Salvatore Montagna

I'm sure ill get trolled for his post because there is probably a thread already about this BUT I CANT FIND IT ! soo blahhh... Anyway WTF happend to The Iron Worker? Did the Rizzuto's rub him out... or was it someone else... if the rizzuto's did rub him out why? and why havnt the bonnano's retaliated for their boss? or was it The bonanno's who whacked him? Please any info on this would be great.... Thanks

There's a lot of speculation going around about what happened to him. There's no doubt he tried to take over the Rizzuto crime family when he was deported to Canada. As to who rubbed him out from what I've heard, it was a rival family connected with the Ndrangheta, or possibly Vito Rizzuto ordered him out while in jail. I don't think the Bonanno's had anything to do with it, when he was deported that was kind of 'it' for him. But let me see if I can find an article.

Hey thanks Joey, but my comeback lol is going to be why didnt the bonanno's retaliate hell he was the boss of the bonanno's or street boss.

Here's a couple.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/21/...atore-montagna/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ke-way-top.html

Not much I could find. But there's some hints.

That's an excellent question. And please don't take my word for it, but I think the reason why is that the Bonanno's have too many problems at the moment to get involved. In addition Montreal is a hotbed of violence right now, I don't think they would want to get involved when they got their whole administration in jail or on trial.
To put it simply, Montagna might have fallen out when he was deported.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=651720&page=1

You should read this .

Out the top of my head, the ones indicted for the murder of Sal Montagna are Raynald Desjardins, Vittorio Mirarchi, Calogero Milioto, Jack Simpson and Felice Racaniello.

The French articles on his death provide the best information;

As of this moment Montagna is considered the number one suspect for the murders that took place. It is is thought that he tried to take out Desjardins too, who miraculously survived the hit without any injuries. Beforehand, Montagna, the Arcuris and Desjardins worked together, but at some point they had a falling out, which is thought to have occured at a meeting in September 2011. Only two weeks later, Desjardins was shot at close to his home, but the bullet somehow missed his head by a few centimetres, based on the bullet hole in the window. The would-be assassins fled the scene in a sea doo.

Then a month later a supposed accomplice of Montagna, Lorenzo LoPresti, was murdered while smoking a cigarette on his balcony. A month after that Montagna was apparantly lured to a meeting by Jack Simpson, which turned out to be a set-up. And while he succeeded to jump through a window, Montagna died shortly after due to being shot at least once. By decrypting text messages (probably with the help of Montagna's cell phone) the police were able to link Montagna's murder to Desjardins and co.

If the set-up would not have failed so miserably as it did, we would know probably still be wondering what exactly happened to Montagna and who was behind it.

Also, I think sooner or later the Bonannos have to do something about the murder of one of their members, in order to not lose face. News reports have stated that the Bonannos had put a contract out on Desjardins, and supposedly on Moreno Gallo too. Shortly before Gallo left Canada for Italy, he was warned by the police that his life was in danger.

You don't think the Bonanno's just dropped him after he was deported? I don't think he held much influence over them after he was shipped to Canada.

You're apparantly not the only one who has this opinion, but is this opinion based on actual evidence? It seems that he was respected enough to be introduced around when he arrived in Canada, and initially had support of mobsters connected to the Bonannos in Montreal, like the Arcuris, Desjardins, Joe Renda and others. It seems that he more or less was able to have a leading position within the Bonanno crew in Montreal, not suprisingly, because technically he was their superior when he was acting boss in New York.

Now do the Bonanno's control the Montreal Family? I think Vito Rizzuto would beg to differ on that. I always thought they were considered the "sixth" Family. I knew he had influence in Montreal and was trying to regroup them, but with the Bonanno Family itself I thought he didn't hold sway with them anymore.

Again I'm wondering how you came to his conclusion. Is this just your own opinion, or do you base this on an article or another source? I'm just curious as you're not the only one with a tendency to downgrade his role or position within the Bonanno family.

Well certain charts after 2009 don't have him listed as the acting boss anymore. I will admit this is formulated mostly of my own opinion but it was based off the fact of this article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-capeci/mob-murder-in-montreal-co_b_417688.html
Your thoughts?

Montreal is a big clusterf*ck up there. I think things will be much clearer as to what actually has been transpiring in about another year or two once Vito is out and has some time on the street.

If there is anything that needs to be suspended around here it shouod be all talk of canada until someone flips or some real info comes out.

I know this article very well. Rizzuto's famous words apparantly didn't do him much good as he was killed a year later. IMO, it only strenghtens the theory of Montagna being behind his death.

FBI reports make it seem as though the Rizzutos are a branch off of the Bonannos but Canadian officials beg to differ.

I don't think there's any information to suggest that anything that the Rizzutos make goes to the Bonnanos.

Didnt Vito come up a Bonanno soldier, i mean hes in jail for being part of a murder of 3 Bonanno capos during a family war. The man in charge before Vito, Victor Contri(ive mispelled it before so i could be now) was a capo to Joe Bonanno. Bonanno jr had many visit to Canada to meet with the Rizzutos. The Bonannos are the only family i know off with big Canadain connections, Joe and Cigars spent a lot of tike up there.

*time up there.

But i agree, i doubt a penny is sent to New York now, why would they? Hell the bosses of both are in jail.

