family secrets defendant working at mccormick

I was at mccormick the other day and saw nicky ferriola working. Complete bust out. Wasn't he the one who forfeited 9 mill to the feds.

I've seen a few different people swear he's made, sucks to be a wise guy in Chicago I guess

I wonder if the job is part of some parole agreement? If it's true, not all that surprising considering mob involvement at McCormick in recent years.


Ferriola, 33, the son of the late reputed mob boss Joseph Ferriola and the alleged godson of mobster Frank Calabrese Sr., had pleaded guilty to taking part in the conspiracy before the landmark trial last year. Prosecutors said he helped run a gambling operation and was part of an effort to extort the owner of the Connie's Pizza chain. U.S. District Judge James Zagel also ordered Ferriola to make $9 million in forfeiture payments, but said the financially ruined Ferriola would not be able to.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-09-10/news/0809090592_1_conspiracy-case-reputed-mob

[quote=IvyLeague]I wonder if the job is part of some parole agreement? If it's true, not all that surprising considering mob involvement at McCormick in recent years.


Ferriola, 33, the son of the

late reputed mob boss Joseph Ferriola and the alleged godson of mobster Frank Calabrese Sr., had pleaded guilty to taking part in the conspiracy before the landmark trial last year. Prosecutors said he helped run a gambling operation and was part of an effort to extort the owner of the Connie's Pizza chain. U.S. District Judge James Zagel also ordered Ferriola to make $9 million in forfeiture payments, but said the financially ruined Ferriola would not be able to.




They have been into mckormic forever, in the 70s frank Calabrese got nick Calabrese a job there Through the teamsters
The teamsters are the union there
Again no matter how much things change something's remain the same

Rudy Fratto was all involved with McCormick Place too.

Ferriola should no longer be on federal supervised release.

The Teamsters are probably his day job. Most lower ranking made guys and soldier/associates have regular jobs as opposed to more established gangsters with businesses.

Who knows if Ferriola is even active anymore.

The Large Guy was a trade show "carpenter" and McCormick Place too. Virtually every low to mid level Outfit guy has had a stint there.

ive been at mccormick my whole life. you dont need to tell me who has been there in the past before they got pinched. this guy is there after he got pinched. believe me, this guy is busted out. no cash

Just more proof to show that the existing Outfit isn't even a shadow of what it once was.

How? Nick f hasn't been a relevant figure in a long time. They want nothing to do with him. He was lackey to one of the biggest goofball families the Outfit has ever seen. Not surprising to see him get frozen out, he brings nothing to the table but an unwanted recognizable name & heat.

Lol @ Nick ferriola being a heavy hitter/relevant to Outfit success

He owes me two dollars !

I saw him again today. He showed up to work, but didn't get picked to work. That's the way its works at mccormick, sometimes your in, sometimes your not

You dont think theyre rackets at the largest convention center in north America combined with they're remaining teamster power combined with they're involvement in the union movement and forklifting companies and the fact they have Chicago all to themselves
Make them stronger RIGHT NOW than the Colombo and bonnano families even if they are less than half the size

Also my question to you is we have seen in ny how even though they indict mobsters civilly and are able to
Remove them from they're union positions , they still control the union because they have embedded themselves into these unions as far back as 80 years ago
How you think this isn't the case when they only removed a few mob guys from the union
And don't tell me the steir Anderson report was bs
Because when they're children and cousins etc are involved in controlling not only the union itself but also the pension fund , how that isn't control and influence for them
We can both agree, that the mob overall in the grand scheme of things(despite a few idiots) is very much into achieving an everlasting lifespan and has spent that the last 100 years embedding and weaving itself into the fabric of society
Like with matassa he's a mobster and anything he touches is corrupted because of his station in life and who he represents
I think we have seen wiseguys in Chicago be much more low key
And that the made members of the family are pretty hands off as far as them personally doing everyday violence. We have seen just roughly a month ago Solly Delaurentis, a confirmed member of the Chicago cosa nostra , his partner pay 10k to Peter carparelli to have his crew deliver a beating and break the legs of someone who owed a gambling debt. This dosent suggest a kindle gentler mob, it suggest where unlike in ny where made guys beat up gamblers personally , in Chicago they contract an out and the fact that they can pay 10k for a beating shows the financial robustness of the Chicago mob

