Murder attempt on Antonion Pietrantonio last night

I told you guys he'd be next.

I told you guys he'd be next.

I'm confused myself but I know that Suzuki was a trusted RIZZUTO family member. I know for sure that Suzuki was seeking revenge for Loprestis murder. Lopresti got killed before Sal and know Suzuki gets attempted.

Just got news that Suzuki is still a RIZZUTO loyalist and has not changed regime.

i also think at this point that cun trera was not on rizzuto's side anymore

lo presti and pietrantonio are not allied of the rizzuto's, it's evident it's a war between rizzuto loyalists and bonanno zips who want take over montreal
i also think at this point that cun trera was not on rizzuto's side anymore

Horrible assumption.....[BadWord] stepped in as interim boss for the Rizzuto organization once Renda and Nick Jr were gone.

He was the boss of St Leonard and had an iron grip on a lot restos in Montreal. Many people were happy to see him go.

totally false that [BadWord] was not on rizzutos side anymore. Everyone knows [BadWord] would never turn on the rizzutos. Total BS.

I'm sure we're all aware of that. But you'll be surprised to find out where Cun trera falls today.

Exactly.......either way he`s dead now and it doesnt make much of a difference.

The Arcuris might be the next target, but that`s just a guess.

Exactly.......either way he`s dead now and it doesnt make much of a difference.

The Arcuris might be the next target, but that`s just a guess.

Or the Arcuri's are behind all this.

Dave, just for the record, you heard that LoPresti was told to cool down, he didn't, and he was killed. According to you're sources it were Sicilians who warned LoPresti. So these Sicilians wouldn't happen to be the Arcuri's? Are Sicilians fighting each other? Or did the Sicilians told LoPresti to cool down and killed him, while also battling other groups at the same time? Or is it that LoPresti was told to cool down by his friends and then killed by another group? Please be more specific.

Dave:

I think you and carmela have similar views about the situation in Montreal, specifically about the behind-the-scenes players who are not in Quebec and about their discreet manoeuvring.

For example, carmela can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that she, like you, recognizes the significance of the interaction in the last few years between Giuseppe "Big Joe" Cun trera of the Toronto area (Sicilian Cosa Nostra) and Giuseppe Coluccio of Marina di Gioiosa Ionica ('ndrangheta).

carmela, I want to emphasize that, as I wrote above, you should correct me if I'm wrong. I also apologize in advance if I've misinterpreted your view.

totally false that [BadWord] was not on rizzutos side anymore. Everyone knows [BadWord] would never turn on the rizzutos. Total BS.

Rizzutos didn't kill Joe Lopresti. Gerlando Sciascia did. Sciascia was a Captain and Joe and Vito were Bonanno made members.

Dave:

I think you and carmela have similar views about the situation in Montreal, specifically about the behind-the-scenes players who are not in Quebec and about their discreet manoeuvring.

For example, carmela can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that she, like you, recognizes the significance of the interaction in the last few years between Giuseppe "Big Joe" Cun trera of the Toronto area (Sicilian Cosa Nostra) and Giuseppe Coluccio of Marina di Gioiosa Ionica ('ndrangheta).

carmela, I want to emphasize that, as I wrote above, you should correct me if I'm wrong. I also apologize in advance if I've misinterpreted your view.

Dave:

I think you and carmela have similar views about the situation in Montreal, specifically about the behind-the-scenes players who are not in Quebec and about their discreet manoeuvring.

For example, carmela can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that she, like you, recognizes the significance of the interaction in the last few years between Giuseppe "Big Joe" Cun trera of the Toronto area (Sicilian Cosa Nostra) and Giuseppe Coluccio of Marina di Gioiosa Ionica ('ndrangheta).

carmela, I want to emphasize that, as I wrote above, you should correct me if I'm wrong. I also apologize in advance if I've misinterpreted your view.

When Vito begins throwing his millions at assassins for vengeance it's gonna get even uglier in Montreal. There are years to come. It's probably already happening. Think about it. The rizzutos were global. Not some US crew trying to make a dollar. It's gonna happen if they don't get him. And believe me he's organizing.

When Vito begins throwing his millions at assassins for vengeance it's gonna get even uglier in Montreal. There are years to come. It's probably already happening. Think about it. The rizzutos were global. Not some US crew trying to make a dollar. It's gonna happen if they don't get him. And believe me he's organizing.

When Vito begins throwing his millions at assassins for vengeance it's gonna get even uglier in Montreal. There are years to come. It's probably already happening. Think about it. The rizzutos were global. Not some US crew trying to make a dollar. It's gonna happen if they don't get him. And believe me he's organizing.

I dont think that, its a fact that the Rizzutos are finished. And with that also the Bonanno influence in that area. What could Vito possibly do after all this? He must be praying that hes locked up safe with all these things going around.

I dont think that, its a fact that the Rizzutos are finished. And with that also the Bonanno influence in that area. What could Vito possibly do after all this? He must be praying that hes locked up safe with all these things going around.

