Patriarca

Whats the new administration in providence and boston since all these indictments in both sides of the family recently ?

It's not known yet.

Not even like who is goim to be taking place of anthony dinunzio, lato, achille, limone etc whos the guys controlling the administration ?

There is a very short list of guys left on the street. From that list you could probably take a guess as to where they all fit and you would be close. This puzzle only has about 10 pieces, not 100's

i know a friends father who is connected and is a member of an old social club in north end anyway a old connected guy tld me when its time for a sit down now a days its like a group vote and no one reallly got an idea who ok's it not if its old vinny ferrara or biago diacomo and that regime or younger influential guys like spucky spagnola and quintina or even a old timer in prov like vito deluca who they think is retired but not ???

he didint mention those names im just guessing since the answer he always give me its like a little obvious but never inside shit since he is a player and conversations go no where lmaol cause he knows im very interested but hope you guys have better ideas or common knowledge

A few things for you
1. Ferrara is allegedly retired
2. Biaggio is officially retired
3. Spucky "Spagnola"(it's actually Spagnolo) is definitely not "younger" and neither is Pryce.
4. I have never heard of Vito Deluca. Do you mean Bobby Deluca?

Your right allegelly ; both ferrara and biago name came up in wiretaps sonce their release as well as the business and other they have with their sons and other old timers like lamattina etc my point is there someone who trying to keep their name quite and I agree just want to know who

They trust you enough to tell you these things ?

Those guys up there are corny

Lets shake down some old run down strip clubs and do a decade in prison for it

That's New England LCN in a nutshell.

I mean they dont tell what I already know my guy just give me clues to whar I want to know

Their like any other family they just dont extort strip clubs they get down to me they got sloppy like everyone else and with all these rats to keep the feds in the right direction its a recipe for disaster.....

I hope they never get caught if its up to me but hey what you gonna do huh?

Mark Rosseti just got convicted for the drug burglary. Id like to know more about his drug ring. Its seems he was working with some dominicans and was buying the heroin from new york. Also he had to pay the genovese family a tax for doing business in ny.

Theres not been that many mobsters recently in new york that have been caught up in any heroin arrests. Whats the drug trade situation like in boston , what groups and gangs are involved out there?

Drug trade is wide open. Honestly after Rosetti there aren't too many straight up killers around, Billy Angelesco is a guy to watch but the mob isn't what it once was.

where did u see he was paying the genovese a street tax?

Hes right the drug trade is an open book with everyone dabbling in every drug but as far as ” the office ” goes they have amore than you think theres, greg costa ruthless micheal prochillio and his pops was warring heavy against the renegade faction and a few more guys dont want to mention but they got them not,like the heyday of,old man patriaca

I'm curious about that too.

^^^ that doesnt make any sense to me. maybe if they were dealing the drugs in new york, but it doesnt seem like thats the case. furthermore, depending on who they bought the drugs from why would the mob get a tax if it was bought from some street gang organization as the mob hardly dictates to them what gets sold and to whom.

Im pretty sure i read somewhere when he was initially arrested and outed as an informant that the genovese family was taxing him or had some involvement with him. To be honest it was a while back so i don't remember specifically where i read it but it seemed to be something that popped out to me thats why i put it down. I'm thinking possibly that it might have been rosettes dominican contacts that supplied him with heroin.

I also vaguely remember some sort of connection but don't recall the specifics. Which I was hoping for additional details.

i remember a connection of some sort as well, im going to look up on my site to see if i got anything there.

Update: I searched the entire archive of articles and couldnt find any mention of rossetti and the genovese family.

I found this on your site, but I'm pretty sure i read something specifically retaining to the genovese families involvement.

