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2008 Family Charts

Posted By: BDuff

2008 Family Charts - 03/18/08 05:49 PM

I'll post the hierarchy's of the five families today and Chicago, Philly, KC, Boston, etc. later.

Genovese (200-300 Made Men)

Boss - Daniel Leo
Underboss - Verero Mangano
Consigliere - James Ida

Capos

1. Anthony "Tico" Antico
2. Anthony “Tony A” Arillotta
3. John "Johnny Sausages" Barbato
4. Liborio "Barney" Bellomo/Ernest Muscarella/Louis Moscatiello/Arthur "Artie" Nigro
5. Ludwig "Ninny" Bruschi
6. Dominick "Quiet Dom" Cirillo
7. Joseph "Joe D" Dente Jr.
8. Lawrence "Little Larry" Dentico
9. Silvio DeVita
10. Anthony "Tough Tony" Federici
11. Tino "The Greek" Fiumara/Micheal Crincoli
12. Rosario Gangi/Salvatore "Sammy Meatballs" Aparo/Peter "Petey Red" DiChiara
13. Joseph "The Eagle" Gatto
14. Michele “Mickey Diminio” Generoso
15. Matthew "Matty the Horse" Ianniello/Ciro Perrone
16. Frank "Punchy" Illiano/Albert "Kid Blast" Gallo
17. Mario Gigante
18. Alphonse "Allie Shades" Malangone/Alan "Baldie" Longo
19. James "Jimmy from 8th Street" Messera
20. Pasquale "Patsy" Parello/Anthony "Rom" Romanello
21. Angelo "The Horn" Prisco/Joseph "PePe" LaScala
22. Renaldi “Ray” Ruggiero
23. Rudy Santobello
24. Charles "Chuckie" Tuzzo

Gambino (200-250 Made Men)

Boss - John "Jackie Nose" D'Amico
UnderBoss - Domenico "Italian Dom" Cefalu
Consigliere - Joseph "JoJo" Corozzo

Capos

1. Vincent "Vinnie" Artuso
2. Thomas "Tommy Sneakers" Cacciopoli
3. Anthony "Sonny" Ciccone
4. Vincent “Vinny Butch” Corrao
5. George "Georgie" DeCicco
6. Salvatore "Sal" Franco
7. Richard "Richie" Gotti
8. Stephen "Steve Coogan" Grammauta
9. Paul Graziano
10. Joseph "Sonny" Juliano
11. Joseph “Joe The Cat” LaForte
12. Salvatore "Tori" LoCascio/Andrew "Andy Campo" Campos
13. Joseph "Joe" Lombardi
14. Aniello “Wahoo” Mancuso
15. Daniel "Danny" Marino/Nicholas "Little Nick" Corozzo/Leonard "Lenny" DiMaria
17. Nicholas Mitarotonda
18. Michael “Mickey Boy” Paradiso
19. George "Fat George" Remini/Carmine Sciandra
20. Louis "Louie Bracciole" Ricco
21. Salvatore "Fat Sally" Scala
22. Augustus "Gus Boy" Sclafani
23. Alphonse "Funzie" Sisca
24. Ronald "Ronnie One Arm" Trucchio
25. Louis "Big Lou" Vallario


Lucchese (140 Made Men)

Boss - Steven Crea
Underboss - Joesph DiNapoli
Consigliere - Joesph Caridi

Capos

1. Anthony “Bowat” Baratta
2. John “Johnny Goggles” Baudanza
3. John “Johnny Hooks” Capra
4. Robert “Bucky The Boss” Caravaggio
5. Eugene “Boopsie” Castelle
6. Ralph “Raffie” Cuomo
7. Domenico “Danny” Cutaia
8. Joseph DiNapoli
9. Joseph “Big Joe” Giampa
10. Matthew Madonna
11. Vincent “Vinny Casablanca” Mancione
12. Aniello “Neil” Migliore
13. Anthony “Tony Blue Eyes” Santorelli
14. Dominic “Crazy Dom” Truscello


Bannano (140-160 Made Men)

Boss - Salvatore Montagna
Underboss - Tony Graziano
Consigliere - Tony Rabito

Capos

1. Sandro Aiosa
2. Vincent Asaro
3. Vincent “Vinny Gorgeous” Basciano
4. Vincent "Vinny T.V." Badalamenti
5. Gerard "Jerry" Chilli
6. Louis “Louie Electric” DeCicco
7. Patrick “Patty from the Bronx” DeFilippo
8. Thomas DiFiore
9. Joseph “Joe Desi” DeSimone
10. Anthony "Tony Black" Furino
11. Joseph "J.B." Indelicato
12. Frank "The Fireman" Porco
13. William "Willie Glasses" Riviello
14. Nicholas "Nicky" Santora


Colombo (140-200 Made Men)

Boss - Thomas Gieoli
Underboss - John Franzese
Consigliere - Ralph Lombardo

Capos

1. Joseph Amato
2. Joseph Baudanza
3. Paul “Paulie Guns” Bevacqua
4. Benjamin Castellazzo
5. Gerard “Jerry” Clamenza
6. James “Jimmy Green Eyes” Clemenza
7. John "Jackie" DeRoss
8. Luca DiMatteo
9. Dominick “Donnie Shacks” Montemarano
10. Alphonse “Allie Boy” Persico
11. Theodore “Teddy” Persico
12. Thomas Petrizzo
13. Andrew "Andy" Russo/William “Billy” Russo
14. Joseph “Joe T” Tomasello
Posted By: chopper

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/18/08 11:30 PM

Thanks for this BDUFF but im sure Little Nick" Corozzo is the current boss of the Gambino family and jackie nose is the street boss,also i thought Arnold "Zekey" Squitieri was the underboss.

As for the Genovese i had queit dom down as consiglierie


And as for the Luchesse regime ive got Joseph "Joe C." Caridi as consiglierie
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/18/08 11:42 PM

There are several inconsistencies, but I guess it all depends on where you're getting your information from.
Posted By: chopper

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/18/08 11:56 PM

mines from painstakingly reasearching the net reading books and emails


it sometimes feels like a full time job \:o


and i still get things wrong
Posted By: BDuff

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/19/08 02:31 AM

 Originally Posted By: chopper
Thanks for this BDUFF but im sure Little Nick" Corozzo is the current boss of the Gambino family and jackie nose is the street boss,also i thought Arnold "Zekey" Squitieri was the underboss.

As for the Genovese i had queit dom down as consiglierie


And as for the Luchesse regime ive got Joseph "Joe C." Caridi as consiglierie



I know Little Nick is the boss, but with him on the run I just wrote in Jackie as boss. Zekey is retired and in poor health according to my source. Caridi is tough because there are people saying Underboss and Consigliere, I guessed.
Posted By: BDuff

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/19/08 02:54 AM

Scarfo (50 Made Men)

Boss - Joe Ligambi
Underboss - Steven Mazzone
Consigliere - Michael Lancoletti

Capos

1.Vincent Centorino
2.Vince Filipelli
3.Anthony Staino
4.Gaeton Lucibello
5.John Ciancaglini


Chicago Outfit (75-200 Made Men)

Boss - John “No Nose” DiFronzo
Underboss - James “The Man” Marcello
Consigliere - Joseph "Joey The Clown" Lombardo

North Side Boss: Joseph “Joe the Builder” Andriacchi

West Side Boss - Vincent “Jimmy” Cozzo

South Side Boss - Frank “Toots” Caruso Sr.

Rush Street/North Side Crew: John “Pudgy” Matassa

Elmwood Park Crew: Rudolph “Rudy” Fratto, Pete DiFronzo



Detroit Combination (45-60 Made Men)

Boss - Giacomo "Black Jack" Tocco

Underboss - Vito "Billy Jack" Giacalone

Consiglieri - Anthony "Tony T" Tocco

Counselor Emeritus - Antonino "Tony the Exterminator/T.R" Ruggirello, Dominic Bommarito, Joseph Barbara, Jr.

Street Boss - Jack "Jackie the Kid" Giacalone (oversees all caporegimes)

Caporegimes:

1. Anthony "Chicago Tony" La Piana
2. Anthony "Tony Pal/The Butterfly" Palazzola
3. Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr.
4. Frank "Frankie the Bomb" Bommarito
5. Vito Tocco


Kansas City (40 Made Men)

Boss - Joe Sciortino
Underboss - Peter Simone
Consigliere - Nick LaBruzzo

Capos

1. William Cammisano Jr.
2. Vincent Civella
3. James Duardi
4. Angelo Porello
Posted By: icegoodbarbPresident

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 04/03/08 10:40 PM

Milwaukee mafia
Capo: Dennis "Libby" Librizzi
Capo: Angelo "Big Angelo" Alioto
Capo: Ricco "The Killer" Bono

NEW ENGLAND or Patriarca family
Boss: Luigi Giovanni “Baby Shacks” Manocchio
Underboss: Carmen "Big Cheese" DiNunzio
Consigliere: Peter Limone

Capo William “Blackjack” DelSanto
Capo Anthony DiNunzio
Capo Matthew “Good Looking Matty” Guglielmetti Jr.
Capo Mark Rossetti
Capo Pryce Quintina
Capo Anthony “Spucky” Spagnolo

BUFFALO MAFIA now known as Falzone family
BOSS
Leonard Falzone

Capo Frank "Butchie Bifocals" BiFulco
Capo Russell "Russ" Carcone
Capo Benjamin "Sonny" Nicoletti Jr
Capo Joseph "Joey Paps" Pugliese

I know soldiers of each of these families so if you want a chart or soldiers capos bosses just post it
Posted By: chopper

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 04/05/08 08:00 AM

Thank for this ^^^^ \:\)
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 04/07/08 02:14 PM

"Butchie Bifocals" has to be the best mob nickname i have heard in a while \:\)
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 04/07/08 07:43 PM

Well, it shows how some education is beginning to rub off on Mob guys. Previously, Nicholas Marangello, the Bonanno underboss, was known simply as "Nicky Glasses."

Or maybe they're getting older, and need bifocals?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 08/13/08 10:45 PM

Average estimates for the Genovese family are about 200 members. The family hasn't had an official boss since Gigante died. Daniel "Danny the Lion" Leo was acting boss before he was indicted last year. Venaro "Benny Eggs" Mangano is still underboss, though he is now basically retired. James "The Little Guy" Ida is still consigiere, even though he is in prison for life.

Average estimates for the Gambino family are about 200 members. Peter Gotti is still the official boss, even though he is in prison. Arnold "Zeke" Squitieri is still official underboss, even though he is in prison. John "Jackie Nose" D'Amico and Domenico "Italian Dom" Cefalu were acting boss and acting underboss respectively before they were indicted. Joseph "Jo Jo" Corozzo is still official consigliere even though he was also indicted.

Average estimates for the Lucchese family are 100-130 members. Vittorio "Vic" Amuso is still official boss even though he is in prison for life. Steven "Wonderboy" Crea is official underboss. Joseph "Joe C" Caridi is official consigliere. Captains Aniello "Neil" Migliore, Joseph “Big Joe” DiNapoli, Matthew Madonna were on a three-man committe running the family before DiNapoli and Madonna were indicted.

Average estimates for the Colombo family are 75-110 members. Carmine "The Snake" Persico is still official boss. Thomas "Tommy Shots" Gieoli was acting boss before he got indicted recently. John "Sonny" Franzese is the official underboss and was also recently indicted. Joel "Waverly" Cacace is official consigliere, even though he is incarcerated.

Average estimates for the Bonanno family are 115-135 members. The family hasn't installed an official boss since Joseph Massino flipped. Salvatore "Sal the Ironworker" Montagna is acting boss. The family hasn't installed an new underboss since Salvatore Vitale flipped. Anthony "TG" Graziano is still official consigliere but is in prison.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 08/13/08 10:48 PM

Originally Posted By: chopper
Thanks for this BDUFF but im sure Little Nick" Corozzo is the current boss of the Gambino family and jackie nose is the street boss,also i thought Arnold "Zekey" Squitieri was the underboss.

As for the Genovese i had queit dom down as consiglierie


And as for the Luchesse regime ive got Joseph "Joe C." Caridi as consiglierie



Although many have speculated on internet message boards, Nick Corozzo has never been the boss of the Gambino family. He was briefly set to become acting boss in the 1990's but was indicted before that could happen. He was recently indicted again as a captain.

Dominick Cirillo was acting boss for the Genovese family in the late 1990's and again in the early 2000's before he was indicted again. Technically speaking, he is a captain. James Ida remains consigliere.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 08/13/08 10:50 PM

Originally Posted By: BDuff
Scarfo (50 Made Men)

Boss - Joe Ligambi
Underboss - Steven Mazzone
Consigliere - Michael Lancoletti

Capos

1.Vincent Centorino
2.Vince Filipelli
3.Anthony Staino
4.Gaeton Lucibello
5.John Ciancaglini


Chicago Outfit (75-200 Made Men)

Boss - John “No Nose” DiFronzo
Underboss - James “The Man” Marcello
Consigliere - Joseph "Joey The Clown" Lombardo

North Side Boss: Joseph “Joe the Builder” Andriacchi

West Side Boss - Vincent “Jimmy” Cozzo

South Side Boss - Frank “Toots” Caruso Sr.

Rush Street/North Side Crew: John “Pudgy” Matassa

Elmwood Park Crew: Rudolph “Rudy” Fratto, Pete DiFronzo



Detroit Combination (45-60 Made Men)

Boss - Giacomo "Black Jack" Tocco

Underboss - Vito "Billy Jack" Giacalone

Consiglieri - Anthony "Tony T" Tocco

Counselor Emeritus - Antonino "Tony the Exterminator/T.R" Ruggirello, Dominic Bommarito, Joseph Barbara, Jr.

