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Posted By: tommykarate

trouble in canada - 12/03/12 04:51 AM

Can any1 explain what's going on up they /who's in power now and who's been behind most of the killings?is it calabrian vs Sicilian thing from the cotroni days or is it n in-house power grab from people around Vito cus he was locked up? I've read into a lil but I can't make heads heads or tails.was Vito behind di maulos death possibly
Posted By: azguy

Re: trouble in canada - 12/03/12 02:58 PM

Many questions and few answers...With Vito's being away and the son and father being taken out someone was looking to fill power void that was being created...Salvatore "Sal the Iron Worker" Montagna must have played some role...he must have been pretty pissed getting tossed from the US and was looking for a new home
Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times

Re: trouble in canada - 12/03/12 05:06 PM

I don't think right now there is anyone in charge of Canada... I think since Vito's incarceration, and his subsequent return, they all are trying to figure that out...
Posted By: King

Re: trouble in canada - 12/03/12 08:53 PM

Would love to go to Canada. Go to Vito Rizzuto's club in Montreal and splash the money! Hope he'll become impressed and hire me as an enforcer. lol

Can't believe Salvatore Montagna was born in Montreal and raised in Sicily & The Bronx and later came back to Montreal for a short period of time, and left Montreal to New York.
Posted By: tommykarate

Re: trouble in canada - 12/04/12 02:19 AM

So who was responsible for taken out vitos son and father? And did they know trouble was brewing or was it just out of the blue
Posted By: BarrettM

Re: trouble in canada - 12/04/12 02:45 AM

The current theory is that Raynald Desjardins, Vittorio Mirarchi, Salvatore Montagna, Domenico Arcuri, and Joe Di Maulo formed all conspired as a somewhat democratic group to overthrew the Rizzutos. Nick Sr and Jr hadn't been spreading the wealth around, and the Arcuris had always been sorta marginalized. Montagna wanted to take over and stirred up as much sentiment as he could. Desjardins was close to Vito but ever since Francesco Arcadi ordered the death of one of his best friends, he held a grudge and really didn't give a shit. Montagna warns Nick to step down, Nick tells him to fuck off, and the killings happen.

Arcuri had always backed Montagna and Mirarchi and Di Maulo had always backed Desjardins. They started disagreeing over leadership of the entity that would usurp the Rizzutos. Sal shot first at one of Desjardin's guys. In the end most the soldiers on both sides got knocked down, a notable survivor being Tony Suzuki who worked for Montagna. In the end we all know what happened. Montagna was killed, but Raynald got life in prison.
Posted By: tommykarate

Re: trouble in canada - 12/05/12 03:29 PM

Were any other groups like the hells angels or rock machine involved in? Id assume there are members with ties to the groups or other gangs.the ducarme guy that survived the hit.was that related to the war
Posted By: azguy

Re: trouble in canada - 12/05/12 03:45 PM

I had read the Hells Angels and the Rizzutos were always very tight, basically they were street distribution for the Rizzutos.
Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times

Re: trouble in canada - 12/05/12 04:21 PM

Originally Posted By: BarrettM
The current theory is that Raynald Desjardins, Vittorio Mirarchi, Salvatore Montagna, Domenico Arcuri, and Joe Di Maulo formed all conspired as a somewhat democratic group to overthrew the Rizzutos. Nick Sr and Jr hadn't been spreading the wealth around, and the Arcuris had always been sorta marginalized. Montagna wanted to take over and stirred up as much sentiment as he could. Desjardins was close to Vito but ever since Francesco Arcadi ordered the death of one of his best friends, he held a grudge and really didn't give a shit. Montagna warns Nick to step down, Nick tells him to fuck off, and the killings happen.

Arcuri had always backed Montagna and Mirarchi and Di Maulo had always backed Desjardins. They started disagreeing over leadership of the entity that would usurp the Rizzutos. Sal shot first at one of Desjardin's guys. In the end most the soldiers on both sides got knocked down, a notable survivor being Tony Suzuki who worked for Montagna. In the end we all know what happened. Montagna was killed, but Raynald got life in prison.



That's an interesting theory and it definitely makes sense form a logical stand point. My one question is that did they totally underestimate Vito's resolve or what Vito would do when he got out of prison?
Posted By: azguy

Re: trouble in canada - 12/05/12 05:02 PM

They probably thought he was a defeated old man with his dad and son gone. I wonder if the Bonanno family is helping him, they owe him a solid after the time he did...
Posted By: gamms

Re: trouble in canada - 12/05/12 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: King
Would love to go to Canada. Go to Vito Rizzuto's club in Montreal and splash the money! Hope he'll become impressed and hire me as an enforcer. lol

Can't believe Salvatore Montagna was born in Montreal and raised in Sicily & The Bronx and later came back to Montreal for a short period of time, and left Montreal to New York.


lol!
Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times

Re: trouble in canada - 12/06/12 01:20 PM

Originally Posted By: azguy
They probably thought he was a defeated old man with his dad and son gone. I wonder if the Bonanno family is helping him, they owe him a solid after the time he did...


True that AZ...
Posted By: TonyG

Re: trouble in canada - 12/07/12 10:24 PM

Originally Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times
Originally Posted By: azguy
They probably thought he was a defeated old man with his dad and son gone. I wonder if the Bonanno family is helping him, they owe him a solid after the time he did...


True that AZ...


I guess they are glad he didn't flip and rat like the rest of the Bonanno's. He participated in the 3 Capo hit - they owe him for that. Big Joe Massino and Sal Vitale ratted him out, and don't forget, when he got sentenced he admitted to being a Bonanno "member" in open court. If my memory is correct, Vito was going to serve more time if he did not make the admission in court.
Posted By: azguy

Re: trouble in canada - 12/09/12 04:04 AM

It's like some power trip now to make these guys admit the LCN connection...Some of the Boston guys recently sentenced had to do the same thing and had a few years shaved as a result..
Posted By: TonyG

Re: trouble in canada - 12/09/12 07:55 PM

I don't know about a power trip as much as it will help with future RICO cases. By getting an admission to being a member of a crime family, the Feds can demonstrate an ongoing criminal organization in current and future cases.
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