What would you do if your Vito Rizzuto

I want a serious discussion on if you guys were Vito Rizzuto what would you do when your released from prison? I know he needs to see the five family commission and try and broker a deal for support and make sure if they support him still as leader of Montreal. Then rally the troops that are still loyal in Montreal and get prepared. Its a scary and tough to think about just would like to hear what you guys would do..

Expanding on your idea of meeting with New York. It's good, but the Commission is more or less defunct. If he was smart he would go and see the Genovese, though, for some hypothetical master plan tips. If Rizzuto could sell it as their obligation to help him given the rules of LCN, they might help him. But not in terms of muscle. Just idea and groundwork. If I was him I might also scope out the new Gambino boss, Dom Cefalu. I wouldn't go to the Bonannos just yet, let them come to me.

This is all if he still wants to stay in the life.

I think that he'll go to Cefalu'. They are both Sicilians, and veteran mobsters.

BUT...are we sure that he even KNOWS who's behind all this?
I mean, there's a lot of speculation around: Calabrians from GTA, Calabrians\Italian-Canadians for Hamilton, Calabrians from Montreal, etc...

If Vito's smart he'll cut his losses, keep whatever millions he has stashed away and use his reputed charm and intelligence in going legit.

BarrattM is right; there's not really a sitting Commission for him to meet with at his point. Beyond that, there is no real evidence as yet that the Rizzuto's have any real contact with NY, nonwithstanding the old connection to the Bonanno's which pretty much dried up by the time Massino himself pointed the finger at Vito.

But just because Vito and Italian Dom are both Zips doesn't necessarily mean that they automatically operate within the same circles. But if he was going to approach an NY power...well who really knows?

I don't think its going to matter much as he will most likely be extradited to Italy to face those Messina Bridge money laundering charges. IF BY CHANCE he doesn't i think he's also going to have so many eyes on him it will be tough to make any serious moves. There are also too many variables to speculate (how many of his men are left who are loyal, how much cash he has, his new york connections, etc...)

Vito is probably getting extradited to Italy when he gets out, to face serious charges, so I think he's pretty much done in Montreal. I'm not sure if someone will step up to run what is left of the family.

If I was Vito and I had his money,I'd try and get revenge.No way I'd run after my son,father and best friend were all clipped.But I wouldn't get involved with the mob again.The reason the Rizzutos are getting destroyed is because they lack muscle.They ran one of the biggest drug operations in the world without any muscle,someone caught on to that fact and started clipping them.I mean look at the Mexicans,and the kind of muscle they have,the kind of money they're spending on enforcement.

The Rizzutos suposedly made billions.I'd use some of that money to hire real muscle,ex-special forces:SAS,Navy SEALs or something.With a few million you could hire quite a few of them,tool them up and have them go to town on whoever you want.

Yes the Italy extradition is still lingering over his head when he does in fact get out of jail. I was reading something about Desjardins was making a power move to take over the Rizzuto's don't know how true this is because it looks he was going to be killed working for Rizzuto's. He needs to lay low after seeking advice with NY to see if they still support his family get support from Sicily and build up let time go buy growing stronger and if it presents itself strike back quickly and quietly. The heat is too strong now Govt and Police are going to be watching him even closer to see if he retaliates right away. Because lets face it NY gets its drugs from Italy and Canada. He will never retire and he seems very honorable and old school mafia to never ever rat or hide.

I would take my 300 million and get the hell out of Montreal and buy an island in the Caribbean like Carlos Lehder did.

Whos been going after vito?

So is there still no word on who or what organization whacked the Rizzutos? Is there any updates?

After reading some articles, I would call Salvatore "Sal the Ironworker" Montagna into question as per this article:

https://af11.wordpress.com/tag/sal-the-ironworker/

Strange that, even though this was made public, no arrests or updates have been made. Let me know if anyone else hears anything. I'm in canada and we lack much excitement from the "underworld" if u will. Most of our org crime has migrated to the biker. If you can call it organized lol

So, in keeping with the theme of this thread, you're saying after Vito Rizzuto is released, he should call Montagna and question him? Just in case he had anything to do with the murders of his father and son I guess? Interesting.

Rizzuto is done in Canada, if he's not sent to Sicily to face charges there is no family left to seek revenge with. I think if he does not go to Sicily he will stay in the states and live out the remainder of his years in Miami with the rest of the washed up gangsters.

The call would go something like this:

Vito: Yeah, how are you, do you know who did those things that we know about but know ones talking.

Sal: Yeah, I know who did those things that no one is talking about.

