Philly LCN update

A member on the other site has posted how he has made some new philly lcn contacts and has gained some new info

Chang was in NY around the week of NYE to meet w Ny Lcn

Boss: Joey
Acting Boss: Mazzone
Underboss/Street Boss: Chang

They met in Philly, or did Chang go to NY?

Supposedly he went to philly. Thats what mscott said on real deal. Hes the Detroit guy but hes doing a book on Phil Leonetti I think. But this is basically what we all thought. But I still believe Ligambi to pull. He was close with those guys as well.

I meant he went to New york...sorry.

Genovese or Gambinos??

Probably Genovese, haven't they always been entrenched with the Philly guys?

Oh and there's a piece I've read about the Genovese paying tribute to Uncle Joe back in '01 for having a card game or a book making operation in Philly's Jersey territory.

wasnt there some NY guys that Anastasia mentioned where at Staino's wedding as well paying respects to Philly?

pretty sure it was prob the Genovese, Scarfo Jr was best friends with Andrew Merola who ran NJ for the Gambinos before being taken down, so maybe Joey's guys met with the West Side

Good to see a thread about Philly back on the forum

My guess would be the Genoveses also, but i highly doubt Merlino is the boss after all that happened. And its not likely that things will go back to the 90s. Ligambi will hold the official title of boss, since this will suit the new regime.

i read in the last gangster that NY offered Merlino the role of Boss of Philly but he didnt want it "officially" due to all the heat and then that title went to Natale, Joey knew he would really be able to run the family with Natale as his Uncle Junior anybody know anything about this?

like Casso/Amuso a little bit

I read it also, wasnt it the other way around? Natale thought that he got an OK from New York. I doubt that NY would let Merlino be boss, they dont want another John Gotti.

^^^cant find the quote in the book online now but I could be wrong and have it the other way around

a poster over on read deal was saying that another poster was telling him that once Joey Merlino was up in NY hanging out with some Colombo guys, this was before he went away to jail the last time. He said they were on a gambling boat/ship. He said the Colombo guys said they really liked Joey.

It just doesnt make any sense, its not Joey Merlino is Cosa Nostra. Ligambi is, and still is. I didnt expect him to leave the life, but i did not expect him to become a boss. But on the other hand, there isnt anyone left to take the reigns.

yeah i think ligambi will remain the official boss till his death and joey is prob acting boss and mazzone the street boss and chang the underboss

that same poster wrote the following post up, hes writing a book on leonetti

"Leonetti book is set to hit stores September 15 - in addition to the whole lowdown from the Bruno-Scarfo era, the story also brings Philly LCN saga up to 2011 indictment.

To clear things up, this source (LE) didnt say Ligambi was out of the picture.

I asked him what the current pecking order on the street was and he said; Joey in Florida has final say on things & gets a fat envelope every month, while Stevie has final say in Philly and Johnny Chang is basically the go-between for Joey and Stevie and everyone else, delivering orders to the capos.

I know for a fact that Johnny Chang was in NYC for a meeting on December 30 because I saw the surveillance photos."

Whats the mickey mouse connection>>?

I wonder how scarfo and uncle joe are getting along. Is georgie in phila or did they send his porky pig looking ass back to the sticks.

Are you guys sure about chang? I was under the impression that he didn't want anything to do with the Phila LCN. They used his dads mugshot for the next planet of the apes movie coming out. I did community service with Johnny Chang back in the day at the Philadelphia Zoo cleaning up shit for 8 hours

When the cops used to go after his father he swung around that ugly loooking thing for the lion king

And Ligambi is cool with this or does it out of affection and sympathy for Merlino?

check these videos out

"Anastasia says that Merlino favored Mazzone as acting boss, while Ligambi favored Ciancagilni."

http://fivefamiliesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/05/whos-new-philadelphia-mob-boss.html

http://fivefamiliesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/05/fbi-busts-philly-mob-new-boss-named.html

Uncle Joe is prob being watched like a hawk by the feds but i think Joey will take care of Uncle Joe and send some envelopes to Ligambi's family... Uncle Joe is prob like I had a great run and has stepped aside for the other guys on the outside to take over but who knows... maybe he will remain boss of the family just in name like Amuso or Persico

So they got surveillance photos of the meeting? Guess it wasnt a secret meeting after all. I am not sure how it will work out for Joey, i mean running things from Florida? So can we assume he wont be back in Philly for a very long time? And we all know that Joe Ligambi is done, he will retain official title just to keep under the radar. He wont have much to live anywways, hes not the youngest around.

