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Listed casualties of the Colombo wars

Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/10/12 11:04 AM

I think Furio asked for such a list a month or so ago.
So here´s a list I have compiled with help of FBI documents and various sources on the internet.
Made members (to my knowledge) are listed with a (M).

First Colombo war

Feb 27, 1961 - Joseph Magliocco (M), Frank Profaci (M), John Scimone (M) and Sally Musacchio (M) kidnapped by the Gallos.
They were all released two days later when Joseph Profaci agreed to start negotiations with the Gallos.

Early May 1961 - Joe Gallo (M) fired upon but he escapes unharmed.

Aug 20, 1961 - Larry Gallo (M) survives a murder attempt at the Sahara Lounge. The attempted strangulation leaves a nasty scar around his neck.

Aug 1961 - Joe "Jelly" Giorelli (M) disappears. His clothing, stuffed with dead fish, is thrown from an auto in front of a restaurant the Gallos frequent as a message.

Sep (?), 1961 - Carmine Persico (M) found a bomb under his car. The bomb never detonated.

Sep, 1961 - An attempt was made to kidnap the loanshark Ruby Stein who was associated with Nicholas "Jiggs" Forlano (M). The attempt failed when Stein screamed his lungs out for help.

Sep 21, 1961 - Aniello Dellacroce (a capo in the Gambino Family at the time) is dining in the Luna Restaurant in Manhattan and is severly beaten by the Gallo gang.

Oct 4, 1961 - Joey Magnasco (M) found shot to death outside Harry Fontana´s (M) social club in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn.

Oct 18, 1961 - An attempt to murder Joe Profaci at a New Jersey hunting lodge. The manager of the premises is able to convince the Gallos that "The old man is not present".

Oct, 1961 - Shots fired at Forlano (M) outside his home. The suspected shooter was "Cadillac" Louie Mariani.

Nov 11, 1961 - John Guariglia (M) and Paul Ricci (M) killed in Ricci´s lounge. The FBI strongly suspected Sal Mangiameli (M) and Michael Rizzitelli as the killers.
Tommy Ricciardi was wounded in the attack. Rizzitelli fled to California.

Dec 2, 1961 - An attempt was made to kill Larry Gallo (M) with a shotgun. The assassin was driving a sports car and was disguised as a woman.

Jan 5, 1962 - At the Copacabana nightclub, Sidney Slater (a businessman extorted by the Gallos) attacked by Jiggs Forlano (M), Carmine Persico (M) and Donny "Shacks" Montemarano with a hook of some kind. Slater almost lost an eye.
Later Slater became a federal witness against the mob but his attackers were freed.

Jan 29, 1962 - Mike and Philip Albergo are shot and wounded while attempting to repair an ice-picked flat tire. The Albergo brothers are business associates of the Gallos.

March 5, 1962 - Several shots miss Salvatore Joseph Profaci (M), (the boss´s son).

March 11, 1962 - Two soldiers in the Gambino Family are beaten in a nightclub by the Gallos. Their names are not known.

March 1962 - Joseph Profaci dies a natural death. Magliocco takes over the Profaci Family.

Oct 1962 - Anthony DiCola and Marco Morelli, two Gallo adherents disappear.

May 10, 1963 - Johnny "Bath Beach" Oddo (Captain under Magliocco) was shot at while sitting in his car. But the only casualty in this shooting was the engine of the car.

May 19. 1963 - While sitting in a car, Carmine Persico (M) and Funzi D´Ambrosio (M) was shot at. I think Funzi was wounded in his leg, but Carmine in his shoulder. After impact, the bullet traveled through his body and into his mouth. This later became the myth of "Carmine spit the bullet out". Hed didn´t catch the bullet with his teeth!

June 6, 1963 - Emile Colantuono, believed to be a local businessman who helped finance the Gallo gang found shot to death.

June 12, 1963 - Shots missed Frank "Punchy" Illiano. One of the attackers, Vincent DiTucci was killed. Jerry Basciano (M??) was arrested for the DiTucci murder but later released.

June 18, 1963 - Alfred Mondella was killed. His status with the Profacis/Gallos is unknown. Some sources claim Mondella sold guns to the Gallos.

June 1963 - Joseph Cardiello (M) killed by Nicholas Getch. Later the same day the Profacis killed "Cadillac" Louie Mariani.

