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25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder

Posted By: goombah

25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/16/10 11:40 PM

On Dec 16, 1985 Gambino boss "Big Paul" Castellano was gunned down by John Gotti's crew. This paved the way for Gotti to take over as Boss of the Gambino Family. Castellano's execution was ingeniously planned, with each of the gunmen wearing identical hats and coats, while Big Paul and his driver, Tommy Bilotti, pulled up to Sparks Steakhouse in Manhattan.
Posted By: VitoC

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 12:06 AM

I visited NYC for Thanksgiving in 2003. I went to Sparks Steakhouse because I knew it was where that assassination took place. It was closed when I got there, but I stood in front of it and had a passerby take my picture.
Posted By: Mooney

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 12:10 AM

Yeah it really was a perfectly orchestrated hit.
Posted By: VitoC

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 12:14 AM

Unfortunately Gotti didn't know his Mafia history, for he repeated Al Capone's experience--be a very public figure, rule for a few years and then be brought down. Both men died under miserable circumstances, also Gotti was the only one in prison.
Posted By: Mukremin

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 12:21 AM

It sure was a sensational hit, not many hits within the mafia go well like the Castellano hit. Most of the times, crews of hitmen roam the city for months before they make an attempt and most times they fail 2-3 times before they succeed.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 12:36 AM

Geez, I can't believe it's been 25 years!

I remember that night well. I was having dinner at The Pine Tavern in the Morris Park section of Bronx, a place that's always been known for some of the, er, characters that dine there (along with many politicians and sports stars). Anyway, the hit was reported on the 6 o'clock news while we were at the bar waiting for a table. The place went silent. To that crowd, it was like hearing the President was shot.
Posted By: Lorenzo

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 12:57 AM

It is amazing that someone can get that popular and loved by so many people and known by even more.
Posted By: JCrusher

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 01:19 AM

I dont think it was a sensational hit. It was a good hit but it was too public. Gravano had a better idea. He said one plan was for them to kill Bilotti at one of their bars or something then frank decicco would call paul and tell him that he would drive him since both were close. This way they could have gotten rid of the bodies and put less heat on their crew.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 01:25 AM

Originally Posted By: JCrusher
I dont think it was a sensational hit. It was a good hit but it was too public. Gravano had a better idea. He said one plan was for them to kill Bilotti at one of their bars or something then frank decicco would call paul and tell him that he would drive him since both were close. This way they could have gotten rid of the bodies and put less heat on their crew.

That sounds about right. It also sums up Gotti in a nutshell. Everything had to be over the top, and boy, did he ever pay the price for it.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 02:06 AM

I read that DiCicco planned and organized the hit. Brilliant touch, using six identically dressed men, each wearing the same hat, using the same caliber gun. Had a bystander gotten a look at one, and came forward to the cops, he/she wouldn't have been able to make a positive i.d., assuming the cops had arrested any or all of the shooters.
Posted By: Mukremin

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 09:52 AM

Well if DiCicco was the actual planner, then it wasnt a failed bomb attempt by the Genoveses.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 11:36 AM



To celebrate the 25 years anniversary of Big Paul's death , posted the photo of sparks steak house, and the execution video from the movie Gotti

Posted By: Mukremin

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 02:30 PM

Nice movie, one of the best mafia movies. But i didnt like the actor playing Big Paul. Chazz Palmintieri was a better actor for Castellano in the movie Boss of Bosses.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 04:46 PM

That actor who played Paul Castellano in 'Gotti' was a terrible choice. Seeing this scene reminds me of that. The same counts for Bilotti, who is portrayed as an older man with "white" hair, while he had black hair the last time I saw him lying dead on the ground.

But Gotti sure was an excellent 'TV movie', with a very enjoyable protagonist; Assante. smile

But now let's also see this scene in Witness to the Mob, with an excellent Paul Castellano played by Salvatore Tess... I mean Abe Vigoda. He is big Paul.

Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 04:57 PM

The library cop from "Seinfeld" as Toddo lol.
Posted By: goombah

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 05:34 PM

There is a multipage account in the book "Gangland" whose primary source was Sammy The Bull.
Many details from Paul fighting the downtown rush hour traffic to Gotti exploding that one of the shooters coats not exactly matching the others.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 07:15 PM

We've discussed it before but why didn't Castellano see it coming? Maybe not those particular events on that particular day but he should have known what was up.

I mean he ordered Ruggiero to turn over tapes and Ruggiero refused. That alone should have been enough to warrrant Ruggiero's execution and/or let Big Paul know he was losing authority. The Boss tells you to do something and you refuse? You negotiate? You ignore?

Seems like Paul should have arranged for Gotti's removal immediately after Dellacroce's death, if not before.
Posted By: goombah

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 07:49 PM

I think a couple of factors, Lilo. One, Big Paul was under indictment himself and probably preoccupied with his own headaches. Second, similar to the GF trilogy, Castellano underestimated Gotti and those who might conspire against him. According to "Gangland," Gotti was livid that Castellano did not attend the funeral of Underboss Neil Dellacroce. It did not go unnoticed by big earners like Gotti, Gravanno, & DeCiccio that Big Paul rarely shared the wealth he was accumulating from his captains and soldiers.

Neil Dellacroce was also helping stonewall Big Paul from getting the Ruggerio tapes in order to protect his protegee, John Gotti. The tapes showed that both Quack Quack Ruggierio and Gotti were dealing heroin against Castellano's strict prohibition.

Lastly I think part of it was Big Paul's arrogance. The Gambino leader was the Boss of Bosses, which was a title highly regarded in Cosa Nostra and not someone to go after on a whim.
Posted By: GerryLang

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 07:54 PM

Was Sammy Gravano a capo, acting capo, or soldier at the time of the hit? I remember in Underboss Sammy met with Tommy Bilotti's brother, and assured him he wouldn't be killed, and told him they had to kill Tommy Bilotti was too loyal to Paul to chance having around. Anyone know what came of Tommy Bilotti's brother, did he say in the life? Underboss said the Bilotti brothers had something like 18 or 19 kids between them, and one of the reasons why the brother wasn't killed.
Posted By: JCrusher

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 07:54 PM

I agree goombah. I think Castellano no doubt thought about and would have liked to kill gotti and angelo but didn't want to bring more heat on himself since he was under indictment. Another factor is that paul didn't have the Demeo crew anymore who were guys he went to when he had problems like the Eppolito's and Frank Amato
Posted By: goombah

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/17/10 11:38 PM

Originally Posted By: GerryLang
Was Sammy Gravano a capo, acting capo, or soldier at the time of the hit? I remember in Underboss Sammy met with Tommy Bilotti's brother, and assured him he wouldn't be killed, and told him they had to kill Tommy Bilotti was too loyal to Paul to chance having around. Anyone know what came of Tommy Bilotti's brother, did he say in the life? Underboss said the Bilotti brothers had something like 18 or 19 kids between them, and one of the reasons why the brother wasn't killed.


From what I have read, Sammy was not a capo when Castellano was whacked. He was part of "The Fist" (with DeCiccio, Fat Ange, and Robert DiBernado) that conspired with John Gotti to kill Big Paul. Once Gotti was elected Boss, Sammy & Fat Ange Ruggerio were promoted to captains.

Not sure about Tommy's brother...
Posted By: Lilo

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/18/10 12:12 AM

Yup. At the time of the event Sammy was acting capo of Aurello's crew.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/18/10 12:19 AM

Originally Posted By: goombah
I think a couple of factors, Lilo. One, Big Paul was under indictment himself and probably preoccupied with his own headaches. Second, similar to the GF trilogy, Castellano underestimated Gotti and those who might conspire against him. According to "Gangland," Gotti was livid that Castellano did not attend the funeral of Underboss Neil Dellacroce. It did not go unnoticed by big earners like Gotti, Gravanno, & DeCiccio that Big Paul rarely shared the wealth he was accumulating from his captains and soldiers.

