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Posted By: chico99

boston - 10/07/13 12:24 PM

Enrico Ponzo Racketeering trial starts today
Posted By: azguy

Re: boston - 10/07/13 03:44 PM

interesting, I wonder who's on the witness list.....

I wonder what kind of plea he was offered, if any...?

If I was him I would've taken 5 or 6 years if offered...
Posted By: mike68

Re: boston - 10/07/13 06:10 PM

I have to believe that they're going to hit this guy with as lengthy a sentence as possible.
Posted By: chico99

Re: boston - 10/07/13 09:06 PM

It said in today's Boston Globe that Ponzo's atty plans to call some of the guys he was Indicted with who are now out of prison, Bobby Carrozza, Anthony Ciampi, as well as Vincent gigi Portalla who is still in Federal Prison and will be according to the BOP inmate locator till 2027. He probably could have plead to something like 10 years had he not been superceded back in Feb with additional charges which ive read included conspiracy to distribute over a Ton of Marijuana as well as witness tampering and they found something like 100,000 in cash, 65,000 in gold coins, and 22 rifles and 8 handguns, and 34,000 rounds of ammo and identity fraud and some other charges in addition to conspiring to kill 14 rival members from Sallemme's crew and a couple counts of attempted murder. The case is like 20 years old though so who know's what's going to happen?
Posted By: southend

Re: boston - 10/08/13 12:31 PM

I remember when they caught Ponzo out in where was it? Staying with that family, had all those guns in his place
Posted By: azguy

Re: boston - 10/08/13 01:02 PM

Idaho, I think. He wasn't living with anyone, he had his own ranch like 30 acres and a common law wife and I think a kid or two....

The curious part is why any of his old pals would testify against him after all these years...It would be easy to say "I don't remember"
Posted By: Mick7

Re: boston - 10/08/13 02:13 PM


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Wanted Mobster Found Masquerading as a Cattle Rancher in Idaho
Oct. 7, 2013
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For more than a decade, Jeffrey John Shaw was seen as an eccentric man amongst his neighbors in the cattle community of Marsing, Idaho -- a rancher with a thick Boston accent trying to blend in by wearing bib overalls and a straw hat.

During his time as an Idaho rancher, the raven-haired, goateed man raised cows and two kids and became trusted enough to run the town's irrigation system, according to court records.

But in February 2011, as he was set to purchase hay for his 12-acre ranch, police swooped in and exposed the rancher as a wanted mobster on the lam for 17 years.

In a Boston federal courtroom today, the goatee was gone. So were the overalls. And a jury was picked for the trial for Shaw under his real name: Enrico Ponzo.

Ponzo, prosecutors said, was no cattle rancher. In fact, he is suspected, according to federal charges, of slaughtering men rather than cows as a feared Mafia enforcer for the powerful Patriarca Crime Family, which in the 1990s, ran all of the New England rackets from Hanover Street in Boston to Atwells Avenue in Providence.

Prosecutors said Ponzo was part of a particularly violent faction desperate to oust the family's bosses to take control of the family and was willing to commit murder in order to win that bloody internecine struggle for power.

"Defendant Enrico M. Ponzo and his co-conspirators utilized violence and the threat of violence to further their aims, and committed murders and attempted murders to remove competitors and avenge acts committed by their rivals," prosecutors said in court records.

Ponzo had been missing since 1994, just after his crime family rivals took out a contract hit on his life and missed, authorities said, shooting instead an innocent victim, Michael Romano, as he changed a tire at a Kentucky Fried Chicken outside of Boston. After that, Ponzo vanished.

In 1997, Ponzo was listed alongside 14 other mob associates as part of a sweeping federal indictment charging them with a plethora of murders -- including the shooting of Frances "Cadillac Frank" Salemme.

It was one of the most storied hit attempts in Boston history. Salemme was ambushed and shot as he left a pancake house on Route 1 in Saugus but survived and eventually became the New England crime family boss.

Among the witnesses for the government, according to court records, are Michael Romano Sr. -- whose son was shot in a case of mistaken identity by the hitmen gunning for Ponzo -- and Mark Rossetti, who was unmasked as a longtime FBI informant during his state trial on drug and racketeering charges last year.

