John Gotti Jr. running things in Tampa?

I read that he is running the show down there and reviving the family since his release from prison in 2005.

Thoughts?

cmon...that sounds ridiculous

Not according to Wikipedia.

Don't buy anything you read on wikipedia pal. A lot the shit posted there is wrong.

They tried to move his last trial down there from NY. The Gambinos still have a lot of activity there and some of the charges in Junior's case involved the Florida rackets. But Junior wasn't ever specifically running things there.

Snickers......wikipedia????


Junior is out of the mob, one of only a few mobsters could do that, with his last name and who his uncles are and dad was, It's a lot easier for him to leave the life than just about any other wiseguy. He did kind of take over Tampa for a bit during that time, but no mas.

Who IS running things for the Gambinos in Florida with Vinny Atuso and Alphonce Truccio both away?

well Nicky Skins went down there to meet with Merlino, do we know if he met anyone else down there? maybe a clue...also Corrozzo was down there a bit...who is running his crew?

Snickers, i didnt mean to be rude but if youre running a crew in florida you typically dont go on 60 Minutes and do interviews with Playboy and such...he is done and i dont see him ever coming back...he can live the rest of his life just off his real estate and most likely has a ton of cash hidden.

You mean he never lived up to his dream of writing children's books like he told the court he wanted to do after he was released ??

Since florida is considered open territory for the 5 families, do the crews from each family operate in the same city or are they spread out in different cities in florida?

Really hope Junior straightens his life out completely, now that he's been out of the mob for over a year. Hope he becomes closer to God (not purposely trying to disrespect the liberals or atheists here) now that he's out of the life and has a chance to commit to an honest relationship with the Lord and live mostly without venial sins and especially mortal sins. After seeing him in all those interviews he sounds like a very smart guy. He didn't really have too many great choices with the dad he had and many other family members he had in his life. He made a lot of really awful choices in his life that were very evil, one was when he was at the bar and stabbed a guy at 19 or 20 and then made fun of him, which was probably the worst if not one of the worst things he did.

Ivy League once quoted me by saying, "There's no good mobsters." I kind of thought for the longest that there were a few like Joe B and Angelo Bruno, but even they weren't even though they were more conservative and less violent than the rest. Ivy is right!

I don't know, but I always assumed ALL of them that had the resources operated in South Florida which most consider from West Palm Beach to Miami. A lot of mob activity in the old days was north of Miami like Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale. Are any of them active in Tampa?

Tampa as far as the homegrown family is dead, but there are about 8-9 made guys but very old. Half are active I'd say, but not an organized crime family of LCN anymore or a criminal group recognized by the FBI or even their local law enforcement.

Jimmy Dellaratta was acting captain of the crew but was indicted recently.

So, regardless of the idea of him running things in Tampa (unlikely ), is he active or has he stuck to his promise of leaving the life?

all five families have extensive operations going on in the south florida/miami area, but the gambino's seem to be the only one's with anything going on in and around tampa, and i've heard that they work with the remnants of the trafficante's down there. as far as jr gotti is concerned, i believe that its mutually beneficial for him not to be involved in the life anymore, as at this point he wouldn't do much else besides bring too much attention to things.

Yeah, he isn't doing anything with cosa nostra. He would bring way too much attention to anything he touched, and other guys know that too.

no way he is active

The mob wants nothing to do with him, he could never be involved again..he is out with his life and plenty of cash. he got and pass..it does not mean he will stay clean..just not mob involved. he ratted..

I agree with the majority of you I don't think Junior is active anymore, but I've always wondered if his still has any clout or what the family would classify him as after all there's still a few Gotti's left in the borgata

Is Baby Huey still living in Oyster Bay? In the same huge house he's been claiming that he can't afford and said he was trying to sell for like the last 6 or so years? Has he declared bankruptcy?

I have no idea if he's active or not but he has money coming in from somewhere and it's not from Mark Fiore and that bullshit movie on his father that will never get made.

Has any recent rat ever said Junior was officially shelved by the Gambino's?

They should of hit that half a rat after he sat down with the feds in that proffer session back in 05. Maybe he didn't go through with ratting but he sure as shit was thinking about it.

the only gotti that has anything to say is gene, that is only when he comes home..the gambinos are counting the days until he gets out, and not to welcome him home.. he age will not matter..and that is funny ,.baby huey..you must know him giancarlo...

