non italian made members philadelphia crime family

i saw somewhere it was listed as the philadelphia crime family a cuban guy named eloy posada pasada something like that was made a soldier is this true? I knew that John veasey was made but only italian on his mothers side and was made and henry hill wasnn't

thats because for a while philly had idiots as bosses who made non Italians.

Which bosses? would you say

stanfa made veasey who had an italian mother but his last name wasnt italian veasey tho it may have sounded italian with the vowel placements n all. was his non-italian fathers last name unmakeable by LCN standards. Then there was Fernandez i dont know if he was made of lot

Gambino Captain Andre Campos mother is Italian and father is Purto Rican. He now goes by Andre Campo.

good find I wonder if the bosses made him change it or he did it for his personnal advancement

ONtario, Sorry it's Andrew Campos, now Andrew Campo. His mother boyfriend is/was Gambino captain, Richie Martino and he took Andrew under his wing. Andrew also played football with Puff Douchbag/Bucktooth Daddy in High School and are very close friends. Campos got out of jail last year on that massive Internet scam with Martino, Locasio and others.

that`s ok but good job for double checking now people will see you as a credible source of info

andrew campos is puerto rican on his father's side I didn't know that I thought his father was an italian but of albanian or greek origin in italy. Thanks for your information.

Tell us more does he get along with his father.

How could he have been made its kind of strange but interesting

Tell us more about it.

There's never been a "non-Italian," strictly speaking, that has been made. Even guys like John Veasey in Philadelphia or Chucky Porter in Pittsburgh were Italian on their mother's side. But examples like that are pretty rare. Usually guys are at least Italian on their father's side, thereby having an Italian last name, if not Italian on both sides.

hey what the cuban guy eloy posada

I don't think there's ever been anyone by that name made in Philadelphia.

it was named on the list before i remember seeing that it said he was a soldier but retired to florida, also there is a made guy in the decavalcante family not italian probably artie vornov

Botz are you maybe thinking about Louie Eggs Consalvo?

No but saw a name listed a made guy as artie vornov a soldier

Once again, there have been a handful of guys over the years who have been made despite not being Italian on their father's side, so they don't have an Italian last name. But even those have had some Italian blood. And they are still very much the exception to the rule.

true but what about anthony st. laurent was that his step fathers last name and took that

theres always exceptions to the rule....look at gotti jr hes not full italian. alot of the time if your a TRUEMENDOUS earner or have a blood relative this rule can be bent

Jake guzik of the oufit and ever crew has there "hesh"

It really comes down to whether any one in this day in age cares if u`ve received a 5 minute ritual in the 70`s you were the talk of the neighborhood everyone and his family knew if u`d been made now not so much very private ordeal

How about those guys who Paid to get straightened out?

In Goodfellas, when Pesci's character goes off on Billy Batts, you hear him telling Deniro that Batts is not even a tough guy and that he paid for his button. I also recall that long time Gambino Associate and Bookmaker, Lenny Minuto, wanted to pay Greg DePalma and Arnold Squitteri 1 million dollars to get straightened out. I wonder if he they ever took it.

I am to understand the ones Anastasia initiated were stripped of membership after his death.

yeah this is one of the reasons why the books were closed for almost 20 yrs. people were selling buttons.

If so, I wonder if they received a refund? In one account I read they were paying $50k, which would translate to about $400k today. It amazes me that someone would empty their life savings for the privilege of being murdered or a long prison sentence. I think there was a lot of ignorance about the true nature of the mob back then.

I doubt it would be considered emptying their life savings. The person would have to be a big earner to begin with, just to be in that position. Also, in those days, being made would open the door to many more opportunities to earn. An investment of sorts.

your exactly correct. being a crooked business man or a shop owner that could have the protection of a family, any other rackets they could pick up, and plus the social status would def be an investment back then. remember if you were with a crew it was like a license to steal. you could fuck around with anyone else that wasn't a member so that would help them rocket their original business. this is really a win win situation back then. today not so much!

stanfa in his infinite wisdom must have thought that Veasey was spelled Visi or Vese or Vesi
and Amy Whinehouse dead at 27 (I know not OC)

ha good one ontario lets not forget frank martines. hahaha

The Underboss in Boston was a guy name Frank Salemi, he was half Irish.....

ah, frank salemme yes frank could be made cause he is italian on the paternal side but what about anthony st. laurent is he full or half italian

stanfa was money hungrey. he had no wisdom!

stanfa was so crazy about street tax money did Stanfa make Joey Merlino or was Joey even made at all. Also Ralph Natale said he made himself.

