on the hung counts? How many for convicting and how many against? Just wondering what the split was and if it was just one or two jurors against the others.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:13 PM

Working on finding out. Crews starting to show up - expect everything to be done in the next hour - I'm sure Dave and George will have a Fox 29 report tonight. George has a way of finding things out pretty good so look out for his post too. Doesn't help that it's one of the coldest days of the year. Georgie could be a free man already.
Posted By: TonyBoy117

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:20 PM

Good for Borgesi, I'm actually pretty surprised they didn't decide on the Uncle yet
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:25 PM

The age of the rat is over!
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:28 PM

2 things I loved about Edwin Jacobs' Defense of Joe Ligambi.

1) Classification of these charges as "RICO lite".

2) Never denying the fact that they're mob members, but with the caveat that there technically isn't anything wrong with that.

2*) I think that is the successful way to defend a mob case in the post 9/11 generation of RICO trials. It was first used by Vincent Basciano's attorney in his 1 acquittal. I think it was Harrison Ford in 'Clear and Present Danger', "Why diffuse a bomb that has already gone off."
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:37 PM

I was in court when Jacobs went over this. To be entirely honest I didn't know it wasn't a crime to be involved in a club or an organization like the LCN. I would assume the jury thought the same thing. People hear the word mob or LCN and they assume one thing. Jacobs is real good and he reminds me of Cutler. Boisterous but commands respect in the courtroom. He's smart and it's hard not to agree wht what he presents. He doesn't come off like a jerk but an attorney that knows exactly what he's doing.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:41 PM

Hey frank Mazola what's the difference besides saying their in the Mob compared to saying they are ''made guys'' because when I was reading that transcript somebody posted about Ligambi's appeal from back in 97 that was a no no.One of the reasons for his new trial.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:42 PM

Man I wonder if all the other defendants that got slammed have any chancre of appeal cause of these verdicts, I really hope so because massimino and canacalio got slammed, hopefully, because again I firmly disagree with Robreno on that one, anyways Anyone gonna post a pic of borgesi when he's freed on here? Or the Unc, c'mon Jose we all know we can count on you.. Lol
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:47 PM

Philly is gonna get even more interesting now. Things like this can change a lot in the family. Them lawyers put up a hell of a fight.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 07:59 PM

Jury was 10-2 for acquittal on hung counts. Wow.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
can't wait to read George A comments section, the wackos on there are prolly going crazy lol

Those maniacs on the Big Trial Blog are already going at it. Looks like over a dozen comments have already been deleted. lol

Here's a few they left up :

GAU can earase all my comments I d8nt care the word is on the street there is 3 hits out on Bor Gay zzzz

Either can THE FAMILIES OF THE PPL HE MUDERED. .......ESP. THE MAZZUCAS....... HOG TIE TIME ....

long live Jimmy the Gent!

Party at jesters club,BYOE bring your own envelope! !!

STEVE MAZZONE IS NOT SAYING ANYTHING NOW IS HE THAT HOMO!!!!!!!!!!

GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:01 PM

No pics from me sorry.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Jury was 10-2 for acquittal on hung counts. Wow.

Wow is right. Thanks again Jose. cool
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:13 PM

Saloon, Dante's, Tre Scalini, DiLinardos, Encore - any one of these and maybe all will be going off tonight or tomorrow. Enjoy the weekend everyone.
Posted By: Wilson101

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:14 PM

I was just reading some comments on bigtrial when I found this gem. Could it be our buddy Marine!?


Let me tell you all something ive lost family members friends to this life but guess what thats the life they chose so either they were killed or in jail. So before you make your comments about people and there family just stop and think thats the life they wanted to live so if they got killed or went to jail or your a person they tried to kill and you know your on here just keep selling cars in witness protection. You also wanted to be a gangster your own crue tried to kill u. I dont think your btother should have got killed but you killed him because you wanted to be a gangster. When they walk out in the next week or two dont be surprised. And for you other people that have no stake in this u can say what you want on here but wont say it on the streets. Use dont even know quarter of what really goes on. My family members that were killed hey they wanted that life im sure i stand next to the people that killed them everyday and i consider them friends........................... I think your just as bad as them and for the ppl that had nothing to do with tis so called Mob and was killed by Bor GAy Z I think he should FRY IN YOUR FYERLATOR ,,, YOUR STILL KISSING HES ASS WERE YOU THAT HARD UP TO BE A WISE GUY, CUZ U REALLY GOT THE SHIT END OF THE STICK, AND i WOULD SAY SORRY FOR YOUR LOSSES BUT SINCE YOU CHOSED THIS LIFE STYLE YOU DIDNT DESERVE TO SEE YOUR PARENTS LAY TO REST, SORRY HIPPO




