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Posted By: NJBoy55

Irish Mob Charts - 03/08/12 09:59 AM

This is a list of members of different Irish organized crime groups in the United States. Some of these mob organizations are still around and some are not. Yes, there were other Irish gangs like the Gophers of New York and the Valley Gang of Chicago, but this list is of all the Irish mob organizations, not regular street gangs.



Spillane Gang
Time Period: 1942-1976
Location: New York City
Neighborhood: Hells Kitchen in Manhattan

1. Bill Beatie (1967-1974) A soldier, joined the Westies in 1974.
2. Eddie "The Butcher" Cummisky (1956-1974) A lieutenant, joined the Westies in 1974, murdered in 1976.
3. Tom Devaney (1956-1976) Spillane's second-in-command, murdered in 1976.
4. John "Cockeye" Dunn (1942-1949) Eddie McGrath's second-in-command, the brother-in-law of McGrath, executed in prison in 1949.
5. Daniel "Danny" Gentile (1942-1947) A soldier, became a police informant in 1947.
6. Tom "The Greek" Kapatos (1945-1977) A Greek-American soldier, murdered in 1977.
7. Eddie McGrath (1942-1959) First boss, retired in 1959, died four years later at the age of 57.
8. James "Jimmy" McManus (1965-1976) A soldier, Spillane's brother-in-law.
9. Andrew "Squint" Sheridan (1942-1949) A soldier, executed in prison in 1949.
10. Michael "Mickey" Spillane (1953-1976) Second boss, became boss after Eddie McGrath retired in 1959, murdered in 1977.

The Westies
Time Period: 1974-Present
Location: New York City
Neighborhood: Hells Kitchen in Manhattan

1. Bill Beatie (1974-1986) A soldier, formerly a member of the Spillane Gang, became an informant for the FBI in 1986.
2. William "Billy" Bokun (1974-Pr) A lieutenant, imprisoned in 1988, released in 2001, reported to be still active.
3. James "Jimmy" Coonan (1974-1988) First boss, Sentenced to 75 years in prison in 1988.
4. John "Jackie" Coonan Jr. (1974-1988) A soldier, brother of Jimmy Coonan, died of AIDS in 1988.
5. John "Little Jackie" Coonan III. (1993-Pr) John Bokun's second-in-command, son of John Coonan and nephew of Jimmy Coonan, reported to be still active.
6. Jason Coonan (1995-Pr) A soldier, son of John Coonan and nephew of Jimmy Coonan, reported to be still active.
7. Edward "Eddie" Cummiskey (1974-1976) Jimmy Coonan's second-in-command, formerly a member of the Spillane Gang, murdered in 1976.
8. John Bokun (1995-Pr) Current boss, nephew of William Bokun, became boss after Bosko Randonjich was sent to prison in 1999, sent to prison for smuggling marijuana in February 2012.
9. Thomas "Tommy" Collins (1974-Pr) A soldier, sent to prison in 1988, released in 1997, reported to be still active.
10. Francis "Mickey" Featherstone (1974-1986) Became Jimmy Coonan's second-in-command after Eddie Cummiskey was murdered in 1976, left the gang after becoming an informant for the FBI in 1986.
11. John "Johnny" Halo (1974-Pr) A soldier, reported to be still active.
12. Tommy Hess (1974-1982) A soldier, murdered in 1982.
13. Kevin Kelley (1977-1990) Second boss, became boss after Jimmy Coonan was sent to prison in 1988, sentenced to 40 years in prison in 1990, released in 2011, no longer active.
14. Anton "Tony" Lucich (1974-1985) A soldier, passed away in 1985.
15. James "Jimmy Mack" McElroy (1976-1993) A soldier, became an informant for the FBI in 1993.
16. Bosko "The Yugo" Randonjich (1988-1999) Third boss, became boss after Kevin Kelley was sent to prison in 1990, went to prison in 1999, released two years later and moved back to Yugoslavia.
17. Richard "Mugsy" Ritter (1974-Pr) A soldier, imprisoned in 1988, released in 2008, reported to be still active.
18. Richard "Richie" Ryan (1974-1986) A soldier, died of alcohol poisoning in 1986.
19. Kenneth "Kenny" Shannon (1982-Pr) A soldier, reported to be still active.
20. Brian Bentley (1990-Pr) A soldier, ran a burglary ring from 1990-1992, sentenced to 25 years in prison in 1992, reported to be still in prison.
21. John Bokun (1974-1977) A soldier, brother of William Bokun and father of John Bokun, murdered in 1977.

North Side Gang
Time Period: 1910-1935
Location: Chicago
Neighborhood: North Side of Chicago

1. Dean "Dion" O'Banion (1910-1924) First boss, murdered in 1924.
2. Earl "Hymie" Weiss (1910-1926) A lieutenant, murdered in 1926.
3. Vincent "The Schemer" Drucci (1910-1927) A soldier, full blooded Italian-American, killed by a cop in 1927.
4. George "Bugs" Moran (1910-1935) Second boss, became boss after Dion O'Banion was murdered in 1924, moved out of town in 1935.
5. Samuel "Nails" Morton (1910-1922) A soldier, murdered in 1922.
6. Louis "Two Gun" Alterie (1916-1935) A soldier, murdered in 1935.
7. Dan "Handsome Dan" Duffy (1922-1924) A soldier, murdered in 1924.
8. James Clark (1918-1929) Bugs Moran's second-in-command, the brother-in-law of Bugs Moran, murdered in 1929 at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.
9. Frank "Tight Lips" Gusenburg (1914-1929) A tough Jewish soldier, murdered in 1929 at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.
10. Peter Gusenberg (1914-1929) A tough Jewish soldier, brother of Frank Gusenberg, murdered in 1929 at the St Valentine's Day Massacre.
11. Adam "Adam Hayes" Heyer (1916-1929) A soldier, murdered in 1929 at the St Valentine's Day Massacre.
12. William "Willie" Marks (1913-1929) A lieutenant, bodyguard of Bugs Moran, defected and joined Al Capone as an associate in 1929, murdered in 1934.
13. Ted Newburry (1919-1933) A lieutenant, murdered in 1933.
14. Albert "Gorilla Al" Weinshank (1920-1929) A soldier, murdered in 1929 at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.
15. William "Billy" Skidmore (1913-1930) A soldier, saloon owner and gambler, defected and joined Al Capone as an associate in 1930, died in 1949.
16. Leo Mongoven (1924-1935) A soldier, bodyguard of Bugs Moran, died of natural causes in 1985.
17. Joe White (1920-1930) A soldier, moved out of town in 1930.
18. Frank Foster (1924-1930) A lieutenant, worked under Bugs Moran until joining the Capone Mob as an associate in 1930.
19. George Davis (1926-1935) A soldier, driver for Bugs Moran.
20. Herman Walters (1925-1932) A tough Jewish soldier, went missing in 1932.
21. Francis Callanaugh (1925-1935) A soldier, joined the North Side Gang at the age of 19.
22. James Patrick "Big Jim" O'Leary (1910-1925) Early Chicago gangster, ran gambling on the North Side of Chicago, died of natural causes in 1925.

The Combine
Time Period: 1923-1933
Location: New York City and Providence

1.Wlliam "Big Bill" Dwyer (1923-1926) Boss from 1923 until he retired in 1926, died in 1946.
2. Owney "The Killer" Madden (1923-1933) Boss from 1926 until 1933, former member of the Gophers street gang, owned the Cotton Club, died in 1965.
3. Charles "Vannie" Higgins (1923-1932) boss of the Brooklyn faction of the Combine, owned the El Fey Night Club, murdered in 1932.
4. Danny Walsh (1923-1933) leader of the Providence faction of the Combine, close friend of Joe Kennedy of Boston, kidnapped and murdered in 1933.
5. William "Bad Bill" Bailey (1923-1933) A soldier, member of the Brooklyn faction, died in 1944.
6. Robert "Whitey" Benson (1923-1931) A soldier, member of the Brooklyn faction, murdered in 1931.
7. Irving Bitz (1923-1933) A soldier, member of the Brooklyn faction.
8. Chick Hyland (1923-1933) A soldier, former member of the Gophers street gang.
9. Joseph Walsh (1923-1933) A soldier, member of the Providence faction, brother of Danny Walsh, died in 1947.
10. George "Big Frenchie" De Mauge (1923-1933) French member, Owney Madden's second-in-command.
11. Carlton O'Brien (1925-1933) A soldier, member of the Providence faction, murdered in 1952 at the age of 49.

The Celtic Club
Time Period: 1975-1977
Location: Cleveland
Neighborhood: Collinwood

1. Danny Greene (1975-1977) The boss of the Celtic Club, formerly an associate of the Cleveland LCN, became an informant for the FBI in 1974, murdered in 1977.
2. John Nardi (1975-1977) Italian-American soldier, Danny Greene's second-in-command, formerly associated with the Cleveland LCN, murdered in 1977.
3. Kevin Joseph McTaggart (1975-1977) A lieutenant, cousin of Danny Greene, became an associate of the Cleveland LCN in 1977, been serving a life sentence since 1983.
4. Brian O'Donnell (1975-1977) A soldier, reported to be still alive.
5. Bill Duffy (1975-1977) A soldier, not known if he is still living.
6. Danny Greene Jr. (1975-1977) A soldier, son of Danny Greene, reported to be still alive and living in Cleveland.
7. Keith Ritson (1975-1977) A lieutenant, once a Golden Gloves boxer, murdered in 1982.