Nah, not me. I read thats what Nick Corozzo used to call him and thought it was pretty funny.

Anybody else remember reading that the genovese family wouldn't even sit down with gotti jr. ?? He wasn't respected..i doubt he's running anything !!!

dilorenzo, do you mean before or after his cases?

before !!

The article said he lost all sitdowns,and the genovese family refused to even sit down with him !!

Wikipedia says that about the genovese family and gotti jr and cites Selwyn Raab.

not true, that not how it works,

domino, barney and if i remember from testimony i read ida sat with him .about big bobby.

You would be surprised at the number of guys (from all 5 families) who have had proffer sessions with the govt and ultimately dont wind up cooperating.

so true dapper

Actually it wouldn't surprise me at all these days. But if they gave up info then they're rats too.

Capeci said Junior gave up Angelo Ruggiero and 2 other guys for killing a witness. Junior crossed the line and just because Ruggerio was dead doesn't matter to me, Gotti gave him up and god knows who else. In my book he's a rat and i bet his father would of agreed with me on that. His old man must of been rolling over in his grave.

This is what Capeci reported

"Gotti has denied any involvement in that killing or any other murders. But in a controversial "proffer session" he had with the feds in 2005, Junior said now-deceased Gambino solder Angelo Ruggiero paid a $25,000 bribe to a Queens detective, and that Ruggiero and two others killed the witness and made it look like a suicide."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-capeci/the-junior-gotti-chronicl_b_224097.html

"Gotti told the feds in a 2005 proffer session that, despite his innocence in the Silva stabbing, the Gambino family had bribed a corrupt detective to quash a probe of his involvement in it. He also claimed that, with the detective's help, the crime family had murdered a witness in the case and made it look like a suicide."

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/feds-try-new-angle-to-get-junior-gotti/63969/

"Gotti later sought a different type of revenge against the trio in January 2005, when he secretly met with the feds in a failed bid to get out from under racketeering charges, breaking the Mafia oath of "omerta."During the proffer session, Gotti detailed crimes that Marino, Gammarano and Watts committed prior to 1999,"

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/item_apTPpPpp09cz4McH1iIuOI

"Gotti's bid to become a turncoat fell through after he refused to give the feds the full story - he agreed only to provide incriminating information about certain cohorts but insisted on protecting others, sources said."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/item_IkTuZ7c1JblKLuLLd60TGP

It is quite common for guys to blame other guys who are dead or already serving a prison sentence for a crime that they dont want to be charged with. There are a bunch of examples which can be seen online once an appeal has been shot down and posted on the internet. Sometimes this is the basis for many appeals in LCN. Lawyers might argue something like "my client didnt do this cause a cooperator said that this other guy who is dead or in jail or a victim of a botched hit and then cooperated did this".

Are you saying this doesn't make him a rat?

Shit i forgot all about him giving info on Marino, Gammarano and Watts. They should of hit him just for that. I wonder what he gave them on those guys?

Sure he tried to say as little as possible, i really don't doubt that but he crossed the line. Just my opinion on it. I really don't see how he could ever be trusted by active guys, but again it's just my opinion.

I guess everyone can make their own judgement on him, but to me he went too far.

nicky c also, he really got a pass

this is all bullshit he never had anything in tampa. when hes in florida hes not even in tampa! let alone setting up shop down there

he did have valet , dance clubs, that were with them in tampa , through alit. now if he goes there it is for pleasure..nobody goes near him from any mob

They should hit him? They should do this they should do that! Ur going by tom hagen now? Off the top of my head, two names come to mind that did a profer session, Joe Watts and Mike Coppola. You know what? Your the one that thinks killing these guys is such a good idea, you fuckin do it. Im sure youll get staightened out. No doubt. He crossed a line? He tried to protect little Angie and ratted on a dead guy. Id like to see you stand up thru 4 trials. Paying a mil a trial.

And for everybody, hes not in the life. And He doesnt live in tampa. They have a condo in palm beach. But he doesnt even live there. He stays in ob in his house, that yes he still owns. His sister isnt even broke, even if she acts like it. The agnello kids all dropped the agnello from their nmes, and run around sayin theyre gottis. They moved to hb so they kid fit in with the rest of the bergen crews kids. Who, btw, still fucking love junior. Ruggieros included. His family helped a lot of ppl out in ozp/hb... U wont hear about that shit though. All the press he gets is negative, but a lot of guys love the gottis. Hes out of the life for good. Doesnt need it, hes got tons of real estate.