Read more at http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/day-nine-in-mob-jury-deliberatoins.html#B3LhtJUV6M3JqiHZ.99
Posted By: cheech

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:24 PM

did uncle joe get bail?
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:29 PM

Waiting - quiet outside on market - freezing cold
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:31 PM

Yes!!! Lol. Pretty sure UJ gets bail next week if they don't free him today. GB probably walks right out, but does he have to go to a halfway house like Merlino did after being released? Have a great weekend everyone !
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Waiting - quiet outside on market - freezing cold


Lol. Pretty cold today.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
GB probably walks right out, but does he have to go to a halfway house like Merlino did after being released?

Good question. He was due for release in 2011, so he spent his halfway house time in prison. His 3 years supervised release should be done in a couple of months.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:39 PM

Dude that bigtrial is embarrassing, George A is a good reporter but that is too low for him. He was at his best when him and schratweiser were doing Mob Talk it was very interesting,
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:40 PM

Georgie has spent the last 2 years as a free man in jail - no way he is sent to a halfway house.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:41 PM

I could be wrong and someone help me out but doesn't Georgie get a payout for being held on these charges since he's not guilty?
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
GB probably walks right out, but does he have to go to a halfway house like Merlino did after being released?

Good question. He was due for release in 2011, so his 3 years supervised release should be done in a couple of months.


Yes, I know. But I read Merlino was in a halfway house for 6 months and now he's about to get off supervised release.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
GB probably walks right out, but does he have to go to a halfway house like Merlino did after being released?

Good question. He was due for release in 2011, so his 3 years supervised release should be done in a couple of months.


Yes, I know. But I read Merlino was in a halfway house for 6 months and now he's about to get off supervised release.

I edited my early post, after rereading your question. Merlino spent 6 months after release in a halfway house, right? So since Borgesi was in prison during the time he should of been in a halfway house that would mean he doesn't have to serve that time.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:46 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
Hey frank Mazola what's the difference besides saying their in the Mob compared to saying they are ''made guys'' because when I was reading that transcript somebody posted about Ligambi's appeal from back in 97 that was a no no.One of the reasons for his new trial.

Neither being in the mob nor being a made guy is a crime technically. While it hurts credibility and increases believability that one will commit crimes, getting your button does not make one a felon. Conspiring to or commission of a felony is what makes someone a felon

I haven't read Ligambi's retrial from 1997. Here's my best guess. Without solid proof, the Prosecution took the leap in assuming Joe was made at the time he whacked out Frankie Flowers. Bobby Simone, his attorney (and a very good one), possibly failed to attack that nuance. The retrial judge likely concluded that Joe being a made member of Cosa Nostra unduly influenced the jury to convict. As much as to release him of guilt for the crime at retrial 10 years later.
Posted By: SonnyL

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:49 PM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Originally Posted By: 22
Hey frank Mazola what's the difference besides saying their in the Mob compared to saying they are ''made guys'' because when I was reading that transcript somebody posted about Ligambi's appeal from back in 97 that was a no no.One of the reasons for his new trial.

Neither being in the mob nor being a made guy is a crime technically. While it hurts credibility and increases believability that one will commit crimes, getting your button does not make one a felon. Conspiring to or commission of a felony is what makes someone a felon

I haven't read Ligambi's retrial from 1997. Here's my best guess. Without solid proof, the Prosecution took the leap in assuming Joe was made at the time he whacked out Frankie Flowers. Bobby Simone, his attorney (and a very good one), possibly failed to attack that nuance. The retrial judge likely concluded that Joe being a made member of Cosa Nostra unduly influenced the jury to convict. As much as to release him of guilt for the crime at
retrial 10 years later.

