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New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED)
Posted By: Mukremin
New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/09/11 09:46 PM
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 01:14 AM
This is great.
Juuuust one question: Is there a way to see them bigger?
Good job.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 01:28 AM
Dear forum members, i am back with the charts. First updated family is the Bonanno family. Take a look:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mukremin/BonannoCosaNostraFamily.jpgAs always, it may not be 100% accurate, so all feedback is welcome. This time i wont use a full version upload, because i plan to update it regularly and uploading each new update is to much work. Ill stick to JPG version on Photobucket. E-mail or PM me for high res.
Wouldn't an "unofficial boss" be the acting boss, which Vinny TV is? Not sure why Basciano is labeled that.
Posted By: Ivan
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 07:08 AM
This is great.
Juuuust one question: Is there a way to see them bigger?
Good job.
Right click, select "save image as", save it to your desktop, and double left click the desktop icon that is created (it will show up as "BonannoCosaNostraFamily"). It will show up in Windows Photo Viewer; left click on the little magnifying glass thingy in Windows Photo Viewer. You can zoom in and out with that, but it's low res.
You can get the high res version from Mukremin, which I would recommend. When he sends it to you, do the same thing (save it, open it, zoom in and out as you wish).
That's if you have Windows, mind. If you got a Mac or something I can't help you.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 07:26 AM
Dear forum members, i am back with the charts. First updated family is the Bonanno family. Take a look:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mukremin/BonannoCosaNostraFamily.jpgAs always, it may not be 100% accurate, so all feedback is welcome. This time i wont use a full version upload, because i plan to update it regularly and uploading each new update is to much work. Ill stick to JPG version on Photobucket. E-mail or PM me for high res.
Wouldn't an "unofficial boss" be the acting boss, which Vinny TV is? Not sure why Basciano is labeled that.
Yes you are right, i forgot to remove that. He is a former one.
send me a PM with your e-mail address so i can send a high res one. Other families will folow soon.
BTW Ivy, do you see any major error on the chart?
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 07:41 AM
Good job Mukremin though I am surprised Vincent Asaro just a soldier? I thought he was a powerful guy.
Posted By: Ivan
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 07:43 AM
I just got the hi-res version and I can't recommend getting it strongly enough. The pictures look great even if you zoom in real close with Windows Photo Viewer.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 07:56 AM
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 03:48 PM
Mukremin, what happened with posting them in high resolutions?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 03:53 PM
Fixed it, check first post for high-res versions.
Posted By: rg
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 04:45 PM
hey murk, when is the philly one going to be updated around? are they on the list?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 04:47 PM
RG, yeah i plan to update all of the charts i made. It will be later this week, i need to gather information on the philly mafia.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 04:48 PM
Thanks Mukremin!
Will replace them in my collection.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 04:49 PM
Btw, at the Gambino family chart. Isn't that guy listed as consigliere actually Andy Mush from the Colombos?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 04:50 PM
Is he? I always thought it was Vernace? I know he hasnt got many pictures...
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 04:52 PM
I'm not sure. I just noticed Ivyleague has posted the picture in another topic. Maybe he can shed some light...
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 05:13 PM
Looking at all those guys, most of them don't look very bright. Talking about the 'general attrition' hypothesis. It's not like it used to be... But looks can be deceiving though.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 05:17 PM
I'm not sure. I just noticed Ivyleague has posted the picture in another topic. Maybe he can shed some light...
He posted it as Vernace? Or someone else?
Yeah they do
but we know better right? We know who they are, what they do..
Posted By: thebarber
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/10/11 06:55 PM
Nice work mukremin
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/11/11 01:47 AM
Is he? I always thought it was Vernace? I know he hasnt got many pictures...
The guy you have as the consigliere on the Gambino chart is Vernace.
Posted By: Ivan
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/11/11 01:56 AM
Looking at all those guys, most of them don't look very bright. Talking about the 'general attrition' hypothesis. It's not like it used to be... But looks can be deceiving though.
Well, no one looks beautiful in mugshots. Look at Chin's for example - he looks like a mentally retarded guy staring at a truck that's about to run over him.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/11/11 02:04 AM
Well, no one looks beautiful in mugshots. Look at Chin's for example - he looks like a mentally retarded guy staring at a truck that's about to run over him.
LOL! Well said. Plus, the feds love to do their raids and yank these guys out of bed in the early morning.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/11/11 04:36 AM
For what it's worth, a 2009 NY Daily News article said that the Genovese family was being led by a "rotating panel" of high-level members who had recently completed prison sentences. It said this panel included Benny Mangano, Barney Bellomo, Ernie Muscarella, and Larry Dentico. A more recent article, from this past January, suggested that Tino Fiumara had also been on the panel before he died.
When Danny Leo was identified as the acting boss of the family back in 2006, it was said that Muscarella and Dentico had helped Leo to conduct a recent making ceremony. The more I look at it, I'm starting to wonder if Leo came from and eventually took over the Ardito crew.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/11/11 12:14 PM
Looking at all those guys, most of them don't look very bright. Talking about the 'general attrition' hypothesis. It's not like it used to be... But looks can be deceiving though.
Well, no one looks beautiful in mugshots.
John Gotti did.
And Vinny 'Gorgeous' too.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/11/11 08:12 PM
Which of the other families do you guys want to be updated first?
Posted By: Ivan
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/12/11 12:26 AM
Well, no one looks beautiful in mugshots. Look at Chin's for example - he looks like a mentally retarded guy staring at a truck that's about to run over him.
LOL! Well said. Plus, the feds love to do their raids and yank these guys out of bed in the early morning.
I'm looking over these charts again and there seem to be three prevailing "looks" for made guys:
1) Many of them have a "dumb thug" look as was mentioned
2) Many of them have a regular blue collar guy look
3) A few of them, for some reason, look like accountants (seriously, Cefalu and Vernace could pass for H&R Block employees)
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/12/11 01:32 PM
Ha is there really a Genovese soldier called Steve Buscemi??
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/12/11 06:51 PM
Well some of them have the typical Italian mobster actor look, they would do great acting in real movies.
And yes, there is a soldier called Steve Buscemi
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 01:38 AM
Mukremin, Great job on the charts!
This is what I have gathered on the current leadership:
Gambino Crime Family
Boss: Domenico "Italian Dom/Greaseball/Dom from 18th Avenue" Cefalu
Underboss: Arnold “Zeke” Squitieri (Jailed)
Consigliere: Bartolomeo "Bobby/Bobby Glasses" Vernace (Jailed, Under Indictment)
New Jersey Faction Boss: Alphonse "Funzi" Sisca
Genovese Crime Family
Boss: Vacant
Three-Man Ruling Panel: Tino "The Greek" Fiumara (Dead), Others Unknown
Acting Boss: Daniel "Danny the Lion" Leo (Jailed)
Street Boss: Liborio "Barney" Bellomo
Underboss: Venero "Benny Eggs" Mangano
Consigliere: Dominick "Quiet Dom" Cirillo
New Jersey Faction Boss: Vacant since death of Tino "The Greek" Fiumara in 2010
Bonanno Crime Family
Unofficial Boss: Vincent “Vinny Gorgeous” Basciano (Life Imprisonment x 2)
Acting Boss: Vincent "Vinny T.V." Badalamenti or Vincent "Vinny" Asaro
Underboss: Nicholas “Nicky Mouth” Santora
Consigliere: Anthony "T.G." Graziano (Jailed)
Acting Consigliere: Anthony “Fat Tony” Rabito
New Jersey Faction Boss: Joseph Sammartino Sr.
Lucchese Crime Family
Boss: Vittorio “Little Vic/Vic the Terminator” Amuso (Life Imprisonment)
Ruling Committee/Panel: Aniello "Neil" Migliore, Matthew Madonna (Under Indictment), Joseph "Joey Dee" DiNapoli (Under Indictment)
Underboss: Steven "Stevie Wonder/Wonderboy/Herbie" Crea
Consigliere: Joseph "Joe C." Caridi
New Jersey Faction Boss: Ralph Vito Perna (Under Indictment)
Colombo Crime Family
Boss: Carmine “Junior/The Snake/Immortal” Persico (Life Imprisonment)
Acting Boss: Alphonse "Little Allie Boy/Allie Boy/The Kid" Persico (Life Imprisonment)
Street Boss: Andrew "Andy Mush" Russo (Jailed, Under Indictment)
Underboss: John “Sonny” Franzese (Jailed)
Acting Underboss: Benjamin "The Claw" Castellazzo (Jailed, Under Indictment)
Consigliere: Richard "Ritchie Nerves" Fusco (Jailed)
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 06:54 AM
When it comes to the Genovese, we should put "Unkown" rather than "Vacant"...simply 'cos we know how they tricky they are.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 09:48 AM
When it comes to the Genovese, we should put "Unkown" rather than "Vacant"...simply 'cos we know how they tricky they are.
The official boss position most likely is vacant. After Chin died, the family probably saw no need to install a new one. Same for the other families. Chin is dead. Massino flipped. Amuso and Persico are in prison for life. The Gambinos making Cefalu the new boss was rather surprising when acting bosses and ruling panels seem to be the new way of doing things.
Posted By: LeroyJones
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 02:43 PM
When it comes to the Genovese, we should put "Unkown" rather than "Vacant"...simply 'cos we know how they tricky they are.
The official boss position most likely is vacant. After Chin died, the family probably saw no need to install a new one. Same for the other families. Chin is dead. Massino flipped. Amuso and Persico are in prison for life. The Gambinos making Cefalu the new boss was rather surprising when acting bosses and ruling panels seem to be the new way of doing things.
Kind of Surprised Gambino didn't get the spot since he was on that 3 man panel and the only one of the three man panel not in prison, but i guess the guy is in real bad shape health wise. When does Marino get out? He's a real powerhouse in that family and probably has the most support among the crews. Doesn't Johnny G get out soon? He's Marino's guy so we'll see what happens when he's on the street again. But maybe Cefalu will prove to be a good choice. You can't get much lower then Pete Gotti.
Ivy, you don't think someone has to be running the westside behind the scenes? Those guys are as slick as they come so we'll have to see somewhere down the road. Probably not until we get a high level rat will we know who the top guy or guys are.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 03:47 PM
Look at Chin's for example - he looks like a mentally retarded guy staring at a truck that's about to run over him.
That's just the way he wanted it, though. Isn't it?
Danny Marino gets out in August of 2014.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 04:56 PM
When it comes to the Genovese, we should put "Unkown" rather than "Vacant"...simply 'cos we know how they tricky they are.
The official boss position most likely is vacant. After Chin died, the family probably saw no need to install a new one. Same for the other families. Chin is dead. Massino flipped. Amuso and Persico are in prison for life. The Gambinos making Cefalu the new boss was rather surprising when acting bosses and ruling panels seem to be the new way of doing things.
Ivy, do you see any major error on the charts for the 5 families? The upper echelon is 100% correct right? At least so far we know.
Posted By: LeroyJones
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 05:20 PM
Those are nice charts you made Mukremin. Looks like you put some time into making them.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 05:37 PM
Thanks LeroyJones! Yeah.. it takes some time, but thanks to communities like this the research does not take to much time. Putting together all the puzzles is the real work and put them on the charts. Ive printed some of these and spread it in my town
Posted By: rg
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 06:22 PM
Murk, is the philly one next up?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/13/11 06:50 PM
The Philly and New England.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/14/11 07:10 AM
Ivy, do you see any major error on the charts for the 5 families? The upper echelon is 100% correct right? At least so far we know.
Looks good to me. Just a few things...
In the Genovese family, I believe Anthony Romanello is in the same crew as Patsy Parello. Barney Bellomo, Ernie Muscarella, and Artie Nigro all come from the same crew. Alan Longo was acting for Allie Malagone. And Sammy Aparo was acting for Ross Gangi. Though that may not matter depending on how you're doing the chart.
In the Lucchese family, Martin Taccetta and Ralph Perna are in the same crew. Ralph was last identified as captain.
But like I said, the rest looks fine. Good work.
Great charts Mukremin. Stellar work. As always.
I find it can be easy to mix up certain pictures if they'd been improperly identified at some point in time. You've done a great job matching them all up as far as I can tell.
When it comes to the Genovese, we should put "Unkown" rather than "Vacant"...simply 'cos we know how they tricky they are.
The official boss position most likely is vacant. After Chin died, the family probably saw no need to install a new one. Same for the other families. Chin is dead. Massino flipped. Amuso and Persico are in prison for life. The Gambinos making Cefalu the new boss was rather surprising when acting bosses and ruling panels seem to be the new way of doing things.
Great point. In a sense, the position could be considered obsolete in NY, since the ruling panel has proven so effective in relation. Of course, Cefalu seems an exception, as Ivy mentioned with every official boss imprisoned. But with the string of names cited for each families admin. over recent years, Occams Razor tells us that the Feds have the right info, and there is no one "mastermind" controlling everything for the Genovese at this point.
Although some will contend that Sal Montagna is/was a Machiavellian genius that anticipated and exploited circumstance to navigate his way into becoming the Supreme Ruler of the Bonanno Family and/or Canada...but I digress.
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/14/11 03:49 PM
Barney Bellomo, Ernie Muscarella, and Artie Nigro all come from the same crew.
Yeah, Ivy. They all came up with the 116th Street crew. They don't operate out of that area anymore, but they're still pretty cohesive. So if Mukremin wants to add "116th Street" crew over certain family members, that'd be great. Of course it's up to him.
But great job, Mukremin. That's very tedious work
.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/14/11 04:59 PM
Thanks for all the feedback, i have noted them and will update the charts as soon as possible. Together well make a near perfect chart
Posted By: rg
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/14/11 05:10 PM
The most powerful crew around ( 116th crew) Are they also the west side crew? I hear people talking about the west side crew( Genovese) alot and i thought it was these guys just a secondary name.. Where do they operate now and are they active?
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/14/11 05:17 PM
The term "West Side Crew" has become a generic term for the older Genovese guys over the years. But to be technical, the "116th Street Crew" was Fat Tony's uptown crew, where the "West Side Crew" was Gigante's West Village crew (mainly around Sullivan Street).
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/14/11 05:39 PM
Fellas, what other known crews who are still around could be added other than the "116th Street Crew".
Adding all the persons on the right crew or group can be tough on these charts. I would need to reorganize things.
IVY:
Martin Taccetta and Ralph Perna are listed in the same crew as captains already.
And as for the Genoveses, the only way to put them in the same spot is beneath each other. I will look into that.
EDIT: heres the philly chart i had made long ago, its not accurate. But i will use this as a base.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mukremin/PhiladelphiaCosaNostraFamily.jpg
Posted By: rg
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/14/11 08:46 PM
Pics look great.. I guess for chart we have to fix it up alittle.. Mousie is def not a soldier.. Underboss and Staino is the Consg..
Acting boss : mazzone
Acting underboss: chang
Capos - lance / scoops / what about nicodemio? capo yet?
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/15/11 06:56 AM
As far as the Philly hierarchy goes, the recent indictment labeled Ligambi the boss and Massimino the underboss. Both Staino and Angellina were simply labeled "high ranking members" and Lucibello was labeled as a "soldier."
And just for the record, Joey Merlino was acting boss before going to prison.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/15/11 01:05 PM
Thanks guys for the information regarding the Philly mob, i was wondering if this topic can be made a sticky?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/15/11 01:33 PM
See first page for updated versions, there have been some minor changes.
- 2010 changed to 2011
- Passed away members have been removed
and other minor changes.
(working on New England and Philadelphia families.)
Other families:
New England Family:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/e05cb737/New England Patriarca Cosa Nostra Family.jpg
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/15/11 02:52 PM
Thanks guys for the information regarding the Philly mob, i was wondering if this topic can be made a sticky?
PM Geoff or SC
.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/15/11 05:20 PM
Thank you Pizzaboy, and of course SC. I realy appreciate it.
See first page for the other families, those charts have not been updated since months. They are the same when i made them. So all feedback considering the other families is also welcome, have you information to share? Please do.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/15/11 06:32 PM
That's a kind gesture of the admins to Mukremin. This topic deserves to be sticky.
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/16/11 10:38 AM
I heard Nicky Scarfo Jr is now a Capo in NJ, I don't know if this is true but some law officials said it.
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/11 01:54 AM
I heard Nicky Scarfo Jr is now a Capo in NJ, I don't know if this is true but some law officials said it.
He's a reputed capo in the Lucchese cf.
Actually some sources state that Scarfo Jr is currently a soldier.
Nicky Scarfo apparently became pretty good friends with Little Vic Amuso in prison. After the failed hit on his son in '89, he moved up north and was apparently inducted into the Lucchese Family during the early nineties as a soldier, and later served time on gambling charges. He was also indicted recently along with Joe DiNapoli, Matthew Madonna and Ralph Perna, the last of which was identified as a fellow NJ Lucchese leader (the first two of course are panel members).
While some sources have claimed he was bumped down to soldier in '07, others continue to identify him as a captain in NJ. He's apparently pretty tight with Andrew Merola.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/11 08:43 AM
Sources i have read still say that he is a soldier, maybe with a bit more power.
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/11 11:09 AM
There's conflicting info, maybe Ivy will know... Sometimes guys are called Capo's even when it blatantly isn't the case, Loads of sources still say Roy DeMeo was a capo.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/11 12:10 PM
What do you guys think of the other charts? Its hard to get reliable information regarding the smaller families.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/18/11 07:52 PM
Well it looks like the New England family may change to in the coming weeks, Eddie Lato and Scivola are held without bail. And when the cooperator will be identified, there will be more to follow. thats for sure.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/24/11 10:44 AM
Ivy, could you help me out with Asaro? Care to share information on him where he is labeled a possible boss or capo?
Posted By: Atothej
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 10/26/11 10:35 AM
How in gods name do u view or dload these?
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 10/26/11 10:42 AM
Mukremin's links lead to a download just click on it.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 10/26/11 05:11 PM
Check the first page Atothej, like Nicky said, you will be directed to a download link. Its in jpeg format, so you can view it with windows viewer. Feel free to PM if it does not work for you.
Posted By: Philly_Broadway
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/30/11 04:14 PM
Which of the other families do you guys want to be updated first?
I'd like to see philly updated
Thanks
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/30/11 05:39 PM
Thats the one i am working on. But i cant release it this week, because i will be absent from tuesday 1st of november untill 15 november. I will travel to Africa/Tanzania, where i will be a volunteer. Get supplies and other stuff to the local poor people. Wish me good luck you wiseguys
Will miss you all..
But i am here for 2-3 more days.
And i have made a re-release of the Commission and Apalachin chart. check first post for links. Enjoy
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/30/11 07:46 PM
^^^good luck!
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/30/11 07:47 PM
Good luck Mukremin! Btw, the links of the Apalachin and Commission charts are dead.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/30/11 08:06 PM
Thank you fellas!!
And the new links are up, check them again
sorry for the inconvinience.
And i will release more Commission charts, for each change of boss and seat. stay tuned
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/01/11 04:45 PM
Well this is a goodbye message, will be back on the 11th or 12th of november. Take care,
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/01/11 11:27 PM
Enjoy you're time Muk. Don't let yourself get killed out there.
Posted By: Mooney
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/02/11 06:12 PM
good luck Mukremin, have a safe trip.
Posted By: Mooney
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/02/11 06:51 PM
Also i was just looking over the Appalachin chart. I don't believe Phillip buccola of boston was present, he had fled back to sicily by 1954 but i believe a man by the name of Frank cucchiara was sent as boston representative.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/11/11 04:02 PM
Hello people!! its me and i am back. Did i miss anything? Major bust or something?
Posted By: yigido
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/11/11 08:33 PM
welcome back mukremin!
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/11/11 09:53 PM
Mukremin,
hats off for your charts!
They are very nicely done.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/11/11 10:00 PM
Hello people!! its me and i am back. Did i miss anything? Major bust or something?
Yes, the Europeans on this forum have formed a zip faction. They chose me as 'front capo', while furio is the real one.
We're planning to make a move on the old guard.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/11/11 10:26 PM
Thanks yigido, thank you knuckles!!
Count me in the zip faction to
Looking forward to the new charts Muk!
Nothing for nothing, but do Aussie's count as Zips?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/16/11 10:44 AM
Ok, i am done with Philly chart. Its very hard to make it, each source gives you a different hierarchy. I tried my best, check it out. And as always, feedback is welcome.
Link:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/f23bb241/Philadelphia Cosa Nostra Family.jpg
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/11 07:04 PM
So far 29 downloads and no post
Does that mean the chart is good and accurate? Experts? Any thought on the chart? By the way, i cant edit the first post anymore.
Posted By: SC
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/11 07:50 PM
By the way, i cant edit the first post anymore.
The Board is set up now so that after 30 days you cannot make any changes to a post.
You did a nice job on all the charts!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/11 08:33 PM
By the way, i cant edit the first post anymore.
The Board is set up now so that after 30 days you cannot make any changes to a post.
Not even for stickies? I need to update the first post
Maybe you can do it for me?
Thanks, i try to deliver good work.
Posted By: SC
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/19/11 08:46 PM
By the way, i cant edit the first post anymore.
The Board is set up now so that after 30 days you cannot make any changes to a post.
Not even for stickies? I need to update the first post.
Mukremin,
Let me know when you are ready to change the first post here. I'll make a temporary adjustment so that you can edit it.
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/23/11 03:26 PM
I know what ya mean, Muk. I'm trying to get them to edit my Jewish Mob Charts one, or at least have me edit it.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/23/11 08:06 PM
Heres a present for you, its the Commission chart from 1961.
It is not accurate, because i dont know who attended the meetings for Genovese while he was away. And i dont know exactly at that moment what family represented what family.
Anyway, feedback welcome and enjoy.
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/35b7f1249/The Commission in 1961.jpg
Posted By: Atothej
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 11/25/11 04:10 AM
Why do I have to download it with that 1 stupid ass sight that's trying to jab $ from me?
I really wanna look at these, can u post them normal?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 11/25/11 05:51 AM
Its easy to download, most people didnt have problems with it. I can try to post them on photobucket, but it wont be high quality. I reccomend high quality.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 11/26/11 02:18 PM
People, anyone has more ideas on Commission charts? We could make a chart for each meeting, at least the meetings where new members were added and changes. What do you think of the latest 1961 chart?
And any special request for a chart?
Posted By: ukthesis
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/27/11 03:21 PM
Hi, I've just joined the forum.
My name is David Critchley, the author of the book "The Origins of Organized Crime in America: The New York City Mafia, 1981-1931"
The chart has two errors I can see. "Gaetano" Gagliano was Tommaso Gagliano (real name) and Luciano was simply one of the first Commission members but he wasn't "more" than that, above the others in some way.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/28/11 09:36 AM
Hello David, welcome to the forums
enjoy your stay.
Thanks for the feedback, i see what you mean. His full name was:
Tomasso "Tommy Gaetano" Gagliano
The reason for Luciano to stand above them is not necessary a show of power/strength. But i will fix the other issue, any other things you would like to see? Have you saw todas charts?
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 11/28/11 10:51 AM
And any special request for a chart?
Mukremin, you are a hell of a chartmaker!
I am a memberchart freak myself, but don´t know how to convert them to PDF files and to add pictures and stuff.
Is there any interest from your side, to produce charts of the NY Families from the early 80s?
We could collaborate. I could send you names.
The charts would exist of only bosses, underbosses, consiglieres and captains. Seems easier. We could name some important soldiers in there.
Does this sound interesting? Please let me know.
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 11/28/11 11:07 AM
Guys I would love to see charts like that! I want to see the Gambino's under Castellano, would be difficult to make but good luck!
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 11/28/11 11:31 AM
Guys I would love to see charts like that! I want to see the Gambino's under Castellano, would be difficult to make but good luck!
Yeah. That´s what I thought too. It would be nice to see those charts up here. That is if Mukremin is interested of course.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATE - 11/28/11 12:49 PM
Thats a good idea, we can work together on those charts. What about a chart for all the New York families during the Commission case? So were talking about 1985-86 and further.
Like you said we will only focus on the top hierarchy, and perhaps important up and coming soldiers.
Posted By: ukthesis
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/29/11 12:55 PM
His nickname was "Tommy" but the Gaetano bit wasn't used to my knowledge. I think this Gaetano angle came from faulty research later on. So it was Tommaso "Tommy" Gagliano.
There is a genuine photo of him in my book that you can use. If you do, would you mind giving me a credit line (tell them where it came from)?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/29/11 06:31 PM
You are right, on the internet you got different sources showing a different name etc.
