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Posted By: Scorsese

alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/27/12 06:13 PM

This guys still looking at the sex trafficking and illegals smuggling case



Gambino capo gets 10 years for racketeering and extortion
'They can't take my honor,' he says as marshals haul him away

BY ROBERT GEARTY / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

PUBLISHED: THURSDAY, JULY 26, 2012, 11:00 PM
UPDATED: THURSDAY, JULY 26, 2012, 11:00 PM
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Alphonse Trucchio
A rising star in the Gambino mob was sentenced Thursday to 10 years in prison for racketeering and other crimes, including extorting two strip clubs in Queens.

“They can’t take my honor,” said capo Alphonse Trucchio, 35, as marshals escorted him from the courtroom after sentencing in Manhattan Federal Court.

Trucchio pleaded guilty in February to racketeering, drug trafficking, extortion, assault, loansharking and gambling in exchange for a sentence of 8 to 10 years in prison.

He was one of more than 100 mobsters busted in four states in January 2011 in the biggest Mafia takedown in FBI history.

In November, he was charged with 19 others with participating in a scheme to smuggle women from Russia and neighboring countries into the U.S. on fraudulent visas to work at strip clubs controlled by the Gambino crime family.

rgearty@nydailynews.com



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ga...9#ixzz21qd2EjGx
Posted By: Ted

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/27/12 11:33 PM

From the NY Post:


he future will have to wait.

A second-generation gangster described as "the future of the Gambino family" was sentenced yesterday to 10-plus years in the slammer.

Alphonse Trucchio — son of imprisoned-for-life mobster Ronald "Ronnie One-Arm" Trucchio — was also ordered to cough up $100,000 in ill-gotten gains, including two Rolex watches and nearly $8,000 in cash seized when he was busted last year.

The feds say Trucchio, 35, is the youngest mobster ever promoted to capo by any of the Mafia’s five families and led a “flourishing” crew that made large amounts of money from extortion, drug dealing and illegal gambling.

Trucchio, who appeared bored during his hourlong sentencing, declined an opportunity to speak, but on his way back to lockup told about two dozen supporters, "They can’t take my honor."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mob_star_put_away_IDxOhFQofo8ctabK07cqfL
Posted By: carmela

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/27/12 11:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Ted




The feds say Trucchio, 35, is the youngest mobster ever promoted to capo by any of the Mafia’s five families and led a “flourishing” crew that made large amounts of money from extortion, drug dealing and illegal gambling.




If Frank Cali' wasn't 35, he was damn well near close to it.
Posted By: Nick_the_Greek

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 12:18 AM

Danny Cutaia's nephew (I think?) was in his 30's also running a crew, wtf was his name??

Edit: It was Johnny, or Jimmy goggles (prob not a real nickname, but one of those fake 'insulting' names the press/fbi gave them) he was a war buff, and his crew allegedly gave him a Luger for his b-day; dad was an associate, also somehow related to the bald Gambino capo who dealt with the Russians...I always remember the story details, but never the name! Damn it!

Edit 2: John Baudanza. 41 now, so most likely was in his mid-30s when he ran the crew.
Posted By: carmela

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 01:40 AM

John Baudanza...he's getting out in less than 30 months.
Posted By: Ted

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 01:58 AM

I thought John Baudanza was a soldier.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 07:48 AM

I think what the feds are trying to say is that Trucchio (who was listed as an acting capo, or an official capo already around 2005) was around 28 at the time.
I don´t know exactly Trucchio´s date of birth but he might have been slightly younger than anybody who has ever been elevated to a captains rank in the past, including Cesare Bonventre in 1979. But this presupposes that he was an official captain, and not on acting basis only.


Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 09:03 AM

Originally Posted By: Ted
I thought John Baudanza was a soldier.


You´re right Ted. John Baudanza is a soldier with the Lucchese family. Joseph Baudanza however, was/is (?) a captain with the Colombos. They are related somehow but I´m not sure how.
Posted By: carmela

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 10:24 AM

To be clear, I wasn't listing John Baudanza as a capo. I was just posting an "aside" to what Nick the Greek posted as "edit #2".
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 10:35 AM

He will be back. I bet he can do 10 years standing on his head smile
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 12:12 PM

Who made this guy? Marino?, D'amico, John Gambino?
Posted By: yigido

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 01:23 PM

wasnt joe bonanno boss at a younger age?
Posted By: m2w

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 01:46 PM

is not alphonse trucchio an acting captain? the official should be still ronnie trucchio
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 01:50 PM

Originally Posted By: m2w
is not alphonse trucchio an acting captain? the official should be still ronnie trucchio


Alphonse was indicted as a captain so it appears he's officially taken over his father's crew.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 01:52 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: m2w
is not alphonse trucchio an acting captain? the official should be still ronnie trucchio


Alphonse was indicted as a captain so it appears he's officially taken over his father's crew.