Wow, a little touchy there Skinny. Is he a friend of yours or something?

He gave up info, call it whatever you want. Fuck him.

Take a wild guess

i said the same thing you jut expanded on it...this is 100% accurate

So you 2 guys are saying even if Junior gave the feds info on Nicky Corozzo, Danny Marino, Johnny G, Joe Watts and on the murder of a witness he's no rat?

Ok, whatever you guys say. I guess we have different opinions on what a rat is and how far you have to go to be called one.

He didnt give em enough to charge any of those guys. If he did, hed be dead. U dont fuck with the Corozzos. If he did something worthy of getting killed he wouldnt be living ten minutes from Nicky Corozzos house. Imo hes as much as a rat as joe watts.

Fair enough Skinny.

your right watts proffered also,,they are both rats.. skinny so many have talked it does matter if someone gets pinched from them..example...if osama bin laden was putting a device on a bridge and you being around someone or a wise guy called the cops you are a rat...as crazy as that seems 100% rat .

GC wasn't referring to the rat part. No idea on that. I was referring to outta the life and he can live off his real estate. Whether he was a rat or not I have no opinion

Respect

Sorry about that Cheech, i misunderstood what you posted.

I'm a big enough man to admit when i'm wrong and you know what, skinny might of been right, at least on the part about Jr ratting on Marino and Johnny G. A later Capeci article says Junior didn't give info on Johnny G after all. And the only thing he said about Marino was that he "washed his hands" of the matter involving his nephew, James Hydell.

So as far as those 2 guys go Junior might not of dimed them out after all.

Here's the later Capeci article. You guys can decide for yourselves.

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/gotti-says-detective-helped-in-killing-of/42339

^^^from the article above

"During Junior's discussion with the feds — it was attended by his lawyers at the time, Jeffrey Lichtman and Marc Fernich, Assistant U.S Attorney Jennifer Rodgers, former prosecutors Joon Kim and Robert Buehler, and FBI agent Cindy Peil — Gotti denied any role in the slaying, sources said.

Even though the proffer session occurred before his first trial for the 1992 shooting of Curtis Sliwa, Gotti neither volunteered nor was asked any questions about the Sliwa assault or any other charges in the racketeering indictment, sources said.

One subject that did come up, sources said, was the 1986 shooting of Luchese underboss Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso, who was wounded by a team of Gambino associates who had been sent on their mission by Ruggiero. That assault was a focal point of the racketeering and murder trial of Mafia Cops Louis Eppolito and Stephen Caracappa that was then set to start the following month.

It was while discussing that subject, the sources said, that Gotti made his only mention of Gambino capo Daniel Marino, telling the feds that Marino had "washed his hands" of the situation when he learned that his nephew, James Hydell, had taken part in the shooting, and that Casso was likely to kill Hydell in retaliation.

Contrary to what Gang Land reported previously, Gotti did not link Marino or soldier John "Johnny G" Gammarano to "numerous crimes" during his session with the feds. In fact, according to several authoritative law enforcement sources familiar with Junior's meeting with the feds, he never mentioned Gammarano's name during the session. Other sources, both in and out of law enforcement, disagree about whether Junior had agreed to implicate Johnny G in criminal activity at the session, but the fact is he never did, all the sources agree.

After the Casso shooting, Ruggiero was placed "on the shelf" for ordering the attack, Junior told the feds. Despite orders from his father to shun Ruggiero, Junior continued to speak to him, and was told by Ruggiero that he and mob associates Wilford "Willie Boy" Johnson and Joseph Watts had killed the witness to the Silva slaying, the sources said.

A few years later, according to the sources, when Junior and a few of his buddies were arrested for assaulting a few patrons at a Long Island nightclub — the charges were later dropped when the victims forgot who had hit them — the Gambinos passed more cash to Mr. Daly to keep Junior's name from resurfacing in the Silver Fox case, Junior told the feds."

i'm not sure if he gave them any outdated info or not, but the world of OC is changing, and it wouldn't surprise me that if in the future, certain guys might be given the ok to spill the beans on guys that have passed in an attempt to save themselves or others. that scenario is a bit more extreme, but even the genovese(as well as others) have been advised in certain cases to plead out, rather than having them risk much longer sentences at trial. the point is, even that would have been unheard of a few decades ago. it seems like the most successful organizations, whether criminal or not, always change with the times.

