british organized crime?

was wondering about organized crime in the uk.ive heard of the adams family and other groups referred to as firms. was looking for a little info such as size of the groups, territory ect. thanks.

the camorra had money laundering operations in aberdeen. we have triads russians but nothing which is very big. we dont kind of have a gangland culture like the usa

the camorra had money laundering operations in aberdeen. we have triads russians but nothing which is very big. we dont kind of have a gangland culture like the usa

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/13/uk-criminals-organised-crime


Between 25,000 to 30,000 criminals are involved in the "long tail" of a serious organised crime business in Britain that is worth more than £30bn a year, according to a study published today.

The home secretary, Alan Johnson, has endorsed a renewed drive to use tax powers to target organised criminals, taking even stronger powers to seize their assets, and shut down front organisations such as saunas and massage parlours.

The joint report, by the Cabinet Office's strategy unit and the Home Office, warns of an explosion in new types of crime as a result of the recession, with sharp increases recorded this year in the counterfeit goods trade, "phishing" – taking over other people's bank accounts – and other types of financial fraud.

The study does not directly criticise the performance of the beleaguered serious organised crime agency, but it does say much tighter oversight is needed by ministers to keep a grip on the problem.

The Home Office plans create a new strategic centre for organised crime to ensure that clear roles are laid down for tackling drug trafficking, organised immigration crime, and organised fraud. Further action will be taken next summer if a more aggressive approach is not achieved.

At the same time the capacity of the police is to be boosted by a further four regional asset-recovery teams to complete the network across England and Wales. Each will have its own tax inspector, and the Home Office is to extend the teams' legal powers to "reverse the burden of proof" in civil recovery cases, to make it easier to seize the assets of those involved in organised crime.

The data was published as another Home Office study called into question the credibility of Britain's controls to curb people-trafficking. The research, based on interviews with 45 convicted people-smugglers, showed that most thought Britain was a soft touch, with a low risk of detection and a market that conferred healthy profits. Many of those surveyed did, however, express surprise at the severity of the sentences they had received.

Terry Adams is the big power in London.

I read somewhere that there is a powerful organized crime figure in Nottingham nicknamed "The Taxman", a millionaire who is a business associate of Wayne Hardy, Dave Francis and the Dawes Cartel. Does anybody know what his real name is?

Theres a Taxman in Middlesbourgh - Brian Cockerill.
But he's more of a tough guy enforcer than an actual gangster.
He must be nearing 50 now anyway

No, this one must be someone else. The Taxman i have read about was mentioned in connection with the Gunn brothers from Nottingham in extracts from the book "Hoods: The Gangs of Nottingham - A Study in Organized Crime" by Carl Fellstrom.

there was a guy named viv graham in newcastle

He was shot to death years ago. We have a big gangland/villain culture up here in Newcastle. The main man at present is a chap called John Henry Sayers, who the police are after big style. He has several brothers and many associates and if you have any sense you don't cross his path!

yeah Terry Adams is the big guy down there... much feared and respected ...his brother patsy is one bad dude that you really hope you don't see.. or its your ass (usually) - Jamie Daniels from Glasgow area is also a real scary guy who is the big guy up here ...

what is a Geordie? ive heard different things such as a gangstar, someone who supports a local football team or just used to describe a person from that region of england. set me strait.

A geordie is somebody from the city of Newcastle and its surrounding area. Various areas of the UK have such names!

Scousers come from Liverpool

Cockneys are from London


Geordies like to drink beer, watch football and fight...so we are just a step up from cavemen really

I have met many my friend ...I prefer people from the north of England, they seem to be much more friendly than the south

Well said mate. As a Geordie of Scottish ancestry you will do for me

I know its not current/in the same vein as the other posts, but I always found the Krays to be pretty interesting.

