Massino to be released?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/feds-judge-reduce-sentence-mob-rat-article-1.1368747

anybody think he could really be released soon?

would he do WITSEC or be brazen enough to return to Queens?

Talk about FEds committing crimes... that would be one...

I would highly doubt he'd head back to NYC. This isn't Joe Bonanno we are talking about here, this is a BOSS who betrayed his family, sent a lot of guys to jail, and crippled the Bonannos. I would imagine there a lot of guys who'd want his head, even if only on principle.

you can never be in any persons shoes..especially somebody like this... who is a sociopath... but i almost cant blame em.. i mean how many of his people screwed him?

but thats a never ending argument

just interesting to see if they let him out

As far as I'm concerned, Massino dug his own grave freezing out Vitale like he did.

It to soon for him to come back to New York

Since the Feds are the ones asking for early release,there's a good chance that Massino will get out,if not now,then within a few years.
As far as WITSEC,it's a tough call. On the one hand you have Gravano,who betrayed Gotti,the supposedly hardcore, old school, ruthless, gangster. After appearing on talk shows to promote his book (having left the Program),and actually daring guys to come to Arizona to get him on television,he went about his business with no problem,until his drug arrest.Nobody gave a rat's behind (pun intended) about getting Sammy.

Henry Hill puts away Lucchese guys,goes on Howard Stern,writes a cookbook,gets openly drunk and vomits on the curb in front of clubs IN NEW YORK CITY and what? Squat.

Granted Massino is a higher ranking rat than most,but it wouldn't surprise me to see him on Piers Morgan. Christ,the guy might even get a reality show. Maybe him, Gotti Jr. and the Mob Wives could open a pawnshop.

The modern Mob could care less about going after rats,precisely because they're the Modern Mob. In days of yore,you had some sense of loyalty,and a lot less rats. Nowadays,the rats are like the Whack-a-Mole at Chuck E. Cheese. Hit one ,another pops up.

Ironically,Massino is credited with bringing the Family to it's greatest heights and for trying to return to the old school mentality. The fact that he failed in the latter part may be what saves his life.

You never know, the dipietro hit made me think twice about mob guys not killing rats. A LOT of guys in that life now a days have drug problems and enormous amounts of stress and can likely snap at any moment. I'm just saying, if your in that life now you have to be kind of crazy. Massino knows this. There are a million of young (stupid) wannabe's just in Staten Island just waiting to make a good impression. Anybody who has gone out on a Friday night in Staten Island can attest to this.

Just my two cents.

Moneyman,I had to laugh because you made a good point. I used to live out in Deer Park,and we had our share of cranked up, wannabe,chain wearing,IROC racing cugines. Everybody "knew people",and if you hit Deer Park Blvd on a Friday night you couldn't fling a cannoli without hitting someone who would jump at the chance to "do some work for the boys". It really is a different world now.
Lest you think I'm being politically incorrect,I'm Italian,and these guys are as much an embarrassment to me as they are to themselves. I gotta throw this one out,although it's an oldie. Before I get flamed,let me say it's just a joke.
What does IROC stand for?
A) Italian retard out cruising
or
B) I reek of cologne

If only these kids could find a higher power, and be blessed like you cheech they might have a shot at being a wiseguy.

Looks like the audition lineup for Jersey Shore

1) when I said that about PB I was joking and was referencing TPOGV like his avatar

2) I was completely joking and actually mocking "others" on this site when I was referring to buying anything on ebay

I understand that sarcasm doesnt come across when typed so that is the only reason i am even responding to you

you bring nothing to this forum and you are so far from funny it is even fathomable.

so you could stop the little remarks about me and the threads disparaging me on the other forum and all the pm's you send me talking shit

I find it funny you talk shit on a forum to someone you will never meet...there is a reason i dont respond to you

but I promise you this, if we ever did meet you would think twice about what you say to me, and thats not a threat just the truth

all the best, i hope you beat the addiction you have and I hope you stay out of jail for robbing that old lady

respect

@Lou_Parra I had Deer Park exactly in mind. Anybody who has been in central booking for 6 hours thinks there a tough guy and can step up. I'm not exaggerating when you walk into certain bars/restaurants/night clubs in Staten Island odds are you will overhear some twenty something year old say how he made collections for Joe Schmo over the summer or how much weed he can sell in a week it's crazy. Anyways, any solid earners that have been on the street consistently obviously do not involve themselves with these kinds of jerkoffs.

But the point being there is probably one in a dozen of these types who would actually consider whacking a guy like Massino if he lived openly in the NYC area. Massino affected A LOT of people, remember it's not just the wiseguys you hear about in the paper. When a guy like that flips anybody so much within a ear shot of him shuts down (and thats a lot of people) i.e lots of money still on the table, countless friends and relatives who genuinely feel hate for this guy.

That being said I think Massinno will be in witness protection, way less effective witnesses have gone in.

So.....Casso is next?!

Continue your google search of minors whatever the F it is you do go get your blowout and nails done. You can say that old lady shit all you want. I didn't take it as sarcasm because you do buy mob memorabilia. Just like you bought the Philadelphia Magazine because it Angelo Bruno n Joey Merlino on the cover...I don't have anything against fanboys don't get it twisted cheech. If I ran in to you I would have a lot more to say ...don't make a threat and say its not a threat because it is and further more it gave me a good laugh...Respect

Something has been going on with Casso for the last year +. The BOP says he's been at MINNEAPOLIS CCM for at least a year.