Rossetti is suspected of killing the younger Romano while working as an FBI informant, authorities said. After the Romano hit in 1994, his sidekick David Clark shot and killed Massachusetts State Trooper Mark Charbonnier, according to South Boston Congressman Stephen Lynch and state prosecutors. The Rossetti case led Lynch to file federal legislation for the FBI to change the way it handles FBI informants.

The Ponzo trial comes just months after the trial of James "Whitey" Bulger, the notorious Boston wiseguy who worked alongside the FBI to take down members of the Patriarca family -- some of whom are expected to testify in this trial.
Posted By: mike68

Re: boston - 10/08/13 03:31 PM

I thought Michael Romano Sr. was still in jail? Interesting that he has agreed to testify.
Posted By: chico99

Re: boston - 10/08/13 05:23 PM

Mike Romano is still in prison he gets out in about 2 years or so bop web site has him at ft dix NJ.
Posted By: pmac

Re: boston - 10/08/13 07:06 PM

seems like ponzo calling all these guys as witneses. romano and all these guys are gonna plead the 5th. why roseeti gonna do anything the feds screwed him and he's doing 12yrs in state prison the feds cant help that. romano is suing the fbi for his sons murder by rosetti. ponzo just pulling the fbi whitey bulger card. fbi+informants running a mock.
Posted By: mike68

Re: boston - 10/08/13 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
seems like ponzo calling all these guys as witneses. romano and all these guys are gonna plead the 5th. why roseeti gonna do anything the feds screwed him and he's doing 12yrs in state prison the feds cant help that. romano is suing the fbi for his sons murder by rosetti. ponzo just pulling the fbi whitey bulger card. fbi+informants running a mock.


Wrong, the article states that the government are calling Romano and Rossetti, not Ponzo.
Posted By: mike68

Re: boston - 10/08/13 08:30 PM

Quote:
Rossetti is suspected of killing the younger Romano while working as an FBI informant, authorities said. After the Romano hit in 1994, his sidekick David Clark shot and killed Massachusetts State Trooper Mark Charbonnier, according to South Boston Congressman Stephen Lynch and state prosecutors. The Rossetti case led Lynch to file federal legislation for the FBI to change the way it handles FBI informants.


This part is interesting because Romano Sr. killed a guy in East Boston in broad daylight I think (Maverick Sq?), Joe Souza, who he suspected of being the shooter in his sons mistaken identity hit, with Clark being the driver. This is the first I've heard that Rossetti could have been the triggerman? Wouldn't be surprised to hear that he ordered it though.
Posted By: pmac

Re: boston - 10/08/13 11:35 PM

I remember reading a article couple months ago Michael romano sn. is suing the boston fbi for 100million dollars in a wrongfull death lawsuit of his sons murder at the hands of rossetti. why would the guy take the stand for the government when he plead guilty 20yrs ago and getting out soon.
Posted By: mike68

Re: boston - 10/16/13 01:25 PM

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/10/...wQgJ/story.html

Interesting, here is a name that has been mentioned before in the Boston threads. Apparently Charles Lightbody punched out a pro-casino advocate in Revere at a rally and is being charged for it.
Posted By: mike68

Re: boston - 10/17/13 08:45 PM

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/10/...Ni6J/story.html

Some more sentencing for Rossetti associates. Has Michael Prochilo been sentenced yet?
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: boston - 10/18/13 01:58 PM

Rossetti was and is a piece of shit
Posted By: RRB92080

Re: boston - 10/20/13 01:19 PM

That's interesting about Charlie Lightbody. He pretty well connected. I just read the article about him punching the guy. He is anti casino in revere because he owns a piece of property on rt 99 in Everett. So he is pushing hard for the casino to go there. Funny story though. Typical Revere lol
Posted By: pmac

Re: boston - 10/31/13 06:27 PM

anyone heard or read whats going on in this guys trial. its probably in its 3rd week the globe and herald havnt coverd it, wondering if rossetti takes the stand for the defense. telling how him and his crew were looking to kill ponzo well he was working as a fbi mole. and if gigi and the rest take the stand.
Posted By: Barbara1957