Neil Dellacroce was also helping stonewall Big Paul from getting the Ruggerio tapes in order to protect his protegee, John Gotti. The tapes showed that both Quack Quack Ruggierio and Gotti were dealing heroin against Castellano's strict prohibition.

Lastly I think part of it was Big Paul's arrogance. The Gambino leader was the Boss of Bosses, which was a title highly regarded in Cosa Nostra and not someone to go after on a whim.


Those are all excellent points, goombah. I guess Paul really was ultimately not that quick when it came to some things. As you say, arrogant. Obviously times change but if he's the boss and gave someone a direct order to give him tapes either he should have had those tapes the next day or someone should have been digging a grave on Arthur Kill Road..
Posted By: Mooney

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/18/10 01:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: goombah
I think a couple of factors, Lilo. One, Big Paul was under indictment himself and probably preoccupied with his own headaches. Second, similar to the GF trilogy, Castellano underestimated Gotti and those who might conspire against him. According to "Gangland," Gotti was livid that Castellano did not attend the funeral of Underboss Neil Dellacroce. It did not go unnoticed by big earners like Gotti, Gravanno, & DeCiccio that Big Paul rarely shared the wealth he was accumulating from his captains and soldiers.

Neil Dellacroce was also helping stonewall Big Paul from getting the Ruggerio tapes in order to protect his protegee, John Gotti. The tapes showed that both Quack Quack Ruggierio and Gotti were dealing heroin against Castellano's strict prohibition.

Lastly I think part of it was Big Paul's arrogance. The Gambino leader was the Boss of Bosses, which was a title highly regarded in Cosa Nostra and not someone to go after on a whim.


Those are all excellent points, goombah. I guess Paul really was ultimately not that quick when it came to some things. As you say, arrogant. Obviously times change but if he's the boss and gave someone a direct order to give him tapes either he should have had those tapes the next day or someone should have been digging a grave on Arthur Kill Road..


It also just proves what a lot of the soliders and capo's said and hated about paul... that he wasn't a gangster...he was a businessman. He didn't have that gangster sixth sense. If he did he might have lived a lot longer...
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/18/10 04:15 AM

Originally Posted By: goombah
Lastly I think part of it was Big Paul's arrogance. The Gambino leader was the Boss of Bosses, which was a title highly regarded in Cosa Nostra and not someone to go after on a whim.


Castellano was certainly a mob "elitist." He was very smart and a savvy businessman but he rode to the top on the coattails of Carlo. So obviously a lot of his guys didn't think he had earned his position. And his relative greediness, as well as doing things like allowing the Genovese Family to kill one of his captains, didn't exactly help either.

But he was never the "Boss of Bosses." There's never really been such a thing in the American LCN. The closest to such a thing would be Salvatore Riina in the Sicilian Mafia back in the 80's and 90's. In the U.S., it's more a case of first among equals. Carlo Gambino was the first among equals for a time. But I'd say Chin rivaled Castellano.

Speaking of whom, Gravano said that Chin would have never allowed the Gambinos to kill one of this captains. It says something about the Gambinos at the time that a blue-collar captain from Queens would be allowed to take over the Family in a hostile takeover. Except for a few guys like Failla and Marino, everyone else fell in line behind Gotti.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/18/10 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Obviously times change but if he's the boss and gave someone a direct order to give him tapes either he should have had those tapes the next day or someone should have been digging a grave on Arthur Kill Road..

Arthur Kill Road, Lilo?

I see that someone in Michigan has been using the Google Map app on his iPhone grin.

Well done!
Posted By: Mukremin

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/18/10 07:13 PM

Sonny, do you know where i can get Witness to the Mob in the netherlands? Dutch subs ofcourse.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/18/10 08:00 PM

Originally Posted By: Mukremin
Sonny, do you know where i can get Witness to the Mob in the netherlands? Dutch subs ofcourse.