Also, going back a bit further, Darby Sabini and the Sabini family. Of mixed Italian/English ancestry, they, along with the Messina family, are probably the closest London ever got to a homegrown mafia style crime family that was actually Italian.

yh im from newcastle and my friends dad was going to meet viv graham at a pub at new year eve but he never came cos gt shot by shotgun i believe

thanks for the responses guys. sure i could have typed it into google but getting answers from real people that live over there beats some shitty wiki articles or something similar.

One thing that's always interested me about Britain was the theft of the Marlborough diamond by a Chicago soldier, Jerry Scalise. The wiseguy has a very similar name to my own and him being a wiseguy outside of Chicago, let a lone the U.S. that and robbing a museum is something that always caught my attention.

http://youtu.be/Kh0pT18OFsw

for anyone that hasnt seen this, its the story of lee muuray, former professional fighter from london who is believed to be the mastermind behind the largest cash robbery in the history of the world, somewhere around $92 million, so much cash that they ran out of room on the truck and were only able to get away with a portion of the cash. i know that he had ties to street gangs in his youth but i was also wondering if anyone was aware of any org crime links?

They never found that diamond. I've heard a theory that it was recut into a bunch of smaller diamonds so that it would be impossible to trace. (Which makes sense - seriously, how else would you fence the damn thing?)

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Paul Ferris's books are a good read.

Then theres Curtis "Cocky" Warren aswell.

Also currently active is the Noonan family that reigns over Manchester. Were the subject of a documentary in 2006 - A Very British Gangster (or MacIntyre's Underworld)...

Can anyone find any decent documentaries on Glasgow Gangland ?.

Donal MacIntyre seems to be involved with some of those documentaries also but the ones on youtube are poor quality and hard to follow.

Heres a documentary on Curtis "Cocky" Warren.

Curtis "Cocky" Warren Documentary

It was a .357 Magnum

ah right. i hear it was a shotgun from my mate. what rackets was he in to?

https://rapidshare.com/files/3476677425/BritainsunderworldGlasgow.avi
https://rapidshare.com/files/3574734596/MurdercapitalGlasgowganglandkillings.avi

I haven't watched them yet though, so I don't know if they are interesting enough.

I recommend anyone here interested in the British gangster scene to watch the film "Rise of the Footsoldier" its a true story of the Essex underworld in the 1990s, very raw violent film def worth a watch!

Good film although not entirely 100% accurate from what i have read, close enough for a movie none the less.

Bonded By Blood is a newer movie with a similar storyline about the Rettendon Range Rover murders. Not as good as Rise Of The Foot Solider though.

Bonded By Blood Trailer

There's also "Essex Boys" with Sean Bean, I have always been fascinated with those Rettendon Rage murders, and those guys. They were a big deal down in Essex Tate in particular was a fearsome man, I think the film captures that.
I remember a few months ago on here there was a thread on the Rettendon murders and someone posted links to the pics of the 3 men dead from the Range Rover it was horrific to say the least!
It seems that only a few people believe that the right killers were caught for the crime. Lot of conspiracy theories.

Heres a documentary on Tucker, Tate and Rolfe incase you are interested NickyScarfo.

Essex boys is a good movie although very very loosely based on the story so much so that it pretty much bears no resemblence other than drug dealers and the range rover murders. Good movie though.

The Firm Tony Tucker, Pat Tate Craig Rolfe Documentary

Yup, that a pretty good film mate!

Have you seen the film CASS? All about retired football hooligan Cass Pennant, now an author, of football hooligan books not surprisingly!!

It's a good show apart from one blatant bit of bullshit. The scene where West Ham are playing Newcastle abd creep up in the middle of the night and smash a working mens club and everybody in it to bits!! Utter bollocks! What is true is that West Ham have never gotten over the fact that in the '80's a petrol bomb was lobbed into the away end at St James' when the Hammers were up here......

These football hooligan memoirs really are a load of cobblers at times

Yeah thanks man, I have seen this, I'm pretty interested in that whole case. I think the 90s were a pretty wild time with the Ecstasy trade kicking off, raves and drug dealings. Does anyone know if things have settled down in Essex now? I know that club Racquels in Basildon has closed down, and the whole rave, E thing is over. Yogi do you remember the Rettendon murders when it happened? I was only about 8 so vaguely I do.