But if i use it, i will surely give credit
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/30/11 10:45 PM
People, heres an early christmas present for you. With the wonderful idea of HairyKnuckles, and positive reaction from Nicky! I am happy to release the Gambino Cosa Nostra family chart from late 1985.
And i want to thank HairyKnuckles for his support, helping me finding good pictures and information. Thumbs up mate!!
I hope youll enjoy it:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/1d5221422/1985 Gambino Cosa Nostra chart.jpg
The other 4 families will follow soon.
Oh and just for information, i just checked my upload profile.
And this is what i got so far, the latest downloads results from latest uploads:
Luccheses: 110 hits!
Genoveses: 134 hits!
Gambinos: 151! (pretty popular)
Colombos: 76! (this shows the interest on the Colombo family)
Bonanno: 202 hits! big winner.
Not to mention New England: 159 Hits!
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/30/11 10:54 PM
Very nice work Mukremin!
You should charge people to watch your stuff!
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/30/11 11:40 PM
No, that means I would have to not be charged because I helped with 40% of the pics.
Posted By: Frosty
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/01/11 12:15 AM
So Thank You from the heart.
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/01/11 02:53 AM
Thanks Mukremin!
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/01/11 02:56 AM
I think around that time there could of been 300-400 guys in the Gambino's, I read it perhaps in the five families book.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/01/11 07:12 AM
Yes i was thinking about the size at that time, but i am not sure if they ever had around 400 members.
Capeci says that they had around 250-300 at max, even during Carlo Gambino and Castellano.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/01/11 08:23 AM
I think 250-300 members at that time is the correct figure.
FBI documents seems to confirm this.
However, the number was larger back in the 50s and 60s with maybe 450 members!
Did you know that (week as the Bonannos are today), they had close to 400 members in the 50s/60s?!
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/01/11 08:47 AM
I would take family membership estimates before the 1980's with a big grain of salt, since the feds really weren't keeping that close of tabs. Even the figures from journalists like Capeci or Raab don't completely agree. The families were certainly bigger at their peak in the 1950's and 1960's. But some of those numbers came from Joe Bonanno's estimates and whatnot.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/01/11 09:46 PM
400 seems a bit to much, even in the 50-60s. How in earth would they know who was made? That would mean every single of them would have to get through the ritual etc, i dont think in those times the government would know the exact difference between made men and associate.
Heres the updated chart, made some slight changes:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/14c741323/1985 Gambino Cosa Nostra chart.jpg
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/01/11 10:24 PM
400 seems a bit to much, even in the 50-60s.
I think Bill Bonanno mentioned 375 to 11 (or someting like that) in his favor, after being elected to consigliere in 1963.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/02/11 09:31 AM
Hmm i remember something like that, but even that is huge. Lucky for them that they have 1/3 left of their manpower.
Oke.. whats next? I plan to start on a 1985 Genovese chart, and i also want to make a commission chart of 1985 just before the Commission Case.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/02/11 03:36 PM
Hmm i remember something like that, but even that is huge. Lucky for them that they have 1/3 left of their manpower.
Oke.. whats next? I plan to start on a 1985 Genovese chart, and i also want to make a commission chart of 1985 just before the Commission Case.
The Commission case was already happening in 1985. I believe it started in 1984 and ended in 1986.
Anyway, one you should never believe Bill Bonanno. This guy is full of shit.
Joe Bonanno stated his family had 300 made members. It could be that the Bonannos had that many just after the Castellammarese war. From the 1960s to early 2000s they had about 150 made men.
Posted By: yigido
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/03/11 03:54 PM
so muk you say that 400 made guys is to much? what about those other organizations yamaguchi-gumi, the eastern btrava's, triads etc. how is it possible that they have so many members?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/03/11 04:10 PM
You cannot compare the American Cosa Nostra with those organizations, i am just saying the government could not know exactly how many made members there were. They could have added associates to those numbers, 250-300 is a much more real number. Today that number is around 200.
Posted By: yigido
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/03/11 09:18 PM
now i have to ask you why isnt it possible to compare them?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/03/11 10:46 PM
American Cosa Nostra has strict rules on membership, i dont know if thats the same with those other organizations. Thats why you cannot compare it, American Cosa Nostra is unique in every aspect and thats why they were so succesful.
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/03/11 11:00 PM
were succesful ? They are still succesful as far as i know.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/03/11 11:10 PM
Not the same as they were in the 50s en 60s. And they are far behind some criminal organizations.
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/03/11 11:33 PM
Yea,but back to 50s and 60s they had less competition than now.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/03/11 11:49 PM
And also less organized attacks from the feds/gov.
I am working on the Genovese family chart from around 1985, stay tuned.
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/11 12:14 AM
I think they are re-organising themselves,and they will be stronger than they are now,but yeah the mafia golden era is over.
Cant wait to see Genovese Chart
Maybe this can help u :
http://www.dodaj.rs/f/35/aa/4cT2s2uG/genovese.jpg
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/11 12:30 AM
Thats a much older chart, cant use it for the 1985 chart. But thanks anyway
Posted By: Mooney
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/11 05:18 PM
Great job on the Charts Mukremin! For the Gambino 85 chart you could use the westchester theater photo for Joseph Gambino...
Westchester theater photo bottom left sitting down, as i'm sure you know.
Just crop it.
Excellent job Hairyknuckles for helping out! Great chart.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/11 07:10 PM
Nice chart of the 1985 Gambinos, Muk. It's my favorite one you made so far imo.
Posted By: BlackJack21
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/11 09:48 PM
Thanks for the chart on KC and good job.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/11 11:27 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys, try to do my best for the community.
And BlackJack, i corrected the KC chart. Will release it soon.
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/05/11 05:49 AM
Cleveland would be great.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/05/11 05:22 PM
Btw, Mukremin, it was apparantly estimated by the FBI that the Gambinos had 300 made members in the 1980s.
I've copied this from the real deal forum:
These are the numbers the Feds gave for 1988.
Gambino - 300 made members with 650 Associates
Genovese - 275 made members with 600 Associates
Colombo - 120 made members with 450 Associates
Lucchese - 100 made members with 500 Associates
Bonanno - 100 made members with 375 Associates
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/05/11 08:13 PM
Excellent job Hairyknuckles for helping out! Great chart.
Thank you. But I should point out that it´s Mukremin who is doing the hard work.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/05/11 10:01 PM
Thanks for the figures, i forgot to edit the chart. It should be 250-300 for the Gambinos, thanks for sharing Sonny.
Well your support is much appreciated Knuckles, without you the charts would be half empty.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/11 08:28 PM
Heres the most recent chart on kansas City:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/77d031253/Kansas City Cosa Nostra Family.jpg
Cleveland is almost done, stay tuned.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/11 08:55 PM
And here we go, Cleveland is ready. With special thanks to NJBoy, providing pictures and information regarding the Cleveland family.
I hope you will like it, this is another step towards completion of the remaining families throughout the US. Thanks for all people who supported, gave contribution and of course for the feedback. And thanks again for downloading, we are hitting 10+ downloads each day.
Download link:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/299aa1211/Cleveland Cosa Nostra Family.jpg
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/11 10:19 PM
Awesome chart on KC and Cleveland.
Noticed on the Gambino chart you missed Peter Gotti or you had him before but took him off. Check your messages.
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/11 11:06 PM
Saw on some YouTube Video about New York Five Families,comment how Families got some made man sent from Italy to US,and now all have +50 more memebers etc. I really doubt that happened,but still can anyone confrim it or something ? I dont think that Sicilian Mafia,Ndrangheta or whoever would send guys to US.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/11 11:08 PM
Is is known such thing happened long ago, i am not sure if its the case today. I dont think so, they would not do such thing. Both sides would not accept it.
Posted By: joey_dice
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/11 11:25 PM
Murk, the KC chart looks better, I could use the same question that Black Jack asked me and that is whether their is a paper that indicates that Vince Civella is made, I am not evening finding anything which indicates he is an associate, the same can be said about Jerry Cammisano. Not trying to be argumenative here, just trying to figure out how you select one over the other, when there is no documentation for either. I provided you the FBI report that indicates that Pete Tamburello is a made member, yet you refuse to incude him, the same can be said about Carlo Cavellaro who in the Sutera Gambling trial of 1991 was identified as made. I linked the trial of Diglarmo from 1989, which identifies Nick Labruzzo as an associate, can you point me to the paperwork which identifies him as made. As far as has been determined the last making ceremony was in 1987, when William Cammisano made several guys, to include his son. Cammisano was the acting bos Tony Civella was locked up. You keep Nate Brancato on the chart when he has been retired for years and haslate stage alheimers, where is John Glorioso who was identifed as made in the Calia/Glorioso drug trials, you wont listen to me who was raised with them, but you will Black Jack who still calls Columbus park "little Italy" when the area is now Asian.
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/11 11:55 PM
Don't step into the mess Muk.
Posted By: joey_dice
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/11 12:24 AM
Why dont you mind your own business NJboy, the questions I asked are legitemate, are you and Muk dating or something which is why you feel the need to come to his aid all the time.
All I need him to do is answer the question and tell me why FBI documents and trial transcripts are valid documentation and asl where he has documentation that Vince Civella is made.
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/11 03:24 AM
Muk, you done with the new Cleveland chart yet??
Posted By: joey_dice
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/11 05:43 AM
Muk here is a copy of the newpaper headlines from 1969 when 14 of the KC crew to include anthony civella, Paul Silvio, Carl Civella were supenoded when they got of the plane. The story and the trial data from Labruzzo VS the AP indicate that 4 members of the group were made. This news clipping shows Silvio and both Civellas as top MEMBERS of the mafia. Silvio is still active and runs one of the local strip clubs and businesses for the crew. His full name is Carl Paul Silvio.
The picture you show on the chart for Bennie Palmentere is not the palmentere who was made. It was his dad Baldasar "Bennie" Palmentere he owned Palmentere brothers trucking and was a secretary in Local 41 of the teamsters were he did the bidding of Nick Civella. If you will recall I reported his death about 2 months ago on this board. So you have another dead guy listed as active.
http://americanfraud.com/anthonycivella.aspx
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/11 02:34 PM
Awesome chart on KC and Cleveland.
Noticed on the Gambino chart you missed Peter Gotti or you had him before but took him off. Check your messages.
In 1985, Peter Gotti wasn´t made yet. So it would be wrong to put him on the chart.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/11 05:34 PM
In 1985, Peter Gotti wasn´t made yet. So it would be wrong to put him on the chart.
And seven years later he was put in charge....
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/11 07:13 PM
I was actually referring to the recent Gambino chart. There's no Peter.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/11 09:39 PM
I forgot him after i removed him from the boss position, will add it. And heres the corrected version of Cleveland, enjoy.
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/62f9d1355/Cleveland Cosa Nostra Family.jpg
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/11 10:28 PM
Pete Sanzo passed away last year, but other than that It's an awesome chart. Cleveland is one of those hard families to get pictures on.
Posted By: Ivan
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/11 07:05 AM
As mentioned, Pete Sanzo is dead. Also, Carabbia and Iacobacci are apparently retired.
Where on earth did you hear that Oliviero is a captain?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/11 11:58 AM
Check the corrected version of Cleveland above, and here is also the updated Gambino 1985 chart:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/68094333/1985 Gambino Cosa Nostra chart.jpg
And also as promised, the 1985 Genovese chart:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/ebcf3342/1985 Genovese Cosa Nostra chart.jpg
Next on the agenda is an update for the Buffalo family.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/11 12:09 PM
Very, very nice!
Too bad we can´t find more pictures though.
If we do, in the future, we´ll add them.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/11 12:43 PM
Thats right, its very very hard to find pictures. Maybe members here can provide us with pictures, that would be very cool.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/11 12:49 PM
Kudos for you Mukremin. If only you could make these charts as good looking as the ones made by Atardi over at the real deal forum. Maybe you two could form a partnership.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/11 02:25 PM
Thanks Sonny! Well this is the best i can do, i am not sure how Atardi makes them. Maybe some sort of special program.
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/11 10:40 PM
Thanks again Mukster. John Iorillo and Pete Sanzo of the Cleveland Mob died last year, though.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/11 10:57 PM
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/5e9b41400/Cleveland Cosa Nostra Family.jpg
Thats the latest Cleveland chart, fixed the issues.
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/11 11:59 PM
Awesome chart! Can't wait to see how the Buffalo chart turns out. Merry Christmas!!!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/11 03:04 PM
Thanks NJboy, will keep you updated.
And i want you guys to know that i am getting e-mail from people, some threaten me and other congratulate me on these charts. Some say i am a joke etc
its an interesting world isnt it?
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/11 03:11 PM
Thanks NJboy, will keep you updated.
And i want you guys to know that i am getting e-mail from people, some threaten me and other congratulate me on these charts. Some say i am a joke etc
its an interesting world isnt it?
You certainly don't need that! I appreciate all your hard work Mukremin, thanks!
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/11 03:17 PM
I would consider it an honor if New York mafia members come threaten me because I included them in a chart.
So they are planning to sent a hit squad to the Netherlands?
Posted By: Scorsese
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/11 04:44 PM
Thanks NJboy, will keep you updated.
And i want you guys to know that i am getting e-mail from people, some threaten me and other congratulate me on these charts. Some say i am a joke etc
its an interesting world isnt it?
Who the fuck is sad and pathetic enough to threaten you over a chart?
Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/11 05:19 PM
Muk!!!! Fantastic!!!! You are the man!!!
Posted By: Frosty
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/11 05:41 PM
Muk , Thank you for all your hard work. And two word to those threaten you F**K Them and the Horse they rode in on.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/11 06:01 PM
Do they threaten you because of the charts?
That´s low.
Well, don´t pay any attention to them. Just keep up with the good work.
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/11 07:13 PM
Thanks NJboy, will keep you updated.
And i want you guys to know that i am getting e-mail from people, some threaten me and other congratulate me on these charts. Some say i am a joke etc
its an interesting world isnt it?
Who the fuck is sad and pathetic enough to threaten you over a chart?
U think they could be mobsters? Who knows, it could actually be some of the guys in the pictures.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/11 07:56 PM
Thanks for the support guys, the whole conversation with those guys goes nowhere. Some accuse me of doing it for the FBI :S
i mean, whats this all about. I wont get into to many details, but i must say it happens more and more since 2 weeks. Not that i am scared or something, but beefing with a guy on charts? Thats low.
Posted By: joey_dice
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 02:27 AM
For the record, I have never threatened Muk in anyway. I appreciate his work, although we disagree with some areas of the KC chart.
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 02:29 AM
In joey dice's defense, while he did threaten to fly out to Utah and cut my head off once, he never actually carried out the dastardly deed.
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 08:36 AM
Homework for mukremin
1. New Buffalo chart
2. Put peter Gotti back on Gambino chart
3. make rat chart (ones who testified instead of all the rats would be much easier)
Best of luck to ya!
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 08:57 AM
Via e-mails u can trace his/her ip then u can see where is he from,also i can get into his pc
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 09:25 AM
I know Joey_Dice, i know
I am working hard to bring the charts out later this week, its going good.
And Strax, we could do that and send hitteams later on :DD
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 10:16 PM
I have e-mailed George Anastasia, i send him the Philadelphia chart i made. He said its as good as the feds have. He gave his thanks and said a new mob scene went online.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 10:30 PM
Requests:
- A most likable gangsters chart
- Gangsters who preferred to wear hats chart
- Gangsters who died of syhpilis chart
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 10:31 PM
^^^^thats awesome! imagine if he shows it on his mob scene and says "thanks to mukremin" that would be great
heres his mob scene
http://fivefamiliesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/12/philly-mob-boss-ligambi-was-garbage.html
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 10:33 PM
Requests:
- A most likable gangsters chart
- Gangsters who preferred to wear hats chart
- Gangsters who died of syhpilis chart
Haha, we started with regular charts. And are going into multiple directions
the hat one seems good.
@Dapper_Don, yeah i was surprised at first. I didnt even expect a response, let alone what he thought about it.
And todays Mob Scene was interested, not to short. I mentioned that to him, thats its to short.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 10:40 PM
Nice to hear that Anastasia takes the time to respond to his viewers. He's probably a nice guy to hang out with, not arrogant and such.
Posted By: joey_dice
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/11 10:42 PM
Hell no, Utah scares the hell out of me LOL.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/14/11 03:50 AM
Requests:
- A most likable gangsters chart
- Gangsters who preferred to wear hats chart
- Gangsters who died of syhpilis chart
lmaooooo
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/14/11 03:51 AM
Homework for mukremin
1. New Buffalo chart
2. Put peter Gotti back on Gambino chart
3. make rat chart (ones who testified instead of all the rats would be much easier)
Best of luck to ya!
why put peter gotti back? Dom Cefalu is the official boss of that fam
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/14/11 04:47 AM
I agree, Daps. What I meant is for Muk to add Peter as a member, not as a boss, because he still is a member.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/17/11 11:00 PM
Heres the link for the rat charts, first one is for New York, and the second one is for the rest. Hope you like it:
FBI turncoats:
5 NY Families Turncoats:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/77b8b1108/5 NY families turncoats.jpg
Other Family Turncoats:
http://www.FreeUploadShare.com/DOWNLOAD/0a7a11437/Other Family turncoats.jpg
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/18/11 01:26 AM
Muk, Orlando Catelli was Not a made man, just an associate of San Jose. I have solid proof on this. Stop believing those forums that are full of crap. I'll send you the info. Also, you don't have Sergio Maranghi for San Francisco.
You're a ledge Muk. Fuck those assholes beefing over bullshit, they're the same guys who come on the boards for a week, post all sorts of bullshit, argue angrily for a bit until confronted with facts, then turn around and say "Oh, but you shouldn't even be TALKING about these guys. They're good, family men, and this is SLANDER!!1! Horrible, horrible slander!! Also, John Gotti is awe$ome"
Fuck 'em Muk. Keep up the great work. And kudos on the props from George A, that sort of thing has to go a way into convincing you that your charts a worth it, no? I bet he and Jerry C get all sorts of abuse sent to them, most probably from half-ass wiseguys pissed off that they're yet to make the column.
Requests:
- A most likable gangsters chart
- Gangsters who preferred to wear hats chart
- Gangsters who died of syhpilis chart
Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/04/12 01:53 PM
Muk, you the man!!!!!
Posted By: SallyBugs
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/05/12 06:33 PM
hey I dont know if its a problem on my end but its saying invalid file name.
Posted By: SallyBugs
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/05/12 06:35 PM
the Cleveland chart is showing invalid file
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/05/12 10:20 PM
Posted By: Mark
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/05/12 10:28 PM
Hey, Muk - what's the latest on The Chicago Outfit? Can you post that link, please?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/05/12 10:41 PM
Hi Mark, i have not made a chart on Chicago, i did not dare to make it because there allready is a fine chart. Althought its not up to date.
Posted By: Mark
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/05/12 10:45 PM
You do a very good job, by the way. Do you know where I could get an Outfit chart - even if it's not up to date?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/05/12 10:49 PM
Posted By: Mark
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/05/12 11:08 PM
That's the one I found as well. Thanks!
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/13/12 11:39 AM
What happened to the Buffalo CHART?
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/31/12 09:23 PM
I have just spoken to Mukremin about the rest of the NY Family charts (1985). I´m sorry to say that he doesn´t have the time right now to finish the project.
But I will give it a try. So I plan to post the Bonannos, the Colombos and the Luccheses (year of 1985) here pretty soon.
Because of my limited knowledge in "computer science", I will only use text.
I don´t know how to create a PDF file with pictures, arrows and stuff so the charts will not be as good as Mukremin´s. I guess I could draw pictures of the dudes, but I´m sorry to say, I have no talent in drawing...either.
Hopefully, I will be able to finish what I and Mukremin started.
Of course all feedback is welcome!
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/01/12 04:40 AM
^^good luck!
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/01/12 06:19 PM
Colombo Crime Family 1985
x - Death was a homicide
p - Menbers of a ruling panel 1987-1988
¤ - Members who sided with Orena against Persico
Former bosses
Joseph Profaci (1898-1962)
Joseph "Joe Malyak" Maglocco (1898-1963)
Joseph Colombo Sr (1914-1978)
Vincent "Vinny" Aloi (¤) (1923- ) (Acting boss)
Joseph "Joe Yack" Iacovelli (1928-2006) (Acting boss)
Joseph Brancato (1917-1989) (Acting boss)
Thomas DiBella (1905-1988) (Acting boss)
Boss
Carmine "Junior; The Snake" Persico (1933- ) (Fugitive at the time), apprehended and indicted 1986, imprisoned 1987
Underboss
Gennaro "Jerry Lang" Langella (1939- ) (Under indictment at the time), imprisoned 1987, demoted
Consigliere
Alphonse "Allie Boy" Persico (1929-1989) (In prison at the time)
Captains
Andy "Mush" Russo (1934- ) (Acting underboss at the time), indicted and imprisoned 1986
Ralph Scopo Sr (1928-1993) (Acting consigliere at the time), indicted 1986, imprisoned 1987, demoted
Anthony "Tony Scappy" Scarpati (1928?-1992?) (acting boss at the time), indicted and imprisoned 1987
Frank R. "Dick" Fusco (1904-1992) Demoted in 1988
Salvatore "Jersey Sal" Profaci (¤) (1936- ) (In prison at the time)
Vincent Randazzo (1901-1987)
Benedetto "Benny" Aloi (p,¤) (1935-2011) Became acting underboss in 1988
Joseph "Joe T." Tomasello (p) (1935- )
Vincent "Jimmy" Angellino (p) (?-1988x) Became acting conigliere 1988
Alphonse "Little Allie Boy" Persico (1954- ) Indicted and imprisoned 1987
Michael Franzese (1951- ) Imprisoned 1986, retired
John "Jackie Zambooka" DeRoss (1937- ) Imprisoned 1986
Dominick "Danny Shacks" Montemarano (1938- ) Imprisoned 1986
Anthony Induisi (1949- )
Acting captains
Joseph "JoJo" Russo (1957-2009)
Anthony "Chuckie" Russo (1953- )
James "Jimmy Brown" Clemenza (¤) (1911-1993?)
Salvatore "Torty" Lombardino (¤) (1931- )
Notes
Former capo John "Sonny" Franzese (¤) (1919- ) had been demoted to soldier in 1984 in order to take pressure off of him and to decrease the chance that his parole would be violated again.
Former capo Charlie "Moose" Panarella (¤) (1922- ) had also been demoted but for other reasons. He had allegedly acted abusingly towards the members of his crew.
Victor "Vic" Orena Sr (1934- ) rose to the rank of acting boss in 1988 after briefly had served as acting capo for "Little Allie Boy" Persico.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/01/12 06:28 PM
^ you misspelled Franzese
where did you see that was the reason he was demoted? (not saying your wrong, just curious)
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/01/12 06:50 PM
Bonanno Crime Family 1985
x - Death was a homicide
Former bosses
Nicolo Schiro (1872-1957)
Salvatore Maranzano (1886-1931x)
Angelo Caruso (1895-1991) (Briefly served as acting boss during 1931)
Joseph "don Peppino" Bonanno (1905-2002)
Gasparino DiGregorio (1905-1970) (Appointed boss by the Commission in 1965)
Paul Sciacca (1909-1986) (Appointed boss by the Commission in 1966)
Natale "Joe" Evola (1907-1973)
Carmine "Lilo" Galante (1910-1979x) (Served as acting boss during the 1970s)
Boss
Philip "Rusty" Rastelli (1918-1991) (Under indictment at the time), imprisoned in 1986
Underboss
Salvatore "Toto" Catalano (1941- ) (Under indictment at the time), Imprisoned 1987, demoted
Consigliere
Anthony Spero (1929-2008) (Acting boss at the time)
Captains
Joseph "Big Joey" Massino (1943- ) (Acting underboss at the time), imprisoned 1986
Salvatore "Sally Fruit" Farrugia (1914-2007)
Frank Tartamella (1916-1996)
Anthony "TG" Graziano (1940- )
Gabriel Infanti (1935-1987x)
Vincent Asaro (1935- )
Joseph "Joe DeSi" DeSimone (1937- )
Russell Mauro (1938-1991x)
Nicholas "Nicky Mouth" Santora (1942- ) Imprisoned 1986
Armand Pollastrino (1915-1990)
Giuseppe "Joey" Buccellato (1919?-1992) (Acting consigliere at the time)
Frank "Curly" Lino (1937- )
Acting captains
Charles "Little Charlie" Musillo (1926-2009?)
Louie "HaHa" Attanazio (1944- )
Notes
A New Jersey based member, Anthony Riela (1897-1992) might have been a captain at this time, but I´m not sure.