Street Boss - Jack "Jackie the Kid" Giacalone (oversees all caporegimes)

Caporegimes:

1. Anthony "Chicago Tony" La Piana
2. Anthony "Tony Pal/The Butterfly" Palazzola
3. Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone, Jr.
4. Frank "Frankie the Bomb" Bommarito
5. Vito Tocco


Kansas City (40 Made Men)

Boss - Joe Sciortino
Underboss - Peter Simone
Consigliere - Nick LaBruzzo

Capos

1. William Cammisano Jr.
2. Vincent Civella
3. James Duardi
4. Angelo Porello






Estimates for the Chicago Outfit range from 25-65 members, with the average being around 50. Detroit is estimated to have 30-45 members. Kansas City is admittedly hard to get a read on but it is not likely that they have 40 members at this point.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 08/14/08 11:57 PM

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Posted By: chopper

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 08/15/08 08:26 AM

Where did you get this info? And why arent you quoting your sources? We have had this argument with MMB and he ended up banned
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 08/15/08 06:28 PM

Originally Posted By: chopper
Where did you get this info? And why arent you quoting your sources? We have had this argument with MMB and he ended up banned


These lists have been compiled by a number of people on other forums who research La Cosa Nostra and organized crime in general. The names come from indictments, government reports, and media reports where those named have been specifically identified as made members of the LCN by the FBI and other authorities. Feel free to do research on any of the names.
Posted By: Don Dallal

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 11/20/08 11:06 PM

New Jersey (DeCavalcante crime family )
60-80 made members


Giovanni "John the Eagle" Riggi (Boss-Jailed)
Francesco "Frank" Guarraci (Acting Boss)
Joseph "Joe" Miranda (UnderBoss)
Stefano "Steve the Truck Driver" Vitabile (Consigliere)

Capos:
Girolamo "Jimmy" Palermo
Charles "Big Ears" Majuri
Giuseppe "Pino" Schifilliti
Philip "Phil" Abramo
Gaetano "Corky" Vastola



Source: www.wikipedia.com
Posted By: Lompac

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 11/21/08 10:54 AM

Strange ain't it? Ya get the charts worked out and then things change: arrests, deaths etc.
Posted By: BDuff

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 11/22/08 06:58 PM

Let me change the Philadelphia hierarchy...

Boss - Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi
Underboss - Steven "Handsome Stevie" Mazzone
Consiglieri - George Borgesi (In Prison)

Capos

1. Vincent "Beeps" Centorino - North Jersey
2. Michael "Mikey Lance" Lancelotti - South Philadelphia
3. Gaeton Lucibello - Philadelphia/Surrounding Areas
4. Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino (Demoted to Capo in 2003)?
5. Anthony "Ants" Staino - South Jersey

Soldiers

1. Ralph "Ralphie the Head" Abruzzi
2. Anthony "Tony Cujino" Accardo
3. Martin "Marty" Angelina
4. Michael "Mikey" Angelina
5. Gennaro "Joseph Costello" Boccia
6. Joseph “Joey Bongs” Bongiovanni
7. Anthony Borgesi
8. Steven “Stevie Gongs” Casasanto
9. John "Johnny Chang" Ciancaglini
10. Joseph "Chickie" Ciancaglini Sr.
11. Joseph "Joey Chang" Ciancaglini Jr.
12. Louis "Big Lou" Fazzini
13. Frank Gambino
14. Joseph Grande
15. Francis "Faffy" Iannarella
16. Chad Iannece
17. Charles "Charlie White" Iannece
18. Vincent "Vince" Iannece
19. Albert “Ally Lance” Lancelotti
20. Joseph "Scoops" Licata
21. Philip “Philly” Ligambi
22. Alphonse "Funzi" Marconi
23. Guerino "Gino" Marconi
24. Frank Martines
25. Joseph "Mousie" Massimino
26. Salvatore "Chuckie" Merlino
27. Nicholas "Nicky Whip" Milano
28. Salvatore "Sonny" Mazzone
29. Andrew Micali
30. Frank “Windows” Narducci Jr.
31. Phillip Narducci
32. Anthony ”Tony Nics” Nicodemo
33. Vincent "Al Pajamas" Pagano
34. Anthony "Blonde Babe" Pungitore Sr.
35. Anthony “Tony Pung” Pungitore Jr.
36. Joseph "Joey Pung" Pungitore
37. Dominick Rugnetta
38. Salvatore "Tory" Scafidi
39. Antonio "Nino" Scaglitano
40. Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo
41. Ralph "Junior" Staino
42. John Stanfa
43. Joseph "Joey Stanfa
44. Luigi "Gino" Tripodi
45. Shawn Vetere
46. Michael "Mikey Penknife" Virgilio
Posted By: Lompac

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 02/08/09 01:21 PM

Now that Joseph Lombardo and James Marcello are gone, there is one important question!

Is this the new Chicago administration?:

Boss: John Di Fronzo
Underboss: Joseph Andriacchi
Consigliere: Angelo La Pietra
Posted By: BDuff

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 02/09/09 12:00 AM

Adriacchi has always been the de-facto number two guy in the Outfit, my guess is he is already the Underboss. Not sure who will replace Lombardo, possibly Torrebene.
Posted By: Mignon

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 02/09/09 10:18 PM

I love their names.
Posted By: DeLoTheDon

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/13/09 05:11 AM

Actually Nick Corozzo was the boss and called the shots over jackie nose when they were both active ... and he supposedly still has final word on family matters
Posted By: Mark

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/13/09 05:06 PM

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=6705429
Check this out. This will put to rest as to who's who at the top of The Outfit. The Chicago Way, boys.
Posted By: Longneck

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/13/09 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Mark
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=6705429
Check this out. This will put to rest as to who's who at the top of The Outfit. The Chicago Way, boys.


Interesting video, I missed it when they showed it on the news.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/13/09 08:53 PM

Where are his bodyguards???

Seems hes taking a risk travelling alone if he's the Don...
Posted By: Mark

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/09 12:22 AM

De Niro, with all due respect, this is Chicago...not New York. NOBODY would even think about whacking the boss out here. Things are done VERY different in The Chicago Outfit than in NY's Cosa Nostra. Please note that I said "different" not "better". In Chicago, if John Gotti would have did what he did to Castellano, they would still be looking for Gotti's remains. No matter how popular or unpopular a boss is in the Outfit, he is still the boss. If he does something out of line, he is asked to retire and pretty much left alone. If he continues to step out of line then all bets are off, remember Sam Giancana? There is a ruling body of The Outfit comprised of "old school" goodfellas that make, govern and enforce "the rules'. NOBODY would whack the boss in Chicago, Nobody sane that is. Thoughts?
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/09 09:05 AM

Good video!

I like the younger picture of Marco Damico. He looks crazed with those glasses and that smile!
Posted By: Mark

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/09 12:42 PM

Thanks, Yogi, Its an old outfit trick that worked for years. When some of these guys got mugshots taken they would contort their faces to look goofy and unrecognizable. There is a classic mugshot of Joey "The Clown" Lombardo where he appears to be in a full "yawn" while police snapped his pic! Eventually Chicago Police put an end to it and the trick does not work anymore.
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/09 01:33 PM

I'm sure i have seen that Lombardo pic, Mark!
Posted By: Mark

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/09 01:46 PM

Here it is with a great story about Lombardo... http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/421215,CST-NWS-mob10.article

Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/09 01:49 PM

I can't get to that link for some reason frown
Posted By: Mark

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/09 01:55 PM

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/421215,CST-NWS-mob10.article
Try this one?
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/09 02:00 PM

That's it mate,thanks!

Good article that.
Posted By: MonteSuputo

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/09 07:44 PM

Anybody have any information on a Mobster from the 60's/70's out of Chicago, named Louis "Lou the Taylor" Rosanova?? Heard him described as a "top cheiftain". Also heard he was included in an hierarchy listed in Joe Valachi's book???? Any info would be appreciated!!
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 04/11/09 01:00 AM

I wonder who is running the day to day activities of the gambinos now that both jackie nose and nick corozoo are both in jail/under indictment?
Posted By: NoName

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 04/13/09 03:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Lompac
Now that Joseph Lombardo and James Marcello are gone, there is one important question!

Is this the new Chicago administration?:

Boss: John Di Fronzo
Underboss: Joseph Andriacchi
Consigliere: Angelo La Pietra


Angelo LaPietra died back in 1999. He had only been out of prison four years. He had been convicted in the famous Strawman Case back in 1985. He was convicted of skimming the profits from mob-controlled Las Vegas casinos in the 1970s and '80s.

It should be pointed out that BDuff did not assemble any of these charts he claims to have made. He just copied them from numerous posters on another message board (www.realdeal-forum.com) and brought them here and pasted them and claimed them as his own.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 04/15/09 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I wonder who is running the day to day activities of the gambinos now that both jackie nose and nick corozoo are both in jail/under indictment?


An article that came out a few weeks ago mentioned Danny Marino, John Gambino, and Bobby Vernace as being on the current panel. It remains to be seen if that's really true though.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 04/15/09 05:36 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I wonder who is running the day to day activities of the gambinos now that both jackie nose and nick corozoo are both in jail/under indictment?


An article that came out a few weeks ago mentioned Danny Marino, John Gambino, and Bobby Vernace as being on the current panel. It remains to be seen if that's really true though.


yeah I read that article as well but as with all of organized crime we wont really know the "truth" until there is some case brought on by the Feds against somebody where wiretap evidence or a flipped member testifies as to who is the current hierarchy of the Gambinos.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 02/25/10 01:23 PM

LCN The Detroit Partnership/Combination:Heres my compiled list.?

BOSS:Giacamo "Black Jack" Tocco
UNDERBOSS:Anthony "Tony Z" Zerilli
CONSIGLIERE:Anthony "Tawn" Tocco
STREET BOSS:Vito "Billy Jack" Giacalone
CAPOS:Jack "Jackie the Kid" Giacalone
Anthony "Fat Tony" Giacalone jr.
Joseph "Joey Jack" Giacalone
Frank"Frankie the Bomb" Bommarito
Anthony "Chicago Tony" Lapiana
Antonio "T.R." Ruggirello Sr.
Peter Tocco
Anthony "Tony Pal" Palazolla
Soldiers:Paul "Big Paulie" Corrado
Peter "Baby Bull" Corrado
Peter "Fat Pete" Corrado
Dominic "Chicago Dom" Corrado
David "Ace" Aceto
Salvatore "Mops" Tocco
Paul Tocco
Joe Tocco
Sam "Junior" Tocco
Peter "Specs" Tocco
Jack "Little Jackie" Tocco jr.
Anthony "Little Tony" Tocco
Joseph "Little Joey Jack" Giacalone
Jack "Jackie The Nose" Giacalone
Anthony "Little Tony Lung" Cimini Jr.
Vincent "Big Vince" Meli
Paul Meli
Carl Meli
John DAgostino
Fabio DAgostino
Guiseppi "The Zip" DAgostino
Massimo DAgostino
Dominic Bommarito
Carlo Bommarito
John "JP" Bommarito
Matthew "Matty the Bomber" Bommarito
Robert "Bobby the Tiger" Lapuma
James "Jimmy the Gambler" Baratta
Eugene "Genie Boy" Baratta
Mario "Mimi" Depelle
Francisco "Fritzy" Depelle
Joseph "Joey Low" Mudaro
Frank "Moody" Mudaro
Anthony "Tony B" Bagnasco
Louis Oddo
Sammy "Sammy Low" Lobaido
Joseph "Joey Low" Lobaido
Angelo "Barrels" Lombardi
Anthony "Kango" Imbrunone
Michael "Bruno" Bartalotta
Joe Barbara Jr
Andrew "Tat" Barbara
Joe Badalmenti
Caesar Badalmenti
Jack "Big Jackie" Russo
Vincent "Jimmy Jacobs" Finazzo
Raymond Guarlesimo
Luigi "Louie the Bulldog" Ruggirello
Sam Evola
Jack "Jackie C" Gianosa
Frank "Frankie Boo" Buffa
Eddie"Brokie" Guarella
Salvatore "Sammy Rocks" Misuraca
William"Billy Lee" Lociacano
Joe Mantraga
Joe Mirabile
Anthony Nuccio
Giovanni Nuccio
Salvatore "Little Sammy Pal" Palazolla
Frank "Frankie Pal" Palazolla
Sam "Sammy G" Giordano
August"Little Augie" Giordano
Don Fragale
Rico Prizioli
Jack "Fat Jackie" Lucido
Sebastian "Buster" Lucido
Sam Lucido
Danny Bruno
Anthony "Tony Razz" Randazzo
Dominic "Fat Dom" Vivio
Phillipp Zerilli
Dominic Licavoli
Peter Trupiano
Pat Carlini
James "Biff" Magcagmone
Danny Triglia
Danny Tringale
Dominic Vicarri
Joe Messina
Pete Messina
John Sciarotta
Vincenzo"Vinnie Meatballs" Bronzino
James "Jimmy the Golfer" Nerea
Isodoro"Teddy SanDiego" Matranga
Girolana"Jerry the Manager" Vitale
Tommy Vitale
Frank "Cheech" Bombrisco
Dominic "Dom from Dearborn" Moceri
Louis "Butchie" Stramalgia
Joseph "Big Joe" Viccari
Leonard "Skippy" Torrice
Henry Petrella
Leonard "Leo Monday" Monteleone
Salavtore "Sammy Soup" Lentini
Frank Versaci
Antonio "Tony the Barber" Foglia
James Presti
Sam Ventigmilla
Joe Ventigmilla
William "Buffalo Bill" Gibera
Frank "New York Frankie" Inglese
John "New York Johnny" Cussamano
Dominic Allevato
Anthony Abate
Peter "Potato Chip Pete" DeAngelo
John Jarjosa-Made?
Alessando Sucurro




Also there has probably been some more Capos and Soldiers added in the last couple years as Detroit seems to open the books about every 10 years.?
Approx:75-100 "Made" Men and Numerous Associates.?


Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 02/28/10 08:25 AM

This is actually the latest information on the Detroit hierarchy -

Boss: Giacomo “Black Jack” Tocco
Underboss: Joseph “Joe Hooks” Mirabile
Consigliere: Dominic “Uncle Dom” Bommarito

Street Boss: Jackie “Jackie the Kid” Giacalone

Captains:
Frank “Frankie the Bomb” Bommarito
Anthony “Chicago Tony” La Piana
Joseph “Joey Jack” Giacalone
Peter “Blackie” Tocco
Anthony “Tony Pal” Palazzola
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/02/10 02:46 AM

Not to sound like a douch, but id go with IvyLeague.
The guy knows his shit.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/02/10 03:20 AM

Damm, you dont read/hear anything about the Detroit or Buffalo Family.. those two are under the radar like crazy
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/02/10 05:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Damm, you dont read/hear anything about the Detroit or Buffalo Family.. those two are under the radar like crazy


There are 9 families that are still considered pretty much across the board to be viable - the five New York families, New England, New Jersey, Philadelphia, and Chicago.

On the flip side are areas where there are still members left but not really a formally structured, viable family. Those would include Pittsburgh, Tampa, Cleveland, Kansas City, Los Angeles, and other places.

Then there are two families in a sort of grey area. Buffalo and Detroit. The families are still there, at least technically, but they don't have the size or activity level of Chicago, New England, New Jersey, or Philadelphia, let alone the five New York families.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/02/10 05:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica
Not to sound like a douch, but id go with IvyLeague.
The guy knows his shit.


I should add that the chart I posted is from a poster on another forum who is an author and has written a very good book on the Detroit mob and is currently working on one about the Chicago mob.

He and myself do disagree on some things though. He currently puts the Detroit family at anywhere from 45-55 members. I feel that number is inflated considering the fact that back in the mid-1990's when much of the family leadership was indicted, the FBI had them at no more than 30 members. And frankly, compared to other "mid-sized" families like Chicago, New England, New Jersey, and Philadelphia, who are in that range, there just isn't the same level of mob activity in Detroit. In the past decade, there have only been two mob-related cases in Detroit. One in 2006 and another last year.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/02/10 01:32 PM

Contacts, contacts, contacts...
i need me a few of those. Reliable ones like.

Cool. Ive come to appreciate the fact that there's heaps of hyperbole and only a handful of reliable sources in regards to accurate information on present day Mob Families. We all know how dated 90% of the info available is. Of course we follow the articles by the authors, like Capeci, Anastasia, Deitch etc, and regularly check out our favourite sites, but i personally have managed to learn more, to further my own research devoloping leads & discovering new keywords to search with, scouring for articles on mobsters id previously never heard of, etc, etc - this through following & interacting with the posters on this organised crime/mafia message board.

Having said that, one sorta has to appreciate that with such few reliable sources, most if not all the accurate information comes from the same handful of sites sources. I mean, I live in bloody Australia! I'll never gonna be out there, investigating the families, in a trenchcoat & fedora, surveilling, staking out, building up my charts. Hell, even if i could, what am i, an idiot? Where the hell else am i gonna get information on a subject that interests me but from sources on the internet?

Still, id love like an ex-cop or author source like that. How sick would that be? That would be the shit.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/02/10 09:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica
Contacts, contacts, contacts...
i need me a few of those. Reliable ones like.

Cool. Ive come to appreciate the fact that there's heaps of hyperbole and only a handful of reliable sources in regards to accurate information on present day Mob Families. We all know how dated 90% of the info available is. Of course we follow the articles by the authors, like Capeci, Anastasia, Deitch etc, and regularly check out our favourite sites, but i personally have managed to learn more, to further my own research devoloping leads & discovering new keywords to search with, scouring for articles on mobsters id previously never heard of, etc, etc - this through following & interacting with the posters on this organised crime/mafia message board.

Having said that, one sorta has to appreciate that with such few reliable sources, most if not all the accurate information comes from the same handful of sites sources. I mean, I live in bloody Australia! I'll never gonna be out there, investigating the families, in a trenchcoat & fedora, surveilling, staking out, building up my charts. Hell, even if i could, what am i, an idiot? Where the hell else am i gonna get information on a subject that interests me but from sources on the internet?

Still, id love like an ex-cop or author source like that. How sick would that be? That would be the shit.


As far as the family charts go, at least for the five New York families, Buffalo, New England, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh, have all come from a well known poster who has posted on several OC forums over many years. He gets his information for organized crime reports, indictments, press releases, articles, etc. Each time a guy is identified as a member, including what his position is, he is added to the chart. Others help with this, of course, if they come across new information.

There are also charts of Chicago, Detroit, Tampa, and Los Angeles have come from others sources, including authors and former law enforcement.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/11/10 02:33 PM

If u wanna take a serious look at the Detroit Partnership and why they have flown under the radar for almost a century because of many intermarriages,etc check out a book written in 2006 by Scott Burnstein for all of u who havent brushed shoulders with wiseguys or grown up around em this will give u a good look at Detroit and all info less than 5 years old.Its called "Motor City Mafia A Century of organized Crime in Detroit".These guys are still makin millions and now we got Casinos in Detroit and we had our casinos in Vegas also.
Read this and u will find out why theyll never find Hoffa because in Detroit Snitches end up in Lake Michigan-lol.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/11/10 05:48 PM

Thanks for the recommendation about the glory days of the Detroit Mob.
I've seen that book in the local lore section at Borders.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/11/10 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Lucasi
If u wanna take a serious look at the Detroit Partnership and why they have flown under the radar for almost a century because of many intermarriages,etc check out a book written in 2006 by Scott Burnstein for all of u who havent brushed shoulders with wiseguys or grown up around em this will give u a good look at Detroit and all info less than 5 years old.Its called "Motor City Mafia A Century of organized Crime in Detroit".These guys are still makin millions and now we got Casinos in Detroit and we had our casinos in Vegas also.
Read this and u will find out why theyll never find Hoffa because in Detroit Snitches end up in Lake Michigan-lol.


That chart I posted above is from Scott. The Detroit family had interests in Las Vegas casinos, like the Aladdin, but that was back in the 1970's. I'm not sure what casinos in Detroit you're talking about. But the family still controls the sports betting and high stakes card games in the region. And, while Hoffa was certainly killed by the mob, nobody knows exactly what happened to him or where he ended up. Just that Giacalone and Tony Pro were the most likely involved.
Posted By: scarfacetm

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/11/10 11:54 PM

Any idea on the mapping of the Patriarca/ New England Family?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/12/10 01:36 AM

Originally Posted By: scarfacetm
Any idea on the mapping of the Patriarca/ New England Family?


Boss: Luigi "Baby Shacks" Manocchio (however recent reports have said he has stepped down as boss and Peter Limone has replaced him).

Underboss: Carmine "The Cheeseman" DiNunzio (however recent reports have said he has stepped down as underboss and Robert "Bobby Cigar" DeLuca has replaced him).

(No known Consigliere at the present time)

Captains:
Joseph “Joe the Bishop” Achille Sr
Robert "Bobby Cigar" DeLuca
Anthony DiNunzio
Anthony Parillo
Mark Rossetti
Antonio "Spucky" Spagnolo

Soldiers (Boston):
William Angelesco
Francisco “Frank the Cat” Angiulo
Vincent Capone
John Cincotti
Robert “Bobby” Carrozza
Greg “Fat Boy” Costa
Biagio “Benny” DiGiacomo
Vincent "Vinny Fed" Federico
Vincent “The Animal” Ferrara
Richard “Richie” Floramo
Richard “Richie the Pig” Gambale
Vincent “Dee Dee” Gioacchini
Frank Imbruglia
Ralph “Ralphie Chong” Lamattina
Dennis “Champagne” LePore
James “Jimmy” Martorano
Junior Pingaro
Pryce Quintina
Stephen Rossetti
John “Jackie” Salemme
Frederick “Freddie the Neighbor” Simone
Carmen Tortora

Soldiers (Providence):
Richard Bonafiglia
Vito “The Ox” DeLuca
William "Billy Blackjack" Delsanto
Rocco "Rocky" Folco
Pasquel “Patsy” Galea
Matthew "Matty Gugs" Gugliemetti Jr
Edward "Eddie" Lato
Frank “BoBo” Marrapese
Raymond “Junior” Patriarca
Joseph Ruggiero
Rudolph Sciarra
Alfred "Chippy" Scivola
Anthony "The Saint" St. Laurent

Soldiers (Connecticut):
Anthony “Tony the Beaver” Ascenzia Jr
Salvatore “Butch” D'Aquila
Mariano “Mario” Grasso
Dominic Marangelli
Americo “The Cigar” Petrillo
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/12/10 01:39 AM

Also check out the great news piece called "State of the Mob" that was done in 2007. On the right you'll find some multimedia links. Click on the "Patriarca Crime Family Tree" to see some of the top guys and others in the family.

http://www.projo.com/extra/2007/mob/
Posted By: scarfacetm

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/12/10 05:16 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Also check out the great news piece called "State of the Mob" that was done in 2007. On the right you'll find some multimedia links. Click on the "Patriarca Crime Family Tree" to see some of the top guys and others in the family.

http://www.projo.com/extra/2007/mob/

I know that Dinunzio was put in prison recently, and that his shop in the North End is closed. I also know that one of their Capos was put in prison a few years ago, i made a post about that. He had his own Pizza connection going on to his "West End pizza" place which i've past many times.

I wonder if there is any record of a guy who was a soldier at the time, don't know if he retired or if he was clipped, but he knew a guy i used to work for. Unfortunately i only knew his first name. I do have a story about the New England Mob, but i'll either pm you about it or post in a different thread if you're interested.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/12/10 11:50 AM

Is a current chart for Tampa & L.A possibly feasible at the moment?
Tampa in particular proves difficult to follow, with good current articles few & far between (i jump all over new work by Deitch) As i think i stated in an older thread, Vincent LoScalzo is either incredibly, incredibly cautious or inactive, happy to let New York move in & take charge. Ive never even heard of any mobsters paying a LoScalzo a tax to operate, as was required in the days of Trafficante Jr.

Also the LA Family, the Mickey Mouse Mafia...
While they definitly seem to sound like a bit of a joke these days, less a family than a "glorified crew" (ha)
there are a couple of guys that are of interest to me. I guess my attempt at a chart would go:

BOSS: PETER MILANO aka "Shakes"
*Kenny Gallo has stated that the nickname Shakes is the invention of a turncoat witness picked up by media sources & not infact used by members.

CAPO's: Tomasso "Tommy" Gambino
(a Cherry Hill Gambino, may in fact belong to New York, but he is in a Californian prison and is said by some to be selling Sicilian heroin on the West Coast)

Jimmy Caci
Louis Caruso

Soldiers:Stephen "The Whale" Cino
Michael "Porno Mike" Esposito
John Vaccaro
Joe Isgro
James Testa (inactive?)
Rocco Zangari (inactive?)

Associates:Leonard Montana
& a dude nicknamed "Pizza Joe" somethingsomething...
aaaargh i lost it.

I have little doubt that my chart will prove innaccurate and would appreciate any insight.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/12/10 01:02 PM

The chart i posted came out of Scott Burnsteins book as far as The Boss,Underboss,Consigliere,Street Boss,Capos and some Soldiers of the Detroit Partnership.The current list ive seen shows about 75 made members still alive in Detroit not including Associates and ties elsewhere,etc.I would assume that the Detroit Mafia is actually bigger than we estimate by alot and also u have another generation of extended family members coming up.If u read and study on Detroit about every 10 years theres a making ceremony.Plus there is a few more Capos then listed.
Also they still hold a seat on the commission.They have flown under the radar because they have had only 2 known snitches in the familys existence for 1-and they didnt know to much shit-one was a Soldier{Nove Tocco} and i dont know if the other was made. Not like the rest of these familys that everyone has being a rat as an option even the Boss in some cases-Joe"Rat" Massino-Bonano family.Plus alot of them have Crews in the same family wanting to kill each other,etc instead of being the family there supppost to be-What happen to Omerta?-The 1%er M.C.s. are becoming as strong and more reliable then "made" LCN guys.
They have Kept the hierarchy of Detroit very closenit over the last century between the Zerillis,Toccos,Corrado,Bommaritos,etc and marrying Daughters to some higher ups in NewYork Familys in the past.example:Tony Tocco and Tony Zerilli both married one of Godfather Joe Profacis daughters.
Just within the city limits we have MGM Grand Casino,Greektown casino,Motor City Casino,etc also Anthony"Tony Z" Zerilli did time for owning interest in the Frontier,etc or he would probably still would be boss like his Father "UNO" before him but his Posistion didnt last long because of court charges and he got demoted and his Cousin Jack took the seat which he still holds30+ years later and Anthony still sits in the Underboss Posistion even while he was/is incarcereated. -I have known some of the older Members of the partnership most deceased as my family was invoved with training and taking care of horses owned by some of the partnership,etc in the 70s and 80s.
Tony Giacalone had some of his crew take Hoffa to one of the Detroit mobs many Funeral homes that they owned at the time and had him cremated is my theory-never to be seen again.Dust in the Wind.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/13/10 08:49 AM

The Tampa and Los Angeles families are, to borrow a line from The Sopranos, what you would call "glorified crews" at this point.

Tampa

Vincent LoScalzo - is the boss is what is left of the family

Other members -

Francisco "Frank" Albano
Antonio Amorelli
Ciro Bedami
Joseph Camero
Salvatore "Sam" Carollo
Joseph DiGerlando
Michael Napoli
Santo Jose Trafficante
James Valenti

Los Angeles
Peter "Shakes" Milano - is boss of what is left of the family

Vincent "Jimmy" Caci - is a captain

Louis "Little Louie" Caruso - is a captain, lives in Arizona where he has an AC repair business

Thomaso "Tommy" Gambino - some internet rumors have said he was underboss. He came to the west coast for his protection and was made into the family.

