Who did Vincent Rotondo and why?

Did they ever figure out who whacked Jimmy the Gent and why? He was supposed to be promoted to underboss and ended up shot to death in his car with a fish in his lap.

Nobody knows nothing huh?

I was told he died of a heart attack, so sad.

he died of lead poisoning

John gotti

Gotti did it. It's been said that at Rotondo's funeral, John Gotti met with John Riggi and Riggi walked out pale as a ghost. He said that the DeCavalcantes now answered to the Gambinos. Pretty obvious what happened.

Rotundo was a very powerful mobster. He was also based out of Brooklyn so we can only speculate what else the Gambinos had to gain.

sammy g. never knew, i think gotti had zero to do with it.. with all the informants in the gotti crew.nothing ever came out..for big secrets look to chin...he was a master . look what they did in philly

He was a New Jersey 'family' guy operating and living in Brooklyn. He should have stayed in Peterstown, lol. I thought I read either he was getting too powerful, and/or making NYC guys. Supposedly, he had a pretty profitable and powerful crew. Want to say that the pump and dump dude doing time now (Philip Abramo) was under him. IIRC. His son flipped and testified against made guys. He is mentioned in Michael Scars DiLeonardo's testimony, which can be found online. I think the only Brooklyn faction DeCav left on the streets is Danny Annuziata.

That was the theory after the hit, but if Gotti was behind it, then Gravano would have mentioned it when he flipped. As far as I know, all the hits ordered by Gotti were relayed to the capos through Gravano or he was present when it was discussed.

Wasnt he under indictment with a dentist and a few other made guys for a loan sharking racket that was being fronted by a quasi legit lending company ? one rumor was he vouched for some of the guys who flipped in that scam and made guys went to jail. I want to say michael franzese was one of the mobsters along with anthony capo and a guy named jesse hyman. I think hyman flipped.

heres my guess on why he got killed. he was a big shot on the docks in Brooklyn long controlled by the gambinos. the Genovese take him out traying to weaking the power base of the gambinos. gotti who had nothing to do with it gets pissed at the john riggi maybe cause he did or did not give the westside the permission to clip guy. gotti says now all 40 of you guys report to me. at the time gotti was trying to get more power in new jersey. the westside had taken over the philly family, at the time bobby manna and all the jersey guys got caught on tape plotting to kill gotti and gene. what better way of making a power play for jersey than taken over there family. maybe that's why gotti wanted to kill corky so bad cause he was like a Genovese guy. but in the end Sammy the bull gave up all the murders of gotti and rotondo never came up I don't even think his kid knows the truth to this day.

great theory..best i've heard yet..chin.. look at the four other families major guys flipped massino included..nobody has info..zero..hmmm..back to chin

That is a good theory pmac. I'm still leaning towards Gotti having him killed, if only because the easiest answer is most often correct. Whatever happened we can all agree no self respecting mafia boss would do such a counterproductive thing as kill off the one person who gave them power in New York, the mafia's Mecca. It would be like Frank Costello killing off Willie Moretti or Al Capone killing off Paul Ricca. New York was definitely the culprit.

You think Gotti did him and Gravano forgot about the hit when he flipped but he remembered all the other hits and crimes going back to his days as a Ramper? Okay

Pmac definitley has a good theory, if you look at it besides the Genovese, you had top guys from every family, from that period flip , Gravano, Casso, Vitale, don't know about Colombos but they don't matter lol, what im saying is you think one of those people would of at least mentioned it.

If you'll go off of what little facts we have, then yes I do. Rotondo held sway on the Brooklyn Waterfront and was making guys from that area. Why would the Genovese care then, unless they were trying to set up Gotti, you say? They could have been. But it's only speculation. Anthony Rotondo, a direct source agrees with me. Ill agree to disagree with you. I don't think the Genovese are sloppy enough to directly let the entire DeCavalcante Family fall in to Gotti's lap. I believe it was his power grab.

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he introduced a guy (jesse hyman) into a scam that had many made guys participating then hyman ratted them out. why is that so unbelievable ?

