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ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster

Posted By: Atothej

ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/13/12 05:16 AM

Anyone know/have the most recent forbes or fortune richest US gangster list?


Thanks!
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/13/12 05:48 AM

they just had that list once and never again
Posted By: phatmatress

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/13/12 06:12 AM

they need to do another one.....i wonder how accurate that one was
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/13/12 07:53 AM

Here's that list from 1986. Not exactly recent. And take it all with a grain of salt.



#1 Anthony "Fat Tony" Salerno (Genovese) - construction, unions, gambling, loansharking
#2 Anthony "Joe Batters" Accardo (Chicago) - gambling, unions, loansharking
#3 Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo (Lucchese) - garbage, extortion
#4 Gerardo "Gerry" Catena (Genovese) - construction, gambling, casinos
#5 Gennaro "Jerry Lang" Langella (Colombo) - construction, loansharing, gambling
#6 Carmine "Junior" Persico (Colombo) - construction, loansharking, gambling
#7 Christopher "Christie Tick" Furnari (Lucchese) - construction, unions, gambling, loansharking
#8 Salvatore "Tom Mix" Santoro (Lucchese) - construction, unions, loansharking
#9 Philip "Rusty" Rastelli (Bonanno) - concrete, unions, loansharking, narcotics
#10 Vincent DiNapoli (Genovese) - construction, unions
#11 Ralph Scopo (Colombo) - construction, unions
#12 Russell Bufalino (Northeast Pennsylvania) - sweetheart contracts
#13 John Gotti (Gambino) - loansharking, robbery, phonograph records
#14 Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonanno (Bonanno) - narcotics
#15 Santo "Louis Santos" Trafficante (Tampa) - gambling, loansharking, narcotics
#16 Carlos "Little Man" Marcello (New Orleans) - gambling, real estate, nightclubs
#17 Frank "Frankie Bal" Balistrieri (Milwaukee) - gambling, liquor, Teamsters pension fund
#18 Michael Franzese (Colombo) - movies, auto dealerships, bootleg gasoline
#19 Vincent "The Chin" Gigante (Genovese) - unions, gambling, loansharking
#20 Joseph "Joe Negall" Ferriola (Chicago) - gambling, extortion
#21 Joseph "Joey O'Brien" Aiuppa (Chicago) - gambling, casinos, unions
#22 Gus "Slim" Alex (Chicago) - gambling, political fixing
#23 Vincent "Jimmy Blue Eyes" Alo (Genovese) - gambling, casinos, money laundering
#24 Anthony "Bruno" Indelicato (Bonanno) - narcotics
#25 Michael "Mike" Genovese (Pittsburgh) - gambling
#26 Joseph N. Gallo (Gambino) - pornography, real estate
#27 Philip "Benny Squint" Lombardo (Genovese) - construction, gambling, loansharking
#28 Raymond "Long John" Martorano (Philadelphia) - narcotics, unions, vending machines
#29 Anthony "Tony Pro" Provenzano (Genovese) - unions
#30 John "Jackie" Cerone (Chicago) - casinos
#31 James "Jimmy Nap" Napoli (Genovese) - gambling, loansharking
#32 Paul Vario (Lucchese) - gambling, robbery
#33 Carl "Toughy" DeLuna (Kansas City) - gambling, casinos
#34 Gennaro "Jerry" Angiulo (New England) - numbers, loansharking, money laundering
#35 Matthew "Matty the Horse" Ianniello (Genovese) - unions, topless bars, loansharking
#36 James "Jimmy Brown" Failla (Gambino) - unions
#37 John Riggi (New Jersey) - construction, waterfront unions
#38 Louis "Bobby" Manna (Genovese) - construction, gambling, loansharking)
#39 John "Johnny Dee" DiGilio (Genovese) - waterfront unions, gambling, loansharking
#40 William "Willie" Cammisano (Kansas City) - gambling, loansharking, fencing
#41 Vincent "Little Vince" Meli (Detroit) - steel hauling
#42 Vincent "Vince" Solano (Chicago) - gambling, unions
#43 Nicodemo "Nicky" Scarfo (Philadelphia) - gambling, numbers, unions
#44 Tino "The Greek" Fiumara (Genovese) - waterfront unions
#45 Donald "Don Angel" Angelini (Chicago) - gambling
#46 Peter "Pete" Milano (Los Angeles) - gambling
#47 Paul "Paulie" Schiro (Chicago) - gambling
#48 Chris Petti (Chicago) - gambling
#49 Angelo "Little Angie" Tuninaro (Lucchese) - narcotics
#50 Frank "Fifi" Buccieri (Chicago) - loansharking
Posted By: rg

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/13/12 05:28 PM

I would think the West Side crew has some heavy hitters..

