New boston leadership?..

Who is gonna set up now that mark is gone? I need a new job hahaha

I wouldn't be surprised to see Billy make a move.

That's the funniest thing I have ever heard, lol...

So was having a dopehead-junkie-informant as official Caporegime, by Billy you mean Angelesco right?

You left out homicidal maniac. They would have that in common.

The DiNunzio boys will be boss and UB when they get out. Cheese is out in what 2 years...??

I think Cheese has over 3 left and Anthony has over 6 years. Even when they get out, what are they going to lead? Age and attrition has caught up to them and there aren't many guys left who are active. Providence is wiped out and Boston is at a standing 9 count. Do wither one of them have the ability to rebuild an organization? Even when Cheese gets out, how many years of federal monitoring will he have? The heyday of OC in New England is over and it ain't ever coming back.

IMO, Anthony DiNunzio had absolutely no business being a boss. Who is this fucking guy? He certainly made no impact as a leader, why go back to a baffoon running things?

As a longtime mob observer and researcher (for several authors), this latest guilty plea has demonstrated that Anthony DiNunzio couldn’t lead a pop warner football team. First, he was the worst choice as acting boss. Did he learn anything from John Gotti? He spent his days hanging out at the Gemini Social Club on Endicott St. with the FBI watching his every move. What happened to dons like Carlo Gambino, Raymond Patriarca & Tony Accardo? The mafia is supposed to be a secret and DiNunzio was so stupid, he got caught on tape bragging about burying people alive. He dressed like a peasant with his sweatshirts and reebok’s, which shows that he has no class. As the CEO of a criminal organization taking in millions of dollars each year, he didn’t even carry a legitimate job for income tax purposes. After all the heat that was going on with Manocchio and the Rhode Island crew, this spaccone continued to extort payments while the FBI was watching. He was also caught on tape talking about extorting a pornographer and Suffolk Downs. No wonder Bobby DeLuca decided to cooperate!! Do you blame him? When the boss is known in mob circles as a baffoon who nobody respects, you get total organizational breakdown which is clearly what happened in New England. Peter Limone should retire and count the millions he got from the Feds and who is really left in Rhode Island but a few wannabe’s and low level street hoods? The power base should have never left Rhode Island, as the Boston faction have proved time and time again that they are totally susceptible to wiretaps and FBI penetration. At least Manocchio had a strong reign, at least 12 years and he got about 5 years for his part in the extortion plot with jiggle joints. Rossetti is garbage and is now gone forever (prison & informant). Going back to Jerry Angiulo and now to the king of idiots, Dinunzio, Boston is a joke compared to other families around the country. Take a page out of the Pittsburgh Family’s book. Two bosses since 1956 and neither one of them went to prison. Pittsburgh is a relatively smaller family/city, but their Crime Family dominated the rackets in PA, Ohio and the panhandle of West Virginia virtually unscathed until the early 90′s when younger guys got into narcotics trafficking. When you walk around the North End and everybody knows who you are, it’s NOT a secret. Close down your stupid espresso social clubs and stay home!!!! On top of DiNunzio pleading guilty for a reduced sentence, he had to admit to the existence of the mafia and to the fact that he was the acting boss!!!! When being inducted into la cosa nostra, those are the two things you never do!!!! New England needs to bring some heavy hitters from New York or Chicago to get things running smoothly or bring in some Italians from the other side to instill mafia code and values. DiNunzio’s only talent was making a provolone and capicola sandwich!!! Anthony…dress the part, stay in the shadows and insulate yourself from your underlings so “NOBODY” could testify directly against you. Take a page out of Michael Genovese’s or John LaRocca’s book from Pittsburgh and DO NOT communicate but through one person and NEVER make yourself a visible target for the Feds. You flaunted who you were and got what you deserved!!! Bragging about burying people alive to impress Gambino Family members got you no where, especially when who you were bragging to was an FBI infomant!!! DiNunzio is a joke as a boss and couldn’t hold Manocchio’s cup of espresso! Any thoughts on who the next acting boss will be or will Peter Limone step back in to try and right the quickly sinking ship?

Seems like New England is pretty much a joke at this point. When your boss admits he's boss and your capo is a junkie you know they have problems. Seems like they're all junkies. Wouldn't be surprised if they're next to go defunct.

what happened to bosses like RAYMOND??? he stood in the window of coinomatic for years everyone knew him and who he was thats no different than being in a social club only the times have changed with rats everywhere and who gives a fuck if he wears sweats and sneakers??? U need medicine

the days of the old school are gone

Oh GOD!!! I forgot that you are a made man and people that do years of research know nothing. The point is about being low key. At least Patriarca "owned" a business for tax purposes. DiNunzio is a laughing stock...PERIOD!

