The toughest motherf***er

rank your top five in o.c...the results should be interesting. don't be ashamed to enjoy this great thread of mine.

1. Crazy Joe Gallo
2. Bugsy Siegel
3. Sonny Franzese
4. Carmine Galante
5. Albert Anastasia

Excellent thread.....

For balls: if you crossed these guys, you were definitely gonna go.
1. Carmine Gallante
2. Aniello Dellacroce
3. Al Capone
4. Anthony Casso
5. Greg Scarpa


For ass kicking brawn: these guys would put a beating on you all by themselves.
1. Tommy Pitera
2. Sammy the bull Gravano
3. Vincent the chin Gigante
4. Fat Pete Chiodo (honorary Gorilla Award winner)
5a. (tie) Paulie Gualtieri (Paulie Walnuts from Sopranos)
5b. (tie) Dominick Montiglio

1. Sal Testa

Testa was really tough. he nearly got him arm blown off by a shotgun and still was back on the streets doing muscle work

1. Albert Anastasia
2. Roy DeMeo
3. Greg Scarpa
4. Joe Gallo
5. Anthony Casso (tie)
5. Carmine Galante (tie)

Apparently, according to wiki Galante has a son called James Galante a Bonanno Capo? When you click on his name it goes to a James Galante who is a Genovese associate who raked in the $$$$$

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Galante

"The son of a fisherman, Galante, whose actual birth name was Camillo Galante was born in an East Harlem tenement to Vincenzo "James" Galante and Vincenza Russo, who had immigrated from Castellammare del Golfo, Sicily in 1906. His career in crime started when he was only 11, forming a juvenile street gang on New York's Lower East Side. He is the father of Bonanno family reputed capo James Galante."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Galante


does anybody know the scoop on james galante?

1) Salvie Testa

2)Aniello Delacroce

3)John Veasey ( the guy took 3 bullets to the head and 1 to the chest and still wrestled the knife out of Martinez' hands and stabbed him in the eye)

4)Joe Gallo

5)Frank Nitti

Honorable mention goes to Harry Riccobene because at age 71 he over powered 24 year old Wayne Grande after taking 3 bullets and took the gun away from him.

Yes, big props to the Hunchback. I saw the interview where he describes it. He had no fear.

But Nitti? He whacked himself rather than go back to the can. Where I am from, can you say P U S S Y!

how about sam destanfo?

Well...DeStefano may have been the nastiest mf, but I've never heard of him being exceptionally tough. Maybe he was.

I don`t know I think you have to be pretty strong willed to commit suicide I could not imagine ever putting a gun to my head and pulling the trigger no matter how bad things got. I don`t think he is a Pussy I Mean he didnt Rat or Run He was like 55 He didnt wanna go to jail he made a choice that was his to make.

Luca Brasi, ofcourse.

I'd say so. He loses an eye in a gun fight and goes home and pours himself a drink while waiting for the cops.

Actually he had terminal cancer which is the main reason he shot himself. And I doubt being a p u s s y is a character trait of someone who rises to the top of the Chicago outfit.

1 Tommy Pitera 2 Anthony Rampino 3John Veasey 4Sal Testa 5Chris Paciello [might take some heat for Paciello because he was a rat but they said he was one bad-ass mother-fucker,could really handle himself well

Anthony "Tumac" Accenturo
Bobby Borrelio
Eddie Lino
Greg Scarpa
Greg Scarpa JR
Joe Pistone ( I know he was an agent and he is also a "self proclaimed" tough guy. but if you believe anything he has said he doesnt take any shit off anyone and can throw a mean hook)

Carmine Galante, Carmine Persico, Hunchback( He did that do wayne and also fought off another attacker around that time as well), Testa. my 5th is Gallo.

Veasey gets my honorable mention.

Hymie Weiss
Albert Anastasia
Frank (Dasher) Abandando
Carmine Galante
Joey Gallo

Anthony 'the Ant' Spilotro was pretty tough no? At least Joe Pesci was in Casino. Ah, what the hell, I recommend Joe Pesci.

And talking about Spilotro, I also recommend "Billy McCarthy". Refusing to name an accomplice until you're head is put into a vise and you're eyes pop out would surely qualify as "tough motherfucker".

Yeah the story about Scarpa is just crazy.Carmine Persico also had alledgedly spat out a bullet that entered his face but it was probably bullshit.

