A farewell meeting recorded by local police....

Here is a small article in this magazine that I was subscribing to that's about IA history. At times they discuss organized crime. It's about a meeting that took place with members of the KC crime family of LCN.

A Meeting To Say Farewell by Joseph Zappala of Amici

A meeting was held on January 15, 2012, between some of the remaining members of the Kansas City crime family. They met at an Italian restaurant in Kansas City called "Garozzo's Restaurant." The men in attendance were John Sciortino, the boss, Peter Simone, the underboss, and William Cammisano, Jr., a capo in the crime family. These men were recorded by the Organized Crime Unit of the Kansas City Police Department, after keeping tabs on Simone's illegal activities. The cops were surprised to hear these men calling it quits after ruling organized crime in The City of Fountains for decades. They decided to put an end to their organization. These mobsters are three of the remaining made members left in the Kansas City area, there are ten made members in total.

Weres the rest of the article who was.saying farewell. Did they saying they were closeing the family goin defuct. Alot of posters gonna be upset.

That's all the article says pmac. It's in a magazine that i subscribed to. I'm upset myself that the writer didn't go into more detail of this.

Still interesting stuff.

Maybe these guys were smart enough to know they were being recorded and threw out a little misinformation.

Boy, that's recent an very interesting...

I'm sure its one Ivy would love to comment on. Looking forward to hear his views.

Is it a fake article cant find it on google, its not in the archives here. Probaly fake cant you copy in paste. It sounds right in my head 10guys.

Pmac, you would have to buy the January 2012 issue of this magazine. Not sure if It's online or not. But this writer does write about OC a lot. He might have a blog with his stuff. Really doubt he would make it all up. Hope that helps.

Cool you think I could borrow a copy.

I don't know, the more I check it out,the more it sounds fishy. I've heard of Mob guys being recorded in their houses,cars,social clubs,etc, but how do the cops get a warrant to record in a public place? Unless one of the guys has flipped and is wearing a wire,how would they know where to put a bug? Garozzo's is a pretty popular restaurant,so how do they avoid recording conversations by the other diners in the place?

In order to pull this off,the cops have to know ahead of time who is going to be there,the time of arrival,and the table that they would be sitting at.Then they have to convince a Judge that there is enough probable cause,supported by oath or affidavit, to let them place the bug,then they have to get in and out before the meeting to plant the device.

Of course it is possible that the meeting was held when the restaurant was closed,which might make a difference.So I'll reserve judgement until more info comes forward,but for now,I don't know about this one.

You do make a great point, when bringing up the noise, although it depends on the times they were there, and knowing how great business owners treat known mobsters I wouldn't be surprised if these 3 guys had their own table away from other customers, which would have made it easy to hear what was being said.

Like Ivy and Hairy has been saying for the past few years now, there is not a viable family in KC anymore. It's over for them, so I think this definitely could have been real. Will take a picture of the article and attach it soon.

When I referred to recording the other diners in the restaurant,I was looking at it from a legal standpoint. If the bug picked up conversations from innocent patrons,the cops could be in a world of trouble for various civil and constitutional rights violations. I look forward to the article,I think it would be a cool read.

Remember Whitey Bulger saying how great a job the staties were doing because he knew they were listening... Who knows though? Certainly not me.

Sounds like another "frank cali is the boss" bullshit story. Some dick head reporter who takes a guess at something that may or may not happen.

Bugs get placed in restaurants all the time. Rigolettos, Goodfellas SI, Curves, Raos, joes on ave u, aldos.... Could go on and on.....

Even if you take face value, it's only three memberz "quitting", they might be Boss, UB and the capo and can dissolve their own organization. Could they have the authority to stop the other seven members from continuing their activities under their own cosa nostra structure if they really wanted too?

This report came only a year after Cammisano got busted for running a huge book along with his son.

Has KC still answered to Chicago since Operation Strawman went down and Anthony Cavilla died in 2006? What kind of say would Chicago have about KC closing up shop?

Sorry but this is total bullshit, Willie Cammisano jr. was in prison in 2011, released early 2012. Willie Cammisano died in 1994.

Chicago has no say over KC, After strawman William Cammisano sr. acting boss broke away from Chicago who was happy to let them go.

KC does not have an OC department, it has an itellegence department which used to work with the FBI. But Italian Organized crime is not the priority, with the influx of MS13, crips, Bloods and the mexican cartels and they are not putting resources into surveilling "family" members as they deem these other organizations as more pressing concerns.

There are 22 made members remaning in KC including retired and inprisoned members.