Re: boston - 10/31/13 07:05 PM

This Ponzo guy was a nobody and in typical fashion, Boston is making this the trial of the century
Posted By: chico99

Re: boston - 11/02/13 02:10 PM

The trial has had a couple of off days last week, no court on mon tue or wed, thurs and fri they were there, and monday no court again, as far as rosetti and all the others testifying haven't heard anything, the globe covers it periodically as does the herald.
Posted By: RomanNE

Re: boston - 11/21/13 03:28 PM

FBI investigates revere casino deal
Posted By: RomanNE

Re: boston - 11/21/13 03:29 PM

excuse me, that everett, not revere.
Posted By: mike68

Re: boston - 11/21/13 05:14 PM

Quote:
Two years later, Lightbody was named in a 39-count indictment in New York that accused nine men of stealing people’s identities by posing as employees of the Department of Homeland Security. Using the personal information they collected from unsuspecting people they telephoned, they bought goods worth more than $1 million, authorities said.

When police arrested Lightbody at his 6,000-square-foot Revere home, the house was so full of allegedly stolen merchandise — including plasma TVs, designer handbags, cameras, and jewelry — they had to rent a tractor-trailer to haul the loot away, according to news coverage at the time. Lightbody eventually pleaded guilty, though he claimed much of the merchandise taken from his home was not stolen. He was ordered to pay $16,000 in fines and sentenced to three years’ probation.


This made me laugh...I swear they're not mine!
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: boston - 11/21/13 06:02 PM

Agreed 100%, as Boston has a tendency to do that. I still contend that Whitey Bulger was a character made into a national spotlight for one reason: He had a few crooked FBI agents on his payroll, namely John Connolly from the old neighborhood...In the grand scheme of things, Whitey ran South Boston...nothing more and actually supplied drugs to the neighborhood, far from the Robin Hood reputation he acquired from some of the old Southie residents. Do I believe he helped people in his neighborhood, sure...but he did more harm than good to his own people. If the media didn't get a hold on the FBI agents in question, the story doesn't become national headlines and certainly doesn't warrant a dozen books and movies...but hey, we live in America and this isn't the first time its happened, and certainly won't be the last!
Posted By: Ville

Re: boston - 11/22/13 06:05 AM

In the grand scheme of things, whitey just ran South Boston. That has to be one of the dumbsest statements I've ever heard. He ran everything, the Italians would not dare fuck with him. He ruled Greater Boston all the way to the north and south shore and was extorting companies for millions as far as Connecticut. You definitely don't know your shit when it comes to the Irish and Whitey. He ran everything and was more powerful and feared than any Italian with the North End. Come on buddy him and Stevie didn't make close to 50 million each with just running South Boston. They were the leading organized crime group from the the early 80 to 95 when they were indicted. Come on bud you say your an organized crime buff and you say that about Whitey. You definitely don't know your facts when it has to do with Winter Hill and Whitey. Your a 100%wrong with that post you just made JCB.
Posted By: Ville

Re: boston - 11/22/13 06:31 AM

And if Whitey ran South Boston and nothing more? Then how come the Italians never had the balls to whack him and stevie. Whitey was a powerhouse and controlled more operations than the North End. Hellers Cafe and what was going on there is a prime example of whiteys influence, all the bookies paid whitey, theres is testimony that proves that. There were only a few bookies still paying the Italians when that situation was going on. They all paid Whitey and just a few paid the North End, that right there explains alot about whiteys power and influence in Boston and the surounding areas. I can give you facts for days that contradicts the statement you made of Whitey running Southie and nothing more.
Posted By: southend

Re: boston - 11/22/13 02:19 PM

Southie actually became almost secondary to Whitey over the years as he had so much other business going on elsewhere, he even got tired of divvying up his spoils with his southie crew from scores they had no part in. i'm not talking outta my ass, this is from johnny martorano's book
Posted By: NightOwl

Re: boston - 11/22/13 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: southend
Southie actually became almost secondary to Whitey over the years as he had so much other business going on elsewhere, he even got tired of divvying up his spoils with his southie crew from scores they had no part in. i'm not talking outta my ass, this is from johnny martorano's book


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Posted By: Extortion

Re: boston - 11/22/13 03:14 PM

Ponzo has a pretty big weiner.
Posted By: NightOwl

Re: boston - 11/22/13 03:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Extortion
Ponzo has a pretty big weiner.