That does make sense because the father was sentenced to life in prison. And I think it was in 2005, right?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 01:58 PM

Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles

That does make sense because the father was sentenced to life in prison. And I think it was in 2005, right?


He received his life sentence in 2007, I think.
Posted By: m2w

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 02:00 PM

so ronnie trucchio was demoted? i doubt it anyway i bet the oprders come still from him
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 02:01 PM

Originally Posted By: yigido
wasnt joe bonanno boss at a younger age?


You´re right. Bonanno was 26 when he became boss. The feds seems to have overlooked that...

But I´m positive there were other guys elevated to a captain´s rank who was younger than Trucchio throughout Cosa Nostra history. It´s just that we don´t know about them. One guy comes to mind right now...Gaspar DiGregorio (born in 1905) seems to have become a captain when Bonanno took over. So perhaps we should take the feds statement regarding Trucchio with a grain of salt.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 02:04 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles

That does make sense because the father was sentenced to life in prison. And I think it was in 2005, right?


He received his life sentence in 2007, I think.


Right. That would have made Trucchio 31 when he took over. So with that in mind, Trucchio was not the youngest capo ever.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 02:06 PM

Originally Posted By: m2w
so ronnie trucchio was demoted? i doubt it anyway i bet the oprders come still from him


Being imprisoned for life, I don´t think the Gambino bosses finds him valuable or useful. But then again, who knows?
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 02:14 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
Who made this guy? Marino?, D'amico, John Gambino?


I think he was made in 2001. If that´s the case, I believe Peter Gotti (the acting boss at the time) made him.
Posted By: Ted

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 03:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas
He will be back. I bet he can do 10 years standing on his head smile

He can get out early if he behaves himself. wink
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 03:09 PM

Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
Who made this guy? Marino?, D'amico, John Gambino?


I think he was made in 2001. If that´s the case, I believe Peter Gotti (the acting boss at the time) made him.


Thanks HK!
Posted By: yigido

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 03:49 PM

Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: yigido
wasnt joe bonanno boss at a younger age?


You´re right. Bonanno was 26 when he became boss. The feds seems to have overlooked that...

But I´m positive there were other guys elevated to a captain´s rank who was younger than Trucchio throughout Cosa Nostra history. It´s just that we don´t know about them. One guy comes to mind right now...Gaspar DiGregorio (born in 1905) seems to have become a captain when Bonanno took over. So perhaps we should take the feds statement regarding Trucchio with a grain of salt.
im not sure but i found this also in wikipedia about cesare bonventre: "At 28, Bonventre became the youngest capo in Bonanno family history." he died at the age of 33 and he was a capo so it seems legit.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By: yigido
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: yigido
wasnt joe bonanno boss at a younger age?


You´re right. Bonanno was 26 when he became boss. The feds seems to have overlooked that...

But I´m positive there were other guys elevated to a captain´s rank who was younger than Trucchio throughout Cosa Nostra history. It´s just that we don´t know about them. One guy comes to mind right now...Gaspar DiGregorio (born in 1905) seems to have become a captain when Bonanno took over. So perhaps we should take the feds statement regarding Trucchio with a grain of salt.
im not sure but i found this also in wikipedia about cesare bonventre: "At 28, Bonventre became the youngest capo in Bonanno family history." he died at the age of 33 and he was a capo so it seems legit.


Yes Bonventre was a capo. And he was 28 when he became one. So the article (in regards to that) is legit. But much of the other claims seems to be wrong. For example, I´m pretty sure DiGregorio became a capo in 1931, when he was 26. So the writer´s claim of "Bonventre became the youngest capo in Bonanno family history" certainly seems not to be legit.
Posted By: pmac

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 07:17 PM

wasnt chichen man testa's kid sal made at 21 and when his pops died scarfo made him capo at 23 or so jr gotti was a capo at 26, i read petter gotti made him at a young age guessing 2000. this kid was a huge earner like his dad and they controled queens. thats why he had some pueto ricans in his crew.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 07:39 PM

Originally Posted By: pmac
wasnt chichen man testa's kid sal made at 21 and when his pops died scarfo made him capo at 23 or so jr gotti was a capo at 26, i read petter gotti made him at a young age guessing 2000. this kid was a huge earner like his dad and they controled queens. thats why he had some pueto ricans in his crew.