July 24, 1963 - In Hoboken, NJ Gallo gang member Ali Hassan Waffa, "Ali Baba", was shot to death. Suspected killers were Joe "Yack" Iacovelli (M) and Sonny Pinto.

Sep 1963 - Joe Magliocco who had succeeded Joe Profaci as boss, stepped down and Joe Colombo was appointed the acting boss by the Commission. In 1964, Colombo became the official boss.

Second Colombo war

April (?), 1971 - Rocky Miraglia (M) and Joey Cantalupo tricked into an ally where they were severly beaten by members of the Gallo gang.

June, 1971 - Murder attempt on Joe Colombo Sr during a rally in favor for the IACRL. Colombo slips into a coma which lingers on for years. He finally succumbs in 1978.

Between 1971 and 1976 several Colombo wiseguys were killed. I´m not sure if all of these cases were actually part of the war.

1971 - Dominick Famulari (M)
1971 - "Big" Dom DeAngelis (M?)
1972 - Emanuele "Nello" Cammarata (M)
April, 1972 - Joey Gallo (M) murdered in "Umberto´s Clam House", a restaurant in New York´s Little Italy.
April, 1972 - Gennaro "Fat Jerry" Ciprio (M)
Aug, 1972 - Four innocent businessmen shot at while dining inside the Neapolitan Noodle Restaurant. Two of them died. The killer had confused them for Persico guys.
1973 - Gino "Books" DaSilva
1973 - Johnny "Tarzan" Lusterino (M?)
July, 1974 - Jerry Basciano (M?) and Sammy Zahralbam shot and wounded. Both of them survives the ambush.
1974 - Gaetano "Tommy" Barbusca (M)
1974 - Tony Ricciardi (M)
Aug, 1974 - Stevie Cirillo shot and killed while playing craps at a charity benefit in a Brooklyn synagogue.
Sep, 1974 - Frank "Punchy" Illiano shot and wounded.

In order to install peace, the Colombo bosses agreed to let Albert Gallo and Frank "Punchy" Illiano become part of the Genovese Family. Bobby Boriello was put under Gambino´s protection. Basciano and Cutrone broke out and found themselves under no one´s protection.

Definetivly part of the war:
1976 - Jerry Basciano (M?)
1976 - John "Mooney" Cutrone (M)

Third Colombo war

June 12, 1991 - Frank Marasa killed.

June 20, 1991 - Vic Orena Sr (the acting boss at the time) is stalked by a hit team outside his home. No shots were fired though.

Nov 18, 1991 - Murder attempt on Scarpa Sr (M)

Nov, 1991 - Murder attempt on Benny Aloi (M), but the shooters just missed.

Nov 24, 1991 - Hank "the bank" Smurra (M) killed.

Nov 28, 1991 - Murder attempt on Larry Sessa and Ron Calder.

Dec 5, 1991 - "Black" Sam Nastasa (M) killed. His girlfriend, Kay Duggan recieved a superficial chest wound.

Dec, 1991 - Joseph Tolino was shot at. Bullets killed Gaetano "Tommy" Amato (a Genovese member) who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Dec 8, 1991 - Vincent Fusaro (M?) shot to death as hung a christmas garland on the door of his home.
Also on this date, James "Bobo" Malpeso shot in his chest but survives.

Dec 9, 1991 - Matteo Speranza, a 18 year old innocent bagel store worker, was killed when Orena hitmen walked into the store looking for Tony Ferrara and Frank Guerra. The killer was Chris Liberatore.

Dec 30, 1991 - Murder attempt on Greg Scarpa Sr (M) while sitting in his car with daughter and grandchild. Stepping on the gas, he runs over several pedestrians.

Jan 7, 1992 - Nicky Grancio (M) shot to death and Anthony Bianco wounded.

Feb, 1992 - During a shootout between Scarpa Sr (M) and Joel Cacace Sr (M), Cacace is shot in the stomach. But survives.

March 25, 1992 - John Minerva (M) and Michael Imbergamo shot to death. This was the second time Minerva was attacked. The first time, he managed to escape his attackers.

March 27, 1992 - Joe "Monte" Monteleone (M) and Tommy "Shots" Gioeli (M) shot at. Both Monte and Gioeli are hit and both of them survives the attack.