Things have quieted down from what ive heard but obviously the drug trade is still very active. Good quality Ecstasy pills have made a comeback since last summer also.

No prominent in your face figures though. I remember it very briefly also i must have been about 8 or so also.

Yeah I'm from Manchester and things were pretty bad in the 90s, with the drug trade and gangs, especially in the Moss Side area, however I went back there recently and now its pretty modern and trendy, things have changed for the better in Manchester.

Yeah i remember it all Nick. I also read the book by a fella called Bernard Mahoney i believe. He also bought a sequel out about the thugs who took over the original crews rackets....but i forget the name of it offhand. ESSEX BOYS NEW BREED or something i think. Amazon will have it, another good read mate

Manchester crime is never one ive done much research on but it is on the list. Moss side i have heard a fair about though.

Bernard O'Mahoney's books are on my list to read also, his site is pretty good and contains info on the Rettendon Murders if you haven't seen it Nicky.

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Nottingham has been labelled with the tag "Shottingham" due to the gun crime and shootings we have had in the last 10 years its been ok for a few years now but that is because the Gang leader Colin Gunn was sent away for 35 years minimum for conspiracy to murder.. I think the book was mentioned near the top.. "Hoods: The Gangs of Nottingham"..

Terry Adams or one of his Enforcers I hope you are reading this
You are a Irish fucking pusy drunk fuck and I hope you get shot one day

As with the American Mafia it would appear that British, in particular, English organized crime has had it's day. For those interested I have listed below some of the most well known (and some lesser known) individuals with good stories to tell.

The Krays (the most well known figures on the London crime scene there are many books and websites devoted to the life and crimes of Ronald and Reggie Kray)

'Mad' Frankie Fraser (One of London's most feared enforcers. Around the era of The Krays and The Richardsons there are countless stories of Frankie, some reliable sources suggest his most well known and favoured method of enforcement was to extract people's teeth with a set of pliers)

The Richardsons (South London rivals of The Krays)

Freddie Foreman (Another heavyweight of the London crimescene back in the 50's, 60's and 70's, a friend and ally of The Krays)

The Essex Boys (Pat Tate, Tony Tucker, Craig Rolfe, Carlton Leach, three of whom were killed in the infamous Rettendon murders back in the mid 90's, they were a rising power on the Essex drug scene)

Roy Shaw - Lenny 'The guv'nor' Mclean (Two of London's finest unlicensed fighters)

Curtis 'Cocky' Warren (Liverpool based drug baron)

Arthur Thompson (The Godfather of Glasgow)

Manchester Gangs (During the early 80's up until recent years there were various gangs at war on Manchester's notorious Moss Side - Gooch Close Gang, Doddington Gang, Longsight Crew, Cheetham Hill Gang. For years they waged war on one another to control the lucrative drug trade in Manchester - Also worth looking into the Salford ganster Paul Massey)

All worth looking into if your interested in learning more about British underworld.

NickyScarfo, I live on the Essex / London border and work in Basildon. I have some friends who knew Pat Tate well when he was alive and i'm lead to believe he was every bit the nasty piece of work he was portrayed to be. There is still an active drug scene in areas of Essex and London. Cocaine, Ecstasy, Ketamine, MDMA etc are all easy enought to get hold of. There isn't a known prominant figure or family / crew heading up the operation, such was the case with 'The Essex Boys' hence why they and their murders attracted so much media interest, I would have been 8 also at the time of there deaths actually. The street level activity now is divided up into gangs of different ethnic origins depending on exact location or by local multi-cultural crews. Ultimately however there will be a key figure/s the further up the chain you go, they just haven't been named or caught yet.

Pretty interesting, but I would have thought that the Essex underworld at least was still dominated by English criminals?
It really is strange as to how the whole East End gang culture, which really wasn't that different from, for example, contemporary Napoli, just disappeared in one generation. With all respect to the movies that they make, criminals in the UK today are mostly either small time, too stupid or both.