Fair statement. Junior's out, but he's not without his friends.

Wouldn't they have to give up something solid and proveable in their proffer sessions so the government knows they're being straight-up with them? If so,basically everyone who's ever had one is a rat regardless of the fact that they backed out.

Well Jimmy the way i look at it is that any criminal who gives info on crimes committed by others to the feds is a rat. Personally i don't care if it's in a proffer session or if it's totally off the books. You give info on crimes committed by other people to the feds then i would consider that person to be a rat. To tell you the truth i'm kind of surprised others don't see it that way but thats cool, i guess people just see things differently.

And when i say people that give info to the feds i mean other criminals, not the general public who give info to law enforcement on a crime.

As far as Gotti goes he might not of given up as much info that i thought he did. If you read my last post you'll see that after i found info saying Gotti didn't rat on Johnny G and Danny Marino i posted it and said i was wrong. Hell i'm not trying to bullshit anyone, if i find out i was wrong i'll say it.

At this point i'm not sure what Gotti gave them or didn't give them. Ok we know Angelo was dead when Junior implicated him but what about the 2 other guys who Gotti said did the hit with Angelo? Did he give up their names? I really don't know, but if he did then what would you call it?

And when you ask if everyone who goes to a proffer session is a rat? Well in my opinion if the person goes to one of those Queen for a day proffer sessions and gives info on crimes committed by others then yes to me that person is a rat. If you only implicate yourself then no, that person didn't cross the line and didn't rat on anyone but themselves.

I totally respect Skinny's and everyone elses opinion on it, but i guess i just see it differently.

This Rat line totally flips the topic but raises, IMO, a far more substantial inquiry. A guy breaks Omerta: is he a Rat or is that an just an internal thing, guy is clipped or put on the shelf.

Look. The salient factor of Omerta is not revealing the existence of the brotherhood. When a guy allocutes, or engages in a proffer session, does he in fact admit to being a friend? I dunno. Do you?

Joe Bonnano and all those other wash-outs on social media reliving their glory days, while not technically giving anybody up, certainly cross a line. Does that make them rats? I think that's best settled by how they're viewed by those concerned: fellow mobsters.

Just how is Jr. viewed by former friends?

I really have no idea on how other mobsters feel about Junior. I'm sure Junior has plenty of supporters who view what he did differently then i do.

But to me it's pretty simple, you give up info on crimes committed by others to the cops or feds then in my book that is a rat move. It's not just mob guys i'm talking about, but pretty much any criminal who gives the law info on crimes committed by other people.

It's just how i see it, i'm really not trying to start any arguments with anyone over it, just saying the way i look at it. But if someone see's it differently then thats fine with me, we just see it differently.

And don't even get me started on Joe Bonanno. WTF was he thinking when he wrote that book of his? Not too cool in my opinion but again i know other people think differently about it.

What's up my friend hows the weather?

The bergen crew guys love him. That includes the ruggieros, their sons are like brothers. Same with Tommy Stifler.

tommy sneakers hated him ,so did charles..

I agree with everything you're saying.Only thing I'd like to add is in my personal opinion,if they've gone as far as even reaching out to the gov't they're no good, and should never be trusted again.Once you've put your toe in the water it's that much easier to dive right in...

i think alot of these guys are dry snitching on each other. With any large group or gang of criminals its to be expected.

I agree with you on that, i have no doubt there are plenty of guys on the street who have given up info to some degree.

I'm curious how Gotti's proffer session became public knowledge. They're supposed to be confidential and you would think that the next guy thinking about going to one might have second thoughts about it because of fear it would become known. But i guess the feds couldn't resist making Gotti Jr look bad. Releasing that information on his session could of potentially gotten him seriously hurt or worse. The Feds sure can play dirty when they want.

Diane Giacalone should be the posterchild for your last sentence.What a treacherous bitch...

