Chicago Outfit chart

This chart was compiled by two posters over on the Real Deal forum. One of them is the author of a book on the Outfit called "Family Affair."

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wow thanks for sharing, this is massive. Wish we could make 2010 charts of the new york 5 families. We could do it, but it would take a lot of time and effort.

Here's another chart they just put up. One of the early succession in the New York families.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3086/nychartcopy.jpg

A chart like that, with photos and all, would be a little harder to do because the NY families are so much bigger. But you can see a membership list for each of them on the forum below. (You have to sign up to access it though).

http://www.realdeal-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11119

thank you, i will check those out. But they sure did a nice job on those 2 charts.

Thanks

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Great chart btw, I would love to see more of this of other families.

yeah, keep us updated when there are new ones. Maybe other cities will be more easy to make since they had few made men. But a full 5 family chart of new york would be wonderful

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It shows there are 83 made men in the Chicago Mob.

Don't forget there are many associates and some are deceased.

The chart is a good one simply because of the photos and it's very inclusive. That said, average membership estimates for the Chicago Outfit are about 50. 60 at most.

Well, counting the Rochester soldiers and also members in other parts of the country it comes out to 83. Just recounted.

What I'm saying is, while it's a good chart over all, probably not all of those identified as "soldiers" on the chart are actually made. I like Scott's work but his estimates for the Detroit family, which have ranged from 40 to 50+, is also higher than most other estimates which put it about between 20 and 30.

I hear ya, but I think Scott's work is right on. He studied a lot and has even met associates of both families.

this family is starting 2 interest me a litle more. Y does each crew have a capo and street boss??? there structure seems slightly diffrent than the classic LCN structure we have become use to seeing

Aha. Awesome charts. Haven't you posted it here before IvyLeague?
Its a few years old innit?
Dont get me wrong, still awesome.

"Probably not all of these guys are made."

Let's put it this way, according to Joseph Fosco, who seems to know his stuff very well, Marco D'Amico, way up near the top, isn't even made.

He has posted this adamantly multiple times.

I don't know why they're structured the way they're structured but one interesting thing is that despite the geographic designations they're more just ways of organizing things. Like Lombardo was ostensibly the boss of the "Grand Avenue Crew" but he operated way outside Grand Avenue.

I think a lot of that "area boss," "street boss," etc. stuff for the Outfit is outdated. There was an extra layer of insulation between the crews and the administration - in the form of area bosses - but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. And there really doesn't seem to be a need for street bosses underneath the captains in the downsized Outfit. The latest information is simply that you have the administration (DiFronzo, Andriacchi, and possibly D'Amico) at the top. And then you have the 4 remaining crews headed by Pete DiFronzo, Joe Culotta, John Matassa, and Frank Caruso. They could certainly have top guys in their crews but I'm not sure the title of "street boss" should be forced on them. In short, the modern day Outfit structure is much more like other families than many assume.

Or we could put it another way. That a number of other sources have Marco D'Amico as definitely a made guy.

So the consensus seems to be 50-60 made guys around?

It could be anywhere from 30 to 80.

A site that I believe is a good resource on the Chicago Outfit is http://www.ganglandchicago.blogspot.com
The photos on there alone are worth a look. If you are interested in the Chicago LCN check it out.

Awesome. Great site.
*Added to Favourites*
Thanks joey_doves

Magnificant website!

It also has the 1983 chart I posted previously in another topic. According to this website it's a chart of the Chicago Crime Commission.

(right-click and click on see picture)

Another great one for the Capone era is: myalcaponemuseum.com

March 16, 2011 (CHICAGO) (WLS) — Four years after the Family Secrets mob murder trial in Chicago, federal authorities are still seeking millions of dollars in fines and restitution owed by convicted Outfit bosses.

In Wednesday’s Intelligence Report: claims that one jailed mob boss has hidden millions of dollars.

When Frank “The Breeze” Calabrese was sentenced to life in prison for racketeering and seven gangland murders, he was assessed nearly $4.4 million in fines, fees and restitution.

There is almost that much money buried, stashed and hidden in locations around Chicago, according to two men who at one time were Calabrese Sr.’s most trusted aides.

“He hid money in so many different places,” said Kurt Calabrese.

Kurt Calabrese and his brother, Frank Jr., were the right and left arms of their father, Frank “The Breeze,” through the 1980s and into the 90s.

With their father in prison, the brothers are out of the Outfit. But both men claim that before their dad went away he stashed millions of dollars in proceeds from mob rackets.

“Not overseas accounts, he didn’t do anything overseas, he did cash, so if he did anything it’s cash, and it’s hidden,” said Kurt Calabrese.

Last year, federal marshals found $750,000 in cash and an untold fortune in jewels hidden inside the Oak Brook house where Calabrese’s wife still lives. It was concealed in a basement wall behind the family photo.

“Yeah, he loved to stash cash,” said Frank Calabrese Jr.

The Breeze’s namesake, Frank Jr., says his father had $10 million at the height of his power, and that some of it was hidden away in 55 gallon drums.

“You name it, he did it. In walls, in car panels, anywhere he could stash cash. He would never put it in one place, and when he stashed it in places, he’d put in two places in the same place so if you found the one you were so happy you didn’t look for the other one. And he made the one easier to find with the less cash in it,” said Frank Calabrese Jr.

At the FBI in Chicago, spokesman Ross Rice says “55 gallon drums have been searched [by agents] in various venues, with negative results.” They are “still pursuing additional leads but doubt much more will be recovered as it is most likely gone.”

Joe “The Shark” Lopez, attorney for Calabrese Sr., says any talk of buried treasures is just a fairy tale.

“I think that’s a fabrication because we went through Family Secrets, we heard about all the hiding places, we heard about all the hiding places and if it was out there, the feds would certainly have it,” said Lopez.

All of the mob bosses convicted in Family Secrets owe a total of $24 million in fines and restitution. Once the appeals are complete, the government will auction off Calabrese’s possessions that have been seized, including $500 and $1,000 bills worth much more than face value. Then relatives of family members will receive recompense.

Source: abclocal.go.com

I saw this recently. Pretty interesting.

awesome video, the outfit def is still a scary org in its own respect

Interesting that you have Vegas operatives, is that accurate and up to date? Interesting to know they still have guys in place out there if so.

my guess would be the operatives in vegas are guys loaning money, maybe running clubs/restaurants, that type of thing. steve wynn definitely isnt letting these goons skim thats for sure.

that Calabrese video was kind of sad. "Frankie Breeze" sounded like such a scumbag. it was interesting what he said about no other guys in the Outfit making their sons or letting their sons get invovled

Just to clarify once again, I did not make these charts - either the Chicago or Philly one. They were made by some other posters on the Real Deal forum. Regarding both, I generally agree with the charts as a whole, especially the upper levels which are more documented. But the lower levels, i.e. the associates, is more up for debate.

There are still a handful of mob guys from Chicago in Las Vegas. But not many. I remember an article from a local newspaper there about a decade ago which quoted one law enforcement officer as saying there were only a dozen or so made members total that still lived in Vegas. They aren't in the casinos anymore and haven't been since the mid-1980's. And the only real mob-related news out of Vegas in recent years has been the bust of the Crazy Horse Too club, which was run by Outfit associate Rick Rizzolo.