That's interesting English, thanks for sharing, yeah I can see him being a real nasty guy, also he was a huge imposing man in stature, 6 foot 5 and 18 stone which probably led him to think he could do what he wanted. Have you visited that site the Bernard Mahoney one? Brutal crime scene pictures of the murders and some good info also. Have you been to Rettendon?
I think Tucker was more the brains of the whole thing, he also mixed with celebs too, I am a boxing fan and have seen him in pics with Nigel Benn and Frank Bruno. I think his name rang out throughout Essex.
Finally do you believe they have convicted the right people for the 3 murders? A lot of people don't agree.

ciccogol - What I was implying was that the majority of street level crime in the London / Essex area is now mainly being done by various gangs as oppose the heavyweight crime figures with major control. Whilst I'm under no illusion that the heavyweights are still about they play a lesser role, or have a lesser front at street level, the Essex boys and East End Gangsters were like celebrities in their day, well known in their respective areas for their activities and crimes.

NickyScarfo - I'd have to agree, his size certainly went a long way to his and others perception of himself.

I have seen Bernard's site. I remember seeing the original crime scene photos some time ago and then there were some rarer ones that circulated showing Tate and Tucker in the range rover, I believe they were taken once the vehicle had been taken away for forensic investigation, very gory as you can imagine.

Tucker I believe was a minder for Nigel Benn, a measure of the man that he was paid to look after a boxing world champion. I think whilst they had a certain degree of intelligence it was simply their violence that propelled them to the positions they held. They quite simply had a complete disregard for the status of other villains and would readily rip off fellow criminals and use almost barbaric levels of violence against anyone.

With regards to whether they have convicted the right people it's difficult for me to say, not all of the information has made it into the public domain and it's also questionable if the information which is out there is true fact. I'd definitely suggest there is still some grey area shall we say. I'd assume the only people who know for sure are the two serving life sentences and those that are not in a position to tell, Tate, Tucker and Rolfe.

English, I remember reading around this time that there was a kid of around 21, 22 who was said to be a real player in the Essex underworld, far more than Tucker etc. I can't remember his name but I know he went down. He ran like an empire for a time though in Essex.

The Gunn brothers from Nottingham weren't as big as people made them out to be. There were plenty of areas they held no control over. Even their own turf outside of Bestwood, there were people making money and paying nothing to them. A friend of mine said that cities like Nottingham, London, Manchester and Liverpool it would be impossible for one gang/organized crime group to rule completely. There will always be those "off the books"

Most of the organized crime bosses in England are still of White British descent ( most of them working class English, but also some of Irish descent such as the Adams).
Granted there are also some very big :
Turks and Kurds ( regarding the heroin trade )
Turkish Cypriots ( such as the Arifs, their activities can be compared to the ones of the English crime 'Firms')
Jamaicans ( the ones at the top of the Yardie gangs)
Nigerians ( the ones at the top of the Peckham Boys )
Black Brits ( the majority of the so called 'Black Brits' are of mixed race nowadays)
Chinese ( Triads are also active in the UK but mostly stick to their own community )
Vietnamese ( there are some big cannabis barons within their community)
Albanians ( they focus more on the vice trade )
Colombians ( their activities are mostly limited to the import of cocaine)
Somalis, Pakistanis, Tamils and Bengalis also have gangs with their top guys ( they mostly focus on the heroin trade )

I think the Maltese are done nowadays.
There are Russians active in the UK, but mostly for laundering money.
In general the days of the so-called 'stylish' and 'flashy' organized crime ,be it in America or the UK, are over. Gangs regardless of any ethnic origin are becoming more gritty, but just as powerful and just as dangerous.
In general the traditional white English crime firms will always be there and they will still be the biggest in England for a very long time, even with the emergence of more than a dozen other ethnic organized crime groups.
The most dangerous organized crime groups in the UK I've read about were still the English Firms such as the not so well-known but still notorious Canning Town Firm or other East End London firms, the South London firms or the Liverpudlian crime gangs.