AG: Suspect led crime ring’s heroin supply
The man who allegedly ran the heroin supply for what the attorney general calls the Rossetti Criminal Organization was held without bail after being arraigned yesterday in Suffolk Superior Court.
Prosecutors from Attorney General Martha Coakley’s office said Jose Mercado, who has several aliases, was arrested Thursday night for breaking and entering with the intent to commit a felony, and conspiracy to commit breaking and entering.
Last year Coakley announced the arrest of Mark Rossetti and others accused of running a criminal enterprise with links to New York organized crime families. Rossetti faces charges that include trafficking heroin, attempted extortion and breaking and entering.
Mercado, who allegedly was responsible for the heroin supply for the organization, was indicted after troopers from the State Police Special Service Section intercepted telephone calls between Mercado, Rossetti and others planning a March 2010 break-in at the Hyde Park home of Mercado’s cousin, authorities said.
Mercado allegedly told his associates that his cousin was storing vast amounts of heroin, and concocted a scheme to break in to the family’s home, hold them hostage and steal the supply. According to prosecutors, he told his accomplices that they could hit his cousin, but instructed them against “really hurting her, because, after all, she was family,” prosecutors said.
Mercado’s court-appointed lawyer, Lorenzo Perez, yesterday declined to comment on the charges, but said there is a “question of identity” in this case.
When arrested, the suspect had a Pennsylvania driver’s license with an alias and denied being Mercado, prosecutors said.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_0514ag_suspect_led_crime_rings_heroin_supply/

all the dominicans in washington heights send the herion up to there cousins in lawrence mass the second most populated dominicN PLACE IN THE US AND THEY DROP A COUPLE KILO'S IN EVERY TOWN ON THE WAY UP. I THINK ROSEETI WAS TAXING ANY ONE SELLING DOPE IN EAST BOSTON. AND I THINK HE WAS CLOSE TO THE SPRINGFIELD GENOVESE CREW and knows a couple from the feds, probaly had scams with them over the decades.

gotcha

Good stuff fellas and thanks does any one have good info on joseph j.r. Russo from east boston

Have the Dominicans ever attempted to push them out and take over? Or does Mafia still have them outnumbered?

I think rosetti was the only mafia guy involved with the heroin trade so i don't think there is anything left to push out.
Rosetti seems like small fish compared to some of the dominicans that have been operating in boston.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2...-from-jail-Feds
http://dominicanwatchdog.org/page-Dominicans_among_11_arrested_in_the_US_for_heroin_trafficking

"Dominican DTOs operating in New England work closely with Colombian DTOs and serve as major transporters of cocaine, heroin, and marijuana. They are also engaged in wholesale and retail drug distribution and money laundering within the region. Some New England-based Dominican traffickers travel to New York City to obtain drug supplies from Colombian DTOs; conversely, some Colombian distributors from New York travel to New England to supply illicit drugs to Dominican traffickers. Additionally, law enforcement reporting reveals that some Dominican traffickers may be involved in drug smuggling networks operating between Canada and New England. Dominican DTOs operate from the primary drug distribution hubs in the region--Lowell/Lawrence and Hartford/Springfield."

The dominicans is as bad as the mexicans and the columbians they got the pipeline all over....the italians os not supposed to deal in drugs anyway so they ties is not going be that strong of any as you see in rossetti scenerio ....the dominicans base income os drugs along with insurance scams forgery and human trafficking but not as strong or politically connected like the mob just the revenue in drugs is so much that it counters with the quantity of drugs trafficking. To me the mexicans dominicans are big in drugs and cartels but thats it now the mob has all aspect to munipulate ..the law politics gambling casino the list goes on its just the mob gets tarnished by the rats and is more of a focus due to their impact in america and the world

so the feds wouldnt put rosetti in witsec when he gets sentence in state court he getting with his record 15yrs hard time and he got more cases the fbi does want to go nere this guys its whitey in 2010 licence to kill this guy is a bad mofo with a huge nuts crew he didnt give up the bodies so i guess the boston mob will go on. bobby deluca was smart to flip cause all he has to tell on is his dealings with whitey. old italians love the dope im sure mark was coping buddles for cheap for all his old junkie friends and domincans got the fire. he's going right to p.c. when he goes to mci walpole. the feds really screwed him.