Up until the turn of the century the Montreal Mafia was a branch of the Bonanno family. But defacto the Rizzutos operated autonomous since the 1980s.

2nd^

Do you think Desjardins could have taken the decision to whack Montagna by himself or was Vito's permission necessary?

Up until the turn of the century the Montreal Mafia was a branch of the Bonanno family. But defacto the Rizzutos operated autonomous since the 1980s.[/quote
That's what I was confused about. You made it seem like the Bonanno's controlled the Montreal Mob. I agree with daniel, I don't think money goes down to New York anymore. Both of the families have wayy too much to deal with at the moment.
My prediction, once Vito gets out of jail he's going to get back the people who killed his family and establish himself as Don of Canada. He's been going strong in prison from what I hear.

Does anybody know something about the current position of the Italian authorities about his extradition? Last time something was said about it was when Nick Rizzuto was still alive.

I don't make it seem, it is an established fact that for half a century the Montreal Mob answered to the Bonannos, which is corroborated by about every source available. Montagna tried to re-establish those connections. Traditionally speaking, the Bonannos had the authority to depose the Rizzutos, whether or not they still had influence in Montreal.

I also think that due to the current state of affairs, no tributes are being sent to New York. And I also think there's truth in that Sciascia's murder severed ties between the Rizzutos and New York.



I hope you don't base that on that New York Post article.

You mean the one where it says he's gonna take revenge? I wasn't sure about that either, but then again it's tricky to find articles that hold merit.
Quick question? Do you think Vito can lead the family back? And what's the Bonanno position in Montreal? I wouldn't think it would be very strong with the entire administration in jail

I really don't know, but I wouldn't be suprised, just as I wouldn't be suprised if he's killed in the months after he returns, if he returns. We might find out later this year.



Since Montagna's death I would guess the current position of the Bonannos in Montreal is weakened. But whether or not their administration is in jail wouldn't make much of a difference. If a boss is sent to jail someone else steps up to resume that role.

I really don't know, but I wouldn't be suprised, just as I wouldn't be suprised if he's killed in the months after he returns, if he returns. We might find out later this year.


Vinny Asaro (yes I'm basing this off the article I showed you) seems like a guy to take on that role. He's older, wiser, low-key, and he seems to run a tight ship in Queens. Vinny TV seems to be the top guy after he gets out from prison however. He could get the top spot

I agree. Seems likely.

With Asaro or Vinny TV?

RIZZUTO family vs Arcuri/dimaulo and co. That's what's happening.

Both.



You think the Arcuris are with Di Maulo?

I spoke with a Sicilian friend of mine and he mentioned betrayal amongst Sicilians and how times were better under the Rizzuto regime.

It seems like Arcuri and friends want to take over everything.

Yes, but various reports, including Mafia Inc. describe that the Arcuris were supporters of Montagna. It seems that they, Montagna, and perhaps Desjardins and Di Maulo conspired against the Rizzutos. Afterwards, the factions Montagna-Arcuri and Desjardins-Di Maulo had a falling out which resulted in Desjardins murder attempt and the murder of Montagna. It is said that since then the Arcuris have been in hiding.

That's correct Sonny and it pretty much correlates to what some of my Sicilian friends have told me.

It seems the conflict in Montreal has been two fold, where the first part was heavily influenced by local and external factors in order to get rid of the Rizzuto heavy hitters.Local players and Ontario got involved to push out senior management.

Like Mafia Inc. claimed, Sicilian factions or actors are now fighting to find one common leader that will lead them and he told me that the Arcuri brothers are hiding as we speak and the alliance between Di Maulo-Desjardins-Mirarchi group and Arcuri-Montagna eroded.

What factor will Vito play when he gets out? I'm sure he'll be out for blood

The table is turning. Rizzutos are regaining strength and gathering there troops. Arcuris are n hiding. Desjardins and co are safer in prison. Gallo accepted being deported as this was safer for him. Dimaulo is nowhere to be found. The new consortium didn't work. The Acuris were the masterminds behind the rizzuto takeover and not sal. They approached sal and promised him heavy returns for his dismembering of the Rizzutos. Sals position didn't sit well with Desjardins and mirarchi. Apparently the Acuris agreed with sals termination. He was supposed to disappear but they botched the plan. Now that New York found out the Acuris lost there bonnano backup and are even afraid of reprisals. The new consortium as made 2 enemies. New York and the Rizzutos.

Absolutely Correct. This is 100 percent true.

What bothers me is why the Arcuris, who used to be close to the Rizzutos and are from the same hometown, decided to conspire against their paisanos. The older Domenico Arcuri used to be a Rizzuto loyalist. What's his role in all this? Somewhere along the line they must have had a falling out. Maybe Sciascia's murder plays a role? Or the murder of Giovanni Bertolo? His brother is apparantly with the Arcuris. And how about Giacinto Arcuri of Toronto?

So they could be facing heat from New York now? Do the Bonanno's support the Rizzuto's?

Don't forget that old man arcuri was with violi/ cotroni before rizzuto takeover and giacinto is very close with ndrageta of Ontario. Old man arcuri accepted the rizzuto transition but never betrayed violi. Rumors were that he would be handed st.leonard from violi after his death but instead went to [BadWord]. Point is they were passed over. They weren't even given more power after Vito went to jail. They were still part of the giving end and not receiving end. They weren't part of the consenza bar consensus of Arcadi/Renda/rizzuto etc.. They wanted power and felt it was their time. It wasn't about money because they have millions. Especially in construction and real estate.