Apr, 1992 - Louis "BoBo" Malpeso Sr (M) shot at. (I think Louis was the father of James mentioned above.)

May 22, 1992 - Larry Lampase (M) shot to death.

June 4, 1992 - Thomas McLaughlin is shot at by Chris Liberatore and Gallagher (first name unkown to me). McLaughlin survives. An innocent bystander, Daniel Norden (a 16 year old kid) catches bullets and allthough serously wounded, Norden fully recovers.

Oct 7, 1992 - Steven Mancusi killed.

Dec 1992 - Richard Capuccano (M) shot at and wounded.

Dec 1992 - Bobby Tarrantola filed as a missing person.

Dec 28, 1992 - Unrelated to the war, Greg Scarpa Sr (M) was shot through his eye during a drugdeal that went sour. Scarpa survived after driving himself home and numbed himself with a bottle of whiskey. An ambulance took him to hospital.

May 17, 1993 - Jimmy "Ran" Randazzo (M) killed. The Cagno brothers (Rocco and Ray) with Salvatore "Torty" Lombardino were the killers. They were all under Orena but Lombardino suspected Randazzo being an informant.

Oct 20, 1993 - Joseph Scopo (M) killed in what was considered the final murder in this war. Dominick LoGazzo (M) and Angelo Marrone wounded in same attack.

Posted By: phatmatress

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/10/12 03:30 PM

thanks hairy good post
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/10/12 03:36 PM

Thanks a lot hairy this is a complete and well done list.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/10/12 03:46 PM

You´re welcome guys. I had fun doing it!
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/10/12 09:02 PM

great job!

we need a movie on the recent colombo war!!!!
Posted By: tiger84

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/11/12 08:30 AM

The colombos had guys like Ralph scopo,Cacase and wild bill cutolo waiting to take leader ship but instead the morons in the colombos went and fought for Carmine to still be the boss even though he will be in jail for life and his time had past.Its like benching labron james in 2012 and giving his position to michael jordan
Posted By: StreetNeapolitan1718

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/11/12 08:34 AM

Do any of youse got a full list of Each faction of the Colombo 1993 Wars ?
Posted By: Lenin_and_McCarthy

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/11/12 08:36 AM

Originally Posted By: tiger84
The colombos had guys like Ralph scopo,Cacase and wild bill cutolo waiting to take leader ship but instead the morons in the colombos went and fought for Carmine to still be the boss even though he will be in jail for life and his time had past.Its like benching labron james in 2012 and giving his position to michael jordan


Actually I could've sworn reading somewhere that a majority of the family went with Orena.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/11/12 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: StreetNeapolitan1718
Do any of youse got a full list of Each faction of the Colombo 1993 Wars ?


Here are the lists. But keep in mind that they are not complete and many Colombo members were not actively participating in the hostilities.
And there were members who switched sides.

These are the ones I know of, not all of them were made members of the Colombo Family:

Persico faction

Carmine Persico
Little Allie Boy Persico
Michael Persico
Danny Persico
Teddy Persico Jr
Andy "Mush" Russo
Teddy Persico Sr
Greg Scarpa Sr
Richie Fusco
Joe "T." Tomasello
Carmine Sessa
JoJo Russo
Anthony "Chuckie" Russo
"Black" Sam Nastasa
John Pate
Lawrence Mazza
James Delmastro
Frank Pontillo
Joe "Monte" Monteleone
Tony Ferrara
Frank Guerra
Hank "the bank" Smurra
Steven Mancusi
Joe Ambrosino
Alan Quattrache
Ralph Scopo Sr
Thomas McLaughlin
John Minerva (switched to the Orena side)
Michael Sessa
Larry Sessa
Ron Calder
Ernie Lapanzina
Jimmy "the Jap"
Eric Curcio
Frank Sparaco
Donny "Shacks" Montemarano
Joseph Baudanza
Nicholas Rizzo (switched to Orena side)
John "Junior Lollipop" Carna (switched to Orena side)
Salvayore Miciotta (switched to Orena side)
Jerry "Lang" Langella
John "Jackie Zambooka" DeRoss

