Mousie gets 16 years

The last link is most recent

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130711_Feds__Mousie_has_fangs.html

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/07/prosecutors-want-20-years-for-mob.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20130712_Mob_underboss_gets_nearly_16_years_in_prison.html

This whole trial was silly. Ive never been a mob groupie but the govermenent won't rest until the mob is done. Instead of going after some real criminals...especially in Philly.

He gets 16 years for no violent crimes the same day that Massino walks free. Doesn't seem fair.

How much time has he served already? Any chance of early parole?

16 years for poker machines gambling loansharking. But if you pay the government for those things it's perfectly fine!

poor bastard

you think those champagne glasses are still cold?

He received 16 years because he's a career criminal with multiple felony convictions. Let's call a spade a spade here. Prior convictions have always come into play during sentencing. Let's stop with the whole "he got 16 years for gambling" bs. Mousie's no angel and had this coming.

Not saying he's an angel but it's pretty hypocritical. Especially how Massino just got out after only serving 10 years for 8 murders. Makes a lot of sense!

Massino cooperated, Massimino didnt. If Massimino offered to give up the goods on Ligambi and Merlino he'd be out in a year. He knows it. Doubt he'd do it, but thats how the game works.

You beat me to it tjonezee,that's exactly right.It sounds like everybody is saying Massino got 10 years for 8 murders when that's not the case.Like you said he gives somebody up he walks plain and simple.His lawyers wanted 4-6 yrs. if that was the case with the 2 yrs. and 2 mths.already served he would be out by this time next yr.His rap sheet is way too long for that.

The game is a joke. The state condones a world where you rat out your friends like a little fa***t motherfucker than do your time like a fuckin man.

Whether thats true or not, these guys know how it works when they get involved. And not for nothing, but Massimino probably added a couple years to his sentence by acting like a jerkoff in front of the judge throughout the trial. A dose of humility would have served him better.

Let's not forget this is the mob we are talking about here. Guys are killed by their friends and even by their relatives at times. So acting like there is honor involved with the mob is something which is, has, and always will be something that is just fantasy.

Fuck that. If you were facing 20 for video poker machines you might be possessing a little bitterness towards the state. Take away the rico, take away the vowel at this man's last name? 16 months tops.

do you know how many drug dealers that nobody in his neighborhood even knew got close to or way more than 16 years for having less than 400$ worth of boy or girl?

that ain't even a smidget of a fraction of the amount of money mousie made in his criminal career. he actually got off light if we're being realistic and if he's guilty of said crimes

With 6 prior felony convictions? lol. Stop, you have no idea what you're talking about.

So you think a guy with 6 felonies who gets charged iwth operating a few joke poker machines would get 16 years?

He's the #2 guy in the mob. Stop with the mock outrage. I'm not surprised even a little.

OH yes. I forgot. The ALL POWERFUL number 2 in the ALL POWERFUL PHILLY mafia; with its 20 members, 10 of whom are over 70. Yes yes, terrible indeed.

Prior convictions should not be considered in sentencing.
If a criminal is incarcerated for a crime and serves his time then he should be considered punished and his debt paid to society.
Considering precious transgressions for current sentencing (which this judge did) is repunishing him for crimes he has already paid his due. In effect punishing him twice.

Lets call a spade a spade: he was convicted on gambling (poker machines). 16yrs is a joke.

Lets be honest, only suckers play fair! There's a war going on in the streets and both sides are out for blood, if he would have caught that judge in his world he would have played him for a dope too, people do more crying on here than the one's who actually gets locked up

What were the convictions for? More gambling related felonies? When it comes to the mob, j-walking is a felony.

The point is that's moronic that we are still charging people with gambling related charges. On one side of the state's mouth- it hands out felonies, on the other, it runs the biggest numbers and lottery rackets in the world. Shit I see commericals for these horrific, life-destroying gambling games- but they are run by the state itself. I guess the lesson is that state doesn't want competition.

