Black Disciples Promotes Peace

Former Black Disciple Arthur Stringer

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deal with the youth. Don, and other brothers are not afraid to deal with the youth....This is part of what King Dave stood for.”

One reason that some Disciples believe that King Dave's approach will be useful to reduce Chicago's violence is based on what he saw as the root of the problems, as explained by a Black Gangster Disciple Nation (BGDN) member, Frederick Little (Sensei):

“If King Dave was here today, he would be totally appalled...not just about the street level, but on the home level. [King Dave thought] the street level is a reflection of what is going on in people's homes. Parents adults, guardians, are getting high, smoking, cussing in front of their kids; not checking their behavior back and fourth to school...”

Sensei encourages that any effort to use King Dave's approach to address Chicago's violence must use one of his most effective techniques, the door to door approach:

“David Barksdale would go knock on people's doors, [and say], 'This your son, this is your daughter, let me tell you what they were doing.' You not gonna get smart with him, and you will not get smart with the Don, Larry Hoover and so on. You will reflect the way they talk to you.” Sensei added that being a true Disciple entails, “staying away from drugs, being disciplined, staying in school and advancing yourself, being gainfully employed and taking care of your children and family. This is what we have to return to doing.”

Michael "White Mike" Morris is a younger Black Disciple who never met King Dave, but believes he plays an important role in keeping his vision and mission alive: “My role is to educate and instruct those who do not know; present the truth to them. It is important to know what the Disciples are about if you want to do good. I tell the community that we are about being involved in the community to help those around you, those you have love for, and standing up for what you believe in.”

Other young Black Disciples believe that if understood and used properly, the teachings, vision, and mission of King David can have a major impact on reducing violence in Chicago:

“Everything that came from the teaching of Black Disciple Nation, guides me in my every day life, by me being able to use the knowledge of the 6 pointed star” says eighteen-year-old Keyren Finch (“Trey”). 

Trey continued, “The guys out there my age, if they are able to adopt the teachings, and adopt and use them in their everyday life, there will never be as much killing among the brothers, because we are about love, loyalty...and understanding in a brotherhood...”

He advises other young men: “Don't look at the other person as your enemy unless that person is presenting themselves as your enemy at that time. You should be able to respect a person as a man first, before anything. It is not about who they are... It is about mutual respect.”

One of the toughest tasks that Don Dirk has ahead of him is to address the number of Chicago shootings and killings that occur and involve the name of Black Disciples, sometimes he claims, only in vain:

“You have those who have gotten into the Black Discipline Nation because they cool with another member of the BD Nation. You have those who are perpetrating the BD Nation and they bring a dissension to people in our name. They are making us look bad. Some might be paid to do these things. Some of them may be doing this because they want to get us back. But everybody that call themselves BD are not true BD, and they are the ones causing the problems.”

Don Dirk believes that the first step to this process of peace on the streets, is to gather the true believers of King David and involve them in a sort of re-orientation that will revive the original intentions of creating peaceful and prosperous communities, without the drug and violence problems of the past.

“True Disciple teaches us that a man is known by the manner in which he carries himself. A real Disciple will be respectable, honorable, loving, and kind. We are bringing that back for the good of all of our communities and people. We begin by promoting peace [on the streets], so look out to know more about it and support what we are doing.”. Source: Ebony.com 6/4/13 article

im always skeptical of these stories. Larry Hoover tried to do the same thing during the early 90s.

True. It possibly an agreement going on behind closed doors with the gang leaders but BDs have strong leadership( their 4th or 5th). I think it's a panel for the BDs but it could be a single nation leader.

ain't nobody calling it for the bd's on the street

meaning there ain't one sole leader or panel

if you're lucky enough to know somebody in the "mob" u might have a boss

other than that it's just a bunch of undirected senseless violence going on

With all due respect your wrong. BDs have always been organized in the streets. Think about this; David Barksdale founder/ leader from 1960-1974, Jerome Freeman 1974- 2000, Marvel Thompson 2000-2004?, Unknown leader(s) 2005-2013.

Marvel thompson was the guy with the record label.

why exactly did they split away from gangster disciples because they all used to be called the black gangster disciples?

Blackfamily heres some old news clips i found on hoover and his "charity" work.

Yes, Marvel owned MOB record label which produced the international sensation the cha cha slide. I don't know the specific reason Jerome reformed the BDs out of the Black Gangster Disciples ( it was an alliance then not a mob) but it's generally different leadership style per say. Afterall Jerome still joined the folks nation after the split. Also the Black Gangsters ( present New Breeds) split away from the BGD alliance too but on a bad note. The only group to try a hit on Larry Hoover while he was locked up. I already saw those videos years ago.

after the bd's got hit by the feds in 2004 it's been downhill

the younger crowd doesn't care about having a leader

they would rather be leaderless so they can act reckless

the older bd's still know what's going on

but there ain't one guy calling the show for over 3000 people anymore

when did they try and hit hoover?