Winter Hill Gang
Time Period: 1960-Present
Location: Boston, Somerville, Everett and Quincy

1. James "Buddy" McLean (1960-1965) First boss, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1965.
2. Howard "Howie" Winter (1960-1977) Second boss, World War II veteran, ran New England's Irish Mob from 1965 until he was sentenced to 20 years in prison in 1977, released in 1987, no longer active, still alive and well.
3. Salvatore "Sal" Sperlinga (1965-1980) Italian-American gangster, lieutenant under Whitey Bulger, murdered in 1980.
4. Edward "Teddy" Deegan (1960-1965) A soldier, member under Buddy McLean, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1965.
5. Patrick Nee (1975-1990) Well respected soldier, former United States Marine, member under Bulger, connected to the IRA, sentenced to 27 years in prison in 1990, released in 2003, retired and still lives in South Boston.
6. James "Whitey" Bulger (1972-1995) Third boss, took over the leadership after Howie Winter, owned the South Boston Liquor Mart, became an undercover informant for the FBI in 1975, went missing in 1995, found and sent to prison in 2011.
7. Kevin "Two" Weeks (1982-2000) Fourth boss, became an informant for the FBI in 2000.
8. George "Georgie Boy" Hogan (1985-Pr) Current boss, took over the leadership when Weeks defected, living in Boston at the age of 60, reported to be still active.
9. Anthony "Tony Blue" D'Agostino (1960-1965) A soldier, Italian-American hitman, bodyguard of Buddy McLean, went missing in 1965 after being shot and wounded by the McGlaughlin's.
10. Thomas "Tommy" Ballou Jr. (1960-1970) A soldier, Buddy McLean's driver, murdered in 1970.
11. Steven "The Rifleman" Flemmi (1970-1997) Italian-American member, Bulger's second-in-command, became an undercover informant for the FBI in 1975.
12. Kevin O'Neil (1975-2004) A soldier, owned Triple O's Lounge in South Boston, sentenced to 10 years in prison in 2004, reported to be still in prison.
13. John "Red" Shea (1985-1992) A lieutenant and drug dealer, became a street soldier at the age of 20, sentenced to 20 years in prison in 1992, released in 2000, not active, enjoys his life as an author with two books out.
14. John Martorano (1976-1999) A soldier, half Irish and half Italian descent, became an informant for the FBI in 1999.
15. John Joseph "Mick" Murray (1980-Pr) A soldier, released from prison in 2011 after serving 9 years behind bars, reported to be still active.
16. Jerry "Poker Face" Perkins (1973-Pr) A soldier, lives in South Boston, reported to be still active.
17. Thomas Ballot Jr. (1960-1970) Buddy McLean's bodyguard, murdered in 1970.
18. Louis "Louie" Litif (1976-1982) Lebanese-American bookmaker and Winter Hill Gang soldier, murdered in 1982 by Bulger.
19. William "Billy" Brymer (2001-Pr) A soldier, currently in prison for being involved in a car jacking.
20. Michael "Captain" Rocke (2000-Pr) A soldier, living in South Boston, reported to be still active.
21. Frederick Finnerty (1989-Pr) A soldier, living in Dorchester, reported to be still active.
22. Scott McDermott (2004-Pr) A soldier, currently living in Everett, reported to be still active.
23. James "Jimmy" Simms (1981-1986) A soldier, went missing in 1986 after being released from prison.
24. Bobby "Spike" Watson (2000-Pr) A soldier, lives in South Boston at age 46, reported to be still active.
25. Joseph "Joe Mac" McDonald (1960-1997) A soldier, original member of the Winter Hill Gang, World War II veteran and street fighter, the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted fugitive, arrested in 1982 before he could turn himself in, died in 1997 just after being released from prison.
26. Edward "Eddie Mac" MacKenzie (1985-1993) A soldier, former drug dealer, not active, co-author of the book "Street Soldier: My Life as an Enforcer for Whitey Bulger and the Irish Mob."
27. James "Jimmy Pez" Flynn (1978-Pr) A soldier, small time actor, can be seen in such films as Good Will Hunting, What's the Worst That Could Happen? and The Cider House Rules, reported to be still active.
28. Richard Demas (1992-Pr) Hogan's second-in-command, known as a thief.
29. Paul "Pole Cat" Moore (1980s-1993) A soldier, became a police informant in 1993.
30. James M. Murphy (1968-1990s) A soldier, not active, once on Boston Police Department's Most Wanted List in the 1970s.
31. Timothy A. Connolly (1984-1989) A soldier, half Irish and half Italian descent, worked for Bulger until becoming an informant for the FBI in 1989, owned the Corner Cafe.
32. Michael "White Mike" McArdle (2002-Pr) A soldier, living in Quincy, reported to be still active.
33. Tommy Cahill (1987-Pr) A soldier, reported to be still active.
34. Vincent James "Jimmy The Bear" Flemmi (1973-1978) A soldier, brother of Steven Flemmi, sentenced to 50 years in prison for murder in 1978, died of a heroin overdose one year later in prison.
35. William "Billy Boy" Hogan (1989-Pr) A lieutenant, brother of George Hogan, reported to be still active.
36. James Turpin (1988-Pr) A soldier, currently in prison for selling drugs.
37. Richard "Richie Rich" Turpin (1978-Pr) A soldier, uncle of James Turpin, reported to be still active.
38. James Montgomery (1995-Pr) A soldier, selling vicodin and okycodone pills on the streets of Boston, reported to be still active.
39. Thomas Ryan (1967-Pr) A soldier, living in Boston at the age of 80, reported to be still active.
40. Patrick "Dizzy" Coarke (2000-Pr) A soldier, living in Quincy, reported to be still active.
41. Ralph Valencourt (1986-Pr) A soldier, living in Boston at the age of 54, reported to be still active
42. Jeff "Sidearm Lenny" Linberg (1997-Pr) A soldier, half Irish and half German descent, street fighter, reported to be still active.
43. Gregory McGlaughlin (1980s-Pr) A soldier, not related to the McGlaughlin's from Charlestown, reported to be still active.
44. Robert "Bobby Quarters" Nee (1978-Pr) A soldier, living in Boston at the age of 62, reported to be still active.
45. Russell Nicholson (1960-1964) A soldier, original member of the Winter Hill Gang, formerly a police officer, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1964.
46. Harold "The Killer" Wright (1967-1995) A soldier, top hitman for Bulger & Flemmi, not active, still alive and living in Ventura, CA.
47. Alexander "Alex" Petricone (1960-1972) Well respected soldier, full blooded Italian-American, left the Winter Hill Gang to pursue a career in acting in 1972, later became a big star under the name Alex Rocco, played Moe Green in the Godfather.
48. Frederick "Freddy" Weichel (1978-1980) A soldier, sentenced to 50 years in prison for murder after Bulger informed on him to the FBI, released in 2004 after the conviction was overturned, went back to prison two years later after the Massachusetts Supreme Court reinstated his conviction, many people say he was not involved in the murder.
49. Leo McDonald (1960-1975) A soldier, brother of Joseph McDonald, went missing in 1975.
50. Joseph Donahue (1978-2000) A soldier, nephew of Joseph & Leo McDonald, died in 2000.
51. Brian "Balloon Head" Halloran (1980-1982) A soldier, became an informant for the FBI in 1982, murdered in 1982 by Bulger after FBI agent John Connolly told him Holloran was an informant.
52. James Sousa (1973-1974) A soldier, full blooded Portuguese-American, became an informant for the FBI in 1974, murdered by Whitey Bulger and John Martorano in 1974.
53. George Joynt (1960-1961) A soldier, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1961.
54. Anthony "Fat Tony" Ciulla (1973-1978) A soldier, half Irish and half Italian descent, master at fixing races, became an informant for the FBI in 1978.

McGlaughlin Bro's
Time Period: 1952-1966
Location: Boston
Neighborhood: Charlestown

1. Bernard "Bernie" McGlaughlin (1952-1961) First boss, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1961.
2. George "Georgie" McGlaughlin (1952-1966) A soldier, brother of Bernie McGlaughlin, died in 1987 at the age of 60.
3. Edward "Punchy" McGlaughlin (1952-1965) Bernie's second-in-command, brother of Bernie & Georgie, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1965.
4. Cornelius "Connie" Hughes (1952-1966) A soldier, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1966.
5. Steve Hughes (1952-1966) A lieutenant, brother of Connie Hughes, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1966.
6. Samuel "Sam" Lindenbaum (1952-1966) A soldier, the McGlaughlin's Jewish member, worked for the gang doing loansharking, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1966.
7. Harold Hannon (1952-1965) A soldier, murdered in 1965 by the McGlaughlin's.
8. Wilfred J. Delaney (1952-1964) A soldier, murdered during the Irish Mob Wars in 1964.
9. John "Maxie" Shackelford (1958-1966) A soldier, not known if he is still living.
10. Arthur "Art" Doe Sr. (1959-1966) A soldier, murdered in 1967.
11. James "Spike" O'Toole (1958-1966) A lieutenant, murdered in 1973.
12. John Locke (1961-1966) A soldier, stil alive and well.












THE END
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/08/12 10:43 AM

Very nicely presented. Good work, NJ!
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/08/12 10:54 AM

Thanks Harry Knucks... Worked hard on it.
Posted By: Chopper2012

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/08/12 11:51 AM

Anyone know what happened to Danny Green Jr. after his father was blown up?
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/08/12 12:42 PM

Nice work NJ
Posted By: TonyG

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/08/12 06:42 PM

Great post NJ.

There were a few other Irish gangs to include on the list, although I don't know about the members.

Egan's Rats and the Hogan gangs in St. Louis from the 1890's to about 1925.

The Gustin Gang in Boston during Prohibition.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 12:07 AM

Originally Posted By: TonyG
Great post NJ.

There were a few other Irish gangs to include on the list, although I don't know about the members.

Egan's Rats and the Hogan gangs in St. Louis from the 1890's to about 1925.