This was a weak case, weak charges and a moronic sentencing. The FBI needs to be monitoring the psychos that commit crimes like boston and fort hood- and stop pretending its 1950s and we are dealing with MASSIVE conspiratorial crime syndicates. Philly is a fucking street gang.

Yea, because as a society, we want mass/serial killers like Massino, Gaspipe and Sammy the Rat on the street. On the other hand, we are really worried about people providing services that have been offered and demanded since the beginning of humankind.


On the other hand, if gambling providers should be given 20 years- every state governor should go away for ever.

he should have took the plea

Everybody keeps saying go after the real criminals,as far as I could see the prisons are full of them.I mean how many mob guys actually make up the population at federal or state prisons.I'd say barely a fraction and these prisons are full so there must be other criminals in there besides mob guys.So I guess they are locking up other criminals also.Also this thing where priors should not count.If me and you both get picked up for gambling and its your 15th arrest for that and my first,we should get the same sentence,something doesn't sound right there.

+1 LittleNicky

Priors do count they have laws called 3 strikes and career criminal, and for the people who says its only gambling??? What about the victims of gambling??? Those that are addicted to it, those that get beat up or killed for not paying a debt back, gambling and loansharks go hand and hand, the victims is the ones u should be worried about, not these guys, going to jail is a part of the job

Victims of gambling? Are they like the victims of fast food, beer, cigs, the plethora of everyday decisions that many of us make because this is a free country that might not be good for us? God forbid people make ill advised decisions- they are not victims of anything but their limited mental capacity.

If you really feel this way- do you think EVERY state governor should go to prison for feeding this horrific gambling addiction (ie lottery, power ball, legalized gambling insitutions)

You would think after 6 (at least one of which was for narcotics trafficking)felony convictions maybe he would have said enough is enough. The judge sees him for what he is; a repeat offender, hence the extended dentence. It works that way for everyone, not just so called mobsters. No one put a gun to his head and forced this lifestyle upon him. He knows the score. It's the price of doing business in his line of work.

Wait until Canalichio gets 12 years. Are we going to act surprised and outraged then?

http://www.bigtrial.net/2013/07/prosecutors-want-20-years-for-mob.html

What exactly is mousie meant to have done? Realise the errors of his ways age 60, go back to university, study hard for 8years to become a doctor and age 68 start working at the local hospitals as an intern?

He's not exactly employable now is he?

Career criminal? Sure. But he's not got a fuck load of options now has he? That's why, when he pays his dues. He's PAID HIS DUES.

12 years aged 62 for gambling is long, hard and excessive.

Stop being a criminal? Just because he's a felon means he can't try and go straight? Interesting logic.

The point is. 16 years is excessive. He was acquitted on all the substantive predicates except the conspiracy charge. Thats all I am saying. Its a trumped up charge thats all it is.

And do what exactly?

Aged 62, career criminal, half his adult life in jail? Seriously? Do what?


Run for congress?

Finally. Thank you. At least somebody here gets it. They won't admit it but the reason some people on the forums are bitching about this is because they're rooting for these guys.

Sentencing is way out of line. Whatever he did in past does not justify 16 years on a gambling charge. It's not possible to go shopping without having lottery tickets in your sight, ann watching news without seeing at least one lottery commercial is impossible. Signs on highways urge us to play lottery. Gambling is all over, in our faces, but only politicians want to have their political hacks run it. Judge was very over the top here. No justification for this.

You're preaching to the choir as far as legalized gambling goes. It is hypocritical and the state shouldn't be involved in it. But that doesn't excuse Massimino and other mob guys for engaging in it. And the crimes he's committed in the past do justify the long sentence he got. He's proven time and time again that he's a career criminal with no intention of changing. Lock him up.

Fact is they took 10 years of taxpayer money to come at Mousie, Ligambi and the bunch and when they finally realized that Joe Ligambi's crew isn't quite the Gotti-Casso bunch they thought they was; they decide to roll the dice on trial. Pick up whoever they could. Well, Mousie's gone for most of the rest of his life. Hope it was worth it, taxpayers.

