Gotti family inheritance...

Hi all! Lately I have been reading alot of mob books (Five Families, Murder Machine for the 3rd time, For the sins of my father, etc). I recently read Victoria Gotti's book about her father and in it, it states that when her father passed away, he left her and her family barley any money. I find this very odd considering he was the Gambino boss for about 5-6 years and probably alot longer since he named his son and brother boss after his life sentence. I mean he must of raked in millions per year as boss and even alot when his family took over as boss. I heard he spent alot in prison for protection (not sure the truth behind that), but do you think she is just lieng or do you think Gotti was just a very heavy spender? Im not sure what to think. Thanks in advance

from 84 to 87 i worked for a guy who managed the book that handled all of johns bets. if you guys know who i mean dont say. its pretty common knowledge but still. one day i was having a beer with the 'controller' who was 'under' this guy. he let it slip that over the average week he took about three grand from 'one account' alone. the 'controller' was paid a salary plus paid a ten percent commision on all losing action that came through him or the half sheets he managed. do the math.

so appart from sports, there was poker [apparently he was aful.lol], craps, roulette,slots. now when he wasnt getting every last part of his life 'comped' or on 'the arm', he spent like no tomorrow. mercedes, suits,hand painted ties, shoes, jewelry, etc.

then remember all the family he has. he doesnt just keep a lot of money that comes to him. he wasnt a greedy boss, but he spent a lot of what he had.

then you have to look at victoria gotti. how much money is 'enough' for her? is she just saying that for pity? look at her house. look at juniors house. my opinion? its bullshit. the gottis and there kids are set for life.fact.

Yeah every major crime figure when they die there kids cry poor look at Meyer lanksy I thumb it was In five families when he died his daoughter claimed he left like 25 grand lol lansky had millions in the 40s that struck me as crazy lol

Think five families

jr gotti said his dad was always suspicious of the guy putting money away or not spending/trying to save money, what was his priorities, why was he doing that for? cause at the end of the day they are all going to get killed, or die in jail and the feds will seize your assets anyway.

yeah.lol. honestly all of gottis 'attempts at logic' sounded fucking retarded to me. that whole 'i dont lie bc i dont fear anyone',lol. pretty sound advice there john.lol.

Well said, sit...

They don't all end up like that, didn't Joe Massino have like $7 million in cash and gold bars stashed in his attic...?

i think i read all in all it was around ten million with assets.

and you are right. some can be like joe defede and only,lol.make 250 thousand a year. others like fat tony...just looking at which bosses left what behind,look at the chin. rental property, houses already paid for, restaurants, contracting companies, and the rest have two hundred grand plus from a 'sit-on-your-ass' job at the waterfront.not to mention material for a book.lol. having enough money to set your children and grandchildren up for life?thats being rich.

being a boss is like being a senator.your going to get paid better than most americans. your going to have influence and you get a lot of comps. but they dont all have the net worth of mitt romney.

Gotti Jr said that o. 60 min well put dude

That's because the Westside guys stress that you should buy property. It's all they talk about. Fat Tony, Larry Black, Cockeyed Nick, that entire generation of Genovese guys born in the early part of the 20th century left absolute fortunes behind.

Their grandchildren are out of the life (another thing stressed by the Westside is to not bring your children into this life), educated and living large today.

exactly, like the 'guy' you and i were just talking about. his son [not my father] owns a twenty two unit apartment building in staten island. it wad bought for a million eight hundred thousand in 1991. today, forget about it.

Yeah, I know who you mean. Like my 83 year old father always says, You can't count that kind of money. You have to weigh it .

jesus i remember when thoes 'money counter' machines came out.after i would make my 'stops' i would drop off everything at the 'bank'. this was maybe one of the biggest banks in the neighborhood. the 'guy' i mentioned was a partner in it for a third. the other two 'partners' were very, i mean very 'heavy' guys. when they first bought machines to count the bills [and later coins], they had to rent out the entire forst and second floor the machines were so loud. literally they had three machines running twenty hours a day. not to mention the coins. i remember using a hydrolic jack to put a box of coins into the back of a truck. it must have weighed four hundred pounds.lol.

When Gotti told gigante he made Jr. He said that's to bad lol...even though Andrew got involved lada but was never made

There are exceptions. One of the Esposito kids got his button, too. But as a rule the Westside guys try to steer their kids away from the life.