Casso is up there too.He got hit by bullets and buckshot from a shotgun,then sat in a restaurant freezer for what must have been at least an hour or two,then walked to a payphone and made a call.And and the hospital he refused to have the bullets extracted,he went home the next day with lead still lodged in his back

i would like to hear your reasoning why you put scarpa jr on there.

my list would be

1)aneilo dellacroce
2)crazy joe gallo
3)carmine persico
4)salvie testa
5)jimmy burke (if the stories are true)

no doubt...tony montana

Chris Paciello gets on the Toughest Juiced Motherf***er list (aka the Jose Canseco tough guy list). Roid rage offers an ass kicking advantage. The fact that he is a rat, and was never made also means he gets an asterisk (aka the Roger Maris, which still pisses me off).

Hello "gentlemen", very cool forum, alot of laughs and interesting debates so it's a pleasure to be a member here. Having said that I'll post my top five, culled from second hand knowledge, ie-reading many mob books, because I don't know any "connected" people. Let me know how off-base I am.

1. Albert Anastasia
2. Roy DeMeo
3. Tommy Agro
4. Louie Milito
5. Willie "Boy" Johnson- went "bad" but is half-Italian/half indian, that's a good combination for a "bad" boy

i see alot of people putting demeo on here. i find him the most interesting gangster and if you want to go as to call him my fav i guess you could do this. he was very psycopathic and cruel but i don't know how tough he really was. he def had a tough stomach. but also killed a man who gave him a black eye. although the line he muttered about the guy who gave him a black eye was "last important thing he will ever do!"

the weakest mammas boy: Kenji Gallo look what this fanuuk is doing now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MNLvRI5vp0
Orange County in SOCAL is the last place the mob should be recruiting from

my god! he wasn't even under any charges to snitch! god do i hate him! im glad he has those fkn cauliflower ears in this video. i wish he would have gotten in with a stronger family besides mickey mouse or the sinking ships so he could have gotten whacked the first day he came around. sorry to rant but i just have no respect for him, he theories, his blogs, his facebooks or anything!!!!!!!

I know the FBI flipped him by saying we know who you are now it`s over. It would take a colombo to get a fruitcake like this into the mob He reminds me of chow from the hangover.

agreed, i enjoyed his blogs only for his rants against teddy persico and the colombos and all the shit that people used to post on the comments, if I didnt know any better I would def say some connected guys posted there considering what they were saying/their details

Do you have any links to the blogs and rants? I would love to check them out.

I think as long as Teddy Persico has a heartbeat, this guy is gonna have to look over his shoulder. Kenji claimed for the longest time he wasn't hiding and even posted the name of the street he stayed on. Of course it wasn't his street. This guy is all talk and just about everything he said in that book of his is a lie. I don't doubt for a minute he's reading everything we say here and anything he thinks sounds incriminating or sympathetic to organized crime figures will most likely be reported by him to the FBI. That's just how he is. Kenji is the type of rat who'd enjoy a two hour drive to the police station just to rat on his mother for ignoring a stop sign.

Um ok..... how much time you got?

Well lets see, He beat the shit out of Vic Amuso in Federal Prison, Lives in fucking ADX, anyone who can take that place has a spot on this list regardless if they have ever thrown a punch. Oh, did I mention Vic Amuso is/was the boss of the Lucchesse Family at the time? Oh, and then theres that little thing of his dad being Greg Scarpa SR....

See, people often have the wrong idea of what "tough" is.

Tough is growing up with Greg Scarpa SR for a father, tough is surviving the WORST prison in the United States on lockdown 23 hours a day and not having contact with other inmates....ever. Tough is beating the shit out of the sitting boss of one of the five families even though you know the consequences it will probably bring.

Tought is not winning every fight you get into, thats skill. Tough is not shooting someone in the face for stealing 5 bucks off you, thats being a physcopath. Tough is not having "20 inch pythons" brother, thats Hulk Hogan.

So you tell me now, what makes you think Greg Scarpa does NOT belong on this list....

Ill wait....

http://breakshotblog.blogspot.com/

that doesnt have all the posts he had a site for his book thats wasnt blogspot and that went down after a while guess he wasnt making enough cash to justify paying to keep the site up

I dont get it, someone help me. Didnt Kenji Gallo Flip? Hes a self proclaimed informant on that site and yet all he does is shit out of his mouth about other informants. Hello Pot, I am kettle, nice tits.