I'll always see Joey Merlino as the real antagonist of the Philly Mob saga. Scarfo destroyed it in the first place. But Joey indirectly puts anyone who could restore it down. I say indirectly, because during this time the family had a nice opportunity to rebuild through peaceful advisors who made peace with the easily manipulated Stanfa. Unfortunately, Stanfa shot himself in the foot immediately by making Merlino (Joey Gallo 2.0) even when he was advised not to - don't know by whom. Joey's best friend, Michael Ciancaglini was made as well. Apparently Stanfa forgot one of the few reasons you make a soldier is so they can one day hold a position of authority. What's a renegade sociopath with an authority problem going to do when they get made? If they don't respect you, make a move. I can't understand how anyone could be so blind.

And on the subject of Natale, I've always heard through mob talk and and a few encyclopedic websites that he was made by Joey Merlino while Stanfa was in prison.

but there was the culture clash element stanfa grew up in palermo and merlino and friends were totally assimilated americans

thats the easiest way of putting it. here is a lil back round on stanfa. from gangsterinc written by david amuso

Philadelphia Boss: Ralph Natale
Posted by Gangsters Inc. on November 19, 2010 at 1:27pm
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By David Amoruso

Ralph Natale was proof that the Philadelphia Crime Family was at it's end and in deep trouble. Natale would become the first Mafia boss to flip, turn government witness, and testifie against his former 'employees'. But was he really the top guy or just an uncle junior type of bulls eye for the feds to aim their guns at?

Ralph Natale started out as an absolute nobody. He wasn't a killer or tough guy and he wasn't a smart street guy either. Natale was the guy who hung around but never truly part of the crew, but the guys he hung around liked his company. One of those guys was Philadelphia Crime boss Angelo "The Gentle Don" Bruno, Bruno got Natale started as a bartender at the Rickshaw Inn in Cherry Hill. Tending bar Natale came into contact with a lot of the lower level guys but never really joined the action. A few years later Natale got his first big break when Local 170, bartenders Union he belonged to, was in chaos. 3 of the Union leaders who were controlled by Angelo Bruno were arrested and convicted of extortion. Looking for a new Union leader Bruno decided that Natale would be the guy who would take out Bruno's orders at the Union. As the head of the Union Natale diverted hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Union's health benefit plans to Bruno. Things were going great for Natale, finally he was a somebody with some power and he wasn't gonna let anybody take that away from him....and so when former Local 170 official Joey McGreal was released from prison and wanted Natale's spot Natale committed his first murder. Well he didn't the guy who was with him pulled the trigger for him. Anyway Natale stayed on top as head of the Union and after this murder thought he was even more than just a somebody and started getting into other rackets.

One day a lawyer working for Mr. Living Room, which was a furniture store in Marlton New Jersey, approached Natale to help him out with some insurance scam. Natale was asked to firebomb the place and in turn he would receive 25% from the million dollar insurance settlement. Natale firebombed the place but was allready thinking out a plot that would give him the full 100%. Natale contacted a hitman named Charlie Allen and asked him to help him murder a business partner that owed him money. Natale told Allen: "I’m gonna take him down by the waterfront" "I’m gonna dump ’im. That guy’s stealing my fuckin’ money and when somebody gets into my money". We know he said this because Charlie Allen was a police informer who wore a wire at every meeting he had with Natale. Natale had no clue and told Allen all about rackets he was in on, help he needed and more. Natale talked about how he was a no show employee for the largest beer distributorship in Pliladelphia. In 1978 Natale was arrested for the Mr. Living Room arson and convicted a year later. While he was out on bail Natale used Allen (who again was wearing a wire) to sell 4000 Quaaludes and arrange a meeting between his cocaine suppliers and Allen's buyers (who were federal agents working undercover). And so Natale was arrested again in January 1979 and convicted of smuggling cocaine in July 1980.