Apparently bonnanos have refused to help further with Acuris given that they feel that Acuris are indirectly responsible for what happened to sal. The infighting. A few nobody's took out a made guy. Rules don't apply anymore in Montreal.

i'm not sure arcuris and even desjardins-dimaulo's are against rizzuto's
i think montagna and the bonannos as a whole planned it
i bet catalano and some other zips are behind it too

I think once Vito gets out he'll sort this mess out. It's seriously messed up in Montreal right now

You're wrong. Everyone in Montreal know as of these last 2 weeks that they ve even plotting against the Rizzutos from the beginning. The story is out and they've already lost face cause the couldn't keep it together.

So the Rizzuto's are back in power?

almost all what i read are just speculations so far

CSF building firebombed arcuri part owner last week.
Restaurant building firebombed arcuri part owner this week.
New family under attack.

Not yet. But are back in the saddle that's for sure.

Poor Vito. Imagine losing your dad and your son and you can't do a damn thing about it because you're in the slammer. I mean he's a mobster and I don't condone what he does, but family is family no matter who you are.

Absolutely right about Bertolo. His death upset many. Especially arcuri and Desjardins.

Story is that they killed his son so the family could really feel pain and step down immediately due to deep emotional grief and shock. They figured that financially they were extremely stable and with Vito in prison the would head in a changing direction opening the way for new players.

Clearly didn't happen. I don't think Vito's stepping down any time soon.

If sals hit on Desjardins would have succeeded everything would have been different today. Sals death definitely changed the landscape for the new power. I say they were diminished by half. Sal apparently was the muscle. He only started to appear in Montreal e.g. Little Italy 2-3 months before he was killed. Never got to see his full potential. p

He's not stepping down cause sal is dead and the new factions are weak due to infighting. Perfect time for Vito to react and avenge. Seems like everyone's running scared.

Were you rooting for a side or something?

123JoeSchmo...I don't think Tony is rooting for a side, he just knows what he's talking about, is all.

Tonymtl...what are your thoughts on Giuseppe Cun trera as of today, and with regard to Agostino's murder?

123 schmo I'm not rooting but I was very curious to see what sal was all about. His story as a boss from new York drew many curiosities here in Montreal. Just didn't like the fact that a French pepper killed an Italian. This left a sour taste in my mouth.

Hi Carmela. Don't know much about guiseppe but a lot about agostino.

Very well then, thanks anyway.

Rivalry between French and Italians in Montreal? Don't get that in the northeast. Also better for the Family if Vito is in control?

All I could tell you is to stay tuned to Montreal. There's gonna be a lot of action in the next year.

Is there a rivalry between the French and Italians in Montreal? Don't get that in the northeastern USA. Also will the Family be stable now with Vito coming back?

Not a rivalry. Just personally don't really like French quebecers. P.s Desjardins is dimaulos brother in law.

Apparently Vito's close family are beginning to resurface. They haven't left that's for sure.

Tony do us all a favr and keeps us in the lop my friends, let us know.what ya hear when ya hear it, ya know what i mean? Thanks for all the info bud.

I will. Thanks.

Yeah definitely. I didn't know what the fuck was going on in Montreal until you came in. Much obliged man

That's very accurate and sounds most familiar to what some people in Montreal have told me. It also proves the conflict has been two-fold and what were seeing now is a battle for what's left.

I still don't think Vito will be come back alive

Domenico Sr. was awarded Violi's ice cream businesses, which I'm sure added a big revenue to his finances.

Anyway, if you think they killed his son, what do you know about Tony Mucci's role? Tony Magi, who is thought to have been behind the murder, has a bodyguard who shared the same residence with one of Tony Mucci's bodyguards. This made me believe Mucci was part of the conspiracy as well.

Also, how did the Cun trera family in Toronto (Big Joe) reacted to Agostino's death? Were they consulted beforehand? And has Joe Renda's murder have anything to do with Agostino's murder? Apparantly, Renda had a meeting with a Cun trera shortly before he disappeared.

Whether what you say is true or not, it seems like you have your ear to the street.

Italgelati is only but a small portion of what the Arcuri's really wanted and like he said, they weren't part of the Mafia elite in Montreal. They had to kick up to the Consenza boys like everybody else did, even though they had some privileges.

I agree.

Sonny is another one that is absolutely on the ball with all goings on in Montreal, past and present.

And Sonny your question about Agostino/Giuseppe were my curiosity as well.

Rumor is: mucci, di Maulo, vanelli, magi, gallo will be dealt with.

any reprisals in Ontario?

Apparently agostino knew for about a year that there was a contract on him. He had a very hard time living under protection. The guy never had a bodyguard with him since the 70's. He knew the end was near. The problem with the Rizzutos was that they had no muscle at the time of the killings. They were weak and surrounded by a spoiled rich younger generation. There street soldiers were in prison from the 2005 roundup. Whoever wanted st.leonard and more had to take him out. That was his town.

Yes, but why was Giuseppe nowhere to be found? And even during the funeral, he wasn't present. Somebody close had to have sanctioned Agostino's hit, no?

