Nicky Scarfo Atlantic City House - Present Day

Was in the neighborhood last week and checked out N Georgia Ave apartment (have pictures but not sure how I can paste them into a thread - if someone can let me know). Anyway, the address looks very similar to the old pictures - probably hasn't changed much at all. The area is still Italian but those of you who are not familiar with AC - the town is pretty much run down - this street is no exception. Largely hispanic now also and lesser extent African American.....Give Nicky credit for staying in the area as I am sure he could have upgraded to a nearby town. I read Leonettis book and can now see what he meant when he mentioned sneaking out the back yard and nearby houses, there are a lot of homes and close together streets. The street is about a par 4 away from the closest casino but kind of away from the center of the boardwalk. Back to the apartment - it looked the building was a four unit building - again doesn't look like much work has been done to the complex recently at all. There was even a unit for sale it appeared.
If Atlantic City doesn't get their act together and do some things differently, the place will be a ghost town and will turn even worse. Casinos in big trouble - Revel is on a lifeline. Nearby gaming and casinos are really having a negative impact. They need a big summer.

He lives in egg harbor

Apologies , meant Little Nicky and his living arrangements back in the day.

Oh sorry i misunderstood

@joselevens you are right about AC it is really sad, I mean Caesars and Taj are really nice but, you have to get off the Boardwalk and go to the Borgata for a real nice time and you are right they need a huge Summer especially Revel, if that fails then there will be some problems in AC..........its not a bad time over there at all, they just need to market it better to people in the Eastern half and Midwestern part of the nation as opposed to just the Northeastern corridor

IDK, after being in Vegas about 20 times in the last 5 years I had a chance to meet a buddy in AC last summer and I was never so disappointed, the place is a crime ridden dump if you ask me...

The 'silk hat' has just about fallen off of the pigs head. Does that one casino still go over top of that one house that refused to sell? That was the funniest shit I ever seen. They built the casino right over top of the house. Must of been Trump that did that one.

Does anybody know when Mousie and Damion get sentenced this month

No sure when Mousie and Dame get sentenced but soon - think Nicodemo has a court date soon too.
Unfortunately unless you are inside one of the casinos (not all) you are most likely in a shitty part of town.
Not to get too political but they need a Giuliani in there or Chrisie to clean that town once and for all - all they have had are Dinkins and Nutters and it's gone to hell.
I grew up in the 80s and the placed was packed - now it's a couple years away from extinction.

I agree with that, the strip mall area is a good clean area, but you are right it needs to be cleaned up fast

If you're a real gambler, Revel isn't for you. The place sucks.

About the town being shitty outside of the casinos...why would anyone go outside the casinos? I'm down there at least twice a month for the past 20 years, and I don't think I've ever been outside the casino on the street or the boardwalk even.

my friend used to live down there, some really crappy areas. compared to vegas, all of the casino's down there are certainly lacking, the borgata is the only one on the level of the vegas csaino's. whitehouse cheesesteaks is amazing, its well worth the long wait!

Article on philly .com today about Revel getting out of bankruptcy. Probably some creative refinancing.

"Revel exits bankruptcy, hopes for a strong summer"

http://articles.philly.com/2013-05-14/bu...effrey-hartmann

Personally we don't really like Revel much. Like Five Felonies we almost always hit the Borgata when we're in town.

AC is a dump and i doubt the numbers get much better for the casino's there. Just too much competition from local states and everyone seems to be chasing the same dollar. Only sports betting will dramatically add to the profit line and i have no idea whats going on with that.

Maybe a high end red light district would help.

Some high end bordello's and some killer weed shops. That should class the area up.

They get the sports betting that will help but they need to get a conservative mayor in there to clean the town up and also get the casinos to start catering to people in the south with cheap flights not that ripoff spirit air and great deals....summer will tell though....borgata is fun i have heard harrahs is also fun and my friends said the tropicana is cheap and can be a blast

I lived in Ventnor while attending Stockton College. The southern end of AC after the tropicana isn't such a bad area.

Why would you want to go to stockton ?