The Gustin Gang in Boston during Prohibition.


Yeah, those were just gangs, though. They weren't actual mob groups. Very tough gangs of course.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 04:48 AM

If somebody can put it up on the real deal that would be nice.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 07:44 AM

Great lists! The Winter Hill gang list is especially impressive - I hadn't even heard of a lot of those guys.

Some notes about the North Side gang:

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1. Dean "Dion" O' Banion (1910-1924) First boss, murdered in 1924.


Charles Reiser was the de facto boss of these guys before O'Banion.

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2. Earl "Hymie" Weiss (1910-1926) A lieutenant, murdered in 1926.


His real name was "Henry Earl Wojciechowski", and he was the boss when killed.

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4. George "Bugs" Moran (1910-1935) Second boss, became boss after Dion O' Banion was murdered in 1924, moved out of town in 1935.


His real name was Adelard Cunin. Hymie Weiss and Schemer Drucci preceded him as boss. He became boss after Drucci was killed by Detective Healy.

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5. Samuel "Nails" Morton (1910-1922) A soldier, murdered in 1922.


He was kicked in the head by a horse, not murdered. Then Louis Alterie whacked the horse. lol

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9. Frank "Tight Lips" Gusenburg (1914-1929) A tough Jewish soldier, murdered in 1929 at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.
10. Peter Gusenberg (1914-1929) A tough Jewish soldier, brother of Frank Gusenberg, murdered in 1929 at the St Valentine's Day Massacre.


IIRC, the Gusenbergs were German-American, not Jewish, but don't hold me to that. I think Frank's mob nickname was "Hock", and the media came up with that "Tight Lips" thing after he refused to talk following the St. Valentine's Day massacre, but don't hold me to that, either. ohwell

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13. Ted Newburry (1919-1933) A lieutenant, murdered in 1933.


Newberry also defected to the Outfit.

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14. Albert "Gorilla Al" Weinshank (1920-1929) A soldier, murdered in 1929 at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.


His real last name was Weinshenker, FWIW.

Also, this is silly nitpicking, but anyway only a small fraction of the North Siders were Irish-American. It was a multiethnic mob that has come to be (somewhat incorrectly) identified as an "Irish Mob" due to the prominence of O'Banion and the mistaken belief that Moran was Irish (he was, believe it or not, French). I think Ragen's Colts (under the leadership of Ralph Sheldon) might have been the biggest full-blown "Irish Mob" in Chicago at the time.

Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 07:54 AM

There you go starting stuff again. Nowhere does it say that there was another boss before O'Banion. He's the man who started the NSG. They had a gang of Irish hoods called the "North Side Rebels" that the person you listed as boss before O'Banion was the leader of. You love to just start issues, by posting things that aren't truthful.

I have gathered information for months through Irish Mob books, FBI reports and microfiche of old Newspaper articles on these organizations.

Hope you learn some time in the future!!! You are right about Albert "Gorilla Al" Weinshank, though.

Posted By: Ivan

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 08:27 AM

Calm down dude. I said "de facto" in that he was effectively the boss of hoods like O'Banion and others before the North Side gang coalesced. See the books by Rose Keefe.

So only the Weinshank thing was correct, and all those other suggestions were wrong?
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 08:32 AM

It's the way you come across, bro. However, have a nice night.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 08:40 AM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
It's the way you come across, bro. However, have a nice night.


I was being polite, or at least trying to be. No offense intended.
Posted By: ScottD

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 02:05 PM

On the Winter Hill gang, Joe McDonald's brother Leo and Joseph Donanhue, were two other members of the Somerville faction.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 02:28 PM

Thanks Scott D, I have Leo, but not to sure if Joe Donahue was an associate of the Winter Hill Gang or an actual member, that is why I didn't put him on the list. Didn't see any info that said he was a member. What year did he die or become not active anymore?
Posted By: ScottD

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Thanks Scott D, I have Leo, but not to sure if Joe Donahue was an associate of the Winter Hill Gang or an actual member, that is why I didn't put him on the list. Didn't see any info that said he was a member. What year did he die or become not active anymore?


Joe was involved. He died in the early 2000s. He was the McDonald's nephew and lived across from them in Somerville.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 02:51 PM

Thanks again. Will add him to the WH chart.
Posted By: CleveItalia

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 03:09 PM

chopper 2012, I think you're referring to danny kelly, he was his oldest son when danny died. He never got involved in anything and to my knowledge lived a crime free life, I never recall his sons getting into anything sinister.
Posted By: Chopper2012

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 03:14 PM

Originally Posted By: CleveItalia
chopper 2012, I think you're referring to danny kelly, he was his oldest son when danny died. He never got involved in anything and to my knowledge lived a crime free life, I never recall his sons getting into anything sinister.


NJBoy55 listed a Danny Green jr. as soldier, so I was wondering what happened to him after his dad was blown up. Wouldn't know if he was or wasn't involved in the live. Perhaps NJBoy can shed some light on this?
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 03:28 PM

This is from an old Cleveland Newspaper article about Greene from October 1982.

Danny Greene encouraged his crime partners Kevin McTaggart, Keith Ritson, Brian O'Donnell and his son Danny Jr. to get involved in Irish history. Greene, who considered the Irish a superior race, was so well read in Celtic history that he probably could have taught the subjects on a post-graduate level. He was so imbued with a sense of his ancestry that he wore green clothes, drove a green car, handed out green pens and had his apartment decorated in green. Even in his final hectic days, he asked an aunt to prepare him a family tree. Greene's son Danny was a tough kid and was his only son that was involved in a life of crime.

Greene may have been a killer, but he had another side. Imagining himself as a feudal baron, he supported a number of destitute Collinwood families, paid tuition to Catholic schools for various children and, like the gangsters of the Twenties, actually had turkeys delivered to needy households on holidays.
Posted By: CleveItalia

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 03:32 PM

Danny jr is his son but his last name isn't greene, it's kelly after his mothers maiden name. I don't ever recall his son being involved in anything worthwhile, unless it was strictly working for his dad. After the bombing that whole crew essentially split up and/or went to jail and never was associated with anything organized. Shortly thereafter carmen z got in the mix and everything was controlled by again by the family.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 03:34 PM

Another article about Danny Greene Jr. from the book "To Kill The Irishman." If you read on it talks more about him being in the vending machine racket with his dad.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Lykk81Y...and&f=false
Posted By: Chopper2012

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 04:02 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Another article about Danny Greene Jr. from the book "To Kill The Irishman." If you read on it talks more about him being in the vending machine racket with his dad.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Lykk81Y...and&f=false


Interesting. Any idea what happened to him? Is he still alive?
Posted By: Ivan

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 04:12 PM

Originally Posted By: CleveItalia
After the bombing that whole crew essentially split up and/or went to jail and never was associated with anything organized. Shortly thereafter carmen z got in the mix and everything was controlled by again by the family.


Interestingly, Carmen Zagaria is said to be a free man now and living in Cleveland openly. Also a free man is Ronald Carabbia, the guy who blew up Danny Greene.

So I guess the Cleveland mob saga has had a happy ending for Carabbia and Zagaria. lol
Posted By: Chopper2012

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 04:24 PM

Ronny the Crab! He's gotta be at least 80 years old by now. I read that his son and namesake still owns some bars and runs some sports gambling.
Posted By: CleveItalia

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 04:27 PM

I dont mean to cause a internet battle over this but danny's son wasn't involved to the extent that you think he was, he was a teenager who drove around and did errands for his father. That entire crew worked as muscle for greene essentially, they loansharked that sold coke. That was the extent of their criminal mischeif. They had a couple rackets but wasn't anything I would put on the level of the teamsters. Greene's son is living a crime free life and has for a very long time now. That's about as exciting as I can put it. Once Danny died the entire crew split up. Mctaggert who was in a motorcycle gang was all muscle and sold coke, he eventually started buying it from carmen, just like kieth did, until they wacked out kieth. Carmen, tommy, and joey g took over everything drug related. I wouldn't even call the celtic club a crew, it was essentially three guys, one of whom had any real connections to anything worthwhile, they other two were along for the ride until the older guys put them all in their place. Other than that I think your work on the irish lists is impressive and a lot of work went into that.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 05:02 PM

Well, you can think what you want. Facts are facts buddy boy. Got my sources and I'm stickin' to them.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Chopper2012
Ronny the Crab! He's gotta be at least 80 years old by now. I read that his son and namesake still owns some bars and runs some sports gambling.


You are right Chopper, he is up there in age, but he was always an associate. He's a top associate of what is left of the Cleveland LCN Fam.
Posted By: Chopper2012

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 05:20 PM

He was never made? Oh well, not much to be made in over there anyway these days.

Great charts btw. NJBoy55. So whats you're take on the Winter Hill gang these days? Still active as a crew or just some loose ends still operating?
Posted By: AmericanCrime

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 05:43 PM

What about the K&A Gang..Oft overlooked. Particularly active throughout the 1960s-early 1980s. Viable anyway. Wasn't a cohesive group in the beginning. More like a loose confederation. Still noteworthy, tho.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/09/12 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Chopper2012
I read that his son and namesake still owns some bars and runs some sports gambling.


He owns a company called Sky King Fireworks. I somehow find it weirdly ironic that his dad is famous for blowing up Danny Greene, while the son is famous for a company responsible for somewhat less spectacular explosions.

http://www.skykingfireworks.com/
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/10/12 01:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Chopper2012
Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Another article about Danny Greene Jr. from the book "To Kill The Irishman." If you read on it talks more about him being in the vending machine racket with his dad.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Lykk81Y...and&f=false


Interesting. Any idea what happened to him? Is he still alive?