To quote peter carparelli "be discreet so they think were dead, let them think they did thyre job , so they go have a beer, high five each other"
Carparelli isn't just coming up with this way of doing business itself
It's the way of the Chicago mob, it's the way his superiors tell him to operate
Its like being a detective you obviously reasonably infer from the evidence and statements that thyre is a lot more going on than we're privy too, that's not public information.
This notion that mob blackballs
Gamblers rather than beat them has proven to be false

more Italians have city of Chicago jobs than actually live in the city

I guess they get those jobs because the Italians have no clout in chicago

? That's makes no sense cookcounty

No, Nick ferriola is not made. Nor will he ever be made.

Why was he rejected by the outfit? He did his time and proved he wouldnt talk. It's not his fault he was associated with kookoo Calabrese. Why does he have a rep as a goof?

He isn't considered a goof, however he is associated with goofs (the calabrese family). He was never a real gangster to begin with, he was born into It. He's useless to the Outfit at this point.

A "goof" implies someone is a dolt of no consequence. When you have someone do your dirty work for 30 years, they flip and send everyone to prison for the rest of their lives, the dismissiveness rings hollow.

It's like the CEO of a car company calling the engineers he himself hired who have ruined the company "goofs."

Uh, no, you're the goof for hiring them.

Hes a convicted felon
He's not gonna be able to get a job
Unless like this one it's arranged by the outfit
Once he got a felony conviction, his life in the mob began in earnest

Even if the Outfit had the level of influence at McCormick or with the Teamsters Union you wish they still did - and they don't - that alone wouldn't necessarily make them more powerful than the Colombos or Bonannos.

McCormick? There's obviously some involvement there. Rudy Fratto and his bid-rigging case. William Daddano Jr. Nick Ferriola working there (if you even want to count that). But you talk as if they run the place the way the mob ran the Javits Center in NY years ago.

Teamsters Union? When was the last Outfit/Teamsters indictment in Chicago? It's been years. There was the Stier report, now over a decade old, that resulted in no charges and showed basically residual influence at this point.



Sometimes the mob influence remains. Other times it's gone. Sometimes it's removed but creeps back in. There's much more evidence of lingering mob influence in New York because we've seen the cases to prove it. Not so in Chicago, which is why you have to resort to going on pure theory and conjecture.

And I never said the Stier report was BS. I said that, if you read it, what it shows is residual influence. And nothing that ever resulted in any indictments. But if you want to believe the Outfit still has the Teamsters Union under it's thumb in Chicago, louie, go ahead.



I'm not sure what your point is in this rambling mess above. But I have a question, louie. It wasn't long ago that you used to argue over on the other forum that the Outfit wasn't nearly as strong as many people thought. It was the thread where you quoted one Chicago mobster talking about "loans being down" and you argued there were only two FBI agents tracking the Outfit at that point. Remember that? More recently, Pogo asked you why you did the total 180 in your position. You never were able to answer him.

I don't know about Chicago but in ny once the government gets a hint of any oc involvement they come in and put the union in trusteeship they basically run the pension and welfare funds through a management company. And if they think a member or find out if a member has any mob affiliation they can be barred for life after an investigation.

True about the trusteeship but they still finds away around that

NY construction unions still have alot of LCN influence

NY LCN has done a good job of generating income from construction and their unions . It's still a cash cow and truth be told although many workers get screwed the contractors still value the benefits they provide

Construction / unions and NJ garbage/ recycling/ tranfer stations is probably the reason the NY families are still viable. These industries kick off millions with more millions generated from ancillary services to these industries .

I'd be curious to see how the lending biz is doing these days, I know it's still big in the restaurant and bar industries but always wonder how big a book these guys have , got to think the credit crisis helped them out to some extent .