When Massino was elected boss in 1991, he enlarged the number of captains to 15 or 16.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/01/12 06:54 PM
where did you see that was the reason he was demoted? (not saying your wrong, just curious)
Page 244 in Michael Franzese´s book "Blood Covenant"
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/01/12 07:24 PM
Lucchese Crime Family 1985
x - Death was a homicide
Former bosses
Gaetano "Tommy" Reina (1889-1930x)
Bonaventuro "Joe" Pinzolo (1887-1930x)
Tomasso "Tom" Gagliano (1884-1951)
Gaetano "Tommy Three Finger; Brown" Lucchese (1899-1967)
Carmine "Mr Gribbs" Tramunti (1910-1978) (Served as acting boss 1968-1972)
Boss
Anthony "Tony Ducks" Corallo (1913-2000) (Under indictment at the time), imprisoned 1987, retired
Underboss
Salvatore "Tom Mix" Santoro (1914-2000) (Under indictment at the time), imprisoned 1987, demoted
Consigliere
Christopher "Christy Ticks" Furnari (1924- ) (Under indictment at the time), imprisoned 1987, demoted
Captains
Anthony "Tony Buddy" Luongo (?-1986x) (Acting boss at the time)
Aniello "Neil" Migliore (1933- ) (Acting underboss at the time), indicted in 1987, imprisoned 1987
Ettore "Eddie" Coco (1908-1991) (Acting consigliere at the time), became acting underboss 1987, later demoted by Amuso
Mariano "Mac" Macaluso (1912-1992) Became acting consigliere 1987, later demoted by Amuso
Victor "Vic" Amuso (1934- ) Became boss 1987
Paul Vario Sr (1914-1988) (In prison at the time)
Joseph "Joe Narrow" Lorato (1916-1989)
Joseph "Joe Hooks" Capra (1916-1992)
Joseph Riducono (?-?)
Louis "Beans" Foceri (1922-1989)
Anthony "Tony Tumac" Accetturo (1938- ) (Under indictment at the time, freed.) Indicted again 1988, freed. Demoted by Amuso
Joseph "Joey" DiNapoli (1935- )
Dominick "Crazy Dom" Truscello (1934- )
Acting captains
Michael Salerno (?-1990x)
Salvatore Avellino (1936- )
Frankie "the Wop" Manzo (1925- )
Jimmy "East" Oriente (?-?)
Notes
Michael "Mad Dog" Tacetta (1947- ) might have been an acting capo already at this time, but I´m not sure.
He definitely succeeded Accetturo as capo in 1988.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 07:57 AM
I am from Chicago. My Uncle is a made man in the Outfit and has been for years. The Chicago Outfit is structured much differently than the 5 Families in New York. In Chicago, for example, there were 6 street crews that constituted the Outfit. For example, from about 1970 to 1986, the Street Crews were as follows. Cicero, Elmwood Park, Rush St., Grand Ave., 26thSt.,& Chicago Heights. The Top Boss of the Outfit was also the Boss of the Cicero Crew (Joey Auippa ), the Boss of the Elmwood Park Crew was the Underboss of the entire Outfit (Jack Cerone). The other 4 Crew Bosses were partners with the two Top Bosses. There were also some made men who were union or political specialists that reported direct to the Top Two Bosses. The Soldiers in the 6 Crews were NOT made men. They worked for the made men with specific jobs. The membership of the Outfit might have been about 240 men but the number of made men might have been about 60. In Chicago it was much more selective and much more difficult to be made, unlike New York where they make everybody. In Chicago, the Bosses of each Crew were equal to a Boss in New York. The made men in Chicago were equal to the Captains in New York. Chicago had their own Commission and had the final say in the midwest out to the West Coast. Chicago also controlled much of Las Vegas and had tremendous political power in their city of Chicago and all Cook County. The 5 New York Families combined were possibly more powerful than the Outfit, but the Outfit was more powerful than any of the New York Families individually. The Outfit also had more political and union power than any of the New York Families. Man per man, the Outfit was the strongest Mafia group in the United States according to F.B.I. reports and the White House reports. I would whole heartedly agree with them.The Oufit was also structured much better than the New York Groups who were always fighting or competing with each other. No Boss in the Chicago outfit ever was killed. The Only exception was Sam Giancana when he tried to make a comeback in 1974 after having been gone for 8 years. Each Boss, including the Top two bosses, have strong power bases and all work together in a structured partnership.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 08:18 AM
Posting such a statement is equivalent to a so-called "pissing-contest" or everyone measuring there penis!
I am from Chicago. My Uncle is a made man in the Outfit and has been for years. The Chicago Outfit is structured much differently than the 5 Families in New York. In Chicago, for example, there were 6 street crews that constituted the Outfit. For example, from about 1970 to 1986, the Street Crews were as follows. Cicero, Elmwood Park, Rush St., Grand Ave., 26thSt.,& Chicago Heights. The Top Boss of the Outfit was also the Boss of the Cicero Crew (Joey Auippa ), the Boss of the Elmwood Park Crew was the Underboss of the entire Outfit (Jack Cerone). The other 4 Crew Bosses were partners with the two Top Bosses. There were also some made men who were union or political specialists that reported direct to the Top Two Bosses. The Soldiers in the 6 Crews were NOT made men. They worked for the made men with specific jobs. The membership of the Outfit might have been about 240 men but the number of made men might have been about 60. In Chicago it was much more selective and much more difficult to be made, unlike New York where they make everybody. In Chicago, the Bosses of each Crew were equal to a Boss in New York. The made men in Chicago were equal to the Captains in New York. Chicago had their own Commission and had the final say in the midwest out to the West Coast. Chicago also controlled much of Las Vegas and had tremendous political power in their city of Chicago and all Cook County. The 5 New York Families combined were possibly more powerful than the Outfit, but the Outfit was more powerful than any of the New York Families individually. The Outfit also had more political and union power than any of the New York Families. Man per man, the Outfit was the strongest Mafia group in the United States according to F.B.I. reports and the White House reports. I would whole heartedly agree with them.The Oufit was also structured much better than the New York Groups who were always fighting or competing with each other. No Boss in the Chicago outfit ever was killed. The Only exception was Sam Giancana when he tried to make a comeback in 1974 after having been gone for 8 years. Each Boss, including the Top two bosses, have strong power bases and all work together in a structured partnership.
Posted By: SC
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 08:34 AM
Posting such a statement is equivalent to a so-called "pissing-contest" or everyone measuring there penis!
My uncle is bigger than his uncle.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 08:49 AM
I don't follow the Outfit is any of that factual stuff or bs? For the time being I'm going to sit on my hands till they go numb and watch Whitney tributes on tv. She is one fine looking African-American Women.
Posting such a statement is equivalent to a so-called "pissing-contest" or everyone measuring there penis!
My uncle is bigger than his uncle.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 08:51 AM
It's not my problem if the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. thought the penis of the Chicago Outfit was better organized and more powerful than any of the New York Families. If you have a problem with it, call the F.B.I. or the C.I.A. and argue with them whose penis was bigger.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 09:00 AM
Hey I was curious admiral ballsack..So what your telling me is that our federal government "thought the penis of the outfit" was more organized and powerful then NYC Familes. The Penis of the outfit I'm assuming is the boss?
It's not my problem if the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. thought the penis of the Chicago Outfit was better organized and more powerful than any of the New York Families. If you have a problem with it, call the F.B.I. or the C.I.A. and argue with them whose penis was bigger.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 09:23 AM
I am from Chicago. My Uncle is a made man in the Outfit and has been for years. The Chicago Outfit is structured much differently than the 5 Families in New York. In Chicago, for example, there were 6 street crews that constituted the Outfit. For example, from about 1970 to 1986, the Street Crews were as follows. Cicero, Elmwood Park, Rush St., Grand Ave., 26thSt.,& Chicago Heights. The Top Boss of the Outfit was also the Boss of the Cicero Crew (Joey Auippa ), the Boss of the Elmwood Park Crew was the Underboss of the entire Outfit (Jack Cerone). The other 4 Crew Bosses were partners with the two Top Bosses. There were also some made men who were union or political specialists that reported direct to the Top Two Bosses. The Soldiers in the 6 Crews were NOT made men. They worked for the made men with specific jobs. The membership of the Outfit might have been about 240 men but the number of made men might have been about 60. In Chicago it was much more selective and much more difficult to be made, unlike New York where they make everybody. In Chicago, the Bosses of each Crew were equal to a Boss in New York. The made men in Chicago were equal to the Captains in New York. Chicago had their own Commission and had the final say in the midwest out to the West Coast. Chicago also controlled much of Las Vegas and had tremendous political power in their city of Chicago and all Cook County. The 5 New York Families combined were possibly more powerful than the Outfit, but the Outfit was more powerful than any of the New York Families individually. The Outfit also had more political and union power than any of the New York Families. Man per man, the Outfit was the strongest Mafia group in the United States according to F.B.I. reports and the White House reports. I would whole heartedly agree with them.The Oufit was also structured much better than the New York Groups who were always fighting or competing with each other. No Boss in the Chicago outfit ever was killed. The Only exception was Sam Giancana when he tried to make a comeback in 1974 after having been gone for 8 years. Each Boss, including the Top two bosses, have strong power bases and all work together in a structured partnership.
I am no expert on the Chicago outfit, but your statement that the Outfit alone is stronger than 1 individual New York family, that is total crap. With the Colombos going downwards, we could say yes, the Outfit may be stronger. But there is no way you can compare the Genoveses with the Outfit.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 09:28 AM
Well, since you want to start with name calling, Yes Admiral New York Dick Nose, What I'm saying is that the Government has always considered the Chicago Outfit ( not just the Top Boss) but the entire Chicago Outfit as a more powerful better organized Mafia Group over any of the New York Families. The Chicago Outfit basically elected John Kennedy in 1964. The C.I.A.partnered with Chicago to kill Castro etc., etc. New York makes everybody and their brother. In Chicago, you have to belong to a street crew for years before you would even be considered to be made. In Chicago, when a guy gets made it's a big fucking deal, unlike New York. Made guys are very powerful in Chicago and run their own franchises with soldiers working under them to help them do business with all the street associates.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 09:59 AM
From the 1930's forward, the Outfit has always been the strongest, best organized, most politically & union strong Mafia group in the country. Chicago basically told New York to get the fuck out of Las Vegas back in the late 1950's. New York has always been strong but is not cohesive like Chicago and makes too many soldiers who basically go out and do whatever they want to do as long as they pay some kind of tribute to their captain. in Chicago, the soldiers are not made guys but instead, they WORK for the made guys doing specific jobs. Much better organized than New York. There is a long, long list of rats in New York. In Chicago, there has only been ONE rat among the highly elite smaller core of made guys in 80 years. The Federal government has publicly stated in numerous reports, that the Chicago Outfit is the Strongest mafia group in the Country. Always has been. Not the Genovese's. If you don't like hearing it, go argue with the Feds about it.
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:23 AM
This is again some kind of inside information from outfit ?
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:31 AM
Alright Don Penis,
Should I kiss your pinky ring?
There are some knowledgeable people on this board that jerk off to these guys everyday they know everything when it comes to discussing old hairy Italian gangsters. Furthermore stop saying "Go ask the Feds," that's retarded.
From the 1930's forward, the Outfit has always been the strongest, best organized, most politically & union strong Mafia group in the country. Chicago basically told New York to get the fuck out of Las Vegas back in the late 1950's. New York has always been strong but is not cohesive like Chicago and makes too many soldiers who basically go out and do whatever they want to do as long as they pay some kind of tribute to their captain. in Chicago, the soldiers are not made guys but instead, they WORK for the made guys doing specific jobs. Much better organized than New York. There is a long, long list of rats in New York. In Chicago, there has only been ONE rat among the highly elite smaller core of made guys in 80 years. The Federal government has publicly stated in numerous reports, that the Chicago Outfit is the Strongest mafia group in the Country. Always has been. Not the Genovese's. If you don't like hearing it, go argue with the Feds about it.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:36 AM
You mispelled Franzese..OMG BLOG BLOG BLOG MOBWIVES ON DVR CHECK!
^ you misspelled Franzese
where did you see that was the reason he was demoted? (not saying your wrong, just curious)
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:37 AM
In Girth? LMAO
Posting such a statement is equivalent to a so-called "pissing-contest" or everyone measuring there penis!
My uncle is bigger than his uncle.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:41 AM
I didn't say go ask the Feds. I'm simply stating what the reports have been from the F.B.I. & The C.I.A. There's no point arguing with me about it. Don't blame the messenger for the message, New York Dick Nose.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:49 AM
I'm not from New York. I'm from Philly, and I got an old school 1918 Cubs hat da bear wit da bat...bada bing bada boom...
Go look in the mirror and make a real mean scary tough face like your Silvio Dante and post it on here for everyone. Just make sure you don't poop your pants
PS: ChicagoDon how old are you that you have so much insider knowledge on these mummies ?
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:59 AM
Strax, Yes it is a combination of inside information and public opinion stated by the F.B.I. & the C.I.A. As far as inside information goes, the Outfit has never been structured like the 5 Families in New York. The Outfit is structured around Street crew power. There have traditionally been 6 street crews in the Outfit, all originating around little Italy neighborhoods in Chicago. There is the Dominent crew, the sub-dominent crew, and the other 4 crews. Each Crew has a Boss, Underboss, maybe a half a dozen Made guys & soldiers who work under the made guys. There are then all of the street associate( like street agent bookmakers & Bar owners ( who partner with the Outfit on poker machines) who do business with the crew. The 4 Crew bosses are partners with and work together with the Dominent & Sub Dominent Crews. The 6 Bosses plus usually a semi-retired Top boss who acts as an advisor make up the Board of Directors who act like a commission. There were traditionally anywhere from 60 to maybe 75 active made guys at anytime on the street. The strongest time for the outfit was from 1957 to 1966 when Sam Giancana, the Boss of the old Taylor St. Crew was the Top Boss of the Outfit. The Top Boss of the Oufit has the strongest Crew. he doesn't sit alone up on a hill and travel around with one bodyguard and then get killed like Paul Castellano.
Posted By: Nicholas
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 11:35 AM
Chicago basically told New York to get the fuck out of Las Vegas back in the late 1950's.
I thought they got Vegas to themselves after they killed Alan Dorfman? Someone big at least. That and they helped the Eastern families get a strong hold in AC.
Though I do have to kinda agree with you, Chicago does pick it's wiseguys better. There's a far more organized structure in NY, but it seems that Chicago has a better run on it's organization.
Though one thing Chicago
never had was as strong as a hold on unions and most notably docks like the Eastern families did and have.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 11:44 AM
Chicago does have legitimate construction companies that do work outside of Philadelphia in the wealthy suburbs. They also have some trucking companies as well.
The Chicago Outdick
PS: Hey Nicholas did you get your button yet to the mickey mouse club>>>???????????????????
Chicago basically told New York to get the fuck out of Las Vegas back in the late 1950's.
I thought they got Vegas to themselves after they killed Alan Dorfman? Someone big at least. That and they helped the Eastern families get a strong hold in AC.
Though I do have to kinda agree with you, Chicago does pick it's wiseguys better. There's a far more organized structure in NY, but it seems that Chicago has a better run on it's organization.
Though one thing Chicago
never had was as strong as a hold on unions and most notably docks like the Eastern families did and have.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 11:52 AM
Dick Nose, I like Philly very much. Been to South Philly a few times. I was born in Chicago and my uncle has been a made guy in the Outfit for over 30 years. before that he was a soldier for about 18 years. I know a lot about it. The Chicago Outfit is very well organized and still has tremendous power in Chicago and out west. Like everything else, the Outfit has downsized to 4 Street Crews: Elmwood Park ( Dominent ), Grand Ave., Cicero & 26th St. The Dominent Crew is called the ( extended ) Elmwood Park Crew because within the crew there is a Capo with made men besides the Top Boss of the Entire Outfit who has men directly with him. Back in 1957, Sam Giancana became th Boss of the extended Taylor St. Crew and Top Boss of the Outfit. There was no sub dominent Crew. The other 4 crews at that time were Rush St., Cicero, Elmwood Park & Chicago Heights. All were partnered with Giancana & his men who ran Bookmaking, Poker machines, Loan Sharking, Union Racketeering etc. I learned a lot by watching and asking certain harmless types of questions at the right moments. I learned how truly powerful the Outfit was and that it reached all the way out to Las Vegas & the West Coast. The Outfit almost literally ran Chicago and had tremendous influence in the 50 wards in the city and all the suburbs. I learned about the tremendous difference between the Chicago Outfit and the 5 Families in New York. I always thought, along with a lot of other people, that the Outfit was much better organized than New York and much less chaotic. There were also made men who were specialists of sorts who were direct with the Top Boss. During this time, from 1957 to 1966, the Outfit had maybe 300 men who actually belonged to the street crews, however, maybe 75 at the most were actually made men. In order to be made, you had to be full Italian. Made men were very elite and ran and supervised franchises. the Soldiers in the crews worked under the made men as collectors, Bookmaking office agents etc. There were several Little Italies in Chicago. Years ago, the biggest was Taylor St. on the west side. That is where my uncle was born.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 12:12 PM
Dick Nose, I like Philly very much. Been to South Philly a few times. I was born in Chicago and my uncle has been a made guy in the Outfit for over 30 years. before that he was a soldier for about 18 years. I know a lot about it. The Chicago Outfit is very well organized and still has tremendous power in Chicago and out west. Like everything else, the Outfit has downsized to 4 Street Crews: Elmwood Park ( Dominent ), Grand Ave., Cicero & 26th St. The Dominent Crew is called the ( extended ) Elmwood Park Crew because within the crew there is a Capo with made men besides the Top Boss of the Entire Outfit who has men directly with him. Back in 1957, Sam Giancana became th Boss of the extended Taylor St. Crew and Top Boss of the Outfit. There was no sub dominent Crew. The other 4 crews at that time were Rush St., Cicero, Elmwood Park & Chicago Heights. All were partnered with Giancana & his men who ran Bookmaking, Poker machines, Loan Sharking, Union Racketeering etc. I learned a lot by watching and asking certain harmless types of questions at the right moments. I learned how truly powerful the Outfit was and that it reached all the way out to Las Vegas & the West Coast. The Outfit almost literally ran Chicago and had tremendous influence in the 50 wards in the city and all the suburbs. I learned about the tremendous difference between the Chicago Outfit and the 5 Families in New York. I always thought, along with a lot of other people, that the Outfit was much better organized than New York and much less chaotic. There were also made men who were specialists of sorts who were direct with the Top Boss. During this time, from 1957 to 1966, the Outfit had maybe 300 men who actually belonged to the street crews, however, maybe 75 at the most were actually made men. In order to be made, you had to be full Italian. Made men were very elite and ran and supervised franchises. the Soldiers in the crews worked under the made men as collectors, Bookmaking office agents etc. There were several Little Italies in Chicago. Years ago, the biggest was Taylor St. on the west side. That is where my uncle was born.
How would you describe the power of the Outfit today? Like the New York families they to have been hammered by the feds/gov.
Posted By: Nicholas
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 12:16 PM
Chicago does have legitimate construction companies that do work outside of Philadelphia in the wealthy suburbs. They also have some trucking companies as well.
PS: Hey Nicholas did you get your button yet to the mickey mouse club>>>???????????????????
Chicago, all the way in Philly? Hhphm...
Not yet. I've got plenty of patience, I'd like to earn it rather than ask/beg.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 12:37 PM
Nick, You are correct about the docks in New York. However, I completely disagree with you about the Union activity in general. Chicago had tremendous power within the unions in Chicago. In Fact, a couple of the Chicago Outfit bosses like Vince Solano & Albert Tocco were actually presidents of a couple of unions! Joey Lombardo ( One of the former Top bosses of the Outfit) Literally financed some htels in Las Vegas with the Teamsters. The teamsters Union was the fucking Bank for the Outfit. The outfit today is still strong with the unions. John DiFronzo is the Boss of the extended Elmwood Park Group and the top Boss of the Outfit. His Brother, Pete DiFronzo, is very strong with the unions. in Fact, I would say Union activity ( Construction) along with Bookmaking & Poker machines, is still fairly strong in Chicago. Loan Sharking is down from before because the guys are too afraid that some juice loan victims willl run to the feds too easily. There has been very few Outfit related murders in Chicago in the last 12 years since 2000. I'd say say maybe 3.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 01:50 PM
Well, since you want to start with name calling, Yes Admiral New York Dick Nose, What I'm saying is that the Government has always considered the Chicago Outfit ( not just the Top Boss) but the entire Chicago Outfit as a more powerful better organized Mafia Group over any of the New York Families.
Post a source and we'll see about that.
The Chicago Outfit basically elected John Kennedy in 1964.
You mean the ghost of Kennedy?
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 01:55 PM
I'm simply stating what the reports have been from the F.B.I. & The C.I.A. There's no point arguing with me about it.
Actually there is because there aren't any. Any relation to that other guy with incredible inside knowledge?
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 02:03 PM
This is again some kind of inside information from outfit ?
This was a sarcasm,we already had guy like that from chicago talking with all that inside knowledge and no sources to prove it.And that Outfit is more powerful than NY families,i don't agree.
Posted By: Mark
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 02:15 PM
This is again some kind of inside information from outfit ?
This was a sarcasm,we already had guy like that from chicago talking with all that inside knowledge and no sources to prove it.And that Outfit is more powerful than NY families,i don't agree.
Yeah - What ever happened to The Bridgeport Vet?
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 02:41 PM
He probably realised that no one believe his stories,so he stopped coming here or maybe he is banned?
I know he had 2-3 warnings.
Posted By: Don Cardi
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 02:56 PM
Yeah - What ever happened to The Bridgeport Vet?
Posted By: Mark
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 03:13 PM
Yeah - What ever happened to The Bridgeport Vet?
{CLICK} - Mark deletes the PM for TheBridgeportVet...
(Just like Michael hangs up the phone.)
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 03:23 PM
I am from Chicago. My Uncle is a made man in the Outfit and has been for years.
I don´t mean to be rude or anything and I certainly don´t know your uncle. But I think he pulled a fast one on you.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 04:38 PM
This thread is for the New York and other families, not for the Outfit nor discussion about the strength. Please..
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 08:29 PM
Muk, still can't wait for the Buffalo Chart.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 08:40 PM
Sorry, I made a typo. The Outfit Basically elected John Kennedy in 1960. New York Coulkd never have accomlished such a feat in 1960. First of all, the 5 Families would never even have been able to agree which person to support, Nixon or Kennedy.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 08:50 PM
No, there is information from the F.B.I. stating that the Oufit was the best organized crime group in the Country. If one or two of you New Yorkers don't want to believe it, I really don't care. Look at the long, long, long list of rats in the New York 5 families where they made everybody and his brother, including the taxi cab drivers who pick you up at the airport, and compare it to the ONE rat in Chicago. I'll rest my case.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 09:04 PM
ChicagoDon,
I think you screwed up Mukremin´s thread. Please post your Chicago stuff in the "Chicago Outfit" thread.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 09:24 PM
Muk, still can't wait for the Buffalo Chart.
Yeah i know, i have more charts to do. But these days i am very busy, but i will release it soon along with the other 1985 NY family charts.
Posted By: TheChicagoDon
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 09:40 PM
Okay, no problem. I'LL post the Chicago Outfit stuff on another thread. A couple of you New Yorkers can fantasize how powerful the rat infested disorganized 5 Families are on this thread, including all the internal fighting that went on from the 1960's forward and all the Bosses that got killed by their own men and how the Zips dominated the stupid disorganized Bonnano Family where the Boss moved to Arizona and wrote a book about it.
Posted By: SC
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:15 PM
Good. Just make sure to flush the toilet when you're finished.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:25 PM
Hairy Knuckles your avator looks like the guy who plays Al Capone on Boardwalk, you should post that on his there facebook
ChicagoDon,
I think you screwed up Mukremin´s thread. Please post your Chicago stuff in the "Chicago Outfit" thread.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 10:34 PM
Yeah they don't use names that end in a vowel. It's like other state in the country the bids come in, so do all the major players. One hand washes another. The Marcellus/ Shell project I flew up there with my boss this is, Mansfield,Pa there are people from Texas, Canada, Etc.
TRY: WELSH
Oh and there were a few capos from the mickey mouse club..I think Donald Duck rose to the rank of Capo in the late 80's when all the families took blows from federal prosecutors.
Chicago does have legitimate construction companies that do work outside of Philadelphia in the wealthy suburbs. They also have some trucking companies as well.
PS: Hey Nicholas did you get your button yet to the mickey mouse club>>>???????????????????
