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Who was best mafia captain and crew.

Posted By: abc123

Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 02/28/13 09:12 PM

Who was best mafia captain and crew.

Firepower, manpower, financial power.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 03:22 AM

The crew known as the "116th Crew," "Uptown Crew," or "East Harlem/Bronx Crew," once run by Fat Tony Salerno, and now by Barney Bellomo, is probably the single most powerful crew in the entire Mafia.
Posted By: azguy

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 03:47 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The crew known as the "116th Crew," "Uptown Crew," or "East Harlem/Bronx Crew," once run by Fat Tony Salerno, and now by Barney Bellomo, is probably the single most powerful crew in the entire Mafia.


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Posted By: red

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 04:20 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The crew known as the "116th Crew," "Uptown Crew," or "East Harlem/Bronx Crew," once run by Fat Tony Salerno, and now by Barney Bellomo, is probably the single most powerful crew in the entire Mafia.
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The crew known as the "116th Crew," "Uptown Crew," or "East Harlem/Bronx Crew," once run by Fat Tony Salerno, and now by Barney Bellomo, is probably the single most powerful crew in the entire Mafia.


BINGO
Posted By: Vigil

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 06:52 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The crew known as the "116th Crew," "Uptown Crew," or "East Harlem/Bronx Crew," once run by Fat Tony Salerno, and now by Barney Bellomo, is probably the single most powerful crew in the entire Mafia.


Why do you say that Ivy?
Posted By: Ted

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 08:21 AM

Ok, who's #2?
Posted By: Skinny

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 02:16 PM

Probly cherry hill guys
Posted By: TonyBoy117

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 05:01 PM

Were the Cherry Hill guys an official crew with an official captain,soldiers,and associates cuz I always viewed them as more of a familial drug ring led by the Gambino brothers
Posted By: SilentPartnerz

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 05:08 PM

One of the North Jersey Genovese crews:

Jerry and Eugene Catena.

or

The Boot
Posted By: southend

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 05:29 PM

116th
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: TonyBoy117
Were the Cherry Hill guys an official crew with an official captain,soldiers,and associates cuz I always viewed them as more of a familial drug ring led by the Gambino brothers


They were, and perhaps still are, led by John Gambino who was made a captain in 1986. They are called "Cherry Hill Gambinos" (well...by the media and mob watchers) because the brothers lived in Cherry Hill, NJ. However, their headquarters was actually in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn. And yes, the Cherry Hills was (still is?) an official Gambino crew.
Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 06:55 PM

I'd be obliged if someone can provide more information on the 116 crew - size, capo, soldiers, and if you know what rackets they're in. Thanks!
Posted By: TonyBoy117

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 08:02 PM

We justt had a thread on them specificallly about a week ago check the archives
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 11:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Vigil
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The crew known as the "116th Crew," "Uptown Crew," or "East Harlem/Bronx Crew," once run by Fat Tony Salerno, and now by Barney Bellomo, is probably the single most powerful crew in the entire Mafia.


Why do you say that Ivy?


Well, it's pretty much going to be whatever crew is the strongest in the most powerful family. That would make it a Genovese crew. And this particular Genovese crew seems to be the one that runs things from the top much of the time. In the last 30 years, several of the family's acting bosses (Salerno, Bellomo, Serpico, Muscarella, Nigro) have come from that crew. Another thing to consider is that the crew is a powerhouse in the union rackets. Mainly construction but it's also involved in garbage, trucking, and the waterfront.
Posted By: Giancarlo

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 11:12 PM

Would you say the 116th Crew when Fat Tony was around had more juice then Gigante's crew in the Village?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 11:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times
I'd be obliged if someone can provide more information on the 116 crew - size, capo, soldiers, and if you know what rackets they're in. Thanks!


These are the current members I'm aware of. Most, if not all of them, have been or are involved in the construction trades or other industries. D'Elio owns several companies involved in carpentry. Falcetti was the vice-president of METRO on the waterfront. Ragusa is also involved in the drywall business, in addition to holding a no-show job on the watefront. Dellacava owns Cava Construction. DiNapoli has been in the construction trades forever. Pontoriero owns Worth Construction. And Auletta has S&A Construction.

1. Liborio "Barney" Bellomo
2. Ernest "Ernie" Muscarella
3. Athur "Artie" Nigro (IP)
4. Robert "Bucky" Carbone
5. James "Jamie" D'Elio
6. Pasquale "Scop" DeLuca
7. Pasquale "Patty" Falcetti
8. Michael "Mikey" Ragusa
9. Carmine Dellacava
10. Louis DiNapoli
11. Joseph "Joe P" Pontoriero
12. Nicholas Auletta


These are some associates of the crew. Some may be made now. Bellomo has Sigma Builders. Anthony Fiorino was involved in the Javits Center back in the day.