I get what your saying jcb, but i also agree that times change, most ny guys arent in armani suits either,your a historian,you should know! and us Boston guys prefer sweats anyhow! lol but yea they arent even from boston, dinunzio is actually from chicago originally,both,also as a historian wasnt there a acting boss of a ny family recently caught in boston? dileo or something to that affect,again you should know theese things, im no mob fanboy or claim to know anything compared to theese guys, im an irish southie guy who lives all across this state of mass, but i do know that boston will rise again,it might not be the way we want or suspect,but remember theese guys are tight with philly ny etc they do bids together,remember that guy from charlestown who died on train w a philly guys loot? cmon biographer joe

Manton is joerusso.....

Times have changed but the rules have always been there. Ralph DiLeo was in Somerville and was nabbed by the Feds, but he was in Somerville keeping an eye on Springfield, MA from afar. There is nobody left to lead anything. Boston will be reduced to independent bookmakers operating on the street with nor formal structure, hierarchy or family as we once knew it. Providence is wiped out, completely. Boston has nobody on the street running things. It's a mess and with both DiNunzio's locked up for the forseeable future and now that Baby Shacks, Eddy Lato, DeLuca, St. Laurent, Bobo Marapese, Albie Folcarelli, Peter Limone, Mark Rosetti etc out of the picture, there is nobody left with significant power to take over and lead the organization. The ones that are capable are either inactive or semi-retired.

Manton/joerusso-enough already....

Doesn't Providence still have a huger Italian population? Federal Hill?

Federal Hill has the highest Italian population density in the country.

Still? I go there a few times per month for groceries and the neighborhood has a large Puerto Rican presence from what I have seen. I'm sure it was all Italian at one time.

As of 2010 yeah.

Match in the gas tank ...Boom Boom!!

CT has the most per capita I believe http://articles.courant.com/2011-02-22/n...alian-americans

true story

Oh yeah cheech do you wanna tell me what my blood pressure is to.

thats funny bobby, little busy fucking your mother

Oh wow If I had a dollar for everytime I heard that comeback id be able to buy a blowjob from your mom 1000 times over.

btw ive heard that comeback exactly 1000 times.

cheech has a two week suspension. bobbytran is gone for good.

There is no place on these boards for this sandbox bullshit.

im not anybody else on here beleive whatever u want sittite

the hill is mostly spanish and whites some blacks and then near broadway section its all yuppies the art school kids and jews

when i was a kid italians were everywhere in the city. federal hill silver lake mount pleasant manton ave charles st there were italians in every area

I like jcb..I like just reading to because you got guys like southend that are so hardcore its scary...

Southend is ex con who thinks he's a made guy with Jr russo,,they use to run numbers in eastie back in the day..

lot of fucking bullshit on here jcb ur full of shit. deleo had nothing to do with springfield he is with the snake and ny springfield is providence and west side mob territory always. he shylocked ran coke people in boston knew he was there im pretty sure nobody stepped up to him. beantown always had lots of serious guys u got vinny ferrara champagne spucky those are all serious people these men dont just retire they have a old mindset set in there ways so stop with the fuckin make beleive

they've had inept boss after inept boss since patriaca died

and now they're telling on each other to top it all off

i tell yous one the thing old school days are over but there are few very capable menthat are very active just choose to deal with a selected few...boston wont never be done providence either too many wiseguys around it just needs bunch of old school discipline installed thats about it .... and fat cheese and his brother are from eastie all the way ...they went to l.a./chicago after skipping town from owing vinny g aka dee dee gioncchini and anguilo 80 large that he asked dee dee to borrow from anguilo on far cheese behalf. after a contract was put out he moved to l.a. and working with chicago but i agree tony dinunzio is a no good leader but we have very capable men that do things the right way ....do they want the headache of young soldiers and the heat comes with being boss thats the real question

dd is another guy they dont get any more dangerous than him he made a beef about cheeseman getting capo good lookin matty went up there and sat with him over it it was all bugged. he ended up reporting to providence i dont know where he stands now that matty and baby shacks are locked up

meffa i don't think im made im just a son of a real gangster and know the people and the life unlike you a junkie from dope cental medford high off oc's happy gangsters do business in lame ass medford making you feel down.... medford so lame the high school football team won its first game in three years sad shit going on in that town and your a big help to that sad shit being a sad story yourself

You have 5 accounts on this site all you do is start bullshit I don't post anymore because all of YOUS guys are fucking loser wannabes literally I just read ever book and have done research..you morons actually admit of being apart of something that is suppose go be secret,,,that's how I no your a joke seriously

If u or anyone else is half connected you wouldn't be on a forum talking about it that's why you guys are a joke....