Acuris /sal took him out. St .leonard is the base of importance for Montreal.

Another thing. Arcuri sr. Brother in law is nicolino alfano who was capo/consigliere for bonnano family in mid 70's.

It seems like we are getting somewhere, although I don't take things for granted easily. For me what you say are still theories, but they sound viable. I hope you don't mind me being skeptical, but what you say sounds believable and interesting.

Who do you think is behind Lorenzo LoPresti's murder? It seems like he was one of Montagna's lieutenants, the other one being Pietrantonio. And I would guess Desjardins' crew was responsible for his murder as a reprisal for the attempt on Desjardins a month earlier. But what is confusing is that LoPresti's visitation took place at Loreto. Could it be that the Renda and Rizzuto families weren't aware of his collaboration with Montagna at the time? And were does Pietrantonio now stand?

Makes sense. I remember you were talking about the Arcuris when you were first here.

Very good subject you brought up. I've been confused on for months on lopresti and Suzuki. But apparently it was said that sal before he was killed was meeting with lopresti and Suzuki a few times. Sal was trying to convince them to transition into the new side from the Rizzutos. What I really know is that joe collapelle who was killed a few months ago was spying on Suzuki, lopresti meeting with sal on behalf of Desjardins. Police have this info through text messages.

I also wonder the same. Cun-trera was related to the Cun-trera-Caruana clan back in Toronto so they must of known this was coming since Giacinto Arcuri was close to Ndrangheta members.

Also, Pietrantonio and LoPresti were seen meeting with a street gang leader in Little Italy last year. Speculation is that they were setting up new drug dealing arrangements, which indicates that they had alligned with the new regime. My take on this is that they were possibly representing Montagna.

I heard they were told to slow down and wait to see what happens with Vito.

Isn't there a thing going on where Vito could be shipped off to Italy for other charges there?

Won't stick. Even if he does. Revenge will go on. That's what I heard. Don't forget about his and [BadWord] close family. Still active.

More bloodshed in Montreal on its way then? Can Vito rebuild his organization to what it once was?

Don't know. But he could easily rebuild better than what the new factions did. He will set the landscape for the new generation. The city was much more organized and safer under his wings. Even the cops know that. Well have to wait and see.

If the cops know that sounds like he's the one who should be in charge there.

Tonymtl:

1. Wouldn't it seem odd to you, as it must to all of us if we're being honest with ourselves, that the Rizzuto loyalists in the old Rizzuto organization took several years to regain their strength and gather their troops? Apart from some initial reconnaissance work that might have been required to figure out where the attacks were coming from and from whom specifically, what were these loyalists waiting for? An engraved invitation?

2. Moreno Gallo didn't "accept being deported," regardless of whether you mean he could have said no to deportation or whether you mean he was happy to go to Italy. Once he was in Italy, he asked his lawyer fairly immediately to try to get him back to Canada.

3. Your post above suggests collaboration between Domenico Arcuri Jr. and those who apparently were in a faction opposed to Arcuri Jr. and Montagna. Which doesn't make sense to me unless Arcuri Jr., Jos Di Maulo, Raynald Desjardins, and others were in an unbroken alliance from the start till at least Montagna's murder -- and I doubt there was such an unbroken alliance.

4. I'm well aware of the links the Arcuris in Montreal have had in the past with members of the Bonanno Family. You indicate above that the Arcuris lost their support from the New York Bonannos. Yet in your later post, below,



you seem to mention this family relationship as a strength for, presumably, a faction that included Domenico Arcuri Jr. and Sal Montagna. Is there a contradiction here?

Domenico Arcuri Sr. was in the Cotroni-Violi group in name only. (This was true of the Sicilian Randisi brothers who bought Violi's bar and were aware of the plan to kill Violi in it.) If Arcuri Sr. was truly loyal to Paolo Violi and Violi's family, Arcuri Sr. would never have accepted such a plum as Ital Gelati. This is why I have trouble seeing Paolo Violi's sons and Domenico Arcuri Jr. all being part of some sort of agreement to decimate the Rizzutos -- unless of course the Arcuris were prepared to hand back the business. :-)

Why should Nick Rizzuto Sr. have given Domenico Arcuri Sr. Paolo Violi's rackets in 1978? Was Nick Sr. even in a position to do so, given Vic Cotroni remained captain of the Montreal decina till 1984? Arcuri Sr. earlier exhibited neutrality in the lingering feud between Nick Sr. and Violi, but ultimately Arcuri Sr. seemed to have sided with his fellow paesani from Cattolica Eraclea.

I would suggest that the Arcuris' being wealthy has very much to do with their connections to the Rizzuto clan.

As for Giacinto Arcuri's being close to 'ndrangheta members in Ontario, the implication is that Rizzuto clan members or Rizzuto loyalists in Montreal were not close to such members -- and yet there is overwhelming evidence that these clan members or loyalists have generally had such close ties for more than 35 years. Arcuri, as a Sicilian mafioso living in Toronto, has for decades run in the same circles as Siderno Group ('ndrangheta) members and American LCN members living in Toronto. They all know one another. This notion that Sicilian Cosa Nostra, 'ndrangheta, and American La Cosa Nostra in Canadian cities fight like cats and dogs is ridiculous.

Based on your posts before and after the one above, you are suggesting the Rizzutos are responsible.