I think maybe because it was a state murder case and not a federal racketeering murder case that mentioning there mob connections made it detrimental to them getting a fair trial that's just my guess I really don't know I'm not a lawyer
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:56 PM

Fed prosecutors checking with their Philly office and us doj in Washington, D.C. On uncle joe .. No decision yet so assume he's staying in for now at least
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 08:58 PM

George walked out of federal custody with his family- first time free man since 2000. Georgie is free man
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:02 PM

Mousie and to some degree Staino are so fucking pissed right now.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:05 PM

I can picture George saying:

“Free at last, Free at last, Thank God almighty I'M free at last.”

lol
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
I can picture George saying:

“Free at last, Free at last, Thank God almighty I'M free at last.”

lol


I had a dream that one day I'l be able to walk out of the can...
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:13 PM

Yes Frank Mazola your on the right track with your answer,it sounded to me like by the prosecutors saying they were ''made guys'' apparantley one would take that to be a made guy you had to whack somebody and I guess that's where the for a better word the unfairness came in.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:16 PM

I compare things to sports a lot,when Georgie went in Donovan McNabb wasn't even the Eagles starting QB yet.Wow that seems like forever ago.He must think he's dreaming.
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: cheech
did uncle joe get bail?


ligambis lawyer says that is the very next motion hes going to file for and i would be very surprised if he doesnt get it, Ligambis lawyer also said he is looking to get a really quick answer from the Attorney General if they intend to go ahead with a third trial.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Dellacroce
Originally Posted By: cheech
did uncle joe get bail?

ligambis lawyer says that is the very next motion hes going to file for and i would be very surprised if he doesnt get it, Ligambis lawyer also said he is looking to get a really quick answer from the Attorney General if they intend to go ahead with a third trial.

I'd be pretty surprised if at this point the Judge doesn't set bail for Ligambi. And i think when the feds realize that the majority of the jurors wanted to acquit him they'll have serious doubts about bringing him to trial again. At least you would think so.

Posted By: Extortion

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:33 PM

At some point the Feds have to let it go or try to build new evidence, it is not really constitutional at all to re-try a 3rd time (2nd was already pushing it). Isn't there any enforcement of the laws and rights of people in the criminal justice system/court system? Seriously bugs me they can do this to people, keep them in jail when they have already won 2 of the trials? really court/law enforcement bros/"n*ggers"?
Posted By: LaLouisiane

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
I can picture George saying:

“Free at last, Free at last, Thank God almighty I'M free at last.”

lol



Give it 6 months, he will be homesick for his cell.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 09:58 PM

3rd retrial is legal. But VERY uncommon.

But, ya never know!

No, just kidding. He'll be home within the week.
Posted By: domwoods74

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 10:04 PM

Any pictures of borgesi yet guys ??
Posted By: Dellacroce

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
can't wait to read George A comments section, the wackos on there are prolly going crazy lol

Those maniacs on the Big Trial Blog are already going at it. Looks like over a dozen comments have already been deleted. lol

Here's a few they left up :

GAU can earase all my comments I d8nt care the word is on the street there is 3 hits out on Bor Gay zzzz

Either can THE FAMILIES OF THE PPL HE MUDERED. .......ESP. THE MAZZUCAS....... HOG TIE TIME ....

long live Jimmy the Gent!

Party at jesters club,BYOE bring your own envelope! !!

STEVE MAZZONE IS NOT SAYING ANYTHING NOW IS HE THAT HOMO!!!!!!!!!!

GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY ... GEORGIE BOY

lol theres just something about that site that attracts a bunch a psycho motherfuckers, im really surprised GA puts up with all that shit.
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 10:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
what I think about Ligambi

Count 1—RICO conspiracy in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1962(d);

hung

Count 43—Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business
in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;

hung

Count 44—Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device
business in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1955 and 2;

not guilty

Count 50—Obstruction of justice in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1512(b)(2)(A);

not guilty

..................

Borgesi

Count 1—RICO conspiracy in violation of 18 U.S.C.
§ 1962(d);

not guilty


I was right on 2/5 smile
Posted By: uptempo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 10:34 PM

Nice one that Gerogie boy is out and i'm hoping uncle Joe walks in the next few days.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/24/14 10:57 PM

Jan 24, 2014

Borgesi Acquitted, Jury Hangs On Key Charges Against Ligambi

By George Anastasia
For Bigtrial.net

In a stunning rebuke of the government's case, a jury today found mobster George Borgesi not guilty of racketeering conspiracy, acquitted mob boss Joe Ligambi of a witness tampering charge and hung on three other counts against Ligambi.

The panel of 11 women and one man had voted 10-2 to acquit Ligambi of a conspiracy charge and two gambling charges he faced.

Ligambi's lawyer, Edwin Jacobs Jr., said he would file a motion next week asking for bail for Ligambi, 74, who has been jailed since he was indicted in the case back in May 2011. Borgesi, 50, was released today. The South Philadelphia capo, who is Ligambi's nephew, has been in jail since his arrest in an unrelated racketeering case in March 2000 for which he subsequently was sentenced to 14 years.

