Sammy Gravano pulled the trigger only once?

I've heard somewhere that in all those 19 murders, he personally killed only Joe Colucci. I have the book Underboss, but I don't remember If he personally killed someone else?

I heard he shot a guy named Stagg in a some joint. Don't know that for sure.

Joe. What is the chance of Sammy only killing one person, He became one of John Gotti's best right hand man and before he met Gotti he worked for some crazy people in the Colombo family. All his years in Organized Crime, you think he killed one person? Haha.

You don't have to kill personally in order to become a made member. You just have to be a part of the hit, whether that be shooting the guy, cleaning up, or driving the getaway car. It's said that Gotti never pulled the trigger, so I don't find it unlikely that a guy like Gravano pulled the trigger only once.

Gotti personally killed vito borrelli according to massino and i wouldnt be surprised if he killed others given his temper and we will never know cause there are no informants from that era who have that knowledge that have turned besides massino.

@ LCN1987 - I'm not talking about becoming a made-man and killing someone I was talking about Sammy Gravano's whole career in crime. He has said that he only killed one person because I bet he doesn't want to go to court and get his balls busted over again, His heart must of been pounding when he testified against John G so I doubt he would want to go through all that again. I disagree that he only killed one person while working in the Colombo family for a crazy crew, and in John Gotti's crazy faction. John trusted Sammy and Jackie D'Amico so I bet they both did a few murders for the Dapper Don.

Fair enough, but pure speculation on your part. Gravano said he killed one, we should go by that number and not speculate whether he "did this or that". I'm just saying that it's possible to never kill and individual and having Gravano's mob stature.

Gravano would have had nothing to lose by admitting to pulling the trigger more than once. He could have admitted to taking part in the Son of Sam murders and they still would have given him his deal. That's how bad they wanted Gotti.

Yeah, I understand. I don't know exactly how much he did kill but I know for a fact he killed more than one. John trusted Sammy so much so I bet he appointed him as a killer for some, maybe 4 or 5 killings but facing that number he wouldn't be seeing any light. I think he only says that he killed one person to get away from court. Joe Colucci was a soldier so I think in the Colombo family and yet Sammy spent 21 years in organised crime so I doubt very much he only whacked one person. Sammy was a high ranking member and a very trusted member along the Five Families so I guess he did several whackings for other bosses too.

Speaking of old guys, anybody know who is currently the oldest LCN member out on the street/active?

I can only think of Sonny Franzese as the oldest, When he gets out (if he ever does) he'll be back on the street.

Good question, Dap.

Benny Eggs is in his 90s, but I have it on very good authority that he's most certainly retired. As was Matty when he passed away a few months ago.

The common myth is that these guys never get tired of the life, but that's bullshit. A lot of them get put out to pasture by the younger guys, and a lot of them pack it in on their own.

What about Larry Dentico do you know if he's retired yet? He must be close to 90 now.

Larry's also retired.

How long is he serving ? However long it is i doubt he'll ever return to the street the guys nearly 100

Huh?

Camarel @ - If he doesn't get out and dies in prison then I'll owe you $5, deal?

Don't take a check, Camarel .

Camarel @ - Yes, Larry is 89. @ LCN1987 - Sammy has to have killed more than 1!

If he gets out it'll be a month before his 100th birthday and i seriously doubt he'll return to crime at that age.

It isn't like he is a Hijacker. He is pretty fit so says Mike and doesn't smoke or drink unless a party or wedding, something like that. He'll sit back and let the money come to him, He is an important guy and his respect and reputation and will get him money.

That's not a fact, that's what you believe. I'm sticking to him killing 1. Atleast that's what he said, and not what I think.

Yeah well that makes all the sense in the world accept A.Its the Colombos were talkin about and B.Its Sonny mf Franzese, Just my thoughts

Well, I know for sure he has killed more than 1. He was with the Colombos and John Gotti. I doubt very much he was left out of the murder.

Thanks for the great insight. Your absolutely right about some of the old guys being put out to pasture by the younger guys, reminds me of George Barone from the Genovese thats why he flipped. Some younger guys pushed him aside and took over his rackets among other things.



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How could you say that? You dont kno for a fact, you THINK you know.

ive heard that as well. it is a common thing among the 'westside'. benny eggs hasnt had to be 'on the street' since johnny d got hit.guys like him, quiet dom, matty, punchy, tough tony,all got guys out front doing all the work. while they enjoy there tans in fla or at the shore. guys like that do nothing but dictate common policy.nothing incriminating.

the only guy who has anything to worry about is the big guy out near you,pizzaboy.

ill put it this way. if gotti never pulled the trigger, how do you expect him to lead that crew? better yet the entire family? you think he is going to get any respect from guys who have done work when he hasnt? he made his bones. take it to the bank. gravano? total scum. ill leave it at that.

Barney?

Four reasons.

1) He's young by comparison.

2) He was close to Vince Gigante

3) The Feds never wanted to give him that deal in '96. They were hoping he'd take it to trial and get beat. Even with the twelve years that he was inside, they knew he'd come out in the prime of his life.