I mean really? is this guy really this egotistical? or just that dumb?

You're absolutely correct. I think a lot of people in here have no idea what the definition of tough is. It seems as if many think tough means psychotic or nasty.

Yup, which is why I gave two lists - balls and brawn. In my book, tough is doing something knowing you might get your ass kicked, or worse, and doing it anyway. When I was younger and being trained for boxing, my trainer told me to lose any fear and that would make me tougher. He was right. (Unfortunately, my jaw and hand speed did not match that mental toughness).

For example, Galante grabbing the phone in prison from the black and using a racial slur in the process or just announcing himslef as Boss of the Bonannos and plans to take over the Commission. The fact that he was a psychopath is perhaps what gave him such a huge sack.

Tough also includes those with less of a sack, but had the brawn or skill to kick some ass. I put Tommy Pitera on the top of my brawn list because of his karate skill and general fitness level. The fact that he is a psychopath may have contributed to his need for self defense skill, but is more likely due to his high pitched voice and teasing as a kid.

Kenji Gallo, in my humble opinion, is a nobody who tried to become a somebody, even if it meant biting the hand that fed him. Now, he wants everyone to know how tough he is/was by representing himself as more than a low-level wannabe/never-was. I think the media used him for that tv special on the discovery channel and he's trying to make a cottage industry from that spotlight. But the only person who talks about Kenji is Kenji, his fifteen minutes are over.

Kenji used to post over on the Real Deal fairly regularly. If he was content to just tell his story and leave it at that, that would be one thing. But he brags about leaving the life, and yet, he can't leave it alone. Endless rants about the Persicos, about how the mob is dead, about how he was an elite criminal that moved in various circles and then left the life on his own terms, etc. After a while it gets old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MNLvRI5vp0&feature=player_embedded#at=41

"I`m a gangster but nobody knows" No you`re a Rat

Yep. Which is exactly why I did not put the Roy Demos and Tommy Pitera's on this list. Those guys operate out of fear. They bully people into fearing them because they are physcopath's. Thats not tough.

My guess is there are more "bully's" and Physopaths in LCN than there are tough guys. I can only guess since I live in middle america and have never met a wiseguy but it seems that way.

If everything I have read and watched over the years holds true the LCN is nothing more than a shit load of Itilian physcopaths and bullies using fear to get what they want. Take away their guns, soldiers, knives and reputations and only then will you see that the Greg Scarpa JR's of that life are the tough ones.

If we're talking about Physical toughness here......

Tommy Pitera
Tommy Billotti was a bad ass by all accounts (perhaps thats why Paul kept him so close?)
Eddie Cumminskey (he was with Jimmy Coonan)

kenji i think is that dumb. he's the worst of the worst. he had no charges against him heard some FBI tapes that members of the colombos were gonna kill him so he wore a wire for 8 yrs

i did not say that he didn't belong on the list. i just said that i would like to hear your reasoning of why you placed him there. you made some very valid points. good job.

LMAO yah according to him he beat up 65 year old Vic Amuso. Too bad no one else backs up that story. And even if it were true since when does beating up senior citizens make someone tough? I bet you believe The Ice man about his claim that he killed Hoffa. After all if someone says it, it must be the truth.


And why doesn't Scarpa Jr belong on the list you ask? How about every time he got himself into trouble he ran to his daddy for help. Couldn't handle anything on his own.

FBI and district attorneys are lazy as hell, can't make cases unless they have cooperators and lord forbid they don't go into a trial without an informant, might actually lose and ruin their "reputation".

uh oh someone's thinking what i was thinking! vic is pretty old.....i was gonna give this one to ol jvanley but i dunno!

The colombos were so pathetic that a guy like Kenji could actually be close with the Persicos

Yah but as far as seniors go Vic could hold his own and I heard he has a pretty good left hook! It takes a real bad ass to throw down with a guy in his mid 60's. ( sarcasm)

i believe kenji claims that he never meant to get teddy p involved in those wire taps but teddy would just never shutup when he was around kenji *rolls eyes*

It is very obvious that myself, you and PhatMatress have completely different thoughts of what a "tough mother fucker" is and thats ok. It is painfully obvious that the extensiveness of your "toughness" within yourself does not go beyond your keyboard. Basically, you have no idea what your talking about. Go back and look at my original post, as I said being tough is not winning every fight you get into, thats skill. In fact, Mike Tyson said he lost 60 percent of the street fights he got into outside the ring because they guys he was fighting were AND I QUOTE "much tougher in all areas than I was, I was really just a pathetic scared person out of the ring" but yet when he got into the ring he killed people, again my friend THAT IS SKILL.