"Thank you, thank you," Borgesi's brother, Anthony, said to the jurors as they left the courtroom after announcing the partial verdict in the case.

It was the second time in less than a year that a federal jury rejected the government's charges against Ligambi and Borgesi. Family members and friends smiled and hugged one another after the jury left the courtroom.

"Thank God," said Manny Borgesi, George's Borgesi's mother, as she hugged her son Anthony. They had attended nearly every day of the trial. Manny Borgesi is Joe Ligambi's sister. Borgesi's wife Alyson, who had been barred from the courtroom, smiled and hugged family members in the hallway after learning of the verdict that will send her husband home for the first time since they were married.


The couple wed while Borgesi was in a federal prison in West Virginia serving the 14-year sentence from the 2000 case.


"Once again they did not lay a finger on us," Jacobs said after the jury's decisions were announced. (Ligambi) has emerged from two federal trials without a scratch."

Jacobs was referring to the fact that Ligambi was found not guilty of five of the nine counts he faced in the first trial that ended in February. The current trial focused on the four remaining counts. Jacobs also said he was disappointed that the jury in the current case was unable to reach a decision on the three counts on which they hung.

"It's a damn shame the two dissenters didn't respect the views of the 10 who were clearly on the right path," he said. In addition to filing a motion for bail, Jacobs is expected to ask for a quick decision from the government on whether they intend to retry Ligambi a third time.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Labor, the lead prosecutor in the case, said that decision rests with the Justice Department in Washington. Labor said he was "disappointed" in the jury verdict. But he pointed out that the overall impact of the case has been to "disrupt La Cosa Nostra in Philadelphia."

Of the 14 defendants named in the indictment handed up in this case, 10 have either been convicted or pleaded guilty. Only two, Joseph "Scoops" Licata and Borgesi, have been acquitted. One defendant is still awaiting trial and Ligambi's status remains in limbo.

Borgesi's lawyer, Christopher Warren, was quick to praise Jacobs for leading the defense during the eight-week trial.

"The architect of (the acquittals of both defendants) is standing right over there," Warren said as he pointed toward Jacobs. Warren also urged everyone in both camps and those he has seen filing comments on this website to tone down the rhetoric.

"It's been an exhausting and gut-wrenching trial," he said. "We're well passed the time for the ugly vitriol to be put to bed. Let's move on."

Both lawyers chided the government for calling witnesses whose credibility and motivation were suspect. In fact, the case against Borgesi was built almost entirely around the testimony of mob informants Louis "Bent Finger Lou" Monacello and Anthony Aponick.

Jacobs, repeating an argument he made in his closing, said it was impossible to believe that "any reasonable grown-up would base any important decision" on the word of the suspect witnesses the government used to build its case.

And, as he had argued to the jury, Jacobs said the government's case was built on "ancient history" and the phony assumption that Ligambi was the boss of a criminal organization. The mob, Jacobs had told the jury, was dismantled more than a decade ago.

While gambling and loansharking still takes place, "as it does in every major city," Jacobs said, those involved in those businesses are "independent contractors" and not part of an organized criminal conspiracy.

While Jacobs said he was prepared to retry the case a third time, he said he hoped the government would not waste taxpayer money for a third chance at conviction.

Warren took a parting shot at Monacello, who is reportedly living in Ventnor, joking that "there are a lot of walnuts cracking in an asshole in Ventnor right now." Warren defended Borgesi in the current case. He had represented Licata in the first case. His clients are the only two defendants to win acquittals thus far.

Borgesi was found not guilty of 13 of the 14 counts he faced in the first trial, but the jury hung on the conspiracy count that was retried this time. The defendant left the federal building with his wife, mother and other family members. They were reportedly celebrating his release this afternoon at a party at his brother Anthony's South Philadelphia home.

http://www.bigtrial.net/2014/01/day-nine-in-mob-jury-deliberatoins.html
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 12:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Ted

For Ligambi:

RICO conspiracy - hung
Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business - hung
Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device business - not guilty
Obstruction of justice - not guilty

Hung on Borgesi's RICO conspiracy

3/5 correct. Suck it, Vito_Scaletta. tongue
Posted By: Vito_Scaletta

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 01:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Ted

For Ligambi:

RICO conspiracy - hung
Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business - hung
Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device business - not guilty
Obstruction of justice - not guilty