The article indicates that Pietrantonio and Desjardins might be on the same side. Not suprisingly both faced an attempt on their lives. If Suziki's group took out Montagna, it might have been a major blow to the Ontario criminals because Montagna was probably their man in Montreal.

Also, the initial killings differ from the latest ones. There were months between the kidnapping of Renda, the murder of [BadWord] and the murder of Rizzuto, and all succeeded, suggesting that these were carefully planned.

However, the latest attempts seem to be rather clumsy, considering that two out of 4 failed, and the another one almost failed (Montagna). Also, these latest attempts followed in rapid succession, indicating that there's now a war going on.

That failed mob meeting in September supports this theory.

He's coming out October 2012 maybe even sooner. I've also heard rumours that his immediate family is relocating to western Canada. And by the way it's very easy to send messages through prison visitors. Money buys power. He's sons death will be avenged for sure.

Isn't he in the supermax in Colorado? It would be VERY tough to get any messages out of there with respect to a mafia war etc. Next to impossible. Vito Rizzuto must be almost mad, stuck in prison, unable to do absolutely anything.

That's a very good theory and supports the idea put forward by the media that the coalition of clans who took out the Rizzuto clan is now fighting over the spoils.

Desjardins,Lopresti and Suzuki were probably part of the same group.

What keeps me wondering is what the relationship between Desjardins and Di Maulo is today. I would think that they are still befriended, considering their family history.

However, it makes things even more confusing, because if Desjardins and Suzuki are allied, where do we place Di Maulo then, and possibly the Cotronis? The easiest answer would be that Di Maulo isn't actively involved, considering that he's apparantly 69 years old.

Eurodave, I don't think Ontario guys ever wanted to "take over" Montreal or have guys answer to them. It's more about some revenge and having Montreal stay way clear of Ontario. Plus, Ontario's way of showing they can mess around in Montreal the same way the Rizzutos thought they could operate in Toronto.

I have heard Ontario guys have been to Montreal and got up and left during meetings apparently upset.....do you have any word on which Ontario groups were in Montreal meetings? Are there any names that floated around in Montreal?

You're right that they don't want to take over Montreal directly, but I'm sure some form of tribute has to be sent back to Ontario and some new commercial deals have been brokered.

As to which Ontario groups, it's probably the usual suspects Hamilton etc..

You think the Ontario guys will want "tribute"? I can see new commercial deals being brokered, but the Ontario guys are so wealthy (and the Montreal guys so hard headed), "tribute" might be a tricky subject. So many guys getting juiced by the Rizzuto inner circle led to this. Obviously the Violis/Luppinos wanted revenge (for obvious reasons) but in general I think Ontario mobsters work on the principle of "high fences make good neighbours"....so the Quebec guys do their thing and Ontario does it's own. Plus, I don't think people realize how much the degenerate Panepinto upset Toronto's Ndrangheta Clans.

As for Hamilton, I don't think a lot of people in North America understand how serious Hamilton is when it comes to OC. I personally think they place is a dirt hole, but when it comes to OC Hamilton is the real deal. It is by far Canada's shadiest city (yes, even more than Montreal).

I was in Hamilton two months ago for a CFL game and I got that same vibe. There's no doubt that there are some serious crime families such as the Luppinos, Violis, Papalia and Musitanos. Weren't the Musitanos responsible for killing Papalia and Barillaro?

As for tribute, I mentioned that because a local journalist said that the attempt on Desjardins was partially because he had refused to pay tribute to the new powers of Hamilton. Both Dupuis and Auger said it.

Montreal-Hamilton-Toronto are way more interconnected than people think.

Spartan,

When were the Musitanos released form jail and why are they often considered second tier?

I think they were released in 2007/08, but I'm not sure.

Their operations are not as big as other families/Clans. They are not involved in as much legitimate business as the other families/Clans (so have less cash flow). In terms of numbers they are much smaller. Their claim to fame is getting a reject ex-biker to kill Papalia and Barillaro (a crime in which the reject confessed).

If for example, the Musitanos dared move against the Commissos, they'd be finished within a month. They simply don't have the money, manpower, prestige, or allies....and they are not integrated into Ontario's Ndrangheta structure.

Granted they aren't as powerful as other families in the GTA but they still got the green light to get rid of Papalia.

Them being released in 07-08 can be somehow linked to Montreal's current situation. Just speculation.

I think they were released in 2007/08, but I'm not sure.

Their operations are not as big as other families/Clans. They are not involved in as much legitimate business as the other families/Clans (so have less cash flow). In terms of numbers they are much smaller. Their claim to fame is getting a reject ex-biker to kill Papalia and Barillaro (a crime in which the reject confessed).