He roll the dice ,good luck 16 years of bookmaking

And some people are bitching about this because they simply just don't agree.

You can agree that legalised gambling has its hypocrisy so why not agree there may be some grey area to this debate?

It's not a case of your perspective vs people rooting for the bad guys.

Most arguments you'll find have two sides.
And not necessarily subjective ones.

And relegating one sides argument to 'just bitching' is hardly going to make friends now is it?

Considering Mousie is a career criminal, with a record as long as your leg, I don't see where there's any grey area. Maybe if this was his first or second arrest and but not when you look at his history. And I'm not exactly known for going out of my way to make friends.

fuck excessive. fuck fair. thats life. and more importantly, thats THE LIFE. when he told them he didnt know why he was called in he knew what he was doing.

my opinion? he shouldve stayed away from meth. hes lucky they didnt get him for more.

You hit it on the nose. Thats the life. Fold it into a major rico your looking at a shit load of time.

If he committed a violent felony I would not disagree. For someone like him, this is as legitimate as he can probably get. It's still a gambling charge, I see no way 16 years is justified, no matter what his past.

The prosecution goes out of their way to nail guys like Mousie.I'm sure they have some weight with the judge and all those wise-cracks added up.I knew he wasn't going to go down easy and I'm sure the feds are eatin it up.All the laughter stopped abruptly,why put yourself in that position.The argument that the state does the same thing but its legal,when was the last time state threatened any individual or did bodily harm to its customers?

Harsh sentence that!

Wow. They definitely threw the book at Ol' Mousies ass. That's for sure. Early 60's though, I wouldn't be surprised if he's out in 10 which would put him at 71 or so and by then he might have staked his claim to maybe even be Boss, but probably still UB. Although I've always doubted that he's even the UB as he's portrayed to be. I see him as Capo but I've never seen him as any type of a Boss that's for sure.

We all know Mousie is a carreer criminal but the government has a hard on for the Mob. REally...there is no Mob. Philly is a small family, smaller than most drug gangs that are on every corner in the city. Thats my point. There is no need to even go after these guys for poker machines when there are a bunch of casinos in and around philly and more in the making. And enough crime for them to go after in the Northeast. They went after these gusy for bull shit and there case was bull shit. There only success was getting this guys 16 years. The friggin boss of the family beat every friggin charge except the racketeering. NOt even loooking forward to that trial. And that poor bastad, who I can't stand, George Corky irish looking Borgesi, is still behind bars. Im fromn south philly and i am not mob groupie but this case was stupid and they were hoping a nobody like bent finger lou was going to put all these guys away. Go after the real criminals. You guys are on here acting like these guys were out there whacking guys. To much Sopranos and Goodfellas....

+1 TRUE

To me it basically come downs to...was this case worth the 10 to 15 years they put into the Ligambi guys. That time and money could have been used on much better crimes. And now we pay for him to stay in jail for 15 years. Was it worth it? Especially when the city of philadelphia has casinos and you can bet on sports right down the street in delaware...not to mention AC down the road. To me, its hypocritical to give this guys 16 years. Like others said, what about the non street guys who take advatange of people everday with these banks and shit. It just doesn't add up to me. Thats my point. Its not just about Mousie. He was a carree criminal but did serve time for his prior crimes. And to beat the other charges but still found guilty on racketeering conspiracty doesn't make much sense to me.

I do feel bad for Borgesi, that poor bastard has been in a while and he beat a lot of the charges and they wont even give him bail...

spmob I see your point on a lot of things but the 1 statement I always hear that I have to disagree with is ''the law should be going after the so-called real criminals''Like I said earlier what's the percentage of mob guys in all these prisons.I would say barely a fraction,so there are real criminals that are in our prisons.I mean I can't agree with that if the feds were not watching Mousie the twin towers would still be there and the people in Boston would have legs.That's a good one.Even like you even say there isn't a so-called mob in Philly one guy claims to have been a part of 11 hits while back in Dec. somebody got hit in broad daylight.Maybe this wasn't Mousie's thing but it still exists to some extent.Not sure if you can just turn a blind eye to it.