Ya you got any pic's I heard he's got a pretty big cock
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: boston - 11/22/13 05:12 PM

I hear you Ville, and as I said, it is my "contention." I don't completely take what Martorano says as gospel. I do NOT believe that he had more power than Raymond Patriarca Sr., as Patriarca had a much larger network of criminals at his disposal as well as support from many other mafia bosses. If Patriarca saw a need to whack Whitey...he wouldn't have hesitated. From the Angiulo bust and through the 1990's, LCN was a mess in New England, so I could see where Whitey's clout increased. Patriarca died in 1984, and when he was in charge, Providence always had the stronger faction and Patriarca's crimes extended all the way to Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut. You are correct, my knowledge of the Irish and Winter Hill isn't as well versed...but there has always been two schools of thought in the reality of Whitey's Winter Hill Gang and how much power they really had...some people have contended his power was throughout Southie and others contend it was more expansive. I will say that I truly believe that the Irish in Boston were stronger than anywhere in the country. Mickey Spillane in NY may have rivaled Whitey in terms of wealth and power for a 20 year period, but only because he had the full support of Fat Tony Salerno...until the Javitt Center was built and Spillane refused to share with the Italians.
Posted By: meffaboston

Re: boston - 11/22/13 05:43 PM

Ville I feel your a whitey fan boy,this guy is a loser that pumped dope in his own backyard the only reason be was ever successful is because he was ratted out his competition.. think about it he had the FBI on his side,,you actually think he had more pull than Anguilo or zannino no fucking way...
Posted By: meffaboston

Re: boston - 11/22/13 05:47 PM

Whitey bulged a crime lord??? Not at all the papers and news glorify him to sell papers and get ratings... Yes he made tons of money and had a solid crew of killers but he was no real mobster he was an informant that snitched on everyone,,think about for crist sakes he was a rat....
Posted By: Extortion

Re: boston - 11/22/13 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: meffaboston
Whitey bulged a crime lord??? Not at all the papers and news glorify him to sell papers and get ratings... Yes he made tons of money and had a solid crew of killers but he was no real mobster he was an informant that snitched on everyone,,think about for crist sakes he was a rat....


Joe Massino was a crime boss and he snitched. Doesnt change the fact he was a mobster, genius.
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: boston - 11/22/13 07:34 PM

That has been my contention...that if it wasn't for a "high profile" corruption case against John Connolly and company, the media wouldn't have been as fascinated with the Bulger story as they have been. I may be wrong because my knowledge of the Winter Hill Gang is average at best, the "few" books I've read have left me with "mixed reviews" on how strong Whitey truly was. He played both sides of the fence long enough not to be bothered by the Feds and was allowed to earn, but in no way, shape or form would I ever believe he was stronger than Raymond Patriarca Sr.

I'm from Ohio originally, and Danny Greene was the big Irishman in Cleveland and he made a lot of money running the North Collinwood neighborhood rackets in Cleveland and through the International Longshoremen's Union. He was a tough son of a bitch and tried to take on the Cleveland mafia...until that car full of explosives pulled up next to his green Cadillac..once he came out of the dentist's office, BOOM! My point is that if Patriarca wanted him dead or had a need to kill him, he would have been dead. If Whitey waged an all out war against the Mafia, he would have lost...outgunned, outmanned, pure and simple. But Whitey worked with the Italians in "some capacity" which worked to his advantage.
Posted By: Ville