Orena faction

Vic Orena Sr
John Orena
"Little" Vic Orena Jr
Benny Aloi
Vinny Aloi
Sal Profaci
Sal "Torty" Lombardino
Jimmy Randazzo
Ray Cagno
Rocco Cagno
Jerry "Green eyes" Clemenza
Jimmy "Brown" Clemenza
Richard Cappuccano
Angelo Marrone
Nicky Grancio
Joe Tolino
"Wild" Bill Cutolo
Patsy Amato
Joey Amato
Thomas Petrizzo
Tommy Cappa
Sonny Franzese
Joe Colombo Jr
Tony Colombo
Joel Cacace (switched to the Persico side)
Chris Libaratore
Anthony Liberatore
Joe Scopo
Dominick LoGazzo
Larry Lampase
Charlie "Moose" Panarella
Vincent Fusaro
Louis "BoBo" Malpeso
James Malpeso
Joe Campanella
Frank Campanella
Tommy "shots" Gioeli (switched to the Persico side)
John S------- (switched to the Persico side)
John R------ (switched to the Persico side)
Craig Marino
Angelo Leto
Frank "Chickie" Leto
Joseph "Chubby" Audino
Frank Cestaro (switched to the Persico side)
Louis Fenza (switched to the Persico side)
Frank Castagnaro (switched to the Persico side)
Mikey "Spat" Spatafora
Vincent "Chickie" DeMartino
Dino Calabro (switched to the Persico side?)
Joseph Compatiello (switched to the Persico side?)
Armando "Chips" DeCostanza
Ralph Lombardo
Dennis Guzzardo
Joe "Legs" Legrano (switched to Persico side)
Robert D´Onofrio (switched to Persico side)
John Baudanza
Robert Gallagher
Chris Barrett
Posted By: Scorsese

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/11/12 03:11 PM

thers only 58 guys. So were there other members that were sort of neutral and werent apart of the conflict?
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/11/12 06:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Scorsese
thers only 58 guys. So were there other members that were sort of neutral and werent apart of the conflict?


I´m sure there was.
Back then they had a lot of guys who were made in the 1950s or earlier. Most of the older guys didn´t get involved.
Álso let´s not forget that the list is not complete. But it´s pretty close.

Most of the guys listed above are the ones that got killed or took an active part in hit teams assembled by the bosses. The rest of them (on the list) had noticeably aligned themselves with one of the two factions.
This comes through in indictment files, wire taps and numerous turncoats.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/11/12 06:58 PM

Gioeli was originally with the Orena faction before switching
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/11/12 07:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Gioeli was originally with the Orena faction before switching


Thanx. I´ll edit it.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 02:14 AM

I believe John S------- and John Rossati were originally with the Orena faction before switching over the Persico side.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 02:33 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
I believe John S------- and John R------ were originally with the Orena faction before switching over the Persico side.


huge earners

heres some fbi documents on them check it out

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/mafia-soldiers-support-bush-cheney

"While the penalty is a significant one for a case involving a private home, R------, who owns several car dealerships, will have no trouble covering it. The Colombo crime family figure, in fact, is apparently New York's wealthiest hoodlum--and by a wide margin. In underworld circles, R------ is known as an ''earner,'' a valued mob figure who generates millions from illegal activities or legitimate businesses--in this case, the automotive industry.

While a recent spate of newspaper stories has chronicled the supposed disarray--organizational and financial--of New York's crime families, R------ is feeling no such pain. Last year, records show, the mafioso sold two Florida auto dealerships for a staggering $33 million in cash. His remaining business interests--which include Nostrand Avenue's prosperous Plaza Auto Mall--and real estate investments could make R------ the underworld's only $50 million man."

http://www.villagevoice.com/1998-06-02/news/the-wiseguy-and-the-wetlands/
Posted By: StreetNeapolitan1718

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 04:04 AM

I Think you are wrong about Sonny Franzese being with the Orena Faction because from what I read Sonny was always a top Enforcer for Carmine Persico.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 04:18 AM

Originally Posted By: StreetNeapolitan1718
I Think you are wrong about Sonny Franzese being with the Orena Faction because from what I read Sonny was always a top Enforcer for Carmine Persico.


actually carmine hated sonny and michael (sonny's kid) theorizes that carmine helped frame sonny for those bank robberies (i think that was the charge if i remember correctly) it was in his book

sonny was carmine's biggest rival but they got "along" for the sake of the family

"Franzese served as enforcer and watchguard over the crime family. His rise was cut short following a 1967 conviction for bank robbery, garnering him a fifty year sentence that was thought to have been trumped up by the Carmine Persico camp. Persico and Franzese would be bitter enemies during their prime and through the 1980s"

http://books.google.com/books?id=WzuzPiX...ico&f=false

thats a link to an old gangland of the fbi warning three colombo associates who had switched to the persico faction from the orena faction and who were also old associates of his son michael franzese that sonny had put out murder contracts on them from jail
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 09:18 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
I believe John S------- and John Rossati were originally with the Orena faction before switching over the Persico side.