What I am saying this: Never once did I say that we was tough simply because he beat the shit out of Vic Amuso, I said he beat the shit out of Vic Amuso fully knowing the consequences that it could bring, like death, and he did it anyway. Beating up a 65 year old man does not make you tough, you are correct. Beating up a 65 year old man who happens to be the sitting boss of the Lucchesse Crime Family in jail, well in my opinion, fuck ya thats tough.

Why people will think that being tough is winning fights I will never know. Being tough is getting your ASS WHIPPED OVER AND OVER and still stepping up to the plate. Something you have obviously not done in your life, that is NOT in any way a personal shot at you. I just know that if you have been where a "tough mother fucker" has been, gone through the things a "tough mother fucker" has gone through and got your ASS WHIPPED like a "tough mother fucker" has then you would know what I am talking about.

It's obvious that there's no definitive definition for "toughness". You can interpretate it in you're own way and that's what this topic is all about. Not about the interpretation of just one invididual.

You forgot one.........

The working man. It don't take much strength to pull the trigger of a gun but let's see one of these guys try and get up every morning day after day and work for a livin, let's see one of them try that. Then we'll see who's the real tough guy, the working man is the tough guy.

Scarpa was kept in solitary confinement and had security up the ass. He new there was about a 0% chance of Amuso's people or anyone for that matter being able to reach him for repercussions. That is if this even actually happened and Scarpa JR did in fact swing at Amuso which I highly doubt as no one else supports his claims and if this happened we would have heard about it just like we heard about Gotti getting punched and Carmine Persico getting orange juice or something thrown in his face.

Now onto what "toughness" actually means. I believe most people would not describe someone as being tough unless they have a certain amount of skills. Being a punching bag does not make someone "tough" IMHO. To me being tough means being able to dish it out and take it EQUALLY. I have a wrestling background and MMA background ( 2 fights as a pro baby whoooo!!!) and when describing someone who gets his ass kicked and keeps coming back the word I would use is "heart".

For the record I do not think I am some bad ass fighter, and have only been in a hand full of street fights in my younger years and they were usually with bouncers. I have never and will never wear a TapOut shirt nor will I ever put a TapOut sticker on my car. I only got into MMA because I was not good enough to make the Canadian Olympic wrestling team and MMA was the only vessel I had to in which I could apply my wrestling skills.

But Chazz Palimentieri said the working man is a sucker. In all seriousness working with some neurotic yupppies and older career minded nutjobs for 9 hours a day is not an ideal life in my opinion and not a measure of toughness, nor is being a gangster. Something in between would be ideal.

ok # 1 buddy you don't know me so don't sit here and yap about my toughness through a keyboard. i don't know you as well so im not going to sit here and take shots as well. but i will tell you ive lived more of my street life. done the whole guns, fighting, fighting cops, get tasered, gettin my ass beat, beating ass, selling heroin, going to prison, goin to the hole, all kinds of shit. does that make me tough no? do i deserve more respect than to be called a tough guy with a keyboard yes.

#2 mike tyson was a street thug out of the ring. so i dunno what thats all about.

#3 ask how any luchesse guys if they give 2 shits about vic amuso. hes boss in name only. just like persico.

This is one of my favorite movies. And I agree with you. It's much easier to steal than it is to work for something.

No, no that's not true. Kenji never ever gave a fuck about Teddy Persico. The feds wanted this guy bad and Kenji really went out of his way to entrap this guy. When Teddy got released in '04, Kenji was put in charge of supplying Teddy with a pornstar. He also had a cellphone for him and the first thing Kenji did before that cellphone reached Teddy was to take it to the feds. That phone recorded everything. Not only phone calls.

ohhh i know he didnt! but he claimed in one of his posts over the real deal that he did lol. then he would turn around and MF teddy. shows how cheap teddy is that he wouldnt just go out and get his own cell phone and get his pornstar....he could have afforded both!

I'm just going by what he said in that book and that documentary on youtube, but yeah, this guy talks a lot of bullshit on line as well. It's never easy to know what the truth is when you're dealing with people like that. Personally, I think Kenji only cares about Kenji. They didn't even have to indict this guy to get him to rat.