Re: boston - 11/23/13 04:10 AM

Im a fan boy Mr. Meffa, whatever the fuck that is? Your the the fanboy pal. Yea i mentioned stuff in a book in my post, but everything you know is from a book. You have no clue about the real shit. Yes whitey is a rat, got no respect for the guy, but there's no denying he was a criminal genius. So many other top criminals have done the samething he did. But yes he was most powerful during his reign, even more than any Italian. Why did Frank Salemme, the boss of the Italians team up with Whitey and Stevie. Cause he knew where the power was and he was and old friend of stevie too. You meffa had no idea about the past and the scope of the whole set up around here. JCB, Ray Srs time and whiteys were 2 different riegns of power. Buddy Mclean was the Irish power and was pretty much seen as an equal to Ray Sr and Ray loved and repsected him more than the Italians up here. His reputation and respect went as far as New York. If all thr Irish crews back then consolidated they would have wiped the Italians out. would have had much more man power and New York would never have been able to stop that. Winter Hill wasn't just Irish, there were Italians and portugués. And they were far more killers then the Italians. Buddy Mclean and Howie Winter once took a ride down federal hill to settle a beef and when the old man and Buddy greeted eachother, Ray said i thought i was gonna see a 100 paddy running down the hill with carbines. And thats a true story. And meffa yea anguilo was powerful, but was no where as respected as Buddy Mclean and Howie Winter who were really more powerful. Anguilo was getting the shit kicked out himself when Buddy was making his reputation and forming the original winter hill gang. And a side note Howie Querer was one of the most respected mobsters in New England during his the top Italian bosses, Russel Bufalino being one of them. Meffa ask around bud and try to know some actual real life shit, cause kid u have never experienced this kind of life, and its a good thing u havent, but dont be a smart mouth when shooting off.
Posted By: Ville

Re: boston - 11/23/13 04:16 AM

That side not was supposed to say Howie Winter was one of the most repescted mobsters in New England by the top bosses. Russel Bufalino being one of his dear friends.
Posted By: artichoke

Re: boston - 11/23/13 02:01 PM

Pariarca true friend was Howie Winter Ray had all the respect in the world for him. they were friends I don't believe he ever bothered with Whitey He would deal with Howie. I would like to note anybody could be a tough guy with 30 years of fbi protection. Whitey and Stevie are Rats accept it. You are not a tough guy if you use the feds to fight your battles and get rid of your enemies.
Posted By: southend

Re: boston - 11/23/13 02:40 PM

I really can't see Whitey being more powerful than Ray Sr., it just doesn't add up for Whitey when you consider the countless resources Patriarca had at his disposal, with many capos and soldiers under him who also had theyr own contacts and resources and whatnot. Bulger had a lot of capable guys too, but Ray had a seat on the Commission. His primary power was the fact he could send the feds knockin on your door. Not that I'm intentionally agreeing with them two other clowns its just facts
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: boston - 11/23/13 04:55 PM

We actually agree on something. Thanks for calling me a clown instead of an asshole.

I hear what you are saying Ville about Salemme working "with" Whitey, but let's face the facts...When Patriarca died in 1984 the Family had considerable internal trouble with the Providence and Boston factions and once Angiulo went to prison in 1986, a power struggle occurred. Even when Salemme took over, his reign was not a peaceful one and was marked with that "film crew" sting operation that he got caught up in. He was close to Steven Flemmi for years so of course he forged an alliance with Bulger and company. Russo should have been made boss, but he wasn't. It wasn't until Baby Shacks took over that the Patriarca Family "regained" their dominance in the rackets, and by that time, Whitey was on the run.

But to say that Bulger had more control than the Italians is way off based on the facts. Did he make a boat load of money, sure...but the Mafia had a much larger Army than Whitey's guys and if the old man Patriarca "saw a need or had his power threatened" by Whitey Bulger, Whitey would have been buried in cement shoes. Whitey was in his prime once Patriarca died and he took advantage of the internal problems the mafia was having, but his control was NOT as expansive as the Italians, never was, never will be.
Posted By: revereguy45

Re: boston - 11/23/13 07:32 PM

Mattarese brothers joseph and paul are the made guys heard the where big players
Posted By: Ville