You´re right, Ivy.
They are now added to the list.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 09:53 AM



Right. Here´s the quote from Jerry Capeci´s book "Gang Land". (Page 137):

"Franzese, has put out murder contracts on three old associates of his son from his cell in Petersburg, Virginia, the feds say.
The reason: associates Frank Cestaro, Louis Fenza and Frank Castignaro have switched from the Colombo faction aligned with Vic Orena to the one loyal to Carmine Persico."
Posted By: GerryLang

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 03:12 PM

I remember reading John Rossati was one main players in getting the war started. He went to a club asking Vic Orena to have Greg Scarpa killed after Scarpa assaulted one of his employees. Orena asked Roassati to provide him with vehicles to do hits, but he wouldn't go for it, and instead gave 50K for the war chest.
Posted By: GerryLang

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 03:23 PM

Wasn't Tommy Gioeli also shot, hence the nick name "Tommy Shots?" I also thought Scarpa and Cacace had two shootouts with each other, not one?

I think Joe Baudanza was part of the Orena faction, another name I didn't see was Dino Calabro, not sure what side he was on.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: GerryLang
Wasn't Tommy Gioeli also shot, hence the nick name "Tommy Shots?"


I will have to check that out. If correct, I´ll edit the post.

Originally Posted By: GerryLang
I also thought Scarpa and Cacace had two shootouts with each other, not one?


I only know of one shootout. If you can confirm a second one, please let me know. I´m striving to make that list as correct as possible.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 03:41 PM

Originally Posted By: GerryLang


I think Joe Baudanza was part of the Orena faction, another name I didn't see was Dino Calabro, not sure what side he was on.


I´m fairly sure Baudanza was part of the Persico faction.
He was put in a leadership role right after the war. I don´t believe Persico would have promoted him, not even as a reconciliation move, if he had been a Orena guy.

As of Calabro, he seems to have been with Gioeli at that time. He was alegedly invovled in a murder summer of 1991 with Gioeli. Gioeli switched sides sometime later. I´m not sure if Calabro also did, or if he stayed with the Orena side.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 06:06 PM

In 1991, Gioeli switched sides and became the top lieutenant and protegee of hitman Gregory Scarpa Sr.On June 12, 1991, Gioeli, Calabro, and soldier Joseph Competiello allegedly murdered Frank Marasa, an Orena loyalist, outside Marasa's home in Brooklyn. Gioeli allegedly murdered Marasa because he was involved in the murder of another Colombo associate.On March 25, 1992, Gioeli and Calabro allegedly murdered John Minerva and Micheal Imbergamo as they sat in a parked car on Long Island. Minerva was murdered because he was a Colombo soldier with the Orena faction. Imbergamo was a friend of Minerva's who was not involved in organized crime.

On March 27, 1992, Gioeli and several Persico loyalists were ambushed, and became involved in a high-speed car chase. Gioeli was wounded in the shoulder and stomach, earning him the nickname "Tommy Shots" and a reputation for toughness.
In 1992, Orena was arrested and indicted on racketeering and murder charges. In 1993, one of Orena's last remaining allies, Joseph Scopo, was killed and Orena was sentenced to life in prison. The Persico faction now claimed victory and Persico's son, Alphonse "Little Allie Boy" Persico took effective control of the family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gioeli
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 06:15 PM

also vincent "chickie" demartino and Michael "Mikey Spat"Spataro were with the orena faction before switching to the persico faction after the war

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/echoes-of-mob-war-reverberate-15-years-later/36398/
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Originally Posted By: GerryLang


I think Joe Baudanza was part of the Orena faction, another name I didn't see was Dino Calabro, not sure what side he was on.


I´m fairly sure Baudanza was part of the Persico faction.
He was put in a leadership role right after the war. I don´t believe Persico would have promoted him, not even as a reconciliation move, if he had been a Orena guy.