Liborio "Barney" T Bellomo (Barney's cousin)
Joseph D'Elio
Anthony Fiorino
Gerald "Jerry" Fiorino
James "Jimmy" Muscarella


What's interesting is, if you look at the cases involving this crew over the past decade or so, it's largely a sophisticated, "white collar" crew. The 2006 case, where Bellomo was the lead defendant, can be confusing to some because it had various gambling, drug, and other offenses. But if you look closely, those involved defendants from other crews. Most of the stuff the Bellomo crew has been involved in have been labor racketeering and extortion in legitimate industries.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 11:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Giancarlo
Would you say the 116th Crew when Fat Tony was around had more juice then Gigante's crew in the Village?


Gigante's crew were no lightweights. Cafaro testified that it was very powerful, especially because of it's large size. It controlled much of the gambling in lower Manhattan and was also involved in some of the union rackets. But I'd still give the edge to the uptown crew. Of course, when he was boss Chin still had the final say anyway.
Posted By: jace

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 11:34 PM

Wouldn't Gigante's crew be dismantled by now? Same for Salerno's. Both had insiders who cooperated agaisnt them, both had leaders imprisoned. With Gigante and Salerno both dying in prison, and rest of their gang under scrutiny, it would be difficult for them to function as well as other crews.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 11:41 PM

Originally Posted By: jace
Wouldn't Gigante's crew be dismantled by now? Same for Salerno's. Both had insiders who cooperated agaisnt them, both had leaders imprisoned. With Gigante and Salerno both dying in prison, and rest of their gang under scrutiny, it would be difficult for them to function as well as other crews.


Not at all. If that were the case, there would probably be no crews left. Crews, especially if they are well established and strong, don't crumble simply because their captain dies or there's a rat among them.

Dominick Cirillo is the official captain of the crew Gigante used to run. If I'm not mistaken, I also believe Fritzy Giovanelli's crew was a break-off from that one, though I don't know if he has captain rank anymore.

And, of course, Bellomo is still the official captain of the crew Fat Tony used to run. I'm not sure but I've wondered if Danny Leo's crew broke off from that one.
Posted By: jace

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/01/13 11:49 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: jace
Wouldn't Gigante's crew be dismantled by now? Same for Salerno's. Both had insiders who cooperated agaisnt them, both had leaders imprisoned. With Gigante and Salerno both dying in prison, and rest of their gang under scrutiny, it would be difficult for them to function as well as other crews.


Not at all. If that were the case, there would probably be no crews left. Crews, especially if they are well established and strong, don't crumble simply because their captain dies or there's a rat among them.

Dominick Cirillo is the official captain of the crew Gigante used to run. If I'm not mistaken, I also believe Fritzy Giovanelli's crew was a break-off from that one, though I don't know if he has captain rank anymore.

And, of course, Bellomo is still the official captain of the crew Fat Tony used to run. I'm not sure but I've wondered if Danny Leo's crew broke off from that one.


Thank you. I thought Cafaro gave up entire crew, and that a fellow close to Gigante also turned and gave up everyone.
Posted By: southend

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 12:09 AM

Originally Posted By: jace
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: jace
Wouldn't Gigante's crew be dismantled by now? Same for Salerno's. Both had insiders who cooperated agaisnt them, both had leaders imprisoned. With Gigante and Salerno both dying in prison, and rest of their gang under scrutiny, it would be difficult for them to function as well as other crews.


Not at all. If that were the case, there would probably be no crews left. Crews, especially if they are well established and strong, don't crumble simply because their captain dies or there's a rat among them.

Dominick Cirillo is the official captain of the crew Gigante used to run. If I'm not mistaken, I also believe Fritzy Giovanelli's crew was a break-off from that one, though I don't know if he has captain rank anymore.

And, of course, Bellomo is still the official captain of the crew Fat Tony used to run. I'm not sure but I've wondered if Danny Leo's crew broke off from that one.


Thank you. I thought Cafaro gave up entire crew, and that a fellow close to Gigante also turned and gave up everyone.


Pete savino
Posted By: jace

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 12:13 AM

Thank you southend, that is his name. I thought Savino had known Gigante's entire crew, and given enough information to bring many of them down. He also wore a wire while with them. A lot of damaging info must have been collected.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 12:20 AM

Savino was the key to breaking up the Windows scam, as well bring the initial charges against Chin after he had avoided them for so long. But he certainly didn't take out the entire crew. Same for Cafaro and Fat Tony's crew. Cafaro testified against Fat Tony and gave up a lot of general information about the mob. But his defection wasn't devastating to the crew.