George Anastasia with a new mob scene

http://fivefamiliesnyc.blogspot.com/2012/01/what-is-philly-mob-hierarchy-and-what.html

Nothing new and nothing special with the new Mob Scene.

yeah what a crock of shit..george

Since some of you seem to know about Philly, can you answer this? Why did Angelo Bruno prohibit his crews from moving into AC once gambling became legal there?

I am sick and tired of hearing the term ''Racketeering Lite''from the Philly guys lawyers that are on trial[in Sept.]If it is such a minimal charge because there are no weapons,murders,actual assults why did they [the lawyers]asak the prosecution to drop this charge and that charge.Maybe its because no matter how relevant the charges are Uncle Joe and some of them can be facing 20 yrs.Usually when somebody commits a crime you see the maximum sentece could be 20 yrs.,but usually the every day Joe doesn't get that.But in this case say Ligambi is found guilty now you have a judge that can put him away legally for a long long time.Its obivous that Uncle Joe basically walked on that 2nd trial in the Frankie flowers hit.I mean nothing changed from 1 trial to the next but yet he was found not guilty.Now a judge has the ability to un-do that like it never happened.So if I was these Mob big-wigs I would be worrying a little bit.

I haven't done any research lately because I'm tired of reading the same material. But does anyone know anymore shit about frankie flowers..Bascially rhe media dubbed him the don and scarfo killed him what other beef was there was he into drugs or what rackets

"Hundreds of guys depended on Paulie and he got a piece of everything they made. And it was tribute, just like in the old country, except they were doing it here in America. And all they got from Paulie was protection from other guys looking to rip them off. And that's what it's all about. That's what the FBI could never understand. That what Paulie and the organization does is offer protection for people who can't go to the cops. That's it. That's all it is. They're like the police department for wiseguys."


sorry for derailing the thread but i just had to post this somewhere lol

Anyone hear of other crews operating in Phila that are independent of the LCN ? I'am sure the local zips don't kick in to anyone ?

Well, there was/is the 10th and O Gang.

There might be a war soon. There's been a big conflict over some rackets and people breaking the chain of command.

A lot of people are ratting because of that huge oxycodone bust thats mobbed up...the media could have a field day with that when that goes to court

I was thinking other Italian groups or even made/associates. That refuse to pay or be involved with Ligambi's crew ?not the 10th and. O gang !

Theres still social clubs and independent operators doing their own thing. Alot of friends I know that have had kids lately have either moved out to washington township in jersey or out towards king of prussia..getting out of south phila buy a small townhouse and start up a book after knowing your neigbors for a few years it works out for some people.

DICKNOSE, can you elaborate on the conflicts over rackets.. Any kep Philly mob figures involved? thanks pal

To Dick Nose Moltasanti as far as I know Frankie Flowers got whacked for the so called term ''not paying tribute to the mob''Apparantley Scarfo wanted a piece of everything and some old school guys like D'Alfonso refused to do so.

Word has been around for a long time that a zip crew from Calabria in South Philly and the rest of the city. I highly doubt they kick anything to the Philly LCN because the feds still have no info on who these guys are.

My safe bet is they are mostly using guys here on "vacation" guys from Italy (including immigrants from places like Albania and Romania) that stay here for a bit do the crimes then head back.

I also heard of a group from Calabria that operates in South Phila ! They say this guy owns restaurants , but I'am not sure who or what the names of the places are ?