Who exactly did he give up? I've seen pics of him and the dominican in the courtroom and they seem to be on good terms speaking smiling with each other so it might not be as big a deal that he was an informant. i forgot he was a heroin addict, ill give him credit though guy stuck with the dope game, violence and can hang with the younger more ruthless generation of gangsters like the dominicans. A lot of capos seem to keep themselves out of those situations especially being so hands on with drug dealing like that.

for all we know the feds will put mark on the stand and thus not charge him on any federal stuff...its still too early to tell what their ultimate plans are IMO

deluca was also set to testify against a bunch of the admin of the family as evidenced by the wiretap transcripts that were released by the feds but they all cut plea deals

+1

I don't follow modern day Boston all that closely, but once the Feds have a witness they own him. And if you think they're done with him, you're crazy. Of course he could tell the Feds to fuck off, but at that point they'll just charge him with anything they want.

good point! we have to wait until court to see what they are really planning, and even then it can change real quick if something else comes to light.

Where did you jear deluca was going to testify against the administration and what makes you think hes going to rat on whitey I meandont get me wrong there was a lot of indictments since tbey say he skippes town but why do 12 then rat when u get bounced all the way up but the again he was on salemme side

when rosetti gets sentenced in mass state court no federal judge can give him a deal only a governer pardon, look it up lawyers.state police and fbi hate eatch other in this state its well docu.i think rosetti regrets the deal he made, his whole family lives in a 1 mile block. he is frankie five angels, the guy been locked up up over 2 yrs there would have a bunch of indicments if he was tslking never mind howie carr writting about tax payers money down the river on the fbi expence like whitey no way. mitt and obamma both from boston its fucked up.

see they gave rossetti 7 to 9 and he got more state cases coming up if he's smart and i think he is he'll plead out to all his state cases concurrently maybe 10 to 12 the feds arnt coming to his rescue he was a greg scarpa around boston they want to tuck him away in some prison out of state cause every white guy in the joint wants to stick him his lawyer asked the judge to send him directly to a p.c. prison, he cant give up frank salemmi he roled already. if he knew where any of the gardner art museum shit was he might of had a deal, they dug up some guys yard in ct found nuttin people think whitey might have told them.its a mess up here. the philly fam gotta have one c.i. seems every family does.

if you read the indictments from the big mob roundup in new england it was deluca who was wearing the wire against the guys on the street, when it was revealed that he had been whisked away into wpp it was reported he was going to testify against bulger, apparently when deluca went away for that long stretch it was due to some evidence from bulger so this might be some kind of payback

heres some articles and videos i suggest you read/view:

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/11/new-england-capo-robert-bobby-deluca.html

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/10/rumors-circulate-over-dissapearance-of.html

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/03/mystery-mobster-cooperated-and-wore.html

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/03/more-details-revealed-on-secret-fbi.html

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/10/fall-of-rhode-island-mob-and-new-boss.html

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/04/feds-reveal-mob-associate-is-close-to.html

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/05/new-england-mafia-shell-of-former-self.html

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/04/mob-case-heading-for-may-trial.html

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/11/court-filing-reveals-sheer-volume-of.html

You're witnessing the end of made guys working together. The guys still around are far better off working with independent guys off the radar. Boston is a mess-two Italians can't have dinner without an indictment. Nobody wants the reins-it's a guarantee to get jammed up.

I agree sittite. I mean how many times now do you hear guys turning down the chance to be made and stay as associates instead. That would of never happened back in the day guys would do anything to be made.

i never said he wasnt just want to make sure and i read all those links before and thank you for good info but like i said its seems but not sure ..... yes his initials are the informers initials ,yes hes not name in one indictments , yes only a high ranking guy like deluca can know all that but..... why would he do twelve get bumbed than rat the way he did i dont get it ....its never mentioned but his uncle vito deluca is a made guy in sicily n in prov know he going nuts right now ..., im just saying and besides if he does rat right the good thing is he hasnt been out that long to know to much like rossetti did and mentioning that rat fuck no wonder his cousin is doing 44 plus and a bunch of others boston area guys doing big numbers motherfuckr been ratting during every regime damn near

I remember when it came out he turned I thought the same thing, and one logical conclusion is that after he came out the feds approached him with some evidence (they probably obtained from mark rossetti) and threatened to send bobby back to jail for a very long time (who knows maybe on some old murder charge) and then he agreed to cooperate. Hopefully Whitey Bulger lives and is brought to trial and DeLuca is put on the stand and it can clear up some stuff.

how about when the trial comes and its not bobby thats on the stand and the providence kids trial is coming i believe THATS what im waiting thats whats going to make or break this rumor/statement.