To me online gambling is still genovese and luchesse but in sure other fams doing well too

High end marajuana they probably all have their hands in , good biz there

How do they find a way around a trusteeship. And like I said if they suspect any involment or a union member even knowing a member of oc your done I'm talking about teamsters pension and welfare that is where the big money is dont have access then you don't control the unions.

Some examples of that can be found in the link below, The RICO Trusteeships after Twenty Years: A Progress Report. It goes over various locals that were put under trusteeship in the past and whether that was successful or not. And if not, why that was. Some of the ones that were unsuccessful included:

LIUNA Local 6A
IBT Local 295
New York District Council of Carpenters
ILA Local 1588
ILA Local 1814

http://www.ipsn.org/rico_trusteeships_jacobs.htm


Another recent example is IBT Local 282 where, despite clean up and reform in the union itself, there wasn't the same oversight of the benefit funds and the mob was able to exploit that.

That carpenter union I don't see every being LCN free

I have a few friends that are in that union and the black caddys are plentiful

Plenty of ways around the trustee when you have influence over the president and stewards. In a few cases LCN has even had the trustee replaced with someone more friendly.

Frankly many contractors rely on LCN to smooth out the process and help with bids. i wouldn't be surprised if LCN connected contractors get $250M+ annualy in construction projects and probably much more.

First off in the last 5 years the fortunes of the Colombo and bonnano families have changed drastically where as in Chicago since the family secrets arrest in 2005, which was 8 years ago. The only major guy since then to go to jail for them was sarno and Rudy fratto. So there you only have 2 made guys since April of 2005 for the Chicago LCN that have been incarcerated.
In comparison for the Colombos , during that same time frame.
You have had Andrew Russo and Anthony Russo the capo, Joseph savarese, Benjamin Castellazo, Richard Fusco, Teddy Persico, John Franzese,Machael Capatano, Ralph Deleo, Thomas Gioeli,Dino Calabro,Ralph Scopo Jr,Joseph Carna, Dennis Delucia,Ray Maragni,Emanuel favuzza, Vinny Febrarao, Nicky Rizzo,Joseph Compatiello,Frank Campione, Michael Uvino and Dino Saracino, thomas Petrizzo, Michael Persico, Paul Bevaqua, Craig Marino.
That's 27 made members.
For the Bonnanos
Anthony Rabito, Nicholas Santora, Vito Badamo, Anthony Calabrese, Michael Mancuso, Dominick Cicale. Pj Pisciotti,Anthony Indelicato, Anthony Graziano, Vincent Badalamenti,Joseph Sammartino, Joseph Chile, Frank Pastore, Ernest Aiello,Michael Virtuoso, Ace Aiello,Anthony Scalfani,Jodeph Loaicono,Anthony Pipitone,Paul Spina,Jerome Asaro,Joseph Cammarano Jr, Louis Decicco,Jack Bovenentre,Michael Cassese,Vito Balsamo,Anthony Mannone,Vincent Armante, Michael Uroiucoli,
That's 29 members

# of incarcerated members since May 2005, post FS arrests
1.Bonnano LCN-29 Members
2.Colombo LCN-27 Members
3.Chicago LCN-2 Members

Just a hint of their power in the unions today is contained below.
This is just from a few minutes of investigating. This is just the tip of the iceberg

Union Officials Influenced and Controlled by the Mob in the Teamsters Currently
1.James Glimco-Local 777 IBT President and Trustee of Joint Council 25 of the IBT
Son of Former Outfit Capo Joey Glimco.
2.John Coli- President of Joint Council 25 IBT and Secratary Treasure of Local 727 and Member of Teamster National Executive Board and Vice President of Central Region IBT. Son of former Chicago LCN Soldier James Coli.
3. Dominick Romanazzi-President IBT Local 330. Confirmed Chicago LCN Associate by The FBI and the Chicago Crime Comission.
4.James M Hogan- President Local 714 IBT. Confirmed associate of the Chicago LCN by the FBI an the Chicago Crime Commission. Uncle of Mob associates James Hogan Jr and Brother of James Hogan Sr.