4) The Feds redux. They're still smarting over giving him a year for fucking mail fraud when they thought they had him dead to rights on a murder rap. A murder rap that he was innocent of, by the way. The star witness there, Pete Peluso, is as big a lowlife as God ever made. What did that piece of shit accomplish besides getting a 75 year old barber indicted and scaring him half to death?

And just for the record, Barney would have eaten his own arm before turning on Ralphie. They were that close.

He's probably top dog right now. Barney's got brains.

absolutely right. his every free breath insults the fbi. i have heard similar things about him and ralphie always being together. i had a friend who did his business around zerega avenue where they held court. he better hope no one around him turns 'bad', hes got a lot of 'baggage'.

There was a bar on the corner of Zerega and Westchester Avenue called "The Shack." It was a dump but it was there forever. Come to think of it, the place has probably been closed for close to twenty years (Christ, I'm getting old).

Anyway, Ralphie was in that place all day long. Angelo Prisco owned half the block. Literally. Those were the f'n days. But no more. No offense, but today if you don't speak Spanish, you can't even order lunch on Zerega .

(That's for my buddy, Dapper. He's a great Dominican Bronx kid, and one of our best posters ).

I haven't read Underboss in years, but i'm pretty sure he admits to more than one trigger job....BTW, the chapter about being "made" is great...IMHO

Okay then. Sammy was involved in crime at a young age. You seriously think Gotti NEVER asked him to commit a murder? We're talking about a senior member. Then all he did was make money and I'm sure if he was that trusted he did more than make money. I'm pretty sure some people in his way that he wouldn't let them go.

Its true pizzaboy i live in Yonkers and a lot of the italians have moved out which sucks. I remember when i was an altar boy years ago on Midland Avenue and a wiseguy gave my friend and I $100 each for a funeral we served in

There used to be tons of Italians in Yonkers, buddy. From Midland to Lockwood to Park Hill to all along the Cross County corridor. I had a ton of family up that way myself. But like you said, they've mostly moved to the northern suburbs. I have cousins who moved all the way up to Putnam County.

A lot of people call that assimilation and I don't argue with that. I think assimilation is a good thing. But you also have to factor in what they call "white flight." Italians are the kings of that. When neighborhood demographics start to change, the Italian Americans who can afford it tend to take off.

Compare that to the Irish, who are too stubborn to leave their neighborhoods (and I mean that with both respect and awe). Woodlawn is virtually unchanged all these years. Sometimes I'll take a ride up to Katonah Avenue because I have an old high school friend who owns a bar up there. That neighborhood hasn't changed in 40 years. Good for them.

And unless you're new or living on another planet, everyone here knows that I'm Italian on both sides. Been to Italy a dozen times. Proud as can be. But I'm just posting the truth. When the neighborhoods start to change, the Italians are the first ones out the door.

sucks neighborhoods change...
the irish left hells kitchen though

They were priced out of Hell's Kitchen, Nicky. Big difference.

The Irish tend to have big families. A three bedroom in the West 50s will run you $5,000 a month minimum today. What working class family is gonna pay that?

If not for the rents, they'd still be there.

@imamobguy: Doesn't mean he had to personally pull the trigger more than once! Come on, man. We can agree to disagree, but don't make what you THINK to be FACTS. Those are two different things entirely.

Jesus, I havent been up to Zerega ave in ages.

in underboss he claims he pulled the trigger more than once, he even claims he chased a guy down and shot him while he was wearing a cast and cruthches

- Didn't quite understand what you meant but I kinda know what you mean. Because we have no report of who Sammy killed doesn't mean that it isn't true. People are still buried and no-one will know anything about it apart from Gravano. Him only killing one person? Come on....

imamobguy, what i ment is that in his book, "underboss" he claims his first murder was his friend in the car, and if im not mistaken he also chased some kid down on shot him while he (gravano) was still wearing a cast and crutches. I remember this because in the book he says he told big paul what he did and paul looked at him like he was insane.

I understand this is gradually happening to Brooklyn now.

You guys are forgetting Johnny"keys" Simone of Philadelphia. Gravano pulled the trigger on that one. He was kidnapped at a golf course and shot in the woods with his shoes off apparently so Simone's wife would know why he was killed. I believe this is in "Underboss" also. I know it was written in other books also

Gravano didnt pull the trigger but he was present. Louie Milito pulled teh trigger. Gravano said he respected simone because he took his death like a man and he requested to die with his shoes off

Keys requested that a made guy pull the trigger, milito had just gotten his button and thus he did the dirty deed.

Yup thats what i said

milito pulled a lot of triggers in his day.lol. kind of funny if you met him in person. same goes for sammy. without the reputation or the stripes, hes just some short guy who dresses nice.

I remember when they found wild bill's body, cutolo jr said in an interview alot of the old timers would be pissed off cause you were suppose to take the shoes off a murder victim particularly a made guy and a high ranking one like cutolo.

A question: who do you think ordered the murder (are you talking about the Coppola one?) if Bellomo was innocent? Just interested.

Who says Coppola's really dead?

the scene in the godfather when michael goes to kay re politicians and gangsters - "who's being naive now?" is what springs to mind at this statement lol. sammy was a cold ruthless killer!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkYjRrmoXBs

he might have been trying to say ONCE TO MANY!!! lol

hahaaha defo!