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Posted By: LuanKuci

Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 12:51 AM

A Call For U.S. Treasury Department To Designate Gambino Crime Family As A Transnational Criminal Organization

The Gambino crime family allegedly is strengthening its ties to the old country, and the supposed move may prove its undoing under a recently issued Executive Order by President Barack Obama which authorizes the Treasury Department to designate transnational crime groups in order to freeze their U.S. assets and ban American citizens and companies from conducting business with them.

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Designating the Gambino crime family as a transnational criminal organization would financially squeeze it out of existence. All the U.S. bank accounts, real estate and business concerns which are affiliated with its purported members and associates would be frozen, and no American could engage in any financial or business transactions with them. In one fell swoop the Treasury Department through the Office of Foreign Assets Control would do more to undermine the Gambino crime family than more than fifty years of criminal prosecutions.

Full article with links on Friends Of Ours crime blog.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 01:22 AM

I've said this before, but charging American LCN guys with the anti-terrorism statutes will be next. Several of them are already doing time in terrorist wings. Charging them as such is only a matter of time.

So for everyone thinking that the Gambinos would be making a big comeback in America because they just got more Sicilian, read the article and think again. This isn't Sicily. It's not even Canada.

The American government will never let up. Ever. The wiseguys caught a break after 9/11. And now that those wars are finally winding down, the domestic end the FBI will go back to assaulting them full force.

Jesus, a Transnational Criminal Organization? Do you have any idea what the legal implications are there?

And I'm not saying it's right because it seems over the top. But it is what it is.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 02:38 AM

From the article though, it sounds like they won't be added until the Calabrian and Sicilian Mafia are added. That could be any day, but for now the Gambino's are safe.

Thing is what the Gambino's do on a global scale is probably a fraction compared to what groups like the LCN or drug cartels do. But it's all about technicality, if the Feds feel like the Gambino's are importing heroin internationally, even if it's small they'll use that to the fullest extent of the law.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 02:49 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I've said this before, but charging American LCN guys with the anti-terrorism statutes will be next.
my question is, how long until the feds lose all credibility whatsoever and start locking people up with no trial/lawyer/due process whatsoever under NDAA as its just easier than doing things the "rightway"? these laws seem to be put in place as sort of an endgame/copout, and not just for peoiple associated with OC. wake up/do your research, and get informed people!
Posted By: pmac

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 06:54 AM

goes back to this hurricane sandy if the boss tells his guys stay away? or it might be a quick/long payday. then maybe a guy just sticks to what he knows.
Posted By: short841

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 09:45 AM

I have to say but charging mobster with the anti terroism statutes is wrong. They are not killing thousands of people and terroising million upon millions of people. So extreme.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 09:55 AM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I've said this before, but charging American LCN guys with the anti-terrorism statutes will be next.
my question is, how long until the feds lose all credibility whatsoever and start locking people up with no trial/lawyer/due process whatsoever under NDAA as its just easier than doing things the "rightway"? these laws seem to be put in place as sort of an endgame/copout, and not just for peoiple associated with OC. wake up/do your research, and get informed people!


You studying to become an attorney lol
Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 01:42 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I've said this before, but charging American LCN guys with the anti-terrorism statutes will be next. Several of them are already doing time in terrorist wings. Charging them as such is only a matter of time.

So for everyone thinking that the Gambinos would be making a big comeback in America because they just got more Sicilian, read the article and think again. This isn't Sicily. It's not even Canada.

The American government will never let up. Ever. The wiseguys caught a break after 9/11. And now that those wars are finally winding down, the domestic end the FBI will go back to assaulting them full force.

Jesus, a Transnational Criminal Organization? Do you have any idea what the legal implications are there?

And I'm not saying it's right because it seems over the top. But it is what it is.



I think you are right, Pizzaboy. It get a little steamed how law enforcement bends laws and designations to fit their whims.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times
I think you are right, Pizzaboy. It get a little steamed how law enforcement bends laws and designations to fit their whims.

No doubt an abuse of Government power. But like I said, it is what it is and it ain't gonna change. And I'm just pointing out that these new "laws" are among the many reasons why gangster is a poor career choice in America today. These new "laws" are also among the many reasons why American LCN will never be the same.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 07:34 PM

The sooner, the better.