Why would Pavage C.S.F. be bombed as a way of sending a message to Arcuri Jr.? Are the Rizzutos going after Cammalleris now? (Vito's wife's maiden name is Cammalleri, and although she is not related to the co-owner of Pavage C.S.F., there is an association.)

Di Maulo is Desjardins' former brother-in-law. Di Maulo and Desjardins' sister Huguette divorced a number of years back.

I agree with the part of your post that I highlighted in red. Vito Rizzuto is a dead man walking.

carmela:

Were it not for you, I would never have known about this theory that Giuseppe "Big Joe" Cun trera was fully aware of the plan to kill Agostino. The theory is tantalizing, and I thank you for raising it, given it had not crossed the mind of any other poster on the two organized-crime forums I regularly frequent.

My opinion, made stronger now by examining more closely the longstanding ties between Montreal Mafia administration members (Vito, Nick Sr., Renda, Arcadi, Sollecito), Sicilian drug traffickers in Toronto (Cun trera-Caruana clan members, Antonio Cammalleri, Ignazio Genua), and the Siderno Group's Commisso clan ('ndrangheta) in Ontario and Calabria, is that Giuseppe Cun trera and Giuseppe Coluccio's partnership is, rather than being sinister, merely a reflection of such close relationships and not anything the old Rizzuto organization would be alarmed about.

You and others may recall the September 25, 2010 article written by Adrian Humphreys (co-author of The Sixth Family) about the discovery by Italian antimafia prosecutors of seven 'ndrangheta clans in the Greater Toronto Area. From the article (which I can no longer find online):

In their report, Italian prosecutors also state that the two main centres of Mafia power in Canada are Toronto and Montreal, with the Calabrian 'Ndrangheta prevailing in Toronto and the Sicilian Costa Nostra in Montreal.

The two groups, however, often worked together. Such was the case, authorities say, with another key figure in the Italian case: Carmelo Bruzzese, 61, of Siderno who "had, in Canada, a wide circle of family."

Mr. Bruzzese, police earlier alleged, had "deep connections" with Vito Rizzuto, the Mafia boss from Montreal. Mr. Bruzzese spoke regularly with Rizzuto's top men in Montreal and was a trusted partner in attempted public works projects in Italy, authorities said.

The entire "complex criminal organization" in Canada, the July report says, fell under the influence of Rizzuto, placing the Montreal man as something of a global super boss, at least until his arrest in 2004.

Carmelo Bruzzese's son-in-law is Antonio Coluccio, the brother of Giuseppe Coluccio. Antonio had been living in an affluent suburb north of Toronto at the time of his brother Giuseppe's arrest in 2008. In 2010, Antonio lost an appeal to stay in Canada, so he, his wife, and children voluntarily left the country. See the Italian-language article found at

http://www.mnews.it/2011/10/12/marina-di...rsa-dello-stato

Its petty cool that will most likely will get to sbee th history books wrote on tthis!

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Gallo is not fighting to get back into Canada and there there was a rupture in alliance among the new consensus. Once sal was dead and desjardins imprisoned everything went sour. This was a true infight among collaborators. No doubt.

Tony:

See http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthr...true#Post631683

Gallo had his lawyer(s) file a motion on his behalf a mere five days after he left Canada -- Gallo wants back in.

He has also said through his lawyer that he wanted to live in Europe rather than face assassination. So it depends on which statement you prefer. Don't you think it's kind of strange that he suddenly wanted to go to Italy out of his free will after years of fighting his deportation? Shortly before leaving, police informed him that there was a contract on his head.



Just like others such as Gallo, Cotroni and Di Maulo, Arcuri felt the wind changing and the best thing to do back then was to go along. Maybe it was not Paolo Violi's death that might have upset Arcuri Sr., but rather the death of his mentor Pietro Sciara. Arcuri was said to have been his right-hand man.

Daniel:

The problem is, many recreational mobwatchers -- including me -- sometimes make the mistake of thinking that someone like Vito Rizzuto, who has lost a son, a father, and a brother-in-law, will not only avenge these murders but also assume the throne again, thereby making Italian mafia history or rewriting the history books on the Italian mafia.

But what happens to Vito when he is released generally boils down to two scenarios that have been played out a number of times in the history of this thing: death or exile.

Either of these scenarios isn't exactly a choice he will make on his own; even exile could be forcibly imposed on him. (I guess you could say that he might choose death by willing to die while recklessly seeking revenge.)

He may be able to avoid death if he goes along with the decision to being exiled. But I strongly suspect there are individuals and groups who won't give him the option of being exiled because they will want him dead as soon as possible.

I do understand Vito's desire to avenge the murders. He may even be successful in having one or two people killed shortly after he gets out. But I think he will be killed within a month of his release.

good points but i would add a 3rd scenario to the ones you listed, that being that vito gets locked up again real quick as the cops are gonna be watching him so closely that if he makes one mistake he will be back in cuffs. also, who knows but will all the shit thats going on up there in the past few years what if they already have someone willing to finger him in something else? maybe not likey but for sure possible.

Sonny:

If you go through the news articles about Gallo's pending deportation, you will indeed read that Gallo realized that deportation was inevitable and that he would not fight it. But his lawyer(s) filed a motion, five days after he left Canada, to return. One can't dispute the facts: Gallo completely changed his tune, and who knows whether this was his plan all along?