I hope nj never legalizes sports betting. Ever. If you want to bet sports bet online or with a local. Hell send me a money order qnd ill take ur action. Im anti offshorr but jesus, the state will ruin it. Bet locally, put money into your economy!

skinny ,just a heads up jr. lived in egg harbor township about 10 miles from egg harbor ...and the houses in A C one was a house with the office on first floor ,thats were it all went on..the house on top is where nickys kids and wife lived ,next door was his moms apt.buliding . right in the middle was a driveway with a rolling steele gate .Down the driveway lead to a big open court yard ,that yard lead to 6 or seven allys to get out of there on artic ave or florida ave.thay used the court yard to park phils concrete trucks..and some nice cars.

And the allys to get away by car or by foot ,cars had to be parked on other streets.and it was done to come and go .the feds were mainly over by the church in one of the apts, Thay had a clear view all the way to artic ave.even Angelonies back and side door ,and we used them alot.

OOO and the guy that would sit and watch for nicky and Phillip just happens to be a brother to a famous ball player and coach.His name is chris ford .He was a ducktown guy...

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The street that he lived on and up toto where the Expressway comes into the city all the way down to ventnor was in good shape back in the 80s....now east of the expressway {up town} was shit from around the 50s..Now the whole city looks like {up town }all but the beach block and when u get up around ventnor it is ok..Now ventnor is turning to shit ...I live two towns up in Longport and have to pay 15,000.00 taxis to keep it right....But i was born in ducktown and was with that fam for 30 years..

Ducktown?

Yes ducktown that where scarfo lived it is like say south Philly or west side....it is a 3 block by 4 or so block area in A.C. was all Italian back in the day.

Ah.

Cheers mate.

Love the White House and Angeloni's. That's Ducktown right?

Right on the money....

In that part of town there was 15 or more bar and restaurants maybe more but at least 5 or 6 were liked and used by the Scarfo fam.Angelonis wow we loved it there and some of the fam worked there,and drank and ate. The owner is Allen and what a great guy he is..we would leave the office and say we were going to attitude adjustment hour to get away from nick that would to into 5 hour adjustment..

After Scarfo's mother died who got the property in Ducktown? Nicky Sr? His sister (Phil's mom)? Nicky Jr? Any idea who owns it now?

I know originally Scarfo's father owned the property then i would guess it went to the mother after her husband died back in the 1970's, but then who got it after Scarfo's mother passed away? Wasn't Scarfo's sister in the WPP with her son Phil under a new name? Just curious about the chain of ownership and who owns it now.

GCarlo i will find out and post tomorrow , Do you need to know or just want to know?

Serpiente, did you know Buddy who had this great club in AC back in the 80's?

DO you mean the disco on new york and the boardwalk ?

Just curious...nothing important though. Reason i wondered was because of his sister going into the WPP and Nicky's hatred of her after Phil flipped and how that shit worked out after their mother passed away. Then if the sister did get the property, who got it when she died? Who knows maybe Phil inherited it. In his book Phil said Scarfo blamed him and his mother for driving Mark to try to kill himself. Naturally Scarfo wouldn't blame himself for it. It would drive Scarfo Sr totally insane if Phil somehow ended up with the family property.

yes, but he used to also own one on top of an Italian restaurant on the corner. I think know he is at the Hard Rock Hotel in florida. the guys did very well. I think the clucb was either Deja vu or surfside?

u r right but before it was shea paree .you know alot about the guys how old r u...The other clubs you speak of were down here in margate

sorry shea first late 70s very begining of disco

What corner ..? i can tell u i need the aprox street.

Used to go down there a lot when they first opened Gambling. The clubs were the best. l also used to go to the greenhouse. Never went to that DJ jerkoff's place in MArgate. Buddy's was always too good of a time.
About the Philly Mob, saw a few guys when I was out, some loud mouths and obvious some where gentlemen. Never understood why Philadelphia made Ron Previte and because what happened with George Fresolone, the Commission should have stopped recognizing them.

Buddy is good people and knew how to run a club, But the Philly guys are and were assholes so he had to b connected to b able to touch them when they went crazy..and that guy that helped him was Phil..Phil was as cool as a cucumber sr.was the only one that rattled Phil. Previte complete idiot and his boss was also he could not get Italians to work for him he had xcops german Irish Dutch..Previte is Italian but he is not right.geo flipped and then died..dont know his blood line .