I don´t know how old Testa´s kid was when he was made capo. But that could be easily checked out. And you are absolutely correct about Junior Gotti. He was made in 1988 (when he was 24) and made a captain in 1990 (when he was 26).
Posted By: Chucky

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 08:13 PM

Testa was made when he was 24 and was bumped to skipper when he was 26. I don't think you can compare it to NY...guys were dropping like flies in Philly during the early 80s.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 07/28/12 08:36 PM

Was he knowledgeable enough to hold that position???? You can compare to a legitimate company where an idiot son takes over and doesn't know how to run it. Reminds me of some of my stupid rich friends
Posted By: streetbossliborio

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 03:04 AM

"they cant take my honour" when i read about this last year i thought how corny and attention seeking. Clearly a young guy trying to gain attention by saying cliched mafia crap about honour. This brought loadsa media attention. twat.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: streetbossliborio
"they cant take my honour" when i read about this last year i thought how corny and attention seeking. Clearly a young guy trying to gain attention by saying cliched mafia crap about honour. This brought loadsa media attention. twat.


Alphonse Trucchio is no pretender and his crew, which the feds said has been the most active in the Gambino family in recent years, is the real deal. You look at the cases over the past decade they've been involved in everything from huge gambling and drug operations in Queens to infiltrating the valet parking business in Florida to working with the Russians to bring girls into the county to work in mob strip clubs in NYC.
Posted By: streetbossliborio

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 03:38 AM

i never said he was a pretender clearly hes a very serious guy being a capo in the gambino family at such a young age. Just found that line very annoying and unnecessary. also lets not rate the crew on the indictments alone - this would make them effective at being caught and prosecuted. The most active and effective should be the quietest crews like some crews in the genovese family.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 04:10 AM

Originally Posted By: streetbossliborio
i never said he was a pretender clearly hes a very serious guy being a capo in the gambino family at such a young age. Just found that line very annoying and unnecessary. also lets not rate the crew on the indictments alone - this would make them effective at being caught and prosecuted. The most active and effective should be the quietest crews like some crews in the genovese family.


Indictments are the best way to gauge the activity level of a crew or family. Even the smartest and most careful mobsters get busted nowadays. As well run as they are, even Genovese family has certainly had their share of indictments. They're strength has come more in how they weather the indictments than in avoiding them.
Posted By: streetbossliborio

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 04:15 AM

i agree to an extent but crews shouldn't be totally transparent to thee feds. i wonder what the real power the genoveses actually have in the nyc underworld and beyond at the moment. i wonder if criminals and locals alike shudder when the threat of the crime family is brought up in conversation. are there any very recent murders that have been accredited to the family?
Posted By: SinatraClub

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 04:27 AM

Seems like you're one of those "if it ain't bodies dropping like flies they're no longer a factor" type of guys.
Posted By: streetbossliborio

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 04:34 AM

no not at all just having a wonder. i live in the uk so i would like to know what weight they currently carry when their name is mentioned in the u.s. do people still fear death when they cross them and do they shudder? (not sure whether your comment was a reply to me as it touches on one point out of a whole paragraph but this is a reply just in case lol) smile
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 04:39 AM

Originally Posted By: streetbossliborio
i agree to an extent but crews shouldn't be totally transparent to thee feds. i wonder what the real power the genoveses actually have in the nyc underworld and beyond at the moment. i wonder if criminals and locals alike shudder when the threat of the crime family is brought up in conversation. are there any very recent murders that have been accredited to the family?


Depends on what you mean by "very recent." Over the past decade you have Genovese associate Dino Bogino wounded in 2002, Genovese captain Al Bruno killed in 203, Genovese acting captain Larry Ricci killed in 2005, Genovese soldier Rudy Izzi killed in 2007, and Genovese associate Louis Antonelli killed in 2008.

There was also Nick Cirillo who disappeared in 2004. The Bonannos took him out but apparently got the OK from Dom Cirillo.

And in 2008 Genovese associate William Marcucci was killed but that was a personal thing involving his son and not really mob-related.
Posted By: streetbossliborio

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 04:45 AM

thanks for the info ivyleague very interesting! also why would the elder cirillo give the go ahead to another family to whack his son? surely thats gotta look weak on the family? not to mention its his sonnn!!!
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 05:52 AM

Originally Posted By: streetbossliborio
thanks for the info ivyleague very interesting! also why would the elder cirillo give the go ahead to another family to whack his son? surely thats gotta look weak on the family? not to mention its his sonnn!!!


Dom Cirillo is old school. His son raised hands to made guys (in the Bonanno family) and that alone was enough to get killed over. Beyond that, Cirillo had a drug problems for years and it appears his father had enough of him. From a purely LCN standpoint, he was simply following the rules.
Posted By: streetbossliborio

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 06:19 AM

wow now that is a dedicated mafioso. i hope the younger cirillo wansn't told his father okayed the hit before it happened or was it a straight execution style and leave on the streets job?
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 02:16 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: streetbossliborio
i never said he was a pretender clearly hes a very serious guy being a capo in the gambino family at such a young age. Just found that line very annoying and unnecessary. also lets not rate the crew on the indictments alone - this would make them effective at being caught and prosecuted. The most active and effective should be the quietest crews like some crews in the genovese family.