Underworld Ganging Up?
Feds say infamous Italian crews may be working out of South Philly eatery.
by By Brendan McGarvey and Gabriele J. Valentine
Sep 26, 2007


There's a little restaurant in South Philly that some consider a mafia hangout, but nobody in law enforcement is quite sure what mob the guys there belong to. Some patrons are Italian immigrants who regularly travel between South Philly and southern Italy. They speak English with thick Italian accents and a few dress more like European bankers than street-corner toughs.

The owner of the restaurant — which, for the time being, will go unidentified — is from somewhere in Italy. While a source claims the owner is from Naples, most of the owner's friends are Sicilian, and they treat the owner with "boss" deference. Says one eyewitness, there is "a lot of kissing on the cheeks and clasping of hands."

During the day, Italian immigrants from the neighborhood and men from as far away as Toronto and Naples visit the owner and his men. In several rooms above the restaurant, there are meetings, card games and parties almost every night. One law enforcement source tells City Paper the owner runs a loan-shark operation and construction company.

"The owner is back and forth between Philly and Sicily a lot," says one neighbor of the business located not too far from the stadiums. "He is involved in some shady international stuff."

But whatever the restaurant owner and his Sicilian boys are up to, they don't seem to have much interaction with the local Italian-American Mafia, allegedly run by Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi. At least one state law enforcement investigator thinks they're part of some other secret criminal organization from Italy.

"Could be Camorra or 'Ndrangheta," the source offers.

The Camorra — which means "gang" in Italian — originated in Naples as a prison crew some 200 years ago and is said to have 6,000 members. During the 1970s, the Camorra battled the 20,000-member Sicilian Mafia for control of the Italian underworld.

The 'Ndrangheta — which means "courage" in Italian — is based in Calabria and is said to have 5,000 members who generate more than $21 billion from illegal activities. Just last month, 'Ndragheta gunmen murdered six Italians in a pizzeria in Duisberg, Germany; the killings are part of a bloody feud between rival crime clans from Calabria vying to control Europe's cocaine trade.

For the most part, the Sicilian Mafia, Camorra and 'Ndrangheta put aside their differences 30 years ago to work together to run international drug-smuggling networks. That had a local and immediate effect. In July 1989, FBI agents arrested members of the Sicilian Mafia and the 'Ndrangheta with three pounds of heroin at a rest stop on I-95 in Delaware. At the same time, federal agents began documenting business meetings between leaders of a Sicilian Mafia group and an 'Ndrangheta gang operating out of Queens, NY. (The Sicilian Mafia had been meeting and working with various American crime families for generations.)

"We know these guys have been operating in the United States for more than 20 years now," an organized crime expert says. "The Mafia. The Camorra. The 'Ndrangheta. They're very dangerous. I just hope they haven't gotten a foothold here in South Philadelphia."

So what is the restaurant

great post Ivy.. in Italy Camorra also means fight or brawl

20.000 member Sicilian Mafia?

Thats big mistake in the article,Sicilian Mafia have around ~6000 made members and around 50,000 associates.All 4 groups(Camorra,'Ndrangheta,Cosa Nostra and Sacra Corona Unita) have like 20,000 made members.But i have seen much bigger mistakes in some articles like they are talking about murder of Salvatore Montagna and there is picture of Vinny Basciano

Is there any Irish mob in Philly these days? Or are they all kaput?

yeah google darrell sheets

interesting mob scene:
http://www.philly.com/philly/video/BC1397792944001.html

uncle joe!!!!!

the k and A gang seems all but gone. while northeast philly still has a large irish population and a bunch of irish criminals, the days of anything organized seem long gone.

I think Uncle Joe will get prisoned, he will likely receive a 10+ year sentence.

^^idk yet, depends if a superseeding indictment (which GA alluded to a few times) is filled against Uncle Joe with more evidence/charges then he will def be down for the count

if Uncle Joe will get prisoned for 10 years, steve mazzone will mantain the rank of acting boss.. or not? What do you think?