I'm the son of a made member lol and the other one saying how many ppl he was locked up with...if your even a little in the life you don't brag over the internet,,,my dads a made guy bullshit

You to fa***ts got nothing better to do

dd is just dealing with old school guys like biago simone spucy dennis vinny people he can trust and actually do business without worried about being ratted on.....heard him and limone are pretty tight....dee wantd cheese clipped and they didnt want that and really a big thing was building but the indictment slowed things down drastically and he ton of support he was just pissd there was actually, not only an vote for cheese, but a thought process to save cheese life when he didnt do shit so he was really mad about the whole situation so was others

somebody pissed got your pannies in a bunch coward go join a girl scout and feel wanted u loner

dd is just dealing with old school guys like biago simone spucy dennis vinny people he can trust and actually do business without worried about being ratted on.....heard him and limone are pretty tight....dee wantd cheese clipped and they didnt want that and really a big thing was building but the indictment slowed things down drastically and he ton of support he was just pissd there was actually, not only an vote for cheese, but a thought process to save cheese life when he didnt do shit so he was really mad about the whole situation so was others

somebody pissed got your pannies in a bunch coward go join a girl scout and feel wanted u loner

first its meffaboston than its meffa47 stop it cornball im joeruso and thats that dont got time for no kid shit switching names and all that grow up junk box .....and im not the real joe russo god bless his soul

Don't get baited boys. No need for suspensions over some tough guy on a keyboard, not worth it.

Fuck Joe russo,and you..if u were related to anyone u wouldn't be bragging on the internet u stupid wannabe

Vinny and Spucky aren't stepping up. Deleo had two guys around the Chicopee/Springfield area dealing blow. Manton, Boston/Providence is on life support, whether you believe it or not. There is NO formal structure, no hierarchy, no family left. There are made guys on the street operating, but absolutely no formal hierarchy or family. The days of LCN in New England are heading south in a hurry. There were originally 26 Mafia Families around the country. The only families left with a formal hierarchy are the 5 NY families, Chicago, Philly and Detroit. The FBI has obliterated 18 mafia families into extinction. New England aren't replenishing the ranks and the fact of the matter is that New England has bad fucking luck with their bosses. Baby Shacks had a tremendous run, outside of him, all other bosses are weak and not capable of running a crime family.

Anthony DiNunzio never had class nor the brains to run a criminal organization. He was a figurehead at best set up to take the fall. The guys from NY had to really get a chuckle when he was made "acting" boss. As a leader, your underlings need to respect you...and Anthony had none. However, his humpty dumpty shaped body and his battle with diabetes will probably improve in prison since he isn't eating prosciutto and provolone by the pounds. He truly was a pear shaped loser.

Tone it down, MANTON. If you want to make an argument do so on the merits of your view without making personal comments.

meffa lol, this kid. He's from Medford, i'm from fucking springfield for cryin outs, and know of more people in his city than him. And I know JoeRusso has posted about catching a case involving mob-type crimes, but I honestly do not recall him ever claiming to be "part" of any actual criminal element. Me, nope, never claimed to be part of anything even remotely criminal and certainly not organized - why? because I have a trafficking conviction and landed in prison, where - hey, believe this or not - it's full of the types we conversate about on these threads. It alllll started when meffa made that boston thread saying he lived a couple houses from peter limone. If I ever were to say I lived next door to anybody of significance true or not, he would start to cry and threaten to leave the board because of something like that. I asked if he knew who Anthony Barry was and he replied "never heard of him i'm only 26" - that's where his menstrual problems began- and followed up with "I think im leaving this board too many wannabes claiming they've been to prison or know people" . Are you kidding? Do you know what "real life" is kid? Cya the fuck later.

And go ahead ban me for saying this, but i'd be quite embarrassed too if I didn't know who the players in my own hometown were. You brought my name up on a thread unprovoked, so i'm clearly not the asshole here. Not to mention the random pm's telling me my mom sucks black cocks? Grow up

southend your right on ....i know people but its because their relationship with pop or from growing up in the neighborhood(north end) my legal issues is not oc related at all though the charges are usually their cup of tea ( gambling sports betting wire fraud etc ) but i never claim to be part of no family and my pop or uncle would kill me if he knew i was on here... when characters thats mentioned i dont know i dont comment on them even if i heard about em cause i dont know em personally so im not sound like a big a shot and fake the funk i know plenty wiseguys lot of people made capo's bosses whatever know the life like i know my cock but not my lifestyle at all dont care how many generations been involved times are different so are the players too much junk involved for me so like i said before im a wiseguys son thats nothing but great knowledge of the life and characters involved nothing special besides my respect and connections fellas and thats it

and southend i get pms too like a school girl mad at her girl scout sister "your mom sucks black cock" " your a fuckin bitch i whoop you old ass" not knowin im 38 in better condition he will ever be so kick rocks dont smoke it