Vito: Was it you

Sal: No

Vito: You sure

Sal: it wasn't me

Vito: Pinky swear

Sal: Pinky Swear

Vito: Okay, bye

This thread should be deleted lol. See "Mantagna believed to be boss in montreal". Thats thread discusses this in detail. This thread seems to be a floater.....

Mobsters don't say goodbye, they just hang up.

Two different topics of discussion entirely. But good on you for making your first two posts completely irrelevant.

Is there a sitdown on this forum? I feel my blood pressure rising.

How can you let go the killing of your son??? If I was Vito all that would matter would be revenge. I'm sure Vito will figure out who is running things.

Two different topics of discussion entirely. But good on you for making your first two posts completely irrelevant.

Is there a sitdown on this forum?

WOW, someone has a temper. LMAO, love ppl that exploit the number of posts ive made. You remind me of a school yard bully that has no friends. Topics are entirely different yes, but my post was relevant to the question above my first post. And my second post was based on my opinion of what direction this thread was going, thats okay isnt it or are opinions not allowed here? WOW so shocked that a new member gets treated like this. sorry that I dont live on forums, in fact this is the first one ive joined. What a dink. Goodluck in life.

This is what my first post was in regard to, I made the mistake of not quoting, as well i belive both Jimmy and my post should have been in the other thread "Montagna...montreal". Obviously he wouldnt call and question him lmao....yowza...do I need to start watching my back now? or living out of a hideout? im sorry, im sorry, im sorry, im sorry, im sorry.

Now, getting back to the theme of the thread, ^^ completely agree.

No big deal, Forrest, we're good. You already admitted you don't understand the quote button or what to post where, so what more to say? Carry on and never forget, your opinions are always welcome with me.

lol Thx for the pass.

Well, if we're going to be serious, if I were Rizzuto I would definitely give The Iron Worker a call and fish for answers by quizzing him about the latest season of "Jersey Shore." If he hesitates in his answers regarding "The Situation," then he's got something to hide and very likely doesn't want you to know the REAL situation.

Wow, talk about taking a post out of context. Okay it was funny at first....but...seriously? I kisworded my sentence I suppose. But by me saying "Call Sal into question" i didnt mean request his presence at ur office to question his part in the "situation"......All i meant by it was "If I was Vito, I would suspect Sal, based on the timeline of the article that I posted. Clarified.......? Good Lord.

I sometimes kisword my sentences. But only if its consensual.

hahahahaha, I surrender.

There is NO way Vito will tolerate his paps and kid being killed not a guy like Vito. He'll probably kill every mutterfucker he suspects.

If somebody ever killed my father and son id buy a couple AK's with a bunch of mags a couple rocket launchers, C4, and a dragunov sniper. Then of course id unleash fury on everybody i suspect was involved.

We're talking about criminals, who have different standards than normal people like us. They can have their family killed if the break certain rules.

And he's too isolated to make a move anyhow. Do you really think that he's gonna do it himself? No Way Jose!
And...again...are we even sure that he has a clear idea of who's really behind all this?

We don't know how isolated Vito is. He always had good connections so I would consider him capable of settling scores. But the current situation shows that the Rizzutos' regime in Montreal is all but over.

Don't forget your military grade back pack flame-thrower while your at it.
Nothing quite like seeing your enemy go snap, crackle, pop in front of your eyes.

The Rizzuto's are done, and Vito knows it too.

My guess is that any guys that were loyal to Vito and the Rizzuto Family were informed they were under new management by the "new regime". They were also told where, when and how much money to start kicking up to their new boss(es). Otherwise, these guys could join Nick, Nick Jr., Paolo Renda and Agostino Contrera.

There are guys out there still running their rackets and drug smuggling, but they are kicking up to the new Montreal boss(es).

I think it also likely that Vito knows who the new regime is, and who is responsible for the murders of his family members. Vito's wife or some other family member very likely heard from a Rizzuto soldier or associate and told during a visit at the SuperMax in Florence.

I do believe that Vito will be extradited to Italy to face charges there when he finishes his time in the US.

If he is not extradited, I don't think he can, nor do I think he will, try to exact revenge.

I agree with Sonny's point, in that Vito would have a much better idea then anyone else who exactly is behind what plots and which were directed at him. Obviously he's not talking though. Whatever ends up coming out in the wash (for us mob-watchers) will be interesting.