I do believe Dapper is correct... The feds want Bobby's help w Whitey. I'm sure w Mark being CI they have lots on old Bobby D.

Thanks, its just an educated guess I have come to since this is the course the feds are most likely to take in these type of cases. But we will have to wait and see (I hate waiting).

i'll go out on a lamb but patriarca jr. is the only once official boss in the 80tys alive in well. he was groomed like jurnior gotti. the judge did say he coulndt lead a browny scout. but just think of who he met.this guy got books.he'll died with them. only other maybe tommy gambino carlo's son.

Jr's "authority" was challenged from the get go...I wouldn't really classify him as an 80's boss. It would be pretty difficult to be a boss 30 yrs ago of a major family and be alive and well now.

Joe, why all the questions? Do you know anyone 'on the street?' What do they say (if you know anyone)?

btw, We should know each other from the old days.

oops, I thought you were my old pal J.R. from the old days. Then I saw you asked about Joe JR R. Sorry.

welcome to the boards! good to see somebody from the new england area

thanks.

lets just say i was brn and raised near the marconi club way before rat fuck flemmi was ever going there and my uncle and grandfather been a member of the soccer socail club in north end since forever

asnd partriaca jr was over powered by favorite mobster who i mentioned jr russo capo that killed rat fuck barbosa and made jr cry and promised to wack him if he didnt step down thats when bianco became boss russo congliere and so forth russo also worked for the varios in the 50 and sent to new york with bianco for the colombo wars lol my man russo was a pure gangster

I don't think patriarca jr, had his old man's saavy and flair. I remember growing up in New England and how well he ran things in comparison to what happened. Angiullo wasn't a great underboss, but was a hell of a earner...

i think when ray sr. died 84 the commission all five bosses when big paul was still alive+ fat tony and the rest made him boss in 84. didnt seem like there was trouble to 87 when all the old bosses got life and gotti was starting to screw up all the families. i never believed he cried were did that romour start, i believe there was a meeting to step down probaly happend after they found out the induction was recored,but i go with nervous not crying thats somones b.s. or jeolous. i know he's not active he still goes to all the funerals of the old guys, he didnt pull a jurnior gotti and go on 60min, just did his time and walked away quietly.he will go down as the don that couldnt lead a brownie scout. but he must be mega rich.

Look up johnnu castagna or sonny castagna and u see he was at the meeting between jr russo on junior and couple others and see how he was crying after he was told step down or get wacked cause we got the ok from the commision its crazy but true.

Yea thats his name johnny sonny castagna and his son jacky john

it goes back to gossip father and son both from hartford neither were made guys why would they be at a meeting with a boss and the guys from boston it doesnt make sense, i believe there was a meeting and sammy the bull told the fbi boston guys went to a wedding and gotti said no shooting. so will never know.

To all the people that are talking about Ray Jr on this board, saying that he cried that is a joke!!!!!!!!!!! you people are just jealous. I have noticed that most of you people on this board knock certain people from Rhode Island, because you know you can't shine their shoe's. Get your facts straight people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny Sonny Castagna was a made guy, both he and his son would later turn informant.


John "Sonny" Castagna, was a Providence, Rhode Island mobster who became a made man in the Patriarca crime family, whose control extended throughout New England for over three decades. Castagna was a respected man among the mafia, (Cosa Nostra) and he was known across New England as a man of honour until he broke the mafias code of silence by ratting out fellow members of the Patriarca crime family in the early 1990s.