John "Johnny V" Vaccaro - soldier
Michael "Porno Mike" Esposito - soldier
Paulo "Paulie Tattoos" Rossi - soldier
James Testa - soldier
Steve "The Whale" Cino - soldier
Leonardo "Limping Lenny" Montana - either an associate or soldier
Michael "Sports Bar Mike" Russo - either an associate or soldier
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/13/10 09:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Lucasi
The chart i posted came out of Scott Burnsteins book as far as The Boss,Underboss,Consigliere,Street Boss,Capos and some Soldiers of the Detroit Partnership.


Scott's book came out in 2006. The updated chart I posted came directly from him this past February.

Quote:
The current list ive seen shows about 75 made members still alive in Detroit not including Associates and ties elsewhere,etc.


There is no way Detroit has 75 members today. Probably not even half that. 15 years ago the FBI had them at 30 members at most.

Quote:
I would assume that the Detroit Mafia is actually bigger than we estimate by alot and also u have another generation of extended family members coming up.If u read and study on Detroit about every 10 years theres a making ceremony.Plus there is a few more Capos then listed.


Better to go by actual demonstrable facts than assumptions. There just isn't any evidence for the Detroit mob being that big. Only 2 mob-related cases in Detroit over the past decade.

Quote:
Also they still hold a seat on the commission.


They did at one time but not now. They haven't for years. In fact, for at least the past two decades now the Commission has basically consisted of only the five New York families. There is no longer a national body of bosses like there once was.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/13/10 10:55 AM

Freakin' sweet.
Thank you, IvyLeaugue. Thanks heaps. I like it.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/13/10 01:38 PM

If u think Detroit has only 30 "made" Members than u aint from the D or ever lived there because its guaranteed we have at least that many "Soldiers".U dont need 5-10 Capos if u dont have Soldiers for them to control?
I Would like to see any list showing "Dominic Bommarito" in The Combination Hierarchy or "Mirable" because i havent,heard,seen, read anything stating that till seeing your post.
Why is Zerilli supposively not Underboss after 30+years or Tony Tocco the Consigliere?Neither have passed away or faced new indictments?I am very curious about that.
Giacalones will be at the top of the heap when the old guard passes the torch As Tony and Vito had 6 sons between them that are involved with the family and outsiders believe Capo Jack"Jackie the Kid"Giacalone will be the next Boss.?Anthony"Tony Jack" Giacalone has/had been assumed boss by many outsiders but was always the "Street Boss" or a Capo till he died in 2001 and his brother Vito was named "Street Boss" after that and he hasnt died or retired."Jackie the Kid" is Vitos son.
Heck theres 6-7 made guys named Giacalone,5-6 guys named Bommarito,5-10 guys named Tocco,numerous Corrados plus the Zerillis,4-5 Ruggirellos,etc.Thats close to 20+ "made" guys right there.Jerry Capeci ranges the Luchese family between 110-175 members and i know Detroit isnt much smaller with all its "Soldiers" My estimate:75-100 in the D.Plus Detroit has a better Economy again than its had in the past with all the new business,construction,casinos,etc.also we have members in Ohio,Canada,etc.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/10 07:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Lucasi
If u think Detroit has only 30 "made" Members than u aint from the D or ever lived there because its guaranteed we have at least that many "Soldiers".


Don't start playing the geography card. Just because you live in Detroit doesn't give you some sort of inherent knowledge on the mob there. And what's this "we" stuff?

Quote:
U dont need 5-10 Capos if u dont have Soldiers for them to control?


Detroit doesn't have anywhere near 10 captains. Scott will often list around 5 or so but that doesn't mean they are all active at the present time.

Quote:
I Would like to see any list showing "Dominic Bommarito" in The Combination Hierarchy or "Mirable" because i havent,heard,seen, read anything stating that till seeing your post.


That information doesn't come from me but from the very guy who's book you keep referring to. He posts pretty reguarly on the Real Deal forum.


Quote:
Jerry Capeci ranges the Luchese family between 110-175 members and i know Detroit isnt much smaller with all its "Soldiers" My estimate:75-100 in the D.Plus Detroit has a better Economy again than its had in the past with all the new business,construction,casinos,etc.also we have members in Ohio,Canada,etc.


Capeci does not put the Luccheses at 110-175. In 2005 he had them at 120-130 members. But that was probably a little inflated.

As for Detroit, it does no good to just make up your own estimates because they are meaningless. No family outside of New York has 100 members. Not even Chicago, much less Detroit.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/10 05:21 PM

Good post, Ivy. Well researched and articulated, as usual. I'll just add the why, where the decline of the Detroit Mafia is concerned.

My two cents: When you combine the General Attrition of Italian-Americans in the Detroit area, with the tremendous African-American population there; toss in the very prominent gang presence in the area, and you'll see that it's now impossible for a traditional Italian-American Mafia Family to survive there, let alone thrive.

Are there a few old timers left? Sure, you'll have that until they finally all die off. Are there a few delinquent kids, born in the '80s, who are too dumb to realize that the thing was almost over before they were born? Yeah, you have that too. Criminal minded guys like that are always gonna be pissed off about "missing the boat."

But if you'll open your eyes, you'll realize that it's not just Detroit. Hell, even the New York families, while clearly still the most powerful in the nation, are shadows of their former selves (save for the Genovese crew, those are some cagey old timers).
Posted By: Lilo

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/14/10 07:24 PM

Also wrt Detroit proper, not only have demographics changed in the city but the businesses or activities which used to be the bread and butter of the Mafia have changed or shrunk.

1) Gambling is run by the State and that is where I think most people in SE Michigan spend their gambling money. I think the various lotteries have taken the place of numbers and to a lesser extent bookmaking.

2) The Unions have shrunk dramatically since their heyday. I think only something like 7-10% of private sector workers are unionized now. This is likely a bit higher in SE Michigan because of the auto industry but even there so much has been moved to China or Mexico or elsewhere that even if there were a vibrant local Mafia they wouldn't have the opportunity to exploit unions like they used to do. Michigan's economy is not doing well enough for a group (besides the government) to extort from it.

3) Narcotics has changed. There are various black, hispanic, white or Middle Eastern gangs or organizations that ultimately get most of their product from Mexican organizations. Every now and then you hear about a local alleged Italian-American associate getting charged or busted around this crime but it's really like finding a chicken with teeth. Rare.

4) Loan sharking has been taken over by payday loan, pawnshop and rent-to-own centers, which are ubiquitous in the poorer areas of SE Michigan, regardless of racial demographic.

One of the themes in Puzo's Mafia books was various Dons seeking to legitimize their children or grandchildren. To an extent I really think this took place in SE Michigan. There are certain businesses such as restaurants, realty companies, food supply, waste disposal or towing that have some interesting antecedents if you dig into them but for the most part they don't appear to have the ongoing Mafia connections that are still not uncommon on the East Coast.

The only traditional business where you still see some local Mafia activity is trucking/waste hauling. That's centered in Warren, a Detroit suburb, which has an not undeserved reputation for being rather unfriendly to outsiders, particularly Detroiters.

I would be quite interested in any source that spoke to major current Detroit area traditional Mafia activity. When Isiah Thomas came under scrutiny (in the 90's???) for his alleged involvement with gambling games run by OC figures the people involved were of Middle Eastern descent not Italian, although I seem to remember there might have been an unsuccessful (?) shakedown attempt by a Italian group.

It was a long time ago so I can't remember and as Bonanno would say "I was out of town when that happened".. rolleyes
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/10 04:04 AM

In response to the two posts above, techincally speaking the Detroit mob is still there but it does not have the size or presence some claim it does. As I pointed out, 15 years ago the FBI had the family at 30 made members. That's when family boss Jack Tocco and several other top guys in the family were indicted. Since then there have been two mob-related cases. One in 2006 that involved 15 members and associates and centered mainly around gambling and loansharking. And another last year that involved 2 associates and a point shaving scheme.

In terms of the modern day Detroit mob, there are probably less than 30 members now, not including associates. It is said to still control the bookmaking in the region (either directly or indirectly through taxing unaffliated bookies) and gets a share of loansharking and high stakes card games in the city. And there are still some interests in legitimate businesses. But that's pretty much it. There isn't really any significant involvement in narcotics or labor racketeering at this point. It's a relatively small family at this point and is rather tight-knit, with many members being related by blood.

I should also point out that the Middle Eastern bookies in the city, mostly Chaldeans, work with or for the Italian mob and have done so for a very long time.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/10 05:28 AM

Some reading on the most recent Detroit mob cases -

March 1996 - 17 members and associates indicted
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/casestudies/gamtax.htm
http://www.forensic-intelligence.org/mob/40062.htm

March 2006 - 15 members and associates indicted
http://www.udmercy.edu/news_events/inthenews/March%2006/3-5-06_tocco.pdf
http://www.newcriminologist.com/news.asp?nid=1224

May 2009 - 2 associates indicted
http://detroit.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel09/de050609.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2009-05-06-toledo-points-shaving-indictment_N.htm
Posted By: Lilo

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/10 10:15 AM

Thank you.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/10 01:27 PM

The current list that i will type out today or tommorrow that i have comprised is from known associates,news stories, people i met or heard about when i was living in Detroit for a period of time,working with them legitatemately,any other place i can find accurate info,etc.
The List I have of non deceased confirmed "MADE" soldiers in Detroit is close to 100 names,Plus 5-10 capos and the Hierarchy and i have heard estimates of 200-500 close Associates some of which have probabably been "made" and are not on the F.B.I. RADAR yet.Also you have probably a dozen guys retired so they say.
I believe if your not in the family u will never know there true size and then u may not either if your and underling.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/10 01:32 PM

My Capeci estimates came right out of his book printed in 2002.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/10 01:33 PM

WE:THE MOTOR CITY
Posted By: Lilo

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/10 03:44 PM

Anything is possible Lucasi. I don't think anyone here has first hand insider's knowledge. smile

But even very very broadly defined Metro Detroit (the city proper and several of the outlying counties) only has somewhere between 4 and 5 million people. NYC alone has over 8 million. That's almost as many people as the entire State of Michigan. So I just find it hard to believe that such a relatively small area with a shrinking and shifting economy would be able to support such a large active Family of 100 made men with 2 to 5 times that number of associates. Most of the information with which I'm familiar seems to indicate a very small hub of active family members with relatively modest businesses/illegal activities by NY standards. 30~40 guys seems more likely.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/10 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Lucasi
My Capeci estimates came right out of his book printed in 2002.


So it was probably written in 2001, right? Almost ten years ago.

Ten years is a lifetime in correlation to the modern mob and it's decline.
Posted By: ibarramedia

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/15/10 05:30 PM

This is very interesting inside info.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/16/10 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: Lucasi
The current list that i will type out today or tommorrow that i have comprised is from known associates,news stories, people i met or heard about when i was living in Detroit for a period of time,working with them legitatemately,any other place i can find accurate info,etc.
The List I have of non deceased confirmed "MADE" soldiers in Detroit is close to 100 names,Plus 5-10 capos and the Hierarchy and i have heard estimates of 200-500 close Associates some of which have probabably been "made" and are not on the F.B.I. RADAR yet.Also you have probably a dozen guys retired so they say.
I believe if your not in the family u will never know there true size and then u may not either if your and underling.




Whatever list you have, you have no way of verifying everyone on that list is a made member. Once again, the FBI itself had the Detroit family at around 30 members 15 years ago. There is nothing you can say that is going to carry more weight than that. Furthermore, the lack of consistent mob activity in Detroit - as shown in indictments - is at least indirect evidence that the family does not have anywhere near 100 members.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/16/10 03:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Lucasi
My Capeci estimates came right out of his book printed in 2002.


Here is an article he wrote for New York Magazine in 2005 - three years after that book.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/crimelaw/features/10870/

But even those figures are now somewhat out of date. When it comes to membership estimates, it's best to go with the average estimate from as many sources as possible. The avergae estimates for the Genovese and Gambino families is around 200. The Luccheses, Colombos, and Bonannos a little over 100 each.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/16/10 05:48 AM

Until this week's arrests, the Metro Detroit crime family had remained largely intact, with more than 100 associates and 29 "made members," or those who took an oath of allegiance through blood letting.
http://www.forensic-intelligence.org/mob/40062.htm


For at least 30 years the Detroit Family of the La Cosa Nostra (LCN) was an extremely active criminal enterprise consisting of approximately 30 "made members" and between 200 and 300 associates.
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/casestudies/gamtax.htm
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/16/10 11:25 PM

I added my Detroit LCN "Soldiers" to my original list of Hierarchy and added a few Capos that i thought were "Soldiers". These i have comprised i believe to be "MADE".They may not all be but guarantee most of them are.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/16/10 11:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Lucasi
I added my Detroit LCN "Soldiers" to my original list of Hierarchy and added a few Capos that i thought were "Soldiers". These i have comprised i believe to be "MADE".They may not all be but guarantee most of them are.


You have over 100 guys on that chart. The feds had them at no more than 30 made members a decade and a half ago. If you were to say those are names of both members and associates, that's one thing. But they are obviously all not made and you are not in any position to "guarantee" they are.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/17/10 11:15 AM

IVy League:U think u know it all.?Does the FBI know all?Hell No. Or every LCN member/Outlaw would be behind bars.Just like them thinkn the Genovese Boss was 10-12 differnt individuals over a span of years till they realized it was "The Chin".Hell alot of the Other New York families didnt even know as "The Chin" would send the "FIGUREHEAD" to the Commission meeting.
Most of the list has been researched and i "GUARANTEE" u can find info that 75-100% of my list are "MADE".I have so many known Associates that if i would have wanted to i could have filled 3 pages of names but only put down the ones i have researched,etc.Do u ever admit to being possibly wrong?
I grew up around this,worked around it and have kept close eye on the Mob Scene for 25+ years.My Lineage will keep me forever intrigued with LCN but the TRUTH is u dont know and i dont know who is "Made" in the D.I got many LCN books where alot of my info came from,news,internet,word of mouth,ETC.
Plus all are Detroit LCN family members are not staioned in Detroit as there in Canada,Ohio,New York,Philadelphia,etc.
U have Enough Family members in the Detroit LCN to equal more than 30"made" guys.?My Opionion.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/17/10 08:49 PM

The list kinda seems like its more a role call of Detroit mobsters , like a full roster of every known affiliate past & present.
As opposed to a current chart of active soldier's, capo's & admin.
Its like, in NY there's a new story every other week about some beleagured Capo or obscure soldier,
there's always some half-ass wiseguy with another hair-brained scheme. There's really not that much news coming from Detroit is there?
How are these hundred-odd guys getting away with it all?

