Murder Attempt on Teddy Roe 1951

Some of the major Black players from back in the days was Teddy Roe.Born on August 26, 1898, in Galliana, Louisiana,he was the last of the policy kings,Ed Jones prodigy,who worked as a bookkeeper and had a part of their policy operation.He was a tuff guy and was called Robin Hood in the black community of Chicago.He controlled all the gambling between Roosevelt and Halsted Street.The reason he was big is because he didn’t take any shit from the white mob.Theres a rumour that one day on a Nat King Cole show ,on the Westside of Chicago at the Boogie Woogie bar,Teddy Roe grabbed Sam Giacana and threatened to kill him if Sam didnt back off.The Chicago mob tried to scare Roe and get him out of the business many times.They threatened his family and he was also takin death calls all the time.Theres a story that Giancana even offered Roe,half a million dollars to leave town,but Roe refused.It is not known why Sam(known for his deadly reputation)waited to kill Roe so much time remains a mistery(wich i highly doubt that Sam was scared).Maybe Sam never met a black gangster like Teddy Roe before.

So one night,on June 19 1951 Teddy Roe was driving his Lincoln through the streets of Chicago and suspicious car was driving behind him and following him.The guys behind him were Sam's hitman,"Fat" Leonard(brother of Marshall Joseph Caifano),Jimmy "New York" and Vincent Loli.Roe stopped his Lincoln on the sidewalk and with all of his courage and got off the car.He was in company with three of his bodyguards.The three Chi hitman also stopped their car and got out and started walkin towards Roe,wich all hell broke loose.Theres a rumour that the killers identified themselves as state attorney police.Roe and his bodyguards started shooting their guns at Fat Leonard wich half of his head got blown off.Jimmy New York managed to get back in the car but Vincent wasnt so lucky.He was shot in the arm but survived.Both of the hitmen escaped with their car,but left Fat Leonard Caifano lying dead on the street.When the police arrived,there were no witnesses and the investigation uncovered no hard evidence about what had really happened. The two hitmen that escaped almost got killed by the Outfit cuz of leaving the dead body of Fat Lenny on the street.The killing of Fat Lenny shocked the Mob.

Later Teddy Roe was charged with the murder of Fat Lenny but later on the charges were dropped and Roe was hailed by the black comunity as a hero.Roe told to the reporters, "They'll have to kill me to take me." Wich later they did murder him.

From what I read Giancana hatched the plan while in prison serving with a few of the black "policy" kings who told him about the racket. I think the big one was Eddie Jones.

Then Sam got out and took it over!

Nice friend!

Where did you find this Toddo? Any link to a source? Or are you busy working?

Yeah all of the black gangsters back than knew Sam was a snake,but they had no choice.


Hairy,please grow up.Your a 40 year old guy for god's sake.Ohhh the shame.....if you have something to contribute pls do it,if not,go away.You can always skip this site youknow?!

Well, I just want to find out where I can read more on the subject. Extremely childish of you not to help out.

Your childlish attempts to destroy other peoples threads are sad.IIts not for me to say but i think the mods should ban your ass forever,but time will tell...

Well if you think asking for a source or a link is a way to destroy threads around here, I can only feel sad for you. But don´t worry...you´re used to it.

well if you take all of your info from internet links than....good for you and sad at the same time.Common Hairy why dont you google it....common feed us with your knowledge?!

the policy wars between the outfit and black policy guys is very well documented in a book called "kings". it has a lot of history on the chicago black policy wheels and also a lot of interesting stories involving the outfit from the 40's and 50's. i believe this particular story posted is also in the book. you can read more here

http://policykings.com/

Thanx RollinBones

capone let the black belt operate unimpeded

sam giancana was an asshole because policy bosses had more money than him

he took over for roughly 20 years before he wasn't welcome

Anything a man is strong enough to take and hold onto, belongs to him. Obviously, Giancana and his Taylor St. men were strong enough to take it.

Giancana was an asshole? Why? He was gangster just like the Black Policy people.

Why would it bother you that Giancana and his Crew took over the Policy 60 fucking years ago way before you were even born?
If the Policy people were white you have not even cared in the least.

You make the most blatant Rascist comments of anyone on this Forum. I don't even think you realize it when you do it.

It just comes out naturally from your mouth.

I didn't see anything racist with what Cook said.