Thats 4 different current Teamster union presidents. The President and Trustee of Joint Council 25 which oversees the pension fund of 28 combined Teamster locals and which represent more than 115,000 workers. Last but not least the Vice President of the Central Region of The United States for The Teamsters and a member of The National Executive Board.

The investigation in 2004 and also 2009 both times were stopped by and shut down by James P Hoffa, the son of one of the most Notoriously currupt mobbed up union leaders in history. They probably told Hoffa remember your father

So? By your logic, the LA family would be stronger since it had 0 members imprisoned since that time. More Colombo and Bonanno members have been indicted because they have far more members and are far more active than the Outfit. It's that simple.



This isn't exactly news. These guys were mentioned in the Stier report, along with other family members of Outfit guys in certain union positions. There were many allegations in the report but not much, if anything, that actually resulted in any indictments. The reason for some of this could be explained in how Howard Abadinsky described the Outfit's labor racketeering activities in the 2000 article Mob Lite. But not enough to explain away the relative lack of Outfit/union cases in recent years. It may very well be more an example of the children of past gangsters working in the legit world. Benefiting from who they're related to, certainly, but not necessarily acting in the Outfit's interests or being involved in Outfit business.

To answer your first part are you actually saying, you who claims to have knowledge of the mob, actually saying that comparing Chicago to the bonnano or Colombo families is equivalent to comparing LA to Chicago.
Your outta your mind

2nd question I quest your saying they control the teamsters????
James glimco and John coli!! You can't even get more mobbed up
Thyre people in place is the same way they had thyre people in place 30 years ago
It uses to be Glimco Sr now it's Glimco Jr
It used to be Coli Sr and now it's Coli Jr
Are these guys like sal gigante and Ralph gigante fyfe?????
How do u think the mob controls things through relatives, people they can reach and influence
You claim to be an expert on the mob but you don't know this???
Are you saying theyre not mobbed up

I mean your outta your mind, your terribly naive

Allow me to quote Salvatore Santora speaking to Sal Avellino

"we control the unions by puttting our sons, our nephews in. Any fucking body, dosent fuming matter as long as its our People, our blood"

+100 Louie

What would the mob get out of controlling unions these days? Most notoriously they used he pension funds to bankroll casinos.

Farther back they used them to control certain industries, like laundering and milk delivery, but they have nowhere near that amount of pull now.

Extorting money from contractors
Extorting money from union workers to work or
Get overtime or any coveted position
Steer contracts to companies they own
Jks ventures and the other difronzo company employ teamsters
This is how they have always made money

Give me some actual examples, louie. I keep asking for them but you don't provide anything other than speculation. You bringing up Gigante's relatives on the waterfront is a good example of what I'm talking about. There's been several ILA busts over the past decade. Where are the Outfit-related Teamster busts? You can rambling on and on about this but some of us need more than just wishful thinking.

I should add that this is similar to what we see in Chicago as a whole. Lots of speculation, lots of rumor, lots of guesswork about the Outfit. But much of it never goes anywhere. Never verified or demonstrated beyond internet rumor.

In answer to johnnynonos post above, I would think the Chicago mob would get the same thing from unions the NY mob does. Which is exactly why I wonder why we don't see labor racketeering indictments in Chicago.


OC expert Howard Abadinsky had an interesting comment on this in a 2000 article on the Outfit called Mob Lite:


The Outfit is not the sole practitioner of labor racketeering, but it might be the most ingenious. In New York, for example, the Mafia influences labor unions by brute force, intimidating or corrupting union officials.

"But in Chicago," Abadinsky says, "you get labor officials who are, in fact, Outfit people." The distinction is critical, he says, because it gives the crooked union representative here a legitimate reason to be in contact with elected officials-long the essence of the Outfit's power base in Chicago.

The differences don't stop there. In New York, the Mafia profits in construction by arranging for several companies to submit excessive bids on contract work, then steps in to slightly underbid and win the business.