Oh yeah I agree don't no much about ny accept for what I read...I've been reading.g here for literally over 2 yrs an ivy your good lol u got any questions about Boston dont hesitate please ask...up do the same anyone reading an wants to be a member of these boards should read an pay attention for a while before signing up..I learned just by reading ppl like ivy an pizzaboy

Thanks, buddy. And welcome to the boards .

Sorry for the grammar lol all done from the Droid...an I'm st work lol

No prob dude check out my Boston thread its pretty good lol

No problem, kid. I'll take bad grammar over a wannabe douchebag any day .

lol. at your quotes pizza, everytime i think about george screaming out the window, 'these pretzels are making me thirsty!!!'lol.

did joe zitos kid get made? or am i thinking of joe dente.? who disrespected 'e' and is got bumped down? i think its dente actually now.

Dente got bumped down or his son?

Little Joe D lives upstate now.

Talk about leaving fortunes behind. His old man put more people in the movie business than Sam Goldwyn .

Joe Dente Sr. has been dead for over 15 years.

That's what I thought. I was confused because I thought joe dente jr was capo and I've heard from ivy he mightve gotten bumped down

i remember being told he [the son] disrespected 'e.' during a sit.and lost his stripes. lol.thats the truth about sr. though aint it? other than pesci, didnt he have frank vincent, and whats his name mickey rourke? maybe im just going senile.lol

Cathy Moriarty, Joe Pesci, Frank Vincent. Plus, he was the go-to guy for getting all the stage hands and stuntmen work in New York (and later in L.A.).

If "Raging Bull" didn't get ripped off for Best Picture, Scorsese would have have had to thank Joe at the Oscars .

lol! '...and finally id like to thank a freind of ou-mine...joe d.'lol.

Lol I got a quick question for you pizza an sitonmyface....wats gottis rep on the street today or even when he died u think certain ppl were pissed about his bullshit...I honestly think massino said it right "john set this thing back 100 yrs"

Depends on who you ask. I'm sure that Sit will agree with me when I say that the Westside guys had no use for Gotti then, and even less use for his memory today. Gigante wouldn't have pissed on Gotti if he was on fire. But John was very popular among his own troops. That's one area where you can't sell him short. He did have his loyalists. Just don't ask Genie and Carnegs if they don't resent John just a little bit for knocking down their pleas in '89. They would have been home a long time ago .

I now I can't believe john wouldn't let any guys take pleas even his own bro rotten away all these years if they plea out they might have gotten descent deal...an look at dudes in other families make an art outta the plea lol l

On the Westside they kill you for not taking a plea when ordered to do so. And there's the difference.

But john was stubborn I geuss lol and yes he Def had his loyalist there's some out there today....if gene took a plea he pro might have been out around the time I graduated lol 2004

Why do you think that is the come down so much because there the power???

Isn't genes release date in 2017 that's not bad lol

Easy for you to say. The poor bastard's been away since you were in diapers .

lol your correct....i was saying it because hes only a few more yrs from release thats all he coulda clearly been out a while ago

do you think hell have a role if he makes it out alive....def not high up but im sure he must of left some money on the street...

He left a TON of shy out on the street. So did Carnegs.

Yeah I figure that gene must of had a a lot of money from selling dope

I always wondered why Gotti never put his brother as one of the shooters..

pizzas right. the one thing i give john props for,is being a loyal and having balls. its one thing to kill a guy. its one thing to kill two guys. it is one thing to kill two guys without the boss.but to kill the boss and his under?then take over himself?balls.balls.balls. he was respected for that. i think there was a 'mutual' fear between the chin and gotti. the 'chin' was the only one with the juice to take out gotti. and gotti was the only one with balls enough to take a shot at the chin.lol.

john had a lot of 'supporters'. honestly he was a 'lovable' guy. ive seen him twice in my life. we were 'formally' introduced at the old casa calamari. the 'nose' introduced us. he knew my father as well as he was friends with oneil. he was 'larger than life'.so to speak. he reminded me of that popular kid in high school that always had a bunch of kids around him. asking him 'hows the wine john', 'nice tie john'....from everything ive heard.mostly from a friend of mine from h.b.,said he helped a lot of people in his neighborhood. just handing out money or food. i believe it. my father told me we should watch the procession. must have been ten thousand people lined up and down the road there in ozp and hb. [crossbay blvd i think i dont know queens].people crying, you would have thought it was princess diana.lol.