Re: boston - 11/23/13 09:35 PM

Never said whitey was more powerful than Ray Sr. Like i said before thats 2 different periods of power. During Rays time, Whitey wasnt even a factor, Buddy and Howie were the ones who dealt with Ray Sr. During Whiteys time he was the most powerful, the North End was in shambles during whiteys reign. Obviously Ray had a farther reach during his time cause thats when the Italians had the political clout, which the Irish in Boston also had. Boston isnt New York, the Italians did not rule with an iron fist up here. Take the time Howie and Winter Hill beat Castucci for money on bets and Castucci called in the Gambinos to intervene and get the money back. But the Hill told the Gambinos to Go fuck themselves, they arent getting the money and the Gambinos didnt do a thing about it. The Hill told them to come by Marshal Motors if they wanted their money. My main point is Whitey wasnt a factor when Raya Sr was in power and the Hill was just as big as the Italians at times.
Posted By: Ville

Re: boston - 11/23/13 09:40 PM

And your going on book facts and common knowledge of the Italians. Im going on how it really was around here, told by the people actually involved.
Posted By: meffaboston

Re: boston - 11/24/13 02:52 PM

Ville your obviously from somerville I understand what your saying but u gutta here what I'm saying to..whitey was powerful but powerful because of the feds
Posted By: revereguy45

Re: boston - 11/24/13 06:00 PM

Who are the big players in east boston now anyone now??
Posted By: pmac

Re: boston - 11/24/13 08:13 PM

ray sr had whole crews of guys for his 30yrs reighn in worcester springfield northern ct lower ct revere eastie Brockton the whole state of rhode island. who the hell thinks whitey had that power. he call for you you drove a hour down to federal hill its documented in all the fbi papers, whitey was scared they wack him that's why he teamed with the fbi. pretty sure john martorano dad was a made guy. larry b said the hill is us. remember the bookies got caught on tape saying steve n whitey could nt hold vinny the animals jock strap. Vinnie would go to work for you. shit there picture of all the mob guys, a young vinny strolling threw whitey garage in 1980.
Posted By: pmac

Re: boston - 11/24/13 08:16 PM

I really thing whitey would have jumped at being made if he ws Italian. he wore the pinky ring dressed the part. he was friends anuff with jr russo to tem he up with winter hill. I think whitey highly respected the mafia. did he ever say anything bad about them, we now flemmi had a chip against them cause they beat him up in the 60tys. look at all the hits they did for the mafia.
Posted By: sittite

Re: boston - 11/24/13 11:51 PM

Spucky runs revere, Charlie Lightbody is no joke. Bobby C has eastie and fat boy is holding Medford warm until Carmen decides what to do.
Posted By: mike68

Re: boston - 11/25/13 01:18 AM

Originally Posted By: sittite
Spucky runs revere, Charlie Lightbody is no joke. Bobby C has eastie and fat boy is holding Medford warm until Carmen decides what to do.


So where do BA and GG fall in this?
Posted By: southend

Re: boston - 11/25/13 02:35 PM

Anybody see the first half of 60 minutes last night? Interviewed the fed that slapped the cuffs on Whitey. When he told him to put his hands up and get on his knees Whitey threw em up but responded with "I ain't getting down on my fuckin knees." The look on his face in the arrest photo is priceless, with his white brimmed hat on. A lady standing off to the side said to the agent "That old man has dimensia he may not know what your saying" or something like that. Now the fed says he's thinking here's some crazy old man telling me he's Bulger next he's gonna tell me he's Elvis but Whitey said "Don't listen to her she's fuckin crazy, I'm James Bulger". The agent told 60 mi that Whitey had told some of the feds handling his arrest/booking process that after about 15 years on the run he began finding it difficult to keep up his cunning criminal mindset after so many years blending in with society and acting like a regular senior citizen. 20-30 or so years ago the ruse the feds used to lure Bulger down to the parking garage where they took him into custody would never have fooled him and he would immediately have known something was up, Bulger says.
Besides that one last tiny little mistake (getting caught),I have to say in terms of criminal genius, Bulger was it.
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: boston - 11/25/13 02:47 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
I really thing whitey would have jumped at being made if he ws Italian. he wore the pinky ring dressed the part. he was friends anuff with jr russo to tem he up with winter hill. I think whitey highly respected the mafia. did he ever say anything bad about them, we now flemmi had a chip against them cause they beat him up in the 60tys. look at all the hits they did for the mafia.

