Mobsters- Tony Accardo

not sure if this has been posted but found it online
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUCaK4fcBA&feature=relmfu

Probably the greatest consigliere in American mafia history, served as consigliere under three separate regimes (Ricca, Giancana, Aiuppa). Still, some say he was a dry beefer cause of his shady butt buddy relationship with roemer.

The 'mobsters' series is absolutely awfully by the way.

I've seen this before but imo mobsters is not awful i'll agree they add an awful amount of rumours but it at leaast tries to document the only criminals i'm personally interested in.

Thanks anyway Nicky

Hate the way roemer tried to make Joe B seem like a boss just because he was the only guy that have him the time of day. Hate how the mobsters series more or less does the same thing, glorifies a consigliere

Joe Batters may have held the title of consigliere, but he was subservient to Ricca only. He held the real power when Giancana and Auippa were boss. Accardo had the final word on key decisions with those two, and that is beyond debate.

Lol just no. He was a lifetime consigliere. Consiglieres never hold top power, obviously. Ricca, Giancana, & Aiuppa were top bosses, JB was not. These are just facts. Just look at the family secrets photo, Obrien is seated at the head of the table.

Put down the roemer books

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

Agreed, when Ricca went to jail Accardo took over that family with Ricca in the background as a "consultant" and boss in name only, when accardo became consig in 57 the boss position was really a "front boss" (think salerno and chin) until the early 90s with all major decision decided by ricca and accardo

i rank accardo right up there with carlo gambino

+1

Lol that's just simply not true. Carlo Gambino? You're out of your mind, Ricca is the only one that could be mentioned in that breath, possibly Aiuppa. Giancana was more powerful than any of them, but obviously the lack of longevity hurts his claim.

I honestly don't know where you people get this crap from. Im assuming books written by bogus sources (Bill Roemer) & poorly produced television programs like 'Mobsters'? The boss position was really a front boss until the early 90s? Come on now, that's just talking out of your butt, no offense.

Joe Batters was never the boss of the Chicago Outfit.

Accardo was one of the top Cosa Nostra bosses all time in the United States, he was a low key behind the scene guy. He held the ultimate power for over 30 years in Chicago.

He can fill the top spot indeed, next to Carlo Gambino and other big shot bosses.

The Chicago outfit didn´t have the consigliere position in the way, for example, the NY Families had/have it. Tony Accardo was the boss of the outfit replacing Ricca in the 1940s. I have posted FBI documents saying so in earlier threads when Bridgeportvet (or whatever his name was) harried on here some time ago.
When Giancana was made boss, Accardo and Ricca stepped aside but remained as advisors, not consiglieres (the no three position normally seen with the NY Families).
Ricca and Accardo sat with the ultimate power and most of the heavier desicions went through them. This was necessary because Giancana turned out to be a horrible boss. They remained in this position also after Giancana was expelled probably because they found their positions, sitting in the background, suitable to them. And who can blame them?

I, and others as well, asked Bridgeportvet numerous of times where he got his information from. He never told us and kept mumbeling about him being on the streets of Chicago and therefore knew better than anybody else, that is, all posters, mob watchers, researchers, crime historians, FBI, LE etc.
So I´m asking you, Ricobenes, where do you get your info from from?

JB was THE boss!!!The End.

Edit:Btw Nickyeyes1 theres a post called "Organized crime documentaries" in the "Other mob films/books/tv" forum and theres lists of some docs and some of em can STILL be found on youtube,the rest of em r deleted

No, just no, on all accounts. The Outfit most certainly had consigliere position, the most notable was Tony Accardo.

Tony Accardo wasn't fit to sniff Giancana's butt crack, let alone be mentioned in the same sentence as fucking Paulie Ricca or Joey Obrien. Giancana was the most successful boss the Outfit ever had in terms of garnering power & gathering men. He established a proper heroin connection for the Outfit, completely constricted the unions, and most of all put Pat Marcy & the Rotis in power of the 1st ward. he happened to become boss during a devastating time, when surveillance was evolving at the speed of light & indictments were being handed down like it was going out of style.

