How to prove italian roots

To be made...In the past your father and mother had to have italian roots, lately just the father.

1-What if just the mother has italian roots and the guy changes legally his last name being called by his mother`s last name? Can he be made?
2-The one who wants to be made has to show his father and mother`s ID due to prove his roots?

How does a guy prove his roots?

These days, in some families (Genovese, Gambino) you still have to be 100% Italian to be made.
In those weaker and smaller...on your dad's side.

You don't have to prove your roots. Your lastname is either Italian or isn't.
And most guys that get involved are from the same areas\neighborhoods.

A few guys (Jimmy Marcello and Tommy DelGiorno) managed to "pull the wool", so to speak, in that they were only half Italian. And Stanfa (for whatever reason) decided he'd "make" Veasey, who was Italian on his mothers side. I think Chucky Porter was another one. John Gotti famously broke the rule to induct his son.

But as Ivy's says, it seems that nobody who wasn't at least part Italian ever got made.

The Genovese family is known for having stricter standards, though I'm not sure how much enforcing the 100% Italian thing comes into it. As for the Gambinos, Andrew Merola isn't 100% Italian and he was made. To say nothing of Junior Gotti.

Whats Merola's ethnicity on his mother's side? Irish?

@ mickey_meatballs_demonica

Let's not forget about Anthony Senter.

I think with Senter, you may have to go back hundreds of years to find the non-Italian link, in that region Senter was from there has been over the centuries various nationalities who moved there such as Germans and Swiss. I think it would be a bit ridiculous to say he wasn't an Italian.

Yeah so you would say that Senter is italian but with bavarian-austrian descendents.

I would say (though not 100%) that in his relatives, generations ago there would be a link of that nature, yes.

senter was never made a member of the mafia

True that. He was just an associate. Italian, but not made.

Senter, along Onger, Venier and Nember are very common in North Eastern Italy.
They are an hybrid result of the Austrian and French occupations.
Some, during Fascism, where "Italianized": OngerI, VenierO\I, etc...

yeah the northern italians in these regions can have not italian like names such places like friuli-venezia giulia, trentino-alto adige/south tyrol, val d'aosta, parts sardinia, veneto and piedmont.

somebody was asking an interesting question would the mafia make a corsican in there organization corsica was part of italy at one time under genoa

but would senter have to be made because he killed demeo?

This was a really good post learned a few things. I would imagine killing DeMeo would have gotten Senter made.

No Senter was never made by the Gambino's for the DeMeo hit, not long after it he drifted into working for the Lucchese family. There's no way in the 2 years between the hit and Castellano's murder Paul would of made Senter, he had a low opinion of that crew.

Andrew Campos now calling himself Andrew Campo, a Gambino Capo is Puerto Rican, but mom is Italian!.

it's impossible campo's father is puertorican they couldn't made him

There is truth to the claims about Campo's heritage I think, though I can't remember if it was his mothers side...come on its all so watered down, most of these guys have never even been to Italy, loads of guys getting made are mixed races now, though the Genovese is still pretty strict.
On another note, apparently Campos went to school with P Diddy and played on the same football team. LOL

http://www.lacndb.com/php/Info.php?name=Andrew%20Campos

New York| Andrew Campos

Birth: 1968
Andrew Campos is a enforcer to the Gambino Family and is a made guy in the family. Because his name sounds Greek they first researched his wereabouts and found out he was of Italian descent. In 1986, as a senior at Mount St. Michael Academy, he was a quarterback for the football team. There he met then defensive back Sean Combs, aka P. Diddy. Combs is a well known rapper, owner of Bad Boy Records and one of the richest hiphop stars. Combs himself has been involved in shootings and was part of the east-west coast 'war' in the 1990's.

After there highschool days they both chose their way of living, both becomming very rich out of it. Combs went to intertainmant (now earns +/- $300 million a year) and Campos to the Mafia, where he was most involved in one of the largest consumer fraud in American history, one that cost unwary consumers $750 million from related schemes involving phone sex and internet porn. After all these years Combs and Campos stay friends. Sources claim that fellow mobsters of Campos have attainted recording sessions of Combs. In 2004 Campos was indicted in a "telephone cramming" scheme that grossed to $600.000 a day. He was sentenced to 27 months & had to pay $300.000.