Each rat, especially high ranking ones like Gravano, D'Arco, or Casso, can be very damaging. Not just in terms of their direct testimony but the over all picture they can give to the feds of the inner workings of the families. Who's who. Who has what business. Who's involved in what union. Etc. But the whole point of the mob is that it's not dependent on a single guy. So a crew, much less a family, doesn't crumble because one guy flips or dies.
Posted By: jace

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 12:28 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Savino was the key to breaking up the Windows scam, as well bring the initial charges against Chin after he had avoided them for so long. But he certainly didn't take out the entire crew. Same for Cafaro and Fat Tony's crew. Cafaro testified against Fat Tony and gave up a lot of general information about the mob. But his defection wasn't devastating to the crew.

Each rat, especially high ranking ones like Gravano, D'Arco, or Casso, can be very damaging. Not just in terms of their direct testimony but the over all picture they can give to the feds of the inner workings of the families. Who's who. Who has what business. Who's involved in what union. Etc. But the whole point of the mob is that it's not dependent on a single guy. So a crew, much less a family, doesn't crumble because one guy flips or dies.




I thought the tapes he gathered would damage entire crew. It also showed that Gigante was not very smart for a boss.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: jace
I thought the tapes he gathered would damage entire crew. It also showed that Gigante was not very smart for a boss.


Gigante is widely considered to be on the smartest and most shrewed Mafia bosses ever. By other mafiosi, by organized crime journalists, as well as by the very law enforcement officials who went after him. He certainly made a fatal mistake in letting Savino get so close but that certainly doesn't sum him up. He became boss precisely when the heat was really coming on strong against the mob in the 1980's. Yet, he lasted on the street for the better part of two decades. And it's his leadership that has been credited as the reason the Genovese family remained strong and largely intact while the other NY families suffered so many defectors and damage by the feds.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 01:03 AM

Well put. That family is a rock. Credit goes to its leaders in the eighties and nineties
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 01:05 AM

The Cutolo crew was pretty influential in its day.
Posted By: TonyBoy117

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 02:49 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague

And, of course, Bellomo is still the official captain of the crew Fat Tony used to run. I'm not sure but I've wondered if Danny Leo's crew broke off from that one.
I've often wondered the same thing ,
Posted By: SiciNy

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
The Cutolo crew was pretty influential in its day.


^100%; Cutolo was as stand up and old school as they come
Posted By: Benny_Eggs

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 04:21 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
[quote=jace]
If I'm not mistaken, I also believe Fritzy Giovanelli's crew was a break-off from that one, though I don't know if he has captain rank anymore.

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I was always curious as to Fritzy's rank/value to the family. I mostly read hes a soilder but I also read he repped the Genovese fam in a commission meeting in the early 2000's, so idk what to think about him.
Posted By: DuesPaid

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 05:18 AM

Originally Posted By: abc123
Who was best mafia captain and crew.

Firepower, manpower, financial power.


Carlo Gambino.

Meeting all criteria and highest level of success in each.

Gambino became a Capo under Mangano / Then becomming underboss to Anastatia = Fire power, manpower, financial power.

No Prision terms served, Died Peacefully in his bed.
Posted By: tiger84

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 09:11 AM

OK boys most pathetic crew.In the 80s it was probably gottis full of rats junkies and brokesters today its probably some colombo crew
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 10:16 AM

Originally Posted By: Benny_Eggs
I was always curious as to Fritzy's rank/value to the family. I mostly read hes a soilder but I also read he repped the Genovese fam in a commission meeting in the early 2000's, so idk what to think about him.


If I remember right, Giovanelli was indicted as a captain in his 2001 Brooklyn case.

By the way, him representing the Genovese family at the Commission meeting in 2000 was a mistake made on the forums. It was actually Larry Dentico who represented the Genovese, as he was on the ruling panel at the time.
Posted By: AndrewDiDonato

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 12:36 PM

I would say Roy DeMeo's Brooklyn Crew. He was a punk, but he had alot of good muscle behind him, in his crew. DeMeo knew how to make money. When I say money, I mean BILLS. Every business opportunity which striked, he went into it. He and his guys also knew how to kill. They were never taught with a gun or anything like that, they were professionals when it came to getting rid of someone.
Posted By: LCN1987

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 01:40 PM

Originally Posted By: AndrewDiDonato
I would say Roy DeMeo's Brooklyn Crew. He was a punk, but he had alot of good muscle behind him, in his crew. DeMeo knew how to make money. When I say money, I mean BILLS. Every business opportunity which striked, he went into it. He and his guys also knew how to kill. They were never taught with a gun or anything like that, they were professionals when it came to getting rid of someone.