Tony Accardo was a great mind, no doubt, and his longevity is pretty staggering, but he was a flip flopper that worked with feds and went with whomever was popular at the time. he never ran a crew or gave the decision on anything. He was a consigliere, a top advisor and a mediator.

One of the reasons people are misinformed are obviously the feds bogus information, but also due to Roemer himself talking up accardo because JB was the only one out of the upper echelon guys that treated him civilly. Giancana made it known on many different occasions that he would murder and possibly torture roemer without any hesitation if he was alone with him.

Anyways, all that is poppycock regardless. JB was never a top boss, end of story

Ricobenes, since you don´t name any of your sources, I have to believe you came up with your assumptions reading comic books while taking a bath. Sorry, that won´t cut it.

Who are you? I don't have to prove anything to you lol, mind your own business or rationally discuss, thanks

Hook LaPietra was my dad, happy? Hahahahaha

Then I have some questions I want you to answer. I´m curious.

- In the late 1970s, what was the address Hook Lapietra lived on?
- What was the name of the special club Lapietra founded in the 1990s and what was his role?
- How many sons and daughters did Lapietra have?
- What was Lapietra´s father´s first name?

Way to verify hairy, this should be good.....

-the mansion's at 30th & Princeton
-he didn't found the old neighbourhood club in the 90s, it began as a storefront on 26th st in 1981, and moved again to a slightly larger storefront. He built the new, massive one after he was released from Leavenworth with his share of the Vegas skim profits. He was the owner. I should know, we were members there growing up
-dunno don't care, his one daughter is or was married to Kurt Calabrese
-dunno don't care

And he's not my father :-)

I was jkjk rock infelise was my uncle, Vince solano was my cousin, joey obrien was my grandfather etc etc lolololol good enough??

Mooch eboli was my cousins uncles brothers uncle lolol, Joe ferriola was my dads cousins brothers uncle hahahahahaha

What Ricobenes' is saying jibes with the most in the know people I've ever spoken to about the Chicago mob.

The academic/outsiders always peg Accardo as the big mastermind boss, but the people who have street knowledge--and by that I mean basically were related to a member of the mob--say he was really just an overseer and uninolved.

They also are all largely enamored, as seen here, with the psychopath Mooney Giancana.

Well, it depends on what time frame you are talking about. Was Accardo just an overseer and uninvolved when he was in his 70s and 80s? Yeah, I think so too. Was he just an overseer and uninvolved in the 1950s, 1960s and early 1970s? Absolutely not. Together with Ricca, he was the one who appointed bosses (Giancana, Alderisio, Aiuppa). This is documented.

No one is going to take Ricobenes seriously if he keeps on telling outright lies. First he was the son of Lapietra. Then he was not. Now he´s the nephew of Infelice and whatnot. Who´s going to believe him? Why post a bunch of crap on here and expect he can get away with it? I want to regard this forum seriously and with respect. He should do the same.

I agree that he is an odd duck. He is obviously deeply knowledgable on the Outfit but I don't know why he would say all that nonsense.

Potentially he is a castoff from the old American News Post threads.

I really don't know the answer to your question. I can't remember if I've ever heard anyone insinuate that Accardo was NEVER the day to day boss. That really wouldn't make any sense at all.

I do think a few of the guys on the old American News Post threads, who were almost like Outfit PhDs, seemed to indicate that his role as a day to day boss was far shorter and less substantial than is generally made out, but like I said, those guys have their own issues. They knew an incredible amount but it always came from some family member and they would never believe anything else in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And like I said, they were all huge fanboys of Sam Giancana.

I just finished Gus Russo's book and even though it really advanced Murray Humphries as being the driving force behind the Outfit for decades he acknowledged Accardo as pretty much being the boss/having the role he is traditionally thought to have.