In no particular order ,

Carmine Persico - obvious one: spent half his childhood/teenage years in fights and shootouts, spent half his adult life in the can. been able to maintain control over the colombos through it all. plus if half the shit they say is true, him spitting out bullets and all that... well...

Nicky Corozzo - Went away on a pair of murders he (allegedly) had nothing to do with so a bunch of guys could stay out or cop to light plea deals. Plus since he's so short im guessing he could scrap in his younger years

Scarpa Sr. - mean son of a bitch, probably borderline psychopathic

Tony Frederici (sp) - dunno much about the guy but you dont get the nickname Tough Tony for nothin

Basciano - powerhouse on the street, been getting shitted on for the better half of a decade by the government/prison system. what hes been through would break or drive someone to suicide. and through it all he still looks like hes 35

I think the G-man had it in for anyone who was at The Infamous Bono Wedding and Basciano was the last on the list although I think he was there like Paulie was at the Corleane wedding 'Paulie More Wine!"

Is that true about Baciano being last on the list? Poor Vinny. Well at least he got invited. I wonder if he was even made at that time.

Agreed - Amuso and Persico are Boss in name only. Most Lucchese guys respect Amuso for doing his time, but do not give a shit about him. Most would like to take a shit on Gas for ratting. And being a bad rat. Oh and he killed / had killed a bunch of them.

Hey guys, I just found this site, and I like it a lot. I've been reading up on the Cosa Nostra in the United States for the last year or so, and I'm ready to discuss my overall impressions with some experts.

As far as toughness, here's the list that I had in mind before I found this thread. Keep in mind that I don't know a lot about many of the lower lever mafia players, so my selection is pretty much limited to the various bosses.

1. Vito Genovese
2. Carmine Galante
3. Albert Anastasia

I am very curious why nobody in this thread has mentioned Genovese. His reputation for brutality among guys of his generation was rivaled only by Anastasia. Lucky Luciano once called him "the world's greatest hitman." And I read the earlier discussion about toughness vs just being a mean bastard, and while I agree that there is a difference, I think that if you are a mean bastard who has made it to the top of the mob, you're probably pretty tough. All three of the guys on this list are psychopaths, and violent psychopaths are some of the toughest guys out there (unfortunately).

Other factors that I believe contribute to Vito's toughness include the following (please correct me if I'm wrong):
-He immigrated to the United States when he was a teenager, with no family or support
-He was on the team that assassinated Joe the Boss, which would take massive balls
-When he fled to Italy for ten years, he basically pulled together a huge black market organization from scratch, and managed to play both sides of the war against each other (you gotta be tough to successfully deal with the Fascists and the US Army)
-When he was sent away to prison as an old man, he didn't say shit (I'm looking at you Joey Massino!)

Some of you guys seem more well-read on the Mafia than I am, so I'm wondering what you think about my view of Don Vittono.

Coincidentally I made a screenshot of Genovese's FBI file which is shown in the documentary Crime Inc.

(right-click on the pic to see it enlarged)

Welcome aboard....your position is compelling. I rarely think of the young mean Vito. I always think of the old man with glasses who had others do his murdering for him.

Don't forget he had a man murdered so he could marry his wife (Anna was her name I believe). Anna eventually ratted Vito out and he did nothing to her that we know about. He loses toughness points in my book for that. Compare that to Mad Sam DeStefano who made his wife have sex with a random black dude off the street once when she pissed him off.

Imo, this has nothing to do with "toughness". From such a perspective, every lunatic would be tough...

Gotta go with Carlo Gambino.......The guy could bench three plates and squat a volkswagen.....Not bad for a short, wispy squirrely looking man with a big nose!

I don't think I'd like to fight John Gotti Sr. Too many stories/accounts of him being a very brutal, violent, physical guy. As he got older, he put on weight and was built like a sanitation truck.

I hear you Sonny....and I agree, any man who beats a woman is coward. But to whack a woman you love, because she ratted on you, does that qualify as tough? I do not know how to answer it because I cannot even conceive of it!

This is a weird area of toughness, but because we are talking about a wife, a woman, it changes perspective.

WHAT?!@?!?!!?!?!?!? come back in from left field buddy

Instead of Chuck Norris facts, we can do Carlo Gambino facts.
I'll start. When Don Carlo stares at the sun, it goes blind. Don Carlo can cut through a hot knife with butter. Don Carlo finished the Neverending Story. Carlo Gambino is the reason why Waldo is hiding. Etc Etc

please don't..............

