Most Powerful Mobster Outside of New York

The vast majority of us here firmly agree that when it's a question of who has the most power and influence in New York,other than the actual bosses, the 116th crew is the logical answer. But outside the five families who would you say is the most powerful mobster in they'r given city/area? Was thinking this would make for a good discussion, as everybody is entitled to theyr own opinion...

Thanks

That one is easy to figure out.

I'll go out on a limb and say Anthony"Tony the Genius"Megale has been the most significant made guy to come out of Connecticut in a recent years

John DiFronzo, maybe not what they were years ago but the boss of the outfit still has some clout..

Good topic, nice switch up from "which mobster had the best muscles/hair" etc. thats been goin around lately........as for who is the most powerful, besides 5 family operatives in the tri-state, i'd probably agree with Difronzo. But i've also heard reports that he is basically retired/legit so who knows...interested to see what everyone else thinks/

DiFronzo would certainly be the wealthiest mobster far and away...followed by his brother Pete. In terms of clout I would also probably say DiFronzo. He's still the boss but leans on his brothers and Marco D'Amico to pass his orders along.

Are you sure FiveFelonies doesn't make this list? Toughest computer typer I know!

John Difronzo. Worth around 30 million. No one outside of New York is close to that

I would say more...his crew (and he personally) own property up and down Grand Avenue. DiFronzo has interests in car dealerships everywhere...from Parillo to Al Piemonte. He owns bars, taverns, grocers and pieces of probably every video gaming company under the Outfit's unmbrella...not to mention the large construction firms that Pete owns.

He's also been boss of the entire organization for well over a decade. That's a lot of money funelling up.

Where are the East Coast fanboys here to tell us we are wrong ? A few guys like Dom Cirillo, Migliore, Malangone, etc. are certainly wealthy...but not on DiFronzo's level.

no "fanboys" are going to disagree with that statement fratto, because its common knowledge that he is well off. it still, however, doesn't change the fact that the outfit is nowhere near what it used to be, despite a few articles written by subpar authors with obvious agenda's who are seemingly stuck in the 70's. there is little ability to reason with delusional people, so its best not to even try and just let time and the facts do the work for you!

Megale spent a ton of time in the Bronx, Tony. He came out of the Stamford area and that's where he'll return when he comes home next year. But he was getting close to the Bronx faction even when he was coming up under Breezy and Frank. And for the record, Megale is the ONLY guy to be made in the Connecticut faction of the Gambinos in recent years. Tony was the last Gambino in that state to get his button, and that was back in '88 or '89.

Even the DePreta kid that just got pinched last summer, who the Feds described as "Connecticut's highest ranking Gambino," is still an associate. I just think the Gambinos are leery of making any of the Fairfied guys because of all the trouble up there back in the '80s and '90s.

Other than Megale, it was a giant clusterfuck. Frank and Breezy both ended up getting whacked. Davy Crockett went into the program. Nick Melia (a standup guy if ever there was one) could never decide where he really fit (the Connecticut Gambinos or the Calabrians that his brother ran up in Canada and in New England). Then there was Taylor (a non-Italian associate), who ran one of the biggest sportsbooks in the entire country. When he got tired of going to jail he pretty much quit the business, and he was a CASH COW. Just too much aggravation.

If they're going to make a Gambino in Connecticut anytime soon it will be Dean DePreta, but I wouldn't hold my breath. And he's looking at a pretty long stretch in prison anyway (if convicted).

Ahhh i heard of TB.... Whos he with pb?

Fratto is in jail with limited internet access. You don't sound as tough anymore, what happened to the tough street talk? Are you from Utah too?

Where do you get the credibility to call someone a "subpar" author there Professor? lol of course the Outfit is nowhere near what it used to be...nor is any crime family in the country. Not sure who you think disagrees with that statement.

He was with Tony Megale, and he was pretty tight with Gerry the Head, Johnny Rosa, Stoogie. Those old time Stamford guys who hung around the golf course and the boatyard. He was also close to the Riccitellis up in Bridgeport and New Haven. He had friends all over, though. He was actually pretty friendly with Vinny Basciano, which is kinda bizarre because two more different people in this world do not exist.