Chicago, all the way in Philly? Hhphm...
Not yet. I've got plenty of patience, I'd like to earn it rather than ask/beg.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/12 11:24 PM
Okay, no problem. I'LL post the Chicago Outfit stuff on another thread. A couple of you New Yorkers can fantasize how powerful the rat infested disorganized 5 Families are on this thread, including all the internal fighting that went on from the 1960's forward and all the Bosses that got killed by their own men and how the Zips dominated the stupid disorganized Bonnano Family where the Boss moved to Arizona and wrote a book about it.
Thank you, you seem to obsessed with the Outfit. Care to reveal who your uncle is?
Posted By: short841
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/13/12 11:06 AM
and where ar
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/16/12 07:40 PM
Muk, still can't wait for the Buffalo Chart.
Yeah i know, i have more charts to do. But these days i am very busy, but i will release it soon along with the other 1985 NY family charts.
Thank you Mukster, you da man.... LOL !!
Posted By: Bonanno97
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/16/12 09:49 PM
Great family charts. Thanks!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/16/12 10:21 PM
Thanks Bonanno, you are from the Netherlands?
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/16/12 10:57 PM
Thanks Bonanno, you are from the Netherlands?
Yes he is,really nice guy
Posted By: NJBoy55
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/10/12 10:37 AM
Muk is back, just saw his name in the left side of my screen. Still can't wait till he makes the Buffalo chart.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/12 03:26 PM
Gambino Crime Family 1985
x - Death was a homicide
p - Committee of members who briefly ran the Family in 1986 when Gotti was incarcerated. Angelo Ruggiero (1940-1989) was included in this group
¤ - Captains who constituted the "Manhattan faction", or "Dellacroce faction" within the Family
Former bosses
Salvatore "Tata" D´Aquila (1877-1928x)
Alfredo "Al Mineo" Manfredi (1880-1930x)
Francesco "don Cheech" Scalise (1893-1957x)
Vincent Mangano (1888-1951x)
Albert Anastasia (1903-1957x)
Carlo Gambino (1902-1976)
Boss
"Big" Paul Castellano (1912-1985x) (under indictment at the time)
Underboss
Aniello "Neil" Dellacroce (1914-1985) (under indictment at the time)
Consigliere
Joesph N. Gallo (1912-1995) Indicted 1987, imprisoned 1988, retired
Captains
Thomas Bilotti (1940-1985x) Briefly served as underboss
John Gotti Sr (¤)(1940-2002) Became boss after the Castellano killing
Joseph "Piney" Armone (p)(1917-1992) Became underboss in 1986 (after the DeCicco killing), Indicted 1987, imprisoned 1988, retired
Frankie "Locs" Locascio (1933- ) Became acting underboss 1987, acting consigliere 1989
Ettore "Terry" Zappi (1904-1986) (In semi-retirement at the time)
Joseph Paterno (1923-1988)
Jimmy "Brown" Failla (1919-1999)
Joey "A" Arcuri (1913-2007)
Salvatore "Toddo" Aurello (1914-1988) (In semi-retirement at the time)
Anthony "The Baker" Napolitano Sr (1900-1992)
Joe "Z" Zingaro (1912-1995) (In prison at the time)
Patsy Conte (1925- ) Indicted 1987, freed
Nino Gaggi (1925-1988) (In prison at the time)
Anthony Scotto (1934- ) Demoted by Gotti 1986
Olympio "Lilo" Garofalo (1904-1986)
Anthony "Fat Andy" Ruggiano Sr (1927-1999) Indicted 1986, became a fugitive but apprehended and imprisoned 1987
Frankie "Dap" D´Apolito (1923-1998)
Joe "Butch" Corrao (1936-2001) Indicted 1987, Imprisoned 1989
Mario Traina (1915-1994)
Angelo Mascia (1909-1986)
Tommy Gambino (1929- )
Mike "Tally" Caiazza (¤)(1912?-1994?) Demoted by Dellacroce 1985
Nicholas Corozzo (¤)(1940- ) Demoted by Gotti in 1986 (?)
Acting captains
Robert "DB" DiBernardo (1937-1986x) (For Zappi) Promoted to capo by Gotti after the Castellano killing
Salvatore "Sammy The Bull" Gravano (p)(1945- ) (For Aurello) Became capo in 1985, acting consigliere in 1987, acting underboss in 1989, official underboss in 1990
Greg DePalma (1932-2009) (For Zingaro)
Joe "Buddy" LaForte Jr (¤)(1941?- ) (For Caiazza) Demoted by Dellacroce in 1985
Notes
I believe Frank DeCicco (1935-1986x) inherited Tommy Bilotti´s crew in Dec 1985. That´s why I didn´t put him on the list above.
I know it´s a little controversial putting Nick Corozzo on the list since it´s all over internet that Corozzo was promoted to capo in the early 1990´s.
However, in Dellacroce´s indictment file of 1985, the prosecutors claim Corozzo was one of three crew leaders who answered to Dellacroce. Later on, Corozzo is listed as a member of Peter Gotti´s crew (I read this somewhere) before being promoted in the early 1990´s.
I believe it is possible that Corozzo was demoted by Gotti in 1986 but later promoted to a capo rank again.
And also, information suggests that Tommy "Breeze" DeBrizzi (?-1988x) functioned as an acting capo sometime around 1986-1987. I´m not sure he served in this capacity already in 1985.
In any case, he was demoted by Gotti and put in Tommy Gambino´s crew before being killed in 1988.
All feedback is welcome.
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/12 03:39 PM
Thanks HK, I didn't realise Conte had died in 2000, Where did you find out about his death?
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/12 03:41 PM
Wiki said he was released from prison in 2003??
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/12 04:02 PM
Thanks HK, I didn't realise Conte had died in 2000, Where did you find out about his death?
I don´t remember really. I must have read it someplace.
Did a little search on the internet but couldn´t find a reference on his death.
Now when you mention this, I´ll edit it.
Thanx
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/12 05:52 PM
Nice chart Hairy.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/12 06:04 PM
Posted By: Lenin_and_McCarthy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/12 08:47 PM
Wasn't Gotti never promoted past acting capo for Fatico?
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/12 09:16 PM
Thanks HK, I didn't realise Conte had died in 2000, Where did you find out about his death?
I don´t remember really. I must have read it someplace.
Did a little search on the internet but couldn´t find a reference on his death.
Now when you mention this, I´ll edit it.
Thanx
Yea, I thought Conte was still alive considering everybody always brings his name up inquiring what hes been up to.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/12 10:05 PM
Wasn't Gotti never promoted past acting capo for Fatico?
I believe that he was.
On the chart above, I put Gotti as an official capo.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/24/12 09:21 AM
Regarding LaForte Sr, I think I stand corrected.
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/02/nyregion/3-sought-in-connection-with-si-body.htmlHowever, I believe both Lafortes were under Caiazza, making it possible that Joe "The Cat" LaForte Sr inherited Caiazza´s crew after the demotion of Caiazza.
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/24/12 04:24 PM
In regards to the current Gambino family chart, I know the feds still have Salvatore LoCascio as a Bronx Capo on charts etc, but Iv'e brought it up on a thread and the consensus seemed to be he is retired living in Florida.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/24/12 08:37 PM
In regards to the current Gambino family chart, I know the feds still have Salvatore LoCascio as a Bronx Capo on charts etc, but Iv'e brought it up on a thread and the consensus seemed to be he is retired living in Florida.
When it comes to the so called Mafia of today, nothing surprises me anymore. If this is true, it´s almost like a country club where people can join and leave as it pleases them.
Posted By: Louielips
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 04/13/12 02:16 AM
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/13/12 06:05 PM
To complete the New York Families membercharts of 1985, I will finally post the Genovese Family. This completes the series.
Keep in mind guys that the Genovese Family is extremely hard to do. Not much reliable info is out there. That is why I welcome all kinds of feedback.
Mukremin, my chart differs slightly from the one you made a while ago. If you´re still around, please let me know what you think of it. BTW, we miss you around here!
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/13/12 07:24 PM
Genovese Crime Family 1985
x - Death was a homicide
p - Members of a ruling panel 1958-1972
Former bosses
Giuseppe "Joe the Boss" Masseria (1886-1931x)
Charlie "Lucky" Luciano (1897-1962)
Frank Costello (1891-1973)
Vito Genovese (1897-1969)
Tony "Bender" Strollo (1899-1962x) Briefly served as acting boss in 1958
Gerardo "Jerry" Catena (1902-2000) (p)
Tommy "Ryan" Eboli (1911-1972x) (p)
Mike Miranda (1896-1973) (p)
Philip "Benny Squint" Lombardo (1908-1987)
"Fat" Tony Salerno (1911-1992) Briefly served as official boss before suffering a stroke in 1982
Boss
Vincent "the Chin" Gigante (1928-2005)
Underboss
"Fat" Tony Salerno (1911-1992) (under indictment at the time), Imprisoned 1987, Retired
Consigliere
Louis "Bobby" Manna (1929- ) Indicted 1989
Captains
Sammy "Black" Santoro (?-1987) (Acting underboss at the time), Died in 1987
Benny "Eggs" Mangano (1921- ) Became underboss in 1987
Pete DeFeo (1902-1993) Demoted in 1988?
Benny "the Bum" DeMartino (1913-1993) Demoted in 1987?
Matty "Brown" Fortunato (1901-1992)
George "Flippy" Filippone (1915-1986)
Jimmy "Nap" Napoli (1911-1992)
Ottaviano "Tommy" Lombardi (1924-1987)
Matty "the Horse" Ianello (1920- ) Imprisoned 1986
"Crazy" Tommy Contaldo (1913-1989)
Louis "Red; Streaky" Gatto Sr (1916-2002)
John "Buster" Ardito (1919-2006) Imprisoned 1986
Anthony "Pee Wee" Lanza Sr (1934-1999)
"Baldy" Dom Cantarino (1930-1991) Imprisoned 1988
Johnny "Dee" DiGilio (1932-1988x) Indicted 1988, Freed
Andy Gerardo (1930-2012) Indicted and imprisoned 1986, Demoted
Joe "Lefty" Loiacono Sr (1907-1989)
Frankie "Skiball" Scibelli (1912-2000) Imprisoned 1987
John "Gentleman" Masiello Sr (1920-1995) Demoted 1987?
Rudy Santabello (1928?- )
Tony "Dutchie" Tuzzo (1912-2000)
Acting captain
Either Louis Vigilante (1912-1995) or Barney Bellomo (1957- ) (for Santoro)
Notes
Jimmy "the Little Guy" Ida (1940- ) was a fast rising star at this time. In 1986 he functioned as the acting captain for Ianello before being named the acting consigliere in 1989 and official consigliere in 1990. This seemingly in spite of never been appointed an official captain.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/18/12 02:36 PM
The guy of this facebook page uses Mukremin's charts. Did he ask permission?
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mafia-Inc-Online/304834209580632
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/18/12 05:39 PM
Well i saw bunch of mafia-related sites/boards using Mukremin's charts.
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/18/12 06:02 PM
lol "most popular age group: 13-17 year olds"
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/18/12 07:07 PM
I haven't seen Mukremin here in awhile.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 12:18 PM
Hello people, whats up?
i was away for a while, some problems at work etc. Nothing big..
And yes, i am aware they are using the charts. Cant do something about it, some websites did ask permission.
Daily mail UK:
www.dailymail.co.uk/ also asked for permission, i havent checked the website. But i wasnt aware of the facebook thing, cant get access because i dont have an account.
Posted By: NickyScarfo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 01:15 PM
Hope all is well Mukremin, wow the Daily Mail asked for your charts?! That's amazing!
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 02:17 PM
How come you can't get a facebook account?
Hello people, whats up?
i was away for a while, some problems at work etc. Nothing big..
And yes, i am aware they are using the charts. Cant do something about it, some websites did ask permission.
Daily mail UK:
www.dailymail.co.uk/ also asked for permission, i havent checked the website. But i wasnt aware of the facebook thing, cant get access because i dont have an account.
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 02:44 PM
I went there and asked them if they asked for permission to use those charts. Maybe I'll get an answer.
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 03:04 PM
Ok, this was their reply to me under the Gambino chart:
No Permission required as the founder of this site was one of the person's involved who actually created these charts.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 03:44 PM
Hmm interesting
i am interested in that person, who is that person?
And yes, i am well thank God.
I am a anti-facebook guy
so thats the reason i am not on facebook
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 04:28 PM
Hmm interesting
i am interested in that person, who is that person?
And yes, i am well thank God.
I am a anti-facebook guy
so thats the reason i am not on facebook
I don't know who it is, but I could go tell him off if you want me to.
Posted By: TonyG
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 04:53 PM
Hmm interesting
i am interested in that person, who is that person?
And yes, i am well thank God.
I am a anti-facebook guy
so thats the reason i am not on facebook
I don't know who it is, but I could go tell him off if you want me to.
Welcome back Muk - good to see you.
Carmela - go get them!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 04:53 PM
Did he edit the charts in any way? If not, he can keep it posted. But he must stop claims that some other guy has been making those charts.
maybe i will open a facebook account.
Posted By: dontommasino
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 04:55 PM
Gambino Crime Family 1985
x - Death was a homicide
p - Committee of members who briefly ran the Family in 1986 when Gotti was incarcerated. Angelo Ruggiero (1940-1989) was included in this group
¤ - Captains who constituted the "Manhattan faction", or "Dellacroce faction" within the Family
Former bosses
Salvatore "Tata" D´Aquila (1877-1928x)
Alfredo "Al Mineo" Manfredi (1880-1930x)
Francesco "don Cheech" Scalise (1893-1957x)
Vincent Mangano (1888-1951x)
Albert Anastasia (1903-1957x)
Carlo Gambino (1902-1976)
Boss
"Big" Paul Castellano (1912-1985x) (under indictment at the time)
Underboss
Aniello "Neil" Dellacroce (1914-1985) (under indictment at the time)
Consigliere
Joesph N. Gallo (1912-1995) Indicted 1987, imprisoned 1988, retired
Captains
Thomas Bilotti (1940-1985x) Briefly served as underboss
John Gotti Sr (¤)(1940-2002) Became boss after the Castellano killing
Joseph "Piney" Armone (p)(1917-1992) Became underboss in 1986 (after the DeCicco killing), Indicted 1987, imprisoned 1988, retired
Frankie "Locs" Locascio (1933- ) Became acting underboss 1987, acting consigliere 1989
Ettore "Terry" Zappi (1904-1986) (In semi-retirement at the time)
Joseph Paterno (1923-1988)
Jimmy "Brown" Failla (1919-1999)
Joey "A" Arcuri (1913-2007)
Salvatore "Toddo" Aurello (1914-1988) (In semi-retirement at the time)
Anthony "The Baker" Napolitano Sr (1900-1992)
Joe "Z" Zingaro (1912-1995) (In prison at the time)
Patsy Conte (1925- ) Indicted 1987, freed
Nino Gaggi (1925-1988) (In prison at the time)
Anthony Scotto (1934- ) Demoted by Gotti 1986
Olympio "Lilo" Garofalo (1904-1986)
Anthony "Fat Andy" Ruggiano Sr (1927-1999) Indicted 1986, became a fugitive but apprehended and imprisoned 1987
Frankie "Dap" D´Apolito (1923-1998)
Joe "Butch" Corrao (1936-2001) Indicted 1987, Imprisoned 1989
Mario Traina (1915-1994)
Angelo Mascia (1909-1986)
Tommy Gambino (1929- )
Mike "Tally" Caiazza (¤)(1912?-1994?) Demoted by Dellacroce 1985
Nicholas Corozzo (¤)(1940- ) Demoted by Gotti in 1986 (?)
Acting captains
Robert "DB" DiBernardo (1937-1986x) (For Zappi) Promoted to capo by Gotti after the Castellano killing
Salvatore "Sammy The Bull" Gravano (p)(1945- ) (For Aurello) Became capo in 1985, acting consigliere in 1987, acting underboss in 1989, official underboss in 1990
Greg DePalma (1932-2009) (For Zingaro)
Joe "Buddy" LaForte Jr (¤)(1941?- ) (For Caiazza) Demoted by Dellacroce in 1985
Notes
I believe Frank DeCicco (1935-1986x) inherited Tommy Bilotti´s crew in Dec 1985. That´s why I didn´t put him on the list above.
I know it´s a little controversial putting Nick Corozzo on the list since it´s all over internet that Corozzo was promoted to capo in the early 1990´s.
However, in Dellacroce´s indictment file of 1985, the prosecutors claim Corozzo was one of three crew leaders who answered to Dellacroce. Later on, Corozzo is listed as a member of Peter Gotti´s crew (I read this somewhere) before being promoted in the early 1990´s.
I believe it is possible that Corozzo was demoted by Gotti in 1986 but later promoted to a capo rank again.
And also, information suggests that Tommy "Breeze" DeBrizzi (?-1988x) functioned as an acting capo sometime around 1986-1987. I´m not sure he served in this capacity already in 1985.
In any case, he was demoted by Gotti and put in Tommy Gambino´s crew before being killed in 1988.
All feedback is welcome.
One of the things I was never conscious of was just how old some of the
caporegime are! Neil only controlled three crews? That doesn't seem like a ton of strength if a civil war were to have broken out in the Gambino Family.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/19/12 08:07 PM
I think bosses in general, and Castellano in particular, feel more comfortable of having guys their own age around them.
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/20/12 02:01 AM
Did he edit the charts in any way? If not, he can keep it posted. But he must stop claims that some other guy has been making those charts.
maybe i will open a facebook account.
He took the charts down. My work here is done.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/20/12 09:20 AM
Did he edit the charts in any way? If not, he can keep it posted. But he must stop claims that some other guy has been making those charts.
maybe i will open a facebook account.
He took the charts down. My work here is done.
Good job Carmela!
you showed us you got talent..
Posted By: dontommasino
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/20/12 02:48 PM
I think bosses in general, and Castellano in particular, feel more comfortable of having guys their own age around them.
That makes sense, although if you believe the history then Castellano had isolated himself from all but a few of those people.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/20/12 08:50 PM
Did he edit the charts in any way? If not, he can keep it posted. But he must stop claims that some other guy has been making those charts.
maybe i will open a facebook account.
He took the charts down. My work here is done.
Why am I not surprised???
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/20/12 09:07 PM
Hello people, whats up?
i was away for a while, some problems at work etc. Nothing big..
And yes, i am aware they are using the charts. Cant do something about it, some websites did ask permission.
Daily mail UK:
www.dailymail.co.uk/ also asked for permission, i havent checked the website. But i wasnt aware of the facebook thing, cant get access because i dont have an account.
Good to see you back Muk, i think my site was the first one to post up your charts. I randomly found this site posting them up as well
http://mafiatoday.com/mafia-families-gangs-gangsters/mafia-family-charts-and-leadership-2011/Hope your doing well bud.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/20/12 10:26 PM
Hi Dapper! yeah i am doing fine, thanks
if you search on google for images, you will come across many websites that post those charts. On one side its good to have people using it, that means they like it. But on the other hand, some use it like if they created it. We will see what the future holds
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/20/12 10:41 PM
Very true, good to hear your well.
Posted By: Gianlucas
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/18/12 01:48 PM
new mafia family charts for 2012??
Posted By: bladerkeks
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/18/12 01:48 PM
might be the wrong place,but are there maps of the territory of the different groups in NY?
Posted By: Gianlucas
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/18/12 01:53 PM
new mafia family charts family members for 2012?if possible new york,philly,detroit,and chicago e buffalo.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/18/12 09:07 PM
I am working on new 2012 charts, but it wont happen this month or next. A bit later this summer.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/18/12 09:08 PM
^^awesome, keep me posted so i can also update the charts on the site, hope all is well bud!
Posted By: bladerkeks
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/19/12 10:17 PM
no answer?:(
there is no such thing for NY like this :
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/19/12 10:49 PM
I suppose somebody could try doing it with the 5 families but the mob's presence in the greater NY area isn't so geographically defined nowadays. By that I mean all 5 families operate throughout the area to one degree or another. Some may have more presence in one area than another but it's not so compartmentalized.
Posted By: Gianlucas
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/21/12 12:20 PM
good!do you have other maps?
Posted By: Antonio
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/12/12 07:56 PM
I'd just like to say good work to all here, this site is great I have found somewhere with people who like to discuss organized crime and it's threat. Can't wait for the 2012 year charts, when will the genovese's get their new boss???
Also I would say the Lucchese crime family is more powerful than the Bonannos now days.
Posted By: pmac
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/14/12 08:57 PM
good chart would be on the persico family tree. andy mush russo is his snakes cousin then all his kids are soldiers there second cousin is vic orena i would like to see who else is related by blood or marige. thats crazy how criminal that family is. orena kids are cousins to snakes kids and there trying to kill each other. then michael persico is married to thomas petrizzo daughter it goes on and on.
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 02:31 PM
I found a the description of the succession of main mafia bosses in the province of Agrigento in Sicily (representatives of the province in the regional commission). I also inserted the dates of their staying in power, however some are missing as I didn’t manage to find them. Maybe somebody can fill up the missing parts.
It's from the book "Cosa muta" (Silent thing) by Alfonso Bugea.
????-????
Giuseppe Pitruzzella (forced to retire)
????-1981
Giuseppe Settecasi (murdered)
with
Gioacchino Pitruzzella (underboss)
Gerlando Caruana –> Paolo Campo –> Carmelo Colletti (consigliere)
1981-1983
Carmelo Colletti (murdered)
with
Gioacchino Pitruzzella (underboss; sentenced to 4 years; don’t know what happened later)
Antonio Ferro (underboss; died in freedom shortly after being released while indicted for murder)
1983-1991
Giuseppe Di Caro (murdered)
1991-1992
Ruling panel made composed of:
Salvatore Fragapane
Simone Capizzi (serving a life sentence)
Salvatore Di Ganci (recently released after serving 14 years)
Gioacchino Capodici (murdered)
Salvatore Gioia (murdered)
1992
Antonio Di Caro
1992-1995
Salvatore Fragapane (serving a life sentence)
with
Antonio Di Caro (underboss; murdered)
Cesare Lombardozzi (consigliere)
1995-????
Arturo Messina (died in prison while serving a life sentence)
Cesare Lombardozzi (in prison serving 13 years and 6 months)
????-1997
Leonardo Fragapane (died a natural death; don’t know if as a free man or in prison)
1997-????
Giuseppe Fanara (serving a life sentence)
2002-2010
Giuseppe Falsone (serving a life sentence)
2010-????
Gerlandino Messina (serving a life sentence)
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 02:51 PM
giuseppe falsone was made capoprovincia in 2002 after a mafia summit of all the bosses, underboss and some consiglieri of agrigento province and he was until his arrest in 2010
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 02:56 PM
But is Gerlandino Messina still considered the official representative of the province in the commission even though he is in prison or is he considered demoted?
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 02:59 PM
Giuseppe Falsone was together with Gerlandino Messina as boss of Agrigento Province. Gerlandino took over as godfather officially after Falsone's arrest in june, 2010. Gerlandino was fugitive for 11 years, captured in Oct, 2010. Both serving life sentences...as well as Gerlandino's older brother, Salvatore, serving life sentence as well.
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 03:00 PM
But is Gerlandino Messina still considered the official representative of the province in the commission even though he is in prison or is he considered demoted?
He is still the last named boss of Agrigento. He's under 41-bis though for life.
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 03:03 PM
according to the rules salvatore fragapane should be still the representative of the province until his death, but being imprisoned they need an acting representative
of course its possible fragapane was demoted so falsone is still the official
gerlandino messina was the underboss capoprovincia
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 03:07 PM
according to the rules salvatore fragapane should be still the representative of the province until his death, but being imprisoned they need an acting representative
of course its possible fragapane was demoted so falsone is still the official
gerlandino messina was the underboss capoprovincia
You're wrong about this. Gerlandino was boss of that province upon his arrest, not underboss. I'm not going to go back and forth on this with you. Do more research.
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 03:16 PM
where you get he was boss? i knew he was the underboss of the province
in that summit they elected falsone and according to letters seized from messina denaro it's clear falsone was the boss of the province
maybe they labeled gerlandino messina as boss because falsone was in prison at that time
Posted By: Five_Felonies
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 03:28 PM
i don't really know very much about the mafia down there. how many different families/clans are active?
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 03:30 PM
maybe they labeled gerlandino messina as boss because falsone was in prison at that time
And that's what I said in my earlier post in here. He is the last named godfather of agrigento as of today.
In addition, he was extremely close to Messina-Denaro as well... just as Falsone was. When he was captured, there were notes found on him with intention of going out to MMD.
