Post a Mobsters grave

In another thread I made referance to the time that Carmine Galante blew the doors of the Crypt/tomb of Frank Costello.

Just for fun - post a picture of a mobster grave/resting place here

Don Carlo
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=5826&PIpi=82544

Dellacroce
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=8733&PIpi=19214296

Tommy Bilotti
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=5907&PIpi=82753

Demeo - this is a creepy one!
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=7067205&PIpi=383343

Tony Spilotro
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=6900535&PIpi=1056221

Joe Colombo
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=5906&PIpi=19214156

What kind of a sick maniac would lay flowers and wreaths on Roy DeMeo's grave.

His son Albert

Well, Albert needs to understand that it's okay to disown your father if his name is Roy DeMeo or Adolf Hitler.

If I was Albert I would lay flowers on his grave.
By all accounts, DeMeo was a good father and to be fair to Albert he will always see Roy as has Dad before he see's him as a mob killer.

Just my 2 cents worth

If my father was a serial killer, I'd shit on his grave. I'd hope the worms eat his eyes out. My 2 cents.

We sure have a different view of family. My father is my father; regardless of what he did to others I'd still honor him for that.

Here's your change:

Father is a father, but if he breakes every rule God made. You can disown him...

One of God's most sacred rules is to honor your father and mother.

Oh really. Even if he was Adolf Hitler or Josef Fritzl?

There's an exception for bad Austrian dudes.

True but only when they both are in the path of God, not if they are far from home.

What Bible are you reading?? The holy law is that you should honor your parents EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT HONORABLE.

I'm glad I don't read the bible .

But SC, you never did answer my question. Would you respect your father if your father was Joseph Fritzl or Adolf Hitler? You know how I love your answers.

I dont read the bible, i mean from the Qoran. I am a muslim remember

I didn't know that. I cannot argue the point since I am not familiar with the Quran.

Well it makes a good mix here on the forums, since i must be the only one here. Feel free to ask any questions.

Absolutely makes the boards better, but we have other Muslim members, too.

Ok, time for a little lesson and then lets drop this conversation and go back to the original topic.


1. The Bible has no "RULES". It has the 10 Commandments.
2. God gives us or own free will and choice, regardless of the 10 commandments. YOU WILL NOT GO TO HELL IF YOU BREAK EVERY COMMANDMENT TEN TIMES OVER.
3. You will not go to hell if you disown your own father. Regardless if he was the best or worst father in the world.

Ok listen and listen good and then lets drop this.....

You can kill 50 people, disown your father, break the commandments, dig up your father, shit on his face and then disown him again, it doesnt matter.

If you REPENT and live the life of a person whom puts God BEFORE anything else, he will forgive you for shitting on your father face after you dug him up:) period. Its about repenting, and putting him above and before everything else.

Now, next topic: Shitting on Roy Demeos grave....Vinny G, I fucking cracked up when you said "what kind of sick maniac would put flowers on his grave"

So if Hitler repented and put God first, he'd be in heaven and live forever with Jesus and the angels? But the Jews who died with hate in their hearts as they were being gassed alive will burn forever in hell? I just wanna make sure I understand this. Heaven, hell, love, hate, black, white, yes or no. That's the pattern right? I don't know, but I personally could not serve anyone that simple minded. What about people who are born deaf and blind, or people who've never heard of The Bible. The majority of China doesn't buy into any of this. Hell is gonna be fucking packed .



How does it make the boards better? I got Muslim friends, but how did you come to this conclusion? I'd love to hear this.

The bible is nothing more than a book of prophets who put words onto paper. The bible is a "manuscript" or a "guideline" for Christians and how to live their life. It is the same thing as a text book or a book a Doctor would read to become a better Doctor. A Suggestive outline and guideline on how to worship and build your faith in God. It is also a history lesson as well.

Basically, you do not have to read the bible to have a cleansed heart and mind and repent for your sins.