The Outfit, according to Abadinsky, does not bother with such complex and risky collusion. Instead, it uses its control of the unions to provide Outfit connected businesses with competitive advantages. "For example," Abadinsky says, speaking hypothetically, "an Outfit guy who controls the union that delivers food might ask a Chicago restaurant owner to buy office supplies from an Outfit-controlled supplier.

Is that illegal? He didn't say he was going to call a strike. He didn't shake the restaurant owner down. But the guy would have to be a complete idiot if he didn't throw the Outfit the office supply business."

The New York approach is clearly illegal, Abadinsky says. The Outfit's approach, via its influence in labor unions, is "remarkably sophisticated."

http://www.laborers.org/ChicagoMag_Moblite_12_00.htm


But the thing is, there are mob people in the New York unions too. That's not just a Chicago thing. And the NY mob also uses union influence to provide mob-connected businesses with competitive advantages. So, what's the real difference?

By controlling the union LCN gets huge pay offs from contractors as they can use non union workers or cut short on foreman usage without the threat of a strike or picket . This saves millions on some projects and of course LCN gets their cut .

As mentioned they get bid info and and can steer huge projects to connected companies who in turn has to pay tribute . Genovese has control of some huge contractors , I'm talking firms with $100m + in revenue like Worth.

Like I said in NY the LCN makes huge $ off construction as they provide valuable services to contractors and I don't see this ending anytime soon . Just the wtc rebuild alone , they were probably involved in some $200 m in projects .

God only knows how much these guys make in NJ and upstate garbage, recycling and control of the transfer stations. I live by Hudson and a monster transfer station is definately connected , not to mention the landlord

I'm not even sure if what they are doing is illegal outside of extortion or threat of violence which is very hard to prove with low sentences. It will be interesting what the result is if the big NJ and NY garbage bust a few months ago . Busts Re happening all the time in NY and NJ but it still goes on . I happen to agree with ivy that the lack of busts in chi probably means LCN activity is way down

I really wish I knew how the income of the Genovese family compares to say 25 years ago . I know the Fulton and NYC garbage busts hurt but they have alot of new scams and I bet their income hasn't dropped as much ad people think. Of course I have no idea for sure and this is just speculation.

I actualy think Costa Rica and on line gambling still kicks off a ton of $ for the west side , with how cheap it is to set up on line accts , the marginps and volume might even be better today than in the 70s and 80s. Almost every friend I have bets thru a book or 2 or 3 .

Unions and construction is what IMO makes NY so much more profitable and powerful compared to other areas. The only thing is the $ is much more concentrated , alot of middle income guys for sure ($100-250k) but the top earners are probably really crushing it

I can connect all the dots; I fail to see how it works very effectively without the threat of violence.

It's the same kind of thinking we always see, that somehow these businesses/ventures the Outfit over time was putting dozens of people in car trunks a year to control all of a sudden became complicit in their own extortion, corruption, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they get some benefit out of the union influence, and I'm sure D&P and similar companies gets a lot of contracts, etc., I would just guess it is on a relatively small scale.

They regularly beat the shit outta people
They occasionally muder people
And the Chicago mob has a ruthless reputation
These legit union people are terrified of them

Some examples of that can be found in the link below, [i]The RICO Trusteeships after Twenty Years: Some of the ones that were unsuccessful included:


IBT Local 295

I

http://www.ipsn.org/rico_trusteeships_jacobs.htm

Since they removed Anthony Calagna sr and junior local 295/851 ( they are one local now)
And all of the luchesse influence within the p&w dept of the union ( this is the big money part) their correct it was unsuccessful now you have for every one union trucking co or cargo handling agent 15 that are nonunion. starting pay for any airport job in 1982 was 18+ an hour. Lucky if its 10 an hour now. This has nothing to do with the economy when the mob ran this union everyone was union every airline that pushed cargo every trucker that picked up or dropped off in JFK. Not they way anymore as far as 295/851 goes I think the trusteeship worked to well. Lucky if the union will last another 10 years

I doubt it. One phone call to the feds, or John Kass, and they would be all over that place.

