Mobsters you can't imagine flipping

Many consider this the era of the "rat," but there are still some stand up guys bucking the trend, like Vinny Gorgeous did recently. Some other guys I can't imagine cooperating include Andy "Mush" Russo and Joseph "Mousie" Massimino, both have done a ton of time in prison, and seem to have those old school values. Andy Russo even had one of his sons die while serving life in prison.

I can't imagine any of the Genovese higher ups flipping, especially the ancient guys like Quiet Dom and Matty. As far as the under 60 crowd, Barney would cut his own throat before cooperating.

Then you have to look at the guys in that administration who are already doing life (like Angelo Prisco and Little Jimmy). They're the real tough guys. They'll never flip. Never.

There are others, but those guys just jumped into my to mind first.

Basciano and the Persico offspring.
Scarfo Jr. and Joey Merlino. Though didn't Merlino have an uncle that flipped? Granted that was also under the worst days of the Scarfo leadership.

No New England guys should really be on this list. Same for NJ.

well im not sure if this is about past mobsters or current. Obviously Sonny franzese and nicky scarfo. In the past neil and gotti never would have flipped as well as lefty ruggiero

From the Boston side of the office is willam wild boy angelesco the kid beat couple murder raps survived and a war and doing time for extortion with mouth shut and he's on peter limone Crew u know the guy that did 33 for the murder he was framed and kept his mouth shot too

You can go down the entire list of high echelon guys in the Genovese family and pretty much not see one where you wouldn't be shocked if they flipped.

As for the other families...

Bonanno - Vinny Basciano, TG Graziano, Jerry Chilli

Gambino - Dom Cefalu, Nick Corozzo, Danny Marino, any of the Gottis

Colombo - Sonny Franzese, Andy Russo, Ralph Lombardo, any of the Persicos

Lucchese - Niel Migliore, Joe DiNapoli, Matthew Madonna, any of the Pernas or Taccettas

Anthony Rabito, Nicky Santora from the Bonannos

Jackie Nose, any of the Corozzos, John Gambino from the Gambinos

basically all the old guys from the Genovese (NYC/NJ factions)

Stevie Crea and Scarfo Jr from the luccheses

uncle joe ligambi from philly

and the guys who were named in the previous posts

yeah everyone came up here with good lists...pretty much the same thing i was gonna say

can I ask. has the amount of made men to flip in new york reduced since 90'
s since people have started to plead guilty? luccheses last made man to cooperate was in 2002 yeh?

The amount of guys flipping actually shot way up in the 1990's.

1963
Genovese soldier Joseph Valachi

1986
Genovese soldier Vincent Cafaro

1989
Colombo acting captain Michael Franzese

1991
Gambino underboss Salvatore Gravano
Lucchese acting boss Alphonse D'Arco
Lucchese soldier Joseph D'Arco

1992
Lucchese captain Peter Chiodo

1993
Lucchese captain Anthony Accetturo
Lucchese soldier Thomas Ricciardi
Lucchese soldier Frank Suppa
Colombo consigliere Carmine Sessa
Colombo captain Greg Scarpa (informant since 1950's)
Colombo captain Greg Scarpa Jr.
Colombo captain John Pate
Colombo acting captain Salvatore Miciotta
Colombo soldier Alan Quatrache

1994
Lucchese underboss Anthony Casso

1995
Lucchese soldier Frank Gioia Sr
Lucchese soldier Frank Gioia Jr

1998
Gambino soldier Dominick Borghese

2001
Gambino soldier Craig DePalma

2002
Bonanno captain Frank Coppa

2003
Lucchese acting boss Joseph DeFede
Colombo captain Joseph Campanella
Colombo soldier Rocco Cagno
Bonanno captain James Tartaglione
Bonanno underboss Salvatore Vitale
Bonanno acting underboss Richard Cantarella
Bonanno soldier Paul Cantarella
Bonanno soldier Joey D'Amico
Gambino captain Michael DiLeonardo
Genovese soldier George Barone