Don Carlo . Fuck him! Do Sonny Franzese.

Sonny Franzese is so tough, he prefers doing time inside a piranha tank without oxygen.

Sonny Franzese is so tough, he once shot himself five times in the chest to level the playing field during a war with Albert Anastasia.

Sonny Franzese is so tough, he regularly complains about improving conditions while doing fifty years in solitary confinement.

and finally...
Sonny Franzese is so tough, he once raped Carlo Gambino in front of the commission.

Vito Arena (DeMeo crew) was a stocky guy who could handle himself................and he would want to rape some guy if he got the chance!

LOL

1.roy demeo
2.carmine galante
3.albert anastasia
4.crazy joe
5.tony mirra

sorry i mean this guy

i read it was because he was claustrophobic if im talking about the same guy

Thomas 'The Chinaman' Sinito. His matter of fact approach to murder really scares me. It's when guys have the attitude that somewhere down the line, their friends might be informants that really scares me. His decision to murder David Perrier is really terrifying, and he exhibited Gravano-like behavior, lying about his worker's misdeeds to have hits placed out on them and take over more and more of the underworld.

After years of research I've concluded Fiore 'Fifi' Buccieri was the most terrifying of the terrifying outfit guys. He choked Tony Spilotro half to death with his bare hands and had a weird fetish for torture with a cattle prod.

I think just going with the contemporaries... Persico, Amuso, Franzese... these men have not wavered from the life they chose... steely in their convictions...

Old days... Genovese, Gambino, Galante, Anastasia... must be something with the "Gs"..

There's no need to go on too much here - from the guys we normally here about (I'm sure there are worse though!) it was Galante or Genovese.

Obviously many interpretations of tough, but I'd say:

1- Frank Calabrese, Sr
2- Roy DeMeo
3- Greg Scarpa
4- Sam Gravano
5- Lord High Executioner (for good measure)


Roy was known as a burly tough guy that was good with his hands, even if he only used his trigger finger and bone saws most of the time...

Also, I believe it was Nino Gaggi that got punched, not Roy. Nino was definitely not a street fighter type.

Galante and Gotti. Both were tough on streets, and both did a lot of prison time.
John "Sonny" Franzese would fit in that category also.

frank salemmi and his kid killed a club owner together, is that a first father and son just wacking some bum? they were both made guys the owner of a club held out on money. when salemmi fliped he forgot to tell the feds and they gave him 5 more yrs. i think conelly might not be guilty he got railroaded whitey might save his ass.but he's still a shitbag.

I cant belive nobody mentioned Tony Spilotro or Milwaukee Phil

Do you think Milwaukee Phil was tougher than Chuckie Nicoletti? I always pictured him being a true sociopath but a lot of people say Phil takes the cake.

The definition of tough guy from the Free Dictionary:

Noun 1. tough guy - someone who bullies weaker people

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bully, hooligan, roughneck, rowdy, ruffian, yob, yobbo, yobo, tough - a cruel and brutal fellow

Ted, Teddy boy - a tough youth of 1950's and 1960's wearing Edwardian style clothes

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/tough+guy

what is the infamous Bono wedding?

I think Bono was a banker of some sort who was involved with the Sicilian faction of the Bonanno Family. At his wedding in New York in 1981, many Bonanno mobsters showed up. And they were all taking pictures. When the FBI and FBN started to investigate the Pizza Connection, they used these pictures to identify the players.
Salvatore Catalano, who was the top dog, was in Sicily at the time and didn´t attend the wedding. For a moment (without even knowing it I guess) he managed to escape under the radar. But in the end they were all caught anyway.
Basciano was there, Giaccone, Trinchera and many others who associated with the Sicilians were there. Bonventre, Amato, the Montreal crew...
The pictures connected them to eachother.

Here is the aforementioned picture, you see a few Bonanno heavyweights including a young Basciano

Yes. For the record, the males depicted are (standing from left to right):
Trinchera´s brother (can´t remember his name right now), Basciano and Philip Giaccone.
Seated (from left to right):
Joseph Benanti, Dom Trinchera, "JB" Indelicato, Frank Lino and Anthony Bruno Indelicato.
These guys were top members of a faction within the Bonanno Family and the Sicilians were alligned with them and they all made tons of money with the heroin. Later on, the Sicilans switched sides and supported boss Philip Rastelli in the conflict with the three Bonanno captains. (Trinchera, Giaccone and Sonny Red.)