If for example, the Musitanos dared move against the Commissos, they'd be finished within a month. They simply don't have the money, manpower, prestige, or allies....and they are not integrated into Ontario's Ndrangheta structure.

i think the role of ontario clans are just speculations so far, there is not any evident fact conferming it

i think the role of ontario clans are just speculations so far, there is not any evident fact conferming it

montagna links and visiting ontario are speculations
a debt that dates back in 2005 has nothing to do with then taking over
if like you claim ontario is involved they wouldn't wait so much and they start attacking rizzuto's suddenly after the opeation colisee in 2006
it's obvious that the war started when montagna was deported and boss of zip catalano released from prison

montagna links and visiting ontario are speculations

Spartan,

Do you think Montanga was with the Ontario guys or against them? The writers of Mafia Inc. indicate that he was with them as they state he made several trips to Ontario and was received with respect.

ontario clan except a crew in hamilton is not part of LCN and anyway montagna needn't them he knew several zips from NY
honestly, there are more wiseguys in the bonanno family than whole canada
but according to you a bunch of nobody from granby could take over the world and the bonanno's full of zips and connections not
it's laughable, just laughable

but according to you a bunch of nobody from granby could take over the world and the bonanno's full of zips and connections not it's laughable, just laughable

I can tell you that between the various clans in the Toronto area, there are a lot more member and associates than the Bonnanos in NYC.

IvyLeague posted an article here a while ago which stated that Italian authorities named 40 members of all the 9 locali in Toronto.

it's what i said, 40 members less than half of the bonanno's in new york

As someone who knows this a little better than most, I can assure you there are more than 40 members of the Calabrian Ndrangheta in southern Ontario. You are all free to believe whatever you wish or listen and read any "reporter" or "journalist" you like. But common sense would dictate...who the hell would Italian authorities know how many Ndrangheta members there are in southern Ontario? If any of you know people in southern Ontario law enforcement, please ask them if there are 40 mobsters in the entire region.

I hear of stories of NYC mobsters getting caught trying to shake down hot dog carts and adult video stores......tell me the last time you ever heard of a Toronto or Montreal getting caught for this sort of thing. For God's sake there are Ndrangheta controlled companies involved in construction in Ontario that gets 10's of millions a year in gov't contracts. It's not a "40 man" operation in Ontario.

Nobody said that the D'Amico's from Granby were behind it, although they could be part of the coalition. The last thing I read about them is that they were in hiding themselves somewhere in the Caribbean.

Well, we really don't hear much regarding Italian OC in Toronto. Which sort of makes one question the assertion made by some here about armies of local 'Ndrangheta guys walking around. As I posted on the other forum, people bought into that "Sixth Family" stuff about the Rizzutos in Montreal. And now people are making the same claims about the Calabrians in Toronto. Even though there's not much to base it on.

If you want to turn this into a pissing contest, maybe you should do some more research on the NY mob. It's not just hot dog carts. For example, back in 2005 it was reported that mob-linked companies had received $1.2 billion on over 100 public contracts between 1995 and 2005.

If we go on demonstrable evidence alone, and not on pure assumptions or claims of exclusive insight based on where somebody lives, there is a bigger mob presence in the NY metro area than in Montreal and Toronto combined.

While I agree that there is a bigger mob presence in NYC than in TO I think your formula of number of indictments = number of mobsters is flawed. The Greater Toronto area has a population of nearly 6 million an Italian is the #2 spoken second language. Because Canadian police have common sense and allocate more resources to go after street gangs and crack dealers who pose a greater danger to the average civilian than the mob, certainly doesn't mean there is a lack of OC here. Nevertheless I highly doubt there are even half as many mobster in the GTA as there are in NYC.

it's what i said, 40 members less than half of the bonanno's in new york

I guess it depends on what your definition of "lack" is. I'm not saying there is no Italian OC in Toronto. I'm saying that I see little evidence to support it being on the scale that some claim it is. Especially when they start in with that nonsense about the "balance of power" now being in Canada.

You know what's funny? That whole line of thinking more or less started out with the book The Sixth Family: The Collapse of the New York Mafia and the Rise of Vito Rizzuto.

I guess it depends on what your definition of "lack" is. I'm not saying there is no Italian OC in Toronto. I'm saying that I see little evidence to support it being on the scale that some claim it is. Especially when they start in with that nonsense about the "balance of power" now being in Canada.

You know what's funny? That whole line of thinking more or less started out with the book The Sixth Family: The Collapse of the New York Mafia and the Rise of Vito Rizzuto.

Fast forward 5 years from when that book was written and we see another example of how authors often exaggerate their topic. The NY Mafia hadn't exactly "collapsed" and the Rizzutos weren't as omnipotent as some had thought.

But now the problem is some are making the same claims about the Calabrians in Toronto.

I see what you mean and I while every author likes to hype up their subject, Lamothe and Humphries were on a whole new level when it came to the Rizzuto's. Trying to get the reader to believe that Vito was some untouchable Don and had a say in every drug deal/extortion/murder that occurred. An they went on and on about Vito's Sicilian connections like no other member of LCN have ties to Sicily.