2004
Bonanno captain Frank Lino
Bonanno boss Joe Massino
Bonanno soldier Genoroso Barbieri
Gambino soldier Frank Fappiano
Bonanno soldier Michael Maggio
Lucchese soldier Vincent Salanardi

2005
Gambino soldier Primo Cassarino
Gambino soldier Joseph D'Angelo

2006
Bonanno acting captain Dominick Cicale

2007
Bonanno acting captain Nicholas Pisciotti
Genovese captain Ray Ruggiero

2009
Gambino soldier Robert Mormando
Colombo soldier Joseph Compatiello

2010
Lucchese soldier Steven LaPella
Colombo soldier Dino Calabro
Colombo soldier Sebastiano Seracino
Colombo soldier Michael Souza
Colombo soldier Frank Sparaco
Genovese soldier Anthony Arillotta
Genovese captain Felix Tranghese

2011
Colombo captain Ray Maragni
Colombo acting captain Paul Bevacqua
Colombo acting captain Anthony Russo
Bonanno soldier Joseph Bonanno (?)

after guys saw that sammy flipped and got a good deal and wasnt whacked afterwards it opened the floodgates so to speak

wouldnt genovese ray ruggiero be 2011/2012?

Not sure. He had been in custody since 2006. Often these guys will start cooperating and it will come out a few years later.

Was Ruggiero essentially a jail house snitch then? I mean not of petty drug dealing behind bars, but of who was what in Florida, Genovese wise?

That mean the FBI was regularly going into the county jail that Ruggiero was housed at? They not reveal his informant status so that he could keep an ear with his crew and continue to collect information?

idk, i feel that if he was snitching back then we would have seen more genovese related busts and he would have probably been moved to a secure wing of the facility as opposed to cutting his sentence in half now and letting him walk out the can

It very well could have been after 2006. But it seems he had been cooperating before 2011 or this year.

Not to go off topic, but one guy I'm almost positive would have flipped, if he didn't get whacked, was Roy DeMeo.

Roy DeMeo now thats one sick f**k

You forgot to add

Colombo Capo Reynold "Ren" Maragni in 2011 and also Capo Gregory Scarpa Jr

Lucchese soldier Frank Lagano

Bonanno Acting Capo Joseph "Joe the Rat" Bonanno

You're right. Joe Bonanno was fairly recent, I believe. In the last year or two. I read that Frank Lagano was suspected of cooperating but was that ever confirmed?

And on a related note, the sun is hot and water is wet.

Alot did that took the oath ! Guess it wasn't worth the time, or the thing of the family ! Just saving their own ass !

Was Joesph Bonanno's identity ever sorted out? As in, is his name a pseudonym?

yeah the family got ahold of law enforcement docs that identified him as cooperating and he was whacked soon afterward you can find the stuff online if you do a search on his name

we are still waiting to confirm, thats a work in progress...

i personally think its bullshit (he doesnt exist) but we shall see...

Scarpa Jr. was a rat too? Didn't he beat up Vic Amusso in Allenwood?

i dont know about that i think roy might have flipped. i mean paul wanted him dead even though he was a major earner and was his top hitman. Roy was close to his family so he may have flipped for them

yes and yes

" In June, 1995 Greg Scarpa Jr. assaulted Luchese Family Godfather Vittorio Amuso at the federal prison in Terre Haute, Indiana, after Amuso had chided, "Your father was a rat! You should be ashamed!" Despite Amuso’s incarceration, he still maintains his position as head of the Luchese family and a seat on the Mob’s governing body "The Commission." As such, all five Families put out contracts on the life of young Scarpa, who was serving a 20-year sentence for drug trafficking. To keep him alive, the government transferred Scarpa to solitary confinement at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, where he would face additional charges of murder and racketeering. By then, Federal authorities had admitted that his father had used his position as an FBI informant to further his and his sons’ criminal activities.