Even during the mob's heyday people told them to go f**k themselves all the time. Hell I can think of two people off the top of my head who told Harry Aleman to go f**k himself, Billy Logan and Anthony Reitinger.

If the mob tried to extort most people these days I think more than half of them would drop a dime without thinking about it and laugh as law enforcement came in and took everyone to prison.

Yeah I agree , the outfit is so small these days , activity is just way down

It's still a viable family IMO and $ is being made but their drop off the last 25 years might be the steepest of all the families.

Another big case that puts 10+ guys behind bars could really knock them down.

Probably the best thing that could happen to them is Nonose dying and that crew building itself back up . Right now they seem to be just legit and put LCN behind them

nick ferriola jr "made his bones" in this day and age by not ratting

he earned respect for not ratting and was a good bookie

him working at mccormick place ain't a shock but it is suspicious


@johnynonose

they just indicted people for extortion (they were syndicate related)

my friend works construction and he told me people still get chased down the street


@db

the people in Elmwood park and grand ave PROBABLY can't wait for difronzo to die

they're criminals that ain't applying their trade


@louiebynochi

good information on the teamster unions

So everybody thinks its a coincidence that Coli, Glimco and Romanazzi are top union leaders for the teamsters.


The only thing besides the fact that they're top teamster labor leaders, that they have in common. Is the fact that theyre all relatives to made members. They also were brought into the union by the mob in the 70s and 80s, when they, backed up by google, ran those unions.

Joseph Sensese was put into the union by Dominick Sense a made member of the Chicago mob. As we speak Joseph Senese is the national president of the workers union.

You guys actually think this is all a coincidence.None of you find this the least bit suspicious, considering the only other people to run these unions have Been mobbed up, some for 80 plus years.

In my opinion and also because I have common sense , if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.........


It's a duck.

What are you talking about. One thing your not realizing is THIS IS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DONE FOREVER. People don't just call the feds or Kass , 99 percent don't. They're not Gonna go into witness protection and give up they're life.
The mob most of the time doesnt need violence because of the reputation.

Just last month, that's July of 2013. Solly Delaurentis had his guy Mickey D pay 10k to Peter Carparelli to break someone's legs.
Once people watch the news and see family secrets, sarno blowing up buildings , Calabrese murdering people like caraminati,zizzo disappearing off the face of the earth. And Now Caparelli armed with guns and goons , it shakes people up.

And when was the last case, matter fact thanks because a lot of your posts have been great lately but what's your guesstimate on the outfits membership and activity.

Ivy,

Just because something has been indicted doesn't mean it didn't happen, it just means there's not enough evidence to prosecute.

For instance,
We know for a fact , based on FBI informants,affidavidts and surveillanc by not only them but the ATF as well, that as of 2008 , Frank "tootsie babe" Caruso was a Mob Capo turning over money to Street Boss Mike Sarno.
This money I'm sure wasn't legal, and they have surveillance and them meeting and speaking on cellular phones.
Also it was said that Sarno was kicking up money to John Difronzo as of then as well.

These guys havent been indicted since 94 , but it doesn't mean they're not operating.

I don't think anyone is saying there is no activity

The outfit is definately still a viable family with active crews and a structure

It just much smaller than in the past and the lack of indictments is a result

Of the reduced activity .

NY and NJ still has alot of activity and the level of indictments reflects the

High level of activity in alot of diverse areas , gambling , extortion , garbage,

Union , construction , high end marajuana wholesaling , lending, Internet fraud ,

Healthcare fraud etc .