I agree with this. People get their knowledge in different ways from different places. No need to insult, start conflict. It shouldn't matter whose neck of the woods is tougher. This isn't a competition. The insults and put downs are a waste of space. There's a lot of guys on here with knowledge if we could just cut through the bullshit.

i agree w south end and joe russo , this kid stuff just shows the generational crap etc,im mid 30,s but know alot the older guys.also an ex con of mci shirley,concord and the farm then boston pre,
so i know a few things met a few ppl.im not a kiler .im not a wanna be either im a gguy who doesnt comment unless i know what im saying,but guys can we agree kellys in revere is the best??? 2nd to sullys lol

That is truly the most hilarious thing ive ever heard, the murder rate in the cities of medford, revere, everett,malden and somerville would rise ten fold. Billy has smoked crack and shoot herion through out his life and from what iam told now has sleeves of tattoo's, what LCN wiseguy tat's himself up like that. NY would never allow billy to take a leadership role, it would bring too much heat for wahtever is left of italian organized crime throughout the country, and aside from that he is half irish, and his mother is a federal parole officer.... i know ive said this a million times but these are topics iam oo so familiar with. His wife kristen angelesco was kidnapped by her black boyfriend who is a lynn crack dealer.. billy did nothing... and before billy married her she was a OC flousy... i know of several old timers 60 years plus that put the wood to her and she was in her mid 20's.... As soon as spucky spagnola dies i doubt any old timers will even associate with angelesco... maybe if they need some one clipped... he has over 6 bodies under his belt... hes only skill is violence, not bookmaking not drug sales, just shakedown's and carrying out beatings stabbings for bookies and old timers.. angelesco and giangrande just recently started a handyman service called G & B handyman service to try and hide thier past wonder how thats going.

one thing that hasnt changed about southie is SULLY'S... best burgers and dogs around.

HAHA if hes from medfiddd and has any dealings in this world fmaily or personal...t here is no way you wouldnt know barry,angelesco, giangrande and cahill... or lonnie hillson or joey mongiello.

i posted this before.. it is true the dinunzios owed dee dee and gerry anguilo major money soo they went to work out in vegas under the chicago family... there boss/contact was spoliotro the charcter portrayed by joe peci in the movie the casino.

Im sorry Medfagg, it is you that are the joke boyo.... FACE IT YOU JIONED THIS SITE BECUASE YOUR NIEGHBORS ARE PETER LIMONE, ANGUILO'S, DIGIACOMO'S
AMONGST DOZENS OF OTHER NORTH END/ EASTIE OLD TIMERS THAT CHOOSE TO RAISE THIER CHILDREN IN YOUR RICH LITTLE CORRUPT JUNKIE CITY... THE ONLY PART OF MEDFAGG, ID CONSIDER ANYTHING LIKE THE REST OF GREATER BOSTON IS SOUTH MEDFORD WERE ANGELESCO BARRY GIANGRANDE MONGIELLO, HILLSON OPERATED IN THIER YOUTHS..... The nieghborhood were meffaboston lives is filled with huge houses, were old time gangsters moved too.... the name of the nieghborhood is medfagg hieghts and the other side if ti is called the MALDENS WEST END.

Fact: Billy was smoking crack out of a dried out chicken bone in J4. Having a guy who'll remain nameless lug big 60bags of canteen over to East Down to pay the Ya'Means for the shit. Taking Klonopins from the medline strait from kid's drooly diseased mouths when they'd cheek em. He was a stone cold drug addict that was my first impression, honestly

hahaa kick rocks dont smoke it.... nah ya know if hes from medfidd hes smoking and shooting all types of shit. and southend weve all heard that shit about billy, but that just seals the deal hilarious brother.... i ownder who was lugging the bags of canteen for him giangrnade.... thats the funny part giangrande got 3-4 years on that bust in 2006-2007, but no one i know can recollect him doing a bid for it?? even wrote some letters when that was going down no one seemed to know where he was doing his time...hmmm

like i said hes from medford a town that you move to to give your kids a better living and it turns to be a fuckin city under dope ... best thing in medford is tufts besides that it can join malden as one big fucking junkie city with all types of rackets and currupt officials and bunch asain and hatians that whole medford malden is a fuckin mess best thing they got is tufts and malden catholic hockey team ......lmaol im a big high school sports guy esp football real big on it love my high school football big time lmaol

The whole state of MA is on opiates

Paqddy Im a lowell boy and i go to sulllys once a week I love that joint!