How Natale dealt with prison is difficult the say, one story (the one he told his associates) was that he was THE man in there and that every group feared him. But all of that seems to be an attempt to impress his associates then the truth. The truth probably was that he didn't get raped. He did say about his life behind bars: "It was like like being inside an x-ray machine. Prison shows you who is a real man" "how they handle themselves. You see how they act at Christmas with no family or friends around, locked up like that. You see how they do their time. You see who breaks, who bends and who is a stand-up guy."

Inside Natale eventually shared a cell in Erie County, Pa. with Joseph Merlino, a young Philadelphia mobster. Natale found out that the 2 had a lot in common as they both hated the former boss Nicky Scarfo and the way he had run the Philadelphia Crime Family. Merlino hated Scarfo for demoting his father Salvatore "Chuckie" Merlino from Underboss to soldier and Natale was angry when Scarfo grabbed his illegal proceeds and never took care of his family while he was in prison. Natale found he had authority and seniority and with the help of Merlino and his crew of youngsters he could become boss. After a few years Merlino got out and found that Scarfo had been replaced with the Sicilian born John Stanfa. Merlino who after all the talks about leadership with Natale wasn't about to let his plans be stopped by this old Sicilian out of towner and pretty soon Merlino got ready for war.

As Merlino and his group of youngsters were fighting Stanfa and his guys Natale was safe in prison, sometimes calling Merlino to give him some pep talk and promise him that once they would be the leaders things would be great. Easy talk when you're not in the line of fire. After several mobsters on both sides were killed the F.B.I. decided to put a stop on this war and take Stanfa and his crew off the streets. Now Natale and Merlino could take the top positions. In 1995 Natale was released from prison and took the top spot after Merlino (who had become a made guy under Stanfa) made him. Now Natale who never had done any real Mafia work in his gangster life was in the top spot of the Philadelphia Crime Family just after becoming a made guy. He had the backing of the New York Families.

Natale was a happy man but right away things seemed to be not quite as they should've been. Merlino continued to act as he had done under Stanfa. Eventhough Natale was boss and as such the guy who said how things had to go he realized that a lot of stuf was done without talking to him first. People were getting whacked without Natale's permission and there was more and more proof that Merlino was running his own organization. One former Natale associate said: "They tried to leave Ralph out," "But he knew. People would drop money or other things off for Joey but Joey wouldn’t be there and Ralph was. So Ralph would say, ‘I’ll hold onto it.’ Then he’d check it out and find money or something from a scheme nobody had told him about. This was about 1995, less than a year in his position, that Natale began to suspect Merlino and his friends were very disloyal. They were cutting him out of deals and going behind his back to make money. Natale was letting them get comfortable and bury themselves." His former associates also say that Stanfa was planning on taking the whole Merlino crew out with the help of a North Jersey crew ran by Pete Caprio.

Because he was left out of business deals Natale probably really needed more money for his girlfriend (besides his wife), so Natale decided to sell some drugs by himself to make that extra bit Merlino was holding him out on. Acting all by himself out of touch with current events it didn't take the feds long to arrest Natale. Looking at 20 to life and with nothing but hate towards Merlino and his crew Natale decided to save his own skin and burn theirs by becoming a government witness and testifie against his former Family. The first Mafia boss to ever turn on his own Family.

After word got out that Natale had flipped people began to leak stories to the press that Natale knew nothing, that he was nothing but a puppet on a string and that he was kept out of all the major business. They also said that he was never formally inducted but that he bought his way into La Cosa Nostra. This may all be and they try to put Natale down but he had them tricked first when he made them fight his war. And now that he has flipped he seems to have tricked them all again because in 10 years from now Natale will be living somewhere in freedom where they will be either dead, in prison or on their way to prison. The whole situation just shows how fucked up the situation in the Philadelphia Crime Family really is.

On January 21, 2005 Ralph Natale was sentenced to 13 years in prison for drug dealing, racketeering and bribery. Before he decided to cooperate with authorities he was facing life in prison. He will serve no more than 8 years because of time already spent in prison. At the time of this update Natale is 69, I wonder if he will live to enjoy freedom.