I read somewhere that his son was still living in Cleveland, but not active at all in any OC these days.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/10/12 01:46 AM

Originally Posted By: AmericanCrime
What about the K&A Gang..Oft overlooked. Particularly active throughout the 1960s-early 1980s. Viable anyway. Wasn't a cohesive group in the beginning. More like a loose confederation. Still noteworthy, tho.


I don't know what to think about the K&A Gang. They were not very known and only had a few guys in their group, not much of a mob organization, just a bunch of Irish thugs from Philly that dabbled in criminal activities together.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/10/12 05:15 AM

Originally Posted By: Ivan
Originally Posted By: Chopper2012
I read that his son and namesake still owns some bars and runs some sports gambling.


He owns a company called Sky King Fireworks. I somehow find it weirdly ironic that his dad is famous for blowing up Danny Greene, while the son is famous for a company responsible for somewhat less spectacular explosions.

http://www.skykingfireworks.com/


Goddamn that is a funny coincidence. Great find Ivan.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/10/12 04:14 PM

Nicholas used to be interested in my charts. Not so much these days, lol.

Chopper, the Winter Hill Gang and the Westies are the only ones still left, but dying out very fast.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/10/12 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Nicholas used to be interested in my charts. Not so much these days, lol.

Chopper, the Winter Hill Gang and the Westies are the only ones still left, but dying out very fast.
what about the west end gang up in montreal?
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/10/12 04:40 PM

That's true. That's up in Canada, though.
Posted By: carmela

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/11/12 12:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Ivan
Originally Posted By: Chopper2012
I read that his son and namesake still owns some bars and runs some sports gambling.


He owns a company called Sky King Fireworks. I somehow find it weirdly ironic that his dad is famous for blowing up Danny Greene, while the son is famous for a company responsible for somewhat less spectacular explosions.

http://www.skykingfireworks.com/


lol That is pretty funny.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/11/12 05:08 AM

Originally Posted By: carmela

lol That is pretty funny.


I wonder if the two of them ever joke around about it?

Now matter how nice his fireworks are, he'll never top the firecracker his dad set off in that parking lot in Cleveland in '77. lol
Posted By: ImpactPlaya

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/11/12 04:56 PM

Kevin O'Donnell relocated to San Diego and opened a bar.
The thing about the Greene bombing is that Greene had all intents to move to Texas. He was gonna eliminate himself.
The Cleveland organization could have let him walk but I guess after Moceri got bumped,Licavoli was hell bent on killing Greene.
I think the worse thing they did was bringing Zagaria into the pic.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/11/12 11:44 PM

Originally Posted By: ImpactPlaya

I think the worse thing they did was bringing Zagaria into the pic.


There is a myth that Greene's antics were what destroyed the Cleveland Mafia, but Zagaria and Lonardo were the ones who did the real damage.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/12/12 06:58 AM

Originally Posted By: ImpactPlaya
Kevin O'Donnell relocated to San Diego and opened a bar.
The thing about the Greene bombing is that Greene had all intents to move to Texas. He was gonna eliminate himself.
The Cleveland organization could have let him walk but I guess after Moceri got bumped,Licavoli was hell bent on killing Greene.
I think the worse thing they did was bringing Zagaria into the pic.


What bar are we talking about? There's a Brian O'Donnell that owns a bar and restaurant called Manahattan of La Jola in La Jola, CA, near San Diego. Don't think he is the same guy. Maybe you can shed some light on the name of his place.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/12/12 07:26 AM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Nicholas used to be interested in my charts. Not so much these days, lol.


Speaking of, I never properly thanked you for those San Jose charts you PM'd me a few months ago wink
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/12/12 08:56 AM

Just was messin' around. Everything is cool. I have a bunch of pics of SJ members, if anybody wants to do a free website or blog about that small family out west. If so, please pm me. I will send you the pics that nobody has, of members, at least not on the net they do.

I don't know how to start a good site, but if you're interested on doing a history thing on them with pics, lets chat through some emails.
Posted By: OldSmoke

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/12/12 04:40 PM

Good charts but there are a few spots on the Westies and Combine charts that note guys like Dwyer and McGrath dying in certain years when they actually just retired.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/12/12 05:00 PM

Nope... They both died for sure.
Posted By: ImpactPlaya

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 03:56 AM

I meant Brian ODonnell.my apologies
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 06:41 AM

Who is this Kevin O'Donnell? I don't have him on my list.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 07:51 AM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Just was messin' around. Everything is cool. I have a bunch of pics of SJ members, if anybody wants to do a free website or blog about that small family out west. If so, please pm me. I will send you the pics that nobody has, of members, at least not on the net they do.

I don't know how to start a good site, but if you're interested on doing a history thing on them with pics, lets chat through some emails.


Hey, I'd like that. Like that a lot. Those smaller families captivate the hell out of me. Rockford, San Francisco, Pueblo, Seattle (if you consider it one, which I do), Madison, etc. They're "Reservoir Dog" families as I like to call them, referring to the father-son criminal organization in that movie.

Shoot me a PM, and I'll send you the email address I use for university to show seriousness.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 08:17 AM

Hey, I'd like that. Like that a lot. Those smaller families captivate the hell out of me. Rockford, San Francisco, Pueblo, Seattle (if you consider it one, which I do), Madison, etc. They're "Reservoir Dog" families as I like to call them, referring to the father-son criminal organization in that movie.

Nicholas, my friend Ladri from real deal is a big researcher of the Rockford Mob. He lives there. Ladri has been having bad luck at getting me on the real deal, lol. I have always been interested in the smaller families. They're much more interesting to me. However, the Seatle guys were not Cosa Nostra bro.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 08:30 AM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55

Nicholas, my friend Ladri from real deal is a big researcher of the Rockford Mob. He lives there. Ladri has been having bad luck at getting me on the real deal, lol. I have always been interested in the smaller families. They're much more interesting to me. However, the Seatle guys were not Cosa Nostra bro.


ladri is a good guy. The books are closed over there but hopefully they'll be open again soon.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 09:07 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: NJBoy55

Nicholas, my friend Ladri from real deal is a big researcher of the Rockford Mob. He lives there. Ladri has been having bad luck at getting me on the real deal, lol. I have always been interested in the smaller families. They're much more interesting to me. However, the Seatle guys were not Cosa Nostra bro.


ladri is a good guy. The books are closed over there but hopefully they'll be open again soon.


Thanks Ives... Do you know if anybody put these charts on the real deal? Just wondring what they think.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 12:17 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55

Thanks Ives... Do you know if anybody put these charts on the real deal? Just wondring what they think.


If you're talking about the charts you posted at the beginning of this thread, I don't think they've been put on the Real Deal yet.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: NJBoy55

Thanks Ives... Do you know if anybody put these charts on the real deal? Just wondring what they think.


If you're talking about the charts you posted at the beginning of this thread, I don't think they've been put on the Real Deal yet.


That's cool. Heard they have a charts area. Maybe you can do it. Also, you're right about Ladri. His cousin Mobfan is a cool dude too. Both FB friends of mine.
Posted By: carmela

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: NJBoy55

Thanks Ives... Do you know if anybody put these charts on the real deal? Just wondring what they think.


If you're talking about the charts you posted at the beginning of this thread, I don't think they've been put on the Real Deal yet.


That's cool. Heard they have a charts area. Maybe you can do it. Also, you're right about Ladri. His cousin Mobfan is a cool dude too. Both FB friends of mine.


Interesting... cool

MobFan and I go way back. Give him my regards.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 05:16 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The books are closed over there but hopefully they'll be open again soon.

lol lol

Was that an intentional pun, Ivy?

You scamp, you grin.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy

lol lol

Was that an intentional pun, Ivy?

You scamp, you grin.


Well, that's actually the phrased that is used and it is sort of a pun. I didn't come up with it myself. wink
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/13/12 11:30 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55


That's cool. Heard they have a charts area. Maybe you can do it. Also, you're right about Ladri. His cousin Mobfan is a cool dude too. Both FB friends of mine.


Yeah, if you want, I can post them over there.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/14/12 08:26 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: NJBoy55


That's cool. Heard they have a charts area. Maybe you can do it. Also, you're right about Ladri. His cousin Mobfan is a cool dude too. Both FB friends of mine.


Yeah, if you want, I can post them over there.


Yes! That would be fine.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/14/12 04:13 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The books are closed over there but hopefully they'll be open again soon.

lol lol

Was that an intentional pun, Ivy?

You scamp, you grin.



Haha... God one. wink
Posted By: OldSmoke

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/17/12 04:27 AM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Nope... They both died for sure.


William Vincent Dwyer (1883–1946), known as "Big Bill" Dwyer, was an early Prohibition gangster and bootlegger in New York during the 1920s. He used his profits to purchase sports properties, including the New York Americans and Pittsburgh Pirates of the National Hockey League (NHL), as well as the Brooklyn Dodgers of the National Football League. He eventually was brought down by the U.S. government through legal actions, leaving Dwyer penniless at the end of his life in 1946.
Posted By: OldSmoke

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/17/12 04:31 AM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Nope... They both died for sure.


Also, if you ever read the Westies by TJ English you would know that Mickey Spillane goes down to Florida in the either the late 1960s or early 1970s to try to work out problems with the Genoveses over the Javits. There is no accurate record of when McGrath dies but it's not in 1959.
Posted By: OldSmoke

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/17/12 04:32 AM

Originally Posted By: OldSmoke
Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Nope... They both died for sure.


Also, if you ever read the Westies by TJ English you would know that Mickey Spillane goes down to Florida in the either the late 1960s or early 1970s to try to work out problems with the Genoveses over the Javits. There is no accurate record of when McGrath dies but it's not in 1959.