TECHNICALLY you're correct. But, if you knew Cook Count's history of comments, you would see that He only complains about something that happens against Black people, like in this case, by calling Giancana an asshole because he took over the Black Policy 60 years ago. Giancana was a gangster. That's what Gangsters do.
I repeat, he would have never complained about it if the Policy people were white.
Cook County sees everything as White versus Black.
That is the point. If you don't see it, go on his posting history and then you will get the picture very clearly. LOL.

Toodoped, Another guy they got rid of in the early 1950's was a Black Policy guy named Jim Martin. Grande Ave with Cerone and another made guy in the crew, who I can't remember right now, went after Martin and scared him into fleeing to Mexico.

I'll say this for Teddy Roe. The guy had balls and went down like a man. He was much more difficult to kill than Martin who got scared off very easily.

I know deep down inside , Mooney respected Roe and probably regretted having to kill him. Roe was stubborn and turned down every proposal Giancana offered to him.

giancana using his judges, politicians, police to raid operations and jail people?

giancana killing people on a racist/homicidal rampage is righteous?

giancana kidnapping people because they had more money of them is upstanding?

pretending to be someone's friend and then backstabbing them is okay to u?

sometimes what goes around comes around

1) Giancana using Politicians etc.
Yes, that's what all Mafia people do in power.

2) Giancana didn't kill anyone in a racist rage. He took over the Policy. It was business. That's what gangsters do, including Black Gangsters.

3) Giancana took over the Policy. That's what the Outfit does as a business, just like Black Gangsters attempt to do.

4) Teddy Roe wasn't Giancana's friend. LOL

5) Correct. That's why Roe got killed and later, Giancana got killed. That's the life.

If the Policy people had been White, you wouldn't care at all.
Everything is a White versus Black situation for you.

Therefore, You are a Black Racist.
It's okay, just admit it and stop pretending not to be.

Cook county, Capone let the black belt run unimpeded as the Outfit really had no clue as to how much money they were really making. It was Giancana who discovered how rich they were getting and muscled in when he got out of the joint. Do u really think race had anything to do with that? If Roe were Irish or full Sicilian do you really think they'd have left him alone? Lol please..

+1

Cook,Youve been dick riding the outfit on here for months despite every1 else telling u how racist they were over and over again, and now after one report of it actually happening, u go a full three sixty into the victim mode.the fuck?

Capone made a deal with the blacks no bootlegg and he will stay out the numbers.Eddie Jones f*ck up when he was lock up with Sam and told him how it work and all the cash he was making,and Sam run with it.

I don't know why my last post didnt post lol (dumbass smartphone) but I was amused by Dellacroce and the "dick-riding" comment that is becoming prevalent out here lol...Dellacroce is right, though..;) Cook County you have been known to do so..:) THESE ARE GANGSTERS !!!! THEY HAVE NO MERCY !!! LOL get off Big Al..:)

Cook County is not respected by anybody on this Forum.
On the other hand, Black Family, the other poster who handles the Black street gang threads is credible and a man to be respected.

Cook County is like a fucking whining little girl who needs to get Bitch slapped every time he starts that whining irritating complaining about being a victim a Big Bad Whitey.

Very UNMANLY. Would Never make it in the gangster world. Teddy Roe was 1,000 times the man of Cook County.

Cook county is lik the opposite of a cinderilla story.she started off outfit cheerleader with the pom poms and pigtails and now shes like the pathetic red headed stepdaughter that gets beaten.

@fwhite


that pretty much sums it up

then the stones and disciples came around, plus the legalization of the racket

I'd also add Scorcese to this who usually posts about Black street crime and is in now way like cookcounty.

I dont believe that teddy roe and giancana were friends

but giancana DID "befriend" a policy king. I forgot which one. They became friends in prison. Thats where sam learned about how profitable the numbers rackets really were. He then backstabbed his "friend" by kidnapping him and forcing him to give over the racket and then telling him to leave town. He fled to Mexico i believe.....

There was a policy king in the New England area that had a young patriarca as one of his body guards. Its rumored that patriarca conspired with mobsters out of N.Y , and some of the policy kings own men , to kill him and take over his rackets also. Dont know how credible the rumors are though

Eddie Jones is who u thinking of ManGauge

WHY CAMAREL!!!!

Is it cause of this post a couple of days ago.


I was only joking. If it makes you feel better ill say she didn't love it from now on.

What am i a fucking clown, im here to amuse you?!