Campos and P. Diddy were Class of '87 at Mount Saint Michael. Pizzaboy was class of '77 at the Mount.

http://www.lacndb.com/Info.php?name=Richard Gomes
New York| Richard Gomes

Birth: 1933

Death: December 2006

Gomes met and befriended John Gotti in the 1960s when both were small time hoods doing time at the federal prison in Lewisburg. Gomes became a made man in the Gambino Crime Family. He showed Gotti his absolute loyalty by participating in the killing of John Favara, who killed the 12-year old son of Gotti in a accident. He personally went to Gotti afterwards to say that the dirty work was finished.

Gomes died at an age of 73 of natural causes. He was found dead by two of his nieces, it is raported that when they found Gomes dead, a picture of Gotti was hanging in his appartment.

chris rosenburg was going to get made heard this in a documentary all chris had to do is change his last name to demeo and for roy demeo to claim him as a son, since roy discovered him and along the line chris earn became a heavy earner made alot of profit.

He was never going to get made. He certainly dreamed about it though, and called himself Chris DeMeo. But everyone knew he wasn't Italian. Roy himself barely got made.

Campos sounds Greek? Since when? That's as spanish as Cuchi cuchi is to Charo! Come on he grew up in the Bronx. Everyone knew his Mom was banging Capo Richie Martino! His Mom by the way is beautiful! The father was a neighborhood PR! They claimed they did the check, but then again he was making Millions for them on that Internet Scam, that even if he was Asian, they would have made him. That is why they dropped the (S) from his name! He was a great quaterback in High School and P Diddy sat on the bench!

Are you from the Bronx, Beanshooter?

Grew up there!

I'll pm you.

Jesse Jackson had a better shot at becoming a made guy .

Rosenberg was a bloodthirsty, psychopathic piece of shit anyway. He wouldn't have gotten made even if he was Italian. An innocent 19 year old kid ended up getting killed because DeMeo didn't act fast enough in taking Rosenberg out.

You reap what you sow. Rosenberg got what he deserved just for being a common, bloodthirsty murderer.

but in the documentary it did explain this about rosenberg about all he had to do to be made. The mob cares most about profit.

With all due respect it doesn't matter what some narrator on a documentary said. 100+ years of mafia tradition> one narrators opinion.

It is also common knowledge that Rosenberg dreamed about getting made but everyone knew he was a Jew. Perhaps had no one known him and then he changed his name to Demeo he might have had a chance but everyone including big Paul knew he was of Jewish ancestry and as Ivy said Demeo himself barely got made because big Paul had a rather low opinion of the Demeo crew.

Yeah Demeo and that crew were in the sales of narcotics which Paul didn't like, Paul didn't like drugs. If I can find the documentary it was really good more detailed actually, but your right Paul knew what he was and so did everyone else, and Paul wasn't going to let that happen he was a strict man. Maybe if it was someone like John Stanfa he might agree to this about Rosenberg being made, and the rest of the steps of what I said. Greed gets them all and that's how they go down.

Unless I'm mistaken, Rosenberg didn't have an ounce of Italian blood. There is not a single case - not one - where somebody has been made without at least being partially Italian. There was no way he would have been made by Castellano, Stanfa, or anybody.

Rosenberg would never have been made. God knows he convinced enough people that he could be, but it was never going to happen. His history was too well known.

We can all accept this is not an exact science, and even though alot of these documentaries are entertaining, there's alot of flase and innaccurate information in some of them. Some are better then others, but to take it all at face value would be a disservice to the research.

Out of all the Godfathers I would think Rosenburg would have had the best chance of being made by Stanfa forsure. With him being Sicilian you would think he would have been more old school but he bent more rules than anyone when it came to blood lines.

I dont know. Stanfa made some guys that would have never been made anywhere else, but they were all at least part Italian. Rosenburg was Jewish, through and through.

And besides his drug-trafficking and autho thefts, he didnt have all that much acumen.

Curious... would I have made it??

Grandpa was Calabrese
Grandma was Siciliana

Both on my dad's side.

Yeah, right? But oh, I was adopted and don't know WTF I am really. Does blood really matter that much, or does family line rule?

No. Bloodline and family roots aside, a real don doesn't wear shorts.

Still, J Geoff had more of a chance then Rosenberg ever did. Donnie Brasco claimed to have been adopted, and it didn't seem to matter with those guys.

If you had happened to be of "that persuasion" (read: homicidal douche), I reckon you would have been "Italian enough" to make the grade J Geoff!

Hey, Ron Previte was an ex-cop and God knows what origins the name Previte is derived from.

Im pretty sure Previte is Sicilian.