Lic, he did that bid in Billerica and finished it in Worcester when he got shipped out og NHOC

This was MCI Concord - Giangrande wasn't there otherwise I'm sure they'd have been side by side all the time. The guy luggin the bags of food back n forth was his cellie, not a OC guy but good friend of Mark Rossetti

Medford sucks now. Billy is dangerous. Spucky is the man.

Yeah, the thing is is that spucky is one of the few old timers that truly likes billy and gene.... Not sure how limone feels about angelesco.... Medford is one of th emost junkie corrupt cities ive ever come across in all of MA. I mean angelesco killed macarelli in 1995 just streets over from where peter limone riased/set up his family... he probally didnt like that.

Barry and angelesco terrorized medford/malden in that time period and those are the cities all these north end old timers choose to raise thier children... its probally a double edge sword..

people say limone liked Barry to an extent, but never heard how crazy horse feels about angelesco.

Besides doing his time like a stand up guy after being wrongly convicted, what managerial skills does Limone offer. Prior to going away on that murder rap, he was a card/dice operator. Sure, he was an up and comer, but his days on the street ended quick and when he went away, he wasn't a high ranking member. The world changed while he was in prison. I mean, this guy deposits over $100k in his checking/savings account from illegal gambling money...how could anybody think that was a smart move? He's too old and now too rich to want anything to do with a declining organization/occupation. Personally, I don't believe he would want to take over the top job with the current state that the family is in. I mean, Limone had "no experience" even running or managing his own crew because he was locked up for over 33 years. While he may have been a driver for Angiulo, he still had no street experience overseeing a group of made guys and associates. He got pinched very young...I admire his tenacity for doing all that time, but the truth is he didn't have the opportunity to be in charge of the streets. And his deposits in the bank confirmed his inexperience at hiding/washing money. It was a flat out a stupid mistake, the kind of mistake that gets you right back in the can.

I'm sure somebody is going to chime in to ridicule my opinion...and that's fine. Truth is, he didn't do too good of a job while at the helm for a short period of time.

since we come from two totally different worlds JCB, ill put in simple terms...

any soldier or criminal is going to have no problem running things by a guy who did a bid just like them and kept his mouth shut, instead of taking orders from fat dago who just has a succesful booking office... limone was in walpole in the 70's and 80's the most dangerous prison in MASS until the early 00's when they changed walpole to meduim security, and sent all the MAX inmates to souza barnowski shirley.. limone saw and possibly took part in some serious shit in walpole back in the day... guys like buffalino and angelesco are going to respect a guy like limone or spucky that has commited violence themselves and kept thier mouths shut.

Limone has sons and grandsons.... he made it clear that they were never to be part of the life.

and you say he was just a dice/card runner... you dont know that you just know what books tell you, and RATS tell you..... in fact just like limone likes barry and a few of the younger guys... an old school guy named Illario larry zannino liked peter limone in the 60's... larry zanino was one of the toughest consiglier's in history of the NE family..... guys like joe russo, and larry zannino there legends live on... russo an eastie guy and zannino believe it or not grew up in bostons south end were all the jews and poorest of the poor grew up. Just for ya knowledge JCB.

and yeah the part about him mixing his federal wrongful conviction money with gambling proceeds is beyond stopid... but come on the guy opened his first bank account in his late 60's early 70's.

One would think Limone would never ever look back at the past with over $30 million and in his pocket and 30 lost years, but the facts are he did and it's no secrete he got caught and seemed very close to both Carmine and Anthony, real close, like a mentor.

he's easily the last of a dying breed. the I took an oath breed that is

Jcb77 I read the fat tony fbi files, in 1964 peter limone and jerry where making frequent meetings with probaly the biggest bookman them yrs. I just seen some shit chart limone came up in the valachi hearings. Boston or rhode island never had a phil leonetti talking about his uncles gettin made in 1954. Im guessing jerry an all his bros got made in the50tys baby shacks,limone,rudy s I think.is st.laurents uncle.limone did 30 yrs sneakin I look on this forums pic merlino takes pics in his zone. Thats fed parole not state.

anyone have a picture of angelesco?

dsballoo Picture of Angelesco

Thats an alright one, the earlier ones are good pics though, the ones where statie pasquirillo is escorting angelesco into the danvers statie barracks, angelesco tries to hide his face, and even tries to distort his face for the photographers..... he was wearing a sox cap, sweats, and nike's... they used to be on howie carrs site a couple years back but doubt there still up there... there not on the web anymore.