Margate the Geeter with the heater.gave nicky sr. cash that how he stayed around..ooo and we drank all his booze.

@Serpiente: What ever happened to Anthony "Spike" DiGregorio? I just finished Blood and Honor the other day and I don't believe there was made any mention of what happened to him after Scarfo was arrested.

Also, is the pizzeria where John Stanfa worked still in existence?

I think he went to vegas i think and got pinched ..but not sure you know it all fell apart quick in A.C. after phil flipped.

yes Giancarlo his sister is in the wwp.

Yeah he was hiding Nicky Milano after he went on the run the feds found him in December '88 at Spikes place out their, anyone know if Spike was charged for hiding him?

According to Leonetti's book Spike was in florida then was in Vegas, and then he moved back to Florida and died there. He doesn't give the year though.

Phil's mother died in 1999 so i guess she's not in the WPP anymore.

Salvie's voice @ 0.59-1.02?

"Just let us go by. Excuse us". Never heard Salvie on tape before but I think that's him. He was closest to the cameras in that footage and it's not Scarfo or Leonetti.

What do you guys think?

That house is being forclosed on I believe. A friend of mine does real estate in Nj

dont know who got it but the apt.buliding is owned by Melo LLC and Nickys house is owned by a Selvi Manduso...

Hey Serpiente been following your posts,very knowledgeable and nice guy to boot.I also read that Leonetti book and that part about the guy that was paid maybe a couple of hundred a week plus free rent was Ford's brother.You could have wrote that book.was ''Nick the Blade'' as crazy as they say.i liked that 1 story at this coffeehouse on the boardwalk where some bookies and stuff would hang and they made fun of and always cheated this 1 guy out of his money.So the ''Blade'' goes in and sits down and doesn't even look at his cards and says another winner,and he kept doing it until he got back all the guy's money.I loved that story.

Yes just like Phil said give him booze and its over.when i was 14 he was drunk and he would tell it i mean all of it..and i can see him doing the card game thing but he did not tell me that..tell you what would make him nuts when his son would come around and we would yell penknife dont kmow y Blade would go crazy but he did..dont say penknife around him..he really would shot you.

Fords bro yea did not know it was in the book i guess bc i was there and we all asked who was around,,i did read the book .And he put my fam name in it but he was nice..

Yes I see what your saying it seemed like the Blade could turn on you at a minute's notice.I wasn't sure if that was his son but I kind of figured it was.I love those old stories.

yea me to i have not talked about then in a long time,we were just kids .Phil and me and Lawrence all hit the 18 year old drinking age.so we could go anywhere at 17

In Leonetti's book there was a decent picture of The Blade in Leesburg State Prison. Phil went to visit him there one day. Looks like it's from the early 70's.

yea it is deff.from then,Blade aged so quick dont remember if he had organ problems but yea he fell apart fast booze he would binge .,

is that lawrence merlino you speak of?

Yes

i know he is older ,but i think you get what in mean..drinking age was 18 for a while around here..i guess all over

Yep...18 was the age back then in NJ. So if you were even close, say 15 with some decent fake id you had a shot at getting served. Fake ABC cards were pretty popular back in those days.

ok then u must be around 53to56 or have alot of time on your hands..thats what we did

Fake NJ paper licenses too....before the photo DL's came out. Made a killing off of those.

Was in Atlantic City this weekend and stopped by Georgia ave again. Was looking for a place to have lunch and figured I would walk past. Took some pics which I can upload later ... I think I mentioned in this thread last year but the place is extremely run down. The church is across the street thru the parking lot..there was a gentlemen outside his house two doors down from Nicky's building. He had lived there through the whole scarfo era. Nice guy so I chatted up with him for a bit. He said he did some renovation on his house in 1981 and there was a news article on it - I guess the it was a real old building - anyway he said the article turned into an article on Nicky. He said he felt bad so he walked over and apologized to Nicky and he said not to worry about it - happened all the time. He also said that Nicky and Phil and the crew were all really nice good people but then he also said "but I didn't do business with them". I was going to have lunch at angelonis but it wasn't open. The whole area is Mexican now - the guy said there was one Italian family all the way down the street but that's it.