It's available in 18 parts on Youtube. No Dutch subtitles, though.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/19/10 06:34 PM

I think there were a series of bad choices. The first was Don Carlo Gambino, he thought, to lead the family, need a Sicilian, chose Castellano, for this reason, and because was also his relative, instead of best Aniello DellaCroce, but it was a Neapolitan. On the death of Gambino, Castellano became boss, however, had not the qualities to be a great boss, he was a white collar that a streetman, it's attracted the hate of his own soldiers.
A typical case was DeMeo.Roy Roy was a butcher, and a serial killer, but he make a lot of money, is said he controll with the family DeCavalcante the 90% of pornography in New york.Castellano hated Demeo, but accepted the percentage on the drug (if in pubblic, he banned it), the carthefts and murders committed by his gang. But when Roy succeeded in concluding an alliance with the Westies, the the terrible Irish mafia gang, Castellano was forced to made him in 1978.
When they became uncontrollable ordered his death in 1983, and it is said that at the beginning, there was no one who had the courage to do kill him.Until DellaCroce was alive, Gotti didn't have the courage to do nothing, but to his death, there was Gotti still nothing from taking power.

Castellano's Death Certificate





Castellano's death scene photo
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/19/10 11:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Obviously times change but if he's the boss and gave someone a direct order to give him tapes either he should have had those tapes the next day or someone should have been digging a grave on Arthur Kill Road..


You hit the nail on the head.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/19/10 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Mukremin
Sonny, do you know where i can get Witness to the Mob in the netherlands? Dutch subs ofcourse.


I bought my version here, region free but without dutch subs.

http://www.cdwow.com/DVD/witness-to-the-mob/dp/1581735#bc=921d

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Mukremin
Sonny, do you know where i can get Witness to the Mob in the netherlands? Dutch subs ofcourse.

It's available in 18 parts on Youtube. No Dutch subtitles, though.


The last parts are missing unfortunately.
Posted By: JCrusher

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/20/10 02:53 AM

Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples
I think there were a series of bad choices. The first was Don Carlo Gambino, he thought, to lead the family, need a Sicilian, chose Castellano, for this reason, and because was also his relative, instead of best Aniello DellaCroce, but it was a Neapolitan. On the death of Gambino, Castellano became boss, however, had not the qualities to be a great boss, he was a white collar that a streetman, it's attracted the hate of his own soldiers.
A typical case was DeMeo.Roy Roy was a butcher, and a serial killer, but he make a lot of money, is said he controll with the family DeCavalcante the 90% of pornography in New york.Castellano hated Demeo, but accepted the percentage on the drug (if in pubblic, he banned it), the carthefts and murders committed by his gang. But when Roy succeeded in concluding an alliance with the Westies, the the terrible Irish mafia gang, Castellano was forced to made him in 1978.
When they became uncontrollable ordered his death in 1983, and it is said that at the beginning, there was no one who had the courage to do kill him.Until DellaCroce was alive, Gotti didn't have the courage to do nothing, but to his death, there was Gotti still nothing from taking power.

Castellano's Death Certificate





Castellano's death scene photo


There are a few things I wanted to clear up. When Carlo named his successor dellacroce was in prison so i think he wanted someone who didn't have much heat with the law. Also roy demeo was made in 1977 after the Westies alliance which took place after he killed Mickey Spillane in May 1977.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/20/10 10:48 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Obviously times change but if he's the boss and gave someone a direct order to give him tapes either he should have had those tapes the next day or someone should have been digging a grave on Arthur Kill Road..

Arthur Kill Road, Lilo?

I see that someone in Michigan has been using the Google Map app on his iPhone grin.

Well done!