I'm not one of those from Anp (I'm assuming you're referring to the don & black angelo from those boards, who obviously had incredible amounts of outfit knowledge). I joked about my family relations due to the fact that this guy kept pressuring me, thinking I was going to openly say something like "oh I'm Joe batters grandkid" or "I'm cerones nephew" or something like that, which I would obviously never ever do. I am related to alleged gangsters, but that isn't important.

Everyone in Chicago is a "fanboy" of mooney giancana, not just the dickheads over at anp. he was the most beloved boss the outfit ever knew. To this day when his name comes up an outfit gangster will shed a tear & tip their hat to the man. He was a legend, fearless, had balls the size of cantelopes, and he'd get out there and fight for his men. Joe batters was known to the street gangster as some crotchety old man who owned a mansion and had no connection whatsoever to the street.

But I digress, like I said, one need only to look at the family secrets dinner photo at the Sicily to see AIUPPA at the head of the table, where the boss sits, with accardo in the consigliere spot to the right of him. It's not rocket science guys

Side note, its difficult to regard this forum and your posts in particular with respect, when you're blatantly reciting lines from Bill Roemer books & goofy television specials. Several users such as NickyEyes & PP as well as a few others are actually open to learning, & display some basic problem solving skills/rational thought, lol. Others, not so much. The dumb myth that Joe Batters is some type of Paul Ricca/Carlo Gambino/Joey Obrien masterboss was debunked a long long time ago. No offense to anyone.

I choose to accept the information advanced by the FBI, legal documents, public testimony, informants, and so forth, rather than an anonymous internet poster who claims to have some relations, then others.

The FBI had the Outfit wired and bugged (Little Al, Shade, Plumb). They heard discussions that the Outfit thought were private and confidential. The FBI, and Roemer, had no reason or agenda to assert anything other than the truth about leadership positions.

As noted above, the Outfit did not (and does not) follow the traditional hierarchy of the NY families. Giancana and Auippa were front bosses, in the NY sense.

Gus russo is a clown. If you'd really like a decent outfit read (there aren't many) go with Cooley's book.

The fbi, lol, right, the same org that legitimately thought that fucking Lumpy Lombardo was the head of the Chicago Outfit?

Roemer most certainly had an agenda, he hated mooney. This was well known.

Accardo was never anything above consigliere & front boss, end of story lol.

lol Joe B had more power in the outfit then mooney could dream of, fuck the picture all on has to do when compareing JB to mooney is see who's head got blown the fuck up and who died in his bed like real powerful boss do, ie rica and accardo. Your right its not "rocket scinece" to see that JB had the real power. Sam had balls the size of elephants but so did 99% of all the rest of the outfit bosses, the difference in power is mooney had a lot but JB had it all......soliai

Err.......no

yea your grandpa mooney had so much power he had his head spilt in two in his own home, yea that's some real power and respect for you lol......soliai

And posts like that, from goof stooges like black here that have watched the film casino one too many times, is why your little forum will never, ever be taken seriously by people that actually know what they're talking about.

its clowns and kids like you that ruin good boards like this one......soliai

Lol well Sam kept Obrien/Cerone under for a long time, never let them rise up, wouldn't let Obrien have his Melrose Park, so when he went away and Milwaukee Phil passed, the Obrien/Cerone faction made their move. They had to kill Sam, he would have started a war and would have never ever accepted a number two position to someone like Joey Obrien, whom he could not stand, which is well documented. So to answer your goofball ridiculous question, I think anyone would have murdered Sam, they were terrified of him. They just had to wait until Ricca passed to do the deed.

Wow lol, unbelievable. Very mature, turn this into a pissing contest. You're wrong, let it go lol.

So what earned Accardo his palatial spread? The one he bought from an industrialist? Just being a kindly grandfather figure?

And the poster above me is right. Unless you believe the goofy CIA assassin theories advanced primarily by his immediate family, Giancana was not as universally beloved as you would indicate, given his end.