Basciano wasn´t made at the time and I believe Trinchera´s brother was never made.

1. Sal Graffignino
2. Eddie Cummiskey
3. Bobby Ramirez aka 'Spanish Red'
4. Tommy Pappadia
5. Anthony Baratta

What are some of Baratta's exploits?

Baratta is currently in a halfway house and gets out Sept 25th.

You know what a chainsaw is? So does he...

JIGGS

Why nobody mentions Sicilian Mafia guys who are much more tougher than americans...

Why, is the water in Sicily different?

In general the Sicilians have a higher body count than he Americans but that can be explained by two things:
-LE always was and always will be better in the US
-there are a hell of alot more mafiosi in Sicily(and Italy in general) than the US so just by pure numbers the body counts are going to be higher.

When you reach a certain level(multiple homicides, chopping bodies, torture etc.) the numbers don't really matter. Do you think a guy who did 50 murders is twice as tough as someone who did "only" 25?

Bugsy all the way

I agree with Tyler Durden.

Depends on your definition of tough. If you're looking at purely wanton disregard for human life and devoid of all human decency, I guess Sicilians may take it. So could random street toughs in Detroit and Chicago.
But personally, I think there are plenty of cowards who can pull a trigger.
Don't get me wrong, I know we are talking about mafiosi so moral bankruptcy is essentially a given, but when we are talking about tough, I vote for Danny The Irishman Greene

Simply because most people on here don't know any, and the ones they do know are the ones whose names have been repeated endlessly, ie Provenzano, Riina.

In South Phila I'd give props to Joe Stafa for getting shot in the face and opening a pizza shop lol

I was reading about Carlos Marcello today. He and his brother walked 3 days through the jungle with no water when deported to Guatemala, then he threatened to kill the president on tape. He also beat a guy to death and buried him in the backyard of one of his houses. Punched an FBI agent for sleeping with his brother's wife as well. Not the toughest motherfucker out there, but not bad for a mafioso elder statesman.

I think Galante might actually deserve the overall title.

o lord your over here now too......

Well whaddaya know? If it isn't the DPG. How's ya balls?

ps-I thought you was an atheist?...

Is this who I think it is?...

Salve Signora Tagliafaccia! Come sta? Vi ricordate di JIGGS?...

JIGGS

Ciao Sr. Jiggsy. Si Si, iu ricordi.

The ice man
If you saw him you would walk across the street just stay away from him pure killer and tough as nails just did not care about who or where if you had him looking for you it was a better idea to vacate then try to shoot it out with him

You're joking, right?

[quote=BarrettM]I was reading about Carlos Marcello today. He and his brother walked 3 days through the jungle with no water when deported to Guatemala, then he threatened to kill the president on tape. He also beat a guy to death and buried him in the backyard of one of his houses. Punched an FBI agent for sleeping with his brother's wife as well. Not the toughest motherfucker out there, but not bad for a mafioso elder statesman.

I think Galante might actually deserve the overall title. [/quote
I remember them mentioning him being deported in the mobsters episode...What book are you reading>?

Could somebody provide more details please? What was the evidence against Corozzo and why is he thought to not being involved in these particular murders?

no,but hes right. nicky took 'one for the team'.

The toughest motherf***er is likely to be some guy nobody has ever heard of. It's usually the guys with a little bit of everything that make it to the top; the toughest guy is probably someone who was exceptionally tough but lacking in other key areas which would have prevented his rise to the top, so to speak!

Carmine Galante. Everybody feared him.

was it the boot who had a furnace in his basement he liked to feed guys into?

toughest? oneil,mickey p.,j.bull, the horse,the carnegs,punchy,gaspipe,pitera,big joe,joe yack,jerry lang, wild bill,paulie zac, paul vario,louie ha,tony green,allie m, 'lady' santoro,angelo d, rocco dallesso,of coarse scarpa,allie p,joel waverly,the little guy,joe watts,jackie d, t.g.,joe butch,big dom,sally 'vaughn', tommy shots,greg depalma,piney,'monk','the hat',...'big e',jerry chilli,.......thats just brooklyn guys.lol.

asking me to put them in order?couldnt do it.

and gravano couldnt hold any of those guys jock straps.