Indictments are the best way to gauge the activity level of a crew or family. Even the smartest and most careful mobsters get busted nowadays. As well run as they are, even Genovese family has certainly had their share of indictments. They're strength has come more in how they weather the indictments than in avoiding them.


I disagree with this ivy. I can see why you use it as a starting point but it shouldnt be all inclusive. Look at the Gerardo/DeVita crew. Not a indictment in twenty years, and they are far from inactive. Or who knew that the Pernas even exsisted until 2007? Or ninny? What im saying is indictments arent always the best catalyst for showing how active a crew is. Not saying that i have any inside info so dont jump on me, but until an indictment comes all you have is pure rumor and speculation that you dispise. Once again, not trying to start an arguement here, just my point of veiw.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 02:19 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: streetbossliborio
thanks for the info ivyleague very interesting! also why would the elder cirillo give the go ahead to another family to whack his son? surely thats gotta look weak on the family? not to mention its his sonnn!!!


Dom Cirillo is old school. His son raised hands to made guys (in the Bonanno family) and that alone was enough to get killed over. Beyond that, Cirillo had a drug problems for years and it appears his father had enough of him. From a purely LCN standpoint, he was simply following the rules.


I disagree with this, thats not how it went down, but i have no sources i could/or am willing to quote so whatever.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 11:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny
I disagree with this ivy. I can see why you use it as a starting point but it shouldnt be all inclusive. Look at the Gerardo/DeVita crew. Not a indictment in twenty years, and they are far from inactive.


There are exceptions to every rule but, generally speaking, indictments are the best way to measure activity. Especially over the long term. Not that I'm sure the Devita crew is a good example of an exception. It was cited in the 2004 NJ OC report and John "Blue" Defroscia, who I remember reading is in the DeVita crew, has been involved in big gambling busts in 2003 and 2009.

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Or who knew that the Pernas even exsisted until 2007?


The Pernas were very well known long before the 2007 arrests. You can go back to the 1980's with Mike Perna, the Taccettas, and the "Boys from New Jersey" mob case.

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Or ninny?


He was also involved in that 2003 gambling bust that got Defroscia and several others. I've had the suspicion that the Bruschi crew and Dentico crew are the same.

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What im saying is indictments arent always the best catalyst for showing how active a crew is. Not saying that i have any inside info so dont jump on me, but until an indictment comes all you have is pure rumor and speculation that you dispise. Once again, not trying to start an arguement here, just my point of veiw.


Again, not always but usually. Especially as more time goes by. It's why there's a lot of indictments in New York and none in Denver.

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I disagree with this, thats not how it went down, but i have no sources i could/or am willing to quote so whatever.


Well if you're not willing, or can't, explain why you believe that, why even bring it up?

Mob king Dominick Cirillo 'ordered the murder of his gangster son' (on Mothers' Day)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...others-Day.html
Posted By: southend

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/21/13 11:48 PM

looks like hes in ray brook fci with emilio fusco
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 12:46 AM

Larry Dentico is retired. Someone probably runs his crew now or it was absorbed by someone else like Bruschi. As for Trucchio who runs his crew now? Lenny DiMaria is the top Florida guy out for the Gambino family at this point. Vinny Artuso is the other South Fla capo and he's in the slammer for another three years.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 01:10 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Larry Dentico is retired. Someone probably runs his crew now or it was absorbed by someone else like Bruschi. As for Trucchio who runs his crew now? Lenny DiMaria is the top Florida guy out for the Gambino family at this point. Vinny Artuso is the other South Fla capo and he's in the slammer for another three years.


Is Lenny the top FL guy? He's been out what 3 months?
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 01:23 AM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Larry Dentico is retired. Someone probably runs his crew now or it was absorbed by someone else like Bruschi. As for Trucchio who runs his crew now? Lenny DiMaria is the top Florida guy out for the Gambino family at this point. Vinny Artuso is the other South Fla capo and he's in the slammer for another three years.


Is Lenny the top FL guy? He's been out what 3 months?


About five months. I meant hypothetically more than anything else. Since Trucchio and Artuso are doing time he's the top Florida guy out. But Lenny's a good earner, he made a lot of money for the Gambino's.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 03:34 AM

Well i agree with you to a extent but you see my point. And johnny blue is with Tona Borelli. The reason you may be confused, is because he is like the entire states layoff book haha. A lot of guys from different crews are his sub agents.

As for the pernas and the M&Ms, yeah they were picked up in that case, but ralph wasnt. At least i dont think so. Mike P always had more pull than Ralph, but still. Plus there is their dad. I cant think of an indictment hes been in, but i know he has been making book and taking numbers sinces the 50s/60s. That big bust in 07 was his fathers book, and Mikes before that. Most of NJ has heard of the Pernas before either of those cases, and knew they were active. Mostly because they had literally thousands of customers.