I like Russo's book. While imperfect he gave a vetted journalistic treatment to the whole thing. I'm sure got a lot wrong but chances are he got more right than you know. There is a big difference between an experienced writer trying to seek out the truth through (mostly) legitimate sources and what you heard though your third cousin. Although he dud use some awful sources, like Chuck Giancnas "Double Cross," which was a blatantly stupid book.

Cooley's book was excellent. But my favorite Outit book is Family Secrets."

hey ricobenes whats your estimate on membership for chicago? I said at least 75 and they didnt believe me

lol Sam came back a broken man after he got kicked out of Mexico he had no where to hide, after that he came back crawling back to Chicago. I agree with u that they waited for rica to pass before splitting money head open. But not out of fear for Sam who was a broken down old man who had no more power friends or connection by this time. Sam was living of borrowed time when he came crawling back to Chicago. And as soon as rica died so did old broken Sam......soliai

Family secrets the book by frank Jr? That book was a joke, he lies incessantly throughout.

Are you referring to that gaudy mansion that he bought that Obrien ended up forcing him to get rid of? Seriously? Wow you guys are nothing but fanboys lol. He was a gangster, he was wealthy. He just wasn't particularly smart about what he did with his money. Any top gangster can afford a mansion, few choose to live like an asshole though.

Sam's family is long gone, they're a joke, they have absolutely nothing to do with him besides the last name.

There is plenty of info on the giancana hit on ANP, I don't feel the need to go into it. It was a changing of the guard, the beginning of the Aiuppa regime, and the dismantling of Taylor st. Shit works out that way sometimes

Eyes, its more than that. 200 max, 90 minimum. Could be even more.

Black cmon bud you gotta come with some real knowledge, some real discussion material. Enough with the romanticism, you're just a fanboy from Nebraska or something lolol

yeah i dont see how people believe they have 28 made guys. that would put them lower than detroit. No way thats possible

No the book is by Jeff Coen. You're referring to a different book.

The Giancana book was written years ago by his little brother Chuck.

What I have always understood anyway was that the tiles never meant as much in Chicago, at least not back then.

Are you sayin you think there are up to 200 Outfit guys around today?!

Just goes to show you how good they are at staying underground. Like you said, the fratto case proved that Cleveland is still heavily active as well. A lot of it is also due to the younger generation not having records. Also, the way Aiuppa set things up with each crew being its own miniature family, there is less communication between crews than ever before, so its difficult to discern what is happening within each crew, as no one answers to a "top boss" anymore.

I'm working on a thorough response to the questions posed by you & PP in the rudy fratto thread, its just taken me a while, I apologize. I will try my best to explain the difference between prime outfit (Ricca/giancana) and modern outfit structure, as implemented by Obrien, Carlisi, & DiFronzo.

I'm sure you believe Sam killed JFK, RFK, and go ahead and add Lincoln to the mighty Sam hit list ...lol Stop reading double cross its horse shit and so is the author mooney brother, just trying to make his brother out to be the greatest godfather to ever live. What a gullible kid you are, I got a pot of gold I want to show you, I found it at the end of the rainbow kid. Just edit the brother part....soliai

Ha! That is hilarious. The Outfit's practically dead. 200 guys. LMAO.

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200 is my max number, yes. 90 is my minimum. The outfit themselves would love for people to think its around 20-30 but it isn't. Marcello, sarno, and inendino alone made 20-30 new Cicero family members before Jimmy went away. You have to take into account Chinatown & The Heights & Grand Ave as well. Elmwood is the only crew not making new members, all those guys are up on the shelf for the time being

Yeah the Oufit suddenly became geniuses so that no ones been busted for anything in about 8 years.

Lol 200 made guys, not total. Total including soldiers & associates were looking at a number closer to 2,000

Also, titles didnt mean much during the Ricca/Giancana era (the prime). During Aiuppa's reign, they started to hold more meaning, as each crew became independent unto itself.

Are you saying 200 made guys or 200 all together associates included?......soliai

Not really, they just stopped killing people right and left after Cooley brought down the 1st ward. The Jahoda testimony didn't help either. IMO the Jahoda testimony was on par with Cooleys.

