More carnage south of the border

Huge stockpiles of automatic weapons. Vehicles that look like Swiss cheese. Severed heads. The usual....

Warning: Not for the faint of heart

http://www.skullcreekmedia.com/Skull_Creek_Media/Shocking_photos_of_Border_Violence.html

omg, this is so bad. It looks more like a civil war.

The media likes to perpetrate the myth guns from the US are fueling the violence in Mexico, which I think is complete bull. With all the drug and political groups in Central and South America, I don't think they would have a hard time finding automatic weapons, and not be dependent on semi autos from the US.

Mexican gangsters are nasty bastards!

A Mexican politician, perhaps the president said that''all the problems of Mexico, resulting from bordering with the world's largest drug addict,''he was referring to the United States, and I think that somehow he's right.

This is a link to the Mexican Drug War from Wikipedia

31,834 people killed untile december 11,2006.This is a real civil war, death to the traffickers of death

sorry, this is the link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War

The problem with Mexico, is Mexicans. If the problem with Mexico was its border with the US, Canada would have the same problems too, as it borders the US too, ergo it doesn't.

Canada is not a thoroughfare for colombian cocaine , if it were easier to get cocaine from Canada to the United States, you'll see how Canada would become similar to Mexico, at least that's what I think.

You couldn't be more wrong, Canada would never be like Mexico. Canada has a strong central state. There is a lot of propaganda out of Mexico, because the Mexican Government would rather nothing more then to dump more unwanted Mexicans into the United States. Mexico is an extremly corrupt country, and has always been that way. Just like the "american guns" are fueling the drug war in Mexico is bullcrap and propaganda, to ban guns in the US.

They are way worse than anyone in the Italian Mafia. These Mexicans have no scruples, honor, code of ethics or anything. It's a free for all over there.

[b]Warning: Not for the faint of heart


Wasn't wrong when they said not for faint hearted!

Brutal scenes, more warzone than organised crime

The Mexican Cartels aren't any different than the Italian Mafias or any organized crime group in the sense of honor, code of ethics etc. in some instances better. All of the people being beheaded or castrated are rivals killing rivals they don't do that to innocent people and it's actually very taboo/frowned upon in the Mexican underworld to hurt innocents in any way. Extortions or and kidnapping for ransom are the worst you can do in Mexican underworld and could/will lead you to your death depending on the state or city you're on. A lot of the people killed in Mexico are cartel enforcers killing each other and their affiliates.

I'm not sure where you get your information but it's wrong. The cartels have killed plenty of innocent people.

For example, Arturo Beltran Leyva gunmen retaliated against a Mexican marines' family, killing his mother, aunt, sister, and severely wounding another sister.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/23/mexican-marines-family-gunned-down

Or how about the U.S. Consulate employee and her husband who were killed by the Juarez cartel while driving with their baby in the back seat?
http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Two-Americans-killed-in-Cuidad-Juarez-Obama-outraged-87617937.html

Or how about the 72 immigrants from South America who were killed by the Zetas?
http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/2...d-by-los-zetas/

Or how about the female newspaper distributor recently killed by an offshoot of the Beltran Leyva cartel?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation...istributor.html


I could go on and on. Yes, there are plenty of independents killing innocents as well but it's not like the cartels are squeaky clean and only kill each other. You need to get your facts right.

Well I would of specified more clearly, the Zetas and their allies the Beltran Leyva group and of course La Linea the armed wing of Juarez Cartel are the ones doing most of these types of things because either they are desperate(Beltran Leyva group which has splintered into smaller factions fighting each other or joining/getting back up from the major cartels), didn't follow the underworld rules from the beginning(Los Zetas) or need some type of income to fund their war against their rivals(La Linea). Yes extortions and kidnapping for ransoms in Mexican underworld is very taboo, that's why when rivals put narco-banners they state they are going to exterminate the larcraZ or scum(with capital Z meaning Zetas) but I never stated they were squeaky clean. Those links were big news in Mexico but they rarely happen and when they do it's big news, most of the innocents killed is because of cross fire not the cartels intentionally killing them. You could also add the 20 people from Michoacan killed because of a mistake. You're just exaggerating stuff honestly and yes a lot/most of the dead are between the cartels.