I know you're a student of the sportsbook, Skin. So believe me when I tell you, those guys made MILLIONS with Taylor. But he pretty much gave things up after his last stretch. Last I heard he had a half sheet, which would be like Obama going back to being a community organizer. But Taylor was a MUCH better bookmaker than Obama is a President .

my friend Mike Pepe was the only one to plead guilty in that case, he got a year and a 100k fine i believe...the rest are going to trial

no one was made in the whole bust thought they talked it up a gambino thing which it was but they never said who the soldier was in ny that got the kick backs

also from what i hear the hells angels were the muscle when it came time to collect

what i heard not saying its true

Megale got in trouble for messing with Harry...Harry wound up snitching...been to harry o's and beamers many times as i worked in downtown stamford in 06-09...

harry o's is a whore house and beamers is legit

everyone knows harry o's is a whore house with poker machines but they let it be

why?

Excuse me. Just saw three more plead guilty on Daps site

Where it took place in Hamden is where I live. Card game got shut down within a month. They thought it was the 70s and quickly found out it is not

He said most powerful. Not the richest.

The guy with the most power right now you probably never heard of unless you are in the know

Don't kid yourself (not just you Nicky). But google and the Feds don't always have it right. Plenty of people under the radar. Not just the guys you see in the paper.

Because a guy hasn't been busted doesn't mean he's not active. Guys went underground. It's not like you see in the movies. Cadillacs aren't parked in front of social clubs all day playing pinochle. They own insurance companies, broker firms...they hang out in expensive restaurant bars, country clubs, etc.. Those days of hanging where anyone can see you are over. You got guys making millions on gambling not even having to answer the phones. No wire rooms. Just login and look at the balance. Pay $20 a head and someone in Costa Rica does it all for you. It's a new world

Harry is a fuckin bum, kid. He owed both of those places to a tough old Irishman named Billy Smith. Billy was completely independent, yet his shy book rivaled anyone's in Stamford's. He made an absolute fortune in air conditioning and refrigeration, then put the money on the street---lol.

Billy's dead going on twenty years now, so he's well before your time. Anyway, he looked out for Harry Farrington like a son because Harry was close to the biker crowd in Fairfield and they helped him collect his shy back then. But in the end, Harry fucked him too. I said that guy was a piece of shit twenty years ago (to his face as well as behind his back, in case anyone is interested), and I was right.

And for the record, for such a big guy Harry couldn't even fight a little bit. He was only tough when his biker buddies were around. I saw him get knocked cold at Pellicci's one night by a guy half his size. He tried to beef about it until he found out that he couldn't do anything about it .


Because Harry was a fucking snitch the whole time, long before Tony Megale came home from jail (and tried to help the ungrateful cocksucker).

I knew he was a rat twenty years ago, and I'm not just saying that. You guys all know me here. I rarely get excited. But that guy is just no fucking good.

I heard similar things PB. He still profits those places I hear. Not saying its true just what I hear. Guys a scumbag

And that's why they still let it go on. Stamford is a corrupt city.

Oh yeah. I'll pm you tomorrow because I have a few things to do right now. But if you want I'll tell you a few good stories about that town .

There's MANY guys in Chicago with lots of power under the radar that you won't find online and on charts . I've said many times you can't find everything online. With DiFronzo you gotta remember really how much he owns. That on top of the money from illegal activities. That's a ton of money. And with money comes power. He may not be as active but he's on top.

how many bosses/captains have to flip before new yorks starts to look different in your eyes?

Agree Nicky.

20 a head!?!? Hit me up ill get ya 12!

How many times do we have to tell you you're a moron before you shut up with this "New York rat" crap you spew all the time?

If the answer to the original question is a Chicago guy, and it very well could be, it would probably be whoever took over as acting boss after Sarno was indicted. In other words, whoever is running the Outfit at the moment. And, if recent history is any guide, it very well may not be DiFronzo but somebody else in the Cicero/Melrose Park crew like Marcello and Sarno were.

Marco D'Amico?

i ain't making this shit up outta thin air

they're telling on each other on the east coast and that ain't because they're so strong

When you look at the size of the NY families (compared to the relatively low percentage of members and associates that flip), as well as their activity, you don't make the mistake of viewing things solely through the lens of rats like you want to. There's a lot of rats in NY, more than anywhere else, because that's where most of the members and activity is. There's not exactly a lot of rats in Tampa, St. Louis, or San Jose at the moment, if you get what I'm saying.

You're wasting your time Ivy you should just let him tire himself out.

The Outfit is really split into two factions right now with Elmwood Park, Grand Ave and Lake County/Western Suburbs essentially being one family under DiFronzo/DeLaurentis/D'Amico.

Then there is Cicero/26th Street/Southern Suburbs being one family run by an administration of Caruso/Inendino/Cautadella.