How close was Arcuri Sr.'s relationship with Sciara? Arcuri Sr. seems to have had no problem being given Ital Gelati through the largesse of Nick Rizzuto Sr. We also have to remember that Nick Sr.'s relationship to Nino Manno of Cattolica Eraclea may have been an important factor in Arcuri Sr.'s realizing his place, within the Montreal Mafia, shortly before or shortly after Paolo Violi was killed. Sciara seemed not to have realized his place; therefore, he was murdered. And does it ultimately matter, 38 years later, how close Arcuri Sr. and Sciara were?

We all know Sicilians and Calabrians and other mafiosi descending from other parts of Italy have long memories. But I find it amusing when I read that certain Italian organized-crime figures in Canada have been holding grudges for decades and are now deciding to act on said grudges. In the case of Violi's sons, I have slowly come around to seeing that they would, after all these years, want to kill those responsible for their father's death -- and my change in thinking has to do with the argument that sons in 'drangheta clans are nurtured from a young age in the ways of exacting revenge and specifically avenging the murder of a father. Yet the Mafia inc. co-authors mention in their book and in their newspaper articles that Violi's sons were merely sought out to give their sanction to Sergio Piccirilli's objective of killing Nick Rizzuto Sr. Wouldn't Violi's sons, given the traditions surrounding the vendetta, themselves carry out such a murder? What were they waiting for? Will Vito himself, according to tradition, seek out and kill the gunmen who killed Nick Jr., Paolo Renda, and Nick Sr.? I honestly don't think Vito will have the opportunity because I don't see him surviving very long after he gets out of prison.

You are absolutely right to add other scenarios. For example, the Italian government has not formally requested Vito Rizzuto's extradition, but if the request is filed, Vito gets to live longer.

I also think that Gallo wants to return to Canada. But I also think that he took the opportunity to leave Canada for Italy for his own safety. With opportunity I mean that he might have used his deportation case as an excuse to leave Canada in order to not lose face. His lawyer filling the motion to return might or might not be for the same reason.



Criminals are an opportunistic breed. He might have accepted the spoils for his own benefit, while being resentful at the same time.

It is still difficult for me to ingore the stricking similarity between Rocco Violi's murder and that of Rizzuto, Sr.



I agree that Vito will be marked when he gets out. I have no doubt that some will try to have him killed the moment he sets foot in Montreal. Whether they will succeed we may find out in the coming months.

I try to look at it from a logical standpoint: if Vito is as smart as I think he is, he will try his best to protect himself. If he surrounds himself with bodyguards, I don't see his rivals being able to get close to him easily. This is not a Chuck Norris movie. Even one bodyguard can make it quite difficult to kill a target. Just look at Raynald Desjardins' failed murder attempt.

There is someone that has already been appointed acting boss on behalf of Vito. He and associates are restructuring. Theyve already resurfaced and as of today I've heard that Arcuri jr has been staying in New York.

Sonny:

1. I'm not sure what you are arguing about Gallo's deportation or about his thought process. I think you're making the mistake of interpreting his deportation as a tool he had, at his disposal, that could be shaped or bent to serve him. Gallo's case has a relatively long history. Back in June 2009, one newspaper article mentioned Gallo "is begging the Canadian government not to deport him, and instead 'extend a second welcome,' like the one he received when arriving here from Italy at age nine."

If you're arguing Gallo chose not to fight his deportation any longer because he wanted to be deported as soon as possible on account of his fears for safety, this is still hard to jibe with the filing of a motion to return to Canada five days after being deported. I'm also not entirely sure Gallo had any opportunities left to legally stall his deportation. Are you aware of any further chances he had?

2. Instead of focusing on Domenico Arcuri Sr. as someone who has the mindset of a generic mafioso, focus on him as someone who is from Cattolica Eraclea and may have strong ties to the Cammalleris in the Manno-Rizzuto-Cammalleri clan, and whose sons have ties to Gerlando Sciascia's son and Giuseppe Lo Presti's son. Bear in mind that Arcuri Sr. has been pegged as a first cousin or brother to Giacinto Arcuri of Toronto and that the latter may have been a suspect, along with Vito Rizzuto's father-in-law, in the 1955 murder of Giuseppe Spagnolo back in Cattolica Eraclea. I think you've seen the following before:



3. Even I have come to view the manner in which Nick Sr. was killed as eerily similar to how Rocco Violi was killed, given I have been quite quite dismissive of the Calabrians-taking-over-Montreal-again theories floating around. Nevertheless, I like to remind people that Rocco Violi survived a first murder attempt, that Nick Rizzuto Sr. was killed in his home because he was apparently reluctant to leave the house (where else would the sniper have a chance at a shot?), and that some experts like Lee Lamothe, who seemed to support the theory of Violi's sons exacting revenge, came up with a questionable conclusion when he stated that the murder of Nick Rizzuto Jr. was "symbolic," given the difficulty of killing Vito, who was in jail.

But in another post in this thread you indicated that the Arcuris made two enemies: New York and the Rizzutos.

Why is Arcuri Jr. now in closer proximity to one of his enemies?

All i know is that NY refused to continue on after Sals death. Im sure most probably that Arcuri got a pass because we all know Desjardins had Sal wacked and that it wasn't really Arcuris fault.