Any pictures of him? And any new unknown pictures of Sal the Ironworker? There seems only 2 photos of him, one mugshot and other his dead.

Any pictures of him? And any new unknown pictures of Sal the Ironworker? There seems only 2 photos of him, one mugshot and other his dead.

'Ndrangheta members are known to operate different than the average mobster and they are usually more low-key.

They are also generally more involved in legitimate businesses. So the number of indictments hypothesis doesn't necessarily have to correspond for them too.

I'm also one of those who believes that naming 40 members by Italian authorities doesn't have to mean that there couldn't be more who weren't named. But it does strongly indicate, like you said, that there aren't hundreds of them operating in Toronto like some want to believe. So I think the number would be closer to 50, but that doesn't include "associates".

You should definitely read Mafia Inc.

I do think the Rizzutos were a powerhouse because of their impressive network and I think they could have been at one point more powerful than some of the medium-sized American families.

Ah ha. That's really the issue here. How we define what we call "the Rizzutos." It seems that many have made the mistake of equating all of organized crime in Montreal with "The Rizzutos." Or thinking that everything, at least from an Italian OC perspective, falls under that umbrella there.

Technically speaking, I don't know if it's really accurate to call it the "Rizzuto crime family." Once again, Salvatore Vitale testified that there were about 20 made guys up in Montreal, including Nick and Vito Rizzuto, who were made members of the Bonanno family. And, before he was killed, Sciascia was the captain of the Montreal crew. Vito was a soldier. My understanding is most of these guys descended from Cattolica Eraclea and Siculiana. They were the core of what you call Rizzuto's network.

Now, as far as this larger network, which eventually could involve just about all of organized crime in Montreal and elsewhere in Canada, here's what Lamothe said over on the Real Deal a few years back -

"The Rizzuto Criminal Organization is made up of various individuals and groups, including LCN, 'ndrangheta clans, and small family groupings of perhaps a father and two sons who have proven themselves over time in the underworld -- the father is made and the sons aren't. The Associates are everybody: white collar crooks, telemarketers, bikers, Natives, Chinese, Iranians. So it seems there are three "levels". Born/blood Sicilians loyal to the clan; criminal organizations and groups loyal to the clan but have their own interests and other loyalties -- such as 'ndrangheta -- and Associates. As long as the Rizzuto Family is strong that's where the power will flow from; if another powerful -- likely Sicilian based from Western Sicily -- emerges from the problems of the Rizzutos, then that layer will be drawn to them; the Associates are without loyalty and will go to whoever can protect them and allow them to make money successfully."


Here's another way he described it on another forum before that -

Explaining the makeup and structure of the Rizzuto organization is even more complicated. There's no pyramid of boss, underboss, captains, soldiers. The simplest way to figure it out is to draw circle the size of a dime on a piece of paper. That's the core of the Rizzutos -- essentially think of it as a cult of families all related by blood and marriage. Within the hard core centre are the Rizzutos, the Mannos, more recently the Ragusas, the Rendas, etc.Now make other circles, smaller, orbiting the main circle. These are other Sicilian or Calabrese clans or groups. Among the little orbiting circles are some triangles: these are the pyramids, more traditional groups that follow the American pyramid style. Scattered well away from the main group and the more closely associated smallest circles and triangles are various groups: bikers, Natives, Chinese, lawyers and accountants and stock brokers. These stretch across the country.


This has what has led to people more or less equating the Rizzutos or a "Sixth Family" with the larger organized crime scene in Canada as a whole. And then making inaccurate comparisons between it and specific LCN families in the U.S. While a lot of good information is provided in both books, that's what the Sixth Family was really doing: saying the Rizzutos had become stronger than the entire Bonanno family when it was really putting up most of the Montreal underworld to the Bonanno family.

Ah ha. That's really the issue here. How we define what we call "the Rizzutos." It seems that many have made the mistake of equating all of organized crime in Montreal with "The Rizzutos." Or thinking that everything, at least from an Italian OC perspective, falls under that umbrella there.

Technically speaking, I don't know if it's really accurate to call it the "Rizzuto crime family." Once again, Salvatore Vitale testified that there were about 20 made guys up in Montreal, including Nick and Vito Rizzuto, who were made members of the Bonanno family. And, before he was killed, Sciascia was the captain of the Montreal crew. Vito was a soldier. My understanding is most of these guys descended from Cattolica Eraclea and Siculiana. They were the core of what you call Rizzuto's network.