I don't think I was exaggerating anything. The cartels aren't stupid. They don't go around killing innocents for the hell of it. That just brings more heat. But they will kill anyone, including innocents, if they feel it's necessary. They've done it over and over again. They've killed police, military people, government officials, family members of law enforcement, witnesses, etc.

I thought you meant the cartels were killing a lot of innocents civilians(even family members of police or any government job) which doesn't/rarely happens yes of course a lot of police of all levels, military, and politicians corrupt or not have been killed obviously but a lot of the dead are still criminals killing criminals. Now about the heat thing:some cartels cells just dedicate themselves to bring heat towards a rival plaza so that they confront their rival gunmen if the local/state/federal police(in some places) and politicians corrupt or not can't stop them, if it gets too out of control the state governor or Calderon will have to deploy army troops and federal forces to that area/town/city thus affecting the relationship of the rivals's with the local or state police/ politicians.

Obviously rival cartel members make up most of the 34,000 + killed since this all began back in 2006. Meaning innocents do make up the minority. But over the last 5 years, those numbers have added up.

I should also point out that the cartels have been known to go into their rival's territory and kill innocent people as a way to bring down heat on their enemies.

Again your just exaggeration stuff and blowing it out of porpotion.When a rival cartel cell goes into a rival's territory the first thing they do to attract heat is mainly to kill (or try to convert them to switch sides) "Los de punto" or street dealers(which are also cartel civilian gunmen sometimes) that sell drugs locally for the rival then "Halcones"(they carry guns and are cartel gunmen a lot of the times) or the look outs and finally the police departments or police officers themselves. There has been propaganda videos/banners of the Gulf Cartel(which is famous for) or La Familia saying the Zetas are killing innocents in their area or whatever but there isn't any or many concrete proof that they kill innocent civilians to bring heat to make a viable claim they do.

I'm not sure how me stating facts is exaggerating. The original disagreement was whether the cartels killed innocent people or not. You said they don't. The facts say otherwise. Them being in the minority, including when cartels go into their rival's territory, is beside the point. Them not killing innocents left and right has nothing to do with a code or honor. It's bad for business. But if they see a reason to, they won't think twice.

As I stated kidnapping for ransom and extortion or any form of harming innocent civilians even families of police or politicians is very taboo/frown upon in the Mexican underworld. The breaking of this rule is more or less what sparked the war between the cartels(killing of Barbie's brother by the Zetas and Zetas extorting the civilian population ,"derecho de pizo" quotas on civilians etc. and taking on rival's plazas of course). That's why when cartels put narco-banners they say they are going to exterminate the scum or "lacraZ"(with capital Z to refer to Zetas) anyone that extorts or kidnaps for ransom Zetas or not.

I never said they don't kill innocent civilians which rarely happen (if they do it's big news/big deal) I said they don't behead or butcher innocent people. What I did say is that kidnapping for ransom and extortion (which the Zetas are know for) is frowned upon the Mexican underworld, I'm not saying they don't do it.

Yes, the Zetas as well as La Familia are known for extortion. But no use splitting hairs. They're all part of the Mexican underworld. I will agree that they leave the butchering to their rivals. Obviously for intimidation purposes. Usually little reason to do that to civilians. But that's not out of any kind of moral code on the part of the cartels. For instance, the recent killing by the Sinalo cartel of 28 rival cartel members in Acapulco, including 16 of them beheaded, wasn't because they really cared about the local businesses being extorted. It's simply a tactical ploy to gain loyalty by the people by acting like their protectors.

Yes all of the cartels push their propaganda and ideologies to the local population, rivals and Mexican government but the "bad guys" are the ones that kidnap for ransom and extort well according to the Sinaloa Cartel, Gulf Cartel and ironically La Familia. I never said Zetas weren't part of the Mexican underworld., I just merely stated that often the cartels will use this "protector" ideology to gain the public's trust/loyalty and that some cartels usually call people "lacraZ" or scum to whoever extorts and kidnaps for ransom even though some of them do it themselves.