Dinapoli is 10.. wow..

Crea

Bellomo

Matty Horse

Marino
Posted By: gemini_killer

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/13/12 05:34 PM

fat tony had some real money .. big money.. not sure if he had more than Tony Accardo.. he was a real wealthy guy
Posted By: Atothej

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/14/12 03:54 AM

I would guess it based off of land owned, legal eanrings, FBI reported I'll gotten gains, & position.
Posted By: phatmatress

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/14/12 04:17 PM

how could someone like mike geneovese from pittsburgh be above someone like scarfo who operates a much a big family in a much bigger city? just seems off to me.....
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/14/12 09:29 PM

Originally Posted By: phatmatress
how could someone like mike geneovese from pittsburgh be above someone like scarfo who operates a much a big family in a much bigger city? just seems off to me.....


Exactly. You can tell that whoever compiled the list tried to include at least one guy from just about every family around the country. It's really not based on anything. After all, in terms of personal wealth, where's Tommy Gambino on that list?
Posted By: phatmatress

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/14/12 09:47 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: phatmatress
how could someone like mike geneovese from pittsburgh be above someone like scarfo who operates a much a big family in a much bigger city? just seems off to me.....


Exactly. You can tell that whoever compiled the list tried to include at least one guy from just about every family around the country. It's really not based on anything. After all, in terms of personal wealth, where's Tommy Gambino on that list?
yes i noticed that....this was published in what 86/87? seemed like the media was even more in love with mob at that time then say now....the big commission case had just happened. big public hits....gotti....i can remember being younger and the last trial of gotti being huge! broadcasted all over! too bad cameras aren't allowed in fed courtrooms like they are in state trials...i would love to watch the bulger trial etc etc etc
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 05:40 AM

Mike Genovese also had no competition and controlled eastern Ohio, West Virginia and all of western Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh was strong at that time and dominated their region. Net worth was estimated to be $12-$15 million. Scarfo was not a boss for that long and his family was at war on the street for quite some time, somost of their operations were suspended. Plus Mike Genovese was dominating the drug trade in the region. I still don't think Mike Genovese was as strong as LaRocca or Gabriel Mannarino. Scarfo had to bend over and take it up the ass from some of the New York families and split gambling operations and other rackets with Decavalcantes in Jersey. Scarfo was a whack job, the Gotti of Philly. Stanfa would have had more discipline and was much more calculating and business minded.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 10:32 AM

Originally Posted By: JCB1977
Mike Genovese also had no competition and controlled eastern Ohio, West Virginia and all of western Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh was strong at that time and dominated their region. Net worth was estimated to be $12-$15 million. Scarfo was not a boss for that long and his family was at war on the street for quite some time, somost of their operations were suspended. Plus Mike Genovese was dominating the drug trade in the region. I still don't think Mike Genovese was as strong as LaRocca or Gabriel Mannarino. Scarfo had to bend over and take it up the ass from some of the New York families and split gambling operations and other rackets with Decavalcantes in Jersey. Scarfo was a whack job, the Gotti of Philly. Stanfa would have had more discipline and was much more calculating and business minded.


I consider Mike Genovese one of the great Mafia success stories, in that he completely got away with it and almost never went to prison. So he's like Accardo and Gambino and likely had tons of assets no one even knows about.

Though you're right that Genovese couldn't have been as strong as LaRocca, since the generational attrition was really starting to kick in when Genovese took over.

I disagree about your assessment of Scarfo's business/managerial skills though - by all accounts he was an activist boss who made tons of money for himself and his men. But yes his violent nature was his undoing.
Posted By: PhillyKid

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 03:24 PM

Ivan is correct. Scarfo was a very violent boss, but he and everyone in the family made a ton on money while he was boss thanks to continued expansion into construction/labor unions, drug trafficking, and the street tax.

