What's your opinion on La Costa Nostra Rats ?

I mean do you think Sammy "The Bull" Gravano is the biggest rat, Billy Cutolo Jr (I personally think he did it for a good reason ), Big Ron Previte, and etc .

Joseph Massino and Sammy "The Bull" Gravano are biggest rats.But thanks to them we know this much about mob.

my opinion is if you did the crime then be a man and do the time. the only exceptions are when they try to whack you for no reason. i don't fault guys like chiodo and d'arco because their bosses were demented psychos who were killing people for no reason.

anyone read that article about a dea rat that caught a guy on tape saying tommy shots gioeli had nothing to do with the 1 murder conspiracy he was convicted of. the dea held it from gioelis lawyers it looks like tommy shots is coming home and I would never had thought but holding back evidence is just wrong. wonder how this shit comes out after trial. these is a total mess and that means maybe joel waverly case gets dismissed. all those murders even the cop no convictions and all the murderers walk k letter. I don't see the d.a. giving 5yrs to these rats there gonna get the book.

Sine MM mentioned him, one thing I've wondered ever since I started rereading The Last Gangster is if any other mobsters have given their impressions of Big Ron.

It's about the only thing that would make me want to read Natale's book if it ever gets released.

Scumbags. All rats have their justifications I pay them no mind. I gave Previte some credit for basically admitting he is a self serving scumbag.

But these scumbags are useful for honest citizens. It's a good thing there is no "honor" among criminals and therefore the law enforcement can use rats to put more criminals in jail. If all criminals were true to their so-called "code of honor" and nobody informed on accomplices, life for honest people would be a hell of worst sort.

@mulberry: if you did the crime then be a man and do the time.I totally agree on that,all rats are pu**ies,while they were free they were committing crimes everyday,when they need to do time...ohh thats where problem comes.

My opinion is this: You won't have an opinion until you're in those shoes...

Good point LCN. My take on it is that most of these guys try to justify their actions by saying they had no choice. Examples are "they were gonna hurt my family" and "they were gonna kill me". Frankly I think that if they come after your family all bets are off. That goes for the Lucchese situation with that Casso. Most the time thought they just make up a fuckin excuse and then they pretend thats the reason when in reality, they didn't want to go to the can.
The thing with Cutolo is disputable, as that kid is a wack job who made up most of what he said. Fact is the kid was never even slightly connected and they didnt even use most of his shit. Same thing for Henry Hill; perfect example of a guy who just didnt want to go to the can for 20 years so he lied about them comin after him.
The vast majority of the time I have no sympathy for rat fucks. If you chose that life, you should be man enough to accept the fact that certain issues come with it, like going to prison for extended periods of time.

Vinnie, your last sentence is the same thing i say to anyone about that life. About anyone breaking the law on a daily basis. Whether its the life, sellinf dope on the corner, making book or driving home drunk every friday night. YOU WILL BE CAUGHT AND GO TO JAIL. To think otherwise is idiotic. If your fine with that, then go ahead

Spoken like a true gangsta ...gangsta gangsta!!!

True skinny. I think one should accept responsibility for their actions. I am not a criminal, so I don't choose to take on that life and the responsibilities that come with it.

This but this applies to all gangsters to me and not just mobsters.

they know what that life is about getting whacked goes with it. dont justify making someone else pay for your crime

re: lcn1987 the toddler has an opinion again. ohhhhhhh how cute stay in a childs place stupid!!

strax i would love to see you face down a life sentence

Say your stuck in a cell with casso. Would you call him a pussy to his face? Think about it. Its got nothing to do with how tough someone is physically. Its all mental.

I would convict Casso to death,if he did that many crimes,ordered killings of that much people,he shouldn't be allowed to rat.

If you chosen the life of crime, then you chosen the life of crime. Be a man and answer for your actions. These rats are just saving their own asses, because they've been enough stupid to be caught by the FBI or Police. In short words, they're not real criminals, they're stupid pussies.

If I was caught and I'd have to choose, I better rot in prison but I know - people on the outside will remember me as a hardcore criminal who never broke the code. Than I'd know that someone knows me as a snitch.

And if I'd get the rest of my life to be spent in prison, then I'd probably break the fuck out of there if I'd could. If not, then I'd be killing pedo's and rapists on the inside.

First of all i dont respect omerta but i also dont respect rats. Mobsters are killers so if being a rat means that other killer will go to jail for life then thats fine by me. However i dont believe in light sentences for rats. Guys like Gravano killed 20 people and he was allowed to walk free after a few years and he ended up being a criminal once again.

Depends of the point of view on the concept of pussy. In my opinion, an individual like Tony Accardo, Carlo Gambino etc who send others to kill and think they are above doing the job themselves deserve even more to be called pussies than those rats.

I agree strax. Also with dwalin. I think casso and gravano are some of the lowest scum alive today, (although not necessarily bc they ratted). But i wouldnt call them pussies. Mentally weak or stupid, yes. Not pussys. I wouldnt say massino was a pussy, he was just selfish, his underboss who ratted on him, pussy... It varies imo. This guy frankie steel-pussy. Would i call Tommy Ricardi a pussy? FUCK NO. Nor tumac. Scarpa.... list goes on... Some guys just get backed into a corner and say Fuck you im looking out for me first... Some, like you say are just pussies, but i wouldnt say that for all rats.