How have it been downhill after Operation Marvel-less? The younger crowd will always have their rebels here and there but that can't last forever. At some point jail/prison is where reckless behavior be then they can't so no to the leadership. True the older members maintain but that's why I said a leadership group if it's not an overall "president". This is my reason why: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-02-28/news/0602280302_1_black-disciples-gang-prosecutors. They mention 3 members with the rank of kings.

1979.

I wonder what would happen if they got into book making and construction

@blackfamily

all three kings they were referring to got arrested in the same indictment



@thebigfella

they were involved in construction, plus a bunch of other shit

that's why the feds indicted them in the first place

it wasn't because they were drug dealing in slums

Right but did you notice that it took 2 years to catch them. In that amount of time you don't think there was any reorganizing going on? Here's a recent arrest and it mentions a high-ranking leader: http://www.careersatquincy.com/story/219...ng-bond-hearing

that was a pretty recent bust too and he is a 50 year old too.heres the post i put up when that bust went down. http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=708643
I think there still structure but the days of the huge corporate like organisation are less likely these days.

There are two factions of Black Disciples. One faction that still claims the deceased Jerome "Shorty" Freeman as their leader,( who is calling the shots for them I don't know) and there is also the Blue 5 Black Disciples who claim King Marvel Thompson as their leader. When the leadership of the BD nation passed from Shorty Freeman to Thompson he formed the Blue 5's. Many within the BD nation rejected this move and rejected him as their leader.

I think theres a power higher than walter blacan thats running the show, a real leader shouldnt let himself get to closely involved, and I believe its best to have a panel of leaders when ur dealing with drugs that closely because the conviction rate is unbelieveable

How much time did marvel thompson and donnell jehan recieve

Thank You, Scorsese. I couldn't find your post so I just uploaded a different one. GDs were the ones with the corporate structure, BDs have a quasi-religious structure. And yes there still organized.

Marvel receive 45 years and I don't know about the other guy.

It would seem I was wrong about Marvel rank and time, the court case says he was a "King" rank back in the 90s to 04 but over the southside. Here's the case: http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1498390.html

there's no more order going on in Chicago's current gang structure

except for on the westside.....they still have mobs

I still disagree to an extent. Chicago gangs have been organized over 30 years and obviously the structure have change for some groups. Now presently their structure is falling apart just in a span of a few years? Dont think so. And let's not forget their structured in Illinois prisons. These factions are still organized and have leadership in control. Again as I repeat just because one group or 2 is having internal problems, doesn't reflect every other group. No it's not just one side of town but the entire metro area.

I agree with cook county. (except for the last part Westside doesn't have structure anymore either like it once did) I was born and raised in Chicago. The gangs today don't have nearly the organization and structure as they did in the past. Today there is no one person calling the shots on the streets. You can have one gang with many many different factions with none of them getting alon gwith along with the toher. Also nowaadyas it's all about crews and crews can be made ou of individuals from several different gangs. Add to the mix the rvial hood thing so you can be in the same gang but be enemies because you're from different hoods. So all in all the structure is gone a thing of the past. These young boys aren't listening to or taking orders from anyone.

Law enforcement usually always gets in confused and twisted. Marvel had the whole city back in 90's not just the city then he became the King. I was at a BD party on New Years Day when Shorty Freeman and Vel was there. Nobody even new Shorty was out and when he walked in the room everyone froze. The next day it was announced that Vel was the King.

This is confusing, so who is the current street leader of bd and who is the street leader of the blue 5s? And do anyone have info on donnell jehan???

That's why I said to a certain degree I agree but disagree. We all know that the younger generation are mostly knuckleheads but then these gangs aren't 100% juveniles. I'm speaking on the members that are older ( mid-20s and up) and still organized. Recall that those 18 or so BDs that got arrested and among them a high ranking leader, the street gang rico indictment on the black souls ( mainly westside mob) , earlier this year the Latin king leader that held the 2nd/3rd highest rank on the streets and giving orders. Those 3 cases and probably future more are proof that structure for some factions are still intact. Matter of fact it's a paradox for the Chicago law to enact a street gang rico if "all" the gangs are decentralized due to factions. By the way how was the party? Which side of the chi you from?

There isn't a single leader but leaders of different areas. Don't have a clue about the blue 5 BDs. Donnel Jehan, don't know.