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE, TOMMY !!!!...:) LOL

Hey Cook, what's the numbers scene like in Chicago? Its mostly the Hispanics that run the bolita from the corner stores here in NYC.

Moe g was the greatest gangster of them all, dominated & urinated upon his competition. You don't achieve what he did by being an honorable, nice businessman. His death was inevitable, and it had nothing to do with "what comes around goes around". It was a sad, sorry day for the Chicago Outfit though. It was never the same for the Outfit on a whole.

Tony accardo may be praised for his "longevity", but even throughout his lengthy "reign", he didn't do what Sam G did FOR THE CHICAGO OUTFIT. Not for himself, not for his crew, but for the greater good & constant expansion of the Chicago Outfit as a whole.

Huron, I didn't know you had it in you! Excellent posting and very true.

@da13

if they're any numbers being ran it's on a small scale



@huronsocial

giancana's reign was short, high profile, and had the feds swarming the city

I don't see how he's praised for bringing heat to his crew

9 years isn't short. The Outfit continued very well after he left the Country with all the things he had brought to the table and accomplished during those 9 years. Plus, while he out of the Country, he did well on International things.

^^^^^^^

giancana probably had a good 5 years before shit started falling apart

he just didn't up and leave after having a bad winter

not too mention paul ricca was the true power

So, What's your Racist point now? What are crying about now?
You hate Sam Giancana. Fine, like He really cares since He's been dead for 38 years.
I can tell you that Giancana had 1,000 times more respect for Teddy Roe than He would for a Faggy little whining Bitch like you.

+10 Respect.

Thank You Black Family, you are a man to be respected.

Just because a man can take something doesn't make it his it makes that man a theif and bully. Giancana was an asshole because he betrayed the trust of Ed Jones he was an asshole for many reasons, and apparently some of the uppper players in the Outfit thought so too because they whacked his ass. Even FBI agent and author Bill Romer had very little respect for Giancana, while he had very much respect for Tony Accardo. By the way the Policy guys WERE NOT gangsters. Racketers maybe. Them not being gangsters was one of the reasons the Outfit was able to take over the Poicy rackets. Also they Outfit did take over white and Italian Policy Banks as well

Hell they are gangsters. That's what they all did! Giancana may have been a notable SOB but so were two dozen other guys I could name. Accardo may have not done a ton of dirty work himself but he almost certainly signed off on the deaths of hundreds.

You know how he got his nickname I assume.

In Chicago the Numbers Game replaced the Policy gamge, and the state lottery pretty much replaced the numbers games. Numbers is still being played but it's no where near the scale it was back in the day. People often refer to it as booking the lottery numbrs because a lot of the numbers bankers use the lottery number as their number. But most people stick with the state lottery. Because with those you are guaranteed to get your money. In the street lottery if you hit to big a number often times you won't get paid.

There was a code within the Black community about not working with the Italian mafia also knwn as the Spigoosh however, Eddie Jones was the man and he decided or the Black Polick Kings to work with Giancana and thus invited the wolf into the hen house.

Policy King, Oh, I get it. The poor Black Policy Operators were not gangsters, only the big bad Taylor St Crew.
Is that why Lenny Caifano got killed by them, because they weren't gangsters also?
The Black Policy operators were fucking saints, like you personally knew them back in 1951. LOL.

Accardo did a ton of dirty work, he just wasn't as ambitious. Giancana took the south side with reckless abandon, and was trying to control the Philippino whore trade, for Christs sake. Yeah, he was an asshole, but only to those who opposed the expansion of the Chicago Outfit.

Policy King, You should listen to your Paisan, Black Family. He's not a Cry Baby.

No offense, but you're almost starting to sound like a Cry Baby victim saying Giancana was a gangster but the Policy Operators were not gangsters. The Policy people shot and killed Lenny Caifano! Giancana and Marshall Caifano didn't cry about it like little girls, They just took care of fuckin' business and took it over. THEY WERE ALL GANGSTERS!! What's wrong with you? Get real.

Giancana's first loyalty was to his Boss, Paul Ricca, and to expanding the Outfit like Huron said above me.
Deal with it, gangsta man.