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSer...p;x=77&y=13

You don't go from supermax to CCM for no reason, somethings been going on.

This is the BOP's desciption of MINNEAPOLIS CCM :

Community corrections is an integral component of the Bureau's correctional programs. Community corrections staff develop and administer contracts for community-based correctional programs and serve as the Bureau's local liaison with the Federal courts, the U.S. Marshals Service, state and local corrections, and a variety of community groups.

http://www.bop.gov/DataSource/execute/dsFacilityAddressLoc?start=y&facilityCode=cms

Lou para you said no one cared about Sammy in Arizona? That is not true there were guys sent to kill him financed by higher ups.

Part of Peter Gotti's life sentence includes a conviction for plotting to send guys to AZ to murder Gravano.

i bought that because i collect books and magazines

AHA...i knew it

Cheech you really should never put your name and info on any forum especially an open one like this.

You seem to be a real decent guy to me, i would delete that post if i was you before you get every idiot around calling you.

Yeah....theres an option called "private messages"

i just want that piece of shit to see it, i dont need to hide in a pm

maybe these guys are sick/terminally ill, Massino and Casso, and that could be why they get released.

Didn't Angiulo get kicked a couple years early too..?

As far as Casso goes there are plenty of prisons with medical facilities at them like Butner i think has one, Devlin, and MCFP Springfield(The United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners). No way they send a guy doing multiple life sentences at ADX Florence to any local CCM. I just can't figure this one out.

My guess is an illness that requires medical attention that can only be administered at that particular prison hospital.

Vegas and Snakes:
Thanks for the reminder.I had completely forgotten about the Arizona attempt on the Bull.That's what I love about this Board,the info is always flowing and other posters are quick to pitch in. Next time I'll slow down on the espressos while typing and make sure I take a beat every now and then. Thanks again.
PS:I'm still going to go with the reality pawnshop theory.

Casso was briefly moved to Butner a couple of years ago when he had prostate(?) cancer. I had no idea that he had been transferred out of the Supermax though.

Cheech you a gangsta ,,,"if you see me in the street cheech you don't me!!"

My recollections were that Joe flipped to avoid the death penalty on the Pizzolo murder.

He also got to keep the house for Mrs Joe (nee Vitale).

Releasing is a stretch.

It was the Sciascia murder, IIRC. I suppose that he not only avoided the death penalty but was also asssured that he would not spend the rest of his life behind bars. His health problems probably assist him in that regard as well.

Letting him out would be a disgrace to American Justice system. He got too sweet of a deal in the first place, and now they want o sweeten it even more. Maybe this was planned all along.

How many murders over the years did Massino confess he either did himself or ordered the hit?

The 2004 case involved at least seven counts of either murder or conspiracy to commit murder. You got the three Capos who Sonny Black's crew whacked,plus Tony Mirra,Caesar Bonventure,Sonny Black himself,and the Sciascia hit,which carried the death penalty due to a 1994 change in the Racketeering statutes.

I also think that releasing Massino this soon is a travesty,but remember,it's the Feds who are asking,and they could give a rat's behind about what's fair. They want to keep the door open for the next high ranking snitch,so Gravano and Massino's sweet deals can be used as an incentive.

The Fed's will do whatever it takes to keep the Congressional
Budget money ever flowing and ever increasing.They have no problem pissing away our taxes to keep psychopathic,multiple murderers alive in the Program after they've served a token sentence. As long as they can be perceived as "Breaking The Mob",they'll do anything.

Lou para you couldn't have said it better, what a big joke

Wouldn't it be a bitch if Massino goes into the Program,then pulls a Gravano and gets popped for some more major felonies?

Massino is 70 years old
he's no longer a danger to the community
He's overweight and diabetic
He had people to kill for him
He no longer will have people to kill for him

Gravano was 50 when he was sent free
He was young and still wanted to b active
And had access to young dealers because of his kid Gerard

Has anyone ever told you that you post like you're writing Haiku poems?

Yeah my mother
But she said hyku with a little douche bag thrown in

It really would not surprise me if Massino is being released. At this point, keeping him in jail in his condition for any length of time is basically a death sentence as is. He's overweight, has diabetes, and suffers from high blood pressure.

If the guy lives to be 90 then, yeah, it's a major miscarriage of justice but with his medical state like it is he might last another five years.

I agree that Massino will probably be a better risk in WITSEC than the Bull was. I was half-kidding about him getting involved in any more crime.

On the other side of the coin,it is true that he may only live a few more years,so it would be humane to give him an early release. At the risk of sounding like an ***hole,let me say that I don't think he deserves it, not this soon. He escaped the needle,and I'm sure that as part of his deal he is doing easier time than the average multiple murderer.
Maybe in another few years,but that's just my opinion.

I also had a major problem with the five years that the Bull got for his double digit killings.
As I stated in another thread,I understand why they get these deals,and I think it stinks.

This prison is a real shit hole. Brutal winters and cracks and holes in the walls/windows. He is probably in the hole and worst off then at the ADX.

JMO I have seen/heard bad things about this prison.