You're sexually confused .

Previte and Previti are well common North Eastern Sicilian (Messina) lastnames.

Ron Previte is a 2nd-generation Italian-American on both sides of his family. His parents' folks moved to the Southern NJ\South Eastern PA areas.

The crazy thing about him getting made is that he was an ex-cop. Jeez, Stanfa was supposed to be an old-school Zip...

What about Martines? Was his lastname mispelled form the Italian "Martinis" (with an I) or was he of Spanish descent?

martines is a surname of spanish descent present in south italy

ray liotta could have probably been made but he himself is not italian but is adopted by italian parents and has an italian surname.

I usually check this website when checking if a name is Italian.

http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo-v...11#.UnjmGHC-2So

But sometimes some names don't show up. Was Thomas “Pee Wee” DePhillips Italian? Also Gerry DeNono from Chicago and John DeRoss. There was a couple others too but I can't think off the top of my head.

Is the website above accurate?


Thanks.

Not all Italian names end in a vowel...some of the ones we see here in the states have been Americanized but even in Italy you see some without vowels at the end....hell, if I just go by Italian goalkeepers you have Zoff, Desanctis and Buffon lol.

I believe Anthony Senter had a relative with the surname Vulpis. Both Italians.

I can think of - using Italian footballers as an example - a few more with surnames not ending in vowels: Cois, Pasqual, Maran, De Laurentiis, Guidolin, Pellissier.....

It is also worth noting that in an effort to assimilate, people from certain countries, like neighbouring Slovenia, will Italianise their surnames. An example would be the forebears of the great Italian footballer, Paolo Maldini. His surname was originally "Maldic".

It is also worth noting that there are huge cultural differences between the North and South of the country and different characteristics in different regions.

There are areas of Italy where it is not uncommon to find people with red hair. There are several footballers with flame roots, including Davide Biondini and Alessandro Gazzi.

Meanwhile, The great Francesco Totti, one of my favourites, has the Roman nose but pale skin and brown hair.

Also Gianluigi Buffon. Speaking of footballers, my Fabio Cannavaro is still THE hottest man on the planet.

Could a person from Argentina or South America be made in the mob. Argentine people mostly have Italian last names and other south American countries?

I showed that map/name location search to Italian friends and they put their last names in and they said it was very inaccurate. Also names that end in vowels are not always Italian as they can be Spanish, or from Latin America.

It's largely a myth that in order to be "made" or join la famiglia you must be fully Italian on both sides of your family. Sometimes people get in because of Italian heritage from a certain region passed on from generations ago as they're born into it and they do not have an Italian last name.

They said that Pistone is a Sicilian last name and that's Donnie Brasco's actual name, and apparently he was not adopted.



Possibly they could join IOC factions in those countries if they were foolish enough to want to do this and had a death wish.

According to Tommy Pitaro, the only way to prove it is that he "Has to know the [BadWord] you came out of", which as we all know isn't foolproof either.
I agree with the others above that there is no way in hell Chris Rosenburg could have been made- it was just a wild dream and whoever did that "Documentary" just didn't do enough research.
Physical appearance isn't reliable either. Most people think of an Italian as having black hair, olive skin and brown eyes. I have a nephew with blue eyes and blond hair and he is 100% Sicilian.

I think most of these guys know each other, they're from the same neighbourhoods and when they decide to induct someone into the organization they know whether or not he's Italian.

Frank D'Amato made a few guys that weren't Italian but they had to give him a few blowjobs.

Was he bisexual? This sounds odd but I know some gay men who would find the idea of that to be something they would like.

there a guy around were I live that its pretty common knowledge hes adopted and hes a made guy guess it don't matter as long as you have a Italian last name to join the mob. the guy is nuts and stabs and shoots, he wont be out anytime soon anyway,

You're Irish. Right, pmac?

Just asking because I'm curious about how the Irish and Italians get along in Boston today, Down here I think we've come to the realization that we're better off with each other than with some of the newer immigrants (I mean as far as the street is concerned, I'm not being racial or anything like that ).

If this supposed guy is that open and violent he's probably not 'made', or in la famiglia, and it's just a rumour he spread about himself, or other people did for him since he's just a street thug that is violent.

will all be rooting for the bruins tonite. the bloodlines around here are so mixed. salemmi was the first half Irish boss. my friends are all mutts. my mother calls my sister in law a mutt cause she got a little native american in here a lilbit but my grandparents on here side are off the boat potatoes died before I knew them very catholic there. but I think they got strict again ya rite as long as the money you kick up is green. the guy was violent but most mob guys are plus this is shit he did almost 20 yrsag QN really ain't my biz. I see him on lists people make I don't know. salemmi would make anyone kicking up or shooting for him.