I would say somewhere in the neighboorhood of 40members including those incarcerated and another 250 or so associates

Ivy,
I'm sure you have an exhaustive list, but the Caparelli case is currently winding its way through the Federal Court system and then last year you had Michael Sarno Convicted along with Casey Sarflazki. Sarflazki is big in Video Poker for the 26th street crew and his daughter recently married 26th street crew Capo Frank Carusos son , Frank Caruso jr, who's a convicted felon. He was convicted in 1997 for a racial beating , where the judge was sequestered admit reports of the mob putting a hit on his life, and. I'm sure like his father and uncles and grand father and great unles before him, a future member of the mob(if he's not already)

Rico Suit from 2011 charging James Glimco and Local 777 with extorting non union bus companies

http://laborunionreport.com/2011/12/teamsters-extorted-non-union-bus-companies-rico-suit-claims/

Rico suit from 2012 against Coli and William coli
http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/97836698
Allegations in the suit include "Vandalisim, witness intimidation and obstruction of justice"

http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport...-moves-forward/
During a hearing on Coli's miss use of the benefit funds , he told the court reporter "go fuck yourself"

Chicago sun times article from 2004 on Chicago and the teamsters
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-...-union-official

Article from 2007
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-...nt-review-board

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-...union-officials

"I can tell you that Chicago had the highest concentration that we observed of organized crime as it relates to the union of any place else"

People should'nt focus on this as a national union problem, it's a Chicago problem"

Are these labor issues LCN related ?

They seem more like civil disputes / matters

I agree with you as far as IBT Local 295 and JFK airport goes. Significant mob influence there was removed 20 years ago.



First, Nick Ferriola was identified as an associate in the Family Secrets case. Second, even if he had "made his bones" at some point (i.e. killing somebody), how would you know about it?



No, I don't think it's a coincidence at all. I have no doubt they obtained those positions through family connections.



I've addressed this point of yours several times before. This explanation may work in the short term but, as more time goes by, it becomes weaker and weaker.

Your problem is that it takes just the smallest bit of news or evidence for you to start running wild and making all sorts of claims, while filling in any unknown areas with guesswork.



More guesswork, considering the feds cited 25-30 members and a little over 100 associates.



Yes, I do have a pretty exhaustive list. Which helps me to see the big picture, over the past decade or so, and not single out one article or one bust.



That's a good question. Fosco brought his own civil RICO suit against DiFronzo and others.

Ivy,

No opinion on the fact that in the LAST 2 YEARS, BOTH Coli and Glimco have been named in RICO Suits that alledge Bill padding, missuse of funds, extortion, vandalism and witness intimidation?????

And what about Steir and James Kossler Stating that teamster problem wasn't a national problem but just a Chicago problem. Due to the corruption and the Chicago mob

Your more credible than James kossler and Ed Steir???
I'm not making this up I'm quoting very credible people, kossler and Steir are 2 of the most
reputable law enforcement officers in the fight against organized crime in American history.

@ivyleague

in the year 2k13 knowing someone won't rat is better than them being a murderer

i'm sure the southside can use him

Yeah I argree going away and not saying shit is almost the new requirement for making your bones. I think the term in itself makes people think murder but I think he showed he was capable and trustworthy.IMHO Nick F is gonna have a slot somewhere within the org, not for this reason but its his birthright.

Yes, I have an opinion on these things. But I don't come to the same exaggerated conclusion (based on wishful thinking more than anything else) that you come to. If you wouldn't get so carried away, as you often do, there wouldn't be that much disagreement.

You also have to realize that a non-government RICO civil suit is different than a RICO suit brought by the government, much less an indictment.

And the question remains, no matter how much you want to dance around it - even when Stier's internal investigation got squashed by the union, why wasn't anything picked up by the FBI or Department of Labor?



Oh, I see. So not only are you changing the definition of "making your bones," you're also now taking it upon yourself to label guys as made based on your own criteria.

@ivyleague


ain't nobody said ferriolla is made

common sense would tell you that knowing he's not a snitch is good enough in 2k13

Cookcounty shut up.

Nick f. Is no one special in the Outfit today, doubt he's even interested in it. He was never a hard head either.

I would bet when his parole experied he was ask if he wanted to make some cash, and working at McCormick isn't a bad gig. After all you can't be a gangster 24/7. That said I dont really think he's doing much the law has a hard-on for him so....

you know more about it than me

but aint nobody gonna tell him no if he's still interested in being a crook

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