question about Europe influence

do the Albanians have more power, wealth and influence europe and worldwide over the italian mafias? (ndragheta, camorra) etc.

Couldn't you realise it by reading replies in your thread: "Most Powerful CO in the world"

'Ndrnangheta is alone more powerful than Albanians,and if you would compare them to all OC groups in Italy,which would include: Cosa Nostra,Camorra,'Ndrangheta,Sacra Corona Unita and Stidda.Answer is definitely no.

No criminal group surpasses the Ndrangheta in terms of power in Europe. After all, the Ndrangheta largely controls the European cocaine trade. While it's true that Albanians, Kurds, Turks, South Asians ( Pakistanis, Sikhs and Bengalis), Serbs & Montenegrins and Mhallami run the smack trafficking, the fact remains that cocaine is a much more desired narcotic than heroin in Europe.
Only in the UK, Ireland and the south of France the Ndrangheta has a negligible influence on the cocaine trade. In the UK and Ireland because British and Irish groups have succesfully set-up direct links to Colombian cartels. In the south of France because the Corsican clans still hold influence over there and because North African groups ( and in turn the Gypsies they often run with) often have deals with the AQIM who in their turn have links with Colombian cartels.
In any other European country you can bet your life on it that the Ndrangheta has a finger in the trafficking of cocaine.

Drita isn't that powerful

who's the drita?

It's just another name for the 'Ndrnangheta.

so why did mob man say they weren't that powerful?

Well they are most powerful in Europe.

I don't have a clue, it's not as if he in anyway explained what he meant

i always looked at the 80% of coke imported into europe as a bit high, maybe for all branches of italian OC together, not just the calabrians. still, only a fool would challenge the notion that they are the tops dogs in the coke business over there. however, the market is so vast that there is still plenty of room for other groups to bring in large amounts of their own, like i'm sure the nigerians do.

its worth pointing something out though: while they are responsible for bringing in the majority, they sell wholesale to other powerful groups who then take over the distribution in their own areas, be it russian, polish, albanians ect. people often get confused and assume that since they bring in a large %, that they are in charge of the local distribution all over europe, which is false, and often leads to disagreements as to who controls the powder.

@Five_Felonies: you are right,but it still doesn't change a fact that they are most powerful group in Europe.

i've always agreed with that!

Well imo,italians will always play big role in the world organized crime.

Ndragheta is the most powerful in Europe (rivaled by eurasian OC)......

and the ndragheta is probably the second most powerful after the drug cartels worldwide

If they're most powerful in Europe. Then in what ways are they most powerful? And if so, why haven't then they taken out the smaller groups or at least made them to pay up a percentage?

Great resources must put in alot time and effort to find those facts keep it up.

Though these kinds of debates are largely futile, as it's not like tennis rankings or whatever, controlling the lion's share of the European cocaine trade (in addition to their other interests) would make the 'Ndrangheta one of the top OC groups in Europe, if not the top. But one could argue the 'Ndrangheta (and the Italians) in general have more of a presence in Western Europe while the Russians (and other Eurasian OC groups) have more of a presence in Eastern Europe. And the big dogs don't necessarily have to push everyone else aside. For instance, I read an article a while back about how the 'Ndrangheta even allows other ethnic groups to control certain rackets (prostitution, counterfeit goods, etc) within it's own territory, without much interference on it's part, because it's involved in and making plenty of money from it's own interests.

I call troll....

This is all true. Essentially 'Ndrangheta seem to operate like CEOs when working internationally: they're happy to have smaller groups actually running and profiting from operations but expect overall control and to have money kicked up.

I really don't think its possible to estimate quite how enormous 'Ndrangheta is, but I think you have to see it in terms of top 5 organised crime groups in the world. I think its a little unfair to compare 'Ndrangheta with the "Russian mafia", as the Russians are made of a number of independent crime groups, not one cental body. You can maybe compare the power of Italian OC groups with Russian OC groups, but to get an accurate view of the power of individual groups, you can only really compare 'Ndrangheta with Solntsevskaya Bratva. Elsewhere in Europe Comorra/Cosa Nostra/Albanians/Turks don't really come close.