Looks like the Genovese are always the luckiest ones...
Not having re-established the bridges with the Old Country won't make them fear this sort of things.
Posted By: andrewc

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 07:59 PM

the Gambino's are over
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 09:49 PM

if this really happens when does it go into affect? That is not a fair thing to do
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 10:35 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
if this really happens when does it go into affect? That is not a fair thing to do

Not fair?

Where are you standing pal?
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 10:37 PM

dom cefalu says...

Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 11:03 PM

So many wannabes lately.
I'm quite disgusted...
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/16/12 11:50 PM

Like the others said, their bending laws
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 12:25 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Like the others said, their bending laws

And they're doing so to get rid of dangerous crooks, that's one law bending I fully approve.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 04:31 AM

Originally Posted By: andrewc
the Gambino's are over



Currently they are in good shape. But once that transnational law goes into place you're right it'll be over for them. I'll give it another year before we see some indictments come down on Dom and Frankie
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 05:16 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: andrewc
the Gambino's are over



Currently they are in good shape. But once that transnational law goes into place you're right it'll be over for them. I'll give it another year before we see some indictments come down on Dom and Frankie
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Originally Posted By: andrewc
the Gambino's are over




Currently they are in good shape. But once that transnational law goes into place you're right it'll be over for them. I'll give it another year before we see some indictments come down on Dom and Frankie


^ I'll check out that transnational law. Haven't read a lot about the Gambino's as a lot of the senior posters back in the day when the cherryhill gambino's got jammed up did rosario take that on the chin being the oldest brother when the other two were acquitted that's honor
Posted By: tommykarate

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 03:42 PM

Looks like its gonna have to become a secret organization again
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 07:21 PM

This is just an individual blogger calling on the feds to use the transnational law against the gambinos. There are no indications out there that this will be case.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
This is just an individual blogger calling on the feds to use the transnational law against the gambinos. There are no indications out there that this will be case.

yeah i was wondering why when i looked this up nothing came up besides that one link
Posted By: Ted

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 07:51 PM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Like the others said, their bending laws

And they're doing so to get rid of dangerous crooks, that's one law bending I fully approve.

So it's ok for the government to break the law and not individuals? The government breaking the law is the worst kind if crime because there is no one to prosecute them.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 08:22 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Like the others said, their bending laws

And they're doing so to get rid of dangerous crooks, that's one law bending I fully approve.

So it's ok for the government to break the law and not individuals? The government breaking the law is the worst kind if crime because there is no one to prosecute them.
clap clap clap
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Like the others said, their bending laws

And they're doing so to get rid of dangerous crooks, that's one law bending I fully approve.

So it's ok for the government to break the law and not individuals? The government breaking the law is the worst kind if crime because there is no one to prosecute them.

There's no doubt about that, Ted. I agree with you 100%. But it is what it is. The Feds are never going to let up on them. You know it and I know it.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 08:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
This is just an individual blogger calling on the feds to use the transnational law against the gambinos. There are no indications out there that this will be case.

Dap,

Do you not agree that the Feds will eventually use the anti-terrorism statutes as a measure against the mob?

The day will eventually come when someone gets pinched doing business third hand with a group like al-Qaeda. Probably something small like a bullshit drug charge. The mob guys probably won't even realize who they're doing business with, but The Feds will take a bullshit association like that and run with it.

When that happens, they're really in for it. There will be International charges all around. It will all be in the name of sensationalism and will basically be a witch hunt, but it doesn't mean that it's not going to happen. It will. Guaranteed.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 10:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted
Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Like the others said, their bending laws

And they're doing so to get rid of dangerous crooks, that's one law bending I fully approve.

So it's ok for the government to break the law and not individuals? The government breaking the law is the worst kind if crime because there is no one to prosecute them.


Because society has to be better than the individual.

It's for a greater common good.[/font]
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 11:05 PM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
Because society has to be better than the individual.
It's for a greater common good.[/font]
people with this line of thinking always seem to forget who gets to decide what a "greater common good" even means. about as slippery a slope as you can walk!
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 11:12 PM

Taking things of of context...typical

I don't really see what's all this fuzz about.