That's about Eddie McGrath, of course.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 03/17/12 06:52 PM

OldSmoke, for your information, I already changed the year Dwyer died to 1946. It was a simple mistake, because 1946 was the actual year I had in my writen information.

Also, I have McGrath as passing away in 1963, and that comes straight from the FBI records I have.

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Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 04/04/12 02:47 PM

Joy luck the IRISH, lol.
Posted By: danielperrygin

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 04/05/12 08:59 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Originally Posted By: TonyG
Great post NJ.

There were a few other Irish gangs to include on the list, although I don't know about the members.

Egan's Rats and the Hogan gangs in St. Louis from the 1890's to about 1925.

The Gustin Gang in Boston during Prohibition.


Yeah, those were just gangs, though. They weren't actual mob groups. Very tough gangs of course.


Not trying to start anything but all a mob group is is a gang, we are the ones who talk them up to be more than they really are, which is a gang of criminals. NJ i have asked this question to many different people including Rick Porrello but i have never got a answer that satisfied me, so i hope you can tell me since it is obvious you have done a lot of research for this subject. What or how much of a role did Danny Greene Jr. play in his fathers operations? The only answer i have ever got back was an email from Rick that said "not much, he was very young." But to this i say why is he included in the gang membership lists on the internet? Can you please tell me what role he played and if possible give me a source for this information? Thank you again, i love your chart, you spent a lot of time on it that is very easy to tell.
Posted By: danielperrygin

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 04/05/12 09:13 PM

Figured i would show you what they are saying on realdeal:


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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Very interesting/informative charts. Thanks for posting this.

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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Why don't he post them here himself?

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Re: Irish Mob Charts
DonnieBlack wrote:
Why don't he post them here himself?


I don't think he has a membership here and the books are currently closed.

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Re: Irish Mob Charts
wiseguy wrote:
DonnieBlack wrote:
Why don't he post them here himself?


I don't think he has a membership here and the books are currently closed.


Oh yes, I forgot about the books being closed.

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Re: Irish Mob Charts
This would be nice if it were a board game. But the organizational structure is so off on the NY based "groups." Some people just NEED there to be a boss of something with an official lieutenant, soldier, etc.

Tell NJBoy 55 there was no Spillaine Gang. Tom Devaney was not the #2, Eddie Cummiskey was not a lieutenant. Nor was James McManus, who was a local politician, a soldier in the Spillane organization.

Tell him to do research on a guy named Hugh Mulligan. He'll find some of these same people like Billy Beattie and Tommy McElroy running errands for him, along with being gofers for Spillane, Coonan, Richie Ryan, Mickey Featherstone, etc.

He left out some other kids. Dennis Curley, Tommy Moresco, Danny Quinn, Mike D'Amico, Ryan Leavitt, Raymond Steen, etc.

That whole thing about Sean Cummiskey and John Coonan III being the new leader of the Westies is internet mythology.Where are all the indictments on any of these reportedly active "Westies?"...


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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Awesome charts!

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Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:09 pm

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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Ive always wondered what part Danny Green Jr. played in his dads operations, anybody have any info on that?

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Re: Irish Mob Charts
I agree with Jiggs, but chart is good, nice info on gangsters who were mostly Irish. Part I agree with Jiggs on is the structure, specifically New York list, these guys were mostly loose and on own, and hung together when they felt like it. Some were partners, but they had no structure.

Those New York West side Irish guys from 1970's and 1980's were mostly severe coke heads and alcoholics. Some were very dangerous, really nuts, rest were dangerous only when stoned.


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Re: Irish Mob Charts
JIGGS wrote:
This would be nice if it were a board game. But the organizational structure is so off on the NY based "groups." Some people just NEED there to be a boss of something with an official lieutenant, soldier, etc.

Tell NJBoy 55 there was no Spillaine Gang. Tom Devaney was not the #2, Eddie Cummiskey was not a lieutenant. Nor was James McManus, who was a local politician, a soldier in the Spillane organization.

Tell him to do research on a guy named Hugh Mulligan. He'll find some of these same people like Billy Beattie and Tommy McElroy running errands for him, along with being gofers for Spillane, Coonan, Richie Ryan, Mickey Featherstone, etc.

He left out some other kids. Dennis Curley, Tommy Moresco, Danny Quinn, Mike D'Amico, Ryan Leavitt, Raymond Steen, etc.

That whole thing about Sean Cummiskey and John Coonan III being the new leader of the Westies is internet mythology.Where are all the indictments on any of these reportedly active "Westies?"...



Careful correcting that NJBoy fella; I have done so very politely and he fucking flipped out on me. It was real obscure shit about Youngstown and the North Side Mob in Chicago that I just happened to know so I figured I'd pass it on. He didn't take it very well for some reason.

Anyway, here are my adjustments for the North Side Mob chart that pissed him off.


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Some notes about the North Side gang:

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1. Dean "Dion" O' Banion (1910-1924) First boss, murdered in 1924.


Charles Reiser was the de facto boss of these guys before O'Banion.

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2. Earl "Hymie" Weiss (1910-1926) A lieutenant, murdered in 1926.


His real name was "Henry Earl Wojciechowski", and he was the boss when killed.

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4. George "Bugs" Moran (1910-1935) Second boss, became boss after Dion O' Banion was murdered in 1924, moved out of town in 1935.


His real name was Adelard Cunin. Hymie Weiss and Schemer Drucci preceded him as boss. He became boss after Drucci was killed by Detective Healy.

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5. Samuel "Nails" Morton (1910-1922) A soldier, murdered in 1922.


He was kicked in the head by a horse, not murdered. Then Louis Alterie whacked the horse.

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9. Frank "Tight Lips" Gusenburg (1914-1929) A tough Jewish soldier, murdered in 1929 at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.
10. Peter Gusenberg (1914-1929) A tough Jewish soldier, brother of Frank Gusenberg, murdered in 1929 at the St Valentine's Day Massacre.


IIRC, the Gusenbergs were German-American, not Jewish, but don't hold me to that. I think Frank's mob nickname was "Hock", and the media came up with that "Tight Lips" thing after he refused to talk following the St. Valentine's Day massacre, but don't hold me to that, either. ohwell

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13. Ted Newburry (1919-1933) A lieutenant, murdered in 1933.


Newberry also defected to the Outfit.

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14. Albert "Gorilla Al" Weinshank (1920-1929) A soldier, murdered in 1929 at the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.


His real last name was Weinshenker, FWIW.

Also, only a small fraction of the North Siders were Irish-American. It was a multiethnic mob that has come to be (somewhat incorrectly) identified as an "Irish Mob" due to the prominence of O'Banion and the mistaken belief that Moran was Irish (he was, believe it or not, French). I think Ragen's Colts (under the leadership of Ralph Sheldon) might have been the biggest full-blown "Irish Mob" in Chicago at the time.



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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Didn't Newberry succeed Moran as Boss of the gang for a breif period in the early 30s?


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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Pogo the Clown wrote:
Didn't Newberry succeed Moran as Boss of the gang for a breif period in the early 30s?


Yes and no.

He defected to Capone in 1930 around the time of the Lingle fiasco and was appointed head of rackets that were taken away from Moran after the massacre. Also appointed as overseer of these rackets was Gus Winkeler, who is believed to have been the driver for St. Valentine's Day Massacre killers.

So he took over North Side rackets from Moran and was his "successor" in that respect, but as a part of the Outfit under Capone and then under Nitti until he was murdered in 1933. Winkeler was killed later that same year. I think they were replaced by whoever the first Italian North Side Outfit capo was (Ross Prio? not sure...). Moran remained the official and last boss of the North Side Mob until it sort faded away in the mid-1930s.


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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Thanks for the info. Do you know how many members the North Siders had at their peak?


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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Pogo the Clown wrote:
Do you know how many members the North Siders had at their peak?


No idea. I've never seen a total membership figure cited. I know of about 25-30 specific individuals who were IDed as members, but other than those guys I don't know about any other members.

BTW, do you know who the first Italian North Side boss was? The one who I think took over the area under Nitti.


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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Ivan wrote:
BTW, do you know who the first Italian North Side boss was? The one who I think took over the area under Nitti.



The earliest one that I know about is Lawrence "Dago" Mangano. Thanks for the info on the North Siders.


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Re: Irish Mob Charts
32. Michael "White Mike" McArdle (2002-Pr) A soldier, living in Quincy, reported to be still active


He is a fictional character from the The Wire season 2.


Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:41 am

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Re: Irish Mob Charts
Danny Greene Jr.? Anybody?

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Re: Irish Mob Charts - 04/05/12 09:32 PM

haha This should be very interesting. Getting my popcorn ready.
Posted By: BigIrish

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 04/06/12 03:47 PM

Love your charts! I like to see charts and other info on the Irish Mob. You don't see too much out there.

Actually, his charts on New York are spot on. I grew up in HK. Danny Green Jr. was indeed a member of the Celtic Club, but was not a heavy guy of course, he wasn't that old.
Posted By: danielperrygin

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 04/06/12 09:49 PM

Found an insert from Rick's book. It says he stayed close to his dad while he was conducting business around town and watched the car.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 04/07/12 04:49 PM

Daniel, thanks for your nice comments regarding my charts. I also thank you for letting me know about Ivan talking trash about me in another forum. Especially a forum that's private that people who aren't members can't see. I thought me and him let it go and things were cool. About the dude from RD who said Michael McArdle's on the wire and a fictional charecter, that's true, but there's also the Winter Hill guy with the same name. He should have did a google search with his name and the town of Quincy next to his name, and he'd notice there is quite a few things on line about the man, and that he has a brother named James. I'm sure he got his nickname as a joke. About Sean Cummisky (son of Eddie), I don't have the guy on my NY charts.