Greg delpalma was so pathetic towards the end of his life im sure he would of had someone made for $1000 i can only imagine what he would do for a mil

One less junkie to have walking the earth using my fresh air IMO

Well said. Most junkes should be rehabilitated with one finger.

On the special "The Ten Commandments of the Mafia', it is asserted that John Stanfa's bodyguard/driver Freddy Aldrich was inducted, too. Aldrich's name and appearance isn't very Mediterranean.

Aldrich was never a made guy...and Stanfa was the biggest dummy in philly lcn history. People in his own faction ended up disgusted with him, he was a total incompetent.

@Philly kid

Oh yeah on ten commandments of the mafia it said that Aldrich was a ex soldier probably meaning he was a soldier in the army not a mafia soldier.

Yeah, I have the feeling that it's bull, myself, but thought it was worth mentioning. Aldrich is listed as an ex-soldier, not an ex-associate. He smugly sits up there and speaks about the rules like he invented them. I wonder whether the producers just made a mistake or took his word.

Ron Previte is described as an ex-solider, too, and I'm not sure if he was ever in the military.

@ BadLookingSal

Ron Previte was in the military he was describing how bad it was in there and had a psychologist that said he was criminally minded.

On a side note, author Scott Bernstein (who posts on the Real Deal) has just announced that he's working on a new book with Phil Leonetti.

Carmine Persico had Hugh "Apples" McIntosh. Gotti had Willie Boy. Joe Watts did his thing with the Gambino's for ages. Russel Bufalino had Frank the Irishman Sheeran. Joe Barboza hung around the Patriarca's for decades (in that case they were totally, totally wrong) Vito Rizzuto had that Spanish guy they called Joe Bravo. You often read about non-Italian crew members, guys either lifelong friends with or related to wise-guys, or just good at what they do. LCN wouldn't work as well as it did without its associates of all stations and ethnicity. I dont think there's ever been enough criminally inclined Italians in America for that it to be a economically feasible option to only deal within the race.

So I just never got what the hell Stanfa was thinking. I mean, he was from the Old School. He was born in Sicily, and through his family's connections to the banished Inzerillo's, he had ties to Carlo Gambino himself...and yet even with such pedigree's he just couldn't seem to make a go of it.

And I just dont understand how a guy like that was comfortable making his associates. Even if they were half-Italian, just the wrong half. I bet there were some wiseguys pissed off about that.

Once again, there has NEVER been a guy made into ANY family that wasn't at least partially Italian. And even the relatively few guys who were made, while only being Italian on their mother's side, are very much the exception to the rule. By and large it's been either full blood Italian or at least Italian on your father's side.

I think you missed my point Ivy. I was saying that I dont understand why Stanfa felt he had to make guys like Veasey when it's possible for an associate to earn and operate with the best of them.

Apples McIntosh, Joe Watts, etc

Wasn't Joe Watts effectively a capo at one point? Such was the respect he commanded amongst the Gambino's.

I didn't know about Previte's military background, thanks Botz. Speaking of Stanfa, I think the brash Joey Merlino helped him look like the ass he's obviously considered. Perhaps a better boss would have been wily enough to make "The Young Turks" a memory...? That whole "3 Capos" incident comes to mind. Merlino's faction seemed to overwhelm Stanfa and nothing he tried worked. It's interesting to imagine how that war would've ended had Stanfa not been sent away for life.

Had Piccolo been willing to take the position of boss the war never happens, but he didn't want the heat.

would american cosa nostra let corsicans be made.

Or if Veasey killed Merlino instead of Cianglino.

Stanfa was an idiot, the tapes are ridiclous of him talking. My friend was in prison with him and horsehead n company at the same time for a bank robbery. And my friend yeah hes an idiot too

No, it was said that, if he had been Italian, he would not only have been made but eventually been a captain. But he was certainly a highly respected associate.

Joe Watts use to be a school bus driver when he was younger for the Philadelphia School District, he was also in a relationship with arelene ackeerman

Alrich was a fat slob, he died at the wheel of his car, rumor was he ate himself to death just like John Candy.

Leonetti should have never sold out Bobby Simone, that was the lowest of the low. If you knew Bobby or he knew your family he'd really put time into your case, unlike most lawyers nowdays.