As of Calabro, he seems to have been with Gioeli at that time. He was alegedly invovled in a murder summer of 1991 with Gioeli. Gioeli switched sides sometime later. I´m not sure if Calabro also did, or if he stayed with the Orena side.


John Baudanza was with the orena faction

"Back in the early 1990s, Baudanza was a rough-and-tumble, up-and-coming Colombo associate. He and DeMartino, were on the same team of family rebels aligned with acting boss Victor (Little Vic) Orena in a bloody two-year-long losing effort to depose family boss Carmine (Junior) Persico and his choice to take over the family, his mobster son Alphonse."

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=571224

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/another-mob-surname-comes-to-the-fore/32161/

Louis Malpeso, Robert Gallagher, Joseph Amato, Christopher Liberatore, craig marino, vincent fusaro, tommy cappa, chris barrett, salvatore miciotta, all orena loyalists

anthony ferrara, Thomas McLaughlin was with the persico faction

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/115/155/568329/
Posted By: Strax

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 06:28 PM

Thanks "Dapper_Don".U always provide good articles!!!
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 06:34 PM

Yes. But that´s John Baudanza, who I believe later became part of the Lucchese Family. Joseph Baudanza however, seems to have been with Persico.

The Frank Marasa murder went down June 12, 1991. This was a eight days before the Orena stalking which really was the starting point of the hostilities. I´m not sure that the Marasa murder had anyting to do with the war.
But I will add it to the list, just to make sure.

I will also add Spataro, Calabro and DeMartino.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Yes. But that´s John Baudanza, who I believe later became part of the Lucchese Family. Joseph Baudanza however, seems to have been with Persico.

The Frank Marasa murder went down June 12, 1991. This was a eight days before the Orena stalking which really was the starting point of the hostilities. I´m not sure that the Marasa murder had anyting to do with the war.
But I will add it to the list, just to make sure.

I will also add Spataro, Calabro and DeMartino.


cant find anything corroborating Joseph in either faction, personally i find it hard to believe joseph was with persico considering his family blood was with orena but stranger things have happened in the mob before
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 06:44 PM

I`ll put him on a "faction unknown list".
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 07:57 PM

Ernie Lapanzina,jimmy "the jap",eric curcio, frank sparaco, donnie shacks montemarano, and joseph "joe" baudanza are with persico faction

armondo "chips" decostanza, ralph lombardo,dennis guzzardo is with orena faction

joe "legs" legrano,robert donofrio jumped from the orena to persico faction

check out the fbi documents listing all this http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/mafia-soldiers-support-bush-cheney

nicholas rizzo,John "Junior Lollipops" Carna,john minerva, salvatore miciotta defected from the persicos to the orena faction according to an old gangland from november 2011

"Along with Minerva, Carna and Salvatore (Big Sal) Micciotta, Rizzo defected to the rebel faction under Victor (Little Vic) Orena during the bloody family feud. But he took no part in the shooting war according to FBI interviews of several turncoats including Micciotta, Carmine Sessa, and Joseph (Joe Camp) Campanella."
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 08:21 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Ernie Lapanzina,jimmy "the jap",eric curcio, frank sparaco, donnie shacks montemarano, and joseph "joe" baudanza are with persico faction

armondo "chips" decostanza, ralph lombardo,dennis guzzardo is with orena faction

joe "legs" legrano,robert donofrio jumped from the orena to persico faction

check out the fbi documents listing all this http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/mafia-soldiers-support-bush-cheney

nicholas rizzo,John "Junior Lollipops" Carna,john minerva, salvatore miciotta defected from the persicos to the orena faction according to an old gangland from november 2011

"Along with Minerva, Carna and Salvatore (Big Sal) Micciotta, Rizzo defected to the rebel faction under Victor (Little Vic) Orena during the bloody family feud. But he took no part in the shooting war according to FBI interviews of several turncoats including Micciotta, Carmine Sessa, and Joseph (Joe Camp) Campanella."

check out the fbi documents listing all this http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/mafia-soldiers-support-bush-cheney


Great! Nice work Daps.
We almost got the whole Family here..! smile

I´ll add all of them on the list.
Thanx.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 08:27 PM

no probs, i always find the colombo war very intriguing.
Posted By: sickstylemob12