No body will take you seriously with idiotic statements like this......soliai

You are out of your mind. Let's be real. I really don't care who your grandfather is. The only way anyone not directly involved knows what's going on is through law enforcement.

As you well know, the last organized crime in Chicago bust was Sarno, for something he did in 2004.

If you look at the history of the Outfit, they were being busted constantly, for decades. It has always been common knowledge who the big mobsters were.

So we are left with the scenario that 1) they got about 10 times smarter than they'd been in the preceding century 2) they are largely dried up

ANYways, for example, let's take a look at the Chinatown area during the giancana period: you had Skids Caruso, one of Paul & Sam's personal soldiers from the 42 Gang placed in "power" down there. But it was more or less a false sense of power, because everything went through Taylor st. at the end of the day. Skids managed business down there, and had his own crew, but wasnt independent unto himself.

Now let's fast forward and take a look at modern day Chinatown: it is now a separate family/crew. Toots Caruso will most likely never talk with DiFronzo or do business with him unless its at a social function or some type of joint venture. Each "crew" is now more or less its own insulated family, with Cicero & Elmwood Park being the two dominant families, and Grand Ave, Chinatown, & Chicago Heights being the three smaller scale families. There are also separate crews within these families, so you never have guys answering to one top guy. You could almost compare it to a miniature model of the NY set up. It is extremely difficult to gauge membership because of this.

I don't understand why you guys don't think there are that many guys here in Chicago. With Chicago being a huge city, tons of corruption, and large Italian population. What's so surprising? I know it's annoying when people say "im from Chicago " but that's a reason ricobenes knows this stuff

200 made guys, really Nicky? 75-95 I can believe but 200, get the fuck out of here, only a retard would believe or say the outfit has 200 made guys. And I don't give a damn if he lives in Chicago, made guys in Chicago don't even know exactly how many made guys there is in the outfit let alone a Internet poster from Chicago.....soliai

Primarly because of my above reasoning.

I'm also from Chicago.

This stuff was in the paper and common knowledge for decades and decades. You almost never hear about it anymore.

Sarno went down last year for something that happened in 04.

Rudy Fratto got busted for trying to fix prices at McCormick recently but the judge determined it wasn't linked to organized crime.

They haven't killed anyone in six years.

The upper echelon has been decimated and I would expect that the only things DiFronzio, DAmico and Andriachhi want is to not die in jail.

Primarily, though, because of law enforcement. Either the Outfit have become geniuses, the FBI has become idiots or there is just not much going on.

I do believe there is probably a small amount of bookmaking still, and the video poker thing. But what makes the mob the mob? A couple of guys running a card came out in Melrose Park isn't the mob.

If Sam Giancana was so beloved, why didn't anyone from the Outfit attend his funeral?

Read the news clippings and his family public statements. No one from the Outfit attended, except maybe Ricobenes. LMAO!

Correct, Eyes, there's almost 9 million ppl in cook county.

don't be too harsh on shitheaded groupies like these guys, they just want to believe what they've read in books or seen in film. not a big deal they're a dime a dozen haha

we can just outfit banter over them anyways lolol

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I love......desk

There ya go. Knew somebody would get it. Just trying to break things up. Plus I love that movie. Carry on.

LOOOOUUUDD NOISES!!!!!!

I may be a "shithead" but at least I don't think Grand Avenue between Halsted and Western is "mostly Italian."

That neighborhood isn't even 10 percent Italian anymore. You should have visited it in the last 30 years.

Given this disassociation with reality it doesn't surprise me you think there are 2,000 Outfit soldiers controlling the city and making big drugs and arms deals... which they have, miraculously, never been caught for.

I'm just having fun so don't take offense, you clearly know your Outfit in a sense, but I think you are wildly, wildly out of whack when it comes to estimating its current activity.

Wasn't referring to you in particular, the shithead comment was mainly directed towards the other talking heads, primarily this black character.