I think IvyLeague's posted pretty much all the reliable material on the Detroit families.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/17/10 09:46 PM

Okay, so i know that its not exactly everybody's main area of interest, but... ive managed to compile a crude chart of the most active & prominent Calabrian-Australian criminals.
Every name on the list has been charged with recent crimes ranging from extortion, arson, murder &, their bread & butter, drugs. Google any one of the names (search w/Australia) & you can read up yourself. I have compiled my chart through various news articles, Australian true-crime books & similar research online. Remember that Ndrangheta structure is much more autonomous & "horizontal" then Cosa Nostra Families & their rigid rankings, & is very much enmeshed in blood relations. Every name on the list can be linked to at least one of the other names, in most cases more, & several figures maintain direct links to Calabria & Calabrian Ndrina:

GRIFFITH, NSW
Domenic Barbaro
Pasquale "Pat" Barbaro
Pasquale "Pat" Sergi
Franceso "Frank" Sergi
Severino Zirilli

MILDURA, NSW
Vincenco "Vince" Medici
Matteo "Matt" Medici

MELBOURNE, VIC
Francesco "Frank" Madafferi
Pino Varallo
Nicola Ciconte
Michael Calleja

SHEPPARTON, VIC
Vincent Paul Lattore
Vince Mantovani
Guisseppe Campisi

ADELAIDE, SA
Carmelo Falanga
Severino Scarponi
Antonio Di Pietro
Carmelo Loprete

Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/17/10 09:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Lucasi
IVy League:U think u know it all.?Does the FBI know all?Hell No. Or every LCN member/Outlaw would be behind bars.Just like them thinkn the Genovese Boss was 10-12 differnt individuals over a span of years till they realized it was "The Chin".Hell alot of the Other New York families didnt even know as "The Chin" would send the "FIGUREHEAD" to the Commission meeting.
Most of the list has been researched and i "GUARANTEE" u can find info that 75-100% of my list are "MADE".I have so many known Associates that if i would have wanted to i could have filled 3 pages of names but only put down the ones i have researched,etc.Do u ever admit to being possibly wrong?
I grew up around this,worked around it and have kept close eye on the Mob Scene for 25+ years.My Lineage will keep me forever intrigued with LCN but the TRUTH is u dont know and i dont know who is "Made" in the D.I got many LCN books where alot of my info came from,news,internet,word of mouth,ETC.
Plus all are Detroit LCN family members are not staioned in Detroit as there in Canada,Ohio,New York,Philadelphia,etc.
U have Enough Family members in the Detroit LCN to equal more than 30"made" guys.?My Opionion.


This isn't about whether I'm sometimes wrong or not. This is about the information the FBI has vs. what you have. And you're not the first to bring up the whole Chin/Fat Tony thing as an attempt to put doubt on the feds in favor of your own opinions.

Bottom line, if the FBI says the family had no more than 30 members 15 years ago, that should be enough for you. And on top of that, there is indirect evidence in the form of there only being two mob-related cases in Detroit over the past decade. In other places where there are 100 members, or even half that, there has been much more mob activity. And though you might want to believe otherwise, the Detroit family isn't just extra smart or careful to avoid law enforcement scrutiny. There just isn't that much activity there because the family isn't as big as you want to believe.

End of story.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/18/10 11:33 AM

I know the "Gospel" according to the FBI and Ivy League is word.Thats what the LCN wants the FBI and Mob Watchers to believe.
Just cause we have only 2 known Newspaper bust doesnt mean $$$ arent flowing into the coffer or why would they risk it?We have 1 known "MADE" informant since the formation of "The Partnership"-Nove Tocco whom helped the Feds with the 1996 "Operation game tax" bust and look what they got.A few years out of the "Underboss"-Anthony "Joey Z" Zerilli and the other 16 or so defendants practically scated including the "Boss" who only did a year because underlings are not told something unless needed even family which Nove Tocco was related to both the Boss and Underboss,etc.If this was a New York family that was involved with the main plot around Hoffa or something somebody would have allready spettegolared and brought that story to a fabled close.
Also u tell Me which Family in the last Century had a Boss for 40+ years and now one that is going on30+years and kept there family so "Bloodline" oriented.-NONE.Most DetroitLCN have at least 1 relation in the family also.
MUch more mob activity doesnt mean more members.Somebody would be a scemo to think that.?It means more feds are watchn so they know more,more arrusos talkin about possible or bygone activity,and stupider schemes to make $$ that they constantly get busted for so it seems like theres mobsters all over when really u just got all the same guys chasin the same$$.Someone will get busted and tell about a Murder or something that happened 30 years ago that makes headlines to get out of trouble and that makes more OLD news.Solution:All these busones need to shut up"Omerta" and u wouldnt have as many LCN court cases.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/18/10 12:01 PM

These are not all LCN DETROIT guys from the past and present.I could give you 100s of stories and pics of long deceased members of the Detroit Partnership/Combination.
Every name i have listed are still alive/active as far as i know.?Most of them when i would read something about em i would try to research to see if they had passed.
Hell u got numerous deceased Bommaritos,Toccos,Zerillis,Corrados,Vitales,etc that go back almost a century.Many of the Detroit LCN were "Purple Gang" members before the Combination was formed or worked for Adamo,Big Chet Lamare and other short lived HEADS of family like Salvatore Catalanotte,Gianolla brothers,etc.
I See alot of Detroit LCN list even Scott Burnsteins on the net that show Members still listed that are long deceased like Ronald"Hollywood Ronnie" Morelli,Bernard "Bernie the Hammer" Marchesani,etc.This chart i posted was started in 2008 and is noway shape or form a role call of Detroit Mafia Past and present.I havent got all day to type names.Where would i start?Adamo,"Purple Gang",Michael "Big Mike" Polizzi,Giovani"Papa John" Priziola,Henry Hilf,Rafaelle Quassarano,Tony Ciulla?LOL.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/18/10 09:32 PM

A few years out of the what? Spettegolared? Scemo? Arrusos? What's Italian & what're misspellings? Im pretty sure Busone means champion homo or something...?
I for one totally agree with the idea that there are still mobsters operating completely under the radar, but dude, that's so many guys on that list! Even if they are/were all "connected", how many of 'em would inactive, shelved, dead (i notice you've got a few dead guys on the list) etc. I mean, you got guys like Joe Barbara Jr. on the list, and im pretty certain he hasn't been doing things for years. & he's not the only one.

I could say something like, nothing for nothing, when i first started posting here i had my own big ideas about the Families, who they were & what they did, & personally, have learnt more in the last 6 months then i had in six years, but that would be a little big-headed for a guy who's pretty much still a noob himself, eh?

Interesting post though. I have seen that list before, but most of the reliable sites post a highly edited version, with about three-quarters of those names.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/19/10 10:51 AM

Arruso:Asshole
Spettegolare:Tattle or add a d to the end and its tatttled.
Scemo:dumb person or persons.
Sconsigliare:Advise against
Busone:Fag
I may be new to this site out of the 1000s on the net but i certainly aint new to the LCN or other Mafia news/info sites as 4 generations of my family have kept me intrigued living around it,family associated with it-legitamately,etc.Also as my lineage is part Italian but on MY mothers side i have met many and have family most who are deceased that were gangsters-especially during prohibition and onward.Most people on here cant even say they have seen a mobster in person let alone known any.
I did State Prison time with "Tony Jack" Giacalone who is passed now in Michigan and his Prisoncell was a small trailer that he had brought in.It was turned into the prisoner store after his release at Egler Facilty,Jackson,Mi.
Also did time with a few Toccos that are low rank Detroit LCN in the 90s.
Also Joe Barbara Jr is a High Ranking "Old Guard" member of the Detroit LCN and is said to be a Capo with a descent crew.

Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/19/10 08:27 PM

Holy Hell! A poster on a mafia message board who claims to be connected? Incredible! I have never heard of such a thing before!
(cough)

Ahem. Anyway, what's it like, bunkin' with Tony Jack?
Seriously though, you kinda type like a dude in jail.
Or a kid. (Maybe a kid in jail? Ah ha ha aw sorry mate im just breakin' balls) Funnily enough, even if such were true, i think you'd be hard pressed actually convincing people to believe it.

At least now i understand what you meant by Jerry Capeci being an "outsider". As a veteran investigative reporter with several sources on all sides of the law, i would have considered him an "insider", but of course you mean "outsider" as in he's not a gangster, and being as you are one, or on the periphery of such, you are an "insider". I get it now.

Anyway, I think there's a bunch of guys like Barbara Jr. in a lot of families,like an older generation of elder mafia statesmen, the guys that made their bones and came up in the 40's, 50's & 60's with the heavy-weights. Its like, their sheer age makes for them being practically shelved for all intents & purposes, but still deserving of respect are entitled to a "pension", ie - a steady book, game, no-show etc & remaining a part of the social club scenery. And thats not mentioning all those actually shelved & "retired", forcibly or otherwise.

Dom Moceri, New York Johnny Cussamano, Potato Chip Pete D'Angelo & a lot of the other coloful nicknames definitly appear on lists, but circa. 85 and earlier. Even for those made at that time, RICO fucks mobsters shit up.
But, ah, what're you gonna do? Assholes & opinions, eh? We all got 'em!
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/20/10 12:07 PM

NOONE said i was connected- just cause i did time with "Tony Jack" at the same state prison at the same time doesnt mean i am connected.
I couldnt have bunked with em because he had enough pull at the time to have a mini office trailer brought in that was his personal cell{If u would have read my 1stpost instead of talkin emme instantly then u would realize i didnt say i bunked with him,etc,also all this info about Giacalone and his State prison time can be confirmed and i can confirm my time and locations by my prison#,FBI#. Just cause u do business with Supposive LCN members or work at a legitatamate business they may own doesnt make u a wiseguy or associated in how your suggesting.Im not a finook-Egler facilty at the time was single cells-4 galleries high and Giacalones trailer was outside near 3 block-Jackson.
Robert Deniro and Edward Norton have a movie coming out this year called "Stone" that all prison scenes,etc were shot at EGLER Prison on Cooper st the same place i did time with Giacalone.Hillary Swank also has a movie coming out that was shot partially at the same location.
Also Did time with Rick"WHITE BOY RICK" Wersche who was a major Kilo player in the Detroit area before he was 18.Kid Rock has sang about em in tunes and he was definitely connected and a snitch now,Dr.Jack Kevorkian was housed at Kinross Correctional facilty when iwas there in 1999 and this is all State prisons none of them are Federal housing.
An Outsider in the means Jerry Capecis Italian but would rather tell everything he can find out about LCN.U can find them members on list from Detroit LCN circa1985 but u can also find SOME of the guys i listed on list from 2007-2010.If i havent read they been retired,put on a shelf,whacked or passed away i still consider them "Made" members of the Detroit LCN.Everyone i listed i have checked before to see if they were deceased.There may be a few i have screwed up on who has died lately but who doesnt.?If your so sure investigate them to see if there all/most dead.Capisce?
I received An Associates Degree in "Business Management" while incarcerated but thanx for telln me i write like a prisoner.Whats the main Mafia family in Ausralia?Is there ANY?Or just Street Gangs.
Posted By: Lucasi

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/20/10 09:51 PM

I have added about 12-15 Wiseguys to my compiled list of men i believe to be "MADE" in the Detroit L.C.N.
Not all of them our confirmed but i have read enough info and heard enough to make me lean towards them being more than mere "Associates".
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/20/10 10:22 PM

Great, now i just feel like an asshole.
A really good friend of mine served a few years a while ago, and i am the last guy who'd want to detract from your accomplishments while incarcerated. It's seems hard enough just to deal with being locked up, let alone actually better yourself. I was not suggesting your gay, by "bunking with" i was breaking balls, saying you must really have some insight from apparently spending so much time with him.

Originally Posted By: Lucasi

An Outsider in the means Jerry Capecis Italian but would rather tell everything he can find out about LCN.

By "Italian but would rather tell everything" you seem to be implying that a true Italian wouldnt want to expose Cosa Nostra? And see it gone?
I would strongly disagree with that. Also, agree to disagree on your "list" rather then insisting on your way.

This comes all the time. There's no mobsters in Australia! Beer, shrimp and barbies mofo! Das it!
Rather then argue the point, im going to tell you to google some information on the Ndrangheta, Calabrian-Australian criminals & really, some of the names on the list above!
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/20/10 10:26 PM

That is if your interested of course! If your not, then dont! Who cares!
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/23/10 12:23 PM

Ok so anyway; the MIlwaukee "Family", eh? Does anyone have a reliable idea of what might be going on there? Its a hard one to follow, with a lot of opinions. The most common list, which im pretty certain is culled from RealDeal, was previously posted in this thread and goes something like:

Boss: Joseph P. "Joe Camel" Caminiti
Underboss: Joseph P. "Joey Bal" Balistrieri
Consigliere: Peter "Pitch" Picciurro
Acting Consigliere: John "Johnny Bal" Balistrieri

Captain: Dennis "Libby" Librizzi
Captain: Angelo "Big Angelo" Alioto
Captain: Ricco "The Killer" Bono

...and a whole crap-load of supposed soldiers, usually some 20 to 25 names.

But are they really still doing things? If so, then really with that many guys? Because there is a distinct lack of recent charges & crimes to speak of.