Now, as far as this larger network, which eventually could involve just about all of organized crime in Montreal and elsewhere in Canada, here's what Lamothe said over on the Real Deal a few years back -

"The Rizzuto Criminal Organization is made up of various individuals and groups, including LCN, 'ndrangheta clans, and small family groupings of perhaps a father and two sons who have proven themselves over time in the underworld -- the father is made and the sons aren't. The Associates are everybody: white collar crooks, telemarketers, bikers, Natives, Chinese, Iranians. So it seems there are three "levels". Born/blood Sicilians loyal to the clan; criminal organizations and groups loyal to the clan but have their own interests and other loyalties -- such as 'ndrangheta -- and Associates. As long as the Rizzuto Family is strong that's where the power will flow from; if another powerful -- likely Sicilian based from Western Sicily -- emerges from the problems of the Rizzutos, then that layer will be drawn to them; the Associates are without loyalty and will go to whoever can protect them and allow them to make money successfully."


Here's another way he described it on another forum before that -

Explaining the makeup and structure of the Rizzuto organization is even more complicated. There's no pyramid of boss, underboss, captains, soldiers. The simplest way to figure it out is to draw circle the size of a dime on a piece of paper. That's the core of the Rizzutos -- essentially think of it as a cult of families all related by blood and marriage. Within the hard core centre are the Rizzutos, the Mannos, more recently the Ragusas, the Rendas, etc.Now make other circles, smaller, orbiting the main circle. These are other Sicilian or Calabrese clans or groups. Among the little orbiting circles are some triangles: these are the pyramids, more traditional groups that follow the American pyramid style. Scattered well away from the main group and the more closely associated smallest circles and triangles are various groups: bikers, Natives, Chinese, lawyers and accountants and stock brokers. These stretch across the country.


This has what has led to people more or less equating the Rizzutos or a "Sixth Family" with the larger organized crime scene in Canada as a whole. And then making inaccurate comparisons between it and specific LCN families in the U.S. While a lot of good information is provided in both books, that's what the Sixth Family was really doing: saying the Rizzutos had become stronger than the entire Bonanno family when it was really putting up most of the Montreal underworld to the Bonanno family.

Excellent post and being from Montreal, I think it accurately portrays the situation. The example given about the circles is what describes the situation best if you ask me and what you're seeing in Montreal lately is the elimination of the inner core by the outer core, more notably rival Sicilians and Calabrians not belonging to the Rendas-Manno-Rizzuto families.

I see it this way,

First tier: Rizzuto, Renda, Cammalleri, Manno, Ragusa etc..
Second tier: Arcuri, Toronto Sicilians, Hamilton, Siderno Group
Third Tier: Italian-Canadian criminals like Piccirilli, D'Amico, Di Maulo, Gallo, Mucci

and then you have the others around like bikers, asians, arabs, blacks etc.....

The people capable of replacing the Rizzuto's are usually the second tier which is what were seeing now.

That's the same argument I hear over and over again by people who claim the Detroit or Kansas City families are still going strong.

And what about all the 'Ndrangheta busts in Italy or other parts of Europe? Did they miss out on the memo about being low key?

The Sicilians in Montreal were/are also involved in legitimate businesses. And I've said before that's what I think the actual Sicilian Mafia and Calabrian 'Ndrangheta clans are most involved with in North America - money laundering via legitimate businesses.

But also one would think there would be at least some occasional criminal charges that pop up from time to time.

Ah ha. That's really the issue here. How we define what we call "the Rizzutos." It seems that many have made the mistake of equating all of organized crime in Montreal with "The Rizzutos." Or thinking that everything, at least from an Italian OC perspective, falls under that umbrella there.

Iirc the only mention of them in either the "6th Family" or "Mafia Inc" was that they were making agressive moves against he Rizzuto's and drove down the street that the Rizzuto's, Renda ect lived on in a 16 SUV convoy as a show of strength

When the Rizzutos were on top in Montreal most if not all Italian mobsters in the larger Montreal area had to pay them a percentage. Why do you think a Calabrian like Sergio Piccirilli, who allegedly answered to Toronto, went to war with the Rizzutos?

Why is it, that with so many killings and attempts going on in Montreal, there isn't a single mobster arrested in relation to these events?

I'm not those people. And for 'Ndrangheta members this is actually true.

Making such a comparison can depend on various factors. The first and foremost is that Italian authorities have more experience with pursuing the mafia. The 'Ndrangheta has a much bigger presence in Italy and is therefore a bigger priority. So it's quite obvious that Italian authorities put more effort in prosecuting the 'Ndrangheta than in Canada. Why is it, that with so many killings and attempts going on in Montreal, there isn't a single mobster arrested in relation to these events?

As you know, for many years, the drug trade (especially heroin, cannabis and XTC) went from Europe through Canada and the ports of Montreal into the United States. This distribtion network was set up by the Cotronis and later the [BadWord]-Caruanas and Rizzutos.

When the Rizzutos were on top in Montreal most if not all Italian mobsters in the larger Montreal area had to pay them a percentage. Why do you think a Calabrian like Sergio Piccirilli, who allegedly answered to Toronto, went to war with the Rizzutos?

Ivy or Eurodave, what do you guys know about the D'amico's from Granby?

If so, then it becomes a question of how people, including posters on these OC forums, would know much about them.