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/02/24/1140778941_0543.jpg


http://bostonherald.com/sites/default/fi...ook02292008.jpg

Heres a picture of gene.... the funniest part is in the 80's he was a short skinny dago now hes huge..
http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/f228fc8c94_book02292008.jpg

JUST A SIDE NOTE... BILLY IS BLATENTLY BEANED OUT IN THIS PICTURE... HAHA

Thanks southend and lic. Was curious cause I've neven seen angelesco before, just gene... Haha fuck the pic of him that you guys both posted he looks like he's mid nod out. Must have took a big shot of dope before that one.
How is it possible he has so many bodies and has never been charged? Especially since it seems like he doesn't mind shooting people with 30 witnesses around?
Another thing, I find it strange that the old timers would make him considering he seems like such a bad drug user. Don't people have issues wirh that? I know I wouldn't want a doper around me when shit hit the fan. Once they start withdrawing they're going to cooperate in a second for a bundle. I guess its not too surprising though considering rossetti was also a long time heroin user and he was a fucking captain..still kind of baffles me.

any zip left in springfield?
or was fusco the only one to begin with?

thats south ends cup of tea id say! yea billy def beaned out there! i was thinking it then scrolled and was like yup he knew too

I aways figured Sicilians were the "zips" because they speak the dialect so fast. Emilio Fusco comes from Sorrento, Italy. Lot of people don't know that Adolfo Bruno was also born in Italy but came over at a way earlier age than Emilio. The Manzi's, not LCN but players nonetheless, the older ones atleast are mostly Italian born from Quindici, Avellino. The Manzi's remaining family in Italy are part of the Nuova Camorra clan.
Interesting story about Carmine Manzi's ...Camorra member

Oh. I thought that Fusco was from Quindici too.

By zip I meant italian-born guys, buy you got that. Thanks.
Are these Manzis still active?

What's the current status of the Springfield crew anyway?
Anyone local stepping up or will the bronx send someone up there?

Hi Lic,

FYI-I don't speak with RATS, my information comes from much more credible sources in law enforcement at both the state and federal level. I may not be a street guy, but my grandfather as well as two of my uncles were in the life and I grew up around it, so I'm also not stupid. While some of the guys may respect Limone, there are also a lot of guys who just don't get it. The days of LCN being all powerful are over for good. Citizens aren't afraid to run to the feds, "most" of the younger guys wouldn't hesitate to flip because the repercussions just aren't enforced the way they were in the old days. New England hasn't replenished the ranks and that is why they are a dying organization, like a majority of other families around the country. I am well aware of Larry Zannino...but the fact of the matter is that there aren't any young guys who could have as much influence as Zannino once had. There is no doubt in my mind that Limone could hold his own, but nearing 80 years old has its downside as well. His family will be taken care of for the rest of their life "if they're smart." I just don't believe that he is going to want to be active on a day to day basis because running a crime family in this day and age is no easy task and has more headaches with underlings and "the new generation" of wannabees. Guys like Limone, Patriarca, Manocchio and Zannino are a dying breed. They took their oaths seriously and more importantly, they adhered very strictly to the rules of Cosa Nostra from the old country. These 3rd and 4th generation Italian Americans don't have the same ideologies as the guys who were either born and raised there or are 1st generation Italians whose families emigrated to America. The point I'm trying to make is that the mafia is not an occupation of choice or as attractive as it once was. There have been so many informants in New England that the Feds have their finger on the pulse and who knows how many others are secretly talking to law enforcement. Anthony DiNunzio was a laughing stock and he did no favors for the Patriarca Crime Family...if anything, he weakened it tremendously with his continued enforcement of the shakedown of strip clubs while he knew that he and others were being investigated. Ducking for a while until the heat went away would have been the smart thing to do, but instead, he found it to be more important to ensure that everybody knew he was acting boss while playing the role of tough guy for the Gambino's in NY, on top of the fact that he was being recorded a few months into his reign as acting boss. Angiulo should have whacked him 30 years ago, as Anthony had no business sitting in the big chair. He obviously demonstrated utter stupidity which proved he had no idea of what he was doing. While Zannino may have liked Peter Limone in the 1960's, that was 50 plus years ago and Zannino is dead and it's 2013. If you can't even properly wash your money, you probably shouldn't be sitting in the big chair. Again, my point is that age and attrition is going to reduce the Patriarca Crime Family to some made guys operating on the street, but the hierarchy and the family structure is going to cease to exist, just like 18 out of the 26 other mafia families who cease to exist today.

the same old story with this jcb,listen you say you dont get info from rats but the law, where you thinkthey get their info from? rats,so lic s right and most rats only tell half truths , and on and on with the demise of the lcn enough,go write a book black mass part 2 its prob be as inaccurate as the first