At around 2007 donnell jehan got aturned himself in for being the leader of the bds but I can't find any info on how much time he got

Confusing is correct! That's the thing on the streets of Chicago today there isn't a solid leadership like in the past. You can have a street leader one on side of town, but that same leader isn't recognized on the other side of town, or even recognized as a leader on the same side of town a few neighborhoods over.

Ha ha the news makes me laugh sometimes in the way they report things. Yes there is and most likely will always be a structure to some extent for gangs in Chicago. The party was cool met a lot of interesting people were there, many whom are behind bars now or other

When the bd's went to the 3 kings struture was it an attempt to unite some of the factions?

To make a long and complex story short, Yes that was some of the reason the organization went to the 3 king structure

I would like to read the long and complex story

Donnell Jehan is due to be release sometime in 2030 he is serving Fed time

The name Freddie Black has been thrown around as a current BD leader, don't know how accurate that is at the present time.

As far as reading that long complex story to tell you the truth it hasn't been written it's mostly oral. There are some pieces and partial version floating around on the internet and in publications written by gang intelligence agencies and so-called "experts". How ever much of what is written is contradictory and sometimes just down wrong. It's wrong sometimes because the people writing it don't have a clue and sometimes it's incorrect because that's just how history is there is always more than one version of things.

An example how of wrong things can go sometimes is: The Chicago Crime Commission every few years puts out a book called the Gang Book and it list all of the gangs in the city, their leaders on the street and prison etc, the most recent edition of the book listed a man who has been dead for a few years as a current gang leader lol.

The chicago police department even denounced the book saying they weren't responsible for it when a number of people threatened to sue after they were featured in the book as gang members.

marvell Thompson didn't call it for all of the bd's

they switched to 3 bosses because of heat from the feds

plus they were at the point that they didn't need as much street money

they were involved in a lot of mortage deals

the feds pinched them because they were buying up a lot of property

They got caught cause they was mixing real estate with illegal business, they also found a bd rule book in one of his apartments

they didn't get pinched for real estate

they got indicted because they were becoming too powerful

It's hard to make that statement about them becoming too powerful. There still are other tight knit black mobs such as the Black Souls, New Breeds, Mickey Cobras, and some 4 Corner Hustler's crews.

Black organizations should stay away from street level drug dealing, only bad things happen

thats where they make all the money, i see what you mean but these guys are gangsters engaging in criminal activity bad things are gonna happen anyway.

Mid Level and Wholesale level as well. That's why they engage in gun trafficking and other activities on the side.

That and controlling the retail level open air drug markets which is what i meant by street level. Alot of them have individual members and associates who get guns through straw buyers in other states or through thefts, id post up a few articles but you dont want this thread turning into a gun control debate.

@blackfamily

the bd's were buying up entire neighborhoods, plus construction, and mortage fraud

they were buying up alot of property

Black souls are tight knit, but they only operate on the west side pretty much and they are pretty small. They're are I believe 4 groups of them each with it's own King. Mickey Cobra's and 4 corner Hustlers aren't mobs they are established gangs, the New Breeds are the first cousins of the BD's they are a gang as well

With all that said it still is worth checking out for those who are interested in Chicago gangs. The edition before it is really worth checking out to get a good background on Chicago gangs.

At one time he did call it for all the BD's remember before he became King his position was calling it for the whole city he was right up under Shorty Freeman. Then Freeman passed the Kingship on to him. Now at some point for various reasons some decided not to accept him and started breaking off and he too broke off from the folk nation with his own Blue 5 BD nation

But have the new leadership continue where the old left off?

Actually Black Souls have a chapter on the south side and a few cities in another state. There are more than 4 groups, you have Mad Souls, Gangster, Impressionist, Outlaws, Cobras, and New Life ( there the ones hit by Rico}. Mickey Cobras have a steady leadership per say since 1954 and was trafficking some of the most purest heroin in Chicago ( a handful of users died from it). 4 Corner Hustlers,the name says it all in which they are the definition of a make a buck mob( drug trade, gun trade, extortion, gambling, prostitution, money laundering,etc.). The new breeds are a prison gang.

marvell and shorty went to war in the late 90s

plus durk had his crew

Whats the difference between a mob, gang, and nation?

Gamg and Mob can be synonymous but usually a mob is an organized gang or group involved in organized crime. A gang will always vary by definition, from a loose knit or tight knit group of criminals with little or no structure. A nation is what the Chicago street organizations refer to the themselves (Latin King Nation, Black Disciples Nation, etc.) .

No no my brohter the New Breed Blac Gangsters are NOT a prison gang they are deep in the streets. They ofcourse have members in prison but they fully operate on the steet they have several hoods in Chicago. They originally branched off from the Disciple nation.