And Vinny G, there is only ONE sin that is considered "damnnation" if you will or "unforgiveable" and that is Blasphemy. Choosing to believe that God is not real and that his son Jesus Christ did not die on the cross. It is said that is the only sin, Hitler, Demeo or otherwise, that God will not forgive and allow you to walk in his kingdom of heaven.

Now, its pretty black and white, either you believe in God and what he does or you dont. doesnt mean you are a bad guy either way. Believers like myself think that the non believers will not walk in Gods kingdom when he returns.

Key word in all this Vinny, Believe. Which suggests to some people that religion is nothing more than a theory. I happen to be a believer in Christ and gods kingdom. Some dont, doesnt mean they are right or I am right.

I dont want to get into a Dick measuring contest over what who thinks about God,For one, I will win and for two, I happen to laugh my ass off at your posts and enjoy you on this board a HELL (haha) of alot. So lets end this subject now and go back to pissing on Demeos grave please

Let me tell you guys a secret: God doesn't exist.

How can anyone win such a debate? We are debating something you can't even prove the existence of. I'm not gonna get into a much deeper discussion, but you talk about believing or not believing, like there are never any gray areas. What about doubt? What about people who don't know? The only thing I know is that I don't know anything and you seem to be claiming to know something that you as a human being, with the same senses I have, possibly couldn't know.



Funny thing about most atheists is they have the same problem as most believers have. They claim to know something they possibly can't know. There is no way for you to disprove God's existence. The same way you can't disprove the existence of vampires or little green men with laser beams shooting out of their eyes. Or the tooth fairy. I think you know where I'm going with this.

Let's speak hypothetically here. If "God", the creator of everything etc. etc. etc., think's in such a simplistic way, he is not God.

Something that always bothers me about religionists is that they truly believe that such an great force (if it happens to exist) would think like us humans.

I myself happen to believe that a supernatural force could exist, after all, who am I to know it doens't exist. I'm a simple human being like we are all. But I dissociate from religion for the reasons I just mentioned. Although I do enjoy all those stories just as I enjoy Lord of the Rings.

Btw, it's almost hilarious that a thread about mobsters' graves turns out to be a discussion about religion.

The funny things about most religionists is that they take things too serious. What happened to "smileys"?

And I don't consider myself to be an atheist. More like an agnosticist.

I'm not a religionist. I do consider myself an atheist, a devout atheist if you will. I hate that word agnostic, I don't even know why they invented that word. Being atheistic doesn't mean you reject the possibility of God's existence. It simply means you are skeptical of supernatural claims. I belong to the same group, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins belong to, which is often referred to as the New Atheism movement. We want to raise consciousness, teach people how to be critical thinkers and not be afraid to challenge religion and it's preachers. There is nothing wrong with asking questions.

That sums it up right there. You couldnt be more correct. Infact, some of the people who are in my bible study group now got there because they had doubts, asked questions, got some facts and here they are.

As far at the existence of God, well no one can actually prove the existence of God, but Jesus Christ, yes, that has been proven time and time again that he walked the earth.

Now here is where Vinny's thinking comes in. Even though it is historical factual and proven without any doubts that a man named Jesus Christ at one point walked the earth and did infact die on a cross, it is the questions to some as to what he really was.

some people believe that he was just a normal man like Vinny and I, born, walked the earth and got nailed to a cross and died. We as christians believe he is the son of God and he died with our sins and sacrificed his life for ours.

Again, those facts are proven, Jesus lived,walked the earth and told his followers he was sacrficing himself for us and was nailed to a cross and died. It is what you believe that Jesus really was is the thing. Was he just a man? or was he infact what he says he was. Like I said, Christians believe whole heartedly that he is the son of God and died for us, others dont and that is their right.

As a matter of fact there ARE doubts in the hystorical community that Jesus Christ ever existed. There isn't any convincing evidence that "proves" he walked the earth. The only historians that provided evidence that he existed were devotedly Christians themselves.

Ok this is getting out of hand, lets just end this now. This has gone to an opinion orientated discussion to you trying to thwart and alter historical facts.