Also, they did start calling it the Spillane Gang after the death of McGrath. Thanks to all the people that gave me props, it shows you have respect. Ciao!!!
Posted By: BEENTHEREDONETHAT

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/06/12 03:56 AM

NJBoy55,

A few comments and corrections with regards to Celtic Club members and Danny Greene, Jr.

1) Brian O'Donnell is alive and well and living out in California.

2) Keith Ritson, not just a Golden Gloves boxer but Champ, not murdered in 1982 but on 11/16/78 (date of disappearance). Body recovered in 1982 when Zagaria turned informant, who is in the Cleveland area and has been.

3) Danny Greene, Jr. living a quite, obscure life in Cleveland area who does not support book, movie or notoriety. Also, there are five children (2 boys, three girls) not just one son.

4) Ronnie Carrabia deceased.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/06/12 03:58 PM


2) Keith Ritson, not just a Golden Gloves boxer but Champ, not murdered in 1982 but on 11/16/78 (date of disappearance). Body recovered in 1982 when Zagaria turned informant, who is in the Cleveland area and has been.

3) Danny Greene, Jr. living a quite, obscure life in Cleveland area who does not support book, movie or notoriety. Also, there are five children (2 boys, three girls) not just one son.

4) Ronnie Carrabia deceased.





If I wanted to flood my page about the life stories of these guys I would have did it. I just added a little bit of info about them. What's your point? Also, you're wrong about the year Ritson died. However, he was shot and wounded on the date you have. I didn't post all of Danny Greene's kids because they were not members of his gang.
Posted By: BEENTHEREDONETHAT

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/07/12 02:54 AM

NJBoy55,

So, so wrong about year. I don't know where you get your facts at but it was 1978 not 1982. You seem to take issue when people try to inform and/or correct you with the true and accurate information. Do your homework. My point, don't be ubersensitive if someone questions your knowledge of something, especially if they know for a fact it is not true.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/07/12 03:15 AM

Originally Posted By: BEENTHEREDONETHAT

4) Ronnie Carrabia deceased.


He is still alive. Lives next door to his son in Sarasota, IIRC. Orland is still alive as well.

Charlie the Crab is dead, however.
Posted By: BEENTHEREDONETHAT

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/07/12 04:04 AM

Ivan,

My bad, confused him with Ferrito. Apology extended.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/07/12 07:30 AM

Originally Posted By: BEENTHEREDONETHAT
Ivan,

My bad, confused him with Ferrito. Apology extended.


Heheh, no need to apologize, it's easy to get this stuff mixed up. grin
Posted By: CleveItalia

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/07/12 12:53 PM

I tried to correct this clown earlier in this topic about danny's son, and how involved he was. I knew danny personally, as well as his son. His son, for the 100th time, wasn't involved to the extent of having ANY major pull in danny's group. It;s more a case of guilty by association. NJBOY says he has "sources" that confirm this, nevermind the fact that he stole this directly from rick's book. I know rick as well, as he knows pretty much everyone left in the Cleveland area, I know his family, and I'm am such a fossil that as a young boy i remember his great uncle Joe, his other 4 great uncles, and his grandfather ray. So I'm a little confused on who NJBOY knows in the cleveland area, outside of what i know.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/08/12 05:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Ivan
Originally Posted By: BEENTHEREDONETHAT

4) Ronnie Carrabia deceased.


He is still alive. Lives next door to his son in Sarasota, IIRC. Orland is still alive as well.

Charlie the Crab is dead, however.


You are right Ivan. I will agree with you on that. Cleveland, take a hike. Let's not use name calling. If you don't like my info, that's your problem.
Posted By: CleveItalia

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/08/12 05:52 PM

I dont like your "info" because it's inaccurate. You created these charts as if you had done business with these guys in the past and used your "sources" to do your due diligence. The main problem i have is that you took information from a guy that did his due diligence, you tried to use it as your own, and then rely on it as fact when, in fact, the original source (rick p) never had danny's son as an "official crew member". That's the problem i have. Especially when the kid is a good kid, and has to live his life extremely under the radar because of people like you think he was involved to an extent of which he wasn't.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/08/12 06:00 PM

Rick did add Greene Jr. was a member of his father's crew in his book and I posted that info earlier. This ain't the Real Deal, they don't go for name calling here. Have some respect. You can disagree with me if you want. That's your right, but to call me names and disrespect me is another issue.
Posted By: CleveItalia

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/08/12 06:23 PM

in Rick's book is says he was a driver and occastionally ran errands. I use facts, you use opinion and misinformation. For that reason, i have called you a clown. How old are you, 15? you can't take the fact that you have used opinion and misinformation, and then you cry that i called you a clown? I wouldn't call that "name calling" and it certainly doesn't have a negative connotation as opposed to other words that can be used.
Disrespect you? You mean disrespect in the sense that you have spewed false information about a good kid, and then you cry about me disrespecting your opinion? Get a life.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/08/12 06:31 PM

You and your friend Carmela could kick rocks. Stay far away from my posts. FYI, I'm not this person you think I am named MobFan or Kenji. You and her have too much time on your hands trying to investigate people like you do. Please don't lie, you have to be connected to Carmela.
Posted By: CleveItalia

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/08/12 06:46 PM

what are we all doing here? we are investigating and furthering our knowledge on a particular lifestyle. That is the reason this board and website exsists. So when someone like you puts up information that is innacurate and based on nothing, and the other half of your information was stolen from a legit source and twisted so that you could make a "list" i feel it's not only my right, but others' right, to correct it so that everyone can have an accurate portrayal of what the real information is. It happens in almost every single topic on this board.

So now you say "i have too much time on my hands, Im in my upper 80's and retired so yes. You say I'm trying to investigate "people", like you. Well, yes, I'm trying to educate poeple on the action and situation in cleveland, past and present. So that when "people", like you, who have innacurate information, come on here and try to spew lies, the other "people" on this board who want accurate information can see whats's really going on.

If you're on here saying these things about good people, I can only imagine what's going on over at Real Deal. Maybe I should be on Real Deal as well to seperate fact from fiction.
Posted By: SC

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/08/12 07:50 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
You and your friend Carmela could kick rocks. Stay far away from my posts. FYI, I'm not this person you think I am named MobFan or Kenji. You and her have too much time on your hands trying to investigate people like you do. Please don't lie, you have to be connected to Carmela.


Cut it out, Boy. Leave the poison in the one thread you started about fellow members with whom you don't already get along. DO NOT cross-pollinate these threads with your bullshit.

I personally don't care with whom you don't get along (and that list seems to be getting longer) but you're not going to ruin the integrity of these forums with your accusations.

Get it??
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/08/12 09:49 PM

SC,

I have the utmost respect for you, Turnball and the other operators of this forum that I love very much. So help me God, I'm not starting a confrontation or being rude with anybody here. As far as this computer toughguy, he came on here attacking me and accusing me of being a liar, and called me a "clown," which is technically against the rules of this wonderful forum that I've enjoyed for a long time now. This individual was being completely irrational. He also won't reason with me. I am going to let this whole issue between him, Carmela and me go, and if I receive anymore disrespectful posts from these two, I will not say anything back because It's not worth my time. I have contributed a lot to this forum and don't want anything to deter me from using it. I'm very sorry if I made you upset, but know that I am not starting the trouble. Have a great night. Grazie en mi dispiace. (NJBoy)
Posted By: SC

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/08/12 11:44 PM

Cut the crap, NJBoy. You're far from innocent here. You yell about wanting respect but don't show any to others. Stop this nonsense... just stop it!!
Posted By: mrnorthside

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/09/12 06:05 AM

I've been a follower of Gangster BB for awhile but never commented. After reading some of the comments questioning NJBoy55 I decided I need to leave a comment, so here it it is:

I have to say after reviewing some of NJBoy55's charts and other posts he seems very accurate. Not one to pull $hit out of his you know what. Does his homework.
Posted By: SC

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/09/12 07:42 AM

Originally Posted By: mrnorthside
I've been a follower of Gangster BB for awhile but never commented. After reading some of the comments questioning NJBoy55 I decided I need to leave a comment, so here it it is:

I have to say after reviewing some of NJBoy55's charts and other posts he seems very accurate. Not one to pull $hit out of his you know what. Does his homework.


Is he as argumentative in real life as he is here on the boards?
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/09/12 08:03 AM

S.C. "Knock..Knock..."
Posted By: BEENTHEREDONETHAT

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 05/09/12 03:54 PM

I don't think people are questioning everything but when a fact of NJBoy55 is pointed as out as possibly being wrong or that someone might have knowledge that it is absolutely wrong because of their own knowledge than maybe NJBoy55 needs to listen and open up his mind to the possibility that what is stated regardless of what he has found to be true is not. Not all truths of what happened back in the day are out there for public knowledge. That is how those that truly know can pick out those that have been there done that and those that are just "wannabes".
Posted By: J_BIGGS

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/18/12 10:41 PM

Originally Posted By: BigIrish
Actually, his charts on New York are spot on. I grew up in HK.


No offense Big Mick, but while you may have been raised in the Kitchen, it don't sound like you was hip to who the players were. The guy who made the chart got some of the names, but the whole organizational part of it, like anointing Eddie Cummiskey as the #2 and people like McManus as even being involved in the Irish Mob, is guesswork and forcing a LCN structure onto these people.

Write your local congressman and ask them to demand that the fbi release the fbi files on hughie mulligan, john nee, and john sullivan. You'll get a broader picture of the west side. Much more than what the westies book offered.

bye!... JIGGS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 04:54 PM

Originally Posted By: J_BIGGS
Originally Posted By: BigIrish
Actually, his charts on New York are spot on. I grew up in HK.


No offense Big Mick,...


No offense, J_SMALLS, but that was uncalled for.
Posted By: DeMeo

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 08:52 PM

So was that.