a lot of guys didnt like him though. the brothers from canarsie, the cherry hill guys. honestly,he had more balls than brains. in fact,a lot more.lol. like pizza says, the whole 'no plea' thing is rediculous.lol. the gambino brothers said 'fuck that' and took a plea.lol. if he was to see his family now hed be furious. the most powerful guys are the guys he never trusted.lol. truthfully,he wasnt smart enough to ever be picked 'legitamately' as boss. im not saying he wasnt smart, but it takes a certain personality to be boss with out destroying the family in the process.

i always thought genie was the only one that did 'work'.other than john

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I was in funeral service for 25 years, Sit. Mostly on the livery end of the business. The Papaveros are close friends of mine. And they swear that John's funeral was the biggest they ever had. They were calling as far as South Jersey for funeral cars.

i believe it! there were more black cars than i could count.like what a dozen cars with just flowers?

i hope they got paid for that. i remember hearing some rumors about people stealing money meant for the funeral.

Yeah, that's what the problem was. Flower cars are pretty rare today outside of the old hardcore Italian calls. It was crazy. Even the Scarpacis donated a car. And they don't give anything away .

and where is he now? he gave up about $10M and is in jail/flipped and will probably die of diabetes if he ever gets out



another bronx poster (Charlie luciano) from the other forum claimed joe dente jr got bumped down (no longer capo)

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I know that Ernie never liked him, so it could be true. But it's unlike the Westside to break their captains. They usually just kill them .

I'll find out for sure and let you know, Dap .

Not much killing going on in LCN anymore, its 2012 haha

Thanks pb

Carmine Persico was probably the worst that fucked his children life.

The problem with CP is he never evolved as a gangster or as a person.This guy was allegedly involved in the hit on anastasia and then the gallo wars this for a gangster was fuckin paradise.He still has a 50s mindset and wishes the world was like that he believes a boss should be a boss until he dies

The guy just fuckin loves the life its a religion to him.If there was an oc hall of fame this guy would be in it.Guy was involved in lcn during the golden era and become boss during the 70s guys underneath him even were involved in the most famous profiable porn movie evr made.When he was out he was treated as a god on the streets of brooklyn.Even if right now a judge overturns his conviction but tells him if he ever gets involved in the life again he will be put back in for life i can guarentee he wouldnt give a fuck and just jump back in as soon as he steps foot outside the gates.I dont think he even gives a fuck that his whole family is in jail because to him there is no other way.He probably would of been ashamed of his son if he bacame a legit guy.

Its like when dom montigglio was telling his uncle Nino about some carreer he wanted to do it didnt matter what job he told his uncle nino would just say only degenartes do that but as soon as said he wanted to be a gangster thats what made Nino happy

This guy could of set his childrens up for life but instead he had his son out there clipping people

is throggs neck italian still pizzaboy?

he was in the gallo wars.but he didnt do anastasia.

just take my word for it.lol.

I just want to say thank God that we FINALLY are getting some decent posters on here. sitonmyface, meffaboston thank you for bringing decent and reliable information to this board in the OC section that has sorely needed it along with PB, Dap, and the others here.

Quite frankly I've had enough of idiots like Ricobenes, imamobguy, and Wilson

thats quite a compliment thank you.im in good company those guys know there shit.

No problem man. It was getting bad here for awhile. Haha were you around when mobguy was a regular poster? I've never beheld such a whackjob before

think he's gone for good?

I think people like Dicknose did a good job of running him out of town

John would have showed more balls if he had pulled the trigger himself that night in front of Sparks. Sitting back and having other guys do your dirty work for you just seems kind of weenieish. I abhor violence and don't condone organized crime, but it just seems strange how guys like Gotti get elevated to mythical status when, in actuality, much of their status and power are due to the work of underlings. Just saying......If John hated Castellano and Bilotti so much, what would stop him from handling the problem himself, personally???

he had about a dozen of very influential family members that were in on that hit. if he just did it himself,with no one behind him?hed be dead.

the other thing is.you send two guys to hit one.not the other way around. in a big public hit on a crowded manhattan street,its better to have four or five shooters, two crash cars and a look out.

when i first got here he had a few hundred posts.i know i caught him in about two dozen lies over personal messages. i still have them somewhere in there. he claimed to be in the 'racketeering business' lol with a friend of mind but couldt tell me which street he lived on.

he said there relationship was 'strictly business'. they would just go 'racketeering' around the neighborhood.lol.