It's not surprising Mr. Previte became a rat.

That is no longer true at all and it's a myth. If they only limited it to people who are as you put it "100% Italian" nobody would be able to join in the United States or in other countries besides Italy.

Granted yes you do have to have an Italian heritage/background but you do not have to be fully Italian, or have an Italian heritage on only your father's side.

In the United States those groups of people you mentioned are considered powerful by the media; but compared to ones in Italy from the island, they are weak and unorganized. But Mr. Stanfa is correct compared to where he is from, the United States and IOC here is "like Kindergarten".

Either way the idea that you simply must be completely Italian, or have an Italian last name or heritage on your father's side in order to join or be "made" is a myth. At one time 100s of years ago or close to 70 years ago it was like that but it has not been that way for decades.

It's simple. Drop your pants. If you're not circumcised, you're from the old country.

Who gives a shit

And a big fat lol @ having to be 100 in order to be made into any American Mafia family. Yeah right.

LOL!

A lot of people are not doing this in the United States. I have American friends who did not have it done and they're never going to have it done as it is pointless.

I know a lot of Italian American men who are not cut as 3rd/4th/5th generation Italian Americans but their parents and grandparents are against it.

If I had male children it would not be done because Hispanics and Latinos both in the USA and around the world do not do it. Even Jewish people in Spain and Latin America do not always do it. But the majority of men around the world are not cut and in many cultures/countries it's seen as genital mutilation.

I think its around 50/50 now in the united states. The last holdouts are more conservative white folks and those that do it for religious reasons.

I feel bad for guys who do it as an adult .

Those are some pretty intimate conversations you and your friends have.

A lot of them are gay or bisexual men and are just, very open or we can talk about anything. Some I have known for decades so it's just like that.

Rightfully so. Lived it and it was absolutely horrible.
It was a necessary evil, but I'm going to spare the details

Can u be made into the mob if your were adopted or was a foster kid/orphanage and had an Italian last name?

I am Northern Italian (Veneto region) and my last name doesn't end in a vowel. A lot of Northern Italians last names don't end in vowels. Some Northern Italians also even have blonde hair, red hair, and more fair colored skin. It is a myth that all Italians have olive skin, names end in a vowel, and black hair. Italy is a large country that extends from the Mediterranean in the south to the Alps on the border that Italy shares with Switzerland.

There is also poverty in Northern Italy (although not as widespread as in the South) and a lot of Northern Italians fled poverty to the United States as well (my family being one to leave Veneto region to immigrate to New Jersey for a better life.)

The one famous gangster I can think of that was Northern Italian was Greg "The Grim Reaper" Scarpa.

You know you're Italian when...

1) You're 5' 4", bench-press 325 pounds, and shave twice a day, but you still cry when your mother yells at you.

2) Your father owns five houses and has $300,000 in the bank, but still drives a '76 Monte Carlo.

3) You share a bathroom with your five brothers and have no money, but drive a $45,000 Camaro or Firebird.

4) Your mechanic, plumber, electrician, accountant, and travel agent are all blood relatives.

5) You consider a cannoli dunked in espresso a nutritious breakfast.

6) Your two best friends are your cousin and your brother-in-law's brother-in-law.

9) At least five of your cousins live on your street.

10) All five of those cousins are named after your grandfather.

11) A high-school diploma and one year of Nassau Community College have earned you the title of "Professore" among your aunts.

12) You are on a first-name basis with at least eight banquet-hall owners.

13) If someone in your family grows taller than 5' 6", it is presumed his mother had an affair.

14) There were more than 28 people in your bridal party.

15) You netted more than $50,000 on your first communion.

16) At some point in your life, you were a D.J.

17) Thirty years after immigrating, your parents still say, "Pronto," when answering the phone.

18) If you have ever been in a fight defending Sly Stallone's thespian greatness.

19) Somewhere on your parents' property there is a bathtub Madonna.

20) You build your house with three materials: brick, brick and wrought iron.

21) You have at least one sister who went to beauty school.

22) Clothes from the Chess King actually fit you.

23) It is impossible for you to talk with your hands in your pockets.

24) You have been to a funeral where talk of the deceased is, "He shoulda kept his big yap shut."