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Mafia Long Time Fugitives

Posted By: Toodoped

Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/27/12 09:48 PM

These are the most famous mob fugitives that i can think of right now that were on the run(or still are)for the longest time...

Matteo Messina Denaro is on the run since 1993

Bernardo Provenzano has been on the run from police for more than four decades

Whitey Bulger was 16 years in hiding

Lo Piccolo had been a fugitive since 1983 until 2007

Giuseppe Falsone had been on the run for 10 years

Gerlandino Messina had been on the run for 11 years

Domenico Raccuglia has been on the run for 15 years

From the old timers Vito Genovese was on the run in Italy for 7 or 8 years i think

And i gotta put Casso at the end,although he was only 3 years as a fugitive he had a lot of "operations" goin on at the time while he was on the run

any other thoughts to be added to the list?
Posted By: carmela

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/27/12 09:53 PM

This is funny that you post this. It was 2 years ago, October 23, Gerlandino Messina was captured.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/27/12 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By: carmela
This is funny that you post this.


smile
Posted By: Big Alex

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/27/12 09:59 PM

1. How many of these guys are Italian as opposed to Italian-American? It seems from news reports that the Italians are quicker to to go on the lam than their Am. cousins.

2. Why in the world does Cosa Nostra (CN) appear in Court or wait to get pinched when they know they are going down for life or at least 10 or more years? I have never understood that.
Posted By: carmela

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/27/12 10:05 PM

Originally Posted By: Big Alex
1. How many of these guys are Italian as opposed to Italian-American? It seems from news reports that the Italians are quicker to to go on the lam than their Am. cousins.

2. Why in the world does Cosa Nostra (CN) appear in Court or wait to get pinched when they know they are going down for life or at least 10 or more years? I have never understood that.


Except for a couple the entire list toodoped put up is from italy.

They are tried and convicted in absentia in italy. All they have to do at that point is get captured and that's it.
Guys like Messina are born into their families and that's the life they have. It's nothing like here. He was looking to avenge his father's death and prevent more bloodshed, he killed a cop, he kidnapped that little boy Giuseppe Di Matteo, but it was never about the money.
It's more often than not about revenge, power and honor for their families over money.
Guys in the US won't go on the lam and live in a hole in the floor.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/27/12 10:10 PM

joe the clown lombardo and frank the german schweis
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/27/12 10:13 PM

Originally Posted By: carmela[/quote


He was looking to avenge his father's death and prevent more bloodshed, he killed a cop, he kidnapped that little boy Giuseppe Di Matteo, but it was never about the money.
It's more often than not about revenge, power and honor for their families over money.
Guys in the US won't go on the lam and live in a hole in the floor.


Thats that Sicilian mentality that makes em more ruthless,their american cousins are more...how should i say...americanized?!
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/27/12 10:26 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
joe the clown lombardo and frank the german schweis


Yes Lombardo was a fugitive too,for a year i think and also to the list can be added one more old timer,Louis Lepke.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/27/12 11:03 PM

Amuso also went on the run, Little Nicky Corozzo, Joe Massino
Posted By: Big Alex

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/28/12 02:34 AM

Originally Posted By: carmela
Originally Posted By: Big Alex
1. How many of these guys are Italian as opposed to Italian-American? It seems from news reports that the Italians are quicker to to go on the lam than their Am. cousins.

2. Why in the world does Cosa Nostra (CN) appear in Court or wait to get pinched when they know they are going down for life or at least 10 or more years? I have never understood that.


Except for a couple the entire list toodoped put up is from italy.

They are tried and convicted in absentia in italy. All they have to do at that point is get captured and that's it.
Guys like Messina are born into their families and that's the life they have. It's nothing like here. He was looking to avenge his father's death and prevent more bloodshed, he killed a cop, he kidnapped that little boy Giuseppe Di Matteo, but it was never about the money.
It's more often than not about revenge, power and honor for their families over money.
Guys in the US won't go on the lam and live in a hole in the floor.

I am not up on this Messina; but what you said about the Americans not living in a hole in the ground I agree with. But what do they think awaits them in US prisons? 23 hours a day locked in an 8X10 concrete cell? Some of the Fed'l facilities are a little nicer and more like Army barracks, still. And State prisons are absolute hell holes: Filthy, trash ridden, broken stuffed plumbing, constant noise, the smell is always there of shit,piss & sweat. Plus, it's always cold. They keep the AC jacked up so the prisoners stay docile. And all the prisoners get to wear is a 100% polyester jump suit often orange (goes w/anything); under wear or sweatshirts is at the discretion of the facility.