Jose : was the guy Billy ? and he and u r right it is just how you say, T he people down street is just a mother and a son . And one lady across the street that is it on that block.

Angeloni's i think is closed for lunch on weekends but open mon.thru fri. Angelos is open 7 days a week for lunch and dinner.
The whitehouse is a half block down.

Serp- sorry didn't ask his name...older guy probably mid 70s his house was closer to Atlantic than Angelonis so on the other side from scarf inc building...said he vacationed in Orlando ... Would seem that he kept to himself - also said he used to live in Iran of all places before the revolution

It was funny I was taking a couple pics and he made a comment like "Nicky's not home right now" started chatting from there

Wow that,s not Billy then, I know the building that he must live in cos i knew all the people that lived in the single family houses, there is a Apt. building next to st. Mikes lot.
Hard to believe people must do that often for him to say that .But i cant place him. When you said two houses from, there is only one guy that is left from the day that has a single family house,but that is five apts. now did you go back them allys the one on three sides of the buildings they had there are thirty houses on each side 90 families lived there . The hole ducktown was like, that now the houses i live in the range of 5299 sq. ft I don't know how we did it and my mothers bro. lived with us for a few years.Then he went far five houses up the ally.

So you're saying the house you live in today is in the range of 5299 sq feet?

well close i hit the nine, 5200 y

This guys house was brown with a light color second story .. Brown steps up to the front door .. He said it doesn't happen often actually - 6 months ago he saw someone else do it. I took some pics of the alley between the Nicky's apt building and scarf inc I walked into that alley also and took some more towards the back. There are so many doors and alleys and nooks and all that - I've been around there before but it's pretty amazing how they built those units in there. This guy said he ran some buildings he owned as a job back in the day. I almost popped in duck town tavern but I had my fill the night before

The duckTown is a newer bar couple of firemen opend it,The building was a bar before. But lots of the old crew does go there.I still go to the same places that i went to in the 70s if they are still standing.You can't tell but it was a great place to grow up.Even Angeloni's was the club Madrid in the 70's

Serp - old crew going there meaning who ? No offense to anyone who still lives in that area but I just couldn't imagine hanging around that place, imagine coming out of there with half a load on and you're basically in the slums - i guess there is a market for it and yes there are firehouses with Irishmen everywhere but I wouldn't frequent that area unless I had to. It sucks every time I go to AC it gets worse . On the other hand there was a good amount of activity on the boardwalk yesterday and today - helped by warmer weather but at least the boardwalk and casinos weren't totally depressing. Stayed at the Taj Mahal the newer tower - it was pretty nice actually and the room hallways view were good. Didn't manage to get into scores like I wanted but next time. Hopefully it's better than. Bare Exposure on Atlantic - that place is always pretty sketchy.

Hey jose can you go ahead post those pics of scarfos house, im sure we would all like to see it!!

The young guys late 20 ,30 s todays firemen and cops that have to live in the city to get a job.Also the familys of these people still live in ventnor margate longport etc.There are very few people left that lived here but once a year they do a old duck town thing and the people come out of the towns and citys around.I was shocked the people that are still around .But they come. And yes it is a shit hole and i hate to say it.In the day it was down rite great.Back in the day we had the young Frank sinatra Dean Martin Jerry Lewis Sammy Davis Joe DiMaggio and lots lots more just walking around .We had same thing little Italy had just real small ,They would do shows on the piers the 500 club was a half a block from the white house and they loved it and all the stars before they were mega stars but people knew who they were just walking around duck town. Telling you it was great as a kid and young adult,not now....

That sounds pretty cool Serp - I'm sure it was great in the summer too - it's unfortunate the hood changed.
Del- I would but I don't know how to put the pics on here from my iPhone..if anyone can let me know Ill be happy to.

I figured how to post the pics but I'll have to wait until tomorrow to get on my desktop computer ..

Ya im sure u can figure out how to do it by googleing it.