Joe Camel Caminiti is the supposed boss, but there is even less information freely available on him then Vincent LoScalzo, which says that, as like LoScalzo, he's either ridiculously cautious, not doing much or simply not doing any thing. I must admit though, there;s a lack of info dating right back to his days as Frank's underboss, so maybe he's doing something right? (as right as a mobster can get, that is)

One Dennis "Libby" Librizzi seems reasonably well known, ostensibly as the owner of "Libby's Lounge", a seemingly well known bar. He is at times obtusely referred to as a "character". Alioto is considered by some sources to be inactive at 85 years or older & there's squat i can find on Ricco Bono. Most of that information i got from Milwaukeeworld.com, a local site.

the most detailed documents i could find in relation to Joey Bal are dated 1985, like this (& he is only a peripheral concern in this particular file, a court document relating to Union impropriety); Interesting, but dense:
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/910/910.F2d.1357.89-1906.html

A typical example of unsubstantiated claims on the Milwaukee Mafia, made by a myriad different authors on the myriad different mob sites: http://members.fortunecity.com/sosdie/mob/family/milwaukee/milwaukee.htm

Now am i really just looking in all the wrong places? Because i tend to come to the conclusion that of the 30-odd names on the most referenced list, there is considerably less then a third actually active. Of course, i may be wrong - but it seems very likely. There is an abundance of info on Balistrieri Sr, the "man who put Milwaukee on the (mafia's)
map", but scarcely any on his sons & supposedly strong Family. Did it basically disolve with his death? Google any of the names on the list, and the only reference to them is the list itself.

Easily the most prominent Balistrieri these days is Frank's eldest daughter Bennadetta, & her endeavour to get a piece of her father's supposed fortune. But according to her brothers & younger sister, since she apparently "dumped" & ran out on the family some 20 years ago she isn't entitled to squat, even if (wink, wink) there was a fortune, which there isn't! Shades of Janice Soprano or what? http://www.milwaukeemagazine.com/currentIssue/full_feature_story.asp?NewMessageID=18817
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/23/10 11:34 PM

There is nowhere close to 30 members left in Milwaukee. Not even 20. And I'd be willing to bet not even 10 at this point. The vast majority of those names you see floating around on "Milwaukee charts" have never been verified and I wouldn't be surprised if many of them were bogus or at least not made guys at all. There's a reason why there hasn't been a mob case out of Milwaukee in about 25 years.

The only two families in the Midwest that have those kind of numbers and are even considered viable by the FBI are Chicago and Detroit. In Cleveland and Kansas City you've got maybe 10 members left. In Milwaukee and St. Louis it's most likely under 5 left at this point.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/23/10 11:37 PM

Thank you, Ivy. I don't think there are 30 Italians left in Milwaukee, let alone made guys lol.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/24/10 12:45 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Thank you, Ivy. I don't think there are 30 Italians left in Milwaukee, let alone made guys lol.


I'm continually shocked at the places some people think there are still viable mob families left. I got into one debate with a guy who insists there is still a family in Rockford, Illinois.

Now much of this comes down to differentiating mob activity from a mob family. There can still be mob activity in a certain area but that doesn't necessarily mean there is still a formally structured, viable family left.

And from there the argument comes down to how does one define a mob family. The way I see it, it's got to have the traditional structure of an administration, captains, and soldiers. This is hard when you've got maybe 10 or less guys left in a given area and it's not much more than a crew.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/24/10 05:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

...and a whole crap-load of supposed soldiers, usually some 20 to 25 names...

But are they really still doing things? If so, then really with that many guys? Because there is a distinct lack of recent charges & crimes to speak of.

Now am i really just looking in all the wrong places? Because i tend to come to the conclusion that of the 30-odd names on the most referenced list, there is considerably less then a third actually active. Of course, i may be wrong - but it seems likely. There is an abundance of info on Balistrieri Sr, the "man who put Milwaukee on the (mafia's)
map", but scarcely any on his sons & supposedly strong Family. Did it basically disolve with his death? Google any of the names on the list, and the only reference to them is the list itself.



& so it was indeed a valid opinion.
Nothing for nothing, i did not expect a viable family operating, despite the lists floating around naming so many men.
Like many such charts, i tend to see them more a roll call of members over the last 20 to 30 odd years, rather than an actual chart, as such.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 03/24/10 11:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica
& so it was indeed a valid opinion.
Nothing for nothing, i did not expect a viable family operating, despite the lists floating around naming so many men.
Like many such charts, i tend to see them more a roll call of members over the last 20 to 30 odd years, rather than an actual chart, as such.


For the record, I wasn't implying that you believe there is still a family in Milwaukee. Just that there are more than a few out there who have outated notions of the mob today. You made a good point about the list of Milwaukee members having no reference other than itself. There is a reason for that just as there is a reason why there has been no mob bust there in decades.
Posted By: bobolini

Providence Memories - 07/09/10 01:15 PM

Never forget Joe Barbato Sr. He was one of the toughest and most respected men on Federal Hill. He only used his strength and power towards the ones who deserved it. He never went after the good guys, no matter what offers he got.

His last daughter born, is as crazy as strong as his first son born. Felicia and Richard. Two good people who many mistake as criminals. They mostly set up, by getting even to whoever hurt them or disrespected them, but the two smartest kids and toughest kids Joe ever had. I believe his daughter is a registered 4th degree blackbelt champion retired fighter, who I personally have watched fight, and never lost, just like her father, and Richard is still a great man who Feds are always trying to set up on something that he didnt do, and spoke to someone, to scare them, and has been set up. Richard is a very respected Soldier - Sworn in after Joe's death in June 2010... He protects Joe's wife and daughter deeply now.

Never forget the Barbato family. They grew up with Patriarca, Manocchio,Deluca, and Sciarra Family, on the same block. Robert was the Brains. Joe was the strength. Both were dedicated to their family and put them before anyone or anything....

They were the brains and strength, and both highly respect men.

Joe Barbato Jr. will always be remembered as a good man. He put his family before anything and turned every offer down, and was respected more for that.

In this photo are the originals, taken at the Barbato Cigar Shop on Federal Hill on March, 1956
Louie Manocchio and his brother, Junior Patriarca, BoBo, and in the center is Joe Barbato Jr. - White Sports jacket. I'm not sure who else is in here. Maybe someone else can help me out on that.



Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 07/30/10 09:35 PM

You may have to update the charts a little with regards to KC. They do have a structured family, and more than 10 made members, they are a very low key bunch and about 75% legit, but they have new members who are in their early twentys, the Sansone brothers, charlie simone, Buddalaca they are not the power they were before 1980, but they are bouncing back slowly and smartly. Willie Cammisano sr. made abot 15 guys in 1989 just before Tony Civella was released from prison, they were young guys then so they would be mid 40s now. There starting to get some movement into the unions, especially local 41 as well as some play in the river boat gambiling casino's. 10 members were arrested recently after a 1 1/2 year investigation for illegal gambiling. Another member was just indicted for trafficing in conterfit goods last week. After breaking away from Chicago outfit in the mid 80 KC expanded into Colorado, Washington DC, Florida and Texas and maintainted some operations in Las Vegas. They own the adult entertainment business in KC all of them. Some of the old timers are dying off with the death of Frank Tousa and Nick Palmentere this year.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 07/31/10 07:17 AM

There are certainly still some members in Kansas City left, as well as young guys who are related to them. But I don't think the FBI really recognizes a viable, formally structured family there anymore. The recent gambling bust was the first mob-related case in years. And only one or two of them were identified as being made members. And, while it just may be my opinion, I don't think whatever is left there has the resources to have significant criminal operations in multiple states. Nor do I think they would have been able to make as many as 15 guys in the late 80's.

Is this the recent case from last week you were referring to?

http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/luna.ind.htm
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 07/31/10 06:10 PM

Hi Ivy,

actually the information on the made men came from an FBI affidavate stating that in 1987 William Cammisano Sr. acting boss made as many as 12 men, I used to have a copy of it but I cant find it. There have been several inditements since the late 80's but the FBI is very hesitant to use the words organized crime in this town because they are so proud of their work in the strawman case and their ascersion that they have eliminated the mob from KC for good. The recent arrests of 10 men started in March I will try and find the links, there was an inditement this past week of a member for trafficing in conterfit merchandise over 400,000.

Here are some of the links

http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/dicapo.ple2.htm
http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/dicapo.ple.htm
http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/cammisano.ind.htm
http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/civella.ple.htm
http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/cammisano.ple.htm
http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/sansone.ple.htm
http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/simone.ple.htm

In addition there was the Lincoln town car full of dynamite that was used to blow up part of the Belfonte Ice Cream plant because of Nick gambling debt to the mob in the mid 90's.

In the mid 2000's you had the utility company and the credit card scam arrests involving local members and members of the gambino family, where they were using a local utility company as a way to scam money off the bill and through credit card charges.

John Calia a soldier was convicted for drug trafficing in recent years and both Anthony and Joe Porrello were convicted in the tivol robbery in 2001 for 2.1 million in jewerly, they were the masterminds and organizers. Both are members and Anthony is a capo.

John Mandacina a soldier was convicted of murdering a federal witness and is doing life, this happened in around 2005 i believe.

You have the unsolved murder of Charles Cammisano the newphew of William Cammisano and the unsolved murder of of William Cammisano's grandson which occured in 2004 and 2007.

They have a guy now in the teamsters local 41, Ben Palmentere, so they are slowly beginning to get back some union influence. They control the unions that control the local food chains and have major controls in the Passantino brothers applemart chains and the Constantino brothers price chopper chains.

The have members on the Jackson County sports authority which controls the actions involving the stadiums including awarding of constuction contracts. The former County executive Catherine Shields, is married to the son of Tiger Cardarella and whom has strong associations. They have people in the county and local goverments but have not been able to make strong efforst into the police departments but do have some local judges who are favorable.

However let me say this, are they the crew that was in operation in the 60's and 70's no, they are not close to that. The mob in this town even in the Civella era was hard to get information on because they are almost all blood related in the inner circle. They have always been low key and they are to this day very low key, they are about 80% legitamate and 20% illegal in their activities. They are using more sophisicated methods of operation and rely heavily on the local black gangs and mexican gangs for their drug trafficing and "wet" work.

As for other states, Ribaste still controls remaning interests in Vegas, most recently involving Binion, and some car lots and pawn shops. I do know they have a few people working in Denver with the family there, they own and operate Bazokka's show girls here in town a high end strip club. The Civella sons have interests in the valley in cali in the porn industry.

There not the gambino's nor are they even the crew they were before but they are more than just a few old guys hanging around. They are stronger now than they were in the late 80's. They have a structure, boss, under boss, capos and soldiers.

One thing you should be aware of, having lived here all my life and growing up in the NE I grew up in and around these guys and I can tell you there has never been a lot of indictments and arrests even back when uncle nick was running the show, off topic, I used to go into the fruit market which was in the farmers market area where nick civella had his "office". He would always give me some fruit for free, tell me to call him uncle nick and then tell me to be a good boy and do good in school, he was always such a nice man, didn't have a clue at the age just how "nice" he was LOL. My point even in the highlight of their power, they didn't make the news a lot. Again not saying they are a powerful outfit like they were, just saying their more than just 10 old timers hanging out.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/01/10 08:02 AM

First, thanks for the info you have provided. Second, as I said before, I don't doubt there are still members, as well as associates, active in Kansas City. Though there doesn't seem to be much evidence of the formally structured family you describe beyond a few charts floating around on the internet. A poster on another board did some research on the names and at least most of them are mob-related guys in Kansas City. However, it's been a long time since any kind of an official chart has been put out by the feds or any kind of a structure has been alluded to in news articles. Just the odd guy here or there being identified as a member or related to past members.

Are you sure Calia was busted for drugs recently? The last one I'm aware of was back in the early 1990's. The Tivol Jewels robbery was 13 years ago now. The murder Mandacina was convicted for happened 20 years ago and he had been appealing it for years since. It appears Charles Cammisano was killed by his ex-wife over domestic disputes. I believe the Palmenteres sold their trucking and vending business back in the mid-1990's and they aren't listed as officials or anything with IBT Local 41. Peter Ribaste was put on the Nevada gaming exclusion list back in the late 1990's, around the time of his conviction for tax evasion. I believe Bazookas is owned by Dick Snow, though a competing club called the Shady Lady is owned by Joe Spinello and has mob ties. Civella's sons were involved in the porn business in California about 20 years ago. I don't know about now. There is no family left in Denver to work with. Obviously the billing company the Gambinos were using had nothing to do with the mob in Kansas City. Again, the only recent conterfeit merchandise bust I can find is this one - http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/luna.ind.htm - and it involved over $48,000 in goods, not $400,000. Of the two guys involved, one of them (Brent Luna) could be Italian but he's only 25 and I doubt he's a made guy, if he's connected at all.

Like I said, there are obviously still members and associates in Kansas City. But a formally structured, viable family? Doubtful. And I'd be willing to bet the number of remaining members there 10 or 12. Maybe 15 at most. Basically guys who are obstensibly legitimate, as well as others who are involved in the mob staple of gambling and maybe some side action with drugs, robberies, etc.

Comments by ex-law enforcement after the recent gambling bust sums things up.

"What’s accused here is exactly what Kansas City mob figures were convicted of a generation ago,” said retired FBI agent Jeff Lanza. “However, on its face, it doesn’t represent a resurgence of the Kansas City mob to anything near what they were in our city’s past.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/11/90229/out-of-the-mob-past-of-kansas.html


William Ouseley, a retired FBI agent who has written about organized crime in Kansas City, says that recent indictments do not signal that La Cosa Nostra is making a comeback. During the Q&A portion, Ouseley was asked about the Mafia's current state. Ouseley, who spent 21 years investigating organized crime, downplayed the recent breakup of an illegal sports betting operation. "There are wannabes out there," he said.
http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2010/04/form...of_wannabes.php
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/03/10 01:13 AM

"Again,the only recent conterfeit merchandise bust I can find is this one - http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/luna.ind.htm - and it involved over $48,000 in goods, not $400,000. Of the two guys involved, one of them (Brent Luna) could be Italian but he's only 25 and I doubt he's a made guy, if he's connected at all."