Don't forget 'Ndrangheta's behind-the-scenes control of legit organisations is almost incalculable and has infiltrated locations where they don't maintain large-scale criminal organisations. For example, a number of major property purchases on Oxford St (London's version to Fifth Avenue) has been linked to 'Ndrangheta. That led to hysterics about horses heads in London beds or whatever mafia-stereotype crap people dream up, but in reality they're obviously just going to rent the buildings out to completely legit companies at a huge profit, like any other property tycoon.

Basically 'Ndrangheta is a completely entrepreneurial organisation, probably just as legit as it is criminal, and I think it's crazy just to measure their power just based on the amount of cocaine moved through porta gioia tauro. That said, cocaine trafficking alone is estimated to bring more money into Italy annually than Fiat - Italy's biggest legit company.

Majority of cocaine that's traffic goes through the Portugal/Spain area and the rest through other regions in Europe. Therefore whatever large amounts that get to the Italian ports are the ones that Ndrangheta have most the control over it.

Some Ndrangheta clans are also involved in local distribution. I wouldn't call them entirely legit. Some clans are what you could call 'gangsters's gangsters' and not afraid to show it.

see i've heard that as well, and i've also heard a sizeable amount comes in through rotterdam also, europe's largest port i believe. now, whats the common factor in both of these places: the calabrians have well entrenched cells in both countries.

In Spain,there is also big presence of Cosa Nostra and Camorra members.

Most of the cocaine coming through Spain is controlled by the 'Ndrangheta.

A feeling here like there's some Ndragheta members on this forum.

To be honest, they maybe hold some influence in Europe with their cocaine trade, but there's a shitload of other groups as well out there. I can say for 100% that there's no cocaine from Ndragheta in the Baltic States and Poland. And they as well don't control shit here. There's already enough of Russian figures here ready to cut each other's throat for the smallest dispute.

Hopefully you're not referring to me. One, I've seen more of these dick-measuring contests than anyone and I can't stand "ethnic homers." Two, I'm neither Italian or Russian so I have no dog in the fight. Three, you'll notice I've largely refrained from getting involved in the current threads about "Who's the Most Powerful." Like I said, it isn't tennis rankings. Power can be measured in any number of ways. I'm simply saying that, if people are going to make comparisons, they need to have the right info to begin with.

Russians are in control of prostitution all over Europe,you also have girls from Russia working in night clubs in South Italy.

I have a feeling like you are "fan" of Russian mafia

In Belgium most prostitutes are actually Albanian, Bulgarian and Bulgarian-Turkish.
Right over the border in Germany ( Aachen, Cologne ) most girls are Turkish, Albanian, Kurdish or German.
Albanians, Turks, Kurds, Bulgarians ( ethnic Bulgarian as well as Bulgarian Turks ) and German Hells Angels still seem to be in charge of that racket in this region.

Speaking of Hells Angels (and other outlaw bikers), do the European ones report to the bosses in America or are they 2 completely autonomous organizations?

albanians control a large part of the heroin trafficking along with the turks
but ndrangheta and italian mafias control a large part of cocaine, that is the most profitable drug in europe
they are involved in tons of other and more diversified crimes like money laundering, costructions, transports, food industry, waste disposal, public works (in italy and other countrries) etc...
italian mafia has a major economic and political power than albanians so it's by far stronger
i think albanians are the third strongest after italians and russians in europe, because they seem more organized than turks

From my point of view they are completely autonomous organizations. There are contacts between European bosses however. Dutch and German Hells Angels are often to be found on the same events, probably because the Netherlands and Germany are the two countries with the strongest -not to forget the most criminally active- Hells Angels membership. Eventhough a lot of strong German Hells Angels chapters have been banned ( Frankfurt, Kiel, Berlin,...).

But don't they have an international chapter president, like Taco Bowman for the Outlaws?

No, they do have a national chapter president however. In Germany it was Frank Hanebuth, while Daniel Uneputty was the Dutch chapter president.