You saying gotti did it is "only speculation" as well. How would his son know for sure ask yourself.

Of course his son wouldn't know for sure. What his son did know was that after the wake, the DeCavalcantes answered to Gotti and I really just have a hard time believing someone as smart as Chin would kill Rotondo and have the end result help the Gambinos. I think Chin was smarter than that. You're right my theory is only speculation. I'm not trying to pass it off as fact, I'm just saying the clues to me point towards Gotti and not the Genovese. Simple as that. The rest of you can fuck off, Aliens, jesus.

im just guessing. asking questions. vinny ocean would have put this on john riggi or anthony capo(when they flipped 2000) I know ocean was a Brooklyn guy maybe capo. so I guess im ruling riggi/decavs out of the equation. the fred/s.i. guy was killed before or after rotondo hit. maybe gotti did do the hit, but gravano was the Brooklyn guy he never put this hit on gotti but every other one. I always read that docks were split in 2. westside had new jersey and florida gambinos bk/si. the decavs always had a big Brooklyn crew goin back to sam th plum. corky,whitey,db$$$ who got took over by big paul and a lot others. sam2222 your probably right could you just elaborate on the scam this jesse guy did. who was the underboss for the decavs at the time the gay guy who was close to gotti. I don't believe the whole gotti made riggi afraid at the funeral thats just rotondo's son trying to make riggi look like a pussy from the stand, whne he would never make his bones himself. bosses have to respect each other in person novmatter how small a family, espeacially in front of made guys.seems like they were good friends. could use them in a war against chin goes back to why gotti wanted morris levys good friend corky dead. maybe he step on some loansharks territory or numbers spot. colombos have the biggest presence there. what was his positon on the docks?

no way it was gotti.

if you ask anthony rotundo today..i would say he feels differently about gotti doing his father

Perhaps John Riggi did the hit, and didn't clear it with Gotti beforehand, and as punishment he made the Decavalcantes report to him as punishment for it. Hence is why nobody knows nothing. Either that or it was aliens.

If Riggi ordered the hit, why would Palermo have to know about it unless the hit was assigned to him or his crew? At the time, Palermo was only a young capo at most.

I just can't buy that Gotti was behind it and Gravano forgot about the hit. Killing a powerful capo of another family and basically taking over that family is a pretty big move. That would have been their second biggest hit after Big Paul. There is no mention of the hit in his testimony or book.

Vinny was just a solider at the time, Riggi gets pissed because of him brining that rat in, and clips him, makes sense.

alright got a new guess sam2x you pointed it out think you know more but ill guess. rontondo was indicted in 1984 with a bunch of famous guys and a smart loanshark empire. lenny demirra carlo v and Anthony Napoli of the gambinos the prince Michael fransese benny aloi and2 or 3 other big guys o frank distephano. this case never made headlines Julie sweept it under a rug. anyway 15 guys get indicted for loansharking a million out of the dipolmate hotel in manhatten but the gangsters used legit people like rabbi's teaches garmit guy and a dentist dr. jesse hyman. the legit guys put out word to legit guys looking for loans the families made bank and when it went to trial in 1985 all the gangsters walked and the 8 legit guys went down. dr jesse hyman flipped gave up the dentistry kick back program he worked out for all the members of the union brookln docks guys and the mob. big money, buffalo crime family sent him to work for rotondo and riggi. so it goes back to riggi taken out his underboss rotondo.i never heard of this loanshark case were fransese even walked he never talks about it. that was a big win for the mafia against Julie. google dr jesse hyman pops up. riggi took him out sneaky so he couldn't get caught in the dentist/union kickbacks.

its not so fresh in my mind but I believe franzese was the one who speculated that rotundo was killed for that. i have heard him talk about the case before.On A documentary maybe ? He is the only person with mob credentials say that is why he got it. Who said Gotti or the genoveses killed him or is that a guess ? Not being a smart ass just wondering where you guys heard that ?

The dentist. Rotondo was a great man.

vr705 were the shooter from the jersey family or was it one of the nycs. any reason why the son thought it was gotti but Sammy the bull never said it was?