They are technically a prison gang since they originated in state prison. They split from the BGs ( Black Gangsters) and wasn't a branch of the disciple nation. Back when they were BGs , they was under the BGD alliance. And before then the BGs was known as the Royal Family.

No my friend you get the history wrong. They didn't split from the BG there full name is New Breed Black Gangsters. They were a branch of the disciple nation they are considered to be the first cousins of the Black Disciples.

I think your misinformed my friend. It's just New Breeds , members consider the B.G moniker outdated. Their aren't a branch of the disciples nation. You recall that the BGDN from 1969 to 1978 was an umbrella alliance of many groups. The B.Gs during that time were originally the Royal Family then join the alliance and change their name to Royal Disciples. After 78 Boonie Black change the group to the Black Gangsters. Then a faction emerged in prison calling themselves New Breeds.

new breeds are black gangsters

they just changed their name but they're still black gangsters

LOL really?

I've never heard of a Black guy running a successful betting ring (no racism intended)

the bd's had dogfighting operations, dice games, and card games

policy was started by black people which was legalized into the state lottery

They was B.Gs, not it's just New Breeds. Here's an episode from Vice on Chicago gang violence: http://youtu.be/W0HZZtTtq_E
As you can see the members refer to themselves as New Breed not BGs nor New Breed BGs. By the way the Vill location wasn't Southside but Westside.

Dude I don't have it wrong. The complete name is New Breed Black Gangsters. Most of the old times still use Black Gangster most of the young guys call themselves New Breeds, but even the youngsters still will be like I swear on New Breed Black Gangster. I'm around these people everyday I know what I'm talking about.

Oh wow! I love it when people quote tv shows are a credible source. I can play you 5 shows and each one will have 5 different versions of the history. I prefer to quote people of live this stuff. As I said before most young cats will say just New Breed, but I can show you home videos where guys are shout New Breed Black Gangster or just Black Gangster. It depends on the person. Most older cats will say Black Gangster. Was you at Bonnie Blacks funeral? If you were I guarantee you would have heard people saying both. Do you know any Don's of the organization? I do! Ask one of them how it goes. Listen them when they talk I guarantee you will hear both terms used when referring to the organization. You seem to be getting a lot of your information from TV shows, and books which aren't always accurate. I'm telling you from being around these guys from the old school and new school. I know/knew personally many of these guys you are reading about.

I wasn't using it as source but proof. I haven't seen too many shows on New Breeds and the ones that mentioned them just refer to them as New Breeds. If your point is that it depends on the individuals then that makes both of us right. There's obvious difference in credibility between us; Location, Age, and Resource. Majority of my info comes from websites, news articles, interviews, etc. You know that's a futile remark asking me do I know of any "Dons", I could bounce that question right at you. Do you know of any "Chiefs" in my city? No you don't. For all of your credible source through associations you rarely post in-depth threads. Half of these Chicago street orgs posts comes from me, Scorsese, and a very few others. I'll be fully intrigued when you share your 2 cents instead of criticizing replies. By the way, there new breeds in the Sip too.

Bro I haven't/wasn't critizing your post sorry if you took that way. What is your city ?I might know Don's and chiefs there. I have travelled a little bit. But if they not Don's and Chiefs from Chicago or did time with Chicago guys I would question their knowledge of the history. Especially if they are younger. I am often amused when I go out of town and talk to people. I recall when funny incident when a guy kept talking about Jeff "Ford" and how Chief Malik took over after "Ford" died. I learned something that day because I thought Jeff Fort and Chief Malik was the same person and that he is alive serving time in Federal Prison. My commment doesn't make both of us right it just goes to show how much misinformation is out here and most of it stems from people jsut spreading what the here without really checking the source from which it's came from. I was asking you about knowing Don's because it often gets to me when people who haven't came up in certain things try and speak as if they are such an authority becaue of some video. And when one watches a video they can often be misleading if it isn't watched in it's full context That's with anything not just gangs. When you say Sip are u referring to Missippi? I met Breeds there as well as many Chicago based gangs and L.A. based gangs to. Asfar as my in-depth threads is there something you would like me to post more on? Well bro sorry if you thought I was critising you that wasn't my internt. Peace Out!

No apologies needed just a misunderstood. I'm from Columbus. The chances of you knowing of anybody here is slim, except a few who move here for their reasons. Besides there only VLs,4CHs, GDs, and SCRs here. I don't take too much info a face value either and do multiple sources. That's why I'm so stubbornly disagreeing, when you research/investigate different sources and find a common recurring info then it seems semi-solid. That video was just one of many reference of members, law enforcement, and opposition called them the same name. Yes locals refer to Mississippi as the Sip or even Zip. Where have you meet New Breeds at down here? Chicago based gangs dominate the scene here due to the past and L.A are minor except a few spots. Any historic info on the Black Souls? I can hardly find any in depth history on them nor King Wee, quite an air of mystery around them. Peace.