He's safer in New york than he is in Montreal.

I wonder why the scumbags Arcuri and Cammalleri are STILL free. They got their life sentences in Italy decades ago and never have been extradited. Doesn't Italy want them any more or it's Canada that doesn't give them up?

Dwalin2011:

I notice you didn't mention Leonardo Salvo's name in your post above. Do you know something about his fate or his whereabouts that you would feel comfortable sharing?

In the case of Arcuri, the Italian authorities were told by a parish priest in Montreal, when they made inquiries, that Arcuri was dead. (All three suspects had fled to Montreal.) This "corroboration" alone may have meant the end of the Italians' investigation of Arcuri -- the arrest warrant was certainly cancelled. There is also, in my and others' minds, ambiguity about whether Giacinto Arcuri of Toronto was a first cousin to the murder suspect Giacinto Arcuri.

Incidentally, Salvo and Cammalleri (Vito Rizzuto's father-in-law) would go on to kill again, taking revenge on Rosario Gurreri in Montreal in 1972 -- Gurreri was initially a fourth accused who may have given up just a little too much information to the authorities.

Cammalleri has been living with his daughter Giovanna, Vito's wife, but Cammalleri and his wife, Angela, were very itinerant for decades because he was wanted. Law enforcement already knows he has been living in Vito and Giovanna's home for a number of years. (When Cammalleri was living in Toronto in the 1980s, he was said to have had close contact with Nick Sr., who at the time was either living with Cammalleri, was running a business, or was a homeowner.)

Sorry, I just forgot about Salvo because I read the books mentioning the Spagnolo murder a rather long time ago, so I don't remember everything well. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about Salvo's present whereabouts, everything I know about the mafia comes only from books, so I am no expert. I wrote that post only because I hate those characters involved in the Spagnolo murder more that others from that organization because they killed a honest man, it isn't like most of the mafia murders where they are killing each other.
Sorry for not being helpful, I am afraid I am not one of the most informed users on the forum, unfortunately.

So how do you explain his sudden decision to leave Canada while he had been fighting extradition for years? Then five days later he's filing a motion that he wants to return. Seriously, does that make any sense to you? Days before he left, he was told by the police his life was in danger. To me it's evident one thing had to do with the other.

Sonny:

I have yet to read an article that states Gallo was warned by police days before he left Canada. Every article I've read indicates that when Gallo's parole was suspended in November 2011, he was returned to prison and police offers warned him his life in danger. Let's assume for now your argument is based on a factor other than when Gallo was warned.

Paolo Renda and Rocco Sollecito, who had spent time in prison, were also warned that their lives are in danger. I have this funny feeling that, as a matter of routine, law enforcement warns imprisoned Montreal Mafia members that their lives will be in danger upon their release.

I somehow don't believe Gallo was shocked when he received the warning from police officers. For all we know, this warning may have been laughable to him -- especially if he knows he has nothing to fear because he's remained neutral.

Bear in mind as well this part of the Journal de Montréal article you are no doubt familiar with (see http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/societe/archives/2012/01/20120105-061301.html):

Me Gary Martin, un autre avocat de Moreno Gallo, a cependant indiqué au Journal que peu de temps avant Noël, son client a reçu deux décisions défavorables du ministère fédéral de l'Immigration auquel il s'était adressé pour éviter l'expulsion.

«Son sort était scellé. J'ai appris que le premier ministre Harper était personnellement au courant du dossier de M. Gallo et qu'il souhaitait ardemment son départ dans les plus brefs délais», a indiqué Me Martin au Journal.

Yes, Gallo chose voluntary deportation, but he didn't leave Canada till 14 days after he was released. (He could not be deported till he was released from prison.)

It is usual practise for law enforcement that whenever there is a contract on someone's head, they have the obligation to warn this individual that his life is in danger. They have done this with Agostino Cun trera, Nick Rizzuto, Paolo Renda, all who are now dead.

I'm sure that at the time they warned Rocco Sollecito, Salvatore Montagna's faction was looking to kill him too. Also, I remember an article which suggested that Gallo might have been involved in Montagna's murder. Gallo and Mucci have been identified as close associates of Desjardins.

Law enforcement had seen Tony Mucci driving around in the same neighborhood where Montagna would be killed a few weeks later. I agree however that is could very well have just been a coincidence. But if it's not, then it is likely that Gallo and Mucci were involved. I personally think they were.

I was wrong about the days while it has rather been weeks. But it would not make much of a difference, because fact is that not long after being warned, Gallo left for Italy.

I've read so many articles on these events in the last year that after some time I get confused about all the details.

A couple of weeks ago I also accidentally lost all my bookmarks about Canadian organized crime. Luckily it wasn't a big deal as they had fulfilled their purpose.

Acuris building firebombed for a second time this morning in 2 weeks. The squeezing has begun.

the sciascia guy who was gunned down with the other older guy out side a shop was that georges kid, the bonnano guy who got killed in the bronx 1999 who was blamed for that 1 , even with them gone theres a strong family link down here. joe massino made a big mistake, like gotti and his mouth. they would be a problem.

No. Sciascia's son is named Joseph Mark Scascia and he runs a restaurant in Montreal. Liborio Sciascia might have been related.