Castagna was one of the 21 alleged members and associates of the Patriarca crime family indicted in March 1990. A sweeping Federal indictment charged various defendants with gambling, loan-sharking and murder to support the crime family, which is based in Providence, R.I. Castagna was facing a lengthy jail sentence and became a government informer in 1990. He revealed in court that a weeping Raymond Patriarca was warned during a late 1989 meeting in Boston that he would be killed if he didn’t step down. Presiding over that meeting was Joseph Russo with Robert Carrozza also in attendance.

http://la-mafia.wikidot.com/john-castagna

When the RICO trials from the March 1990 indictments finally got underway, John F. "Sonny" Castagna, a former member of the Patriarca family, now turned government witness, revealed that Junior Patriarca would be killed by Boston mobsters if he did not step down. Castagna, testifying in May 1991, said the story was relayed to him by J. R. Russo.

"Raymond Junior had tears in his eyes and he was begging for his life," Castagna quoted Russo as saying.

The testimony took place during the Hartford trial which included defendant Gaetano Milano, who Castagna, now in the Federal Witness Protection Program with his son Jack Johns, claimed murdered William Grasso.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/family_epics/providence_mob/7.html

Dapper_Don, First of all as i said before you are all jealous of Ray Jr. I am tired of reading about men that go away and are doing their time and being knocked by Rats!!!!!!! like Castagna, and Bobby Deluca the real rats. Like i said before get your facts right Castagna comes from ct and wouldn't even know how to get to Rhode Island.

^^^Jealous of Ray Jr? LOL, hardly.

It was also confiemed bu sonny mercurio and thats why wild boy grasso fot wacked in the first place these are the facts junior got to greedy and was dumb underboss didnt let the solderis louis failla and that crew report to its capo so when jr russo and bianco ferrara found out it was wack tjem and we take over and thats when grasso got wacked and salemme got shot a few went into hiding and thats when russo wenr ro got to get the ok to wack junior unless he makes things straight and thats change the administration and.make new guys ...sonny f being a rep from ct bianco the rep from r.i. Amd russo at the meeting ..boanco became boss russo consiglere

Ferrara or biago digacoma became underboss not sure and the four new made guys in their favor thats what happened go read some books or talk to some connected old timers in the rackets and u might learn a tbing a two cause and providence people are f
Great to me fogitaboutit its just the goys I knoe like he always tell me hey kid its either in your blood or not this aint the fuckin movies kid I love when he tells me that lmaool

little.... behave yourself or your stay here will be short.

SC, I always behave!!!!!!!! if my stay here will be short for writing the truth then that means people just don't want to here the truth about certain people. SC i think smart people that have love one in the news all the time they know how the news media is. Thank you very much from New England

You will not be allowed to insult other members. There is no flaming allowed here.

SC, I don't think that i am insulting any members on the board.SC i am only saying the truth SC can you really say that you trust everything that is in the news. The news reporter know that certain people they write about will sell papers.

I'm not going to argue the point with you because you obviously don't understand what an insult is. But when you write something like:



that is an insult.

Consider yourself warned!

SC, I was writing to joerusso not you so would you rather me show you my post before i post it? SC i didn't know any member had to go through you before they post what they feel.

My job here is to prevent flaming wars. Just follow the board rules and you'll be OK. If not, and you want to continue being a smartass by arguing this, then you won't be allowed to post at all.

The choice is yours.

Little u seem 2 b. A guy with a lot of knowledge and I enjoy reading yur post . Here is some advice stop arguing with SC or u will b banned . Ihave seen it B4.

Now on a new topic what's up in prov these days . That st bust seemed to take a lot of the Big name guys off the street ??