PS : I'm not from the UK, but I did a lot of research on organized crime.

a proper family could make it big here. england have got no measures like the fbi have. to deal with real hard o.c. if somebody took the 'family' idea they would smash it like the addams did. and the addams were not amazing in their intelligence etc they were just innovative for england. very interesting

English organized crime is non existent and the gangs are nothing but 'chavs' scumbags who walk around with baggy trousers half way down their ass with hoodys fake jewelry, wearing cheap knockoff trainers and 'caps ' with the brim pointed backwards, then to add insult to injury of english pride they call other people 'blud' and say isn't it as 'innit' and 'ay it' they then trash peoples property and litter everywhere and they then call themselves gangstersjust cause they get into fights with other chav groups but really their a bunch of fa***ts

Yes, but if I published that I'd probably be sued.



Pure fiction I'm afraid



Thanks for your fake internet tough guy act.

I'd pass on your message but I'm sure you dont have the balls to put a name to it.



Leach is retty much a fake, low level football casual who did a bit of doorwork and now rights books pretending he was involved in the stories he picked up from other doormen.

He was never a player. I didn't even know he existed until he started writing his books but I know he wasnt anywhere near some of the things he claims he was.



They had a tidy enough firm but your right they never ran the city and I saw Colin take more than a few slaps along the way.


You do like to play the fake internet tough guy, don't you?

I bet you don't even dare go out at night for fear of these "fa***ts" lol

I'm from uk

U know nothing about uk organised crime and the chavs your speaking of are low level street criminals to say the lease. Something
We find in every country all around the world

Go to NY and you'll find 90% of the criminals are low level thugs whereas the organised crime individual aren't many

Now as for UK, this thread is about organised crime. not street crime. I think you've confused yourself based on a lack of knowledge. I can safely say there are criminal networks/ organised crime in every culture seeing london especially is very multi- cultural

The reason u think it doesn't go on is because unlike America, the police here careless about organised crime since most groups are very secretive and hard to penetrate

Whereas in US the government pump
huge amount of money in battling organised crime

And that along brings much media attention ( which is one of the reasons they do it)

In uk, there's hardly ever any mention of organised crime in the news apart from the arrests of the Adams family (doesn't mean organised crime isn't going on) it is

Just because Terry Adams is the only one on the news u read about, again doesn't mean there aren't other equally influential gangsters

I'm very familiar with London's Chinatown and let me assure you there are some very low key but powerful individuals down there

They do not walk around dressed up as chavs like u put it. They wear suits. They have a structure just like any other mafia family with capos (they call them "big brothers" aka dai low )

And each dai low has a band of low level followers who carry out the dirty work

Now these soldiers if you like to call
It that, are the ones you'll read about in papers when they get caught with a crime

The one who orders it will never be identified (again doesn't mean he isn't there)

Head down to Haringey green lanes that's like the Turkish equivalent to mulberry street in its heyday

They have various mafia families down there who run the heroine trade

The Baybasin family have recently made headlines but most others skip the limelight and you'll never read about them either

A question for British posters: how would you evaluate the degree of power of Christopher Bailey in Nottingham and Philip Glennon in Liverpool? I read they are really the toughest guys around there even though they aren't discussed much.

The Gunnies from Nottingham where just a glorified street gang who used fear against people, which worked. Not sure if there is anything left of this "family". As most of the top members where convicted of drug and murder charges..