I notice that no one mentioned that Teddy Roe and other major policy kings formed the Big 12 Syndicate that held a monopoly like grip over the numbers game and kept the Oufit out of the business for 20 years until attrition wore them down and teddy was the last one. I already made post with the article , google Big 12 Syndicate and my post should be top 5. On the note of rather Policy Kings are gangsters or racketeers, I say it depends on the individually. Teddy Roe & Bumpy Johnson are more of gangster types, while Casper Holstein was a racketeer.

the outfit took over every ethnicity, African American rackets not being any different. The only difference was that they weren't able to keep hold of it as long. Policy kings were somewhat like politicians because they were in control of a key economic activity in the black community and had some connections to city government that helped protect policy game. I can see policy kings point that they were more racketeers than gangsters, however it wasn't exactly a legal business to begin with.

When policy kings ruled
Numbers game made fortunes for underworld bosses, helped shape Chicago's fabled Democratic machine
March 10, 2013|By Ron Grossman | Chicago Tribune reporter
Long before the state of Illinois figured out how to make big money from gambling, mobsters devised "a 50 million dollar a year business in nickels and dimes," as the Tribune reported in 1950.

Called "policy" — the game took bets for as little as a penny — it was the Monte Carlo of the working class, the Las Vegas of the down and out. Especially popular in the African-American community, the game was decried by preachers and beloved of politicians, who could depend on hefty campaign contributions from the policy kings. The men who ran the policy wheels were some of the wealthiest in the black community when the corporate suites were off-limits to people of color.

Runners, as the game's street-level vendors were known, often doubled as precinct captains, and the game helped shape the fabled Chicago machine. Because of the obscene amounts of money involved, policy corrupted officeholders and police alike, while making fortunes for underworld types and providing crime reporters with a steady stream of colorful tales.

Despite the name, they weren't like a casino's roulette wheel, but a cylinder from which numbered balls were drawn, similar to what Illinois adopted when it created its lottery in 1974. Last week, Gov. Pat Quinn again vetoed a gambling expansion bill, though lawmakers already have new legislation in the pipeline, which will no doubt spark debate on all sides of the thorny issue.

The old-time policy bosses attacked questions like market share and division of profits with a simple set of tools: guns and dynamite. They had little patience for the argument that gambling is, at best, a vice, and at worst, an addiction.

In 1903, a black pastor, the Rev. R.C. Ransom sermonized on the evils of policy, whereupon his church was bombed. Ransom said he wouldn't be intimidated, the Tribune reported: "Nevertheless he announced he would carry the revolver which lay beneath his bible when he was preaching on Sunday night."

Yet for all their muscle, the gangsters who ran betting operations with intriguing names like the Spaulding-Silver-Dunlap wheel confronted business expenses that the operators of today's licensed casinos don't face, as Theodore Roe explained to a federal investigating committee in 1950. Roe testified that the wheel he operated with a partner grossed $1 million a year, but that it all wasn't gravy.

"Every time you turn around you have to spend something," said Roe, a big shot in the policy rackets. "And then for courts, lawyers, fines, all kinds of raids."

Raids there certainly were. "Policy Men See Writing On Wall" read the headline for a 1903 Tribune story of the cops shutting down 150 policy wheels. "Police Raid Swank Policy Depot" was the headline for a 1949 story of a rare, upscale betting parlor. There were grand jury investigations galore. "Indict 3 Policy Kingpins!" a 1951 Tribune headline proclaimed. Under virtually the same headline 11 years before, the Tribune had reported a previous indictment of the same three racketeers.

Indeed, there were so many raids and grand jury probes, you might think the cops and prosecutors weren't really trying that hard. When police Capt. John Golen was asked by a City Council committee in 1945 to assess the war on policy, the Tribune reported: "'We are trying to get the first conviction,' Golden replied. He said he did not recall anyone being convicted on a policy arrest."

No sooner would a policy boss be taken into custody than a lawyer would show up to bail him out. One mob mouthpiece even brought with him an obliging jurist, Judge George Lancelot Quilici, to demand the release of his client, Tony Accardo, who was moving in on the policy rackets in 1951 while making himself "capo di tutti capi," boss of all the bosses, of Chicago's mafia.

That same year, the Tribune editorialized on the slim chances of stamping out numbers betting: "It isn't likely to happen while it is a reasonable supposition that police officers work as body guards for policy kings, and other officers in the areas concerned have incomes many times their salaries."