Would some of you actually complain if the Govt. manages to find a way to get rid (or weaken to near-death) a multi-national criminal organization?

For once, law bending would actually help to solve a real and huge issue.

Still, keep moaning.
Bye

Posted By: Ted

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/17/12 11:49 PM

In might be good in this situation, but what about when they do it in a situation you don't agree with. They can still justify it as breaking the law for the greater good. There is no consensus on what the greater good is.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/18/12 01:29 AM

Are you serious, you support the violation of civil rights, two wrongs don't make a right. By doing this the law becomes just as criminal as the people they paint as criminal. Its also a very dangerous precident to set. If this is allowed where does it stop, who's next, the NRA, or any other vocal anti government abuse group. What if they decide a group you belong to or support should be next. Everytime you allow the government to take even the smallest of personal liberties you never get them back.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/18/12 03:25 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
This is just an individual blogger calling on the feds to use the transnational law against the gambinos. There are no indications out there that this will be case.

Dap,

Do you not agree that the Feds will eventually use the anti-terrorism statutes as a measure against the mob?

The day will eventually come when someone gets pinched doing business third hand with a group like al-Qaeda. Probably something small like a bullshit drug charge. The mob guys probably won't even realize who they're doing business with, but The Feds will take a bullshit association like that and run with it.

When that happens, they're really in for it. There will be International charges all around. It will all be in the name of sensationalism and will basically be a witch hunt, but it doesn't mean that it's not going to happen. It will. Guaranteed.


COMPLETELY AGREE, I am actually surprised a situation like the one you described hasn't already happened particularly after GW Bush signed executive order 13224 after 9/11. Among other things, the order authorized the seizure of assets of organizations or individuals designated by the Secretary of the Treasury to assist, sponsor, or provide material or financial support or who are otherwise associated with terrorists. It cast a big net, IMO.

There are also individuals states who have passed or have their own expanded Patriot Act, e.g. Ohio. The Ohio Patriot Act gives law enforcement officials authority to deny entry to individuals entering "transpotration infrastructure" who will not provide identification when there is determined to be a security threat and officials are requiring identification from all individuals entering. The bill also gives law enforcement officials authority to demand the name, address and date of birth of any individual who is "reasonably suspected" of having committed or was witness to a felony. Failure to provide this information would be a misdemeanor.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/18/12 06:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
COMPLETELY AGREE, I am actually surprised a situation like the one you described hasn't already happened particularly after GW Bush signed executive order 13224 after 9/11. Among other things, the order authorized the seizure of assets of organizations or individuals designated by the Secretary of the Treasury to assist, sponsor, or provide material or financial support or who are otherwise associated with terrorists. It cast a big net, IMO.

There are also individuals states who have passed or have their own expanded Patriot Act, e.g. Ohio. The Ohio Patriot Act gives law enforcement officials authority to deny entry to individuals entering "transpotration infrastructure" who will not provide identification when there is determined to be a security threat and officials are requiring identification from all individuals entering. The bill also gives law enforcement officials authority to demand the name, address and date of birth of any individual who is "reasonably suspected" of having committed or was witness to a felony. Failure to provide this information would be a misdemeanor.

Brilliant post, Dapper. It's impossible to argue with facts, laws and numbers, or to downplay the notion that guys like Carlo Gambino and Frank Costello were up against a very different justice system. If you were in the life, you still had a shot back then.

Now again, I am not condoning the slippery slope that the Patriot Act puts us on. But these measures are here to stay, and the fanboys have to take a good luck at them when posting that the American mob will be around forever.
Posted By: CleveItalia

Re: Harsh times coming for the Gambinos... - 11/20/12 01:59 AM

I said this in a post a while back a few months. The gov't already has their foot on the entire italian OC accross the county, and I knew that if they truely wanted to just end the entire thing they would classify the families as terrorist organizations, specifically narco-terriost organizations with their eventual ties to the 'ndrangheta. They are all regressing back into street gangs, their main financial backing is gambling and eventually will be heavy narcotics, the italian OC in italy is heavily backed by narcotics and acts as a narco-terriost organization currently. Only a matter of time, they will hit a few of these guys with serious state terrorism charges and like cockroaches the teenagers, 20 somethings, and 30 somethings who grew up with nintendo will scatter and flee.
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