The Bailey's are pretty much all legit now, go back a decade and they were serious guys. I've seen Chris Bailey in the flesh, year 11 at school (16 years old) in Radcliffe on trent, our school bus driver (6 ft 3 Jamaican guy, not to be messed with but a really sound guy) pulled in front of his mercedes on a t junction and completely blocked him off, he wouldn't move until all us kids got on the bus, would have took a few minutes as me and a few pals were smoking a joint, Chris hopped out his merc confronted the bus driver, they were arguing he dropped his name and the Jamaican driver shat himself and apologised, I was no more then 5 feet away from them, from what I understood Chris Bailey was completely legit at that point, well at least I thought so, he lived in a beautiful mansion with swimming pool, tennis courts just on the outskirts of Ruddington, (anyone from nottingham will vouch for this) must have been worth a few million pounds (middle of nowhere in rushcliffe) only 5 minutes from where I live, his house got seized by police saying it was bought with drug money. That's the only time I've seen him and I lived 5 minutes away from him for 18 years, he's like a ghost, very lowkey.

There's plenty of them left, a lot of young pretenders willing to do dirt. Colin's brother David is back on the street and living in Northampton, he's not aloud in Nottingham, he's calling the shots. Colin was a very serious guy, they were more then a street gang at their peak, he had 2 police officers on the payroll, douzens of shooters and they were into huge drug trafficking, talking tens of millions. Colins family must have MILLIONS stashed away, police never got to his money, they got to David's though.

About time you showed up in this thread, Tommy. I don't know shit about England and I have enough to do around here .

I don't know all that much about British Organized crime, just Nottingham based, It's weird how I met one of the biggest OC guys in the city, it was like Chris Moltisanti having a word in that guys ear in the bar when he met his cousin and his ginger girlfriend, crazy.

As for Colin Gunn, his name still holds serious weight, especially when it comes to family members. His godson lives about a 30 second walk away from me and my cousin robbed him, the goon squad soon came around though, a friend of mine got into a beef with him aswell, no word of a lie, I won't go into details.

Are these guys Black or White or both?

White. Only small time dealers are black in Nottingham tbh. Street gangs in the rougher areas like St Anns, Radford, The Meadows are mainly black.

Can any English people tell me how you rate "A Very British Gangster"?

I thought it was an excellent documentary. But I know nothing about Britain and can't rate it on accuracy or anything. Are the Noonans very powerful in Manchester? Or very rich? They didn't appear to have too much money.

Fake gangsters, nothing more.

Noonan had a really shitty car. I figured, even if he was a halfway decent criminal, he would find a way to get a Mercedes or something, given that its often important to these guys to appear successful even if they aren't flashy.

TommyGambino - Did you see A Very British Gangster? Is it really all bullshit?

Dessie at one time did really hold some weight around. But that was before he turned to crack and became a brainless alcoholic. And even in his heydays his power came mostly from the fact that he worked the doors and was one of the only ones able to keep the black street dealers in line. Dominic and his crew look like a bunch of clowns, act like a bunch of clowns and most likely are a bunch of clowns.
There're bigger ones around in Salford and Stockport.

Liverpool has some powerful firms that have a lot of clout due to their control of the movement of the drugs trade

Lot of the older traditional London firms now operate out of Essex and Kent

British are we talking about heroin?

Yes H, also coke is moved by the scousers


And the triads are big players in the UK for grass

Have any idea on where the Heroin is comming from?

I think its via Holland, although i am not 100% sure on that.

Most of the heroin comes from Turkish criminal groups. Liverpool groups mainly import it directly from Turkey. From Liverpool they distribute it to other cities in the UK (sometimes even as far away as Holland and Spain). In some places the Scousers both control the wholesale as well as the street-level sale. Some heroin also comes from Irish groups who themselves import it from Pakistan.

In London it's different. In North London there are already settled Turkish/Kurdish crime families (mostly Kurdish) who locally control both the wholesale and the street-level sale. In some other places there are Indians and Sri Lankans (mainly in West London) or Pakistanis (in several parts of the East) that are able to import heroin using their family connections. Again: both wholesale and street-level sale. Bangladeshis in East London are most of the time street-level drug dealers. In South London/Essex/Kent there are also local British criminals who buy it from the Turks/Kurds and from there on distribute it throughout other areas/countries (Spain is again a popular destination). In London's Southeast there are also Turkish Cypriots involved in the heroin trade, much of which is directly imported from Turkey. London's heroin trade is extremely colourful lol.