Jose : Did u get a shot of the 25 ft steel roll gate between the two property's it is still there,it leads back to a court yard where a lot of fun things went on ,we put up a 12 ft block wall around the property line back in,god the late 70s early 80s. Nick was getting very weary people could hop over a little wood fence.All that is still there.(gate and all)

Yes I have a couple shots of that steel beam there connecting the two properties .. I went back in the courtyard and had a quick look around. Actually the neighbor also told me that they built some sort of wall in the back - black wall ? He said that it was put up to keep people and others out - that may be what you are taking about .. He said it was put up around the time that they were having trouble in Philly .. I couldn't really understand the gentlemen too well and he was aging a little bit but that might be it Serpiente .. You'll see the pics tomorrow but there are the fire escapes on the upper floors which I think is where Nicky lived

I will tell you what is what and the doors Phil talks about in his book and what rooms are what. Ans yes it is a block wall 12 ft high all the way around on three sides cos the fourth side is the front.I have to know the old guy i was born on that block.The house on right Nick got after he moved here ,The mom and dad had the apt. building on left and they all had fire escapes.Unless someone stole them for scrap after my family moved.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4ze5xpwr7huqen3/cQFYFf7lO7?lst

Thanks for posting those Jose. The one pic you got looks just like the one in Phil's book where he is standing outside the apartment in 2011.

Thanks haven't had a chance to comment yet...
Yeah the day I took the pics it was pretty quiet around the street and the alleys - the building through the parking lot is the church .. I probably could have managed a couple more in the back yard but the way that area is now I didn't want to press the issue .. I'm sure Serpiente will have a few comments but a lot if the pics are of the same - I'm wondering if that steel gate connecting the two buildings was used for protection maybe or what..
It's all Mexican now

Jose nice pic: I can give a little info i guess every one knows the three property's from Phil,s book and or there has been a couple video's.Photo # 1#2 is the front door to the grams apt.building, there were some people that were in the book ,that when it said lived in one of Scarfos apts.thats the building.

# 3 is the steel gate that was put up right before ,or just after Salvi if my memory is right,and where grams would come out and yell at people poking around, Feds , news ect.# 4 same and office door ,sorry (Scarf Inc.)door the house on top is where Mimi and the kids lived.They always said dads apt. (so sr always kept one next door.# 5 is the ally where Phil and Sr. could sneek out to Fla.ave. where there would always be someones car. But not the only way to the cars.

# 8 St. Michaels school where we all went ,and married,And father let the Feds stay and take some pictures.Some pictures seam to come from the angle of the convent that not in your shot.
# 9 Scarf Inc. door.
# 12 from court yard looking out,after like 1974 the concrete trucks were parked back there,and others that would come. You know made guys would pull in then gate would drop.
# 13 my favorite Angeloni's side door (not back)
# 14 Scarf Inc. and grans apt. building,but in the ally right before the house (office)would be the ally that in the book i think well if all were would be in kitchen you would go about 10 feet and there was a side door of second floor that was added ,and that door goes down the ally on the other side to the stashed cars.
#17 # 22# 26 is the where Chris Ford brother keep watch from the porch(I would not say that but he said it in a book or a video)he just did not say where but that it.
# 19 # 20 Is the famous angle where the made guys would stand out front one shot had a 17 year old George all the way to Nick sr. and Chuckie.

Thanks Jose ,That was a album

Serpiente - I knew you would appreciate

# 13 Can not hang like back in the day but sure wish i could,I think we started there at least 3 nights a week.

Giancarlo - wondering your thoughts in the pics of Nicky's place ..

Was just looking at some old philly articles I'm calling super bullshit on crazy phills reason to flip. Never mind all the bullshit be wrote about in his book and how his uncle didn't care about his son suicide attempt. He convincingly left out that fact his mother Nancy was indicted for union no show jobs that got her paid plus stealing pensions. Be forgot to leave that out of every interview.book.talkshow. this guy was a con man a d him and his mom are screwed up. Then to steal money this guys a fraud.

I think I'm all read up and experienced on Phil L and Nicky. .. I'm not sure what to think about Phil but one thing is for sure if Nicky was active Phil would be gone in a heartbeat.
Now that Narducci and the Merlino crew is out , Leonetti is old news - Mazzone, Sonny , Johnny , Georgie , Joey , Phil N , Phil Ligambi , Uncle Joe .. Philly is strong again - just need lucibello , Angelina , and a few others .. Soon