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 03:33 PM
i don't really know very much about the mafia down there. how many different families/clans are active?
A lot,there are about 4500-5000 made members.As for La Stidda i really don't know.Maybe carmela can help.
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 04:05 PM
Here is the partial reconstruction of the mandamento headed by the Montevago boss Giuseppe La Rocca (in the Agrigento province again) made following the examination of anonymous letters sent to the police by Calogero Capizzi (former boss of the Ribera mafia family turned police informant) and the examination of papers found in his car after his disappearance.
It’s from the book “La mafia, la Stidda” by Franco Castaldo.
Montevago mandamento (1990)
Montevago family:
Giuseppe La Rocca (boss; capo mandamento)
Gino Guzzo
Sciacca family:
Salvatore Di Ganci (boss)
Ignazio Ambla
Accursio Dimino
Stefano Vitabile
Stefano Greco
Salvatore Greco
Francesco Dimino
Salvatore Ragusa
Calogero Maietta
Rosario Messana
Giacomo Ciaccio
Giacomo Latino
Oreste Bonavires
Giuseppe Lombardo
Francesco Lombardo
Giuseppe Bono (born 1931)
Giuseppe Bono (born 1910)
Calogero Liotta
Ribera family:
Simone Capizzi (boss; underboss of the mandamento)
Paolo Capizzi (born 1925)
Mauro Capizzi
Giuseppe Amico
Antonino Colletti
Sambuca family:
Pietro Campo (consigliere of the mandamento)
Michele Caloroso
Lucca Sicula family:
Silvestre Danna
Bivona family:
Carmelo Noto (boss)
Burgio Family:
Giovanni Derelitto (boss)
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 04:32 PM
La Stidda (and not meant to take this thread off topic, so I apologize) is nothing more of a gang of Cosa Nostra fuckups who couldn't and wouldn't adhere to mafia rules. Today...they have pretty much all been absolved into cosa nostra families again. They're still a bunch of fuck ups, imo.
Dwalin...good posting there! I wonder if that author Franco Castaldo is the same as the writer behind the online page on facebook I read everyday.
Would anybody here know? He posts up to the minute and is very good.
Here is link to the fb page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/GRANDANGO...do/160077363746
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/28/12 05:52 PM
Dwalin...good posting there! I wonder if that author Franco Castaldo is the same as the writer behind the online page on facebook I read everyday.
Would anybody here know? He posts up to the minute and is very good.
Here is link to the fb page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/GRANDANGO...do/160077363746 Yes, he is the same person. His books about the Agrigento mafia are very interesting. He send me his latest book about Falsone and Messina when I couldn't find it in any shops and didn't even charge me for it.
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/29/12 02:50 PM
I tried to write the succession of provincial representatives of all the provinces represented in the mafia commission, but the sources I found state incomplete information, many dates are missing and there is very little information about the underbosses and consiglieri. Also, there is much confusion about the Catania province, as I don't understand who was Santapaola's successor as representative of the province. Different sources I found on internet and in books list his son Vincenzo, Calogero Conti and Eugenio Galea, but don't state the chronological order and the dates. Maybe somebody could provide information so I can fill the missing parts?
Palermo province
1958-1963
Salvatore Greco (died a natural death as a fugitive)
1963-1968
????
1968-1975
Gaetano Badalamenti
with
Stefano Bontate (underboss; murdered)
Luciano Leggio (consigliere; died in prison while serving a life sentence)
1975-1978
Gaetano Badalamenti (died in prison in the USA while serving 45 years)
1978-1986
Michele Greco (died in prison while serving a life sentence)
1986-1993
Salvatore Riina (serving a life sentence)
1993-2006
Bernardo Provenzano (serving a life sentence)
2006
Ruling panel composed of:
Antonino Rotolo (serving a life sentence)
Francesco Bonura (serving 23 years)
Antonino Cinà (serving 16 years)
????-2008
Benedetto Capizzi (serving a life sentence; he was already serving even before he became the head of the commission, but was released under house arrest; I wonder why did they choose a chairman in such an unstable condition)
Trapani province
????-????
Andrea Fazio
????-1981
Nicola Buccellato (died in freedom a natural death; though at least one source states he was murdered; maybe they confused him with someone else)
1981-1993
Francesco Messina Denaro (died a natural death as a fugitive)
with
Mariano Agate (underboss; serving a life sentence)
Vincenzo Virga (consigliere; serving a life sentence)
1993-present
Matteo Messina Denaro (fugitive)
Caltanissetta province
????-1978
Giuseppe Di Cristina (murdered)
1978-????
Giuseppe Nasca
????-1992
Giuseppe Madonia (serving a life sentence)
1992-1994
????
1994-????
Domenico Vaccaro (free)
with
Luigi Ilardo (underboss)
????-1996
Luigi Ilardo (acting boss; murdered)
1996-1998
Lorenzo Vaccaro (acting boss; murdered)
1998-2001
????
2001-2004
Angelo Schillaci (serving 4 years and 6 months, in continuation with a previous sentence of 12 years)
2004-present?
Alfredo Schillaci or Domenico Vaccaro
Catania province
????-1978
Giuseppe Calderone (chairman of the regional commission; murdered)
with
Calogero Conti -> Antonino Calderone (underboss)
1978-????
Salvatore Ferrera
????-1982
Giuseppe Ferrera (serving a life sentence)
1982-1993
Benedetto Santapaola (serving a life sentence)
with
Eugenio Galea (underboss)
1993-present
Vincenzo Santapaola
with
Francesco La Rocca (underboss; serving a life sentence)
Enna province
????-????
Angelo Mongiovì (moved to Venezuela, don’t know what happened later)
????-1983
Giovanni Mungiovino (murdered)
1983-????
Francesco Seggio (murdered)
????-1985 ('86 ?)
Giacomo Sollami (serving a life sentence)
1985 (’86 ?)-1990
Paolo Valvo
with
Salvatore Saitta (underboss)
Gaetano Leonardo (consigliere)
1990-1992
Salvatore Saitta (murdered)
with
Gaetano Leonardo (underboss; serving a life sentence)
Liborio Miccichè (consigliere; murdered)
????-????
Raffaele Bevilacqua (serving a life sentence)
????-????
Salvatore Seminara
with
Vincenzo Militello (consigliere)
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/29/12 08:28 PM
domenico 'don mimì' vaccaro is free and probably boss of caltanissetta province
vincenzo santapaola is probably the boss of catania province since 1993 although arrested several times he was always acquitted in the trials
francesco la rocca, boss of caltagirone, is underboss of the province
salvatore seminara, boss of aidone family is the provincial boss of enna
vincenzo militello, boss of regalbuto, is consigliere provinciale
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/29/12 08:52 PM
i don't really know very much about the mafia down there. how many different families/clans are active?
there about 150-180 active families the made members are about 5.000 with about 50.000 associates
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/29/12 11:14 PM
domenico 'don mimì' vaccaro is free and probably boss of caltanissetta province
vincenzo santapaola is probably the boss of catania province since 1993 although arrested several times he was always acquitted in the trials
francesco la rocca, boss of caltagirone, is underboss of the province
salvatore seminara, boss of aidone family is the provincial boss of enna
vincenzo militello, boss of regalbuto, is consigliere provinciale
Thanks for the information. I had missed the news about Vaccaro's life sentence for the Ricottone murder being overturned.
But Francesco La Rocca is now in prison, the supreme court upheld this year his and Raffaele Bevilacqua's life sentence for the Calcagno murder.
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/30/12 01:03 PM
yes ciccio la rocca is in prison and i think his brother gesualdo too
but he's still the boss of caltagirone and provincial underboss and he named some acting boss over there
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 01:42 AM
I prepared a chart of the Porto Empedocle family as it was in 1997 according to what is written in the books I have. I chose this group because it was one of the few whose (almost) complete membership I managed to find and the only one for which I have enough photos. I know, there is no consigliere but the informants Pasquale Salemi and Alfonso Falzone (the underboss) for some reason never named one to the police. The family was in disarray in the 90s though after many members were killed by the stidda. Also, I put Domenico Seddio above the other associates on the picture because he was named by Pasquale Salemi as the most powerful one.
However, correct me please if I made any mistakes.
Click on the image to make it bigger
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 01:50 AM
^^^ Wow, good chart. The first I've seen anyone do on this family. This is the Messina-Salemi-Albanese cosca. There is Calogero Salemi missing, as you and I have spoken about. He was Pasquale Salemi's nephew and also killed by Stidda, indirectly, in a car bomb. There are also Caruana and [BadWord] members that should be on there.
Giuseppe Salemi was just arrested last year, by doing business with Stidda in Operation Hardom.
Good post, Dwalin.
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 01:58 AM
^^^ Wow, good chart. The first I've seen anyone do on this family. There is Calogero Salemi missing, as you and I have spoken about. He was Pasquale Salemi's nephew and also killed by Stidda, indirectly, in a car bomb.
Giuseppe Salemi was just arrested last year, by doing business with Stidda in Operation Hardom.
Good post, Dwalin.
I know there were Calogero Salemi and others, I didn't put them on the picture because they were already dead in 1997. It would be interesting to do other charts, but I don't have enough information about the structure and membership of the family before Luigi Putrone who rose to power in 1993.
However, thanks for the appreciation!
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 02:00 AM
There are also Caruana and [BadWord] members that should be on there.
But they are from the Siculiana family, headed in the 90s by Giuseppe Renna (probably) and Filippo Sciara.
By the way, why is Cun-trera always substituted by "badword" when we try to write it?
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 02:05 AM
There are also Caruana and [BadWord] members that should be on there.
But they are from the Siculiana family, headed in the 90s by Giuseppe Renna (probably) and Filippo Sciara.
By the way, why is Cun-trera always substituted by "badword" when we try to write it?
Yes, but they were intermarried into the Salemi and Messina families and part of the family. But you're right, they were originally from Siculiana. Today, many reside in Porto Empedocle.
Right, I understand about Calogero, but i see you included Giuseppe Messina, which I assume is Gerlandino's father? He was also killed in '86. Unless is a different Giuseppe?
The word Cun trera gets filtered out by the board censor because of the word c unt.
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 02:11 AM
Right, I understand about Calogero, but i see you included Giuseppe Messina, which I assume is Gerlandino's father? He was also killed in '86. Unless is a different Giuseppe?
I meant another Giuseppe Messina, the one who was acting boss after Gerlando, Giuseppe and Antonino were killed. He was captured in 2000. In the books they say he was Gerlandino's uncle, but he couldn't possibly be his father's brother since he was also named Giuseppe. Maybe he is the father's cousin or some other relative? I am not sure anymore which Giuseppe is on the photo. Maybe I should have checked for more information before putting him on the picture.
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 02:23 AM
I'm confused with this Giuseppe, too. But I'll find out for you and get back to this.
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 05:26 PM
anyway ribera, burgio and bivona are not in the same mandamento of montevago
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 06:11 PM
anyway ribera, burgio and bivona are not in the same mandamento of montevago
The book says they were in 1990
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/02/12 08:32 PM
Right, I understand about Calogero, but i see you included Giuseppe Messina, which I assume is Gerlandino's father? He was also killed in '86. Unless is a different Giuseppe?
I meant another Giuseppe Messina, the one who was acting boss after Gerlando, Giuseppe and Antonino were killed. He was captured in 2000. In the books they say he was Gerlandino's uncle, but he couldn't possibly be his father's brother since he was also named Giuseppe. Maybe he is the father's cousin or some other relative? I am not sure anymore which Giuseppe is on the photo. Maybe I should have checked for more information before putting him on the picture.
Giuseppe Messina on your chart that was captured in 2000, is Gerlando's brother, and Gerlandino's cousin, not his uncle. You have the correct pic there, as well.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/03/12 12:37 AM
I deleted it, because I was scared of offending some of the more tender members around here. I didn't want to use the word [BadWord] in public.
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/03/12 12:42 AM
oy vey
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/04/12 04:06 PM
The book says they were in 1990
today bivona is in the same mandamento with alessandria della rocca
ribera is in the same of ciaciana, burgio, luca sicula and others
montevago is in the mandamento with sciacca, sambuca, santa margherita belice
i think in 1990 was the same and that information is incorrect
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/04/12 04:27 PM
The book says they were in 1990
today bivona is in the same mandamento with alessandria della rocca
ribera is in the same of ciaciana, burgio, luca sicula and others
montevago is in the mandamento with sciacca, sambuca, santa margherita belice
i think in 1990 was the same and that information is incorrect
Maybe it is incorrect. But don't blame me, blame Calogero Capizzi with his anonymous letters to the police
I just copied what was in the book.
What sources of information do you have (just being curious)?
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/05/12 02:46 PM
my sources are all the police reports or declarations of informats in the latest 20 years sure more accurate than an anonymous letter
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/05/12 04:25 PM
my sources are all the police reports or declarations of informats in the latest 20 years sure more accurate than an anonymous letter
However, the author of the book, Franco Castaldo, is considered an expert on the mafia of that particular province, I don't think he would have included that chapter in the book if it was based only on anonymous letters. He must have had other sources.
I am not putting in doubt the authority of your sources, don't take offense. I was just wondering about the contradictions between your sources and the information in the book.
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/06/12 12:24 AM
maybe in the 1990 they were an unique mandamento and they split into two after although i doubt it
according to the latest news there is the
sciacca mandamento with sciacca, sambuca, santa margherita and montevago families
boss salvatore di gangi (sciacca) underboss leo sutera (sambuca)
ribera mandamento with ribera, cianciana, burgio, cattolica eraclea and lucca sicula families
boss andrea montalbano (cianciana)
alessandria della rocca mandamento with alessandria della rocca, bivona and santo stefano quisquina families
boss vincenzo ferranti (bivona)
Posted By: Gianlucas
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/08/12 06:30 AM
There is a chart of the Palermo clan?
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/09/12 04:46 PM
this is a list of acting capimandamento in freedom
brancaccio: benedetto graviano
santa maria gesù: cosimo vernengo
pagliarelli: giovanni motisi
passo di rigano: giovanni bosco
porta nuova: tommaso lo presti
san lorenzo: giulio caporrimo
noce: luigi caravello
resuttana: salvatore lo cicero
corleone: rosario lo bue
partinico: nicolò salto
misilmeri: francesco lo gerfo
san mauro castelverde: domenico farinella
bagheria: nicolò greco
cinisi: vito badalamenti
san giuseppe jato: gregorio agrigento
caccamo: domenico rancadore
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/09/12 10:17 PM
I once saw a dossier describing the structure of all known mafia families in Sicily in 1990. Unfortunately, it has been removed from internet and now there is a link to only the first 6 pages. It's in Italian though.
http://www.mafiapedia.it/tiki-index.php?page=L'Organigramma+della+Mafia
Click on mafia.pdf to open it
It's strange they put Salvatore Fragapane into the Caramazza family. I thought that in 1990 he was already a boss of his own family.
Posted By: m2w
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/10/12 02:46 PM
the caramazza family is the same as santa elisabetta family that's coz they put fragapane into it
biagio di giacomo they are talking to is the member of the patriarcas?
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/10/12 02:53 PM
biagio di giacomo they are talking to is the member of the patriarcas?
That's right. He married a Caramazza as well.
Posted By: Feech_La_Manna85
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/11/12 12:15 AM
Jus wanna say thanks to Muk, Hairyknuckles and everyone else who contributed to these charts. Im sure they took alot of time and work and they are awesome!!
Posted By: Fat_Ralph
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/18/12 10:44 AM
This thread is great, many thanks to whom posted it, sorry I dont know names yet I am new here, but Ive read many books that Ive seen in the thread about the mob books, also a big film buff of the topic... I have one question, I dont know if this was dicussed or even on here some-where, but is there any-where I can see Family Charts, but from the 50's when Valacci flipped, and layed out everything and most of the first Family Charts were put together.?
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/18/12 11:38 AM
This thread is great, many thanks to whom posted it, sorry I dont know names yet I am new here, but Ive read many books that Ive seen in the thread about the mob books, also a big film buff of the topic... I have one question, I dont know if this was dicussed or even on here some-where, but is there any-where I can see Family Charts, but from the 50's when Valacci flipped, and layed out everything and most of the first Family Charts were put together.?
Ralph, go to page 2 on this forum. Scroll down, almost to the bottom. Click on the "Charts from 60s and 70s" thread.
Here you will find the famous charts that were used in the Valachi Senate Hearings of 1963. The charts are not 100 percent accurate and a lot of names are missing. But the charts are legendary, first of its kind.
Welcome aboard!
Posted By: Fat_Ralph
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/18/12 05:31 PM
This thread is great, many thanks to whom posted it, sorry I dont know names yet I am new here, but Ive read many books that Ive seen in the thread about the mob books, also a big film buff of the topic... I have one question, I dont know if this was dicussed or even on here some-where, but is there any-where I can see Family Charts, but from the 50's when Valacci flipped, and layed out everything and most of the first Family Charts were put together.?
Ralph, go to page 2 on this forum. Scroll down, almost to the bottom. Click on the "Charts from 60s and 70s" thread.
Here you will find the famous charts that were used in the Valachi Senate Hearings of 1963. The charts are not 100 percent accurate and a lot of names are missing. But the charts are legendary, first of its kind.
Welcome aboard!
Thanks Knucks really appreciate it, I must've slid right by em.....
Posted By: Fat_Ralph
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/19/12 12:32 AM
I would love an update on the charts from 70s-80s/80s-90s, if at all possible..
Posted By: Fat_Ralph
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/20/12 05:18 AM
Anybody know where I can purchase the Family Charts framed for decorating.?
It would be a huge help..
-Ralph.
Posted By: bladerkeks
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/20/12 08:14 AM
there are websites where you can upload a picture and buy it as a poster or framed.but it will cost you if you dont have a coupon.
http://www.posterjack.com/ this is a german site,but as yuou can see its expensive.for german sites there are a lot of Vouchers.maybe for your location too.
Posted By: Fat_Ralph
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/20/12 08:20 AM
there are websites where you can upload a picture and buy it as a poster or framed.but it will cost you if you dont have a coupon.
http://www.posterjack.com/ this is a german site,but as yuou can see its expensive.for german sites there are a lot of Vouchers.maybe for your location too.
Thanks bro, Ill look into it..
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/26/12 06:18 PM
I prepared a chart of the Porto Empedocle family as it was in 1997 according to what is written in the books I have. I chose this group because it was one of the few whose (almost) complete membership I managed to find and the only one for which I have enough photos. I know, there is no consigliere but the informants Pasquale Salemi and Alfonso Falzone (the underboss) for some reason never named one to the police. The family was in disarray in the 90s though after many members were killed by the stidda. Also, I put Domenico Seddio above the other associates on the picture because he was named by Pasquale Salemi as the most powerful one.
However, correct me please if I made any mistakes.
Click on the image to make it bigger
I totally forgot to get back to this. With regard to Pasquale Salemi, he was taken out of wit sec and thrown in jail because he had told a lot of mistruths, as authorities had come to find out later on. And he withheld a lot of info he had, as well... such as a name for the consigliere.
Posted By: joeyjerk
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 09/04/12 02:25 AM
"ROM" Romminello (geneovese capo) is a really really nice guy.
And I am 95% sure Vinny Azuro (listed as a soldier in the Bonnano's)is actually a capo...he was in trouble like 10 years ago and the newspapers had him listed as a capo.
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Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 09/07/12 01:07 PM
Thanks guys, i am back from vacation. It wasnt any part of my plans, but i tried to read topics while i was away. Did i miss any major news? I heard that Matty passed away..
Posted By: wanda
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 09/20/12 03:12 PM
What information is available about Joey Flowers, besides he died In May of 2005 ...just curious
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/08/12 03:43 PM
Heres the updated Bonanno chart guys, take a look:
Bonanno Family:
Download:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/b1031352389258.htmlView:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Bonanno_Cosa_Nostra_Family.jpgthe files are big, so it may take a while before downloading or viewing
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/08/12 04:15 PM
Nice chart, but I think Vito Grimaldi and Vincent Asaro are caporegimes at least.
Read this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-capeci/mob-murder-in-montreal-co_b_417688.html
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/08/12 04:21 PM
I always thought the same about Asaro, but couldnt find a good source to back it up. I still have my doubts about Grimaldi tough.
What do you think about Vinny TV and Graziano? They still hold the position of Acting Boss and Consiglieri?
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/08/12 08:02 PM
Jerry Capeci lists Asaro as a capo. The Asaro family hail from Castellammare Del Golfo and have been part of the Bonanno family since the beginning. I see you do list Asaro's son, Jerome as a caporegime. Imo, you should switch them.
I don't know whether Vinny TV is still acting boss, but he's only serving a short sentence.
About Grimaldi I'm not sure. He could be consigliere.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/08/12 08:35 PM
Mukremin, your chart looks great. Graziano was indicted as a captain. It doesn´t seem like Grimaldi is a captain but please don´t quote me on that, because it´s pretty hard to know for sure. My personal belief is that Vincent Asaro does not serve as a captain any longer. But who knows, he may be in the administration serving as consigliere or underboss, or is in semi retirement. Extremely hard to know for sure.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/08/12 10:56 PM
My personal belief is that Vincent Asaro does not serve as a captain any longer. But who knows, he may be in the administration serving as consigliere or underboss, or is in semi retirement. Extremely hard to know for sure.
But do you think that he is below his own son in the Bonanno family hierarchy?
Posted By: pmac
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/08/12 11:27 PM
some soldiers report directly to the boss and in the 70tys. big paul had soldiers like funzi mosca and d.b. report direct to him gotti had guys like that to maybe its alot more common today. some of these old guys made in the 50tys there still active but are only soldier i bet there word holds more weight and are more respected then a 45 yr old capo who was made 10yrs ago. bonanno's have to have a street boss they got atleast 60+ guys in the street maybe a capo volunteerd just to right the ship not even for money or power.steps down as soon as a boss comes home or selected. ever since carmine persico been in prison he finds someone to step up.scarpa said in the 70tys persico had dibella step in as acting boss just cause persico wasnt offical boss yet.
Posted By: 123JoeSchmo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/09/12 12:52 AM
I had thought Joe Cammarano and Sammartino were out of jail along with Jerry Chilli
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/09/12 10:00 AM
My personal belief is that Vincent Asaro does not serve as a captain any longer. But who knows, he may be in the administration serving as consigliere or underboss, or is in semi retirement. Extremely hard to know for sure.
But do you think that he is below his own son in the Bonanno family hierarchy?
If he is semi retired, then yes. Asaro is extremely hard to figure out. He is pushing 80.
Another thing that´s intresting is the rank of Aiosa. According to Vitale, Aiosa was just a soldier. Muk, do you know for sure if Aiosa was made captain sometime after Vitale´s testimony?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/09/12 10:44 AM
I am not sure about Grimaldi, but i still have my doubts about Asaro. He may not hold the official rank of a capo, but he could be in a ruling panel or just a soldier with more power.
I will correct the mistakes soon, i can see that some capos and soldiers have been released from prison.
By the way, Vinny TV was also listed as a capo during the arrest right?
Concerning Aiosa, he was a capo way before Vitale. It could be that during the later years of Massino, he was bumped down to soldier. And currently he may be holding the rank of Capo. Dont got any accurate source on that, just assuming.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/09/12 12:25 PM
By the way, Vinny TV was also listed as a capo during the arrest right?
I haven´t seen or read the indictment but Badalamenti is most certainly a captain.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/09/12 12:39 PM
So Vincent Asaro's son, Jerome, is a caporegime in the Bonanno family?
Posted By: gamms
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/15/12 04:05 AM
sonny-yes. jerry skippers that crew.his dad is just a soldier. he has another uncle, jerome, whos made too.tv was the boss since 2010. that guy balsamo from staten island had his crew.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/15/12 08:49 PM
Balsamo is an acting Capo, Vinny tv was the acting boss.
Posted By: gamms
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/15/12 11:13 PM
that is what i said.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/17/12 12:45 AM
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/17/12 11:09 AM
Posted By: LouietheJap
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/12 08:53 PM
Muk my nigga. Do you have the Outfit's?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/12 09:07 PM
Hi Lou, no i havent made a Chicago Outfit chart. There was a good one recently, i dont want to remake one.
Posted By: thesicilian2309
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/12 10:02 PM
Hi at all! Can someone tell me where the crew of the zips (gambinos/bonannos) hangout? They have some clubs, restaurants, bars or bakery's???
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/19/12 12:32 AM
Muk my nigga. Do you have the Outfit's?