Obviously The Patch has seen its share of other races enter into the neighbourhood, but that area is still heavily Italian. I'm up there all the time. What I really meant was that Italians still maintain control over that business district along grand, as is obvious by Italian business after Italian business.

It isn't a stretch by any means to say that they see heavily operating without catching any heat. You've got a dopey, sloppy, lackey dickbag in chinstrap fratto scraping for crumbs and it still took them years to bust him. Even then he's doing slightly next to no time.

Also, I gave 200 as my maximum estimate, 90 as my minimum, if you'll reread.

Good point about Fratto. He has to be the least respected mobster in the history of organized crime.

See ya at Richard's!

Im the shithead, lol I'm not the clown claiming the outfit has 200 made members, why stop at 200 why not say 90-500 members? Lol. And why don't u answers tony question, if your hero Sam was so loved and respected and all powerful why the lack of love and respect at his funeral? Could it be cause he was a powerless broken down old man who nobody gave a shit about when he got whacked......soliai

See ya there! Was there two nites ago! Gotta go during the day if you wanna see some real GAC hardheads. Burger Baron too, and many other places over there I won't mention

Buddy my dad was al capone, Joe batters was my cousin, Obrien fucked my sister way back, and turk torello was my uncle hahahahahaha.

All the details on the giancana hit are up on anp, no need to retread, ancient news

You are definitely a knock off of the anp forum, the don maybe black angelo maybe, whoever you are stop slobbering all over Sam nut sacks, he ain't what you guys try to make him out to be, like some type of don veto Corleone shit, stop trying to create this image in your minds of sam being the greatest godfather to walk the earth lol.......soliai

Lol please relax you goon, no one is creating anything, facts are facts, pal. Fuck the don and black angelo, tens of thousands of people read those articles, including you, obviously.

Lol @ don vito corleone! Are you posting butthurt comments in between yanking it to casino/goodfellas/some other goofball flick??

.....soliai (means butthurt )

I've seen a minority on here talk as if Riccobene is super knowledgeable on the Outfit. It seems to me that all Riccobene does is throw names around left and right to somehow try to prove to this forum that only he knows the true story. Also, I love how he claimed to be related and then got called out on it and then tries to dilude the situation by making like he's a crazy jokester as now being related to everybody to prove he was just kidding. The guy is an idiot, not just because his information is info that can be picked up all over the internet, but because he tries to act like a freaking expert. You don't know nothing Jack. Accardo was the true power behind Giancana.

FC, if you've come here to this board to flame a member you've come to the wrong place. Do not make personal comments like you did above or you'll be gone real quick. This is the only warning you'll get.

Im guessing this is black. Clever...no one said they were related to anyone, who the hell would admit that? It was obvious i was throwing scraps to these jawbreakers to begin with.

What is so devastating to you kids about jb being a consigliere? It's still a top position & he help it for an absurd amount of time. Comparing JB to Mooney is like comparing Tim Hardaway (jb) to Michael Jordan (mooney). Those are just facts, its not the earth shattering end of the world, guys, geeez!!

My uncle frank nitti told me that, now do you believe me? Hahahahhaa

like all your info, you are wrong again. I'm not FC the mods can confirm that to you, the outfit doesn't have anywhere near 200 made members, and Sam couldn't hold JB nut sack. Everything you say is false......soliai

Yes, yes let me consult the mods on this pressing, urgent matter......

Go play in traffic, kid. Youre wrong. Not a big deal, accept it, move on...........Soliai hahahahahaha

Dealing with clowns like yourself is never a big deal, picking your bullshit stories apart is like taking candy from you, to easy......soliai

God DAMN I've never seen anything like this! Guy gets humiliated in an internet forum, refuses to let it go! Kid, tuck your tail and go home! And quit typing that soliai bullshit or whatever the fuck it is pffftthahahaha

How much you wanna bet this groveling little maggot is from Belgium or Luxembourg or some farm bullshit, fapping to outfit documentaries ahahahaha.

BTW my uncle Dyno destefano says hi, says you're a fuckin goof coward lololol

I think you guys should get a room.