Larry and Ninny are two different crews. Palumbo isnt with Ninny either (as ive seen on some charts). And yeah Joe, ive heard the same thing.

As for the thing with QDs son, like i said i disagree. These articles are making it out like "Cold Blooded Mobster Dom Cirillo Has Son Killed". Just like ive said ive heard different.

I guess my general point is that while indictments and press releases are good sources, in fact, the best you can have with out actually knowing a guy, they arent completely infallible. Now im not claiming i get weekly updates from the five families, but still, like a few others i have a little i can offer that wont be found online. I dont present it as fact or claim my sources themselves are infallible. Or will i get offended if some one doesnt agree with me or doesnt believe me. And sometimes they are in direct disagreement with indictments or reports. (eg johnny blue and ninny) Does it make it wrong? No. I understand you are going with the overwhelming evidence on things like the Fat Tony/Chin debacle (completely neutral btw) or Nick Cirillo. Like i said, my opinion may be different, is that the end of the world? I know what the evidence says and i respectfully disagree. Not trying to start a big knock down arguement here, just pointing out my difference in opinion. I think this site could use more rumors and gossip not found in Jerry Capeci. And i see ur point of veiw 100% percent, but whats wrong with both? Sourced vs Non Sourced information or rumors and ppl can decide for themselves. That being said, i enjoy the info you post here and hope to quote my main man Rodney, "Cant we all just get along"? lol
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 03:47 AM

Hey Skinny who's running Larry's crew now that he's presumably retired?
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 03:49 AM

Thanks For Sharing Skinny..I'm not a fan of Jerry Capeci the guy thinks hes gods gift to this world. Someone needs to teach him how to dougie!
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 03:53 AM

Ill pm ya Joe
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 11:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny
Well i agree with you to a extent but you see my point. And johnny blue is with Tona Borelli. The reason you may be confused, is because he is like the entire states layoff book haha. A lot of guys from different crews are his sub agents.


You may very well be right about Defroscia being with Borelli. But this goes to my point about hearsay on the internet. A guy on another forum said he "heard" Johnny Blue was with DeVita. This has happened a number of times where a guy will hear one thing and another will hear something else. Hence, my usually relying on more official/sourced info.

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As for the pernas and the M&Ms, yeah they were picked up in that case, but ralph wasnt. At least i dont think so. Mike P always had more pull than Ralph, but still. Plus there is their dad. I cant think of an indictment hes been in, but i know he has been making book and taking numbers sinces the 50s/60s. That big bust in 07 was his fathers book, and Mikes before that. Most of NJ has heard of the Pernas before either of those cases, and knew they were active. Mostly because they had literally thousands of customers.


No, you're right. Mike was involved in that case but not Ralph.

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Larry and Ninny are two different crews. Palumbo isnt with Ninny either (as ive seen on some charts). And yeah Joe, ive heard the same thing.


Any idea who Palumbo was acting for when he was indicted as an acting captain back in 2009?

Also, where does this information come from that Dentico is retired? It's certainly possible (he's near 87 I think) but as late as 2009 he was said to be on the family's ruling panel.

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As for the thing with QDs son, like i said i disagree. These articles are making it out like "Cold Blooded Mobster Dom Cirillo Has Son Killed". Just like ive said ive heard different.


I don't have a problem with you hearing different. That's fine. I just think you should say what you heard. Not say, "I heard different but can't say anything."
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 11:30 PM

Ivy I know you despise him but not everything EHI says is nonsense. Apart from Tony Salerno he's pretty on point with some stuff. When Dentico was released in 2009 he apparently retired from directing his crew and only served to make adminstrative decisions, hence the article that had him on a ruling panel. But I think he's pretty much done.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 11:33 PM

He was acting for Dentico. To the best of my knowledge. And to be honest i thought he was at first but he was made by T.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 11:34 PM

He being Blue.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 11:35 PM

Shit dbl check that. Tony was acting for larry. Blue was made by t
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 11:52 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Ivy I know you despise him but not everything EHI says is nonsense. Apart from Tony Salerno he's pretty on point with some stuff.


Perhaps not. But he doesn't say much at this point. Because I didn't take his word for it on Fat Tony thing (wisely, if I do say so myself) he's just become an antagonist.

I like Skinny's approach. It's the same as pizzaboy's, as well as sticks from the RD forum. They put forth what they know but don't get bent out of shape, like EHI does, if you don't automatically agree with them.

Originally Posted By: Skinny
Shit dbl check that. Tony was acting for larry. Blue was made by t


Thanks.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 11:55 PM

EHI does have that problem. It's why he's been banned twice. But I will say in matters of the Genovese Family he can be accurate. It's his rantings that make him less believable of course.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/22/13 11:58 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
I like Skinny's approach. It's the same as pizzaboy's, as well as sticks from the RD forum. They put forth what they know but don't get bent out of shape, like EHI does, if you don't automatically agree with them.