No one knowsfor sure, some even put Merlino back in business. I am not sure about that, there are a couple big players left on the streets. Each of them could go for the top spot, but they will let Ligambi hold the official title.

^^exactly

Yeah, I don't get where they came up with that crazy number. It is about 6,000, you're right. I remember that picture mistake too. lol
Also, I remember when Messina was captured in 2010, they were putting up pics of Messina-Denaro all over.

Ivy, do you remember a long time ago what I posted on Real Deal, and maybe here as well? I had said that Massimino had familial ties to Realmonte and Siculiana, Sicily. There are ties, blood and clan. And even one further, there are Massimino's of Sicily that are married with some Caruana/Cun trera's. Small world.
So, according to this article now, it re-enforces what I was saying way back then.

thanks Muk!

There's a guy on real deal, who I find very reliable and knowledgeable, that said Mazzone was already "giving orders" prior to Ligambi and his inner circle (Massimino, Staino, Lucibello) being arrested. He told me this before mcscott posted this new information a week or so ago.

Mazzone is very well respected in Philly, very capable of running things with or without Merlino backing him.

Except the article says there doesn't appear to be any connection with the local LCN family. Of course, that doesn't mean there isn't. I'd be surprised if they didn't at least know each other. It would be nice to have more info beyond a brief article from the City Paper.

Independents operations on traditional LCN territory happen everyday in Phila ! Joe Vito operated in Montogomery county and made millions !

What is the title of this new Leonetti book and where can I buy it? Thanks

It doesn't come out until like September.

Anyone know who's writing the Leonetti book?

Leonettis book would be interesting ? I would love to really know just how many rackets in the state of Delaware or Baltimore they really controlled ?

Scott Burnstein is writing it.

Anyone know if the Phila family ever controlled Harrisburg PA ! I know there are a few strip clubs out that way !

this is from the real deal forum

"This Thing of Ours: The True Story of an American Mob Prince & the Bloody Rise and Brutal Fall of a Mafia Empire"

From the days he ruled over Atlantic City, to the time he served in the notorious “MafiaManor” in federal prison, to his life today as a normal resident of a Florida suburb, Phillip“Crazy Phil” Leonetti recounts his reign as the second in command of the PhiladelphiaMafia in the 1980s. The nephew of “Little Nicky” Scarfo, one of the most ruthless Mafiabosses in American history, Leonetti oversaw a vast criminal network. The Mafia leader ofAtlantic City during the heyday of the casino and hotel industry, he lost favor with hisuncle, who placed a $500,000 murder contract on his head, and became the highest-ranking member of the mob family to break his blood oath and turn informer. Featuringexclusive interviews with Leonetti and several former FBI agents, candid never-before-seenphotographs from the era, detailed court documents, and FBI and state police reportsregarding mob activity, this tell-all book provides an in-depth look at the brutal and oftenbloody truth of the Mafia underworld. • Phillip Leonetti was one of the most feared andrespected Mafia underbosses of the 1980s. • Scott M. Burnstein is an organized-crimeexpert and author of Motor City Mafia: A Century of Organized Crime in the City of Detroit.Fall 2012 •

389 pages

New restaurant in Philly at historic site

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201201...cmpid=131298059

Angelo Bruno was a drug dealer believe it or not biggest in the city!!! Read Mafia Prince!

I was there the other day the sauce is a little too sweet

Why did you revive this thread? There's already a few Philly threads on the first page.

Because the Philly Trial is wrapping up and Nicodemo might have flipped ? This could take out a few guys, I mean they made a good amount of guys during Ligambi's Regi..Ligambi is going to do some time his own attorney said they were all bookmakers, I mean plus Ligambi said Merlino could make some guys when he gets out. The zips and greeks in the city don't pay tribute to this guy I mean the Gambino's setup shop 5 minutes over the bridge from south phila to south jersey back in the day..Camarel seriously the family could be wiped out by the Gambino's and the Ivyleague!!!

and the Gays!