-Article this morning in the Journal de Montreal:http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/08/28/la-signature-de-vito
-Also, another shooting in an Italian Cafe last night:http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/08/29/deux-tentatives-de-meurtre


Shadow of the fallen godfather Vito Rizzuto is behind three arsons that damaged property belonging to the businessman Domenico Arcuri over the last 10 days.

This is what several sources believe the police and the criminal underworld consulted yesterday by the Journal. Our sources even say that these incidents were the "infancy" of the upcoming release from prison of the fallen godfather and his supporters begin to "set the table" for his eventual return to the metropolis.

In a little over a month in fact, Vito Rizzuto leave the penitentiary in Florence, Colorado, after serving a 10 year sentence for his involvement in the murders of three Bonanno clan lieutenants committed in 1981 in New York.

A taste

While nobody dared to bet a penny on his return after the assassination of the father of Vito Rizzuto, Nicolo, in autumn 2010, observers are now more likely to believe that he will return to Montreal to resume place and settle accounts.

The arson committed against a construction company owned by the brothers Arcuri, Mirabeau street in the borough of Anjou, August 17, and Molotov cocktails thrown at a commercial building on Boulevard Maurice-Duplessis owned Domenico Arcuri, yesterday, August 22, could be a taste.

If Domenico Arcuri and Vito Rizzuto are already "in the same camp" in the past, they would be now.

Sources of the police and the criminal told the Journal that Domenico Arcuri, with other actors such as the businessman Raynald Desjardins, Salvatore Montagna aspiring sponsor, had taken an active part in the struggle for influence that led to the collapse of the Rizzuto clan at the end of 2010.

Ephemeral

However, a dispute broke out between then Desjardins and Montagna. Desjardins was the victim of an attempted murder spectacular Laval in September 2011.

Two months later, Montagna was killed on the island Vaudry, Charlemagne, after being lured into a trap. Desjardins and four other individuals were arrested a month later and are now accused of murder.

Found

Arson committed against Domenico Arcuri buildings would therefore be a message.

Police sources have indicated qu'Arcuri is currently found, also a rumor circulating in the Italian cafes in the city.

In cafés, it is also said that family members Arcuri reportedly tried to calm the people with influential mafia "but they have been turned back," we were told.

Police sources also told us that even when the weather was good, in the Mafia, Domenico Arcuri Vito Rizzuto and had their disputes.

Eurodave right on the trigger. Thanks. Police also mentioned that arcuri brothers are nowhere to be reached.

been reading about this war for a year or more some one put up a pic of domic arcuri, and i wonder if he was related to the famous gambino capo by the last name arcuri.

I doubt anyone will be able to find an online photo of Domenico Arcuri Jr. till a picture accompanies a future article about him.

Arcuri Jr. is not related to the deceased Joe Arcuri (d. 2007), who was a longtime member of the Gambino Family. The former may be a first cousin once removed of the deceased Giuseppe Arcuri (d. 2001), who was a member of the Bonanno Family in New York and who had close ties to George from Canada, given they spent much time together in Long Island. Both Giuseppe Arcuri and Sciascia were born in the same Sicilian hometown as other Rizzuto clan members.

Law enforcement and veteran organized-crime reporters and writers had, in the past, confused Joe Arcuri and Giuseppe Arcuri. (Joe Arcuri's Christian name was very likely Giuseppe, so this very likely added to the confusion.) I unfortunately confused the two shortly after Joe Arcuri died in 2007, posting on the RealDeal forum how he was related to Domenico Arcuri Sr. in Montreal and Giacinto Arcuri in Toronto -- Joe Arcuri was not related at all to these individuals.

from what i can tell, arcuri screwed this whole thing up trying to become boss, now just a matter of time until he gets whacked

Vito is a target, and he certainly isn't safe within these next upcoming months of his release. But if anyone can lead Montreal back it's him. How it plays out is still a mystery. I still say Vito is after blood, but whether or not he survives cannot be predicted.

Another building firebombed this morning. Right next door to Arcuris ice cream factory. Most likely their building too.

MONTREAL – Add another professional-appearing overnight torch job to the recently burgeoning list of arson cases being probed in the city’s north end.

A fire that broke out in a minivan parked less than a metre from a two-storey commercial building in Saint-Léonard – and that spread with remarkable rapidity – was clearly planned, Constable Anthony Cantelmi of Montreal police said Thursday morning.

"The speed at which the fire spread indicated that it was set intentionally,” he added.

Arson investigators were called at 11:40 p.m. Wednesday by firefighters trying to extinguish the blaze, on Creusot St. near Magloire St.

The commercial building, which housed an auto-body shop and a second business, was extensively damaged.

Two other vehicles were also destroyed.

No estimate of monetary damage was immediately available.

No injuries were reported.

The crime scene is located several blocks north of the Metropolitan Expressway, just east of Langelier Blvd.

Cantelmi wouldn’t speculate whether the latest incident and a spate of similar ones is linked to organized crime, adding that this will be up to investigators to determine.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Anot...l#ixzz252gUtBpu

Apparently police sources say that they hit the wrong building. So much for sending professionals.

Well seems they've been using drug addicts and low lifes to do most of these. So far only a few have bungled so can't really complain about their method. Too risky and embarrassing for an Italian to get caught doing such a thing.