This has nothing to do with the indictment I am talking about. Okay once again here is the link for the conterfit operation

http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2010/dicapo.ple.htm

"It appears Charles Cammisano was killed by his ex-wife over domestic disputes."

See your just reading the newspaper clippings, the murder is unsolved, no one has every been charged with the murder. Cammisano's grandson phil corbet was murdered in his front yard no one has ever been charged. Here is the link to that this was in 2004 I believe.

http://www.pitch.com/2005-01-06/news/badda-bam/

http://www.pitch.com/2005-01-06/news/badda-bam/2

"I believe the Palmenteres sold their trucking and vending business back in the mid-1990's"

They sold there trucking business, but they just opened up Palmentare brothers coin operated vending on armour road.

"Peter Ribaste was put on the Nevada gaming exclusion list back in the late 1990's, around the time of his conviction for tax evasion."

And what the fuck does that have to do with anything I said, never said he was involved in casino's. I said he was taking care of business which were started and operate with mob money, this includes pawn shops and car lots.

"I believe Bazookas is owned by Dick Snow"

Hmmm, and just who would Dick Snow be, you know I live in this town and i might just know a little more than you. Bazookas is owned by Scope Pictures out of Denver Co. See link from secretary of states office. This is a company that the KC mob aquired in the 80's.

https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?1727357

Now of the other clubs located in kansas city Diamond Joes, is owned by Joe Mandacina, Totally nude temptations, barely legal, club pure and the cigar box are owned by Peter Ribaste through his niece Diane Ribaste, his brother Louis and another dude that I cant think of his name at the moment and through the mob attorney Richard T. Bryant who shows on the registration for most adult establishments, including the show, gerrys silver slipper, and yes your right the Shady Lady is owned by Joe Spinello and has mob ties.

"Civella's sons were involved in the porn business in California about 20 years ago,I don't know about now"

Well I do since I own 3 adult entertainment facilities.

"Obviously the billing company the Gambinos were using had nothing to do with the mob in Kansas City".

How do you think some Gambino soldiers are going to have any enroads into Casstel which is in cass county missouri, which is in Harrisonville/Peculiar without someone from KC setting this up. By the way William Cammisano Sr. lives in Harrisonville, the only member not to live north of the river.


"Like I said, there are obviously still members and associates in Kansas City. But a formally structured, viable family? Doubtful."

Do you work for the FBI, how do you get your informatio, just curious.

And I'd be willing to bet the number of remaining members there 10 or 12. Maybe 15 at most. Basically guys who are obstensibly legitimate, as well as others who are involved in the mob staple of gambling and maybe some side action with drugs, robberies, etc.

“However, on its face, it doesn’t represent a resurgence of the Kansas City mob to anything near what they were in our city’s past.”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/11/90229/out-of-the-mob-past-of-kansas.html

Using your own quote, he did not say there was not a resurgence of the mob in kansas city, he only said there was not a resurgence to the levels of the past.

"William Ouseley, a retired FBI agent who has written about organized crime in Kansas City, says that recent indictments do not signal that La Cosa Nostra is making a comeback. During the Q&A portion, Ouseley was asked about the Mafia's current state. Ouseley, who spent 21 years investigating organized crime, downplayed the recent breakup of an illegal sports betting operation. "There are wannabes out there," he said.
http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2010/04/form...of_wannabes.php

These wanna bes include made members in the organization, Joe Mortina, William Cammisano jr., Jerry Cammisano, Vincent Civella. Ouseley is an FBI hack who stands to gain by the appearance of no mob activity since his book details how he and his fellow strike force members "killed the mob in kansas city"

Its amazing to me that a person can get his information through internet research, yet down play and disregard information from a person living in the city and better yet living in the neighborhood and in one of the businesses that the mob operates in. Yeah I can see where you would know more than me since your here with "boots on the ground". Unless you have classified clearance and are a member of the FBI, I have to wonder about your sources.


Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/03/10 07:27 PM

Let me explain to you where I'm coming from. I've been on this OC forums for years now and I've had to be very careful about what information I believe because there are so many bullshitters on these boards. More than you might believe. But I also try not to ignore those who actually do have valid information. Don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. And over time, I've been able to get a certain sense of who's on the level, who's a phony, and who's perhaps mixing facts with fiction.

My history, i.e. background, where I live, etc. is about as far removed from the mob as one can be. So I do get most of my information from FBI reports, press releases, indictments, articles, books, etc. This has caused a lot of debates with the local "neighborhood guys" who believe they inherently know more on the subject because they're much closer to it, grew up around it, know certain people, etc. And in a lot of ways, that's certainly true. At least on a "micro-level." I'm more about the "macro-level" or the general, over all picture; which I believe I have as good or better handle on as anyone. Particularly in regards to the modern day LCN - 2000 to the present.

Now there is apparently a lot of specifics about Kansas City which you know, and which I'm not disputing. What I'm going on is the general, over all picture of the Kansas City mob from what I've gathered from the sources I mentioned. One thing that seems to be almost certain is that the FBI no longer recognizes a formally structured family there; though that doesn't mean there still aren't members and associates involved in organized crime. This same situation exists in a number of places where there is still mob activity without there really being a formally strucured, fully viable family left.

Now, as I mentioned before, there are some charts on different forums that list about 40 names for Kansas City. But they don't specify between made guys and associates, nor are some of the names independently verifiable, as they are on certain other family charts. You also have to take a look at the size of other families, or what's left of them, in the midwest. Chicago has about 50 members. Detroit has about 25 members. Cleveland has about 10 members. St. Louis has about 5 members. And I'm not sure if Milwaukee has any members left. Another factor I use is ongoing activity over the past decade or so. Going on what I can, I'm guessing Kansas City falls in somewhere between Detroit and Cleveland.

One should also remember that the FBI loves to go after La Cosa Nostra. They have decades of experience and in-house knowledge built up on the Italian-American mob. And typically the Mafia gets more press coverage than other OC groups. As long as there is something to go after in regards to LCN, the FBI likely will. But once even they have basically written a family off, that means you can pretty much take that to the bank.

In a report to the UN on the LCN about 10 years ago, it was said that New York was the only place where the mob was still a high priority for law enforcement. Obviously because there you are dealing with the five largest and most active families. It said there were still families in other cities, namely New England, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Detroit, but they are much smaller and are not considered as big of an OC threat. The report also listed the Miami/South Florida area as being an area where there is still considerable mob activity since the New York families have crews there.

As for the Gambinos, in the actual indictment, as well as all the articles, regarding the Locascio crew's scam, there has never been any mention of KC mob involvement. And I don't think we should just assume there was because part of it took place in Missouri. It's really not like the old days where the Gambinos would need to get permission.

Finally, are you saying you are one of Civella's sons?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/03/10 08:26 PM

Here's the info which a poster on another forum was able to dig up regarding Kansas City -
http://www.realdeal-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7926



Boss: John Joseph "Joe" Sciortino

Underboss: Peter Simone
- I found this incorporation record from 1975 for an Avenue Social Club in Kansas City where Peter Simone is the registered agent. The address listed is 4419 Sunrise in KCMO. I'm not sure if that is the actual address of the club or not, but is an interesting piece of the puzzle.

Simone operated Be Amused Vending Company, which he used to launder gambling income. The incorporation record is found here:

https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?256849


Deceased Boss: Anthony "Tony Ripes" Civella

Here is Anthony Civella's obit. Lots of familiar names mentioned. Check out the pallbearers at the end.

http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=16753972

"Anthony Thomas Civella Sr.
Anthony Thomas Civella, Sr., 75, Kansas City, MO, passed away Tuesday, February 14, 2006, in Phoenix, AZ, while enjoying a golfing vacation with family and friends. Funeral Mass will be 11 a.m., Monday, February 20, at St. Patrick Catholic Church, 1357 NE 42nd Terr., Kansas City, MO, 64116; entombment in Resurrection Mausoleum, Kansas City North. Visitation will be 3-9 p.m., Sunday, at Passantino Bros. Funeral Home, 2117 Independence Blvd., Kansas City, MO, 64124; where the rosary will be said at 6 p.m. The family requests no flowers. Tony was born in Kansas City, MO, on February 17, 1930, to Carl and Fannie Civella. He lived his entire life in the Kansas City area. On February 6, 1951, Tony married his childhood sweetheart, Molly DeLuna, and over the years fathered five children. Tony belonged to various organizations including the Tobacco Round Table. He owned several businesses and real estate during his life including restaurants and rental properties. Tony was devoted to his family, and was a man who liked to do things his own way. This trait endeared him to the people who knew him well and came to love him. Although he only fathered five children, Tony became a beloved father figure to many, many others. He was preceded in death by his parents, Carl and Fannie Civella; and son-in-law, John Sansone. Tony is survived by his wife of 55 years, Molly Civella; his children and their spouses, Carl and Bridget Civella, Nick A. Civella, Fanny-Jo Sansone, Vince and Savara Civella, Anthony T. Civella, Jr.; grandchildren, Molly Ann Civella, Stacie Civella, Tony Carl and Valerie Civella, Michael Sansone, Anthony Sansone, Anthony Joe Civella, Amalia Civella, Tony John Civella, Brianna Civella, Celia Civella, Zoe Stephens, Anthony T. Civella III, Francesca Civella, Spano Civella; great-grandchildren, Rianne Civella, Dante Civella, Nicolette Sansone; brother and sister-in-law, Carmen "Butch" and Barbara Civella; brothersin-law and sisters-in-law, Carl and Sandy DeLuna, Rosie and Ralph Siraguso, Frank and Sylvia DeLuna; and many nieces, nephews, cousins and friends, with a special mention and heartfelt thank you to his physician and close friend Dr. John Cascone. Pallbearers: Carl J. Civella, Sam Mirabile, Nick Palmentere, Peter J. Ribaste, Nick Simone, Vince Siraguso, Mark Sorrentino. Honorary Pallbearers: Bennie Palmentere, John Sciortino, Paul Silvio, Pete Tamburello, Paul Varsalona. (Arr: Passantino Bros. Funeral Home (816) 471-2844)
Published in the Kansas City Star from 2/18/2006 - 2/19/2006."

Link to Tony Ripes guestbook upon his death:

http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=16753972

There is a photo at the bottom of this post showing Tony Ripes and George Chiavola from 1959 with caption provided by whoever added the picture to the guestbook.



Capos:

1. William "Little Willie" Cammisano Jr.
- Obviously well known, many have speculated that Willie Jr. may in fact be running the KC family right now. Here is a link to interesting stories involving the Cammisano's that also mentions several other KC family figures:

http://www.pitch.com/2005-01-06/news/badda-bam/full

Willie's son Carlo Cammisano is co-owner of The Copa Room, an Italian restaurant in Kansas City. Willie's ex-wife Kathy Fiorello, Carlo's mother, run's the kitchen there. Here is a link to a story about the restaurant and another link that has a picture of Carlo and gives more family background information.(I don't know if Carlo is officially involved in the family business. I have seen no other mention of his name):

http://www.pitch.com/2004-08-19/dining/his-way/full


http://home.kc.rr.com/coparoom/history

Willie's cousin, Charles "Vito" Cammisano, has an obituary from this year that mentions the "lunch bunch." Charles was shot to death in front of his home in last fall. Family members believe it was his ex-wife Lettie Cammisano-Strait who killed him. She was arrested after a standoff along with her new husband. Charles was employed at a Northland car dealership. A picture of Charles and his ex-wife and the house he was murdered at can be found in the following two links:

http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/update-charles-v-cammisano-murder/

http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2007/09/03/charles-v-cammisano-murder-9107-riverside-mo/

"The Lunch Bunch: Jerry Cammisano, Joe "Red" Cervello, Joe Moretina, Sam Marsalla, Frank Marsalla, Mike Fasone, Sam Scola, Jack Ancona, Joe Vigliaturo, Vince Civella, Mike Garozzo, Mike Lombardo, Steve Morgan, and Anthony Scavuzzo."

Included in that list is at least one KC family member, and several VERY prominent local businessmen. I'm not sure if it means anything, but I want to keep the names handy for future reference. The full obituary can be found here:

http://www.legacy.com/KansasCity/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=93884108


More information that suggests the possibility of mob involvement from this story:

http://www.kctv5.com/news/14071259/detail.html

"This year, a neighbor said Strait told her, "the Italian mafia would take care of things."

Strait said, "I was married to the mob for 23 years. I went to prison for them. I kept my mouth shut. I wouldn't cooperate with federal officers."

KCTV5 reported Thursday night about the conviction about which she talked.

Friday, KCTV5 News found out that she and her co-conspirators were prosecuted by the Organized Crime Strike Force.

That drug trafficking case involved her, Cammisano and a Kansas City, Mo., fire captain."


Also, Charles Cammisano's niece Alaena Cammisano is the registered agent for Birdies Duffers Sports Bar in KC. I'm not sure if that means anything yet.

2. Vincent "Vince" Civella- Vince is involved as the registered agent for local home development company Coventry Court LLC. Note on the incorporation record linked below that Tony Ripe's son, Anthony Civella Jr. and the Antoinette Cammisano Trust (Antoinette was Willie "The Rat" Cammisano Sr.'s wife and Willie Cammisano Jr.'s mother.

https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?619361

Also, here is the link to the website for the home development of Coventry Court:

http://www.cbkc.com/communities/coventrycourt/


3. James Duardi[/b]- Contrary to some posts, Duardi is still alive. He actually was in the middle of a minor controversy in 2005 involving Jackson County Executive Kathryn Shields, who recently ran for Mayor unsuccessfully then got indicted. The link to that story is here:

http://www.pitch.com/2005-04-07/news/katheryn-the-grate/full

4. Angelo Porrello (IP)



Soldiers:

1. Salvatore Agrusa
- Sal owns Paramount Pest Control in KC. His incorporation record can be viewed here:

https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?620101

2. Joseph Barletta

3. Nathan "Nat" Brancato
- Brancato is the owner of Brancato's Catering, a very well known KC business.

I found this great story about a music festival put on in Sedalia by Sal and Nathaniel Brancato to deal drugs and launder KC Mafia money in 1974. It's long but pretty interesting. Sal and Nathaniel are related to Nat, just haven't firmed up how yet.

http://rodsievers.googlepages.com/ozarkmusicfestival

The Brancato family operated Fairyland Park, an amusement park open in Kansas City from 1923-1977 at 75th/Prospect.