Hung on Borgesi's RICO conspiracy

3/5 correct. Suck it, Vito_Scaletta. tongue


No b/c they acquitted Borgesi Lol
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 02:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Ted

For Ligambi:
RICO conspiracy - hung
Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business - hung
Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device business - not guilty
Obstruction of justice - not guilty

Hung on Borgesi's RICO conspiracy

3/5 correct. Suck it, Vito_Scaletta. tongue


Vito's right, Teds not that sharp!!
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 02:14 AM

http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news/homepage/&id=241839001

Great article, I'm glad the bully govt didn't win, Borgesi and his family are in heaven tonite, prolly feels like a dream.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 02:17 AM

On twitter shratweiser says that there at his bros for a party and none of his best friends are aloud there? I don't get it, unless he has a couple months supervised release left, but none of them are on papers so I woulda figured it'd be OK to see him.
Posted By: tjonezee

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 02:33 AM

IMHO. Based on what was presented by the prosecution, I can't blame the jury for acquitting either of these guys. We have to take into account, that each jury member was chosen without any prior knowledge of the mob's inner-workings. Most of us here have a pretty decent background on both Borgesi and Ligambi's history. Any honest poster here knows they're guilty of everything they were charged with. If not, you're either a family member or a groupie. Either way, the case wasnt proven, so everyone can now move on. Should be interesting in south philly in the coming years!
Posted By: tjonezee

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 02:38 AM

And don't think for a minute that George is gonna fall into place quietly. There's a bunch of big wigs back on the street now, but not enough slices of pie to go around. Reports are that Uncle Joe and George made amends, but let's see if that relationship translates to the streets. And furthermore, how the other guys deal with that. Again, should be interesting.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
But just like when your at war and you kill the opposition, your not going to HELL considering both sides knew the stakes!!


Comparing these 'soldiers' to real soldiers is an insult.
This isn't war and these guys without exception, are scumbags.

If there was a hell, these guys are on the roster.
Turn off the Sopranos.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 03:14 AM

10/2 were in favour of acquittal for Ligambi.

Based on this the govt shouldn't retry. I wonder if there's recourse for Ligambi. Locked up 2 years (on NON VIOLENT charges) which are unproven and likely dismissed. I'd personaly be suing someone.

Bet Warrens per hourly rate just went up. His clients Licata and Borgesi the only two acquittals.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
But just like when your at war and you kill the opposition, your not going to HELL considering both sides knew the stakes!!


Comparing these 'soldiers' to real soldiers is an insult.
This isn't war and these guys without exception, are scumbags.
If there was a hell, these guys are on the roster.
Turn off the Sopranos.


Listen stroke Jew prick, all I meant by that is that if your living the street life you know the stakes.
Your either an uptight citizen that doesn't want to believe that there is a code each criminal should follow, or a cop that's got the jag off attitude 24/7, I would never give a true soldier an insult by comparing him to a Hustler off the street so don't twist what I meant...I'm not involved in crime because 90% of the guys on the street are rats and scumbags and I agree with you on that.
Go turn on A porno ya jerkoff lol
Posted By: Ted

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 03:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Vito_Scaletta
Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: Ted

For Ligambi:

RICO conspiracy - hung
Conspiracy to conduct an illegal gambling business - hung
Conducting an illegal electronic gambling device business - not guilty
Obstruction of justice - not guilty

Hung on Borgesi's RICO conspiracy

3/5 correct. Suck it, Vito_Scaletta. tongue


No b/c they acquitted Borgesi Lol

I was correct on Ligambi's Obstruction, RICO conspiracy and one gambling charge. I was incorrect about Ligambi's other gambling charge and Borgesi's conspiracy. Therefore 3/5.
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 03:45 AM

Man when you think about it a lot of Borgesi's friends testified against him going way back to his 1st trial Ralph Natale,Horeshead Scafidi,Roger Vella,now Aponick,Frankie the Fixer and Monacello.I wonder what he's thinking.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 04:11 AM

Georgie is looking big - saw him in court - thick and lats are big ... He's been hitting the weights. No one should mess with him face to face. Uncle joe is looking good too - lean and in good shape but Georgie can probably bench 300 pounds
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 04:41 AM

Georgie in good shape -
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:03 AM

I believe Georgie is the real deal and that's why so many guys flipped on him, they all were the happiest guys in the world hanging wit him when things were good and getting VIP treatment because of association but the minute indictments and consequences of the life were coming, they'd rather "point the finger at the bad guy" and blame and lie to get from underneath the problem.
If I was a cop my strategy would be when I get a pinch and the guy says "he's got info" I'm gonna tell him "fvck you, I don't wanna hear it", your going down for what you do. The guy your gonna tell on he will get caught on his own time so I ain't worried about it. What's it gonna create? All the fakes that wanna make a name for themselves are gonna think twice before they commit crimes, the crime rate would go down and the only people doing dirt are people that can handle the consequence.
The Govt. Bullies need to stop relying on Rats to rig the system. God don't like ugly.....
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:06 AM

Take your personal gripes to Private Messages.