Thebarber, Thank you for the advice, but i am not arguing with anyone on this board all i am trying to say is get the facts straight about Ray jr and other certain people that they write about that is not true. Thebarber yes there were alot of big name guys taken off the street but all i can say is that they should of know better and stay away from Bobby Deluca and they would all be home now with there family's. This is what make me mad the members on this board they want to talked about Ray jr and other certain people it is not right. If anything talk about Bobby Deluca and what he has done he destroy people's life and there familys

Little take it from SC he is a man of the people he gives away turkeys during the holidays and feeds the homeless. He's been a father-figure and counselor for many mislead individuals on these boards, as well as the streets I'd compare him to Bruce Wayne.

HAHA Dicknose!

Scarfo you like my new avator it's starting to creep me out but it was easy to upload

SC, I deleted my post about joerusso, I should of never said that

haha yeah Rosenberg

You should have Donald Duck, or Mickey Mouse, as your avatar, Dickie. Just sayen...

HK actually I'd like to have the Kool-Aid Man as my avator

Thank you.

I'm just trying to keep some peace here.

Barber the providence streets is just real careful thats all see that whole r.i crowd is small but furious from what I heard the active guys are keeping things quiet I heard things changed big ime eveeywhere but real bad as far as numbers go my uncle says back in the day for old man ray a hundred guys step up for old man ray guys u never see at meetings sit downs whatever all italians from r.i with a thoisand wacks under their belts now he saids its as bad as the irish lol ( half joke half insult my uncle hates the irish no offense to anyone but its cause whitey)long story

Sc the insults dont worry me man where not on the streets and not disclosing personal info as far as your ties connections etc you know to me its good fun and learning with constructive conversations and topics cause if it was a real life in the streets thing not only as this whole thing of open talk would happen but those with ties or etc wouldve got wacked a while ago for tjat fugazy stuff and that being said I just want to enjoy particapate and follow the RULES like a good member would do thanks for the time consliegeri

Whats up everybody. I found this forum a few months ago and I really enjoying readind alot of the stuff on here. that being said i have to agree with little. I dont think anybody is jealous of ray jr but the guy is stand up. He did his time came home kept his nose clean. Delcuca and rosseti got out by giving up there friends.

Heu boston george nice name but no is diagreeing hes not a stand up guy for doing his time and keepi.g mouth shut nose clean the point that is trying to be made is as a boss he was one of the worst in history and one of the biggest reasons for the family fall that being said he still didnt roll but sure fucked things up though big time

Hello everybody did you all have your coffee?

New guys in providence?? Good looking Matty likened the "new guys" to whores on the corner..."stand around long enough and we'll use you". I'm pretty sure if your uncle us an old timer he isn't giving up info. The patriaca family is no thriving organization-it's getting battered by Feds, rats and drugs.

From what I know, Ray JR would've never been Boss if it wasnt for Illario Zannino(aka Larry Baiona) who ever Zannino backed was gonna get the nod, he(Zannino)was a throw back guy and had alot of good friends in NY... Gennaro Angiulo(who paid his way to become a "made" man was a heavy earner and up for Boss but he was not respected as much as Ray JR who had the blessing of Zannino and the NY hierarchy, I mean Angiulo never made his bones he used money as a means to get "made"....

Crazy how there is never no mention of guys from the North End of Providence, RI--like Eddie Romano, Ronnie Cappola, Minnie Ruggerio, etc etc...

For as of right now, there is no word on any titles..... Wish I knew seriously..

hey sittite like i said my uncle only tells me things from the past and dont incriminate anyone or himselves believe me that old fuck is sharp and he dont talk with me ..he has his crew and his peers of old timers a few mid age guys but everything i know is from what i read learn or see never get told info NEVER that whole crowd is from a time where u have to answer to the power above and god forbid u do as they say " become a flemmi " and be a stool pigeon

and u right if it wasnt for zannino and Zannino only did because to show honor and loyalty to ray sr . thats why he supported the kid as they reffered to jr. and none of the others campaigned for boss besides anguilo.... anguilo fucked up and didnt be a underboss he just had the power to boss around thats what it was now if he had a couple wacks under his belt he, not his brother danny, might be feared and respected not frowned upon as was jerry .....

and please inform me about those guys esp ruggerio

hahaa YOUNG??? price and spucky are in there late 60's early 70's