@ the guy who says hed like to be remembered as a hardened criminal when hes standing up thru his 20.... LOL. Do yourself a favor and dont start with the "if i was a gangster i would..." shit...

Your comment to Strax seems to suggest you agree with the supposed toddler. I see you lasting at most another week on this site, all i've seen from your comments are insults. Now proceed to call me a bitch or whatever

I don't really know what i think of Informants. On the one hand they bring people like me the majority of the information i know on the mob especially in specifics as well as the fact their testimonies usually bring down scumbags. On the other their usually scumbags themselves and are only doing it to save themselves. I agree with LCN though until you're facing the prediciment they are you can't really call them pussies because you don't really know how you would react.

I wonder who this clown is. My bet is, he is not Italian, is a virgin and lives at home with his whore of a mother. No wonder he's depressed!

There's no need to insult him back just remember that the insults in your comment are probably true

Casso did get his ass kicked by Sal Miciotta in the MCC

I believe those two guys did a little bit of dirty work themselves, especially Accardo.

I read there is a theory Accardo was one of the shooters in the St.Valentine massacre, but is there at least one example of somebody who was personally killed by Gambino?

They "worked" their way to that positions,and that way is not easy at all.

No there's not. In a documentary i seen it said Carlo was killing people for bosses back in Sicily before he came to the US. I don't believe it because there's nothing to back it up and he would've only been 19 or something when he arrived it's not impossible for him to be doing hits at that age but unlikely imo.

In Sicily doing hits with 19 years,very possible.There you have guys that got first murder with 14-15 years.I've heard that Lo Piccolo's son did his first murder when he was 14,also he was shoothing around with 2 guns.

Fair enough. It just sounds unlikely imo of course it's possible and it's clearly quite common in Italy but as i said it's based on nothing as far as i'm aware other than a documentary.

On one hand, it is hard to hold it against them. Everyone constantly acts in their self-interest- they entered the life for self-interest (and not any honor codes or vows) and they exited the life due to self-interest. When it suits them they will be stand-up and get back into the life and when they are facing a lifetime they might as well just get out. Doesn't make it right, just or fair- it's reality.

On the other hand, I absolutely hate when they pretend they had to rat or write books to "speak out against the mob" or had a moral obligation to leave the life. Bullshit. These rats are all almost all sociopaths have zero empathy for the victims or the crimes they committed. They got out when it suited them- otherwise they would have left in the prime of their crime life to preach or whatever.

I also wish they would just be honest, kinda like Ron sometimes, say I left the life because I was facing a shiton of time. It was an easy way out.

Fucks like Sammy, even with ratting, should have got 50 years for their serial killer like crimes. As you can see with Sammy, they will just return to another form of human predation after pretending to be "reformed".

I agree Nicky. I dont know that I would say that I like Ron, nor do I think that he is a particularly good human being, but I respect the fact he makes it clear he flipped out of self interest, and not out of any ethical grandeur. Include the fact that he didn't go into any witness program and is still right in Jersey makes me admire the prick. Not too mention, I think Philly really deserved it. The fact they would make an ex cop, junkies who were Polish with Italian sounding last names (Veasey) and generally had no respect for LCN led to their demise.

right, and what about someone like Fat Pete Chiodo? first they try to whack him, then threaten his family... you want to FORCE a guy to rat, that's the way to do it.

Good point. That was a dumb move by Casso and really showed his psychopathic nature. Going after the guys family? It's not even allowed. But I guess him and Gas were that desperate and stupid. Pete really had no choice after that.

By the way it's La Cosa Nostra. New York is full of rats and incompetence. Rats will kill the Mafia, not attrition. It's quality that you want, not quantity.

Ideally, you want both. Because you can have all the quality in the world but, if they all die out, then you've got nothing.

IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME DO NOT DO THE CRIME.

If you ask me when deals are done to rat people out criminals know they can kill people at will knowing if arrested down the line they can just rat and get out of jail no rat evidence in court and i bet the murder rate would drop like a stone.

Was scarpa sr. a rat or a cooperator?

Is there a difference?

Nope.

(Yeah, I know it was rhetorical )

I am not taking the side of rats, but I think that Frank Ganngi did the world a favor by ratting out Tommy Pitaro. Just think of how many lives he saved. Had he not ratted, I doubt Pitaro would have been stopped. Who knows how many people he really killed???

You know somebody who hates rats as much as Casso it must kill his self esteem to become what he hated most, almost the worst punishment he could have gotten, I cant imagine earning all those stripes and then throwing them away, and still doing life.

My brother took his time instead of being a "rat", so I cant respect somebody who ends peoples lives, but sings for there freedom.

The two biggest "Anti-Rats" has to be Gene Gotti and John Carniglia, both of whom are doing 50 years without ratting

"What's your opinion on La Costa Nostra Rats?"

Honestly..? The more the merrier! Without them, we´d still be asking who the fuck is Joe Bonanno? We´d be arguing whether Carlo Gambino was the real boss or just acting for Vito Genovese while the dude was in prison and we would be throwing insults at guys, calling them insane for trying to explain that there really is a formal structure within a Family. And we would have treated The Arm and EastHarlemItalian like gods, kissing their asses. What a nightmare!

LMFAO

"Rats are a necessary evil, they thin the herd!"

Kind of Bean ,I say between rico, and the guys that kill 19 people then lie the Feds have an unfair advantage.

Now if it was on the up and up , I would say necessary evil.

The way it is now, no way fair,(They have a license to kill and lie)

LOL @ HK