Stanfa openly admitted he didn't know how run a bookmaking operation, he was literally NY's pawn.
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 06:13 PM

I agree that Scarfo was intelligent, but his paranoia caused many bad decisions that led to the downfall of his organization, which really has never recovered it's full power base. Genovese and LaRocca did run a tight ship, very successful reigns for a mafia boss. Pittsburgh in general had 3 bosses over a 50-60 year time period with Amato, LaRocca and Genovese. Another powerful mob boss who had a small family but reigned with peace and prosperity was Jimmy Lanza from San Francisco who lived tone 102. I think the smaller mob families from smaller cities had it made because it allowed for more political corruption without any competition. Much easier to corrupt the key political figures.
Posted By: phatmatress

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 07:01 PM

Originally Posted By: JCB1977
I agree that Scarfo was intelligent, but his paranoia caused many bad decisions that led to the downfall of his organization, which really has never recovered it's full power base. Genovese and LaRocca did run a tight ship, very successful reigns for a mafia boss. Pittsburgh in general had 3 bosses over a 50-60 year time period with Amato, LaRocca and Genovese. Another powerful mob boss who had a small family but reigned with peace and prosperity was Jimmy Lanza from San Francisco who lived tone 102. I think the smaller mob families from smaller cities had it made because it allowed for more political corruption without any competition. Much easier to corrupt the key political figures.
very true you didn't have 5,000 wise guys chasin after the same nickel!
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 07:06 PM

Yo JCB, I kinda agree about Stanfa, I'm curious to see how his reign would have been if he hadn't had gone to war with the Merlino faction.

Oh, and Jimmy Lanza, did San Fran have a few crews on the street or what? That city never struck me as wiseguy oriented.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 07:18 PM

Originally Posted By: JCB1977
I agree that Scarfo was intelligent, but his paranoia caused many bad decisions that led to the downfall of his organization, which really has never recovered it's full power base. Genovese and LaRocca did run a tight ship, very successful reigns for a mafia boss. Pittsburgh in general had 3 bosses over a 50-60 year time period with Amato, LaRocca and Genovese. Another powerful mob boss who had a small family but reigned with peace and prosperity was Jimmy Lanza from San Francisco who lived tone 102. I think the smaller mob families from smaller cities had it made because it allowed for more political corruption without any competition. Much easier to corrupt the key political figures.


The thing is Genovese could be lethal when he wanted to be. But he didn't use violence indiscriminately. The only exception to this I can thing of was when Lenny Strollo lost it and started having people shot right and left in 1996, but I get the feeling he did that w/o Genovese's approval. But where Genovese really excelled was in insulating himself. Because of his insulation, he died a zillionaire living in a mansion instead of dying in jail like Scarfo will. The "rape" of Youngstown, the flooding of Pittsburgh and the area around it with narcotics... Genovese both profited from and totally got away with all of that.
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 07:41 PM

Here is some interesting reading on San Fancisco Crime boss Jimmy Lanza:

1. http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mafiasf.htm

2. http://jrrusso.blogspot.com/2011/04/san-francisco-crime-family.html
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 07:46 PM

I agree totally. Youngstown, although under the control of Pittsburgh, was out of control but Genovese "NEVER" met with the Youngstown guys. It was always Henry "Zebo" Zottola who met with Strollo and Bernie "The Jew" Altshuler. Genovese would only meet with Porter and Raucci according to Roger Greenbank, head of the Pittsburgh FBI's office. He had told me that with all the video surveillance at the car dealership that Genovese was employed at, that he would walk outside like John Gotti for a walk and talk, but ONLY with Porter and Raucci in the late 80's before the indictments of Porter & Raucci. Raucci died in prison and Porter cooperated but perjured himself on the stand during his trial which rendered him useless as a prosecution witness.
Posted By: JCB1977

Re: ISO Forbes/fortune most recent richest US gangster - 01/15/12 07:47 PM

Here is some interesting reading on San Fancisco Crime boss Jimmy Lanza:

1. http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mafiasf.htm

2. http://jrrusso.blogspot.com/2011/04/san-francisco-crime-family.html
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