LOL...that or just reading "Nothing but Money" cool
Posted By: GerryLang

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/20/10 09:44 PM

Did Castellano do any real time in prison during his life? I read Boss of Bosses years ago, I don't remember much of it, the parts of it still with me are about Paul and his maid Gloria, and him getting the penis pump. I thought it was distasteful the FBI even brought that kind of stuff up, it had nothing to do with Paul Castellano boss of the Gambino family. You ever notice the media tends to paint Gotti's time as boss as extremely murderous, but in reality there were loads more killings under Big Paul's reign. I think Paul had his daughters boyfriend killed for saying he looks like Frank Perdue, think Joe Massino had a part in it. Then he had his son inlaw killed for abusing his daughter.
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/20/10 09:52 PM

I believe Paul was only shortly jailed when he was a teenager in the 1930s.
Posted By: JCrusher

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/21/10 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: GerryLang
Did Castellano do any real time in prison during his life? I read Boss of Bosses years ago, I don't remember much of it, the parts of it still with me are about Paul and his maid Gloria, and him getting the penis pump. I thought it was distasteful the FBI even brought that kind of stuff up, it had nothing to do with Paul Castellano boss of the Gambino family. You ever notice the media tends to paint Gotti's time as boss as extremely murderous, but in reality there were loads more killings under Big Paul's reign. I think Paul had his daughters boyfriend killed for saying he looks like Frank Perdue, think Joe Massino had a part in it. Then he had his son inlaw killed for abusing his daughter.


Paul did a few months in jail as a teenger for a robbery but he didn't cooperate so that earning him respect. he also did some time after the Apalachin meeting. He was caught fleeing a spent like a year or two in jail. I agree with you about Paul's reign. Despite some peoplen claiming he didn't like violence he ordered countless murders. Even John Gotti who is known as a murderous tough guy didn't come close to the amount of murders during Paul's reign.
Posted By: GaryH

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/21/10 08:48 AM

Frank Amato (son in law) was the stupidiest guy on earth.
What did he think would happen when he started abusing the big bosses daughter?
Castellano had DeMeo take him out.

Big Paul got jailed as a youngster for a bungled liquor store raid, he didnt serve very long though
Posted By: GerryLang

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/21/10 05:54 PM

Originally Posted By: JCrusher
Originally Posted By: GerryLang
Did Castellano do any real time in prison during his life? I read Boss of Bosses years ago, I don't remember much of it, the parts of it still with me are about Paul and his maid Gloria, and him getting the penis pump. I thought it was distasteful the FBI even brought that kind of stuff up, it had nothing to do with Paul Castellano boss of the Gambino family. You ever notice the media tends to paint Gotti's time as boss as extremely murderous, but in reality there were loads more killings under Big Paul's reign. I think Paul had his daughters boyfriend killed for saying he looks like Frank Perdue, think Joe Massino had a part in it. Then he had his son inlaw killed for abusing his daughter.


Paul did a few months in jail as a teenger for a robbery but he didn't cooperate so that earning him respect. he also did some time after the Apalachin meeting. He was caught fleeing a spent like a year or two in jail. I agree with you about Paul's reign. Despite some peoplen claiming he didn't like violence he ordered countless murders. Even John Gotti who is known as a murderous tough guy didn't come close to the amount of murders during Paul's reign.


Yes, it shows you how bad the media can distort things. There were probably hundreds of people killed by the Gambino's under Paul's watch, but Gotti is blood lusting lunatic!
Posted By: JCrusher

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/22/10 01:07 AM

Originally Posted By: GerryLang
Originally Posted By: JCrusher
Originally Posted By: GerryLang
Did Castellano do any real time in prison during his life? I read Boss of Bosses years ago, I don't remember much of it, the parts of it still with me are about Paul and his maid Gloria, and him getting the penis pump. I thought it was distasteful the FBI even brought that kind of stuff up, it had nothing to do with Paul Castellano boss of the Gambino family. You ever notice the media tends to paint Gotti's time as boss as extremely murderous, but in reality there were loads more killings under Big Paul's reign. I think Paul had his daughters boyfriend killed for saying he looks like Frank Perdue, think Joe Massino had a part in it. Then he had his son inlaw killed for abusing his daughter.