You are trying so strongly to prove your OPINIONATED logic that you are now categorizing historians into religious segmented groups. What you are basically saying is this:

There are Muslim historians
There are Jewish historians
There are Catholic historians
There are Christian historians

And EVERYTHING they have FACTUALLY proven can logically be doubted because of their religion.

Give me a break, lets just end this now. This went from a great opinionated conversation to someone trying to say that that proven facts are in fact not so because some of the men that PROVED the facts happened to be in a religious category of "christians"

So I guess what we will have to do is pre screen all historians and do a full background check. If they are researching a fact about lets say, cheese, then they CANNOT happen to like cheese because their HISTORICAL PROVEN FACT can now be questioned because they ate a fucking piece of cheese the day before.

I have been very candid saying no one is right or wrong and these were only my beliefs as a christian. Now Sonny is taking this one step to far.

Look, if you dont believe in God, fine, done believe. But dont try to go so fucking far with your OPINION that you do what you just did.

I wouldnt care if this were about God or a steaming turd. When you are having an opinionated conversation and someone tries to alter historical facts to sway popular opinion and vote their way they are extremely insecure or just arrogant. You have to have that feeling of " I am right" in order to feel good.

I will bet Sonny people that know you do not like talking to you about topics, I.E. the Mafia, religion, food, construction, anything, because no matter if they walk you outside and have you look up, you still wont say the sky is blue.

So to end this, I will give you what you need, You are right, I am wrong.

OUT

This IS getting out of hand. Debate your ideas; don't make any personal attacks.

Religion and politics often bring out deep-seated passions. Try to respect the other person's beliefs, but if you can't, don't flame him/her.

Changed. When I am wrong, I am wrong. you are correct and Sonny, I am sorry I made that personal attack, I really am.

I applaud Sonny for going forward with that one and I think he's absolutely right. I have yet to see any convincing evidence that Jesus even existed. There certainly have been many things written about him, but since when do writings prove an existence? Are there any photographs or audio recordings available? What about video footage, DNA evidence, a body? Yeah, there isn't even a body. Now if Jesus is God and he wants everyone to follow him and believe in him, why make it so difficult? God is almighty? If I was God, I'd try to make sure everyone knew I existed. Why go to such great lengths to hide yourself? What a childish behavior. Now people come to me and say 'How could you say such a thing. God is in the flowers, he's in the sun, the beautiful blue sky, the animals, I see God everywhere'. Really? I see nothing but irrational statements and claims that reek more of wishful thinking than anything else. You can not expect to have an intelligent conversation if you're gonna put your faith above logic.

Anyway yeah, here's Joe Adonis.

Everytime you say this you start all over again yourself.



Face it: there are no facts, only "signs". There are no dead remains of Jesus Christ, period.

Just because you really want to believe he existed doesn't give you the right to claim that it's unanimously accepted in the historical community, which it isn't.

You want to say otherwise. Good for you. Provide me with convincing evidence that support you're claim.



To the contrary, it's you who's forcing you're own oppinion with aggressively claiming that it's "without a doubt" and a "fact" that Jesus Christ existed.

And yes, it's mostly Christian historians who claim he existed. That says enough. And once again, there is no irrefutable evidence.



Actually, friend, you're the one who makes a big thing out of this.



No, it's the popular oppinion that Jesus Christ existed, there are no historical "facts". Historical facts means that there is a tomb with remains of Jesus, which there isn't.



Give me a break man... You're making a big joke out of yourself with this bullshit. It really seems that you're the one who's frustrated and is starting a fight over this. I'm not the one saying fuck this and fuck that. It's you.

And to conclude this whole useless discussion which really isn't going anywhere:

I never said Jesus never existed, I only responded to you're claim that it's an historical fact and unanimously accepted. That's all. To be honest, I don't care who's right or wrong in this discussion. Never was I trying to convince people, I was only giving my oppinion. Take it or leave it.