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7967/outfitt.gifhere is Chicago
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/19/12 01:01 AM
hey murkremin are you making any more charts besides nyc?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/19/12 07:59 AM
I am going to start working on updating the other charts, it will take time tough..
Posted By: Frank
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/20/12 02:19 PM
Nothing about Montreal??
Posted By: Mark
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/20/12 10:30 PM
I am going to start working on updating the other charts, it will take time tough..
Muk! Good to see you back in the house! Looking forward to seeing new charts soon.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/23/12 12:02 PM
Thanks Mark! I am working on updating the New York families, some faults are discovered. After that will start working on the other families, i am not working on Chicago and Montreal. Its to complex and messy job for me to do
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 12:26 AM
These charts are final, until new indicments/deaths etc. I also relisted Apalachin and 2 commission charts, enjoy..
New York 5 Mafia families:
Bonanno Family:
Download:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/1d ... 16278.html
Direct Image:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Bo ... Family.jpg
Colombo Family:
Download:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/5s ... 16278.html
Direct Image:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Co ... Family.jpg
Gambino Family:
Download:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/ku ... 16278.html
Direct Image:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Ga ... Family.jpg
Genovese Family:
Download:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/yX ... 16278.html
Direct Image:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Ge ... Family.jpg
Lucchese Family:
Download:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/5Q ... 16278.html
Direct Image:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Lu ... Family.jpg
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The Commission chart 1931:
Download:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/ky ... 16403.html
Direct Image:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Th ... n_1931.jpg
The Commission in 1961 chart:
Download:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/te ... 75304.html
Direct Image:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Th ... n_1961.jpg
Apalachin summit chart:
Download:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/files/1h ... 69473.html
Direct Image:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Ap ... _chart.jpg
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 12:36 AM
Thanks again Muk you're a legend
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 12:42 AM
Muk those are some great charts!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 12:45 AM
Thanks guys, you guys notice the major difference in the Colombo chart from 2011 and the current one
they are shrinking.... Bonannos seem to be growing.
Posted By: Dapper_Don
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 12:55 AM
^^the proverbial sinking ship that is the colombo crime family
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 01:08 AM
links don't work for me
has anyone made a Decalvacante chart?
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 04:18 AM
links don't work for me
has anyone made a Decalvacante chart?
Are you using google chrome ?
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 05:48 AM
no
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 05:48 AM
firefox
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 10:24 AM
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 10:28 AM
Links don't work
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 10:31 AM
try again mate
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 03:23 PM
try again mate
Now everything works,thank you Mukremin !!!
Posted By: Mark
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 03:43 PM
Muk - these are amazing. You are to be commended for all your hard work and diligence. Nice job!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 04:19 PM
Glad you fellas enjoy it, of course if anyone has pictures that arent listed? Feel free to send them to me.
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 05:10 PM
how do you even find some of the names on these charts?
Posted By: Imamobguy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 08:36 PM
how do you even find some of the names on these charts?
Informants, Federal Courts, Law Enforcement, Insiders.
Posted By: Imamobguy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/12 09:04 PM
- Dominick "Donny Shacks" Montemarano
- Andrew Russo
Posted By: Scalish
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/25/12 12:49 AM
Muk,
As always brother you are the king.
Posted By: Imamobguy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/25/12 02:11 PM
How about the Rizzuto family?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/25/12 05:56 PM
Naah, i wont get into that. Its too complicated to make a Rizzuto chart, Sonny has made some nice charts of the Rizzutos.
Posted By: Cibola
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 01:46 AM
Thanks for the charts very impressive and well done!
(Yes, I specially registered for saying that)
Posted By: LouietheJap
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 02:51 AM
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 06:37 PM
Thanks Cibola, i appreciate it.
Posted By: Imamobguy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 06:41 PM
You should mail some of these to some authors or experts on that, and show your whole charts. I actually like them. The news are now living 5 years back whenever they report on Cosa Nostra.
Posted By: DickNose_Moltasanti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 06:53 PM
. I actually like them. The news are now living 5 years back whenever they report on Cosa Nostra.
And who are you again? I don't think you even know?
The son of no one?
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 06:57 PM
. I actually like them. The news are now living 5 years back whenever they report on Cosa Nostra.
And who are you again? I don't think you even know?
The son of no one?
The son of mob guy
Posted By: Imamobguy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 06:59 PM
Dicknose - Don't start your crap on this thread. Try my messages or shout box than mess up a good thread.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 07:10 PM
I know my charts were posted on DailynewsUK, and George Anastasia saw my Philly chart last year. The chart was accurate at the moment, but now we know that Ligambi never was the official boss. Anyways... Anastasia said the chart was as accurate as the feds have.
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 10:45 PM
did he mention your charts on mobtalk?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 11:05 PM
no he didnt, they could have shown it just for a couple of seconds
i wouldnt mind.
Posted By: Scalish
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/12 11:46 PM
Well whatever you are doing Muk don't stop.
Keep up the good work.
I see no DM on the charts? Nothing on "The General" or the others? Is this still a work in progress? Or are they not recognized in the charts? Just curious and wanted to know how it Works, If I may.
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/30/12 10:31 PM
I see no DM on the charts? Nothing on "The General" or the others? Is this still a work in progress? Or are they not recognized in the charts? Just curious and wanted to know how it Works, If I may.
DM,"The General" - who are they?
DM "Dixie Mafia" and Carlton "The General " Clay Russell. Look back in other forums and there should be info on that. Wikipedia also. There is one guy on here that usually has alot to say in reference to the Dixie Mafia, and was "Craving Information" on them. He is well informed so I'm sure he could help with the charts, or anything to do with them. I'm not sure how it works thats why I was asking?
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/30/12 11:11 PM
DM "Dixie Mafia" and Carlton "The General " Clay Russell. Look back in other forums and there should be info on that. Wikipedia also. There is one guy on here that usually has alot to say in reference to the Dixie Mafia, and was "Craving Information" on them. He is well informed so I'm sure he could help with the charts, or anything to do with them. I'm not sure how it works thats why I was asking?
Who is the poster who knows (or wants to know) alot about them? Tbh reading the wiki page ( that's probably mostly bs ) i was quite interested. As far as i know and i've not been here long they've not been mentioned often so i doubt a chart on them will be made. If you and this other poster and whoever else has enough knowledge on them to create a chart and maybe a thread with some accurate info on themv i'm sure people including me will be interested.
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/30/12 11:15 PM
Are they active today ?
Posted By: Toodoped
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/01/12 11:47 AM
all working independently,few guys here and there
Posted By: johnnyboysala
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/18/12 12:08 PM
Bit of a long shot, but are there any Sicilian family charts? I'm particularly interested in the Porta Nuova mandamento, as I have family in the Borga Vecchio.
One other question, how many capos are the DeCavalcantes estimated to have? Just the five that appear on the chart?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/20/12 10:11 PM
No plans for the Sicilian familes, since its hard to make an estimate and who is who.
Heres the DeCavalcante chart i made in 2010:
Direct Image:
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/NJ_DeCavalcante_Cosa_Nostra_Family.jpg
Posted By: LCN1987
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/06/13 01:11 PM
The charts are down it seems.
Posted By: stern49
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/08/13 12:14 PM
Mukremin, your KC one don't work anymore. Love your photo charts. You guys did a great job. If you can do that Buffalo crime family chart that'll be superb. I've sent you 6 photos (3 never seen on the net) to you. Hope you received them. Best of luck on future work.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/08/13 06:01 PM
thanks guys, will be releasing the updated Buffalo chart on request, i will also relist the charts, provide new links.
Posted By: LCN1987
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/08/13 06:50 PM
thanks guys, will be releasing the updated Buffalo chart on request, i will also relist the charts, provide new links.
Thanks, Mukremin
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/08/13 09:54 PM
Posted By: pmac
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/08/13 10:06 PM
when the chart goes from big to tiny print how do i get the large print back, the little print isnt readable?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/08/13 11:03 PM
you can click on it to zoom in, or zoom out. You can also right click on it and save in high res.
Posted By: Scalish
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/08/13 11:38 PM
Thanks Muk.
Posted By: stern49
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/09/13 06:49 AM
Nice work Muk!!!!
Posted By: Mark
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/11/13 12:17 AM
Muk - you are a true gentleman. Great work. These are much appreciated!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/11/13 09:25 PM
Here is the Buffalo so far, i want to thank stern for his help getting pictures and info. I must say that i dont believe there is anything left in Buffalo to be called a family. But i have released this as a request for the forum members, take a look and enjoy
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Buffalo_Cosa_Nostra_family.jpg
Posted By: NickyEyes1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/11/13 09:33 PM
Looks good. I thought everyone said
Leonard Falzone was boss
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/11/13 09:42 PM
We dont have any source on who is boss, he used to be consiglieri and after that supposedly underboss. Some say hes the boss now, but others claim not. Its like taking a gamble when your making a chart
cant statisfy everyone
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/11/13 10:00 PM
i corrected the soldiers, no more associates because it gets confusing.
http://www.freeuploadshare.com/image/Buffalo_Cosa_Nostra_family.jpg
Posted By: stern49
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/12/13 05:35 PM
Great job, Muk. Do you think you should add James Feliciano, the 35 year old as a member? He was born in 1977. I don't know if he really was made. What do you or Ivy think?
Posted By: Giancarlo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/15/13 08:43 AM
Those are some really nice charts you made Mukremin. Looks like you put in a lot of effort to make them.
Thanks for posting them.
I really liked all the photo's you used on them too.
It was a pretty big download for a chart and i had trouble the first couple times getting the complete chart but in the end i did download them.
Thanks again, keep up the good work.
Posted By: bike
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/17/13 03:22 PM
I really liked all the photo's you used on them too.Every thing is clear and there is no ambiguity at all.
Thanks for sharing.
Posted By: DonMega
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/04/13 05:15 PM
links are dead pls somebody update
Posted By: SicilianJohn
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/06/13 06:45 AM
Don't be fooled by their looks. I know (or knew) many of these guys and they are intelligent in a way that most of us aren't. They're ruthless, treacherous and have no conscience, which makes for a very dangerous person. They are experts in survival, street style. Extreme caution is warranted.
Posted By: Scalish
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/06/13 11:02 PM
SicilianJohn,
I mean no bad with this trust me bro but what the hell do you mean by that comment.
Posted By: SicilianJohn
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/08/13 03:12 AM
Scalish, I'm still trying to get used to this site so I probably could have made myself clearer. Earlier in this thread sveral people were posting things like:
"Looking at all those guys, most of them don't look very bright. Talking about the 'general attrition' hypothesis. It's not like it used to be... But looks can be deceiving though. wink"
So I answered them but probably put it in the wrong place.
Posted By: Scalish
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/08/13 11:06 AM
SicilianJohn,
All good my man. Just did not get but now I do. Welcome to the board bro.
Posted By: Skinny
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/08/13 04:08 PM
Sicilian john, reppin da HB.
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/09/13 12:29 AM
I have recently read 2 books about the 'ndrangheta in the province of Cosenza which have some rare photos and descriptions of less known facts about the mafia wars in the 70s and the 80s. So I made some charts (incomplete, unfortunately) and translated a couple of pages from one of the books so you understand what are the charts about:
The Cosenza province has been the last one of the Calabrian provinces to end up in the grip of the ‘ndrangheta. In 1903 86 people have been convicted for gang association. Their leader was Stanislao De Luca, a young man from a good family, aided by one Francesco De Francesco, nickamed “za Peppa”. The clan had initiation rites similar to the ones of the “picciotteria” of Reggio and Catanzaro.
After that, the criminal organizations remained unnoticed for a long time. From the 30s to the 60s one of the most feared bosses was Luigi Pennino, a freelance photographer, very good at using the knife.
The clans drew attention to them again when Luigi Palermo, nicknamed “Zorro”, a boss who made career under Pennino, has been killed in Cosenza 14 December 1977. It was Franco Pino, a young ambitious gangster, who ordered his murder. A war without quarter started. The Muto clan of Cetraro, the Basile-Calvano of San Lucido and the boss Giuseppe Cirillo (the trusted man of Raffaele Cutolo’s New Organized Camorra in the Sibari area) took the side of Franco Pino and his main ally, Antonio Sena.
The Pranno brothers and the Vitellis, the Africanos of Amantea and the Serpas of Paola chose to take the side of Franco Perna, the killed boss’s nephew-in law instead.
The war continued until the end of the 80s. Dozens of people have been killed, including a 12-year-old boy, Pasqualino Perri, the son of a businessman close to the Pino-Sena group. Another significant episode of this violent conflict was the murder by the Pino-Sena group of two members of the Reggio ‘ndrangheta the 6 August 1983 in Scalea, at the request of the clans of Reggio Calabria headed by Pasquale Condello and Giovanni Fontana. In Cetraro, Giannino Lo Sardo was killed, chief secretary of the Public Prosecutor’s office in Paola and Comunist councillor, an enemy of the clans of the Cozenza province.
“They only kill each other, it’s better to wait”. That’s what was often heard in Cosenza during the 80s. The fighting clans hunted each other like beasts. To kill the enemy, before he kills you.
At the end of the 80s, after dozens of murders, a “pax mafiosa” (mafia peace) was established, although it was short-lived because of the detachment of the Bartolomeo-Notargiacomo group from the Perna-Pranno-Vitelli clan. It was then that the murder of Sergio Cosmai, the director of the Cosenza prison, was committed. “My husband”, Tiziana Palazzo says, “has been killed by the ‘ndrangheta because he was a state official who believed in the respect of the law”. Before Cosmai’s arrival, the imprisoned clan members of Cosenza lived by small and big privileges. 21 June 1983 there was a mutiny. The prisoners wanted the lengthening of out-of-cell time. The director of the prison decided to use severe methods. Some prison guards used batons to convince the prisoners to re-enter their cells. Even the boss Francesco Perna didn’t avoid being beaten by the guards. And he remembered this very well. “I want a 12-caliber sawed-off shotgun” he is alleged to have said in prison “because when I will shoot him, I have to disfigure him, I must reduce him to such conditions to make him unrecognizable”.
12 March 1985 Cosmai was killed by a Perna clan hitman while he was in his Fiat 500 on the way to take his daughter from school.
The second mafia war was also a massacre. One of the most ferocious episodes was the murder of the brothers Stefano and Giuseppe Bartolomeo, 24 and 26 years old, kidnapped 5 January 1991. The bodies of the two brothers were dissolved in acid, as the murderers Aldo Acri’, Ferdinando Vitelli, Angelo Santolla and Mario Pranno declared. An underage boy, Francesco Bruni, was killed in November 1991 to take revenge on his father, considered responsible for the death of Francesco Carelli, close to the Pranno-Vitelli group. He was 16 years old. He was found with his throat slit, strangled with an iron wire in a ravine among the woods under Montescuro, one of the tallest Mountains of the Silan highland.
During the operation “Missing” in October 2006 a quarter of the century of mafia wars in the Cosenza province has been reconstructed, with the arrest of the bosses Giuseppe Irilli and Domenico Cicero, top members of the former Perna-Pranno clan, and the brothers Michele and Pasquale Bruni, bosses of the homonymous clan. Francesco Muto, the boss of Cetraro, and the bosses of San Lucido and Paola, Romeo Calvano and Giuliano Serpa, were also indicted.
Thanks to the decimation of the ‘ndrine of Crari, the so-called “gypsy clan” took over the drug trafficking. Only in December 2007 the antimafia law about the assets sequestration was applied for the first time.
The end of the 70s:The Pino clan during the 80s:The Perna clan during the 80s:
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/09/13 06:33 PM
I don´t know anything about these guys, but I can see the effort behind the charts. Good work!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/09/13 11:25 PM
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/11/13 10:49 PM
Nice work.
Don't like the design, but I guess this isn't an art contest...
Any updated chart of Detroit?
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/13 11:12 PM
I found this document about the trial of some 'ndrangheta groups for the gang war that happened in the 80s (unfortunately it's only available in Italian).
http://www.stopndrangheta.it/file/stopndrangheta_439.pdfIf I got it right, it describes the groups as they were at the moment of the arrests made in 1992, with the so-called operation "Olimpia".
Here I tried to make a chart of the Libri 'ndrina. However, I put on it only the members listed in the document and they seem too few for one of the most powerful 'ndrangheta clans. Maybe they weren't able to identify the other members back then. Maybe somebody could provide information to complete the chart?
Posted By: EastHarlemItal
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/12/13 11:23 PM
Some handsome fella's there!
Posted By: Skinny
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/13/13 02:19 AM
Marios nickname must be Fabio
Posted By: Vigil
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/18/13 06:15 AM
Very cool charts! Thank you for posting all of them.
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/18/13 10:07 PM
Siderno Group chart I found on a weird Canadian football hooligans' site:
http://canadianfootball.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/mob-tree.jpg
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/19/13 01:00 PM
I tried to make a chart of the Racalmuto mafia in 1991 (Racalmuto is in the province of Agrigento):
However, I am not sure if it's 100% correct as I don't know if Diego Di Gati was the only capo in the family in 1991 when the war with the stidda started. However, it's possible he was the only one as the family was quite small and not very powerful, they even had to ask the help of Salvatore Fragapane from Santa Elisabetta.
Also, I am not sure who of the low-level members was actually made and who was just an associate. I read Nicolo' Cino and Diego Petruzzella were made, but I don't know for sure about the others. Maurizio Di Gati was made later, in 1991 he was just an associate.
Posted By: Sonny_Black
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/19/13 08:56 PM
Great chart! You know, that no image picture is actually a picture of Vito Rizzuto.
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/22/13 11:36 PM
Here I made a chart of the Castelvetrano family in the 90s. But there might be one HUGE mistake about the capos: I read a book published in 1993, before the trial and the convictions, so they changed many of the surnames. In the book they call the 2 capos "Saverio Riesi" and "Peppe Nicastro". Saverio Riesi must be Saverio Furnari, but I still don't understand who Giuseppe Nicastro might be. In the family, as I read, there were 2 high-placed members named Giuseppe: Marotta and Clemente, i think it's one of them, but who? Anyway, I put them both on the same level on the chart because another book states they later had more or less the same power.
Also, I found no mention of who the underboss of the family might have been. But I read that, when Francesco Messina Denaro went into hiding, the consigliere (Vaccarino) became acting boss.
P.S. I hope Matteo Messina Denaro won't find and kill me for the mistakes I may have made in this chart
And here is a chart of the Catania family in the 80s. I made it according to this document which contains the interrogation of Antonino Calderone, the former underboss of the family.
http://archiviopiolatorre.camera.it/img-repo/fondo_zupo/Sez._I_serie_0001_Vol_022.pdfStrangely, it seems that according to him at the beginning of the 80s Santapaola only had 1 capo, while in the 70s they were at leat 2. Maybe the other one went with Alfio Ferlito and his group.
Posted By: LittleNicky
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/06/13 04:19 AM
What program do you guys use to make the charts?
Posted By: Skinny
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/08/13 03:41 PM
John Riggis out of the can. Hes oooooldddd bro! Doesnt even look like that pic.
Posted By: Dwalin2011
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/08/13 10:30 PM
What program do you guys use to make the charts?
I use Microsoft Publisher.
Posted By: vinnietoothpicks26
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/13 09:33 PM
Is Tin ear sclafani out already? I just read the book about the jersey family "made men". From the looks of their chart, the Decalvecantes are decimated; mabye 30 guys on the street.
Posted By: cheech
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/13 11:57 PM
I thought made men was a good book. That vinny ocean was a shady character
Posted By: KevinRoe
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/26/13 05:34 AM
Hmm nice to read this and it is really beneficial to get information from this. Thank you for sharing this.
Posted By: TommyGambino
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/28/13 10:23 PM
Any Patriarca chart?
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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 04/15/13 06:52 PM
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Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 04/15/13 07:30 PM
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Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 04/18/13 02:31 AM
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Posted By: Gotti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/27/13 07:38 PM
For some reason these don't load for me. Anyone know any other way I can view them?
Posted By: flattax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/27/13 10:34 PM
I guess just go to starter.instantrewards.net in your browser??? It does not load for me either.
Posted By: cornerkid
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/29/13 02:02 PM
any updates on New England? I can't link up to anything.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/03/13 12:43 AM
Tony "Dutchie" Tuzzo (1912-2000)
Died around (1976)
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/03/13 07:35 AM
Tony "Dutchie" Tuzzo (1912-2000)
Died around (1976)
If correct, thanks for the info, Torrie.
It´s hard finding any solid info on Tuzzo. Do you know anything about him? For example, did he live in Fort Lee, NJ? Any blood relation with Charles (Chuckie)?
Welcome to the boards!
Posted By: Skinny
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/03/13 11:25 PM
Tony "Dutchie" Tuzzo (1912-2000)
Died around (1976)
If correct, thanks for the info, Torrie.
It´s hard finding any solid info on Tuzzo. Do you know anything about him? For example, did he live in Fort Lee, NJ? Any blood relation with Charles (Chuckie)?
Welcome to the boards!
think hes chuckies father.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/04/13 08:00 AM
Tony "Dutchie" Tuzzo (1912-2000)
Died around (1976)
If correct, thanks for the info, Torrie.
It´s hard finding any solid info on Tuzzo. Do you know anything about him? For example, did he live in Fort Lee, NJ? Any blood relation with Charles (Chuckie)?
Welcome to the boards!
think hes chuckies father.
I think so too, Skinny. But I haven´t found anything that confirms it.
Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/10/13 01:08 AM
Likewise would love to see one, Muk?
Posted By: FunnyHow
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/14/13 07:32 PM
Is there a way to see these without downloading them?
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/20/13 01:54 AM
Now I just checked and could it be possible there are 2 Anthony or Tony " Dutchie" Tuzzo. The one I was referring to was referenced in the book "The Five Families" pg 579?
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/20/13 08:15 AM
Now I just checked and could it be possible there are 2 Anthony or Tony " Dutchie" Tuzzo. The one I was referring to was referenced in the book "The Five Families" pg 579?
Two Tony "Dutchie" Tuzzo members of the NY Mafia, you mean? I don´t think so. I don´t think I have ever come across two mobsters sharing the same first and last name also sharing the same nick name. And I have been researching these guys for a long time. The Anthony Tuzzo, who passed away in 2000 and listed in the Social Security Death Index, apparently lived at some point in Fort Lee, NJ. If we are able to find out that "our" Anthony Tuzzo, the Genovese captain, lived in Fort Lee, NJ then we would know for sure his year of death. The Anthony Tuzzo listed in the SSDI was born in 1912 which coincides with what we do know about "our" Tony Tuzzo.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/20/13 05:47 PM
Well the one I know of is referred as Anthony "dutchie" Tuzzo is from Brooklyn, born in 1912 died around 1974? Yes and was also in the Genovese Crime Family. Read page 579 The Five Families. Now the only thing that is possible is the difference is Anthony or Tony.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/20/13 07:12 PM
Well the one I know of is referred as Anthony "dutchie" Tuzzo is from Brooklyn, born in 1912 died around 1974? Yes and was also in the Genovese Crime Family. Read page 579 The Five Families. Now the only thing that is possible is the difference is Anthony or Tony.
Yes I have read that page. But nowhere on that page says Tuzzo died in 1974. Would be interesting to know, where did you come across info saying that?
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/20/13 11:09 PM
Because that Anthony "dutchie" Tuzzo was connected to Gerard Pappa died approximately 6 years before, Gerard Pappa was killed.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/21/13 08:19 AM
Because that Anthony "dutchie" Tuzzo was connected to Gerard Pappa died approximately 6 years before, Gerard Pappa was killed.
Okay. But where did you read/hear that? Sometimes knowing the source helps evaluate the info.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/21/13 08:54 AM
The "dutchie" I know died when I was a kid, I called him uncle Anthony or uncle dutchie.
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/21/13 09:03 AM
Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. That makes sense. The Anthony Tuzzo listed in the SSDI (and who lived in Fort Lee, NJ) is an entirely different Anthony Tuzzo. Probably not connected to organized crime in any way.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/24/13 02:26 AM
You're welcome
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/24/13 09:15 AM
Torrie (and anybody else who is interested in info on Tony Dutchie), I have just received some info on him from a reliable source who knows his stuff. The source met Dutchie at a place called Villa 66 a couple of times sometime prior to his death in 1974 (he believe it was). So you are right about him passing away around 1974. Villa 66 is the same place where Gerry Pappa was killed in 1980. Dutchie had very bad hearing, he was frail and old looking guy. He had hearing aids, but never let that fool anyone he could read lips from across the room. He did a lot of time in prison for a murder he did not do and was very close to Gus Frasca, a Genovese captain who passed away in 1980. Tuzzo got his name "Dutchie" because as a young man he had redish hair they use to say like a Dutchman. Dutchie loved his pigeons. He had coops on the roof of his restaurant.