Paul did a few months in jail as a teenger for a robbery but he didn't cooperate so that earning him respect. he also did some time after the Apalachin meeting. He was caught fleeing a spent like a year or two in jail. I agree with you about Paul's reign. Despite some peoplen claiming he didn't like violence he ordered countless murders. Even John Gotti who is known as a murderous tough guy didn't come close to the amount of murders during Paul's reign.


Yes, it shows you how bad the media can distort things. There were probably hundreds of people killed by the Gambino's under Paul's watch, but Gotti is blood lusting lunatic!

Well I still think Gotti was a lunatic. It's just that by the time he became boss it was harder to whack people than in the 70's early 80's because technology was improving for the FBi and criminal investigation unit
Posted By: goombah

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/22/10 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: goombah
I think a couple of factors, Lilo. One, Big Paul was under indictment himself and probably preoccupied with his own headaches. Second, similar to the GF trilogy, Castellano underestimated Gotti and those who might conspire against him. According to "Gangland," Gotti was livid that Castellano did not attend the funeral of Underboss Neil Dellacroce. It did not go unnoticed by big earners like Gotti, Gravanno, & DeCiccio that Big Paul rarely shared the wealth he was accumulating from his captains and soldiers.

Neil Dellacroce was also helping stonewall Big Paul from getting the Ruggerio tapes in order to protect his protegee, John Gotti. The tapes showed that both Quack Quack Ruggierio and Gotti were dealing heroin against Castellano's strict prohibition.

Lastly I think part of it was Big Paul's arrogance. The Gambino leader was the Boss of Bosses, which was a title highly regarded in Cosa Nostra and not someone to go after on a whim.


Those are all excellent points, goombah. I guess Paul really was ultimately not that quick when it came to some things. As you say, arrogant. Obviously times change but if he's the boss and gave someone a direct order to give him tapes either he should have had those tapes the next day or someone should have been digging a grave on Arthur Kill Road..


I think I misspoke about the tapes. It wasn't that Fat Ange refused to turn over the tapes. The government had them. Paul was pressing Fat Ange & Gotti to tell Paul what was discussed on the tapes. They stonewalled Big Paul, with the help of Neil Dellacroce. Don't get me wrong - it was still a big risk to not capitulate to Big Paul. He even told Gotti that if it was proven on the tapes that John Gotti was moving heroin (he was), then Paul would have him killed. Castellano referred to this rule as his First Commandment - "you deal, you die."

Because you're right, Lilo. If one disobeyed the head of the Family, that person would not be seen alive again.
Posted By: JCrusher

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/22/10 11:32 PM

Originally Posted By: goombah
Originally Posted By: Lilo
Originally Posted By: goombah
I think a couple of factors, Lilo. One, Big Paul was under indictment himself and probably preoccupied with his own headaches. Second, similar to the GF trilogy, Castellano underestimated Gotti and those who might conspire against him. According to "Gangland," Gotti was livid that Castellano did not attend the funeral of Underboss Neil Dellacroce. It did not go unnoticed by big earners like Gotti, Gravanno, & DeCiccio that Big Paul rarely shared the wealth he was accumulating from his captains and soldiers.

Neil Dellacroce was also helping stonewall Big Paul from getting the Ruggerio tapes in order to protect his protegee, John Gotti. The tapes showed that both Quack Quack Ruggierio and Gotti were dealing heroin against Castellano's strict prohibition.

Lastly I think part of it was Big Paul's arrogance. The Gambino leader was the Boss of Bosses, which was a title highly regarded in Cosa Nostra and not someone to go after on a whim.