Okay Ivy, then here's my opinion tongue grin.

Re Quiet Dom and Nick:

I'm going to post this one time and I'm not going to add to it again in the future. But for what it's worth, the man lived in very close proximity to me for many years. His daughter Ann Marie is very friendly with my wife, and our kids are all friends. And I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that QD hasn't been the same since the disappearance, and neither has the rest of his family.

Just because Vinny denied it to Massino in jail doesn't mean he didn't do it. It's called deniability. His saying that it "came from Dom" on tape could have been wink wink, nudge nudge, or it could just be that he was afraid to admit it to Massino, who was still the official boss at that time. Vinny's tough, but no one wants to die. No sane person, anyway.

In my opinion, as the ONLY person on this board who actually lived in the same neighborhood as both QD and Vinny at that time: Vinny did it on the sneak. And the court of public opinion in the East Bronx shares that opinion for the most part.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 12:17 AM

Bingo. Ask nickyeyes, i told him the same thing yesterday thru a pm. I agree 100%
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
I like Skinny's approach. It's the same as pizzaboy's, as well as sticks from the RD forum. They put forth what they know but don't get bent out of shape, like EHI does, if you don't automatically agree with them.

Okay Ivy, then here's my opinion tongue grin.

Re Quiet Dom and Nick:

I'm going to post this one time and I'm not going to add to it again in the future. But for what it's worth, the man lived in very close proximity to me for many years. His daughter Ann Marie is very friendly with my wife, and our kids are all friends. And I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that QD hasn't been the same since the disappearance, and neither has the rest of his family.

Just because Vinny denied it to Massino in jail doesn't mean he didn't do it. It's called deniability. His saying that it "came from Dom" on tape could have been wink wink, nudge nudge, or it could just be that he was afraid to admit it to Massino, who was still the official boss at that time. Vinny's tough, but no one wants to die. No sane person, anyway.

In my opinion, as the ONLY person on this board who actually lived in the same neighborhood as both QD and Vinny at that time: Vinny did it on the sneak. And the court of public opinion in the East Bronx shares that opinion for the most part.


I guess the reason I'm inclined to think it's very possible Dom did give the OK is, aside from the troubled history with his kid, Vinny killing the son of a major top-level Genovese guy would be taking a huge risk. People talk about him "doing it on the sneak" but, considering his previous run-ins with Nick, everyone would have known who was behind it. To do it without permission is a big spit in the face to Dom and I'm not convinced Vinny would have gotten away with that. One could argue that Vinny would have felt it was in his right, since Nick raised hands to made guys, but I still think he would have had to clear it with Dom.

Edit: I should add this is probably one of those things we'll never know for sure unless a Genovese who's in the know guy flips. Which doesn't exactly happen that often.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 12:26 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
EHI does have that problem. It's why he's been banned twice. But I will say in matters of the Genovese Family he can be accurate. It's his rantings that make him less believable of course.


Maybe so but, when he gets such a big/obvious thing wrong, it's hard to take what else he says at face value. I'm still convinced his opinion on the Fat Tony thing is largely driven by the fact he was from the area. It's all about "representing" his neighborhood, which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 12:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny
Bingo. Ask nickyeyes, i told him the same thing yesterday thru a pm. I agree 100%

Thanks, Skin. But the day I have to ask NickyEyes something about MY OWN neighborhood, is the day I quit posting here tongue lol.

I'm kidding, Nicky. You're a good boy smile.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 12:52 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
I like Skinny's approach. It's the same as pizzaboy's, as well as sticks from the RD forum. They put forth what they know but don't get bent out of shape, like EHI does, if you don't automatically agree with them.

Okay Ivy, then here's my opinion tongue grin.

Re Quiet Dom and Nick:

I'm going to post this one time and I'm not going to add to it again in the future. But for what it's worth, the man lived in very close proximity to me for many years. His daughter Ann Marie is very friendly with my wife, and our kids are all friends. And I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that QD hasn't been the same since the disappearance, and neither has the rest of his family.

Just because Vinny denied it to Massino in jail doesn't mean he didn't do it. It's called deniability. His saying that it "came from Dom" on tape could have been wink wink, nudge nudge, or it could just be that he was afraid to admit it to Massino, who was still the official boss at that time. Vinny's tough, but no one wants to die. No sane person, anyway.

In my opinion, as the ONLY person on this board who actually lived in the same neighborhood as both QD and Vinny at that time: Vinny did it on the sneak. And the court of public opinion in the East Bronx shares that opinion for the most part.


I guess the reason I'm inclined to think it's very possible Dom did give the OK is, aside from the troubled history with his kid, Vinny killing the son of a major top-level Genovese guy would be taking a huge risk. People talk about him "doing it on the sneak" but, considering his previous run-ins with Nick, everyone would have known who was behind it. To do it without permission is a big spit in the face to Dom and I'm not convinced Vinny would have gotten away with that. One could argue that Vinny would have felt it was in his right, since Nick raised hands to made guys, but I still think he would have had to clear it with Dom.