My source never told me which restaurant but possibly the place was Villa 66.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/24/13 12:43 PM
Im kind of interested to see what the next Philly family chart is going to look like with a few new members, different hierarchy, and the scarfo guys back on the street. but im guessing the only people that know right now are the actual philly guys themselves.
Posted By: wallyn
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/23/13 09:54 PM
Boss (official and acting)[edit]
1910–1928— Salvatore "Toto" D'Aquila [58][59][60] – took over the Brooklyn Camorra in 1916 and merged with "Al Mineo's gang" forming the largest family in New York. He was killed on orders of boss Joe Masseria in 1928.
1928–1930—Alfred "Al Mineo" Manfredi – killed in Castellammarese War 1930.
1930–1931 — Francesco "Frank/Don Cheech" Scalise – demoted after murder of boss of all bosses Salvatore Maranzano.
1931–1951 — Vincenzo "Vincent" Mangano – disappeared in April 1951, allegedly killed on orders of underboss Albert Anastasia.
1951–1957 — Albert "Mad Hatter" Anastasia – murdered in October 1957 on orders of underboss Carlo Gambino.
1957–1976 — Carlo "The Godfather" Gambino – died of natural causes 1976.
Acting 1974–1976 — Paul Castellano – acting boss during Gambino's illness, became official boss after his death.
1976–1985 — Paul "Big Paul" Castellano – killed on orders of capo John Gotti.
1985–2002 — John "Dapper Don" Gotti – imprisoned in 1990, died in 2002.
Acting 1992–1999 — John A. Gotti, also known as John "Junior" Gotti, – imprisoned in 1999.
Acting 1999–2002 — Peter Gotti – promoted to official boss.
2002–2011 — Peter "One Eye" Gotti – imprisoned in 2002, serving life sentence.
Acting 2002–2005 — Arnold "Zeke" Squitieri – imprisoned in 2006, projected release date is December 18, 2012.[61]
Acting 2005–2008 — Nicholas "Little Nick" Corozzo – convicted in 2008, projected release date is in 2020.
Acting 2008–2010 — Ruling Committee/Panel: Daniel Marino (jailed), Bartolomeo "Bobby" Vernace (jailed), and John Gambino.
2011–present – Domenico Cefalu
Street boss[edit]
Street boss is a position created 2005. It was the second most powerful position in the organization.
2005–2011 John "Jackie the Nose" D'Amico[62]
Underboss (official and acting)[edit]
The underboss was traditionally the second most powerful position in the Gambino family (after the boss). However, the 2005 appointment of Jackie D'Amico as "street boss" made that position more important than underboss.
19??-1928 Alfred Mineo (his group merged with the D'Aquila family at the start of Prohibition. Mineo was killed in 1930)
1928–1930 Steve Ferrigno (killed in 1930)
1931–1951 Albert "Mad Hatter" Anastasia (became official boss in 1951)
1951–1957 Frank Scalice (murdered in 1957)
1957 Carlo Gambino (became official boss in 1957)
1957–1965 Joseph Biondo (removed by boss Carlo Gambino in 1965)
1965–1985 Aniello "Neil" Dellacroce (died of natural causes in 1985)
Acting 1974–1975 James "Jimmy Brown" Failla (replaced by Dellacroce after release from prison)
Dec 1985 Thomas Bilotti (Murdered in 1985 on orders of capo John Gotti after 11 days)
1985–1986 Frank DeCicco (murdered in 1986 by Lucchese crime family hitmen)
1986–1990 Joseph "Piney" Armone (imprisoned in 1986, died in prison 1992)
Acting 1986–1990 Frank Locascio (moved to acting consigliere in 1990)
1990–1991 Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano (turned government witness in 1991)
1991–1999 Vacant
1999–2012 Arnold "Squiggy" Squitieri (imprisoned, projected release date is December 18, 2012)
Acting 2002–2005 Anthony "The Genius" Megale (projected release date is July 18, 2014)[61]
Acting 2005–2011 Domenico "Italian Dom" Cefalu (became boss)[62]
2012–present Frank Cali
Consigliere (official and acting)[edit]
In Italian, consigliere means "advisor." The consigliere's highest priority is to help the boss make decisions. Together, the boss, street boss, underboss, and consigliere are referred to as "the administration."
19??-1930 Giuseppe Triana
1931–1951 Philip Mangano
1951–1957 Giuseppe "Joe Bandy" Biondo
1957–1967 Joseph "Staten Island Joe" Riccobono
1967–1987 Joseph "Joe N." Gallo
1987–1990 Salvatore "Sammy the Bull" Gravano
1990–1992 Joseph "Joe Piney" Armone
1990–1992 Frank "Frankie Loc" Locascio
1992–1999
1999–present Joseph "Jo Jo" Corozzo (jailed since 2008, release date is January 5, 2015.)
Committee[edit]
Several capo committees have periodically replaced the underboss and consigliere positions, allowing an imprisoned boss better control of the family.
1991–1992 – committee John Gotti, Jr., James "Jimmy Brown" Failla, Nicholas "Little Nick" Corozzo, John "Jackie Nose" D'Amico, Louis "Big Lou" Vallario, Peter "Petey Boy" Gotti
1992–1993 – committee John "Junior" Gotti, James Failla, John D'Amico, Louis Vallario, Peter Gotti
1993–1994 – committee John "Junior" Gotti, Nicholas Corozzo, John D'Amico, Louis Vallario, Peter Gotti
1994–1996 – committee Nicholas Corozzo, John D'Amico, Louis Vallario, Peter Gotti
1996–1999 – committee John D'Amico, Louis Vallario, Peter Gotti
Administration[edit|edit source]
Boss Domenico Cefalu[50] – A Sicilian-born mobster who started out as a heroin trafficker in the Family's Sicilian "Zip" faction. He was inducted into the organization in 1990 by John Gotti and joined the Pasquale Conte crew, a group that included relatives of Cefalu and held strong ties to Sicily. After being identified as acting underboss in the mid-2000s, Cefalu was eventually confirmed as the new boss of the family in 2011.
Underboss Frank Cali - Like Cefalu, Cali has strong ties to Sicily, in particular those close to his relative, John Gambino. Though he maintains association with the Sicilian faction, Cali was born and raised in New York City and eventually rose in stature within the regime of Jackie D'Amico. Cali was later identified as acting captain of this crew, though in 2012 he has been identified as Cefalu's new underboss.[63]
Consigliere Joseph "Jo Jo" Corozzo – a former capo, Joseph and his brother Nicholas "Little Nick" Corozzo control the Queens-based "Corozzo faction". In 1992, Joseph became consigliere after Gotti's imprisonment. On February 8, 2008, Joseph and Nicholas were indicted during Operation Old Bridge. In June 2008, Joseph pleaded guilty to a racketeering conspiracy charge concerning the extortion of a Staten Island concrete firm and was sentenced to 46 months in prison. In 2011, Corozzo was indicted on new federal racketeering charges. He currently has no release date
Posted By: HairyKnuckles
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/24/13 07:20 AM
Good post, but you shouldn´t rely on Wiki too much when it comes to info on the Mafia. Some corrections;
- Most of the remnants of the Brooklyn Camorra ended up with Masseria, not D´Aquila. In fact, D´Aquila lead a strictly Sicilian Mafia organisation. The only non-sicilian who was a member during D´Aquila´s/Mineo´s/Scalise´s reign seems to be Albert Anastasia.
- Carlo Gambino was the consigliere of this Family before being named acting boss by the Commission in 1957. It wasn´t until 1960 Gambino was formally named official boss.
- Paul Castellano served as acting boss a couple of years starting in 1967.
- Street boss is not a formal position within a Family, but somebody who steps up running the Family when the official boss is not available. A street boss/Acting boss can be a captain, consigliere or underboss.
- The underboss position under Anastasia was held by Nino Conte, Frank Scalise and Salvatore "Toto" Chirico. Possibly some of these guys funtioned only temporarily, or acted, in this position.
- Philip Mangano was a captain, he never served as consigliere.
- Biondo was the official consigliere from 1931 until he was demoted in the 1950s, either by Anastasia directly or after a request by the majority of the captains.
- Gravano served as acting consigliere until bumped up to underboss in 1990.
- Armone listed as an official consigliere 1990-1992 is wrong. Gallo was still the official consigliere during this time, and Joe Arcuri seems to have served as the acting consigliere after the indictment of Locascio.
Welcome to the forum.
Posted By: carmela
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/07/13 10:06 PM
But is Gerlandino Messina still considered the official representative of the province in the commission even though he is in prison or is he considered demoted?
Following the trial going on down there now, from the Nuova Cupola blitz from last June, Leo Sutera is capo provincia and Fabrizio Messina (brother of Gerlandino) is boss of Porto Empedocle. Both being sentenced but that's where it stand as of now.
Posted By: LaLouisiane
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/16/13 10:17 PM
This is my first post guys so sorry for the inconvenience, but where do i find info on New Orleans?
Posted By: DaneDane
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/17/13 01:19 AM
This is my first post guys so sorry for the inconvenience, but where do i find info on New Orleans?
Hi, fellow Louisianian here
I'm pretty new at this too, but I think the easiest way would be to just use the search function at the top. That should lead you to the threads that may interest you.
Posted By: bobbytran
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/17/13 01:24 AM
Fellow southerner myself, Florida and Georgia, never been to LA though.
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/17/13 01:28 AM
This is my first post guys so sorry for the inconvenience, but where do i find info on New Orleans?
If you meant where do i find a New Orleans chart, there is none because there is not an active family there anymore.
Posted By: LaLouisiane
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/19/13 03:04 PM
I was in NOLA a few weeks ago and asked around. I was told there is a few older guys still alive, but as well as for organization there is nothing to be found. People can make assumptions or claims about it being powerful, but word on the street from the bartenders, strippers, and door guys is that the street gangs pose more of a threat from robbing you than does any gambling, extortion, or shakedowns from the NOLA LCN which is virtually non existant. (What i mean by that is there is no bars on Boubron owned by them, or any large significant betting rings worth worrying about.) Sad turn of events, Louisiana with all of its corruption would be prime for the taking by any intelligent wiseguys.
Posted By: DaneDane
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/20/13 02:08 PM
Yeah, I once read that in Louisiana, corruption wasn't tolerated. It was demanded.
Posted By: Caemine718
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/20/13 04:20 PM
Lousiana Fast
Posted By: DaneDane
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/20/13 05:36 PM
Our former and still very popular governor Edwin Edwards, who served four terms, was released from federal prison in 2011 after serving 10 years for 17 counts including racketeering, money laundering, etc... And at 86 years old, just had a baby with his new wife. Were it possible for him to run again, he'd be re-elected in a heartbeat.
Posted By: LaLouisiane
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/20/13 06:07 PM
This I agree with. When the bust happened with him trying to fix the riverboat gambling liscenses, I heard the Nola Family was behind it, not sure how true it was. Still a great man!
Posted By: DaneDane
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 09/02/13 05:28 PM
This I agree with. When the bust happened with him trying to fix the riverboat gambling liscenses, I heard the Nola Family was behind it, not sure how true it was. Still a great man!
Good ol' Eddie is supposed to have a reality show on A&E premiering "this summer," but as of Aug. 1 the airing was delayed for unknown reasons.
Even Carlos Marcello respected him, he was caught via wiretap talking about all the politicians he had "in his pocket." About Edwards he said, "Edmund and me alright, but I can't see him everyday. He's the strongest sonofabitchin' governor we ever had. He fuck with women and play dice, but won't drink. How do you like dat?"
Posted By: TopTone
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/04/13 02:32 AM
Is this a Renaissance for the New York Mafia?
Mancuso, Bonanno boss in
waiting?
Is DiFiore just keeping the seat warm
for Mancuso?
I thought I'd take a look at this, since some readers seem to be commenting an awful lot on a recent post about the Gambino family having 750 made members and associates.
We all know the FBI has only two squads -- roughly 25 agents -- left to keep an eye on, never mind investigate, New York's five Mafia families. So now would seem the perfect time for them to start growing, start doing some real business -- I am talking executions and murders, too -- err, I mean acquisitions and mergers...
"The mob agents are the bastard stepchildren of the FBI these days," an FBI source recently revealed. "Everything is terrorism now. If you want to be somebody with a future in the FBI you want to be assigned to terrorism."
"If you want a couple grand to get an informant on a mob case you're going to be waiting a month," said another FBI source. "If you need that same money for a terrorism case you're going to get it the next day."
One squad handles the Lucchese and Gambino families, while another handles the rest, sources have revealed. This right here says the Gambinos and Lucheses must be the largest...
Don Vito, Montreal boss
It goes without saying that for many years the FBI once had a squad for each of the families -- which is how they so effectively managed to dismantle organized crime in recent years, reaching a crescendo, perhaps, with the infamous Mafia Takedown Day (soon to become a national holiday??)
Anyway this is the best "data" I could found on the size of the mob in New York:
700 made mafia members
More than 7,000 associates
Now, tell me: does 750 seem too large for the Gambinos? (Again, it is a combo of made men and associates.) It still leaved over 6,000 for the other four families...
And why do you think some Feds are "worried that the lack of attention could lead to a Wiseguy resurgence?" as Jerry Capeci recently reported, and who furnished the above data?
I'd say the Feds have damn good reason to worry... and the mob, to fucking celebrate!!!
Posted By: Revis_Knicks
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/08/13 06:25 PM
Idk. It doesn't seem like the mob is ever going to be what it used to be
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/13 10:09 AM
Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/13 12:01 PM
nice charts. cant wait to see the rest when you post them.
Posted By: Money
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/13 03:06 PM
good job Mukremin!!
Posted By: stealth44
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/18/13 02:16 AM
Interesting.
Posted By: MobMan
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/21/13 07:34 PM
Where's T.G ?
Posted By: JoeP
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/22/13 12:44 PM
He is listed under soldier/shelved
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/23/13 06:56 PM
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/24/13 05:20 PM
Some pictures on 1985 chart are not complete or placed wrong, so goes for the turncoat charts. Will fix them, any feedback is appreciated.
Heres a map i made/edited, nothing much but still interesting to see:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mukremin/AmericanCosaNostraFamilyMap.jpg
Posted By: Soviero
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/25/13 02:43 AM
These are some great charts, Mukremin.
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/25/13 08:40 AM
Great charts Muk, thanks again. Do you know when Cirillo became a capo since he's not on the 85 chart?
Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/25/13 01:30 PM
when is the philly chart coming out?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/25/13 03:35 PM
Great charts Muk, thanks again. Do you know when Cirillo became a capo since he's not on the 85 chart?
He did take control of the Greenwich Village crew, until the beginning of 81 Gigante headed that crew. During that time he was very close to Gigante, i havent got a source of him being a capo back then. He was listed a capo last indicment.
Perhaps someone has info
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/25/13 03:37 PM
when is the philly chart coming out?
Working on it now along with Chicago. I will have to abandon the other charts since its not worth the time because no real family exists outside New York and Chicago.
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/25/13 07:50 PM
Great charts Muk, thanks again. Do you know when Cirillo became a capo since he's not on the 85 chart?
He did take control of the Greenwich Village crew, until the beginning of 81 Gigante headed that crew. During that time he was very close to Gigante, i havent got a source of him being a capo back then. He was listed a capo last indicment.
Perhaps someone has info
You're right Mangano was probably the Greenwich Village capo in 85, for some reason i thought he was part of the 116th street crew.
Posted By: cheech
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/29/13 02:02 PM
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/29/13 02:29 PM
I'd like to know that too, i've never seen that pic of Gambino before.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/29/13 05:58 PM
I'd like to know that too, i've never seen that pic of Gambino before.
Thats from the Life Magazine of september 1967 i bought from eBay.
Posted By: Camarel
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/29/13 06:28 PM
I'd like to know that too, i've never seen that pic of Gambino before.
Thats from the Life Magazine of september 1967 i bought from eBay.
I read about that somewhere that a FBI agent (can't remember his name) was feeding info to a Life journalist on the mob and he proceeded to heavily exaggerate their power or something to that effect.
Posted By: cheech
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/29/13 06:41 PM
thanks just bought it
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/29/13 08:44 PM
I'd like to know that too, i've never seen that pic of Gambino before.
Thats from the Life Magazine of september 1967 i bought from eBay.
I read about that somewhere that a FBI agent (can't remember his name) was feeding info to a Life journalist on the mob and he proceeded to heavily exaggerate their power or something to that effect.
That could be possible because in those days they didnt exactly know the strength of the mafia. But on the other hand lets not forget those times were the mobs Golden Era, not the 70s or 80s like some claim. The 50s and 60s were the golden age of the mafia.
No problem Cheech
enjoy it
Posted By: Snakes
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/30/13 12:07 AM
Muk, under the informants chart for Chicago, you have a picture of Butch Petrocelli as Nick Calabrese. I have seen a lot of websites mislabel Nick as Butch, probably because of the dearth of good pics of Nick.
Here are two actual photos/images of Nick:
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/30/13 12:24 PM
Muk, under the informants chart for Chicago, you have a picture of Butch Petrocelli as Nick Calabrese. I have seen a lot of websites mislabel Nick as Butch, probably because of the dearth of good pics of Nick.
Here are two actual photos/images of Nick:
thanks buddy, havent noticed that. Will look into it and fix it.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/03/13 01:25 AM
Does anyone have a chart of the Genovese and Gambino families late 1970's till 1981?
Posted By: Dougsmith56
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/03/13 08:07 PM
Is there any way you could get a charts from the 1960s-70s?
Posted By: Dougsmith56
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/07/13 03:34 PM
Can we get full charts from 1885 with all the Soliders....
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/07/13 09:12 PM
sorry doug, i dont made those charts. Perhaps you can find some on internet provided by the government.
Posted By: NeimanMarxist
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/08/13 08:12 PM
Mukremin, thank you for making these charts. Can you tell me what program it is you use to make them and if it's freeware or not?
Posted By: furio_from_naples
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/10/13 11:56 AM
Sorry Mukremin,can you give me the links of all the families chart?
and thanks for doing this chart.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/10/13 12:37 PM
check the first page fellas
Posted By: furio_from_naples
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/10/13 05:17 PM
Sorry Muk but the other family chart give me invalid file.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/11/13 08:26 AM
which family charts? i have to update my other charts, i havent uploaded them yet. Like the Kansas, Detroit, Philly etc.
Posted By: furio_from_naples
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/11/13 09:01 AM
the five families and the turncoats charts are ok,the other families as Decavalcante,kansas city, etc i click on the links and says invalid file
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/14/13 10:02 AM
i have removed them, will need to update them.
Posted By: furio_from_naples
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/14/13 05:35 PM
ok I wait the links.
Posted By: stern49
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/17/13 11:00 AM
Hmmmm. The guy who helped Muk with half of the pictures doesn't even have his name as a contributor to his charts. How ironic.
Posted By: overcoat
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/13 04:08 AM
Those new charts of made members was cool. What do these new mobsters now a days usually do for aliving. I knew they still have there rackets but it's got to be tough for these guys to make big money now a days. Most of these guys have legitimate jobs or buisness with there rackets on the side? Just curious to know?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/13 09:53 AM
Stern, if you look in the older posts you can see i gave plenty of credit for the guys who have helped me out. Do you want me to make a seperate chart with all the names, like in a movie?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/13 09:54 AM
Those new charts of made members was cool. What do these new mobsters now a days usually do for aliving. I knew they still have there rackets but it's got to be tough for these guys to make big money now a days. Most of these guys have legitimate jobs or buisness with there rackets on the side? Just curious to know?
its true they dont have the wealth they used to have, the top guys still own big houses and various legal and illegal incomes. there is a lot of going on, gambling, narcotics, loansharking, infiltration etc.
Posted By: NightOwl
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/13 10:11 AM
Stern, if you look in the older posts you can see i gave plenty of credit for the guys who have helped me out. Do you want me to make a seperate chart with all the names, like in a movie?
Hahahahahaha He wants his virtual envelope
Posted By: TonyG
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/18/13 08:23 PM
Here is a St Louis chart as published in the St Louis Globe Democrat in January of 1968.
Description: St Louis Chart - 1968 Globe Democrat
Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/22/13 02:05 PM
Hey Muk, do you have a time frame on how long til your new philly chart comes out?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/22/13 02:55 PM
not sure Stevie, its a mess in Philly
its best to wait the outcome of the Ligambi case.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/13 04:14 AM
Who was the consigliere of the Genovese CF before Louis Manna?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/24/13 09:23 PM
Fat Dom Alongi was the consiglieri before Manna.
Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/25/13 11:42 AM
Yea your right about that. sounds good to me thanks
Posted By: JoeTheBoss
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/27/13 12:26 AM
let us know when you get the other cities up mukremin. looking forward to them
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/30/13 05:09 PM
Posted By: JoeTheBoss
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/30/13 09:32 PM
awesome thanks for the charts. I hope you reconsider though about focusing only on the five families. It's hard enough as it is to find info on mobsters outside NYC. \m/
Posted By: Vinnie_Trafficante
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/13 03:53 AM
This is the full chart of the Trafficante Mafia Family of Tampa, FL. The chart was made by Scott M. Deitche on his site.
Trafficante LCN Family Membership
Albano, Frank Peter
* underboss
* made in 1978
* born around 1939 in New York City
* reported to be still alive
Amorelli, Antonio Mario
* soldier
* made in 2008
* cousin of Vincent LoScalzo
* born around 1948 in Alessandria Della Rocca, Sicily
* reported to be still alive
Antinori, Ignazio
* first LCN boss of Tampa
* born on February 17, 1885 in Palermo, Sicily
* murdered on October 23, 1940
Antinori, Joseph
* soldier
* son of Ignazio Antinori
* born on February 2, 1909 in Tampa
* murdered on November 4, 1953
Bedami, Angelo Sr.
* capo
* born on December 23, 1893 in Alessandria Della Rocca, Sicily
* passed away on November 30, 1980 in Tampa
Bedami, Ciro
* soldier
* son of Angelo Bedami Sr.
* born around 1925 in Tampa
* passed away on September 20, 2009 in Tampa
Bedami, Joseph Sr.
* soldier
* son of Angelo Bedami Sr.
* born around 1923 in Tampa
* disappeared in August of 1968
Bruno, James Guida "Jimmy"
* soldier
* owner of Jimmy's Lounge
* born on October 26, 1914 in Tampa
* passed away on March 31, 1988 in Tampa
Cacciatore, Sam
* soldier
* born around 1917 in Tampa
* passed away on June 12, 1981 in Tampa
Cacciatore, Terry
* soldier
* nephew of Sam Cacciatore
* made in 2008
* born around 1945 in Tampa
* reported to be still alive
Camero, Joseph Randall "Randy"
* soldier
* made in 1994
* owner of Camero Enterprises
* born on November 2, 1953 in Tampa
* passed away on November 21, 2008 in Tampa
Carollo, Salvatore "Big Sam"
* soldier
* made in 1987
* born on October 7, 1937 in Tampa
* reported to be still alive
Diecidue, Alphonse "Al"
* capo
* born around 1872 in Cianciana, Sicily
* passed away on April 24, 1947 in Tampa
Diecidue, Antonio "Tony"
* soldier
* son of Alphonse Diecidue
* owner of Diecidue Produce Co.
* born on May 12, 1896 in Cianciana, Sicily
* passed away on February 23, 1993 in Tampa
Diecidue, Frank "Daddy Frank"
* underboss
* son of Alphonse Diecidue
* owner of Dixie Amusement Co.
* born on February 20, 1915 in Tampa
* passed away on October 18, 1994 in Tampa
Diecidue, Gaetano "Tom"
* soldier
* son of Alphonse Diecidue
* born around 1903 in Cianciana, Sicily
* passed away on December 18, 1994 in Tampa
DiGerlando, Joseph "Joe D"
* soldier
* made in 1984
* owner of DiGerlando Enterprises
* reported to be still alive
Furci, Dominick "Nick"
* soldier
* owner of Tip-Top Motor Co.