Was it one of Rotondo's crew, who operated under him out of NY, but was in the NJ family? No. Without a doubt no. Was it one of the NJ based men who operated out of NJ or even other parts of NY? Possibly. It's possible this came from within. Like I said, the dentist, by that I refer to Jesse Hyman, being introduced to the family might have had something to do with it. Also, don't forget the possibility that Rotondo made a comment about Gaspipe Casso, which may have led to the Lucchese's ordering it. However, I personally doubt the validity in that. I'm torn between that and the elder Gotti being weary of Rotondo's power. If you're ruling out Gotti solely because of Sammy the Bull, I would say to think again. How do you know for sure that he admitted to every murder but Rotondo's? There might have been more. Jimmy's own family does not know the actual truth, so I guess the world may never know. It's a shame, though. He was a great man.

so did a little looking. the last time his son Anthony rotondo testified at jr gotti's trial in 2005, jr lawyers ask him arnt you just made you blame jrs dad for your fathers death like you told the fbi in 2003 debriefings. hes says no I think it was the head of the 5 families. but it happened in Brooklyn and al d'arco,casso and fat pete were all Brooklyn guys and none of them ever admitted knowing about the hit in January 1988 at the height of vic amuso power and casso's. so it goes backe to me thinking it had to be chin and the westside. he mite have asked riggi;s ok most likely cause he was about rules and had westside guys do the hit. then gotti got pissed had 40 gambinos go to the funeral and surpousily chewed out riggi. carmine sessa never said it was the colombos and scarpa would have told the fbi. rotondo and 7 other mobster beat the loansharking charges in 1985 why wait till 88 to kill, unless the knew there was a upcoming indictment for the dentist union kickback progam, but even after he got hit there was no indictment. mystery. if the killers came from the riggi family vinny ocean would have known he was a capo. had to be chin. 1988 was the yr were gotti and chin were both making moves for total control on nj like a chess game. Genovese scarfo family got wipe out in 87 and nj was up for grabs.

I doubt that the turn out at Rotondo's wake was because Gotti was pissed, first off. Was it a show of power? Probably. Rotondo was very powerful in Brooklyn, which also means he had working relationships with many men, some from Gotti's crew, therefore they went out of respect. He was a very well-respected and well loved man. He practically ran the waterfront; he worked with Alberto Anastasia. I also doubt that Riggi personally approved this hit. Riggi and Rotondo respected each other well enough and to my knowledge were friends. Rotondo introduced Jessie Hyman to the family, and them Hyman turned over financial records to the Federal authorities. That action on Hyman's part nullified Rotondo's omerta. I have my reservations in terms of Casso ordering the hit. I still doubt that. The Chin was another theory that I had floated around for a while. Chronologically it makes sense, and many do believe it, but I'm still not really convinced. I feel like Vinny Ocean might have known about the hit; I doubt that Riggi directly ordered it, but I feel like Ocean knew. I know he was very close with the Rotondos, but the fact that Jimmy was found with a jar of fish on his lap always signaled me to Ocean, who owned a fish store. The only reason the hit would have come from within would have been because of Hyman. I don't think the hit's order came directly from one of the NY men who Rotondo worked with, but I never said I doubted it could have come from an NJ sanctioned member.

Wasn't this around the time that Gotti began to distrust Sammy The Bull, as we've been led to believe from various wiretaps and agents? If so, it's not that hard to believe that Gotti stopped feeding him literally everything he knew about.

Why would Gravano hold back on the Rotondo hit after he flipped? Why would he admit to 19 murders, including Castellano, but not admit to the Rotondo hit? Rotondo was a very powerful guy, so it's not likely that Gravano would not remember.

Mobsters badmouth each other all the time. Rotondo was hit in January 1988. Gravano was made underboss sometime in 1988 or 1989. Gotti was planning and discussing hits with Gravano up to the end. The Garofalo and DiBono hits both went through Gravano in 1990.

I doubt Vinny Ocean would have done Rotondo without permission from the boss and been stupid enough to put the fish on his lap to let everyone know about it.