Richard Kuklinski (Iceman) rumors

Yeah it is Bullshit. Iceman was a major hitman working for the DeCavalcante family, Five Families, Philly Mob, Chicago Outfit and many other families and gangs. Very smart and succesful man.

Where did you hear that?

Probably from Kuklinski himslef lol. I assumed the post was a tad facetious.

If there was any proof at all, beyond his assertions...we would have heard about it by now. That is all. 5 million mob trials later, with informers galore, and he is never mentioned once iirc? Hmmm.

I haven't heard ANY report or interview of him claiming that he killed Castellano. I think Tommy Karate - You don't believe him so you'll add more shi* to make more people not believe in him, haha.

Ive heard him claim to be in on the Big Paul hit also

he claimed he did hoffa to.lol.

Wonder what his motivation is for lying though? Could be just ego... maybe he told some whoppers to help those guys sell books (maybe his family got a cut?)...

Someone said he might be doing it to try to keep on the mob's good side so they would help his family (i.e. take the heat off of them for a bunch of famous hits) but since he was going to testify against Gravano that theory is out the door

Kuklinski would take credit for cucifying Jesus Christ if he could. No disrespect to Christians... For the record, He is my Lord & Saviour. My point being is that this guy claims to have killed everybody that is still an open case in police files. He should have been called "Father Goose" with all the Fairy Tales he has spun. Total blow hard.

Kuklinski would take credit for cucifying Jesus Christ if he could. No disrespect to Christians... For the record, He is my Lord & Saviour. My point being is that this guy claims to have killed everybody that is still an open case in police files. He should have been called "Father Goose" with all the Fairy Tales he has spun. Total blow hard.

the story i have always heard is that he picked up the 'mob hit man' angle from bobby bisiccia while he was locked up already for the killings. before that he was just a serial killer.

Yeah, but the serial murders were just a hobby .

I haven't heard ANY report or interview of him claiming that he killed Castellano. I think Tommy Karate - You don't believe him so you'll add more shi* to make more people not believe in him, haha.

If this guy is full of sh*t (which is the consensus on this board and others) how did he get a book deal and a major movie made about him?

He also claimed to be responsible for the DeMeo hit.

And he had laid some charges against Sammy the Bull, that he had contracted kuklinksi to whack someone (forget who). but the fed dropped the charges because Kuklinski was full of shit... And also he died XD

Probably 100% bullshit

Kuklinski's over-the-top claims remind me of Henry Lee Lucas. He turned himself into police, claiming he'd been on a murderous rampage across America, killing several hundred people "in 24 states".

He claimed to be responsible for so many crimes, the police became suspicious. The cops began making up crimes and asking Henry Lee Lucas if he was responsible for them. He admitted to whatever bogus crap they threw at him.

lucas and toole were in fact apart of a satanic cult in mexico called the Hand of Death. this cult still exists, today they are known as The Hand with Eyes. it's not over the top and its not BS. the reality is there are 1,000's of daily murders carried out in the most grisly fashion by this cult for the purpose of organ trafficking, and done in the name of Satan.

Well he had something to do with Roy DeMeo. Thats why the Paul Hoffmann murder happened.

Anthony Bruno verifyed it.

As for his association with DeMeo, the late Kenny McCabe of the NYPD confirmed that Kuklinski had been at the Gemini Lounge in Brooklyn (DeMeo's headquarters) on several occasions. DeMeo was under surveillance in the early '80s, and the police routinely took down the plate numbers of the cars parked around the bar. Kuklinski's was one of them.

http://www.amazon.com/Immortal-Monster-Crimescape-Anthony-Bruno-ebook/dp/B005DN1UG2

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/americanmafia/conversations/topics/7489

This review is from: The Ice Man: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer (Hardcover)
I've studied NYC, NJ & Philly OC for over 20 years now. I've read 100's of books on this subject including the one by Anthony Bruno about Kuklinski about 10 years ago. Some by cops, some by feds, some by rats, some by reporters. Nowhere have I ever read, even hinted at, the more outragous claims made by Richard (Iceman) Kuklinski. A couple of the more unbelievable.

Paul (Big Paul) Castellano Shooting. HE WAS NOT THERE. This was planned and executed by "The Fist" a faction of Gambino's dissatisfied for a number of reasons with his leadership. The Fist was made up of John Gotti, Angelo Ruggerio, Frankie DeCicco, Robert (DeBee) Debenardo, and Sammy Bull Gravano. Others in the family (Gene Gotti, Joe Gallo, et al) knew of the plot, but it emulated and was executed primarily by the Bergin crew headed by Gotti. Below are the shooters. NONE was paid cash to participate. The payment was power within the Gambino's hierarchy after Big Paul was dead. There is NO WAY Gravano would have asked or Gotti would have approved of an unknown shooter being brought into the plot as a freelance mercenary.