The thing is, over the last few years certain media sources have revelled in linking every new murder, every new attack, every new intrigue in Canada with whats been going on in Montreal. A great example would be the Nick Rizzuto Jr hit, which was reported as a direct affront to Rizzuto influence when it seems that the murder was actually connected to a business dispute he was in the midst of. Another is the string of cafe firebombings in Montreal, which were for a long time referred to as an attack on Rizzuto/Sicilian hegomony, while in actuality it seems to have been the result of a literal "price-war" between certain Turkish and Italian elements, at least according to the book Mafia Inc.

While Vito definitely seems isolated and vulnerable, its too easy to write him off completely at this point. In any case though, the Rizzuto's are done as the 'first family' of Montreal OC.

There is no such a thing as him getting no revenge. That is completely ignorant and naive to believe. He knows who's behind this.

His wife is selling their house in Canada, which pretty much says he's not going back to Canada. And he has no more time to serve in Canada anymore, as they took off the years he was fighting extradition.

Most likely he's not being extradited to Italy because mafia association is not a crime in the US or Canada.

He will end up in Aruba. Mark it down.

Carmela, do they still go to Aruba? I know the [BadWord]-Caruana's used to practically own the country but i thought they had problems there.

I have heard or read that the Dominican Republic is another destination for sicilian mafioso's on the run. Brazil also. Not sure about Venezuela anymore though.

[BadWord]- lol!! I think most people here know the name i mentioned. Not a "bad word" though i can obviously see why it might come up as one.

Oooooh, you bad, Leroy.

He could will probably end up in Aruba or Venezuela. Rizzuto's have a lot of family still in Aruba. I don't say he'd be conducting any business from there, but retreating to.

Bad, Bad Leroy Jones.

I knew i was meant to be Leroy Brown....just like the song.

Yeah, you're bad Leroy. Like a porn star!

Who told you that?

I was young, i had to pay the rent!

You can get around it by spelling it cun.trera or something similar.



Agreed.



Great points. And the Aruba theory is interesting. Guess we'll see what goes on when he gets out of jail.

I think there has always been only one family, first headed by the Cotronis, then the Rizzutos, and now again by the Cotronis or their allies.

Nick Rizzuto's hunger for power in the 1970s would ultimately also lead to their downfall. The Rizzutos had it comming for many years.

That's interesting. Aruba is part of the Netherlands. My cousin went there in the late 1990s, but he came back because he supposedly became involved with the wrong crowd. Maybe people connected with the [BadWord]-Caruanas, who knows.

I've always been curious about that Mafia Association law in Italy. Exactly what does someone have to do to be guilty of "Mafia Association"? Talk to a known Mafioso? Seen in public with one? In business with someone? Seems kind of vague to me.

Being part of a criminal association is a crime in the US.

Pretty much, yes. In Italy, they will come and arrest anyone they even think has been doing business with a mafioso. If you are a store owner and paying to the mob, or even just approached, and don't report it, you can also be arrested now since this forza italia has come into effect. If you are a family member and they even suspect you have had contact with a fugitive mafioso in your family, they will arrest you. You'll be held til you can prove your innocence. Guilty until proven innocent. That's the way it is.

Mafia association is not a crime in the US. To simply know a mafioso is not a crime. To associate with one, is not a crime. Because of this he will not be extradited to Italy, unless they pull a Rosario Gambino on him, but that's doubtful.

Yeah I hear that. But I think you missed my point. I meant that the Rizzuto's are done as the leading family in the Montreal Mafia Family.

As for Aruba, Im not sure if claims that they (the Cun.trera/Carauna) really did "own 40 to 60%" of the island during the early 90's, but they no doubt have a strong base there.

I was gonna ask if your cousin was Joram Van Der Sloot.

Thanks Carmela. Sounds like they could pick up half of sicily under that law if they really wanted to.

Hell no!

Why in the world would Vito Rizzuto come back to Montreal. They killed his father, son, brother in-law and closest ally, Agostino [BadWord].

He knows better than to come here and his family is done in Montreal. When they killed the Violi brothers, the wives fled back to Hamilton where they were protected by the Luppinos and local ndrangheta. The Rizzutos will do the same thing and retreat to a palce where they feel safe and protected.

During the Violi funerals, I don`t think the Rizzuto clan was present, so with that in mind, the lack of mobsters at the Rizzuto funerals indicates that the people behind the hits did the same thing.

As Sonny black pointed out and I`ve read elsewhere, it seems the Cotronis(when I say Cotronis i mean the whole Calabrian faction and it`s allies) are back on top. However, things won`t be over until Vito is released.

The Cotroni family has a lot of contacts, especially with the French-Canadian world, bikers included. People wrote them off during the Rizzuto regime, but they kept a low profile and did their thing, like Di Maulo and Gallo.