Better to slip away to Brazil or Montana or anywhere. But you're right, they wouldn't think of it.
Posted By: carmela

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/28/12 02:44 AM

yeah, they wouldn't think of slipping away to Brazil or wherever because when they leave their territory, they lose control of their family. And usually they do have some contact with their family..wives, kids, etc. They always find a way. Although, Falsone, who was also boss, was found in France and he's from the same town in Sicily as Messina.

And like many of Italian bosses that have been caught, Messina is locked up 23 hours a day (under article 41-bis regime) and for only one hour a month can have a visitation, but only thru glass, etc etc. If he would ever talk, they will take him out of this regime.
He was actually hiding out in a condo one town over. He had been in his own town for all those years, but then moved and that's when he was caught shortly after.
Usually, when they move, they're caught. Theyre only as safe as their close circle of guys around them protecting them.
Posted By: Big Alex

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/28/12 02:54 AM

Carmela, I've read about Italian gangsters making it to So. America, Australia, No. Europe and even the USA to start over again. Shoot, that's how our CN got started.
Posted By: carmela

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/28/12 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Big Alex
Carmela, I've read about Italian gangsters making it to So. America, Australia, No. Europe and even the USA to start over again. Shoot, that's how our CN got started.


I understand. Those are the ones that are out to make money, not revenge.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/28/12 09:22 AM

These days many mobsters are hidding in the Balkan states,most of em take Kosovo cuz they are connected with the Albanian clans that are close connected with the Italian clans(usualy the Camorra).
Posted By: Strax

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/28/12 02:48 PM

Bernardo Provenzano holds the record as fugitive 43 years.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/28/12 03:31 PM

Yup Provenzano holds the record alright,but in the 60's and 70's in Italy the carabinieri didnt have so much surveillance electronics and special tactics,so i think that back than it was much easier for him to hide...will just wait for Messina Denaro to see whats goin to happend,for how long hes gonna avoid the light
Posted By: Dwalin2011

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/28/12 04:04 PM

Michelangelo Franconieri (a ndrangheta boss from Rizziconi) was a fugitive for 42 years (arrested in 2001).
Posted By: Antonio

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/28/12 09:16 PM

Domenico Condello, He was arrested this year 2012. From the 'Ndrangheta or Calabrian Mafia.
Posted By: jackbottoxxx

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/30/12 06:15 AM

How about Giacinto Arcuris murder of Spagnolo (Mayor). I believe it happened in 1955. That is pretty long, I think. 57years!
Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 10/30/12 12:17 PM

Originally Posted By: carmela
yeah, they wouldn't think of slipping away to Brazil or wherever because when they leave their territory, they lose control of their family. And usually they do have some contact with their family..wives, kids, etc. They always find a way. Although, Falsone, who was also boss, was found in France and he's from the same town in Sicily as Messina.

And like many of Italian bosses that have been caught, Messina is locked up 23 hours a day (under article 41-bis regime) and for only one hour a month can have a visitation, but only thru glass, etc etc. If he would ever talk, they will take him out of this regime.
He was actually hiding out in a condo one town over. He had been in his own town for all those years, but then moved and that's when he was caught shortly after.
Usually, when they move, they're caught. Theyre only as safe as their close circle of guys around them protecting them.


Totally spot on Carmela. Goes to show you that it is not easy being on the lam and having to stay in the same location all the time. Sounds kind of like a prison, although you don't have the bars, it sounds like you wouldn't have a lot of room to stretch. Yes, you'd be making money, but not being able to spend it.
Posted By: Toodoped

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 11/04/12 08:59 PM

Roberto Matalone evaded the police for some time(two years i think),member of Pesce clan,one of the most powerful clans of the Calabria mob.
Posted By: jackbottoxxx

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 11/05/12 03:30 AM

and i dont know how i forgot to add Vito's father-in-law, Leonardo Cammalleri, who recently RIP.
Was part of the murder of that Mayor in Sicily, alongside Giacinto Arcuri.
again, 57 years!
Posted By: m2w

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 11/05/12 07:43 PM

cammalleri escaped to canada after the murder
it's not the same thing to stay on the run abroad and in your own territory
Posted By: pmac

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 11/05/12 09:32 PM

is the son of gaetano badalameti, vito, still a fugitive he beat the pizza trial in the 80tys was deported went underground cause of toto deaths squards. i read he's on italys top 10 list or 20 i forgot. he was interesting cause he was 23 during the pizza trial surrounded by top bosses. i think he fled in 95.
Posted By: jace

Re: Mafia Long Time Fugitives - 11/06/12 07:47 AM

Sonny Pinto, the man who killed Crazy Joe Gallo.
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