@TJ
You're right.
There aren't enough capo/ admin jobs around in Philly to appease the amount of Merlino followers. Some long time earners are going to get passed over and they will not take it easily.
Let's hope the Ligambi mentality holds true and these guys can keep quiet and try another strategy than shooting their way to the top.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:16 AM

Won't be a problem, philly will expand and adapt
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:24 AM

Ligambi (if dismissed) will most likely (and should) catch the Florida retirement train.

Philly is too top heavy stacked. Too many chiefs not enough Indians.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:31 AM

@Sonny you're right imo.

@bigfella
Yeah, but we know how the US Attorney's Office plays ball:
"Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned."
US Attorney Han and his bosses are DEFINITELY women scorned.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:33 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankMazola
Take your personal gripes to Private Messages.


@TJ
You're right.
There aren't enough capo/ admin jobs around in Philly to appease the amount of Merlino followers. Some long time earners are going to get passed over and they will not take it easily.
Let's hope the Ligambi mentality holds true and these guys can keep quiet and try another strategy than shooting their way to the top.



Frank Mazola.,If the gripe line was for me I'm laughing, ask your girl for your balls back that she holds in her purse and say my name lollol,,my comment was related to 22s comment.
Lol then you wanna talk like you know what goes on in the street, stick to explaining "rulings"'and court talk, and BTW ya did a good job on your Jacobs post but do me a favor don't comment about the street when you don't know whizz about it.
@Tj
I think you guys forget who went to war for the top spot last, it was the merlino crew, Georgie gonna have that spot back real fast and easy. He's a guy that gets his hands dirty, has faced trials that amounted to life and another trial still being in the can 11+ That woulda kept him another 15.
Anastasia was saying there gonna flip him, NO that's just what they were hoping. FVCKIN mouthpiece for the FBI sneaky prick, anyways This guys got balls of steel from telling the DA he's a Fn punk to his face, then them articles came out by Bender and they made him look real bad but he was still spilling his thoughts and swearing and be didn't give a fvck, so therefore any real guy from the street admires and can't help but respect that, and Narducci is way outnumbered so he's joining there gang not the other way around, Scarfo crew is not coming back,,Merlino/Ligambi crew now run them streets.....
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:34 AM

At the philadium and no one here
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:50 AM

Jose… the comment was not intended for you, it was on another poster who can't keep his emotions (or anti-Semitic comments) in check.

I'm not a "street guy" but I come from family in North Jersey unions. They've dealt with Philly and stronger factions up North. I feel just at home in South Philly as I do in Center City. I didn't like this case. I'm no hanger on but not a yuppie either. I don't intend to not come off as such.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:57 AM

Only try and state facts guys and give everyone a look - if there's a problem I'll stop
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:58 AM

Ligambi is not going nowhere, he's untouchable and he knows it, if anyone goes to Florida it will be to oversee new rackets, merlino people's are lifers
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:12 AM

Originally Posted By: thebigfella
Ligambi is not going nowhere, he's untouchable and he knows it, if anyone goes to Florida it will be to oversee new rackets, merlino people's are lifers


Amen I been saying that along!!
Posted By: bobbyvegas

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:21 AM

You assh@les talked shit when i was the first one to say they both walk,after the partial verdict last week. Now let me tell you what happens.unc joe falls back. Merlino runs absolutely everything from boca.low-key, cause hes older now. They have a very tight crew. And unfortunately for mazzone, hes the lighting rod.
Posted By: Jose

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:27 AM

Ligambi is the new Teflon don
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:29 AM

Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
You assh@les talked shit when i was the first one to say they both walk,after the partial verdict last week. Now let me tell you what happens.unc joe falls back. Merlino runs absolutely everything from boca.low-key, cause hes older now. They have a very tight crew. And unfortunately for mazzone, hes the lighting rod.