I would assume that Cicero still kicks up towards DiFronzo but there is no longer one "acting" boss overseeing the whole show IMO. The two sides have drifted...different types of guys, different types of rackets.

every made guy doesn't get indicted

what's the percentage of made guys that flip after getting indicted

it's gotta be atleast 30 percent and that ain't good at all

you should really spend a whole 5 minutes doing research before just throwing out these silly statements. lets just look at one recent example: mafia takedown day. there were well over 100 people arrested, granted not all made, but thats besides the point. going by your logic, well over 30 of them have probably ratted, but like almost everything you post here, its just not true. try harder next time.

i can agree that 30% is probably a little high

but 20% ain't

Still too high. It's probably closer to 5%.

Large numbers certainly don't equal power. I'd take 1 smart guy like John Matassa or Frank Caruso who has never served prison time over 35 guidos who have. I'm not sure how many NY-based CAPO's you can name who have never served time or are not well-known. I can name 5 major players in Chicago however.

New York is not on the verge of legalizing video gaming anytime soon like Illinois...and I'd highly doubt any family has the stranglehold on the video gaming industry that the Outfit has, nor the amount of legitimate businesses. Guys like Joe "Kong" Calato and Casey S are multimillionaires already with their companies...when it becomes legalized, they skyrocket.

The families that remain low-key and work legitimate businesses in addition to rackets and maintain very tight political ties are the ones with the power.

Like seriously what is to be gained from ur home town mafia being the strongest. Does that make you proud to be from chicago? Why root for these guys? They wouldnt root for you. Hell they probably dont even root for each other. Whats the fucking point? Why are you proud that chicago has a powerful crime family? I hate seeing fuckin nerds on here goin around calling other nerds fanboys bc everyone is on here bc of some kind of interest in this thing. Im not worried about any kinda morality about how one makes a living, you do what u gotta do. But ur not gonna see me go "Boy i wish the decavalcantes will regroup in the shadows and i will defend their credibility to my grave!"... Its fuckin stupid and childish. Grow up. Shits getting old

lol you make a good point.

But also remember that many posters on here were not old enough to remember when the the mob was the strongest. I can understand why they want to see them be powerful cause they missed out on the time when people would turn on the news and a few times a year they would open their cities paper and see "Gangland Slaying. Looks like its tied to local organized crime."

Its just human nature for fans of mob films and the Sopranos to have a big interest in the mob. Also yeah they will be rooting for them to continue to be strong cause that allows for what they are interested in to continue.

This Skinny guy is right....BUT my favorite actor is Jack Nicholson and my favorite NBA player is Lebron James and i root for em but according to this statement they dont root for me ...so do i need a point for this?!?!?

Nicky, Who are these guys then? How would you know they are flying under the radar? Can you name them?

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Vito Rizzuto yet.The man has been involved in some very relevant and historical hits,runs an entire country,and is treated with a great deal of respect by most of the administrations in the 5 families.

Out of the mouths of babes. Kid's 19 years old and he made more sense with this post than almost anyone in the entire thread.

The truth is, none of these families are what they used to be. None of them. They'll always be around to a degree because crime will always be here, but it will never be the same. And sure, guys like the DiFronzos are insanely rich. But guys like Matty and Fat Tony left generational wealth behind, too. But their kids and grandkids are completely removed from the scene so you don't read about it.

But it doesn't matter, anyway. Whether it's New York, Chicago, Boston or fucking New Orleans. My point is, there aren't any 20 year old kids coming up today who are going to make money like that ever again. The DiFronzos and Salernos and Accardos and Gambinos of this world got to keep their money and leave it behind. But if anyone thinks that guys are going to build that kind of money and legacy from the ground up today, they're out of their collective fucking minds. The Government won't allow it, and that's that.


Get over it, kid. You were born too late. You'll never know what life was like around these guys when they were strong. Movies like "Goodfellas" and (especially) "A Bronx Tale" were very accurate. I was born in '59, grew up in the Belmont section of the Bronx at the same time as Chazz Palminteri did, and he did a great job of recreating that area and that era. But it's never going to be like that again.

"guys like Matty and Fat Tony left generational wealth behind"

Reminds me of the Chris Rock bit: "Shaquille O'Neal is rich. The white man that signs his check is wealthy."

well said

LOL! Rock also had the solution for gun control. Did you ever see his tax the bullets live act? Something like tax every bullet $1,000 so that people don't waste them and if somebody gets shot they must of deserved it because someone spent at least 1k to shoot them. lol

Pretty funny when he did that one on one of his live shows on HBO i think it was.