* born on March 8, 1911 in Tampa
* passed away in 1987
Ippolito, Frank "Cowboy"
* soldier
* made in 1988
* owner of the La Tropicana Restaurant
* born on April 16, 1921 in Tampa
* passed away on April 17, 2008 in Tampa
Italiano, Salvatore "Red"
* acting boss
* fled to Mexico in 1950
* born around 1898 in Napoli, Italy
* passed away in 1968
Lazzara, Augustine "Primo"
* capo
* owner of the Yellow House Bar
* born on September 10, 1906 in Tampa
* passed away on April 8, 1968 in Tampa
Lazzara, Joseph
* soldier
* brother of Augustine Lazzara
* owner of Castaways Lounge and Eden Rock Liquor Store
* born around 1921 in Tampa
* passed away on December 1, 1999 in Tampa
Longo, James Costa "Jimmy"
* soldier
* born around 1910 in Wilkes-Barre, PA
* passed away on June 15, 1992 in Tampa
Lorenzo, Salvatore "Silent Sam"
* soldier
* born on May 19, 1927 in Tampa
* passed away in 1995
LoScalzo, Angelo "The Hammer"
* soldier
* born around 1908 in Alessandria Della Rocca, Sicily
* passed away in 1977
LoScalzo, Vincent
* the last boss of Tampa
* son of Angelo LoScalzo
* co-owner of Mike's Lounge and Lo-Val, Inc.
* owner of Brother's Lounge and Mahalo Auto Sales
* born on May 6, 1937 in Alessandria Della Rocca, Sicily
* reported to be still alive
Lumia, James "Head of the Elks"
* acting boss
* owner of Bay Oil Co.
* born on September 10, 1903 in Tampa
* murdered on June 5, 1950
Mamone, John "Big John"
* soldier
* made in 1996
* formerly associated with the Genovese Mafia Family
* owner of Gateway Trucking Co.
* became an informant in 2001
Mistretta, Gaetano
* soldier
* born around 1893 in Palermo, Sicily
* passed away in 1975
Napoli, Mike
* soldier
* made in 1997
* born on January 22, 1951 in Tampa
* reported to be still alive
Perla, Arthur "Art"
* soldier
* born around 1908 in Tampa
* passed away in 1998
Piazza, Phillip "Phil"
* capo
* brother-in-law of Salvatore Italiano
* owner of the Red Top Bar
* born on January 21, 1903 in Cianciana, Sicily
* passed away on January 21, 1977 in Tampa
Raffa, Steve Bruno "Uncle Steve"
* capo
* owner of Akel Market
* born on October 2, 1941 in Tampa
* killed himself on November 16, 2000
Scaglione, Alfonso "Al"
* soldier
* born around 1917 in Tampa
* passed away on February 5, 1996 in Tampa
Scaglione, Nick
* soldier
* brother of Alfonso Scaglione
* owner of University Restaurant
* born around 1931 in Tampa
* passed away in 2002
Scaglione, Salvatore "Sal"
* underboss
* owner of Italian Castle Restaurant
* born on November 12, 1894 in Alessandria Della Rocca, Sicily
* passed away on August 9, 1964 in Tampa
Scaglione, Stefano "Steve"
* soldier
* son of Salvatore Scaglione
* born on May 29, 1918 in Alessandria Della Rocca, Sicily
* passed away on December 7, 1995 in Tampa
Trafficante, Enrico "Henry"
* capo
* owner of the Dream Bar
* born on November 23, 1924 in Tampa
* passed away in 2002
Trafficante, Santo Jr. "Sam Balto"
* boss from 1954 until 1987
* brother of Enrico Trafficante
* co-owner of Riviera Hotel & Casino
* owner of Kit Kat Bar, Tahitian Inn, Tropicana Hotel and Sans Souci Casino
* born on November 14, 1914 in Tampa
* passed away on March 17, 1987 in Tampa
Trafficante, Santo Sr. "Don Santo"
* boss from 1940 until 1954
* brother-in-law of Sam Cacciatore
* father of Enrico Trafficante
* co-owner of Sevilla Biltmore Hotel
* owner of Trafficante Cigar Co., Capri Hotel & Casino, Commodoro Hotel and Tropicana Hotel
* born on May 28, 1886 in Alessandria Della Rocca, Sicily
* passed away on August 10, 1954 in Tampa
Trafficante, Vinnie aka Duke Smart or Vinnie The Ginnie
* soldier
* son of Santos Trafficante Jr
* born on November 19, 1973 in Tampa
* believed to still be alive
Trafficante, Salvatore "Sal"
* soldier
* brother of Enrico Trafficante
* father-in-law of Frank Albano
* born on November 14, 1916 in Tampa
* passed away in 2002
Trafficante, Santo Jose "Santico"
* soldier
* nephew of Enrico Trafficante
* born around 1937 in Tampa
* passed away on July 10, 2010 in Tampa
Vaglica, Giuseppe "Joe"
* soldier
* born around 1893 in Cianciana, Sicily
* murdered on July 11, 1937
Valenti, James
* capo
* made in 1990
* co-owner of Lo-Val, Inc.
* born around 1948
* reported to be still alive
The End
Posted By: Vinnie_Trafficante
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/13 03:54 AM
This is my Family
Posted By: Vinnie_Trafficante
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/13 04:11 AM
I wish people would check, then recheck their information before they post. Just saying wouldn't you rather be accurate than look like a dick?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/13 05:03 PM
I wish people would check, then recheck their information before they post. Just saying wouldn't you rather be accurate than look like a dick?
most of us dont know what your talking about? have you checked the other topics?
Posted By: LaLouisiane
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/05/13 10:22 PM
No Vinnie, it is not yours, it's mine.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/11/13 02:42 AM
[quote=Mukremin]Fat Dom Alongi was the consiglieri before Manna. [/quote
And before him? Maybe the charts aren't as accurate as they seem. Remember Genovese were a tricky bunch. Who you thought was wasn't and vice versa.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/11/13 08:35 PM
well thats not our job, we can only assume and act with official reports and indicments. we will never be sure unless they get indicted or one of them turns a rat. we never claim these things to be accurate.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/13 01:26 AM
well thats not our job, we can only assume and act with official reports and indicments. we will never be sure unless they get indicted or one of them turns a rat. we never claim these things to be accurate.
The assumptions that are made are incorrect . Even a few dead made men are not on the charts. But I guess this is all for fun.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/13 08:46 PM
well thats not our job, we can only assume and act with official reports and indicments. we will never be sure unless they get indicted or one of them turns a rat. we never claim these things to be accurate.
The assumptions that are made are incorrect . Even a few dead made men are not on the charts. But I guess this is all for fun.
i dont see your point, what assumptions and what dead members? i dont post dead members on my chart, i delete them from the chart.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/13 03:08 PM
Where do you get your information from? I know that there are charts put out by the FBI, is this what you are using or are you researching every family in la cosa nostra? Which would take a very long time. I just stated what you did in the beginning about we can only assume, I said assumptions can be wrong, I know this for a fact. I do however appreciate all the work you have put into keeping people updated to the Mafia, but do you really think that these charts are completely accurate, and shouldn't deceased members be on the charts, if they were important lets say under bosses etc. If in fact all the charts are correct the whole LCN would be disabled, or at least under indictment.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/13 04:46 PM
I said that the information comes from indicments and reports, there are tons of articles to be found on various forums.
I have been doing this since 2010 with the help of many people, its not that i do it all by myself. I am not a professional crime reporter or so, i just designed my own concept for a chart. I try to gather the information the best i can, and i craft it into these files. Its my decision not to include deceased members, because it would be a impossible job to keep track of it.
I and other people never claim these things to be 100% accurate, we try to be correct but thats a different thing.
I dont want to bragg about the stuff i do, but my Philadelphia chart from 2011 was described as very accurate by George Anastasia himself. And that the feds probably had some chart like that too.
Anyway, i dont want to get into any discussion. Feel free to PM if needed.
Posted By: Torrie1
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/13/13 06:50 PM
Will do thanks
Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/22/13 04:57 PM
George A really said your philly chart was very accurate? Thats bad ass.. Every chart I have seen from you has been great in my opinion and I appreciate you taking the time to make the charts and keep us all updated!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/23/13 07:08 PM
yeah i had some e-mail exchange with him last year. thanks for the support stevie.
Posted By: JimmyBurke
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/14/14 08:55 AM
Great charts Mukremin.
I did a search for the Los Angeles family here on the site but found no chart.
I know that Peter Milano has died and that his underboss at the time was Tommaso Gambino.
Does anyone have enough knowledge of them to make a chart?
Posted By: Dellacroce
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/15/14 10:43 PM
nothing left to really make a chart of, Peter Milano died as you said and it was really internet rumors that had gambino as underboss. theres less then 10 made guys still living and half of them don't even live in the state.
Posted By: Snakes
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/24/14 03:25 AM
This is a visual chart that I made based on the chart made a couple of years ago by the Don and Horsey on Fosco's site, so credit to them for the names and info.
Posted By: mickey2
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/29/14 05:25 PM
all the charts of the outfit always miss the calabreses
Posted By: USICILIANU
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 04/10/14 10:58 PM
Looking at this picture of Angelo LaPietra I can see why they used to call him "the hook"
Posted By: MikeyO
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 04/11/14 12:08 AM
Looking at this picture of Angelo
LaPietra I can see why they used to call him "the hook"
He just looks like another asshole to me
Posted By: Stripes
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/28/14 06:58 PM
Did anyone ever here of Danny Miano?
Posted By: alexandarns
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/28/14 07:01 PM
was danny marino from brooklyn?
Posted By: HandsomeStevie
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/29/14 12:11 AM
Would like to see a new Philly chart soon. Since Uncle Joe gettin out and supposedly retiring. Still think Mazzone is acting boss.. Could be the next official boss..
Posted By: mickey2
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/29/14 09:02 AM
mukremin has not done any chicago chart?
Posted By: Snakes
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/29/14 09:34 AM
Even considering its inaccuracies, not much has changed from Burnstein's chart from a couple years ago and is probably about as accurate as anyone on the web can come up with us - there will always be disputes about Chicago. Just take out a couple of old/dead guys and bump up a couple of other guys.
Posted By: Fuhgeddaboutit
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/30/14 07:03 PM
I agree with HandsomeStevie. You should totally post a Philadelphia chart.
Posted By: mickey2
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/06/14 06:29 PM
snakes that chart is totally outdated, half of those guys are already dead
Posted By: mickey2
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/06/14 06:31 PM
accurate for the 80's, lol!
Posted By: SgWaue86
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/06/14 11:37 PM
This is a visual chart that I made based on the chart made a couple of years ago by the Don and Horsey on Fosco's site, so credit to them for the names and info.
This is fucking awesome, thanks for taking the time. It makes it so much more interesting to be able to place name and faces, along with time frames and positions. Thanks again.
Posted By: Snakes
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/07/14 12:00 AM
Thanks.
I'm working on improved versions of this one as well as two others that should be some of the most comprehensive charts created for the Outfit so far.
Posted By: Snakes
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/13/14 08:04 PM
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Posted By: Snakes
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 06/21/14 06:05 PM
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Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/01/14 05:40 PM
Who is acting/street/boss boss, Consigliere and Underboss in the 5 families?
Posted By: IvyLeague
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/07/14 03:41 PM
Who is acting/street/boss boss, Consigliere and Underboss in the 5 families?
This is the latest info reported by law enforcement and/or media outlets. (Ages are a few years older than listed)
Gambino FamilyBoss: Domenico "Italian Dom" Cefalu/65
UnderBoss: Frank "Frankie Boy" Cali/47
Consigliere: Bartolomeo "Bobby/Pepe" Vernace/63 (IP)
Street Panel: Anthony Gurino/70, Giovanni "John" Gambino/75, Joseph "Sonny" Juliano/75
Lucchese FamilyBoss: Steven "Stevie Wonder/Herbie" Crea/65
UnderBoss:
Consigliere: Joseph "Joe C" Caridi/64
Colombo FamilyBoss: Carmine "Junior/The Snake" Persico/79 (IP/L)
UnderBoss: Benjamin "The Little Guy/Claw" Castellazzo/75 (IP)
Acting UnderBoss: Dominic "Donny Shacks" Montemarano/74
Consigliere:
Bonanno FamilyBoss: Michael "Mikey Nose" Mancuso/59 (IP/3/12/2019)
Acting Boss/Underboss: Thomas "Tommy D" DiFiore/70
Consigliere:
Vincent Asaro and Thomas DiFiore named as "administration members and captains" in January 2014 indictment. Asaro's 2014 detention memo clarified that he was a captain and part of the ruling panel.
Genovese FamilyBack in 2009, the family was reported to be run by a "rotating panel" of "recently released" senior members including Venero "Benny Eggs" Mangano, Ernest Muscarella, Liborio "Barney" Bellomo, and Lawrence "Little Larry" Dentico.
In 2011, it was reported that Tino Fiumara was on a three man panel running the family at the time of his death. The other two guys weren't mentioned.
Earlier this year it was reported that the family is still believed to be run by a ruling panel though who is on it at this time has been made known.
Posted By: VincePentangali
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/20/14 03:46 AM
[quote=Moe_Tilden]
Genovese Family
Back in 2009, the family was reported to be run by a "rotating panel" of "recently released" senior members including Venero "Benny Eggs" Mangano, Ernest Muscarella, Liborio "Barney" Bellomo, and Lawrence "Little Larry" Dentico.
In 2011, it was reported that Tino Fiumara was on a three man panel running the family at the time of his death. The other two guys weren't mentioned.
Earlier this year it was reported that the family is still believed to be run by a ruling panel though who is on it at this time has been made known.
u mean "who is on it at this time hasn't been made known." ??
Posted By: PetroPirelli
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/21/14 10:15 PM
[quote=Moe_Tilden]
Genovese Family
Back in 2009, the family was reported to be run by a "rotating panel" of "recently released" senior members including Venero "Benny Eggs" Mangano, Ernest Muscarella, Liborio "Barney" Bellomo, and Lawrence "Little Larry" Dentico.
In 2011, it was reported that Tino Fiumara was on a three man panel running the family at the time of his death. The other two guys weren't mentioned.
Earlier this year it was reported that the family is still believed to be run by a ruling panel though who is on it at this time has been made known.
u mean "who is on it at this time hasn't been made known." ??
DUH!
Posted By: Giuseppe_Gallo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/24/14 10:04 PM
I will have to check out this thread often. There are not many Wiseguys around where I live. I have to depend on films, television, books, video games, and the internet to educate me. Because I rarely see them, it makes me curious to learn more about them and their culture. I find it fascinating. You don't see too many rich thugs.
Posted By: K1NG6
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/27/14 01:09 AM
I posted this in another thread about Philly a few weeks back, but wanted to add it here so it remained in the main thread with all of the other previous charts.
Here is the link to view the full size version:
http://k1ng6.net46.net/philly2014chart.jpg
Posted By: BloodlettersandBadmen
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/14 07:42 AM
Salvatore Maranzano (July 31, 1886 – September 10, 1931) was an organized crime figure from the town of Castellammare del Golfo, Sicily. He is accused of instigating the Castellammarese War to seize control of the American Mafia operations, and briefly became the Mafia's "Boss of Bosses". He was assassinated by a younger faction led by Charles "Lucky" Luciano, who established a power-sharing arrangement rather than a "boss of bosses" in the hopes of preventing future wars.
http://youtu.be/WACvACqlGtk?list=PLQhDH_WZbs1N0jqZ9y9naMtgUfZ3VoVbo
Posted By: bronx
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/14 10:09 PM
i don't see george anastasia on the chart?
Posted By: pizzaboy
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/14 10:37 PM
i don't see george anastasia on the chart?
Posted By: Mark
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/26/14 10:42 PM
Nice work, K. That's a lot of work. Good looking chart.
Posted By: don illuminati
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/28/14 05:43 PM
i don't see george anastasia on the chart?
lolz
Posted By: Johnny_Dio
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/14 07:56 AM
don't know if anybody noticed but you put Chrissy Ticks Fumari as the consigliere in both the Lucchese and Bonanno families
Posted By: BloodlettersandBadmen
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/14 07:52 AM
Posted By: PetroPirelli
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/24/14 02:37 AM
i don't see george anastasia on the chart?
You don't see him? He's in the bottom right corner there.
Posted By: nash143
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/22/15 04:59 AM
Detroit Ruling Council chart -1963? Im assuming from the McClellan hearings as it has the same graphic aesthetic.
Posted By: Extortion
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/10/15 11:31 PM
Philly family is so small and incompetent. I can't see how anyone would want to be made into that family.
Posted By: Stripes
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/28/15 08:19 PM
Who? Beat you
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/15 08:43 AM
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/15 03:31 PM
working on Lucchese right now
Posted By: Moe_Tilden
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/15 04:26 PM
Ha is there really a Genovese soldier called Steve Buscemi??
Yes. He whacked someone for calling him Mr. Pink.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/09/15 04:56 PM
Chicago Outfit chart is in progress. Release expected this week.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/15 04:02 PM
Posted By: SC
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/10/15 04:27 PM
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Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/11/15 02:57 PM
Posted By: SC
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/11/15 04:17 PM
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Posted By: SonnyBlackstein
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/11/15 04:56 PM
Great stuff mukremin
Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/29/15 05:32 PM
The average age of the men on the Chicago chart is around 70 years old, they really need some rejuvenation are they will go the way of San Francisco or LA..
Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/19/16 05:02 PM
These were better days for the boys of The Outfit..
https://i.imgur.com/eok9Cz1.jpg
Posted By: gencoliveoil
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/06/16 09:35 AM
Can someone please come up with an accurate Philly Mob Chart 2016
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/08/16 02:55 PM
Posted By: SC
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/08/16 04:02 PM
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Posted By: JoeTheBoss
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/09/16 03:17 PM
I downloaded the charts but when i zoom in it gets pixelated/blurry & its hard to read any of the names. can you link to the large/largest sized versions? Thanks Mukremin!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/09/16 05:44 PM
I downloaded the charts but when i zoom in it gets pixelated/blurry & its hard to read any of the names. can you link to the large/largest sized versions? Thanks Mukremin!
seems that Photobucket cuts the quality down, i upload the original ones. Maybe i need to find alternative hosting site.
Posted By: BillyBrizzi
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/09/16 06:14 PM
Great stuff Murkemin, thanks a lot..
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/09/16 07:59 PM
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/11/16 05:38 PM
up to date Detroit chart, notice that i only managed to update the top tier. Listed soldiers may be incorrect, not complete or faulty. Some may be dead, or inactive or no members at all. Please bear that in mind
Posted By: JoeTheBoss
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/16 01:12 AM
Chicago Chart next?
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/16 11:47 AM
here you have the WIP Chicago chart, needs some update here and there:
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/16 12:30 PM
and here is an updated version of my 2013 chart for the DeCavalcantes, hard family to figure out so be aware this is also no final nor accurate product. Based on the few indicments in the past 10 years and the cases last year
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/12/16 01:25 PM
another one for the New England lovers:
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 09/24/17 10:46 AM
i have a website where you can find the latest updated charts
cosanostracharts.wordpress.com
Posted By: thebigfella
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/27/17 11:54 PM
Can someone post an up to date membership chart for philly
Posted By: gencoliveoil
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/10/18 07:29 AM
Hey I couldn't see the Philly chart. Do you have a new one n if you do could you please post it
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/16/18 03:44 PM
Hey I couldn't see the Philly chart. Do you have a new one n if you do could you please post it
check the latest charts on my website:
https://cosanostracharts.wordpress.com/Philly:
https://cosanostracharts.wordpress.com/#jp-carousel-83
Posted By: MeyerLansky
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/20/18 10:00 PM
Any update on the gambino administration ?
Since john died who is the underboss ?
I heard that mannino is no 3 but who is no 2
And Cali is on the top spot right ?
Because the last news about him was when the demoted rumour has spread across ny
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/17/18 10:18 AM
Any update on the gambino administration ?
Since john died who is the underboss ?
I heard that mannino is no 3 but who is no 2
And Cali is on the top spot right ?
Because the last news about him was when the demoted rumour has spread across ny
i have yet to start working on the new charts
Posted By: FrankValenti
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 04/05/18 12:48 AM
Here is an early 1977 Rochester, NY Crime Family chart showing how the family existed and operated during their peak, shortly before a street war bloodied the streets and led to mass convictions.
Sorry about the quality. If you click the direct link it lets you zoom in to read easier
https://i.imgur.com/4nSlist.png
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 04/16/18 07:30 AM
Here is an early 1977 Rochester, NY Crime Family chart showing how the family existed and operated during their peak, shortly before a street war bloodied the streets and led to mass convictions.
Sorry about the quality. If you click the direct link it lets you zoom in to read easier
https://i.imgur.com/4nSlist.pngthis is very nice, thank you for sharing
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/18 11:20 AM
Visit my website
https://cosanostracharts.wordpress.com/ for the latest updated family charts 2018
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/18 11:53 AM
Oh man you are back! Welcome back
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/18 11:58 AM
Oh man you are back! Welcome back
i am always browsing
never got any time to get into discussions. But was working on the new charts. Will start a brand new Instagram page also.
Posted By: Strax
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/18 02:55 PM
Oh man you are back! Welcome back
i am always browsing
never got any time to get into discussions. But was working on the new charts. Will start a brand new Instagram page also.
Post instagram page here once u create it , or on the other forum so i can follow
Anyway great work with charts, thank you for this!
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/18 04:18 PM
alright, check
https://cosanostracharts.wordpress.com/ for the latest updates. I have made some nice adjustments to make the charts look better. Be sure to check them out, and tell me what you think. There is a limit on this site to upload.
https://cosanostracharts.wordpress.com/
Posted By: MeyerLansky
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/17/18 04:30 PM
great stuff !!! glad to see you
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/18/18 06:40 AM
great stuff !!! glad to see you
thank you Meyer, appreciate the support.
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 10/18/18 12:01 PM
I have updated all charts with some extra adjustments, i also posted Philly and Chicago.
Be sure to check them out at
https://cosanostracharts.wordpress.com/
Posted By: TheDon1999
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/25/20 09:00 PM
Furio make me a chart on oldest members act or ret.
Posted By: fergie
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 05/09/20 12:35 AM
Posted By: furio_from_naples
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 07/27/20 06:07 PM
Hey Mukremin,do you have a patriarcas update chart?
Posted By: furio_from_naples
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 11/11/20 11:09 AM
Any infos on a complete DeCavalcante family chart?
Posted By: meatball
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/16/22 11:38 PM
Love the charts. Hopefully we can get a refresh soon. I’m sure it’s a ton of work.
Posted By: NYMafia
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/04/22 08:41 AM
Any infos on a complete DeCavalcante family chart?
Furio. Lisa and I just completed a very extensive DeCavalcante Family hierarchy chart a few weeks back. It's up on our website to view. Complete with a graphed hierarchical breakdown (and extensive pictorial galleries) for not only this borgata's "official" hierarchy, but of all the known soldiers, but a ton of "associates" listed as well who flew under their umbrella over the years. It's a rare look at their true structure and strength.
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 02/26/23 07:23 AM
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/23/23 12:24 AM
credit to JoePuzzles234 over @ r/Mafia
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/31/23 04:29 PM
Posted By: LuanKuci
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/31/23 04:34 PM
credit to JoePuzzles234
2022 Gambino family chart
Posted By: Millspgh
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 08/21/23 05:01 PM
Anyone have an idea how active Genovese UB Ernie Muscarelli is? He is almost 80, is he really out in the streets still holding meetings?
Mickey Ragusa seems like a shoe in for the next Boss, hes young and hes in the adminsitration, is there a better choice than him to take over after Barney?
Posted By: DiLorenzo
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/04/23 08:38 PM
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/06/23 09:50 AM
Hi all, back working on my charts. Not nice to hijack my thread but anyways. Check my page for updated Bonanno and Colombo charts.
https://cosanostracharts.wordpress.com/
Posted By: Toodoped
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/23 02:41 PM
As you can see almost everyone ignores your chart. Maybe its an accurate or completely wrong chart, but my advise to you is to remove the bullshit forum from your project. Until then...Cheers
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/23 04:47 PM
As you can see almost everyone ignores your chart. Maybe its an accurate or completely wrong chart, but my advise to you is to remove the bullshit forum from your project. Until then...Cheers
Fuck off with your bullshit. It is clear the above uses my work, nice huh copy pasting.
Posted By: Toodoped
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/07/23 08:25 PM
Hey, "welcome to Kwik-E-mart" guy stop using Scott's work as "100% truthful" info. You are known for the last 10 years as bullshit artist. Wake up lol and btw, suck deeeezz nutz
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/19/23 07:26 PM
Posted By: Mukremin
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 12/21/23 01:08 PM
Posted By: VitoCahill
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 01/12/24 09:20 PM
charts all very good. the dwindling numbers and age of the decavalcante is not a good sign.
Posted By: Captbony1999
Re: New York and other mafia family charts (UPDATED) - 03/17/24 06:55 PM
Nice... anyone tell us some info about the old timers in particular any evidence meeting then OG bosses?