John Carneglia Primary shooter, target Castellano, in front of Sparks,

Vincent Artuso Primary shooter, target Castellano, in front of Sparks,

Eddie Lino Primary shooter, target Billotti, in front of Sparks,

Salvatore (Fat Sally) Scala, Primary shooter, target Billotti, in front of Sparks,

Dominick (Skinny Dom) Pizzonia, Back-up shooter across E. 46th St. from Sparks,

Anthony (Tony Roach) Rampino, Back-up shooter across E. 46th St. from Sparks,

Angelo (Quack Quack) Ruggerio, Back-up shooter across E. 46th St. from Sparks,

Joe (The German)Watts, Back-up shooter across E. 46th St. from Sparks,

John Gotti In Car at 3rd Ave & E. 46th St. opposite Sparks,

Salvatore (Sammy Bull) Gravano In Car at 3rd Ave & E. 46th St. opposite Sparks,

FrankDeCicco Inside Sparks

The association with and killing of Roy DeMeo. It is possible that Kuklinski knew DeMeo. Although no cooperating witnesses ever mentioned him. It is even possible that DeMeo kept "The Pollock" around as a secert weapon - that I'd believe. But there is NO WAY, NONE, ZERO that DeMeo would have introduced him to his supervisor in the Gambino family, Anthony Gaggi. And Gaggi wouldn't introduce himself. BTW Gaggi's dog was not a German shepard but a pure breed male boxer. Lastly, Roy was killed by fellow crew associates Joseph Testa and Anthony Senter as well as Nino after orders came from Paul to "take care of him Nino". Also, Frankie DeCicco was instructed to assist Nino if he needed shooters or back-up. Again, no one was paid. Senter and Testa were promoted to made status. Dracula was killed around the same time.

The killing of Jimmy Hoffa. C'mon not even the author could possibly believe this. It has been verified beyond dispute that Tony Pro was in NJ at the time of the killing. I'm not going to waste time reputing this BS any more.

Carmine (Lilo, Cigar) Galante Shooting. There was a lone dinner in Joe & Mary's that hot July afternoon according to Giuseppe Turano's son. However, he hit the deck when Louis Giongetti, Dominick Trinchera and Sonny Black walked in armed to teeth. Turncoat Galante bodyguard Cesare Bonventre pulled his pistol and shot loyal Galante bodyguard Leonard Coppola six times before he hit the floor. Clueless and 3rd bodyguard Baldassare (Baldo) Amato pulled his gun and dove behind a table. Sonny shotgunned Galante while Big Trin chased down Turano's son and shot him in back while he searched for a gun stored in the employee's bathroom. Anthony "Bruno" Indelicato waited in the street by the car with a M1 carbine. Louis Giongetti walked over to Coppola and shot the top of his skull of for good measure. Cesare quickly informed his cousin Baldo not to shoot and leave with him, which he did. This killing was ordered by boss Phillip Rastelli in conjuction with the Gambino's over control of the heroin market and revenge for Gambino killings. Ironically, it was the Zips headed by Salvatore Catalano & Joe Ganci who eventually took over Galante's babina business. Massino took control of the family. This account has been verified by several different sources.

Cave with Rats. Logistics would be unlikely or impossible. Try to find a remote cave 75 miles from home at night whilst guarding a live hostage. Try setting up automatic camera's w/ lights to capture the rats eating the victim. I will admit it's a sick mind to envision such things, but I doubt he actually did it. Camera, light and motion technology plus logistics of transport makes it an unlikely tale to scare women and small children.

Flare to balls. I read almost same account about Legs Diamond and a farmer in a book called Mob Stories about seven years ago. A little less graphic but, punch line was same. Probably Rich read this too. Obviously author didn't read it or don't know how to vet a source.

All in all a good book and worth the money for true crime buffs. I'm glad I bought it, but the killings Kuklinski actually did would have been enough. The other mob stuff is his own fantasy.

lucas and toole were in fact apart of a satanic cult in mexico called the Hand of Death. this cult still exists, today they are known as The Hand with Eyes. it's not over the top and its not BS. the reality is there are 1,000's of daily murders carried out in the most grisly fashion by this cult for the purpose of organ trafficking, and done in the name of Satan.