Scarpa was placed in a cell adjacent to international terrorist Ramzi Yousef, who was being held while awaiting trial for being the mastermind in the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993. Scarpa would later claim at his racketeering and murder trial that he was recruited by the FBI to spy on Yousef, photographing diagrams Yousef showed to him with a secret, miniature camera. Scarpa would also claim he told the FBI about a terrorist plot he learned of from Yousef against a Prosecutor and Federal Judge. The jury convicted Scarpa on racketeering, loan sharking, gambling, and murder conspiracy charges, but acquitted him on five murder counts. "

http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_9.html

scarpa jr testified about some of his dad's crimes, the crooked fbi agent, and that al-qaeda member he was holed up with.

"The son of DeVecchio’s Mafia informant, Greg Scarpa, Jr. became an FBI informant himself when he was incarcerated next to Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the ’93 World Trade Center bombing. Greg Scarpa, Jr. had been involved in murders with his father. He claimed DeVecchio was intimately involved.

So why, then, did Greg Scarpa, Jr., currently incarcerated in Colorado, not get called as a witness in the DeVecchio trial? Perhaps because the raw intelligence Scarpa Jr. provided the FBI in 1996 showed that the FBI knew about terrorist “mastermind” Ramzi Yousef planning new attacks on the World Trade Center five years before 9/11/01. "

http://www.sanderhicks.com/DeVecchioWatch.html

something interesting about cutolo i found

"On the first day of the federal case against Persico, prosecutors quickly established a motive for the killing of Cutolo, whose body has never been found. Anthony Rotondo, a DeCavalcante capo turned government informer, told of numerous dealings and meetings he had with Wild Bill and his crew members before, during, and after the war.

Rotondo testified that he heard Cutolo refer to the elder Persico as a "rat" for admitting the existence of the Mafia during the historic 1985 Commission case. The witness also described Wild Bill as a Brooklyn-based "tough guy" who headed a murderous crew that killed several Persico loyalists during the 1990s conflict.

The Brooklyn-born Rotondo said his family followed the lead of late Gambino boss John Gotti and supported Cutolo's faction, headed by Victor "Little" Vic Orena. During the war, he said, he often met with Cutolo and others at various places in Brooklyn for news about the conflict and to stay abreast of several rackets his family shared with Cutolo and his crew.

Under questioning by Assistant U.S. Attorney Katya Jestin, he also related that Wild Bill had predicted his own demise in 1998 soon after he was elevated to underboss from capo and Rotondo saw him "strutting around like a rooster."

The forecast came after Alphonse Persico had asked the new underboss for an accounting of all his money-making rackets, Rotondo testified, recalling that when Wild Bill related the story, he added: "You know what's happening next."

Prompted by Ms. Jestin to explain his understanding of that last remark, Rotondo said: "Billy wouldn't be around too long.""

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/they-got-to-let-go-gotti-says-after-mistrial/40588/

What is so interesting to me ! Flipping has been done for years ! The pussy's that wanna do a deal ! This is not a new thing ! DUH!

Take the oath and rat ! To get a better deal ! Understand this the ole guys , whoops ! For the most part , took the oath and did , and died, for that oath ! Then ya got the pussy's ! It to the true ones a disgrace ! Give you a Carmela ! LMAO !

This is what you spent your 600 seconds on??

I remember reading at numerous sources that the Orena faction considered the elder Persico a rat for acknowleding the existence of the mafia. A side note on Rotondo, it was his house that Casso used to torture and kill Jimmy Hydell.

^^^ i didnt know about that side note, was that house in NYC?

Yes, somewhere in Brooklyn, not sure the exact neighborhood. The house was checked years later for any possible forensic evidence, but none was found. Rotondo's father was also a high ranking mafia member, not sure what family, think it was DeCavalcante family too, he was whacked in the 80's I believe.

Thanks for the insight, i always find it interesting when a Decav guy lives in NYC instead of NJ.

Obviously Carmine Persico would never flip.

Merlino and Barney are the only younger guys I can think of who wouldn't.

I'm sure very few of the leader sin any family would.
These guys(Joe Massino) who flip when they are so old are a ****ing disgrace. I can almost understand a young guy flipping, but these guys 60+ who do are just horrible people. I can only hope there really is a hell for people like them to burn in some day.