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 09:58 PM

Carmine Persico set up Franzese with the 1967 bank robbery ? Never heard that before
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 02/12/12 10:09 PM

Franzese made money with the Russians
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 06/22/12 09:33 AM

Originally Posted By: sickstylemob12
Carmine Persico set up Franzese with the 1967 bank robbery ? Never heard that before


Well, that was speculations on the street. I think it first was mentioned in the book "Body Mike" by Thomas C. Renner.
Joseph Cantalupo: "He [Franzese] was a man I think Persico feared, and I´ve always womdered if Persico had something to do with setting up the informers who testified that Sonny had directed the operations of some low level bank robbers."

Personally, I don´t think Persico set Franzese up. It´s more likely that the FBI framed him in much same way as Dewey framed Luciano in 1936.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 06/22/12 03:45 PM

even mikey franzese says he thinks it was carmine that set up sonny in his book blood covenant
Posted By: BarrettM

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 06/22/12 05:28 PM

Why did the Gallos keep beating up Gambinos? lol
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 06/22/12 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By: BarrettM
Why did the Gallos keep beating up Gambinos? lol


Sounds weird, doesn´t it?
The Gallo issue had been brought to the Commission. I think the Gallos relied on Gambino´s support in their effort to depose of Profaci. But the Commission meeting ended in Profaci´s favor. Perhaps the Gallos were pissed off at Gambino and seized the opportunity to give Dellacroce a beating when they (probably by chance) encountered him?

BTW, The FBI report does not mention by name the other Gambinos who were beaten up. Only Dellacroce´s name is mentioned. I have tried to track down the names of the others, which possibly could shed some light on what actually happened. But sorry to say, I´ve been unsuccessfull.

One more thing. For what it´s worth, Dellacroce was beaten up in The Luna Restaurant on Mulberry Street. This was a known hangout for Joey Gallo and some of his men. If the encounter was not by chance, could it be that Dellacroce was having a pre scheduled meeting with the Gallos for a talk but ended up beaten?
Posted By: Philip_Lombardo

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 08/13/13 10:14 AM

what was the exact list of Orena capos cause i heard he demoted a bunch of guys and replaced them with loyalists i'm just wondering who was used to replace who

(The Underboss and Consigliere were on the list of guys that Orena promoted to his liking)
Boss-Junior Persicio
Acting Boss-Victor Orena
Underboss-Joseph Scopo
Consigliere-Vinny Aloi

(*, means that they were one of the one's replaced)
(^, means that they were promoted)
Capos
- Bill Cutolo
- Patsy Amato (Promoted then demoted)
^- Joseph Scopo (Who took his spot or was he jointed Capo/Underboss?)
*- Teddy Persico Sr (IP)
*- Richie Fusco
- Tony "Black" Induisi
*- "Little Allie Boy" Persico (IP)
*- Anthony "Chuckie" Russo
*- Joseph "JoJo" Russo
*- John Pate
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Listed casualties of the Colombo wars - 08/13/13 03:20 PM

Crew affiliation not necessarily meant anything in regards to who the members were loyal to. What I mean to say is that while some soldires in one crew were loyal to Orena, other soldiers in the same crew stayed loyal to Persico. And most of the guys Orena promoted wasn´t necessarily members of crews that had been led by the captains he demoted.

The administration of the Colombo Family looked like this (1990):

Boss - Carmine Persico (IP)
Acting boss - Vic Orena
Underboss - Benny Aloi (IP)
Consigliere - Carmine Sessa

The captains were (just before the outbreak of the war):

- Bill Cutolo
- Patsy Amato
- Joseph Scopo
- Teddy Persico Sr (IP)
- Richie Fusco
- Tony "Black" Induisi
- "Little Allie Boy" Persico (IP)
- Anthony "Chuckie" Russo
- Joseph "JoJo" Russo
- John Pate

In a bold move (without Persico´s permission), Orena demoted these guys just before the outbreak of the war:

Carmine Sessa, Teddy Persico Sr, Fusco, Chuckie Russo, JoJo Russo and John Pate. He replaced them with Patsy Amato (promoted to UB, but demoted after a few months), Joe Scopo (to UB), Vinny Aloi, John Orena, Sal Miciotta, Jimmy Randazzo and Nicky "Black" Grancio.
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