Spoken like a true scholar...Here is the bottom line paddy: The Patriarca Crime Family has been DECIMATED...drug addicts and rats have sunk the ship. Do you actually believe they are a strong family? The old timers that you and lic mentioned are close to wearing depends and the fact is that nobody is scared of them anymore. 26 original mafia families and now there are 8. I'd have to say that the government of the U.S are winning the war on OC. For the record, I am not on the government's side, but the fact of the matter is that the FBI has more knowledge than you do. Albeit from informers and other undercover law enforcement officials, but you're leaving out the fucking STUPIDITY of guys like Limone and company. Remember, some of those assholes were caught on tape and Limone is such a sharp, smart guy...YEAH RIGHT!!!! His bank deposit for over $150k into his checking account demonstrated how brilliant a mobster he really is. If I'm not mistaken, in 1989 the FBI actually was at the making ceremony in Medford, right? I must say, that was a pretty smart move for LCN in New England, I'm sure Raymond Sr. was rolling over in his grave. Not looking to write a book on New England OC, it's been played out enough. You say rats, I say stupidity...When you allow law enforcement to catch you on tape discussing business and threatening to bury people alive, you deserve to get ass raped in prison. I'm sure Anthony DiNunzio's diabetes will improve while in the can since he isn't eating pounds of provolone. LCN will NEVER win against the US Government. You could bitch about the government all you want, but who do you think protects your ass from being attacked by our enemies? It sure isn't Peter Limone or Spucky or anybody else in the organization. FYI-If you claim to be connected, you shouldn't be on a website talking about OC. The tree house code of Omerta is a joke, very clearly demonstrated by several key guys in New England. They got themselves to blame, not the government. The government is doing their job, the mafia isn't doing theirs (which is to avoid indictments/prison). Same old story with Paddy, he knows more than everyone. Maybe you should write your book because you know more than anybody else and you get confrontational when somebody has a differing opinion or facts to share. Angiulo never made it back before his pork chops got cold, do you actually think the Patriarca Crime Family is strong right now? C'mon Man!

of course i dont think that their as strong as back in day, no family is, and as the decreased number of families prob has alot to do w/ a number of things, consolidation,e'g' gambinos taking over a certain area etc. and another may be alot of the guys from the old days were immigrants,not italian americans,so again theres various reasons, russians,asians etc. but its def not out, just not many ppl wanna go to a guy to place a horse bet my age as they did in the 60's also theres otb, casinos ect,

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I agree with you 100% about the difference between the Italians that came over vs. the Italian Americans today. However, the Gambino's and Genovese Families are still strong as far as membership and both families have brought over quite a few immigrants to replenish the ranks. Also, both families continue to replenish the ranks, where most other mafia families have stopped making new members...which is why age and attrition has caught up with the Patriarca's.

It was either you or lic that said that Providence is a breeding ground for mobsters...My source at WPRI Providence, who is the lead investigator tells me that "nobody" active is left in Providence and there are no up and comers that are even remotely close to being made. While I agree that Providence has always been traditionally stronger than Boston with less headaches, I would have to agree with that since Providence has lost Baby Shacks, Lato, Marapese, St. Laurent, DeLuca, Folcarelli, Scivola, Bonifiglia, Guglielmetti etc. Joe Achille Sr. and Joseph Ruggiero are not active...Who is left in Providence that has any real clout?

The Bulger story has certainly ran its course and has been well overplayed...wouldn't you agree? How many books and angles are people going to keep writing about? Rumor on the street is that Whitey has a horrendous case of Halitosis (extreme bad breath), do you know anybody who could corroborate this? I know a deputy sheriff in Plymouth who was one of the guys assigned to Whitey while on trial and he told me that when Whitey spoke, the odor from his mouth was so appalling that some of the cops had to cover their nose with their hands. He said it smelled like a sewer. Has anybody else heard this one?

Nobody left in Providence of any significance...goes to show you that without replenishing the ranks, age and attrition catch up.

WHAT DO U MEAN NOT ACTIVE I DONT GET IT??

GO TELL SOME OF THR GUYS U KEEP TALKING ABOUT THERE NOT ACTIVE

I THINK U WILL BE ACTIVELY LOOKIN FOR A AMBULANCE

MANTON, please stop using all caps.

Why no caps SC? I know it against the rules I remember years ago I didn't know that all caps was yelling at someone till the HR girl told me at work.

I realize there are times when we want to emphasize something, but typing in all caps all the time is just rude.