SCUMBAGS is more like it. And I'm no mob apologist. I'm around these assholes all my life and I say as much when I feel the need. But what's right is right. The Feds don't care who they put in harm's way as long as it doesn't affect their bottom line.

Craig DePalma had a proffer session in Atlanta, changed his mind, and they fucking outed him anyway. Being labeled a rat led him to hang himself. And the poor kid lingered in a coma for seven and a half years before he died. His blood is on their hands .

Jimmy i was going to mention her. Poor Willie Boy!

You can't blame the FBI for that one. Bruce Mouw BEGGED her to back off that case. Not only did she get Willie Boy killed, but if she wasn't so gung ho, and she bided her time like the FBI wanted, they would have gotten a Gotti conviction at least a year earlier than they did. That circus of hers, from Willie Boy getting killed to her giving her panties to a junkie to jerk off with, set Mouw's investigation back two years.

But it's all about territorial disputes and political aspirations with prosecutors. They're all the same. She figured if she was the lead prosecutor that nailed him, she'd run for judge of God knows what else some day.

Pizzaboy i forgot all about Craig DePalma. When he was in the nursing home i read his father used to meet other hoodlums in his room. Some of these guys are just unreal. lol

Oh, yeah. It wasn't enough that Greg dragged Craig into a life he didn't want and wasn't cut out for. The meetings at the nursing home were just the icing on the cake.

Wherever Greg is, I hope it's in hell. That's just fucked up

Who is Domino?

Michael Generoso. Hes gotta be 110 if hes alive.

in his 80's..and you are correct generosa

If I'm not mistaken, Generoso is at least 90, if not 91 now. Other guys in their 90's now include Benny Mangano (he's 90 or 91), Stevie Grammauta (he's 94 or 95), Sonny Franzese (he's 94 or 95), and Charlie Panarella (90).

BOP has Generoso at 95. He's only 1 year behind Sonny Franzese who the BOP has at 96

http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderSer...p;x=94&y=13

didn't think he was 90 plus..thanks

Giancarlo, thanks for the info, but want to add that saying Junior should have gotten whacked kind of sounds strange. Nobody should get whacked.

Nobody should get Whacked??? Whataya mean nobody should get whacked???

What are you batshit crazy? El loco?

Watching these guys murder each other is over 75% of the reason i even follow this shit. Personally i like it when the bodies start dropping...as long as it isn't my body ending up chopped up and dumped in the weeds.

IMHO there is nothing better then a good mob war or some good inter-family house cleaning.

Now go say 10 Hail Mary's and ask God to forgive you for talking stupid.

Just kidding with you.

...while we passing the hat, settle something for me. This dude told me in WB's extended pow wow with the feds he gave up everything from he and Sr.'s first hit up in Harlem, to the disappearance of Mr. Neil's man (forget his name, in Fla) to Quack-Quack's princess phone. Is that on the up and up?

He apparently gave up everyone and everything he could remember,he just didn't want to testify in court.

No it's not on the up and up and why is he is no longer breathing


And to GC. I like your posts but I don't wish death on anyone except child abusers.

Your probably a real good person Cheech, thats the way it should be.

But what can i say, as long as it's one murderer killing another one it doesn't bother me at all. Most of these mob guys would kill you or me in a heartbeat if it was in their interest to do so. So let them kill each other, society sure isn't going to miss any of these lowlifes, and lets be honest here, that is what most of these guys are.

I know that, man.

It's just that there was a domino effect once Willy opened the door. IOW, had he not opened up, you would never had had the legal cover for all the wiretaps which eventually led to the cracking of the brotherhood. From Fat Angie, to Pig Paul, Gotti Sr, Tony Ducks, etc.

All the inside dope was started when Willy got pissed and began yapping. Remember, I'm just asking...

Some of yall would argue they would've got them eventually, but thats not the question...

i respect your outlook, all the best to you

LOL! I hear you man. You have a point they kill other people anyways, so they get what they have coming to them, for the most part. But for somebody like Junior I think It's a different case. I think he's sincere about being out and I really don't think he ratted.

i just seen these 2 articles and remembered this blog about junior running tampa and thought they might help..


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2005-02-04/news/0502040193_1_trucchio-gambino-young-guns

http://www.thechicagosyndicate.com/2008/08/entire-john-junior-gotti-tampa-gambino.html