They sentenced Gary Battaglini to 96 months about an hour ago

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2013/July/13-crm-782.html

Phillie is getting whiped out. That's for sure

8 years. He'll probably only serve 6 or 7 years of it. Wouldn't be surprised if he gets made once he's out of prison.

He's not even made? Really? That cements my idea that the media referring to him as Underboss is not only wrong but way off. I said the biggest he would be us Capo if that, and if your right about him not having his stripes I seriously doubt he even has Capo status.

No I was talking about Gary Battaglini . But I do agree with you about Massimino not really being underboss. My guess would be Staino.

Once again, it's not just this one gambling charge. It's this one gambling charge (which is part of a greater RICO conspircy) + his extensive criminal history. You guys want to look at this latest charge in isolation and that's a mistake.



That line, "They should be going after the real criminals" has always been a bunch of BS. DTO's, street gangs, other OC groups, etc. get busted all the time.



A) You should read more carefully. B) Massimino is made and he was acting underboss.

Not true at all, there are quite a few up and coming players along with the guys still out on the street. The way things are now in this country with the economy, jobs and the cost of living a lot of these younger kids today want a piece of the action from what I have seen and heard. A few years back these types of people would have steered clear of that kind of life but the saying we often use in SP "to get ahead you always got to have some extra money on the side" seems to be true now more than ever.

These younger kids around here (20-30's) also all grew up in the era of pop culture and the rap music culture where it's cool to be involved in that kind of life and everyone wants to be among the most popular in SP. I see it everyday given that I have many of my 2 sons friends on Facebook.

I hear you Southphilly4ever but do these younger guys have what it takes.I mean so much of the money gets kicked up to the top is there enough left for the reward vs.the risk factor.I mean even this guy Battaglia that just got sentenced was working as a courier.Remember in the tapes how somebody said its a broke mob,I mean if you are really doing good all it takes is one small bust and the lawyer's fees are outrageous.I don't think the feds will ever give up on the Philly mob even if its down to a few guys.Somebody always fills the void but in todays world it just doesn't seem as appealing as it once was.

Well Staino and Canalichio are gonna get 15+, I wonder if Canalichio is going to flip, or Nicodemo seeing that Dame is gonna get hammered and flip before he does. Im sure the FBI and the Fed attorneys are already thinking about these possibilities.

I can see what you mean about it not being whiped out. I guess what I meant was more along the lines of being nothing anymore in the sense that all these younger dont have what it takes in the Omertà department, earning, and loyalty. I'm sure their are some potential up and coming young guys who are gonna be good earners. But selling oxycodone and marijuana is only gonna lead to problems and will be a short lived means of earning. Cause let's face it, all these young guys now a days idea of earning us selling drugs. These young guys do not have what it takes to infiltrate unions, extort money making businesses/people, etc. etc..

Unless they are being directed and mentored by old school guys who will show them how to make moves but I don't feel like theirs many of the old school guys left, and not only in Philly but NY, NJ, and MA too. The only Italian Crime Group in the US that I still see as passing the torch to a new era of young and smart guys is Chicago. I've said it before and ill say it again, Chicago has always and still pretty much does have their shit together. Except for a little hiccup in 2005 called The Family Secrets Trial.

That Nicodemo hasn't flipped already is amazing. Because he is so fucked.
Same can be said for Canalichio.

Maybe they didn't clip johnny gongs after all?

Im sure if they didnt actually do it they sure liked people thinking it on the streets, but not so much now

I think Nicodemo and Canilichio stay true and don't flip.