Policy's corrupting influence was greatest on the South and West sides, the numbers being especially popular in black neighborhoods where residents bore the double burden of poverty and discrimination. The odds against winning were considerable — even if the wheel was honest — but buying a policy ticket from a runner who made the rounds of newsstands and barbershops offered a modicum of hope where it was a rare commodity. Case in point: Getting caught was no deterrent. Arrested bettors would jot down the cop's badge number for future wagers.

Policy also provided thousands of jobs where employment opportunities were scarce, and inspired at least one spinoff industry — the publication of "dream books" that were touted for providing clues to a winning number.

Wasn't Lenny Caifano killed by Teddy Roe in self defense; trying to repel a kidnapping ordered by Giancana?

Yes. But the point is that they were all gangsters. Teddy Roe and his people were gangsters as were the Outfit.
That's the point.

A gangsters is a gangsters only color is green with them.

One might think so, but look at all the gangs and mobs. They are all ethnic. Some may work with other ethnic groups, but the core of the gang is always ethnic. It has to do with trust and familiarity.

First african gambling king in Chicago was Mushmouth Johnson,somewhere around 1906.He was even involved in political bribery and election fraud.

Now for thouse that think Teddy Roe was THAT much of a hard core gangster,well at the Kefauver hearings he did testify about policy operations in Chicago and even named some people including Chicago mobster Pat Manno,who was under Accardo i think.After a while Accardo,Manno and Guzik were indicted.

They didnt just scared him,Cerone shot Martin and thought he was dead.But Martin was lucky,survived and run away to Mexico.I think that they even bombed his house.It was a real torture for the black policy kings in thouse days

I didn't know that information. Teddy Roe testified at the Kefauver Hearings? I should have known that fact.
Pat Manno was a made guy on the South Side. You may be right about him being direct with Ricca/Accardo from years ago. Either that or he belonged to Frank LaPorte. To Be honest, I don't know.
I can tell you 95% of all the Made Guys and who they belonged to and pretty much what their main function was in the Outfit during that time period. Manno's main function was Policy on the South Side. He had a couple of brothers in his crew. Just don't know if he belonged to Chicago Heights or if he was direct with Ricca/Accardo and then of course Mooney would have inherited him.

Ha Ha you're right! concerning Big Jim Martin, Very good. Cerone even complained that the shelling he used was old stuff.

Do you think that Cerone was a goofy guy?

Soooooooo, Big Bad Teddy Roe was not only a Gangster, but he was also a Rat. Well, no wonder Giancana came after him. He was doing his duty to the gangster world by killing an informer. All you Teddy Roe fans can now go fuck yourselves.

Theres some info that back in the 60's on the south side of Chicago,Lawrence Wakefield was a big player in the policy rackets,but he was a that much of a low profile guy that the outfit didnt know about his wealth

I wanna give my last opnion on this thread and that is.....in the end the Outfit got what they wanted,most of the black gangsters ran away,went 6 feet under ground or switched sides.A very little number of guys got away with it and never got touched.In general the black policy kings did not fight back,some of em even snitched their own buddies in crime and never gave back anything to their community,and even funnier thing is that most of the black community didnt boycott the policy operations.The Chicago outfit had it all.cheers

Jackie cerone was most certainly no goof. He was a prolific gangster that dominated elmwood park for many years. He was just a prick/tyrant

Yeah your right,maybe i used the worng word.

Cerone was a cheapskate and not very popular with his own men.
He was basically a Cheap Prick. However, He was a very smart Gangster. Aligned himself with Accardo, Became Boss of Elmwood Park and then became basically Co-Boss of the Entire Outfit.

Was also smart enough to survive Giancana who didn't like him at all and wanted to kill him. Accardo saved Jack many times.
Cerone was very good in running gambling. No, he was an asshole, but a very smart Mafioso. I have to give the Devil his due.

On more additional note, I read that Mickey Cogwell was the last big policy runner before he was killed.

I don't doubt that cogwell operated policy but his murder wasn't outfit related

Cogwell and the Blackstone Rangers(i think) with the backing of the Chicago Outfit,controlled policy racket in the black community

how many hits did jackie cerone do i hear he did 4 or 5 hits any one know any more hits he did there are FBI files you can read of him talking about the hit on big jim martin and others he did @ chicago do you know any more info about jackie cerone ?

Teddy Roe tells his side of the story.

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1951/...jones-kidnaping

you got any news report on big jim martin shooting what jackie cerone talk about on the the FBI Bug it happen in 1950