Jaggof I been rooting for these guys since the beginning but yes I did think they were gonna get convicted based on reputation, I was very happy too see the Govt Bullies to lose on the bullshit case!!
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Jose
Ligambi is the new Teflon don


I don't know if you can say that, that's a very strong name to be passed down..
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:37 AM


Philly.com put up a couple pics of Borgesi and his wife Alyson after he was released.



Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:40 AM

My prediction of the administration now
Official Boss- Merlino
Street boss- Mazzone
Underboss- Ciancaglini
Consigliere- Joe Ligambi
Capos- Licata (north jersey) Narducci (philly) Lance/Borgesi (philly) ? (south philly)
Posted By: bobbyvegas

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:41 AM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
You assh@les talked shit when i was the first one to say they both walk,after the partial verdict last week. Now let me tell you what happens.unc joe falls back. Merlino runs absolutely everything from boca.low-key, cause hes older now. They have a very tight crew. And unfortunately for mazzone, hes the lighting rod.


Jaggof I been rooting for these guys since the beginning but yes I did think they were gonna get convicted based on reputation, I was very happy too see the Govt Bullies to lose on the bullshit case!!


Im i jagoff, no your a jagoff. Why dont you go jump an amtrak at union station to philly and give georgie boy and unc joe a bj.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 07:13 AM

Originally Posted By: thebigfella
merlino people's are lifers


Irony.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo

Philly.com put up a couple pics of Borgesi and his wife Alyson after he was released.





Aren't first dates sweet.
Ha.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 10:13 AM

Borgesi looks old as hell
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 11:05 AM

Your not kidding,maybe he has mellowed a bit
Posted By: HandsomeStevie

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 01:15 PM

sorry guys, tried to get some pictures last night but Anthony Borgesi smacked the phone out of my friends hand. LOL
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 01:16 PM

Gotta give the guy his due. George may be a prick but he's a standup guy. Did a long stretch...never rolled. Looking at another decent length stretch and again nada...never rolled...and beat the feds twice at trial.

Give him a little time to get his sea legs back and then watch out....George is back.
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 01:40 PM

Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
You assh@les talked shit when i was the first one to say they both walk,after the partial verdict last week. Now let me tell you what happens.unc joe falls back. Merlino runs absolutely everything from boca.low-key, cause hes older now. They have a very tight crew. And unfortunately for mazzone, hes the lighting rod.


Jaggof I been rooting for these guys since the beginning but yes I did think they were gonna get convicted based on reputation, I was very happy too see the Govt Bullies to lose on the bullshit case!!


Im i jagoff, no your a jagoff. Why dont you go jump an amtrak at union station to philly and give georgie boy and unc joe a bj.


How bout Miley you have your stripper mother and sister give me a bj, n matter a fact Might just invite the guys to run a train on them again!!!

You fa***t
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy

How bout Miley you have your stripper mother and sister give me a bj, n matter a fact Might just invite the guys to run a train on them again!!!
You fa***t


You okay princess? I'm worried about you. You posted some silly things and the boys gave you a little spanking.

Now there's no need to throw these tantrums. You'll be ok kid.
Hang in.
We're all rooting for you..
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 02:05 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy

How bout Miley you have your stripper mother and sister give me a bj, n matter a fact Might just invite the guys to run a train on them again!!!
You fa***t


You okay princess? I'm worried about you. You posted some silly things and the boys gave you a little spanking.

Now there's no need to throw these tantrums. You'll be ok kid.
Hang in.
We're all rooting for you..


What was silly that posted? I'm curious, in your boyfriend started wit me cAlling us assholes, so take it easy blackstein
Posted By: Southphilly4ever

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By: HandsomeStevie
sorry guys, tried to get some pictures last night but Anthony Borgesi smacked the phone out of my friends hand. LOL


Where was this at? Stoggie Joes? I wonder what George is going to think of the avenue now with all the yuppies.
Posted By: jmack

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 03:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo

Philly.com put up a couple pics of Borgesi and his wife Alyson after he was released.





Man he looks a lot like his Uncle in those pictures.
Posted By: FrankMazola

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 03:11 PM

Either those pics don't do him a justice or the posters who were saying "he looks great" are full of it. At 50, he looks older than my 64 year old Dad.
Posted By: carmela

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 03:16 PM

When did he start painting his eyebrows on? Lucky lady that gets to go home with that.
Posted By: bobbyvegas

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 04:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy

How bout Miley you have your stripper mother and sister give me a bj, n matter a fact Might just invite the guys to run a train on them again!!!
You fa***t


You okay princess? I'm worried about you. You posted some silly things and the boys gave you a little spanking.