As a whole Throggs Neck is still mostly Italian and Irish, Nicky. I'm on the Country Club/Throggs Neck border. Country Club is more Italian, Throggs Neck is more Irish. On the other side of I95, over by Tremont, the neighborhood is becoming a little bit more diverse.

But you have to remember, I'm 53 years old. I've lived in Throggs Neck for 25 years. And the changes to Throggs Neck are minimal compared to the changes where I grew up (In the Arthur Avenue-Belmont section of the Bronx). That neighborhood is almost entirely Latino today. Even the Albanians, who followed the Italians to Belmont, have moved to the suburbs. The stores and restaurants are still Italian, but the actual population, not so much.

We live in Florida for about four months a year. Other than that I'm never leaving Throggs Neck. If I was going to bolt for Westchester or the Island, I would have done it a long time ago, when my kids were small.

when did the Italians leave Belmont? 80's/90's??

Yeah, pretty much. By the mid '70s, most of the kids I grew up with had "moved on up" to Westchester with their families. My own parents ended up moving to the Scarsdale-Eastchester area after I got married. My Mom is gone now, but my Dad still lives there.

By the mid '80s, the neighborhood was at least half Albanian. But they never bothered anyone. Except for one isolated incident (and it was a big one, a heavyweight wiseguy's son was killed by one of them), I don't remember one single problem with the Alabanians in the area. For all the talk of them being crazy, I never really bought into it. But like I said, even the Albanians have moved to the suburbs now. You can tell by the Church. Mount Carmel has more Spanish masses now than English AND Italian.

I'm still in the area quite a bit, though. My family owns a rental property there. Hoffman Street to be exact.

Seems like that's when most Italian neighborhoods started to become less Italian. I wonder why?

Because we bettered ourselves, Nicky. That's why. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Why would I want my kids to grow up in what amounted to be a tenement at the time? Those buildings were old and cramped. That Italians got out is a GOOD thing. Sure, I miss the old neighborhood itself, but things change. And that's that.

I own (along with several family members) the very building I grew up in. Not to toot my own horn, but if that's not a testament to a guy from the neighborhood who "done good," I don't know what is. And for the record, the building is a lot better off now than when I grew up. The tenants have hot water today .

I'm sure you've seen put check out this photo of Barney Bellomo i posted.
http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=623923&page=16
Do you know who Mickey Generoso is (the guy next to him)? Can't find much about him.

hes an old timer brooklyn guy. actually i believe he grew up in the same part of the l.e.s. that my fathers family did. he was under in the ninetys.well respected guy, his son is a wiseguy now.

He's retired. Chucky took over his crew from what I understand.

Mickey literally has to be almost a hundred years old now. But he was a fucking powerhouse in his day.

Part of my parents old neighborhood in Little Italy (Chicago) fell victim to UIC (University of Illinois @ Chicago) expansion, Nicky. The part of Aberdeen Street that used to link up to West Harrison was completely razed and turned into a huge parking lot for UIC students/staff. It is the part of Aberdeen that used to have Joey Di Buono's (Tufano's Vernon Park Tap/Restaurant) grandparent's bakery. That street had several apartment buildings that were all Italian families with three generations in some cases. Most of them moved out to Cicero & Berwyn but my folks chose to move to a big up and coming new suburb called Barber's Corners... later named Bolingbrook.

Apologies for off topic but it just shows how some neighborhoods change in big cities. Ironic thing about this is that it still is a great neighborhood with a lot of Italian influence and main stays to this day. It always made me wonder how my life may have turned out if my folks never had to leave that street.

pizza i beat you to it.lol.

but yeah mick is 92 i think.and yeah chuckie is his guy. mike jr is chucks godson. its pretty much a staten island crew now. honestly,its gone down hill since mickey had it.

really? he didnt look that old in the picture

That's an old picture. Barney is almost 56 now. Didn't you notice how young he looked in that same picture?

oh i thought it was like 20 years ago max

twenty years ago barneys still in his thirties.

and mikey is early seventies?

yeah that's bullshit that UIC did that to Little Italy

Same. I check back most days just to read. I rarely post as I'm from London and can't add much to conversations, but I've learnt so much just from reading what these guys have to say.