God has done that to everyone, Christians are the only ones who CHOOSE (key word there) to open their eyes and acknowledge his existance. And who every said "God is everywhere, he is in the flowers" is not correct. Gods love and forgiveness is everywhere but not everyone chooses to see it.

Everyone has their own free will, thats exactly the point in faith and trust. Also, how can you expect to have a logical conversation if you put your faith above logic? Easy, for Christians, Faith is logical.

Vinny, these are simply your oppinions and I respect that 100 percent, I really do, same with you Sonny B. What I would not respect is the next time someone close to you is dying, your dying, your in a plane crash and on the way down or someone sticks a barrel in your face and you say "please god help me"

Remember, Black and white....

Jack diNorscio a stand up guy



John Gotti

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=6494241&PIpi=273235

Crazy Joe Gallo

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi...p;GRid=376&

You didn't answer my question. You chose to do that, didn't you. Let's try again. Why would an almighty God hide himself? I know you believe God wants people to believe in him and serve him. Yet, he hides himself. That does nothing but create doubt and confusion. Look at what you got. You got a book, you got several different versions of that book and you got thousands of churches that all have their own special interpretation. If God is so smart, why would he hide himself and create such an extensive room for doubt? Is God a prankster? If what you are saying is the truth, then he most certainly is a prankster and personally, I wouldn't want to worship and serve a prankster. I have a little more respect for myself.



You have chosen to believe and worship something that you can't see, you can't hear and you can't smell. You have chosen to believe and worship something you can't prove or disprove. That is not logical. It is however very logical to be a critical thinker, because you not only keep challenging others, you are constantly challenging yourself. You are giving yourself a chance to progress. How does blind faith help you progress? You have deliberately chosen to weaken yourself. I question everything, I question you, I question myself and I certainly don't claim to know something I can not know with the senses that I have. The very same senses you have!



What?

No hard feelings.

With our senses we observe order in the universe. It's illogical to believe all this order came about randomly. Ironically even crime is organized.

You use the word "logical" alot there Vinny and you are right, I need to be logical. So I tell you what, lets do this. How about we stop this conversation right now ok? you WIN this one, you WIN, period. I accept defeat on this, I will tell everyone I know that I lost a debate on a Mafia forum and I will say I lost fair and square.

I will take my chances over yours when our time comes, and both of our times will come. Logically speaking of course...

Now we're tackling, yet another question. How did life start? How did the universe come about? The answer is we don't know. What is even more illogical than to believe things came about randomly or just happened, is to assume God created it. Because in order for that second premise to work, you have to make sure that premise is real. The first premise is almost as weak, because we know how nature evolves. We know about cause and effect. We know about natural selection. It is very easy to point to some God when you don't know the answer. I see children do this all the time.

By the way, there isn't a single scientist, a respected scientist in the scientific community who believes things just happened. This is the biggest misconception about scientists.

Like I said before, there are no winners in these sort of debates. However, if you insist on crowning me a winner then I will of course accept that with a humble heart. Thank you. I'm honored.

And Yes, I will stop this conversation now.

yay!!!! vinny wins!!!! now lets see if thats easy for the real vinny gorgeous with his upcoming trial

Well, not with that judge he won't.

Watching Find Me Guilty right now. Why Vin Diesel didn't get an Oscar for that performance is beyond me. What an actor. What a talent.

I agree, Vin Diesel deserved the Oscar for that film, I read that even DiNorscio came out of prison, said he liked the movie.

DiNorscio never got to see the movie. He died during the production.

Now that would have been some trick.

Jackie DiNorscio: July 20, 1940 – November 14, 2004

"Find Me Guilty": Released in the U.S. on March 17, 2006

There's an actor in Find Me Guilty whose name is Frank Adonis. Does anyone know if he's related to the you know who?

No relation. "You know who" had one son named Joe who passed away in the early 1990's.

Of course I know. It's so obvious.

and "who" is on first base...

Of course I knew. Joe..Joe Adonis. We grew up.

Cesare "The tall guy" Bonventre

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=8485322&PIpi=816726