When's my vacation?
Posted By: J_BIGGS

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 10:57 PM

Hey J Geoff.

Honestly, I don't think the guy would have taken it personal or as an insult. If he did, sorry guy. Where I come from that term is used in an endearing fashion. If he really grew up in HK during the era he claimed to have been, he ain't going lose sleep over it.

In any event JGeoff, you can have at it with me all you like. I'm too old to be losing sleep over name calling by some kid I don't know. What does ass me up is you sticking your nose in something that has nothing to do with you and potentially instigating a conflict between myself and the Irisher. If you want to attack me, go ahead. Just don't use someone else as your lynch pin or excuse to get something off your chest. If HE has a problem with me addressing him that way then HE can address the issue. Not you. YOU can mind your own business.

Have a good one...

JSMALLS
Posted By: SC

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 11:05 PM

Originally Posted By: J_BIGGS
Hey J Geoff.

Honestly, I don't think the guy would have taken it personal or as an insult. If he did, sorry guy. Where I come from that term is used in an endearing fashion. If he really grew up in HK during the era he claimed to have been, he ain't going lose sleep over it.

In any event JGeoff, you can have at it with me all you like. I'm too old to be losing sleep over name calling by some kid I don't know. What does ass me up is you sticking your nose in something that has nothing to do with you and potentially instigating a conflict between myself and the Irisher. If you want to attack me, go ahead. Just don't use someone else as your lynch pin or excuse to get something off your chest. If HE has a problem with me addressing him that way then HE can address the issue. Not you. YOU can mind your own business.

Have a good one...

JSMALLS


OK... he's new. But he's one stupid prick to speak to the owner of these boards like that. It's ALL his business, Smalls. You owe Geoff an apology.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 11:12 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Anyone wanna bet that this prick won't be here long?
time to take out the garbage!
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 11:31 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
OK... he's new. But he's one stupid prick to speak to the owner of these boards like that. It's ALL his business, Smalls. You owe Geoff an apology.

Maybe he didn't know. lol

But he's got some balls talking to anyone here like that after being here 1 day.
Posted By: J_BIGGS

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 11:38 PM

So if he told you to bend over would you'd do that too? Monkey see, monkey do, huh?

Sorry young student, but I really don't give a fuck who he is. It's none of his goddamn business as to how or why I'm addressing someone on here. It's HIS forum? Okay. Congratulations stud. But what I said to the kid was not done with any malicious intent. That's just the way I express myself. He made it out to be more than what it is. And so are you. All he or even you had to do was send me a PM and let me know that I should take it down a notch for whatever reason. If he or you have issues with political correctness that's your problem man. No one, save for you two, has complained thus far.

You guys wanna flex your tough guy muscles in public. Go ahead. Do it with someone your own age.

I owe him an apology? For what? You OWE ME an apology Mr. Consigliere. What are you calling me a prick for, ah? Was that even necessary? You don't know me from atom and you're going to go that route with me? For no reason at all. I'll apologize when YOU apologize.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 11:47 PM

Hey Jiggs, how's it going over there? Has the dust settled yet?
Posted By: J_BIGGS

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 11:48 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
But he's got some balls talking to anyone here like that after being here 1 day.


C'mon already with your christian right standpoint. I said nothing absolutely derogatory to the kid. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Guy's in Hells Kitchen call each other worse. You're not from there so how do you know how he was gonna take it? Hey kid! I meant no harm. Buy you a beer. Just take my ONE term I used in a post that you (JGeoff) found so offensive in stride and let it go already. It ain't that serious.You got bigger fish to fry in here, no? It ain't me you're lookin' for babe. It ain't me.

Salut!...

JIGGS
Posted By: J_BIGGS

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/19/12 11:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Hey Jiggs, how's it going over there? Has the dust settled yet?


Oh snap! Sonny Black! I forgot you was over here. Yeah the dust settled the very same day. It all got squashed. At least with Tommy Gunn. I don't know if David's going to take it personal when he gets back. What can I say man? It was aaaaall a misunderstanding.

Hey will you tell these guys up above that I'm cool people and that I'm as gentle as the good witch of the east. They got me pegged all wrong these guys. Judging me the way they are. Freakin' racists...

JIGGS
Posted By: SC

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 12:03 AM

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out, asshole.

On second thought, let it throw your ass out on to the street where you belong. Buh bye!!
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 12:03 AM

I can tell them, but I'm afraid it wouldn't make much of a difference. This isn't the Sit Down where you can say anything you want without repercussions. wink I will be back soon, with a lot of good stuff. Take it easy over there with the old guy.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: SC
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out, asshole.

On second thought, let it throw your ass out on to the street where you belong. Buh bye!!


Dammit! You beat me to it! lol

Now if you'll excuse me, this middle-aged "kid" has some programs to watch. wink
Posted By: Joerusso

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 01:45 PM

What kind of rackets is the winter hill gang involved in now a days and how is these new members loyalyty being proven
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 02:32 PM

Great question, Joe Russo. They still are involved in OC together, but not really sure what the current situation is right now.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 02:40 PM

i would say drug dealing, particularly oxycodone, is thier #1 monemaker by far as well as the usual loansharking/bookmaking.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 02:44 PM

I heard oxycodone is huge in Boston and most of MASS as far as drug dealing goes. Cali and Org It's meth for sure.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 02:48 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
I heard oxycodone is huge in Boston and most of MASS.

That stuff is huge everywhere on the East Coast. It's an epedemic. The Government just released some new numbers a day or so ago. Something like two-thirds of all fatal drug overdoses last year were attributed to prescription drugs. And of those overdoses, more than half were in the hydro-oxy family.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 02:50 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That stuff is huge everywhere on the East Coast. It's an epedemic. The Government just released some new numbers a day or so ago. Something like two-thirds of all fatal drug overdoses last year were attributed to prescription drugs. And of those overdoses, more than half were in the hydro-oxy family.
yeah its funny how the so-called legal drugs kill so many more people than the devils weed smile
Posted By: Joerusso

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 05:39 PM

but it cant be just drugs see, im an insider on crime period and involved lets just say ima big weed smoker anyway its really dry on the perks oc's and coke they just had a bust right in mexico for 750 last week in boston a street gang with mexico cartel connections got caught in federal sting and a shipment of 100 was caught the week before the raid to streghten the 2 year investigation, so it cant be just drugs and if it is they have a shit load of cleaning up southie and somerville/townie area thats for sure!!!
Posted By: Joerusso

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 05:43 PM

there has to be some type of white collar crime, labor and union stuff, internationl shit with ireland i mean there is still a lot big countryside in Ireland where shit is still fuckin nuts and with all these guys you mention i mean few are relatives of past members but what do they bring to the table... im from boston born and raised still here and know hardcore active players but are im clueless what the irish is doing ??
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/20/12 07:07 PM

Originally Posted By: Joerusso
there has to be some type of white collar crime, labor and union stuff, internationl shit with ireland i mean there is still a lot big countryside in Ireland where shit is still fuckin nuts and with all these guys you mention i mean few are relatives of past members but what do they bring to the table... im from boston born and raised still here and know hardcore active players but are im clueless what the irish is doing ??
i doubt they have any international connections with ireland. even when whitey was running things i dont think they had any real organized stuff going on between the two sides other than the once a year "shopping lists". at this point its debatabable how much organization/leadership is left as even at thier peak the winter hill gang was just a loose confederation of different irish gangs that answered to a few major players such as flemmi, weeks and bulger but otherwise were independent of each other. i think this group is closer to a street gang than a mafia family at this point.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/22/12 06:22 PM

The Winter Hill Gang are currently involved in Oxycodone & Vicodin dealing, stolen merchandise, auto theft, loansharking, extortion and illegal gambling.

At one time through WH gangster and Irish born Patrick Nee they had ties to the IRA in Ireland, but that was many years ago. That was when they were a lot more of an organized crime group.
Posted By: Joerusso

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/22/12 07:31 PM

Yea cause im from boston and have an idea whats going,on
With them thanks
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/22/12 07:38 PM

there isn't much left of the IRA anymore since the provishional ira disbanded/disarmed years ago and the real IRA split off. last i heard thier membership was down to around 150-200 hardcore soldiers.it seems like the only international criminal activity they are involved in is arms dealing with different groups in the balkans.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/22/12 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
The Winter Hill Gang are currently involved in Oxycodone & Vicodin dealing, stolen merchandise, auto theft, loansharking, extortion and illegal gambling.


What's the evidence there still is a Winter Hill Gang and that they're still into all this stuff?

When I asked somebody over on the RD this same question, they posted the stuff below. But, as I told him, if you look into these cases, they deal with crimes from the 1990's or going back even further. The murder Connolly was charged with was from the early 1980's. Basically the mopping up cases that stretched into the early 2000's.

Quote:
In 2002, member of the Winter Hill Gang, John "Mick" Murray was sentenced to 9 years in prison for racketeering, conspiracy, theft of interstate shipments, extortion, embezzlement, shaking down a Southie bookmaker, stealing computer equipment from UPS trucks and attempting to defraud the union pension and welfare fund.

In 2004, associate Kevin P. O'Neil was sentenced for racketeering, extortion and money laundering.

In 2005, former FBI agent John Connolly, Jr. and connected to the Winter Hill Gang was indicted for the murder of John Callahan, a Miami gaming executive with ties to the Winter Hill Gang.

*Also, there were a lot of cases of the Winter Hill Gang in early, middle and late 1990s



This article was also posted during the discussion and I think it's probably a good example of whatever's left of the Winter Hill Gang.