Now there's no need to throw these tantrums. You'll be ok kid.
Hang in.
We're all rooting for you..


What was silly that posted? I'm curious, in your boyfriend started wit me cAlling us assholes, so take it easy blackstein


Whats silly, is your all over this thread kissing their ass. It gets old after awhile fukface
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 04:29 PM

Lol...Now we know why he was in jail for a long time, he did'nt want to be seen in public until he got his eye brows arched!
Posted By: SC

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 04:31 PM

Cut out the childish shit.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 04:56 PM

Well, like it or not fellows, when merlino, ligambi and mazzone gets tired of playing catch borgesi is ur new boss...just look at him, he looks like vito genovese for christsakes
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy

How bout Miley you have your stripper mother and sister give me a bj, n matter a fact Might just invite the guys to run a train on them again!!!
You fa***t


You okay princess? I'm worried about you. You posted some silly things and the boys gave you a little spanking.

Now there's no need to throw these tantrums. You'll be ok kid.
Hang in.
We're all rooting for you..


What was silly that posted? I'm curious, in your boyfriend started wit me cAlling us assholes, so take it easy blackstein


Whats silly, is your all over this thread kissing their ass. It gets old after awhile fukface


Nah it ain't kissing ass, your a govt cheerleader me I see something's that's wrong and I got behind the defense because I know what it's liked to have a trumped up charge that can possibly ruin your life, so u STFU.
Lol now BobbyVegas what r u Mikey's buddy? U fags stick together on here but would never on the street!!
Posted By: 22

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:00 PM

Yeah by the looks of it I doubt Georgie would have survived another 10-15 inside.I remember once Joey Merlino said the prison sort of preserves you but in his case I'm not sure.
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Originally Posted By: bobbyvegas
You assh@les talked shit when i was the first one to say they both walk,after the partial verdict last week. Now let me tell you what happens.unc joe falls back. Merlino runs absolutely everything from boca.low-key, cause hes older now. They have a very tight crew. And unfortunately for mazzone, hes the lighting rod.


Jaggof I been rooting for these guys since the beginning but yes I did think they were gonna get convicted based on reputation, I was very happy too see the Govt Bullies to lose on the bullshit case!!


Im i jagoff, no your a jagoff. Why dont you go jump an amtrak at union station to philly and give georgie boy and unc joe a bj.


Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy
Originally Posted By: Jose
Ligambi is the new Teflon don


I don't know if you can say that, that's a very strong name to be passed down..


Niceguy your the reporter for the inquirer right? Why do you have your location as Chicago?
Posted By: NinoSconza

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: carmela
When did he start painting his eyebrows on? Lucky lady that gets to go home with that.


Carmela what do you think of George's wife? It's hard to tell with the sunglasses on if she's hot plus shes all bundled up.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:14 PM

Inside borgesi is 10yrs old
Posted By: Nice_Guy

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:30 PM

Originally Posted By: 22
Yeah by the looks of it I doubt Georgie would have survived another 10-15 inside.I remember once Joey Merlino said the prison sort of preserves you but in his case I'm not sure.


The stress of not knowing if your gonna be stuck in there for another 15 prolly was killing him, after few months of good food I bet he'll look young Again, it does preserve them.

And fuck no am I a writer from enquirer, just a standup guy from Chicago that got caught up reading on this trial 3 yrs ago, what's the problem?
Posted By: TommyGambino

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 06:49 PM

Borgesi looks terrible. He looks about the same as as Ligambi lol. Borgesi will be back in jail within in a few years, he's a moron.
Posted By: thebigfella

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 07:42 PM

The years he spent locked up with uncle Joe may have done him some good, I wonder what message did uncle Joe send with borgesi to deliver to the rest of the guys
Posted By: Extortion

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 07:44 PM

Originally Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Originally Posted By: Nice_Guy

How bout Miley you have your stripper mother and sister give me a bj, n matter a fact Might just invite the guys to run a train on them again!!!
You fa***t


You okay princess? I'm worried about you. You posted some silly things and the boys gave you a little spanking.

Now there's no need to throw these tantrums. You'll be ok kid.
Hang in.
We're all rooting for you..


What a weird response/thing to say. "were all rooting for you..." Who is rooting for him? Is that supposed to be condescending?
Posted By: SC

Re: Philly Mob Retrial News - 01/25/14 07:48 PM

This thread has outlived its usefulness.
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