Ok Columbus. I been down there a time or two. Are u familiar with a group which one may consider all a super gang/Car/mega gang called the Black "Gorilla" Family? The go by that name but they are made up of GDs, Bloods, VL and a few other gangs. I had a chance to sit down and speak with them once

What specifically are u looking to find on Black Souls? I can try and holla at some old timers the ones that are left and on the street that is. This new generation running around here don't know a lot of the history.

I'm not sure if it was Columbus or Jackson, but I met some cats claiming Breed. I thin that got plugged in when they was locked up. That was some years ago can't call recall for sue.

I'm quite familiar with them since half of them was my classmates. Where, When & Who did you speak to specifically? Black Gorilla Family is/was a rap clique. I doubt there any bloods/crips in that clique just VLs & GDs. Can you post a video of a old head discussing the history of black souls? If not, a document/report of their history and founder? Every other Internet source have only about 3 short general paragraphs on them.

Is this ''Black Gorilla Family'' Jama , or is it a localized version of a gang conglomerate down there?

Neither. Rap clique. They was given some attention due to fights in the club and streets. Police started to label them a gang and they had a meeting in the police department to inform them there not a gang.

One of them called himself a piru blood. Getting an old head on video to talk hmmmm I'll see some of them cats are real funny about stuff like that. This one guy I'm thinking about in particular would be an excellent source for the history. Haven't seen him in none of his usual places but I let people know I'm looking for him so hopefully he get at me if he still around

Oh yeah I forgot about that 1 blood. If it's a matter of privacy than audio could do. Thanks for your time.

I forgot this part. It was about 5 maybe 6 year ago in Columbus. The interview with them took place in a housing development that they referred to as "The Bricks" I spoke with several of them one name I recall is gangsterboii he acted as the main spokesman. I had a nice recorded dialogue with them but somehow thetape got messed up. It must only be one high school in Columber because everytime I talk to someone they say the same thing that they went to high school with most or all of those guys lol

Even I wasn't sure where nor why they called that location "The Bricks" . There's several projects/apartments in town.Yes again gangstaboi was a classmate and we only have 1 high school on my city.

more black disciples busted
Eight gang members charged with drug trafficking

Associated Press
Story Created: Fri Nov 1, 2013 1:58 PM
Story Updated: Fri Nov 1, 2013 1:58 PM
CHICAGO (AP) - Eight alleged members of a major Chicago street gang have been charged with trafficking heroin and cocaine in the city.

The acting head of Chicago's FBI office, Robert Shields, Jr., and Chicago's new U.S. attorney, Zachary Fardon, announced the charges against the purported Black Disciples on Friday.

The FBI says one suspect was arrested in Peoria and six in Chicago. One evaded arrest.

The arrests come a week after Fardon was sworn in. Several politicians have urged him to target gangs and make the reduction of street violence a higher priority.

Those arrested include Darnell McMiller, whose alleged nickname is "Murder." A complaint cites him bragging on a wiretap that he carries out "hits" for his supplier.

A message seeking comment from McMiller's attorney wasn't immediately returned Friday.

the indictment is on the feds page

this article ain't really informative

IM a gone head and keep it chop as a current outstanding member of the B.D.N. First and foremost I'm a six point B.D. king shorty king may he rest in peace.. you can bet your life there is one man calling it for the entire nation..of course i cannot disclose his name. Two yea its true a lot of set don't honor shit these young brothers and this "Renegade" fufu business is out of hand..i don't believe in renegades i just say they are fake. it you don't honor the nation or those whom founded it ,then your not apart of it period ..no question ... to be honest there is more structure in the branches in the other states than in Chicago it's self.

yes ..famo you hit that right on the head Joe ..word of mouth ..cant depend on the white man T.V. show for true information on a black org..????..they know for lying

Welcome to the board, shortyfam. We been discussing the nature of these renegade factions. Major focus on them due to the violence but in due time a change will come. Where's your dynasty from? Which city you would say have the most structure in your org?

What about the 30 block Cg renegades? They spread all over after the buildings went down, the 6-7 guys calling it now, have the shit running so smooth. Also theres no honor how the fuck do you still talk about honor in mobs lol. The renegades are the only reason shortys got to eat.

@SgWaue86

I meant to ask you when you were referring to that GD faction from the greens, what did C.C stood for?