Spoke a little too soon. Obviously Desjardins and 4 others were just arrested. And, while it seems Canadian LE certainly takes it's time, Project Colisee showed they can deliver.

Yes, but I think we've talked about this before and how it's no longer the case.

Even if that were true, them paying a percentage to the Rizzutos for using their contacts to smuggle drugs or deal in certain territories doesn't necessarily make them part of the Rizzuto organization. Any more than paying Vic and Gas back in the 1980's made the operators from the Greek gambling clubs part of the Luccheses.

Because they excist as a criminal organization for more than a century. Many of the posters that claim to know much about them state the same as I do. Pizzaboy and eurodave acknowledged it themselves. I believe it was eurodave who recently stated that Calabrians have a different mentality, and he's from Calabria.

Fair enough, but I used it to explain the Rizzutos role in the Canadian underworld. They gained their power and influence through their criminal network, not their organization as such.

How long they've been around doesn't have anything to do with it.

I'm not those people. And for 'Ndrangheta members this is actually true.



Making such a comparison can depend on various factors. The first and foremost is that Italian authorities have more experience with pursuing the mafia. The 'Ndrangheta has a much bigger presence in Italy and is therefore a bigger priority. So it's quite obvious that Italian authorities put more effort in prosecuting the 'Ndrangheta than in Canada. Why is it, that with so many killings and attempts going on in Montreal, there isn't a single mobster arrested in relation to these events?



As you know, for many years, the drug trade (especially heroin, cannabis and XTC) went from Europe through Canada and the ports of Montreal into the United States. This distribtion network was set up by the Cotronis and later the [BadWord]-Caruanas and Rizzutos.



It does:

http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/friends_of_ours/vincenzo-demaria/

It actually were 8 SUVs, according to Mafia inc. This is how exaggerations start...

LOL, what page is that on in Mafia inc? The same chapter in which mob activity in the city of Ontario is discussed? In 6th family it says 13 Suvs and some smaller cars and I don't believe it says anything about that in Mafia Inc.

Both the Sixth family and Mafia inc. state it were 8 SUV's.

Ive kinda gone in and out of these Montreal threads for a while since Montagna et al; it seems like certain people just keep throwing out so many theories that, when one of them tenuously sticks or fits the mould, they feel that they can hold it up and "safely assume" that they have deduced the truth of the matter.

There's either the clinical even-handedness of the figures or the "You have no idea how sneaky these guys are :wink wink:" approach. The best posts come from the guys that can admit there needs to be more information released before they can completely form a solid opinion. The "A leads to B, and therefore confirms C because THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG" posts are ridiculous enough in themselves.

Having said that, there's obviously a handful of guys across the board that continuously post insightful and illumininating. Like antimafia and Laurentian. Especially those guys.

Ive kinda gone in and out of these Montreal threads for a while since Montagna et al; it seems like certain people just keep throwing out so many theories that, when one of them tenuously sticks or fits the mould, they feel that they can hold it up and "safely assume" that they have deduced the truth of the matter.

There's either the clinical even-handedness of the figures or the "You have no idea how sneaky these guys are :wink wink:" approach. The best posts come from the guys that can admit there needs to be more information released before they can completely form a solid opinion. The "A leads to B, and therefore confirms C because THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG" posts are ridiculous enough in themselves.

Having said that, there's obviously a handful of guys across the board that continuously post insightful and illumininating. Like antimafia and Laurentian. Especially those guys.

What page? They don't mention the motorcade at all in Mafia Inc, that's a fact. This is how rumors get started Sonny, you should know better.

Now it's a discussion as to how many fucking SUV's were in a motorcade? But please.

^^^ I totally agree with Meathead, which is why I quit posting in the Montreal threads for now. Guys are all over the place, and hoping to eventually hit something right in the end.

Now it's a discussion as to how many fucking SUV's were in a motorcade? But please.

It is actually a big deal asking about a family who made open acts of aggression against the Rizzuto's before Vito was arrested. Surely someone of your infinite wisdom can see that , no?

Mussolini, I could understand that you haven't read it in the Sixth Family, because this affair is only described in the latest 2008 edition. Maybe you have the older 2005 edition.

Anyway, I will quote it for you so carmela could then share her ultimate wisdom with us:

"On December 23, Luca D'Amico and two colleages walked into the Consenza, paused for a moment and then left, with D'Amico signaling with his right hand as he walked out. A cavalcade of vehicles then puled up to collect the trio and the procession of eight SUV's and Mercedes cars accompanied the visitors away from the Sixth Family headquarters." The Sixth Family by Lee Lamothe and Adrian Humphreys.