John Scirtino
Peter Simone
William Cammisano Jr.
James Moretina
Vincent Civella
Angello Porello (in prison)
John Calia (in prison)
Vincent Piciotta (in prison)
John Mandacina (in prison)
Paul Varsalona (retired)
Anthony Simone
Nick Labruzza
Paul Silvio
Pete Ribaste
Jerry Cammisano
Pete Tamburello (retired)
John Glorioso
Carlo Cavillaro
Nat Brancato (retired)
Ben Palmentere
John Termini
Frank Deluna (retired)

Fbi in boston had a whole chinese restaurant in east boston. Limone baby shacks apointing anthony d as acting boss wonder.how a judge rules on that warrant .

Hi Joey Dice, actually the writer was talking about Cammisano's son, not him. Willie Cammisano, Jr. You're right, the dad died quite a few years back. Are you sure there's as many members as you say?

You know I dont know where the 10 members number came from but its far from accurate. Yes I am sure, from trial transcripts, Owsleys books (FBI KC strike force Lead agent)these men are made and still alive. My Uncle is Paul Varsalona. At the time of their heyday 70's many of these guys were in their mid 30's. Moretina and Cammisano brothers were in late 20's. Its just been in the last 7 years or so that many of the old school guys have died like Jimmie Duardi, Charlie Cacioppo, Tuffy Deluna, Ralph Siragusa, Frankie Tousa, Johnny Costanza, Vinnie Picone (car accident) and Baldizar Palmentere. But many are still alive and kicking, some active, some not, some in prison.

One final thing to consider, even if Cammisano Jr had been at a meeting he was on paper and would have been violated and returned to prison, he has not been. I would think meeting with two other confirmed members of organized crime would be a violation of his supervised release.

Ivy League and Hairy Knuckles don't buy that there's that many made guys in KC today and I'm not sure there is either. Nice information anyhow.

Well do a little reading, trial transcripts, mobsters in our midst, open city, Blackhand strawman, Mary Ferrel. But hey believe what you want LOL.

This should be added to the DeMarco's and Farinacci's archives, in the BULL* folder.

KC is DEAD!

Not structured yes. But definitely not dead.

Tony Pro has a great point. The rest of them still will be involved in crime together, but as far as a family of La Cosa Nostra they are done.

Dice, you live in KC, so if I lived near there I'd go to the restaurant and ask them about it. Worth a try for sure.

My opinion (or you could say the FBI's opinion) on what's left of the mob in Kansas City is well known by this point.



Define huge. The operation reportedly took in about $3.6 million in bets over 3 years.

defunct at the very least...over on RD, there is a poster who is the forum's most educated on KC...He's provided quite a bit of intel. Similar to Pittsburgh, no structure, hierarchy...but illegal gambling by former associates and the last made guy left is still going on...hell, its still going on in Cleveland and Youngstown. I'd say every city that had a mafia family that is no defunct, still has illegal gambling going on.

Everyone does illegal gambling. Hell a guy I know at work runs parley cards on our yard, makes bank because everyone thinks they will hit a ten game!

Kc can be dead or not, that's not the argument here, but this article is a De Marco.

First of all I was never making the argument that their is a viable family, just stated the number of made guys still around. As I said some are in prison for life, some are very old and some are active and some are very active. The other point I was making was that this recording is bullshit.

What name does he go by?

LOL, if I thought it was worth looking into I know some people I could talk too but I just find it too unbelieveable. Johnny Joe has been in Pheonix since his wife died, Cammisano was either in prison or more likely on paper yet he has not been violated, lastely Garrozo's would not be where they would have this meeting. They would have had it either at Anthony's or Woodswhether dinner.

they didn't break away, chicago didn't wanna fuck with them anymore

kansas city would probably be in better shape if they didn't fuck up in vegas

Could you explain a little more about the bug in Joe's of Ave. U?? I been going there since I was a kid & never heard anything about that..thanks

LOL not trying to insult Chicago. But as for fucking up in Vegas, I think Chicago has a lot to do with that, had they sent someone out there who could have exisisted without bringing LE attention to everything, you know someone other than Spilotro, Lefty was Chicago's choice, Civella wanted to kill him. Yes the investigation into Vegas was the retult of a wire tap in KC which was placed during the investigation into a murder, and yes Deluna fucked up with his records which he should have destroyed, but They arnt soley to blame for the Vegas debachle

Garozzo's … hah!! Sounds like the OP googled "Italian Restaurants in Kansas City" and picked No. 1 on the menu. Not the kind of place these guys dine. They give you a free meal on your birthday for Chris'sakes.

I know right, Old man Garozzo's was a semi connected guy, but Mike LOL, no even close. No, if there was a meeting it would not have been there, it would have been the Caddy Shack, Anthony's, or Woodweathers on Antioc, Tony Civella Jr.s place. They used to meet up stairs at Chubbys, but Labruzzo sold it about a year ago or maybe the Red front bar, Mandacina's place.

thank you for clearing that up sir because once you enter the life no getting out, I don't care what no body says I will always believe that.

hey guess what... William Cammisano Jr has a facebook believe look him up.