LOL...Providence is dead, next question please??? When the Puerto Ricans are taking over Federal Hill...HOUSTON, we have a problem! Providence is down to wannabees, all the significant players are finished. No structure, no family, no hierarchy, NOTHING!!!!! The organization went down when the old man got indicted. And to be blunt, when the mafia's main source of income is shaking down to jiggle joints, especially the "litter boxes" and herpes infested whores they got working for them, it's safe to say that their real power is gone. The casinos are wiping out bookmakers and they will continue to do so when they open in Massachusetts. ALL the key guys in Rhode Island and some in Boston got rung up on tits and ass...what an embarrassment. The New England LCN has been decimated and is no longer a functioning family, its in disarray. Anybody who believes that the family is strong and they are as powerful as they once were has no place on this forum.

such a plethora of knowledge....aknow it all in fact

LOL...Fall Riva? You mean River? LOL, a true scholar

its how the portageeks say it, its called a pun, faallll rivvaaaa
but i got a one liner outta ya, thnk god no drawn out paragraph

That was actually funny...got no beef with you Paddy, nor a beef with anybody on this site...for the record, a lot of people on this forum know or are connected to somebody, somewhere along the lines

i gots no beef w you either jcb, but ya gotta understand in a way if your a bible fearin man, we all came from adam and eve , but that doesnt make me gotti clan does it buddy? have a drink relax, take a step off that soapox, its not that serious, we'll still like ya! ya remind me of the kid in class that used to have all the answers from the reading in kast nights homework verbatim...and i know i spelled my latin wrong there its ok, im no scholar!

Lol...I'm not a know it all, far from it, trust me. Sorry about the soapbox and I don't look down on people who have done time...I just know how it affects family. By the way, I enjoy your posts, always educational to get another perspective. I'm not a scholar either, went college to play baseball, got a degree. I'm nothing more than a working stiff like most people.

same here bro, i dont claim to be anything but, a guy who made a few mistake and avid enthusiast of lcn,esp my local yoculs bc i know knew some of the ppl,so its intriguing to me. but there are " good kids" who get on oxys or whatever and do dumb sh around here thats fact, doesnt make them a genius but the heavy sentences are usually a result of messing w currency, us treashury deposits etc, i have frst hand knowledge abt that, they smoke ya ever since 9/11. the feds arent fond of anyone messing w the dough, domestic or foreign, so imo thyre are some guys who messed up ANd got a 20 plus sentence

Interesting Site, I've heard of so many of these "guys", Didn't know that there was any , WiseGuys in Medford,Somerville, NEnd, anymore. Real.ones. anyway

Most of Federal hill is unrecognizable From the 80`s, even 90`s. I think it's silly to think LCN is dead because of the influx of PRs and DRs on the hill. Prov still has a strong Italian presence, there's wiseguys In Cranston, Warwick, Johnston etc. I'm not saying the family isn't in rough shape, I'm just saying the fact that the hill is full of PRs selling heroin has nothing to do with LCN. They're everywhere nowv pushing that shit. From broad to eddie to public to Wggin village to down Cranston street. The h buiness is out of control in RI

Wtf, with the crack Shit?Good.Point I didn't know that those guys, were heavy into the Shit?Not surprising though, They back on the street?I don't know them personally, And I think I posted this?I'm old, A friend told me. That Billy A, is married, yet, a friend of "his" was seen with Billys girl?Tall Blonde w/the Rack. FRom Somerville,I believe?Interesting,,,,,,,,

WTF is beaned out, Forgive my ignorance

Anyone got pic, of Giangrande?

Every Story is Hilarious, And.True!They are truly entertaining and make me/others think, how they let "made men" behave the way they do?Reality Check,,,,WTF????

I like ur Style, Honesty and Integrity, A Man who speaks the truth, Not a Storyteller , Like soooo many others,,,,Interesting to read ur post!Sound like a Down to Earth,NOT a"Gotti"wannabe type!!!!

beaned out they on benzos it happens when u take anti anziety drugs w opiates theres a fine line then you blackout almost like a drunk would but your cognitive and ,might slur ya speech but just seem crazed

Correct me if I'm wrong, the Patriarca Family, at its peak had 100 made men all full blooded italian, since Raymond Patriarca Sr. died in 1984, was succeeded by his son Ray Jr. that rivaled Gotti Jr when inexperience, while it would have been better to make Ilario Zannino boss, then in 1989 Sonny Mercury records a ceremony affiliation, Bobby Carrozza tries to take control of the family, but fails and becomes boss Frank Salemme who then knew that Bulger and Flemmi were FBI informants decides to flip.
The capos Mark Rossetti and Robert DeLuca decide to flip, it turns out that Bulger and Flemmi though ruthless killers and head of the Irish mob;have been informant for years of the FBI that covered their criminal activity to destroy LA COSA NOSTRA, it's clear that after that was discovered that Henry Tolemeo, Peter Limone and others have made 30 year in prison from innocents only because was mobster, so that someone spoke of D'Oh-Merta.
I would say that what is lacking to the Patriarca Family isn't a base to make new blood into its ranks, even if not full-blooded Italian, but a capable and charismatic boss.