Mafia Inc:

"When old Nick procrastinated with the money, the D'Amico's next tactic was a show of force. Nephew Luca, accompanied with Patricio D'Amico, another of Luigi's sons, and a colleague walked into the Consenza, casting hostile glances at the customers at the counter, who included Paola Renda and Rocco Sollecito. One of the visitors was armed. The trio departed within minutes, flashing signals as they reached the sidewalk. A motorcade of SUV's and Mercedes Sedans - eight vehicles in all - rolled up to the cafe door and picked them up, then cruised slowly out of the strip mall parking lot. Two hours later, Arcadi was heard ordering clan members to round up a few soldiers and watch out for trouble, because the "crazy guy", Patricio D'Amico, was still roaming the neighbourhood. Mafia Inc. by Andre Cedilot and Andre Noel.

I believe the "colleague" was Sergio Piccirilli. This event was triggered after Arcadi's men had attacked the D'Amico's houses from a helicopter (obviously a re-enactment of The Godfather III).

What's interesting about this affair, is that during this conflict one of the D'Amico's, who was hiding in a building opposite of Consenza with a rifle, was heard on tapes saying "he had Nick Rizzuto, Sr. in his sight and could hit him right now" while on the phone with Sergio Piccirilli. Piccirilli then told him to wait, because he "had to go to Toronto first".

i wonder who planned all the other murders (rizzuto jr and sr, cun trera, renda etc.)
if it was a cohalition between montagna and desjardins groups or only one planned that
montagna tried to kill desjardins first so i suppose its group felt strong enough
montagna was killed but his group it almost killed desjardins and probably killed pietrantonio (i think he was on desjardins side) andseveral members of the rival groups were caught now

Interesting stuff Sonny, thanks for sharing and I stand corrected.

i wonder who planned all the other murders (rizzuto jr and sr, cun trera, renda etc.)
if it was a cohalition between montagna and desjardins groups or only one planned that
montagna tried to kill desjardins first so i suppose its group felt strong enough
montagna was killed but his group it almost killed desjardins and probably killed pietrantonio (i think he was on desjardins side) andseveral members of the rival groups were caught now

The October 24 Lorenzo LoPresti, 40 years, went out on the balcony of his apartment in St. Lawrence to smoke a cigarette when several shots rang. It has collapsed, death. It was the right arm of Antonio Pietrantonio, said Tony Suzuki, 48 years, a drug trafficker close to Salvatore MONTAGNA.

On October 24, Lorenzo LoPresti, 40, came out on the balcony of his apartment in Saint-Laurent for a cigarette when several shots rang out. He collapsed and died. It was the right hand of Antonio Pietrantonio said Tony Suzuki, 48, a drug dealer near Salvatore Montagna.

After a period of uncertainty, Desjardins joined forces with four men to run the Mafia: Joe Di Maulo (his brother), Domenico Arcuri (from carbon neutral), Salvatore Montagna (who had been extradited from the United States) and Vittorio Mirarchi (rich businessman Sainte-Adèle). This unit was quickly shattered with one hand and the Sicilians Arcuri Montagna, and the other Desjardins and Di Calabria Maulo and Arcuri.

It wasn't really meant to correct you, Mussolini. I'm aware you said it unwittingly. I was only trying to prevent something to be blown out of proportions. I you state if were 16 SUVs, someone will read and before you know it someone else later states it were 32 SUVs. And when one reads that, they will probably think "OMG these guys are more powerful than Lucky Luciano ever was". Sixth Family redux.

i doubt the murder of rizzuto jr has nothing to do with the other killings, it seems strongly related... i doubt tony magi or everyone killed the son of a boss just for a debt, i think it was a message that the rizzuto reigns was over, probably somebody didn't listen and they killed nick sr [BadWord] rera and the others
what i wonder is who planned all the murders, montagna and desjardins togheter or a group only
desjardins was an ally of rizzuto in the past so i bet montagna groups carried all the previous killing, probably zips coming from ny

Isn't this what these forums are supposed to be for, Mickey? Theorizing and discussing things? Maybe we should all lay back and don't make posts at all because obviously we don't know shit...

On December 28, 2009, the eldest son of Sicilian godfather Vito Rizzuto, Nicolo junior, was shot in the Notre-Dame-de-Grace. The murder was probably commissioned by a businessman rather than angry opponents mafia. However, men who aspired to replace the Rizzuto clan noted that this assassination was followed by no retaliation. The field was clear.

They formed, five, college management. After a year, their unity was shattered. Three of them are off: Salvatore Montagna was killed last month, Raynald Desjardins and Vittorio Mirarchi were jailed this week for his murder. The other two, and Joe Di Domenico Arcuri Maulo, burrow. Now more than ever, the Mafia is no direction. Portrait.

Domenico Arcuri

Sicilian origin, his father has the same name. Former taxi driver, the old Domenico Arcuri was the right hand of Pietro Sciara, consigliere leaders Vic Cotroni and Paolo Violi. Killed in 1976, Sciara was the first victim of the clan Violi. Like many others, Arcuri was stored in the winning side of Rizzuto. In exchange, he received factory Ital Gelati Italian Ice.

His son Domenico, now aged 51, inherited his business. Domenico Jr. and his brother Antonino participated in the Carbon Neutral company, which specializes in soil remediation. Raynald Desjardins joined them in this endeavor, but only for a while.