Damn he coulda copped out to like less than 80 months, crazy

I have noticed for the past year everyone speculating a lot about these people flipping. Is there some reason everyone just assumes they will? Does someone know them or have some type of inside information. I'm just curious because if someone has that type of info I would be interested in seeing it. I'm not being a smart ass either. Anthony Nicodemo has one hell of a reputation around here and I just wonder why these outsiders just assume people will rat. Now people are speculating that they didn't clip someone in the past because they haven't flipped yet, lol.

1. The reason everyone assumes he'll flip because the case is beyond water tight and the only way AN will ever see the light of day through windows without bars is to flip.

2. The Feds are after info on 3 murders occurring on Ligambi's watch: Martorano, Cassanto and Turchi. If AN or DC had info regards these hits, that's their trump card. That they're not playing it is cause for speculation.

IMO it's fair speculation.

I don't think Staino's sentence will be as harsh as others. Younger guy too compared to others. Not sure what happens to him when he gets out if Merlino and Mazzone are still active as i think he was Ligambi's guy.
The Nicodemo and Dame thing is interesting - no doubt Dame gets a harsh term coming ...
Gotta feel bad for Borgesi - if he didn't mess around with Bent Finger he would be out by now I think. He's one to reckon with when he is released ... Plenty of guys in south philly and south jersey will be shaking in their suits

Staino doesn't have a big criminal history so I don't see him getting anywhere that much time.



You need to join the 21st century.

Staino pled out. Hes gonna get what the other guys who pled got; 55-60 months.

Plead out to 20 and get out in your 50s? If he flips canalocchio is fucked apparently

Maybe everyone is right that the Philly mob doesn't matter anymore,is it me or what but you mean to tell me there is not 1 article about Battaglia's sentence.I mean a mob guy getting 8 yrs. and nothing.What his demeanor in court was,what he said,I don't get it.Yet on Philly.com there's stupid articles about complete nonsense.Maybe it isn't news,seems awful weird.

Sergio Battaglia? The guy who flipped on stanfa in 94?

lol at anyone feeling bad for a piece of shit like that

Just for the record, Anthony Nicodemo was made after the murder of Johnny Gongs.

Gary Battaglini got 8 years (96 months) in prison

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2013/July/13-crm-782.html

Innnnterrsting.

Still fucked though. Bang. In. Trouble.

thanks Dap I saw earlier where someone put that,I was just surprised it didn't make the actual philly blogs like Philly.com or the big trial.net with GA

A little surprised at the Battaglini sentence. He was free on bail throughout the trial I believe? He must have had a few priors? Canalichio is in big trouble. I predicted 12 years, but I'm not sure he doesnt get a few more on top of that. Staino prob gets 5 or so.

I have no idea what to expect with regard to Ligambi and Borgesi this fall. The Feds dont usually make the same mistakes twice in retrials. Should be interesting.

I mean at the time it was obviously a good move because who wants to sit in jail for almost 2 yrs.waiting for a case you think you have a chance to win.But say Staino does get 5 yrs.85% of that would be like around 50 mths.and has of now he would have had credit for another 26.That would leave about 24 mths. or 2yrs.on the table which is not much even for a guy like Staino who hasn't done any real time.but again sitting in jail for 2yrs. and you beat the charge would really suck.I do think he will get more than 5 just because of his position within the organization.I would more like 8-10.

I thought staino posted bond awaiting trial.

He did but his bail was revoked after Staino took that plea deal.

Yeah but he aint getting 2 years time served then.

No i don't think he does get the credit for time served. He wasn't in jail like the other guys. I think the time meter started up on Staino the day he surrendered after he pled guilty.

I'm not 100% on that, but i'm pretty sure thats how it works.

Was he under house arrest? Did he have an ankle bracelet restricting him to his house? If so he might be able to call that time served. But i'm not sure on it.

Staino got his bail revoked the day after the guilty verdicts, early February I beleive.

Your right Bobby it was the day after the verdicts not the day he took the plea deal.