Idk about that. In red Shea's book he mentions how Whitey constantly belittled the north end and told red the only one he respected was Larry Zannino.
Posted By: Dwalin2011

Re: boston - 11/25/13 02:51 PM

Maybe I'm too used to stereotypes, but I think a real crime boss doesn't do hits himself after he has become boss. Bulger continued to kill people himself until the end. He was good at protecting himself by the corrupt FBI though.
Posted By: SilentPartnerz

Re: boston - 11/25/13 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
ray sr had whole crews of guys for his 30yrs reighn in worcester springfield northern ct lower ct revere eastie Brockton the whole state of rhode island. who the hell thinks whitey had that power. he call for you you drove a hour down to federal hill its documented in all the fbi papers, whitey was scared they wack him that's why he teamed with the fbi. pretty sure john martorano dad was a made guy. larry b said the hill is us. remember the bookies got caught on tape saying steve n whitey could nt hold vinny the animals jock strap. Vinnie would go to work for you. shit there picture of all the mob guys, a young vinny strolling threw whitey garage in 1980.


As pmac stated, when Ray, Sr. was sitting in Coin-O-Matic on Atwells Ave., he ran ALL of New England...period. Anyone says or thinks otherwise is wrong. Once Ray Sr. died, power began to shift/fade away from the Patriarca Family. No way Whitey was more powerfull that Ray Sr. and his Family. My 2 cents.
Posted By: BigRed

Re: boston - 11/26/13 02:28 AM

Howie Winter used to pay a street tax to Gerry Angiulo and Providence of 20,000 weekly. That's alot of money and says all there is to say about the relative power during his and Ray Sr's reigns.

Also, didn't Gerry Angiulo use dirty cops to set up his rivals for arrest? That's ratting too.
Posted By: Ville

Re: boston - 11/26/13 08:25 AM

Howie did not pay 20gs weekly. Thats just not true, they shared some rackets and divided it up between the 2 groups.
Posted By: southend

Re: boston - 11/26/13 01:45 PM

Well Ville said he's referring to Whitey's and Ray Sr.'s power in terms of two different periods of time: Ray's day, and Whitey's day. Like Ville said and is true while Ray Patriarca Sr. ruled New England with an iron fist Whitey,though still relatively well known in both circles,was still making his bones earning his reputation under Howie. Still even comparing the two, Ray Patriarca held more power during his reign at the top than Whitey did during his own. That's my opinion but Im pretty sure its a fact
Posted By: Extortion

Re: boston - 11/26/13 02:12 PM

It is a fact, Anguilo was under Ray and Anguilo made millions. Ray had the power to contact the Genovese family as well. Not to mention had much more men at his disposal than Whitey...

Was this seriously a question? Lol
Posted By: BigRed

Re: boston - 11/26/13 09:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Ville
Howie did not pay 20gs weekly. Thats just not true, they shared some rackets and divided it up between the 2 groups.


A couple different sources contradict that.

http://books.google.com/books?id=jsIEDH_...ter&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=RlKzNMT...ter&f=false

Of course you are a local boy and I'm from Philadelphia so I don't have personal knowledge. But I've seen this said before and from more than just these two sources. Just raising the possibility.
Posted By: Ville

Re: boston - 11/27/13 05:25 AM

Thats my whole logic on this discussion, book and internet facts. Thats what everyone is giving on here, im trying to fill you guys in on how it really was around here. Book facts dont mean shit in my eyes. I could tell you guys things that never appear in books, but im not gonna go there. Little fact about Whitey, he was a bully towards women, Howie never liked him,personally, he felt you couldnt joke with Whitey, took shit way to serious. He use to wash the cars at Marshal Motors when he first came around Somerville. And you could say Joe Macdonald started the original Winter Hill crew, with Buddy Mclean coming up under Joe, and Howie under Buddy. Sal Sperlinga dealt with the Italians alot of the time when issuses came up.
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