Joe Belli, Joe DeVita, Anthony Boggia, Bobby Abbinanti all fly well under the radar though they hold important titles. A few of these guys were named in the Stier Anderson report from 2004, but they continue to remain well-off the general public/media radar.

I don't really get a sense of "pride" from Chicago being number one. I'm not really sure why you all believe its about your "hometown" unless you are one of the many following it from afar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuX-nFmL0II

"You got pecks, well i got Tek's!" lol!

Yep thats the show i was talking about , thanks Jimmy.

Thank you for your input, but first things first. I am not a kid. I was born in October of 1953.

Secondly you seem to know alot KID. Keep up the good input here.

No prob GC.I needed a good laugh today anyways.

Originally Posted By: Ghost_Town_Jimmy

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Vito Rizzuto yet.The man has been involved in some very relevant and historical hits,runs an entire country,and is treated with a great deal of respect by most of the administrations in the 5 families.

Exactly. If there's a city closer to 1970s-NYC, that's Montreal.

tread lightly

Could of fooled me, and I was born in 1991

In the sense of the Mob running wild yes, but no city is ever Gunna be as wonderful or as diverse a place as NYC in the 1900's

Don't even start the back n forth shittalking nonsense in this thread. Stick to the subject

what you said might hold some weight if you didn't single out chicago

the vast majority of the posters on here that are babbling about how tough their cities mafia famililes are are the east coast posters. chicago posters are just telling info that the east coast posters don't want to hear.

the east coast posters are the ones talking about how other mobs are weak

+1

Time to get off your high horse here bud...the Outfit is probably the last reason I'm proud to be from Chicago. Hell the Blackhawks and Michael Jordan are better reasons to love this city. Or the fact that our pizza is better and we aren't a bunch of fashionable assholes like you east coasters.

If it were up to me, I'd like the Outfit to dissapear forever. I got family in construction I got family down at McCormick Place...they suffer because of the Outfit and the corruption they spawned. It's an embarrassment to have back to back governors of different parties go to jail. Sure I prefer them Italian criminals the ghetto gangbangers we see nowadays, but just because one advocates one family is stronger does not mean they are a "fan." So please do yourself a favor and stop calling me one.

+1

Wow, this is starting to turn into some East Coast - West Coast rapper fued.

I'm no expert on the Outfit but i can understand why some people find it hard to believe that their power has dropped so dramatically. You grow up hearing about the Outfit with Giancana, Accardo, Rica, Aiuppa and all the others going back to Capone and the power and influence some of these guys had, it's just hard to believe they're down to the level some guys say they are. Honestly i think the truth is somewhere in the middle but no doubt over the years the Outfit's power (like all the other mob families) has taken a real hit.

I really have no idea on the current status of the Outfit but i enjoy reading the debates you guys have on it, just try not to make it so personal.

It's getting ridiculous. I wish the mods would just close this fucking thread.

Hate to break it to you TonyBoy but if you were born in 1991 you are a kid in many peoples books.

Jesus you probably still have all your hair you son of a

And if we are gonna break down to a rapper-esque feud between East and West, let me be the first to rep the North, TDot and Mtl 4 lyfe bitchez. Brap Brap.

taylor street was technically a ghetto

you ain't gotta see any gangmembers unless you're unfortunate enough to live on the southside or the westside of chicago. they're just as easy as to avoid as cubfans are

Basically its bc the majority of u are fuckin idiots. It doesnt impress me you can name drop a bunch of guys in chicago. Im only singling out chicago bc we get guys on here all the time saying they know the inside scoop on all this shit. 99% of them are full of shit, and if ur one of the ones who actually know what ur talking about, good for u, still doesnt explain the cheerleader attitude u have for these guys saying they are the most low key, the most influential, powerful, rich..... Ill argue the point about any other family, gang, crew...whatever. Everythings depreciating, theres no money in it any more. You know who have the empires, the vast amounts of wealth? The bookies and the construction companies. Not the bosses. Im not on any high horse. Ive said it already, whatever u gotta do to pay the rent, its your business. Im not even saying chicago isnt a powerful family, im sure it is to an extent, im saying the 2 of u need to grow up. There are more important things than advocating the chicago outfit.

And nicky shut the fuck up

What the fuck did I do to you asshole?

And it's on......

LMAO this thread is funny.

Unfucking believable.