Those are all excellent points, goombah. I guess Paul really was ultimately not that quick when it came to some things. As you say, arrogant. Obviously times change but if he's the boss and gave someone a direct order to give him tapes either he should have had those tapes the next day or someone should have been digging a grave on Arthur Kill Road..


I think I misspoke about the tapes. It wasn't that Fat Ange refused to turn over the tapes. The government had them. Paul was pressing Fat Ange & Gotti to tell Paul what was discussed on the tapes. They stonewalled Big Paul, with the help of Neil Dellacroce. Don't get me wrong - it was still a big risk to not capitulate to Big Paul. He even told Gotti that if it was proven on the tapes that John Gotti was moving heroin (he was), then Paul would have him killed. Castellano referred to this rule as his First Commandment - "you deal, you die."

Because you're right, Lilo. If one disobeyed the head of the Family, that person would not be seen alive again.

I agree. Also it should be said that John gotti was scared of Paul especially early on. Of course he acted like he was tough behind his back but i read that when Big paul called john to a meeting John would get nervous and say, What did I do" This was when Paul had the demeo crew and the Cherry hill gambinos at his disposal. Gotti was lucky he had Dellacroce to protect him. However, i think if Paul ordered Neil to whack out Gotti he would have since he was a mafia loyalist but at that point he was too sick too take any action
Posted By: GaryH

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/24/10 11:35 PM

Dellacroce is the only reason Gotti remained among the living.

Its no coincedence that barely that 2 weeks after Neils death, Gotti had to move on Paul before Paul moved on him
Posted By: Sonny_Black

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/25/10 09:39 PM

The funny thing is, that if Carlo Gambino decided to make Neil the boss, Gotti would have been the boss in dec 1985 anyway. smile
Posted By: GerryLang

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/25/10 09:53 PM

I caught some bits and pieces of the Mobsters bio on Paul Castellano,he got charged with contempt, and was sentenced to five years, but only did seven months, I think he won an appeal. So big Paul did do some jail time, and kept his mouth shut earning the reputation as a stand up guy.
Posted By: JCrusher

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/26/10 05:52 PM

Originally Posted By: GerryLang
I caught some bits and pieces of the Mobsters bio on Paul Castellano,he got charged with contempt, and was sentenced to five years, but only did seven months, I think he won an appeal. So big Paul did do some jail time, and kept his mouth shut earning the reputation as a stand up guy.

Ya ur right. Even though most people portray him as as kind of a corporate kind og guy he was still a gangster. He may have been greedy but he had the smarts to be a boss as well as the mean streak. I guarantee if Paul was under investigation in the Commission case he would have whacked out Gotti and Angelo. Who knows maybe the mob would still be a force if that happened
Posted By: GaryH

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/27/10 09:44 AM

I guarantee if Paul was under investigation in the Commission case he would have whacked out Gotti and Angelo. Who knows maybe the mob would still be a force if that happened

Thats exactly what Paul was going to do but Dellacroce kept stalling and putting him off by saying things like "I'm working on it Paul" or "I'm still looking into it and making enquires Paul".
When Dellacroce died, Gotti knew he had lost his guardian angel and that he had to kill or be killed!
Posted By: JCrusher

Re: 25 year anniversary of Paul Castellano's murder - 12/27/10 07:55 PM

Originally Posted By: GaryH
I guarantee if Paul was under investigation in the Commission case he would have whacked out Gotti and Angelo. Who knows maybe the mob would still be a force if that happened

Thats exactly what Paul was going to do but Dellacroce kept stalling and putting him off by saying things like "I'm working on it Paul" or "I'm still looking into it and making enquires Paul".
When Dellacroce died, Gotti knew he had lost his guardian angel and that he had to kill or be killed!

yes thats true. I guess you have to give Gotti credit with the initiative. I think the reason why it happened was because everything fell in the favor for Gotti. From demeo being gone as well as nino gaggi, and also paul was under the microscope. gotti wasn't a big target at that time so it was easy for him to pull this off
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