Who is "The Boot", sit?

richie biordia. [total guess on the last name]. jersey guy with the westside crew.

definatly badr hari. not a traditional gangster, he's a k-1 kickboxer with extensive connections in the dutch underworld to some of the bigtime players. cocaine trafficking, extortions, and multiple assaults are just a few of the things he's been involved with. video is best watched on mute

T.g.?? Are you referring to graziano? If you're not sorry for the lack of knowledge.. And just wondering.. When you say "tough" are we talking guys who have good hands and won't hesitate to actually fight someone? Or are we talking just crazy fucks who will murder you? I know there's tons of muderers in the life.. I've always been more interested in who the guys were who were street fight tough.

dsbaloo, i mean 'gangsters' who are tough. if i was to just say 'tough' guys in general...id be typing all night. some guys [junior gotti for example] are big, toned, juiced up, and there only tough with a crew or a name behind them.or stripes on there sleeves. or [worse] with 'whiskey muscles'. a real tough guy stands his ground, whether hes going to get his ass beat or not. ive never been able to say ive accomplished much in my life but ive stood my ground when i 'needed to'.

No no. I was asking about mob guys who were tough not regular civilians.. Sorry if my post didn't make sense. What I meant to ask was is that list you named of people.. Were you referring to all of them as physically tough guys? Or more a list of guys you didn't want to fuck with cause they would kill you. Hope that makes sense. Glad to have your knowledge on here.. And were you referring to anthony graziano when you wrote t.g.?

yeah. basically there tough guys who even if they were some blonde haired surfer in hawaii,you still wouldnt mess with. the kind of guy who will beat your ass in ny or on a cruiseship where no one knows him. and yeah,tony graziano.the kind of guy who would throw your ass off that cruise ship and throw you a cinder block.lol.

Chuck Norris

[quote=sitonmyface11]yeah. basically there tough guys who even if they were some blonde haired surfer in hawaii,you still wouldnt mess with. the kind of guy who will beat your ass in ny or on a cruiseship where no one knows him. and yeah,tony graziano.the kind of guy who would throw your ass off that cruise ship and throw you a cinder block.lol.[/quote

Lol that's funny.. Damn I never knew t.g. Was a fierce guy. He lives in s.I. Right? But is all his activity in brooklyn still?Wouldn't tell by looking at him, but that being said looks are decieving with all these guys. Crazy fucks. I wonder how many made guys are the completel opposite if they're are any. Any non confrotational guys who just are accepted because they're big earners.

tg 'belongs' in brooklyn,but yeah he lives in s.i. hes made a lot over the years. son in law has maybe the biggest book on the island.

and money over violence is more of 'the norm' now. a lot of kids who arent capable at all getting they buttons.

Yeah seems like now more than ever its about money.. His son in law..his other daughters husband? Not rene Obviously not big bad junior pagan? Can't believe he flipped on his t.g.

Thats funny I never knew that Renee's sister was involved with the show till a few months ago I'm sure t.g. demands a piece of the pie! While sitting on his fat ass in prison.

Hahahaha right? Yeah I didn't know she was either until I read some blog and I guess she's like the fucking creator of the show. No matter how bad t.g despises the show you know once he saw the ratings he was asking both those bitches for a chunk. Who knows, with how bad things are going he might be a star on mobwives season 9 once he's out of prison.

It wouldn't surprise me if the whole family did a cooking show and had a contest whos grandmudda had the best gravy recipte

surprise me if the whole family did a cooking show and had a contest whos grandmudda had the best gravy recipte [/quote]

Maybe massino can make a guest appearance and use all that dandriff he's been saving on the shoulders of his velour track jacket he's worn in court for the last 2 years, use it at some parmesan cheese to top t.g.s cocaine casserole.

When TG gets out whoever picks him up will probably be wired for sound and he'll be right back in

Danny Greene for sure.I don't know much about Ohio or how loose his flaps were to the Feds or whatever but if Don King says he was good enough to step in the ring that's good enough for me.

Plus, he's being shot at and instead of running for cover he runs straight at the guy?

Same kind of thing with this fella who Joe Sullivan was sent to scrub and came back at him frothing just like the mad dog himself. Forget his name. Takes some balls to do that. That guy must have been tough.

Teddy Roe telling the Outfit to go fuck themselves when they was at their peak. Would rather get popped than sell out his own neighborhood. You have to respect guys like that.

Kind of like teddy persico jr