I asked about this before and was told while on house arrest like Staino was it does not count towards his sentence.Just like you say the day he was found guilty is when it started.

Vinnie tooth pick I just saw that,I meant Gary Battaglia not Sergio.I was wondering why philly.com or GA didn't do anything on it Friday.

22 there was something on philly.com on friday but it was buried. It never made the sites front page.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/crime...cketeering.html

That's how the world works. If you're the ruler of a country, you make the laws and the key decisions as well at the end of the day. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, so for mob guys, great mafia leaders who follow the traditional styles of leadership within the mob may be seen as great where as for the drug addicts mother or the sister of a degenerate beat up gambler it's all the mobs fault e.t.c.

If there's one quote I have always liked from the movie Witness to the Mob, it was "when things go good and to plan, things are good...but when you slip up, everything really starts to get fucked up" or something along those lines. I feel this quote can not only be applied to the mob but a lot of things in the dirty side of that whole secretive world.

There was once a law that said somewhere in some godforsaken place that everyone must die at the age of 50. The ruler of this land wasn't that old yet, but when his time came around the law was changed in the click of a finger. I guess what I'm trying to say is that laws, traditions, culture and decisions and so on can be changed when it best suits the majority or whoever is in charge. Back in the 50's-80's, organized crime in general was public enemy number one where as now it's terrorism. Back then, mafia members were probably the worst thing you could have been depicted as, whether you were a loan shark or an illegal bookie. Now it's Terrorists, and being seen to act like a mafia member is now considered cool and suave.

For some people, gambling is a harmless crime, for others it is then worst thing invented, for some, drugs are seen in much the same way and it's the same with loan sharks and anyone else. For the borrower who's business became successful he Thanks the Shark! For the one's who had their business taken over and turned into a brothel curses the loan shark e.t.c. The world will never agree on anything, human beings by nature have their own opinions and will always come into conflict over anything and will usually do anything to improve their own status and limit misery. That's why mob members like to lay low and make money quietly, more money and less heat. That's why some ordinary folk say to lock up criminals for life despite whatever crime they committed, because that helps THEIR situation.

That's why these laws are laid out, for the sociopaths at the top of the world to feel even more secure than they are and also because these laws tend to agree with society as a whole. The majority of people probably would agree with the sentence handed down to Mousie and not think twice about the "Morality" behind it...because everything that is illegal is WRONG and BAD!!!

Sorry for the rant but that's my view to why the sentences are what they are and why it may seem outrageous to me and a lot of other people, however to a lot and probably a lot more other people it seems perfectly fine.

8 years for a fucking associate? Dont give me this shit about Massimino's criminal history, the base the judge started with was 8 for a low level associate. You would have to be completely stunad to think 8 years for an associate is proper. Jesus they are hanging these guys. Its like Mousie said, "these laws are for trees".

does uncle joe plead out, his record cant be bad. its like 1 gambling charge, his murder got tossed say they offer 5 he got 2 in out in2 more and halfway house. he beat a lot of the rico's . they gave this guy aurthor g from boston a bid like this but he had some arson in his case plus he's zip connelys brother in law. I was think 10 12 yrs 16 kinda over kill cruel and unusual punishment I bet he appeals on that ground or some shit. it works the higher judges reduce it a little. dieing in jail over poker machines sick only in America. for all the leagal guys, if George bogesi beat all his charges and they hung up on the rico conspiracy charge. I thought you have to be found guilty of 2 predicate acts, he beat them all. what is a rico case with out 2 or more crimes? if he just bein charged as a member of the lcn. never seen this before.

PMAC like you stated it is basically a waste of money for the government to retry uncle joe and georgie obviously the govt has egg on its face and pissed they didnt get them the first go around but georgie has been locked up for what 12 years and should have been free for 2, they really want these murder cases to get solved and kill the philly mob for once and for all i suppose

16 years ! thats harsh regardless of his history. bit of gambling no murders wow!!