Look who´s talking...
Sending private messages to Wilson...

It was the only way to shut him up . And in the long run you'll thank me for that .

You sound more and more retarded with every post. Take all your false claims and move on, nobody on here or anywhere else believes your horse shit. And throw your signed double cross book in the trash where it belongs kid......soliai

Black: Jon gotti sammy da bull don vito!! (faps off in danish farmhouse) lololol

You´re funny PB. I love your posts. Keep ´em coming, buddy.
I´m pushing 1000. That´s why I´m commenting on them. Otherwise I´d just sit back and...laugh!

Soliai, guys.....soliai

LOL

LOL the retarded kid is having a tantrum hahaha, calm down before you hurt yourself with your parents keyboard......soliai

.........

You have the same attitude as Bridgeportvet (or whatever he used to call himself on here) had. Your writing style kinda reminds me of his too. Makes me wonder...

Perhaps it´s better to just ignore him so that he can sit in the corner making up his family tree in peace.

I was thinking the EXACT SAME THING.

Great minds and all that. Although it doesn't bode well for you that you think like a 53 year old mentally challenged Bronxite like me.

I know its tough for a someone like yourself to write a complete sentence, but start with learning your ABC's lol.......soliai

Damn you guys really just can't accept the fact that you're wrong! I don't think I've ever come across such a butthurt group, its remarkable, really.

You know wise guys shit on idiots like you for laughs during their free time, right?

Enough, guys, lol. Let it go. You want to talk outfit, let's talk outfit, but enough throwing temper tantrums like little children, you're grown men! (I think)

Soliel soleil......hahahaha

In the words of Bryce "that's a clown question bro" lol, like I said before, go back to learning your ABC's......Soliai

Black, guess who I seen at the bulls game last nite buddy? JBatters & tony soprano together with don vito gambino corleone moltisanti spaghetti, then mooney and capone showed up, then bobby deniro and Nicky santoro, they was all there!

They told me to tell you "............soliai u fuckin goof" lolololol

Yea your right HK, for the sake of the good posters (like yourself) on this forum, I'll ignore this poor Down syndrome kid from here on out......Soliai

Then we have the same mental capacity.
I don´t mind. I have a good looking blonde nurse by my side all the time. That ain´t too bad...

Me, too. But mine's 280 pounds, and I've recently taken to calling her Mama.

Why would he throw names out on a public message forum anyway? I don't think his uncle would be too pleased if he knew about this.

A couple of suspensions were given out. If anyone wants to fight like these two, take it somewhere else. This kind of behavior won't be tolerated here.

Well, I'm glad after all that work, we finally got the argument settled. I for one am thoroughly convinced that Arcaddo was (fill in blank).

giancana was a front boss (answered to ricca) that ended up dead

accardo hung around the top tier of the syndicate for 50 years

accardo had more success than giancana

accardo's guy cerone was underboss of the syndicate

accardo was the advisor of the syndicate

the grand avenue crew is still around and taylor street ain't....thee end

More success in what?

accardo hung around the top of the syndicate for over 40 years (underboss, front boss, advisor, triumvirate). giancana on the other hand only was at the top for roughly 10-12 years, got booted from his spot, then got murdered when he came back into town.

so how do you goofies think that giancana was the man?

This topic can, and probably will, go on forever. For anyone interested in the Outfit, I would recommend reading Gus Russo or John Binder's book .You can also find hundreds of articles on the Internet. Just google either name (Accardo or Giancana ) and start reading. After reading (it does take some time) you will begin to form a mental picture or each man. And after reading some more, the information will start becoming redundant. Hopefully by this time you will have come to some obvious conclusions, based on research, about who did what relative to The Outfit.

Good luck and good reading.

You are right. I actually have become bored with books on the Outfit because they are all redundant for me at this point. I'm reading DeMaris' Captive City now and it's very good but going at a snail's pace because, at this point, same ol, same ol.

They haven't aired this episode in awhile anyone have it on YT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUCaK4fcBA