Edit: I should add this is probably one of those things we'll never know for sure unless a Genovese who's in the know guy flips. Which doesn't exactly happen that often.


His kid was wrong for getting into it with Vinnys son. If he was anyones son but doms hed be dead anyways. The exact words i was told was dom was told to "make no enquiries". I have no idea whether its true or not but i believe the man who told me. And it makes sense to me.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:06 AM

It wouldnt suprise me if Vinny did it on the sneak. According to Cicale and other turncoats, along with breaking numerous rules like bringing a gun to a meeting with a made guy, saying he was going to "level the Bronx" which is a reference to Basciano, demanding to get made, saying in public he was one of the only hitters in the borgata, Pizzolo apparently was also mouthing off about hitting Nick Cirillo and thus in a rush to hush him he was ordered whacked out by Basciano.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:07 AM

The Genovese family is so much bigger and powerful than the Bonnanno family so I don't get how they got away with that.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:13 AM

You know I've often wondered that myself. Was Dom in jail at the time of his son's disappearence? The West Side still packs an enormous punch. Was it a situation where Nick is killed then Basciano raises his hands in the air saying "I didn't do it?" or was there backing from other leaders of the Genovese Family who told him to let it go?
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:14 AM

I think some westside guys were backing Vinny for boss too.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:21 AM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
You know I've often wondered that myself. Was Dom in jail at the time of his son's disappearence? The West Side still packs an enormous punch. Was it a situation where Nick is killed then Basciano raises his hands in the air saying "I didn't do it?" or was there backing from other leaders of the Genovese Family who told him to let it go?


I think the latter is more or less the best ways to explain it.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:24 AM

According to Basciano wiretaps,Vinny states that Dom Cirillo personally apologized to him after the altercation between Vinny's son, Cicale, and Cirillo Jr.

Basciano was also cool with Prisco when he was out on the street.There's a surveillance shot of them meeting together thats been posted here before. According to Massino, he was warned by the Westside (think it might have been QD actually) to keep an "eye" on Vinny because he was another John Gotti.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:30 AM

I heard that guy Dom was a bitch anyways. He had to hang with guys like 15-20 yrs younger than him cause no one else took him serious lmao.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:33 AM

I wouldn't say that. QD is one of the top guys in that family.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:43 AM

Dom Cicale.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 01:51 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny
Dom Cicale.


Oh right okay lol wrong Dom
Posted By: pmac

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 05:52 AM

i just thinking the westside bronx guy nigro could get the guy athony a . and a friend to drive 3 hours from springfield mass down to the bronx to kill a union leader in 2003 shows there strength. they got guys in a.c. right thats like how many hours from the bronx, but i still think theres a leader for every bourough or some shit in that family.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 08:57 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
The Genovese family is so much bigger and powerful than the Bonnanno family so I don't get how they got away with that.


Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
You know I've often wondered that myself. Was Dom in jail at the time of his son's disappearence? The West Side still packs an enormous punch. Was it a situation where Nick is killed then Basciano raises his hands in the air saying "I didn't do it?" or was there backing from other leaders of the Genovese Family who told him to let it go?


Resolution of a sitdown, most probably. The kid Cirillo was clearly in the wrong, raising hands to wiseguys.
Posted By: cheech

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/23/13 11:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Skinny
Well i agree with you to a extent but you see my point. And johnny blue is with Tona Borelli. The reason you may be confused, is because he is like the entire states layoff book haha. A lot of guys from different crews are his sub agents.

As for the pernas and the M&Ms, yeah they were picked up in that case, but ralph wasnt. At least i dont think so. Mike P always had more pull than Ralph, but still. Plus there is their dad. I cant think of an indictment hes been in, but i know he has been making book and taking numbers sinces the 50s/60s. That big bust in 07 was his fathers book, and Mikes before that. Most of NJ has heard of the Pernas before either of those cases, and knew they were active. Mostly because they had literally thousands of customers.

Larry and Ninny are two different crews. Palumbo isnt with Ninny either (as ive seen on some charts). And yeah Joe, ive heard the same thing.

As for the thing with QDs son, like i said i disagree. These articles are making it out like "Cold Blooded Mobster Dom Cirillo Has Son Killed". Just like ive said ive heard different.