Your perfect command of English is a little suspicious for a former Gambino associate...
Posted By: streetbossliborio

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 02:39 PM

the vario crew had weight
Posted By: leftygun62

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: jace
Thank you southend, that is his name. I thought Savino had known Gigante's entire crew, and given enough information to bring many of them down. He also wore a wire while with them. A lot of damaging info must have been collected.

Savino reported to Mangano directly, never got anything damaging on Chin as far as direct conversation recordings.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 05:40 PM

Theres also the old Bergin crew.
Posted By: SiciNy

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 06:14 PM

off topic i kno but anyone kno of any crews in monmouth cty nj?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciro
off topic i kno but anyone kno of any crews in monmouth cty nj?


There's some Genovese activity in that area, specifically Ludwig "Ninny" Bruschi who was busted back in 2003 had some gambling operations there along with other parts of NJ.
Posted By: SiciNy

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/02/13 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: Ciro
off topic i kno but anyone kno of any crews in monmouth cty nj?


There's some Genovese activity in that area, specifically Ludwig "Ninny" Bruschi who was busted back in 2003 had some gambling operations there along with other parts of NJ.


thans Dap, yea i think Ninny lives down in brick.
Posted By: red

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/03/13 02:42 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Vigil
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The crew known as the "116th Crew," "Uptown Crew," or "East Harlem/Bronx Crew," once run by Fat Tony Salerno, and now by Barney Bellomo, is probably the single most powerful crew in the entire Mafia.


Why do you say that Ivy?


Well, it's pretty much going to be whatever crew is the strongest in the most powerful family. That would make it a Genovese crew. And this particular Genovese crew seems to be the one that runs things from the top much of the time. In the last 30 years, several of the family's acting bosses (Salerno, Bellomo, Serpico, Muscarella, Nigro) have come from that crew. Another thing to consider is that the crew is a powerhouse in the union rackets. Mainly construction but it's also involved in garbage, trucking, and the waterfront.


IVY you've got my vote! I'd like to mention the Roy Demeo crew who had the highest number of auto thefts in NYC history.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/03/13 05:05 PM

Wasn't Roy Demeo never captain? He was only soldier
Posted By: LCN1987

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/03/13 06:16 PM

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Mikey Franzese. He gets my vote for the best earner. Crew I'd say any Genovese crew.
Posted By: LCN1987

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/03/13 06:17 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Wasn't Roy Demeo never captain? He was only soldier

I think he was acting Capo at some point, though I may remember it wrong.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/03/13 07:00 PM

Originally Posted By: LCN1987
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Wasn't Roy Demeo never captain? He was only soldier

I think he was acting Capo at some point, though I may remember it wrong.


You are right, LCN. Roy DeMeo did serve as the acting capo of Nino Gaggi´s crew briefly around 1980 when Gaggi was indicted for murder.
Posted By: LCN1987

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/03/13 07:15 PM

Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: LCN1987
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Wasn't Roy Demeo never captain? He was only soldier

I think he was acting Capo at some point, though I may remember it wrong.


You are right, LCN. Roy DeMeo did serve as the acting capo of Nino Gaggi´s crew briefly around 1980 when Gaggi was indicted for murder.

Thanks, I thought i read that in "Murder Machine" smile
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/03/13 08:36 PM

from the early 30s/40s to the late 80s the cicero crew was strong

they still have some clout but it's too many other criminal organizations for the mafia to ever have the power that they once had

plus the government doesn't need them like they used to
Posted By: SilentPartnerz

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/04/13 05:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Ciro
off topic i kno but anyone kno of any crews in monmouth cty nj?


Every county in NJ has LCN presence. Monmouth included. MANY guys have their homes/families in Monmouth County. It is one of the nicest and wealthiest counties in the state. Perfect place to raise a family. Gives meaning to the state motto "Garden State". The town I grew up in is known for horse farms and siver queen, white corn. Wish I was still there.
Posted By: TonyBoy117

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/05/13 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: SilentPartnerz
Originally Posted By: Ciro
off topic i kno but anyone kno of any crews in monmouth cty nj?


Every county in NJ has LCN presence..
the funny thing is thats an accurate statement
Posted By: southend

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/05/13 05:02 PM

There has been some very,very powerful Outfit crews throughout Chicago's mob history...A crew consisting of Tony Accardo,Jackie Cerone,Aiuppa,and guys like Murray Humphreys,Jake Guzik,Gussy Alex,Pat Marcy a made guy in Town Hall.
Posted By: SnickersMagillicutti

Re: Who was best mafia captain and crew. - 03/06/13 08:44 PM

Oh cmon its not even close.

Luciano owned them all.
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