The brothers already knew Salvatore Montagna Arcuri on his arrival in Montreal. Domenico joined him to demand the "Pizzo" from businessmen. It is through him that Montagna has met Desjardins. When the conflict broke out this year, "Sicilians" Arcuri and Montagna have a common front against Desjardins and "Calabria" Di Maulo and Mirarchi.

Joe Di Maulo

68 years old, he is a pillar of the Montreal Mafia. In 1965, he accompanied Vic Cotroni the marriage of Paolo Violi in Hamilton. At 28, he was accused and acquitted of a triple murder in his club, The Casa Loma. After the assassination of rape, he was placed in the camp of Rizzuto.

In the early 90s, he collaborated with Vito to make off with the gold of the Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos. He has accompanied several Vito in the Dominican Republic. Rich and discreet, Di Maulo is especially busy directing his many companies. Respected each other, enjoying wide support in Ontario, it has not sought to become the new sponsor of Montreal. However, he agreed to act as consigliere to Desjardins.



Salvatore Montagna was assassinated on November 24.



Salvatore Montagna

He was born in Montreal in 1971, but grew up in Sicily, in the small town the birthplace of the American Mafia leaders like Joseph Bonanno. He moved to New York at age 15. At 36, he was promoted to Deputy Head of the Bonanno family. The authorities find that he did not U.S. citizens and expel. Arrived in Quebec in the spring of 2009, it is discreet. After the murder not punishable by Nicolo Rizzuto Jr., he decided to exercise its power.

It multiplies the travel in Ontario. With his support, he made it clear to the old Nick Rizzuto, Vito's father, that his reign is over. It sends grazing and is murdered. Other members of the Rizzuto clan are eliminated, and as Paulo Renda Agostino [BadWord].

Montagna sees the possibility of enriching themselves by imposing the 'Pizzo' mafia tax previously claimed by Rizzuto. He sought to whopping influential businessmen of the Italian community of Montreal. Raynald Desjardins accused of taking too much space. This is the rupture. Montagna was assassinated on November 24, and 40. Police accuse Desjardins and his accomplices in the murder.


The boss Raynald Desjardins appeared Wednesday morning at the Joliette courthouse for the murder of mafioso Salvatore Montagna.



Raynald Desjardins

Francophone Quebec, Desjardins, 58, absorbed the Italian Mafia culture. It endorsed the values ​​of respect and loyalty. These qualities, combined with an undeniable fighting spirit, made him climb the ladder. His sister married Joe Di Maulo and himself married the mafia. Long right arm of the godfather Vito Rizzuto, he developed relationships with the Hells Angels and street gangs. In 1994 he was sentenced to 15 years in prison for importing 740 kg of cocaine from Venezuela.

Released on parole in 2004, he embarked on residential construction, taking advantage of good advice from Jocelyn Dupuis, general manager of the FTQ-Construction. Officially, it still runs and Investments Lasister Kane and company numbers. When he bought his house in Laval in 2007 on the banks of the Rivière des Prairies, he said he had divorced and remarried failing.

He turned against the old Nick Rizzuto and his associates after the murder of his friend Giovanni Bertolo, drug dealer and union representative painters of the FTQ-Construction. He played a leading role in the "college of management" which replaced the Rizzuto clan, but it soon came into conflict with Montagna and Arcuri. On September 16, he was the victim of attempted murder. If convicted for the murder of Montagna, he spent years in prison.

Vittorio Mirarchi

His father, Calabrian origin, was known in Ontario, but he himself went under the radar for years. 34 years old, very rich, living in a large fortified house in Sainte-Adèle in the Laurentians, has long focused investing mountains of dirty money. He bought a luxury condo at 1000 rue de la Commune, in the Old Port. His name appears in transactions on another condo, boulevard Couture in St. Leonard, and buildings in Laval and Montreal.

He has been involved in coffee Luna, establishment of Rivière-des-Prairies, where employees gathered to Raynald Desjardins. Anti-Mafia investigators of Operation Coliseum on suspicion of being involved in drug trafficking, but they have not stuck. He is now charged with Raynald Desjardins, the murder of Salvatore Montagna.

I agree with you. I too have a very hard time believing the killing of Nick Ruzzuto JR had nothing to do with the other killings. When Montanga arrived in 2009 he apparently met with Nicolo SR and told him to step down and that his time was up and demanded 10 years worth of tribute + interest. SR refused and 6 weeks later Nick Jr was killed. I don't think this is a coincidence.

EDIT: Re-reading the post, it kind of sounds like Im attacking you Sonny. Thats was very much NOT my intention. You're actually one of the better posters, and Ive liked you well enough since Ive started reading your posts. My beef is more about people going out on limbs by claiming they've got it all figured out, until the next development, when they either admit they're as lost as anyone else, or dig themselves deeper by trying to weave the event into supporting their claims.