I honestly don´t understand this. On my part, I welcome all informants. I have no feelings for them whatsoever. And I never mind conflicting information or semi lies out of them because I have (we actually all have) still the opportunity to choose what to believe and what not to believe.
Seriously, I do not understand the negativity. For those of us who are interested in learning more about the Mafia, these informants are a necessity.
What would we have known today without them? We would basically be fumbling in the dark and our thirst for knowledge would not had existed to the extent it exists today.

CarloRizzo, aren´t you interested in finding out more about the mob?

I'm interested in finding out more, but every informant puts multiple guys behind bars.
I don't want to see the mafia weakened or eventually disappear.

But didn't you say here

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=633523#Post633523

you didn't like the mafia? So why don't you want them to be weakened or disappear? Have you suddenly started to like these murderous scumbags?
In my opinion, the ones to burn in hell are those mafiosi who protect the secrets of this murderous organization by keeping quiet, not the informants. Well, maybe the informants also should, but NOT because they betrayed the organization, but for the crimes they committed.

Actually informants are biggest scumbags,never betray anyone no matter what he is or who he is.If he is criminal be a criminal not rat.

Without rats it would be nearly impossible to convict bosses who don't directly participate in crimes. Informants can be used by law enforcement to put away many other scumbags, it would be much worse for the honest people if they didn't exist.
I am not saying informants are worthy of respect, but I don't care if they betray other scumbags, what matters to me is that they are CRIMINALS, often MURDERERS and flipping on other murderers doesn't make them better or worse as long as they tell the truth. If they don't and frame INNOCENT people, that's a totally different case.

The way i see it unless your the guy getting ratted on or part of his immediate family or even a business partner you really have no good excuse to give a fuck about the person or even go so far as to hate the guy snitching on him.

I really don't see the point of hating "rats" on the part of people who are not mafiosi, they are traitors only for the mafia, honest people should consider them just as tools used to damage the mafia. A tool isn't "good" or "bad", it's just a tool that can be useful. That's what I think about their betrayal of the mafia. If we are talking about the crimes they committed before turning informants, that's a different thing, they are scumbags of course, not better nor worse than non-informant mafiosi.

people that go around claiming to hate snitches but arent really involved with any criminal activity are delusional because they think they can identify with wiseguys and their street code. They think it applies to them in their regular lives, when in reality these wiseguys would probably cut your throat and leave you in a ditch if they had to.

Exactly. Well said. More often than not, it's the mob fanboys or apologists that always rant about hating rats.

I don't think they are good guys or anything.
But if the mafia is completely wiped out it will just be mexican/black groups taking their place. At least the mafia ia interesting so i'd rather it be them sticking around.

lol well said

Whats there really for mexican and black gangs to take over. their not into gambling and they dont have any ties to any unions and labour activity. Your local street level dealers would probably have to go to them for their drugs, worst case the gangs start taxing local drug dealers and criminals, but i doubt they are gonna set up shop in some white neighbourhood where they stand out. The local officials and politicians would probably go the extra mile to make sure that wouldnt happen more than they did when it was getting bad in the hoods the gangs originated in. I doubt you'll see any drastic change if the mob was completely gone, prob low level gang activity but i dont think youd get the same level as you would in a place like harlem or compton.

Well put, guys.

It's one thing if a mob rat put away a member of your family, or if you're a mob guy yourself. Then I can certainly understand your hatred of rats. But it's quite another thing when you're a 19 year old manchild posting on an Internet board. You haven't even lived yet, and you're making assumptions that you'd be a "stand-up" guy if you were facing life in prison (or death in the street). It's silly when you think about it.

you call it how it is... I like that

Every time there is a new mob bust, you'll notice that many of these same mob apologists have the same response. "Why are you bothering some old Italian guys?" "Why aren't you going after the violent drug gangs?" You see this kind of stuff in the comments section under the online articles all the time.

Of course, the feds are going after the violent drug gangs all the time. If people bother to check out the press releases of the federal or local prosecutor in any given city, or the FBI, they'll see many of them. But they don't bother to do that. They just feel they can comment on what article they happen to come across. And that article is often about the Mafia, which has always made for bigger press.

100% correct