Quote:
Raids snare underworld suspects: Cops recover coke, cash and hand cannons

By Laurel J. Sweet

Friday, February 3, 2006 - Updated: 11:17 AM EST

A former associate of Boston crime boss Stephen Flemmi was among three suspected mobsters nabbed yesterday during a blitz of search warrant executions that began at 6 a.m. and stretched into last night.

When the dust settled, state police and investigators from Attorney General Tom Reilly's office had seized five guns, $115,000 cash from safety deposit boxes, tens of thousands of dollars more from private homes and more than a pound of cocaine with an estimated street value of $100,000.

Clearly, the underworld has not gone away, said assistant Attorney General Kurt Schwartz, chief of Reilly's criminal bureau.

Today's searches and these three arrests, Schwartz said, are the next step in what is already a six-month investigation. We have more work ahead of us. I certainly expect additional people will be arrested and the people arrested today will have additional charges brought against them.

A grand jury is being convened to advance the probe.

Arrested were: Thomas Ryan, 74, of Winthrop, in whose home police recovered $36,000 cash and a loaded .38-caliber handgun; Greg McLaughlin, 58, of Chelsea, in whose house the coke was found; and Scott McDermott, 32, of Everett, whose arsenal allegedly included a loaded .38, two .22-caliber handguns, a .45-caliber handgun and ammunition.

Ryan, who once ran with Flemmi, was indicted in 1996 and sentenced to five months in federal prison for interfering with investigations into criminal activity.

Schwartz declined to name the ring police have under their microscope, but said, We were particularly disturbed by information which has been corroborated about the use of force and extortion to collect debts and the degree to which the people in this group have access to guns.
Posted By: jace

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/23/12 08:12 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
I heard oxycodone is huge in Boston and most of MASS.

That stuff is huge everywhere on the East Coast. It's an epedemic. The Government just released some new numbers a day or so ago. Something like two-thirds of all fatal drug overdoses last year were attributed to prescription drugs. And of those overdoses, more than half were in the hydro-oxy family.


Even up in Canada. I have family in Edmonton, it has grown to a problem there also. If it is not worldwide already it will be soon.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/24/12 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: jace
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
I heard oxycodone is huge in Boston and most of MASS.

That stuff is huge everywhere on the East Coast. It's an epedemic. The Government just released some new numbers a day or so ago. Something like two-thirds of all fatal drug overdoses last year were attributed to prescription drugs. And of those overdoses, more than half were in the hydro-oxy family.


Even up in Canada. I have family in Edmonton, it has grown to a problem there also. If it is not worldwide already it will be soon.


Boston got the short end of the stick, laws have changed in Florida, but by the time it reaches Boston, people are paying $1mg
Posted By: Joerusso

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/24/12 03:52 AM

Yea its crazy in boston colorful for every organized or un organized group and uea drugs played a big part in fuckinf shit up
Posted By: AmericanCrime

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 07/24/12 02:06 PM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Originally Posted By: AmericanCrime
What about the K&A Gang..Oft overlooked. Particularly active throughout the 1960s-early 1980s. Viable anyway. Wasn't a cohesive group in the beginning. More like a loose confederation. Still noteworthy, tho.


I don't know what to think about the K&A Gang. They were not very known and only had a few guys in their group, not much of a mob organization, just a bunch of Irish thugs from Philly that dabbled in criminal activities together.

Wow I missed your response. A while ago lol...
Yeah I find them to be an enigma due to lack of information on them. It's true they weren't a very hierarchial bunch, especially in the early days. Leadership was a much more horizontal, and it was more of a network of "crew chiefs" involved in mostly burglaries in Northeast Philly which was predominantly Irish at the time (50's & 60s).

They did achieve notoriety though as the perpetrators of the Pottsville Heist and in North Carolina as the Hallmark gang. Didn't really become an organized enterprise until John C. Berkery rose up from the gang to start a meth enterprise with Ray Martorano. Berkery was also schooled by Angelo Bruno, was sort of like a mentor or father figure, from what I read.

Alas, what could be definitively called the K&A Gang died with Berkery's arrest. Altho there's been speculation over the year on who (if anyone) actually run's the Northeast rackets. Here's a thread if any of you are so inclined.
Philadelphia's Irish Mob
Posted By: DonMega

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 02/09/13 12:27 AM

wow great
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 02/09/13 12:49 AM

Quote:
.32 Michael "White Mike" McArdle

This is a true coincidence: there's a fictional drug dealer in The Wire with the same name & nickname.

So?
Posted By: stern49

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 12/16/14 11:21 AM

It actually is a very interesting coincidence, that he has the same name and nickname. My guess is they either gave the guy his nickname after the show or the show named the guy that after the mobster.
Posted By: jackdempsey1930

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 01/29/19 03:08 PM

did you know whitey smith
Posted By: jackdempsey1930

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 02/23/19 03:50 PM

Wow that chart for the Westies is off like a prom dress. Weather it's the Irish Pugs, West side Irish, Spillane gang, Irish Mob or the Westies, that Was a horrible attempt. I'll give you some food for thought though, if you ever read this (or anybody else for that matter) that will see the hells kitchen Irish a little different. Spillane had a big gang, let's say 100 guys (no less) across this country or Ireland he could go on if he had to. The 5 families during these times had between 500+ guys to the big families and 200+ a small family with 1000's of associates for each family. Costra Nostra was a force during the time of prohibition to the early 80's that no other criminal group will ever come close to achieving in this country again. Bigger then U.S steep, connected and deadly.

My point is, Spillane used to kidnap italian slippers for $100's of grand, plus other Irish gangs. Spillane in the hells kitchen was God politically and forcedfully. So Spillane 100 guys compared to 1000s of guys had to be really, I mean really fucking tough bastard. He crew was mean and feared. Conans crew, monkey see monkey do, his crew from the same streets, even worse than Spillanes crew. Italians feared crazy, bar fighting and playing Russian roulette for fun, killers. You see the shows and they tell in favor the Italians ofcourse because they are a well oiled machine. They stood the test of time, they earned it. But while Salerno fought fire with fire against Spillane by turning to his irish associate and irish gang boss (Sullivan) to handle his people. Sullivan as we all know hired mad dog to do what he did best. Spillane errored, finally misjudged Salerno who would always opt out of clashing with the crazy. He would say fuck it, let them have there area. We got the whole country. But with the J.J.C, Salerno wanted that cash cow and history changed. But while killing one boss in hells kitchen, he thought he eradicated his hells kitchen problem, he was wrong. Coonan and the boys wacked Salernos main cash cow (ruby) to take took over his million dollar country wide loan sharking operation. Coonan now had his arch rival, Spillanes guys coming to work for him and now he wants what hes he sees is owed to him, the Javits center. It's in hells kitchen, it's the Irishs neighborhood and he's now boss. Mad dog even begged to work for coonan, these new generations of kitchen boys put the shakes in hardened ruthless criminals. the butcher jumped sides to coonans as fast as he could. another point and I'll stop and finish this scribble. Do your research and you will see the coonan hunted for Salerno all day and night. coonan started to wack Salernos close personal friends. Naturally the genovese and the Westies split it and remain co -existing till this day. there were so called westies all over the city, you didn't know them, not flashy, you only know the dead ones and flashy ones. the ones you dont hear about or see are where they have always been. the coonans westies fait has been sealed. nobody makes money when there's violence and headlines. I can only speak for new york and what I know and there were other Irish crews in the city and irish guys comnected guys that they wouldn't fuck with. the Irish congregate and they all did work for each other and favors. people say loosely connected but it was more then that. favors, honor, comfortability. I know coonan and the boys loved and respected the fuck out of Burke. They would do anything for him at anytime. when he would go to the kitchen to have a drink with the boys or do business they would call him the godfather. But the were other older Irish guys (rockaways, Brooklyn, hells kitchen) that they feared and respected and would never touch. heavy respect and as you know coonan would kill just about anybody at any time. Not the Irish old timers, brutal dudes as was the Westies. alright, sorry for spelling, sorry if its hard to read. it's to long and my fingers hurt, I wont fix it. slainte
Posted By: Jshov31

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 02/24/19 12:28 AM

I know I’m late to the party but I did some time with Jimmy Murphy when I was at Fairton. He had a huge book collection and that’s how I did my time was reading a lot so him and I traded books all the time. Him and I were sitting at a table when it came across the TV that they caught Whitey. It was a pretty surreal moment. He just stared and then went in his cell. When I asked him about it the next day he just simply said “it’s just not good” and we never spoke about it again. He was as stand up as they come and embarrassed to be associated with scum like Whitey. Fucking guy represented himself and told me he had a hard on when he questioned numerous FBI agents on the stand. Fucking beautiful to see the smile on his face when he told the story. Sorry for the rant but seeing this post made me think of him.
Posted By: jackdempsey1930

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 02/24/19 05:57 AM

that's a real emotion. I don't even watch boston Irish Mob docs because of the 20 different sides to a story. But correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nee say when he heard of whitey' s cooperating, "he just finished the Irish"? . I mean, talk about microphone drop. If Nee didn't know that was huge blow, who would. I'm sure he's loves in N.Y.
Posted By: jackdempsey1930

Re: Irish Mob Charts - 09/15/21 05:37 AM

I read the book rogue mobster by mark silverman who claimed to be a winterhill gang somerville faction associate through his fathers connections to joe and leo mcdonald. In the book he says winterhill split into 2 fractions (somerville/southie) and joe donahue became boss/acting boss of the somerville faction, replacing joe mcdonald when he went into semi retirement. He even says while whitey was around the two factions had an uneasy relationship and were operating as seperate entities. The writer makes joe donahue out to be a very dangerous and feared. Having zero fear of whitey. More of a cautious, not to be trusted opinion of whitey. Saying the somerville factions policy towards southie and whitey was not to interact with him unless absolutely necessary.
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