While local White British criminal groups are involved in the heroin trade to some degree, cocaine and hashish are much more important for them. Two places are critical for this: Liverpool and Amsterdam. In Liverpool cocaine is brought in from Colombia, while hashish is imported from Morocco. From there on you deal with the Scousers. The closest business partners of the Scousers are most probably the Glasgow based groups who then distribute it throughout Scotland and other places (there we go again: Spain ). Other smaller groups in the north and some in the midlands and the south buy it off the Scousers.
Larger London-based criminals have also used Holland a lot. Amsterdam has a shitload -and I do mean a shit fucking load- criminal organizations that import cocaine: you've got the native Dutch groups (sometimes connected to biker gangs like Hells Angels), settled Colombian criminals, Irish or Scouse criminals that settled in Amsterdam,... And if Amsterdam weren't enough the second biggest drug port in Holland is Rotterdam where cocaine and hashish gets imported by local Dutch, Moroccan, Curaçaoan and Moluccan criminals. London/Essex/Kent groups have a tendency to use small ferries to transport it from Holland to small ports in the South of England.

A lot of the local cannabis farms in South England are ran by Vietnamese criminals btw. Don't think the Triads have a hand in that. Triads, Albanians and Russians are a lot more involved in prostitution, human trafficking and weapons trafficking than they are in drug trafficking. Even though they sometimes dabble in that as well.

Always like the Turks. Funny how one can get introduced to them. I did it through soccer here in NY. That led to going to turkey. Then when my daughter got married. She lived in Berlin in Germany. Big Turkish population in Berlin. You can get anything you want in Berlin anything through those Turks there.

Nice people the Turks.

Cheers for that mate, good round up

A couple questions for you Brits. What is a scouser?

And also, anytime I hear about British criminals they mention "working the doors." What exactly are they doing? Does this really mean extorting bars and clubs?

A scouser is a person from Liverpool


Working the doors means providing security for pubs and clubs, this can also allow groups to offer protection and also control low level drug movement and sales

Correct me if im wrong but i think the term Scouser, originates from a dish(lamb or beef stew) that was brought to Liverpool by the Scandinavians in the 1700's

You can get a bowl of scouse which is basically a stew


Speaking of working the doors, a few of the top guys in Glasgow own security companies, which make extorting businesses easier!

Whilst Newcastle has all sorts of villians and hard men doing their own thing, the most notorious of late has been a chap called John Henry Sayers who has a hand in all sorts of devilment. Backed up by his brothers and some ferocious henchmen they are as close to "organised" as anything else up here, although he does have plenty of rivals. The police would love to lock him up but he has gone free at 2 trials s far. A touch of the John Gottis

I wonder how much crime would lessen if there were less black/biracial children from broken homes. I don't know the statistics but if I could hazard a guess, I would say that the numbers of biracial children growing up in single parent homes is disproportionately higher than other groups.

I don't want to sound like a bigot but I think Irish, Anglos, Italians and Jews stick together for better or worse and have a greater concept of family.

Is Sayers still active. I've heard about his family's blood feud with the Conroys and the Harrisons.

Fugitive British drug boss who got 11 years for crimes sought by police after going on the lam http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...ss-who-got-11-years-for-crimes-sought-by

he was in the malt vinegar racket...

Organization used insiders at London’s Heathrow airport to smuggle over £16 million worth of drugs http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...s-at-london-s-heathrow-airport-to-smuggl

Dominic Noonan was caught on cctv during the London Riots stealing TVs from the highstreet

That shows u how powerful he was lol

British career criminal shot in head and left for dead in Amsterdam http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...hot-in-head-and-left-for-dead-in-amsterd

Could be related to the murder of John Kinsella two weeks ago in Liverpool.

Profile of British drug boss Robert “The Voice” Dawes - “He was prepared to use extreme levels of violence” http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profil...oss-robert-the-voice-dawes-he-was-prepar