Just like Sit said (by the way, welcome to the forum Sit) Mickey lived in Brooklyn and was a huge numbers operator. At least in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.
His father, Vincenzo "Jimmy" Generoso had also been a captain, a powerful one, probably already back when Luciano led the Family. Mickey took over his father´s crew sometime in the late 1960s. According to informants, his father ran a large bookmaking operation out of the Belvedere Bar on 2nd Avenue in East Harlem.
The murdered Genovese member Sally "Burns" Granello was at one point member of this crew. When arrested in 1964 for rape, Granello received a severe reprimand from Jimmy Generoso and it was said that Granello beat the rape charges by paying off the victim´s mother.
When Granello was murdered, it was said that the hit was made with the approval of the Generosos, father and son.

PB, the chucky you mentioned, is it possibly Chucky Tuzzo?

thanks hairy.yes thats charles tuzzo.'chuckie'. he was also called 'chickie',but he was much younger then.lol.

i never knew mickeys dad jimmy was an 'uptown' guy.who did he answer to?

mick was big into numbers. he owned a 'bank'. the 'bank' is basically a central office where bets were deposited and winners paid out.a lot of bets [like sports] were taken 'on credit', your customers could all pay up at the end of the week. a 'bank' needs enough money on hand to pay winners off for a week before collecting there debts. he had a 'runner' named 'zane'.lol. zane used to be the 'notoriously worst' card cheat youve ever seen. he usef to pull these old scams at games all over the place.mickey probably represented that guy in more fucking sit downs than he could count.he was 'banned' from carmine's place on 18th as well as 'pineys' after hours joint on cropsey. once zane got his wife to phone in a 'bomb threat' on a game where he was up a few hundred dollars.lol! the cops came, arrested everyone [including zane],took everyones money.lol. that was zane though,'one step forward, two steps back'.

jesus sorry to rant fellas.

Yes, Hairy. That's the guy. And to be perfectly honest, he's no spring chicken either. He's gotta be close to 80 now, and he looks every day of it .

I guess Jimmy was a lower Manhattan guy primarily, but also used that location in upper Manhattan for his bookmaking operation. That is if the informant, who claimed this, was right. Jimmy was a captain, so I guess he answered only to the Genovese biggies at the time (Eboli, Miranda and Catena).

Sit, keep on ranting. Love your stories!

Thanks!

John Gotti didn't fear anyone. If he was going to be murdered and there was no way out of it then he would face it like he faced his prison sentence. Alot of trouble was caused by him because he was a very blunt man and told it how it was.

It's highly likely that John Gotti feared Paul Castellano. Gotti and his crew were in hot soup, and Johnny Boy knew what was likely to happen!

Not really Jason. Johnny G had street people and had better connection than Paul. He had people who were rising fast. He had a WHOLE crew of people. He was a blunt man and hated Paul so why would he fear him? John whacked him without permission.

Though I like Big Paul better, John broke a rule. You don't whack your boss, plain and simple.

In all fairness, Gotti should of went. He whacked one of Castellano's men, whacked Big Paul and exposed La Cosa Nostra.

gotti didnt have commission approval, but the hit was brought before all the other families except the genovese and they all said "do what you got to do" or they looked the other way, just for the record

lol.what about valachi?lol.

"just for the record", I don't remember Johnny Boy asking Rusty and The Snake for approval to whack Big Paul. The Colombo and Bonanno family reported to Johnny G not the other way around. Johnny G reported to Tony Ducks and Vince The Chin and the Lucchese and Genovese families didn't like what Gotti did. Corallo and Gigante basically controlled The Commission and controlled all crime families through The Commission. La Cosa Nostra rule, you don't whack your own boss on any matter. The other theory is that Johnny G was hiding drug tapes from Big Paul either that he personally sold drugs or Quack-Quack did. So Gotti broke ANOTHER rule, "you deal, you die". If Ruggiero was dealing drugs then Gotti should of whacked him but didn't. He let a drug dealer in his crew even though they had a brother-friend relationship, rules are the rules. Follow them or you die.

So as I said Dapper. Gotti SHOULD of been clipped. He even killed Castellano's man. As Piney Armone (Dominic Chianese) said, "The rule was broken, if it was my call, he would of gone."

Well, if Dominic Chianese said so, who are we to argue?

My man,

Benny Eggs...do u agree?

Why are you asking yourself a question

sorry, could barley see what I was writing, Im going blind

John had it passed by massino and vic orena, castellano took drug money from demeo and other bosses also turned a blind eye to it when it suited them, rules are only followed when appropriate in that life

lol. piney is my fathers cousin. hahaha.