I guess my general point is that while indictments and press releases are good sources, in fact, the best you can have with out actually knowing a guy, they arent completely infallible. Now im not claiming i get weekly updates from the five families, but still, like a few others i have a little i can offer that wont be found online. I dont present it as fact or claim my sources themselves are infallible. Or will i get offended if some one doesnt agree with me or doesnt believe me. And sometimes they are in direct disagreement with indictments or reports. (eg johnny blue and ninny) Does it make it wrong? No. I understand you are going with the overwhelming evidence on things like the Fat Tony/Chin debacle (completely neutral btw) or Nick Cirillo. Like i said, my opinion may be different, is that the end of the world? I know what the evidence says and i respectfully disagree. Not trying to start a big knock down arguement here, just pointing out my difference in opinion. I think this site could use more rumors and gossip not found in Jerry Capeci. And i see ur point of veiw 100% percent, but whats wrong with both? Sourced vs Non Sourced information or rumors and ppl can decide for themselves. That being said, i enjoy the info you post here and hope to quote my main man Rodney, "Cant we all just get along"? lol




great post, i wholeheartedly agree
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/24/13 08:07 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Skinny
Bingo. Ask nickyeyes, i told him the same thing yesterday thru a pm. I agree 100%

Thanks, Skin. But the day I have to ask NickyEyes something about MY OWN neighborhood, is the day I quit posting here tongue lol.

I'm kidding, Nicky. You're a good boy smile.


Pizzaboy don't feed those Stray Iguana's down in South Florida man they bug me out lol lol
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/24/13 08:10 AM

Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
The Genovese family is so much bigger and powerful than the Bonnanno family so I don't get how they got away with that.


Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
You know I've often wondered that myself. Was Dom in jail at the time of his son's disappearence? The West Side still packs an enormous punch. Was it a situation where Nick is killed then Basciano raises his hands in the air saying "I didn't do it?" or was there backing from other leaders of the Genovese Family who told him to let it go?


Resolution of a sitdown, most probably. The kid Cirillo was clearly in the wrong, raising hands to wiseguys.


THis has been brought up before what did he put his hands on baladmenti for I remember reading an article and that Dom didn't give a shit because his kid was a deadbeat junkie and a member of the Addams Family back in the 1990's (well he worked on the set )
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/24/13 09:17 AM

Originally Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
The Genovese family is so much bigger and powerful than the Bonnanno family so I don't get how they got away with that.


Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
You know I've often wondered that myself. Was Dom in jail at the time of his son's disappearence? The West Side still packs an enormous punch. Was it a situation where Nick is killed then Basciano raises his hands in the air saying "I didn't do it?" or was there backing from other leaders of the Genovese Family who told him to let it go?


Resolution of a sitdown, most probably. The kid Cirillo was clearly in the wrong, raising hands to wiseguys.


THis has been brought up before what did he put his hands on baladmenti for I remember reading an article and that Dom didn't give a shit because his kid was a deadbeat junkie and a member of the Addams Family back in the 1990's (well he worked on the set )


"Ever since his troubled son, Nicholas, vanished on Mother's Day 2004, NYPD detectives and the feds have described Cirillo as less than helpful. Nicholas Cirillo, then 41, reportedly got into a physical confrontation with the son of Bonanno crime boss Vincent (Vinny Gorgeous) Basciano and capo Dominick Cicale in the Bronx about two weeks before he went missing. "The kid went up against a made man [Cicale] and a soon-to-be made man [Vincent Basciano Jr.], and we think the [father] cut him loose, and said, 'Do what you gotta do,' " said one investigator. According to Mafia rules, Nicholas Cirillo's penalty for assaulting a made man of the mob would be death"

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/quiet-dom-mum-missing-son-article-1.581140#ixzz2IskOYyIa

"The FBI is again pursuing the 2004 disappearance of Genovese boss Dominick Cirillo's son, Nicholas, after ex-Bonanno boss Joseph Massino testified that Cirillo ordered his drug-addicted son killed...on Mother's Day, of all days! One source said Nicholas was high on crack during a fight just before his disappearance: "There was concern the kid [Nicholas] was out of control and he was going to cause problems for the [Genovese] family."

http://gothamist.com/2011/04/23/mob_boss_ordered_son_whacked_on_mot.php

//Keep in mind that these are just articles and may not reflect the truth. But what else do we got at this point?




Description: Dom Cirillo
Attached picture alg.dominick.cirillo.jpg
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/24/13 01:40 PM

How recent is that photo of Dom?
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/24/13 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
How recent is that photo of Dom?


It´s not that recent actually. It´s from 1999.
Posted By: cheech

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/24/13 04:33 PM

dom not helping the police doesnt confirm he ok'd the hit IMO...hes old school, probably spit at the police lol
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/25/13 01:53 AM

Does anyone have a photo of his son Nick?
Posted By: Camarel

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/25/13 01:59 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Does anyone have a photo of his son Nick?


Seconded, i've never seen a pic of him either.
Posted By: gamms

Re: alphonse trucchio given ten years - 01/25/13 02:17 AM

i dont like al,but mike is a great kid.he has a great family,and it is a shame he will miss his daughters growing up. really nice kid,really breaks me up about him being down for so long.
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