4. John Calia (IP)- Here is a link to somrthing posted by Calia online from prison:

http://www.november.org/thewall/cases/calia-j/calia-j.html

5. Carlo Cavallaro

6. George Chiavola

7. John Costanza


8. John Cuezze- Cuezze's wife JoAnne is the official owner of Vivace, an Italian restaurant in the River Market. John Cuezze is listed as "staff" in an article in the Pitch. I hung out quite a bit for a while at the restaurant with co-owner Joe "JoJo" Amaro. JoJo was an acquaintance of a girl I worked with and ran with quite a bit, so we spent a lot of time over a six month period at the restaurant. I spent a few nights drinking with these guys afterhours at the restaurant. At the time I didn't know about John's involvement in the KC family, but looking back there was definitely that kind of vibe with these guys.

The following Pitch article talks about Vivace, and had a very interesting blurb I highlighted below.

http://www.pitch.com/2004-06-10/dining/cha-cha-vivace/full

"The neighborhood we now know as the River Market slowly went dead for a century, but it's experiencing a post-millennium renaissance, with expensive loft condominiums, an antique mall, snazzy little shops and the newest see-and-be-seen restaurant, Vivace. One of the restaurant's staffers, John Cuezze, might debate the theory that this north-of-the-loop neighborhood ever got too sleepy, because he had a great-uncle who played piano in one of the saloons that occupied the front half of Vivace. That poor relative was shot dead by a ricocheting bullet. "It was either 1928 or 1938," Cuezze says. "And in those days, there was still a brothel upstairs."

The building has been home to a wide variety of tenants (including a lesbian bar) over the past few decades. And if the ghost of Cuezze's great-uncle Phil is still hanging around, he's probably amazed at the changes that new owners JoAnne Cuezze (John's wife) and her business partner, Joe Amaro, have made."

9. Carl "Tuffy" DeLuna (Inactive)- Link detailing Tuffy's ban from Missouri casinos in 2005:

http://www.labor-unions.net/LOCALS/LU110/panel_bans_mobster_from_missouri.htm
"Longtime Kansas City mob figure Carl Angelo "Tuffy" DeLuna on Wednesday was barred from Missouri's riverboat casinos.

Missouri Gaming Commission investigators said DeLuna, 77, had frequented area casinos since his release from federal prison in 1998. He served 12 years on multiple racketeering and other convictions related to skimming profits from Las Vegas casinos in the 1970s and '80s.

DeLuna could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

He has 30 days to appeal his listing in Missouri's "Black Book" of undesirables.

Kevin Mullally, commission director, said that DeLuna's gambling came to the commission's attention and that a check of player- tracking records at area casinos confirmed it.

DeLuna becomes the eighth person to be listed by the commission, and the first since 1997."


10. Frank DeLuna

11. Richard "Rick" DeLuna

12. Nicholas "Nick" DiGirlamo
- This info from the union case DiGirlamo was involved in ties together a few guys on this list

"In United States v. International Bhd. of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen and Helpers of Am. ("DiGirlamo"), 824 F. Supp. 410 (S.D.N.Y. 1993), DiGirlamo was the bookkeeper for IBT Local 41 in Kansas City, Missouri and the evidence therein established that he associated with four men -- Charles Moretina, James Moretina, Peter Simone ("Simone"), and Frank Tousa ("Tousa") -- whom he knew to be members of the Kansas City LCN. Id. at 414-416 (discussing association with C. Moretina, J. Moretina, P. Simone and F. Tousa).

DiGirlamo's car was observed by the FBI outside of Charles Moretina's house during working hours. He also attended Charles Moretina's criminal trial and visited him several times in prison. Id. at 416. James Moretina and Simone hired DiGirlamo as an accountant for their business -- Be Amused Vending Company-- and he would occasionally go to Simone's illegal gambling hall to pick up the company's books. In fact, during his tenure as the company's accountant, the FBI seized illegal gambling equipment which the company owned, and James Moretina and Simone were eventually convicted for money laundering and illegal gambling. Id.

DiGirlamo also visited James Moretina's home and spoke with him daily on the telephone. Id.

DiGirlamo and Simone had known each other since childhood. They had participated in community sporting and charity events together, and had spent time at one another's homes. Id.

DiGirlamo had also prepared Tousa and his wife's personal tax returns and had spent time in the Tousas' home while doing so. Id."


13. Thomas Fontanello

14. John Glorioso

15. Robert Gulotta

16. Nicholas LaBruzzo
- Own's Chubby's Restaurant. Here is a Pitch article about the restaurant, just confirms LaBruzzo is the owner.

http://www.pitch.com/2000-08-10/dining/fat-city/full

17. Jack LaScuola

18. Joseph "Joe" Mandacina (IP)
_ Owns popular KC strip joint Diamond Joe's. Here are two links to stories about the club and Joe and a building he owns that house a local French Restaurant:

http://www.pitch.com/2001-12-20/news/prancers-and-vixens/full

Mandacina was also somehow involved with 901 Mississippi St and Shenanigans in Lawrence, KS in 1976. I grew up in and currently live in Lawrence, so I will try and find out more info.

Following up on Joe Mandacina in Lawrence, as of 2001 he still owned the building at 901 Mississippi, which now houses the Cork & Barrel liquor store (owned by different people).

Here is the link confirming as much:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2001/jul/07/cork_barrel_to/

"Allison Vance Moore, an agent for Grubb & Ellis/The Winbury Group in Lawrence, said that she received several inquiries from people interested in subleasing the building for use as a bar or nightclub.

But neither the Merc nor the building's ownership group led by Michael Messina and Joe Mandacina wanted to lease to such businesses."

19. Salvatore "Sal" Mandacina (IP)

20. James Moretina- Charles Moretina was involved with Phoenix Investment Group in Lenexa, KS and Moretina Diversified at 28th/State Ave, in Kansas City, KS in 1997.

21. Benjamin "Ben" Palmentere
- Ben and Joe Palmentere was the head of Palmentere Brothers Distributing, who is big into trucking, vending and soft drink distribution in the area.. Ben actually sold the business to what appears to be legit new owners in 1994. A link to the business is found here:

http://www.palmenterebros.com/

A story about the new owners and transaction is here:

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/1997/04/14/smallb1.html


Here is some background on Palmentere (I believe his father is Baldasaro, not 100% on that though):

"Local 64 HRE - Kansas City. This local was formed as a result of a merger of 4 locals by the International. During the two years it was in receivership, the local was run by Michael Salerno, hand-picked by Hanley. Salerno is under investigation for allegedly embezzling organizing funds disbursed to him by the International. When the local was taken out of receivership in 1976, Baldasaro Palmentere, former bagman for Nick Civella's right hand man, Danny Lawson, appeared as the Secretary Treasurer of the local. Hanley supported Palmentere who according to DOL is trying to gain control over all the locals' funds."

22. Eugene "Gene" Picone

23. Vincent "Vince" Picone
- Possiblty recently deceased in a car accident, if this is him:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/415257.html

Owner of Quality Detail and Auto sales at 326 Olive.

24. Joseph Porrello (IP)

25. Joseph "Joe" Ragusa

26. Peter Joseph Ribaste (Las Vegas)
-Peter is among the most well known KC guys because of the Vegas contacts. He owns several strip clubs through Ziegfield's Entertainment in the KC area. Most notable among those is Totally Nude Temptations Downtown, which is attached to The Cigar Box, where his brother Louis Ribaste is involved. For reasons not known to me, Peter transferred ownership of Temptations to John Ribaste in 2003, but is still very involved in the club's operations.

Louis has also been involved in various local restaurants, including Cafe New Yorker. The family also owns the KnobtownFruit Market at 8540 Noland Road.

Louis Ribaste was actively involved in Lawrence until at least 2002 with (I'm not making this up) The Bada Bing Strip Club. I do not know anything about Peter Bengimina, a KC businessman mentioned in the article, but I'm very curious about him.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2002/mar/09/briefcase179/

Gala Hospitality Corp., owner of the strip club formerly known as Gala Cabaret, has signed a letter of intent to acquire Bada Bing in Lawrence.

The Bada Bing strip club is owned by a company controlled by Kansas City businessman Peter Bengimina, who bought it from Louis Ribaste a few months ago. Bengimina could not be reached for comment.

Gala Hospitality, with headquarters in Miami, was formerly known as Xpedian Inc., a small public company previously involved in Web-based financial planning businesses.

Jeff Stoller, president of Gala Hospitality, said the purchase price was still being negotiated. The deal is subject to approval by liquor control authorities in Lawrence.

Another article quoting Ribaste about The Bing:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2001/mar/17/bada_bing_to/

The following Pitch article details some of this, with the most interesting blurb below. I think it would be a decent assumption that Louis Ribaste is very actively involved with the KC family.

http://www.pitch.com/2005-02-24/news/it-s-his-world/full

"In the mid-'70s, Louis Ribaste had owned a cocktail lounge called Judge Roy Bean's at Fourth Street and Wyandotte in the River Quay (now the River Market). An explosion leveled it, along with the entire block -- which was owned by mob snitch Fred Bonadonna -- in March 1977. Ribaste collected insurance money. Three months later, his other downtown club near Ninth Street burned to the ground. Police never determined who was responsible for the bombing or the suspected arson.

Another member of the Ribaste family, Peter Ribaste, moved to Las Vegas in 1989 after doing six months in prison for mail fraud; he had failed to disclose $90,000 in Las Vegas gambling debts on loan applications to buy a Kansas City car dealership. In 1998 the Las Vegas Gaming Commission, citing mob ties, banned Peter from local casinos. In 2003, according to news reports, Peter transferred his ownership interest in Totally Nude Temptations, the strip club adjoining the Cigar Box, to his wife, who transferred the ownership to another family member, John Ribaste.

John Pisciotta has owned the Cigar Box since it opened in 1997. He bought the land beneath the club from Louis Ribaste in 2001. The Pitch could not locate Ribaste to request an interview.

Regardless of whether the Cigar Box deserves its reputation, plenty of the partiers there buy into the club's underworld allure. When asked about it, people who could dispel any such notions suddenly turn goodfella, invoking a code of silence.

Bring up the club's rumored mob connections and Latta becomes visibly agitated, like an actor threatening a young punk about asking too many questions. Pisciotta shuns the press. Pisciotta's attorney, Richard Bryant, strongly discourages mafia-related questions. No one brings trouble here, says the club's only enforcer, the gray-haired, hulking bouncer who works the humidor.

"What people do, that's their own thing," Latta says of the Cigar Box's reputation. "It's like anything else. You fuck with the wrong people, you get hurt. I never asked anybody what they do. Everybody always liked me, and I always liked everybody."

The mythology surrounding the club hasn't hurt Latta's stage persona -- barroom lore even has it that his years performing at the Cigar Box are to pay off debts to the mob. "No, that's so far from the truth," Latta says. "If that's what they think, it's crazy."

His love and loyalty lie with Pisciotta."

Pete Ribaste is shown as incorporating the Market Social Club located at 106 E. 5th Street in KCMO in 1986 and dissolving it in 1987. That site is now home to Solaris Massage, which does not appear to be affiliated in any way with Ribaste. That record is found here:

https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?670456

John Ribaste holds the liquor license at Pure, a bar located on 350 Hwy.

27. Philip Saladino- Owns PS Surfaces, a recently formed floor laying company. Incoration record found here:

https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?2019906


Also owns Mercy Properties. Incorporation link found here:

https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?2019906

28. Samuel Scardino

29. Pasquale Sellaro

30. Anthony "Tony" Simone
- Owner of Necco Coffee. This guy is a real prick. I did advertising for them. Doesn't pay his bills and takes it personally if you cancel his shitty coffee service.

Necco Coffee Website (note Tom Sciortino is prominent in the company):
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http://www.neccocoffee.com/home.asp]
http://www.neccocoffee.com/home.asp[/url]

Link that contains pictures of Anthony Simone:

http://www.leaguelineup.com/welcome.asp?url=necco_raiders

Interesting background from a 1991 story:

http://www.firedupmissouri.com/roe_nace_mob_fundraiser

"Federal authorities contend the mob used this company’s [Necco's] office in 1973 as the headquarters for a multimillion-dollar bookmaking operation.

A federal jury convicted the company's president, Anthony Simone, of gambling charges. Simone pleaded guilty to another federal charge in 1984 after authorities found him with coffee stolen from an interstate shipment.

Anthony Simone is the cousin of reputed mob lieutenant Peter J. Simone. Phil Simone is their uncle"

Here is a link to a story involving Anthony:

http://www.pitch.com/2003-05-08/news/bean-counters/full

Here is a link to a blog describing a fundraiser for a Mayoral candidate that involved the Simone's and Brancato's and was held at The Cigar Box.

http://kcbuzzblog.typepad.com/kcbuzzblog/2007/02/nace_fundraisin.html

31. Philip "Phil" Simone

32. Peter Tamburello- The Tamburello family owns Marty's BBQ in the Northland on Vivion Road, as well as Talk More Wireless on N. Highland. Marty's BBQ has been there for over 23 years.

33. John Termini- Termini currently is involved with Cater Time Vending in Kansas City. He is banned from Missouri Riverboat Casinos, detailed here:

http://www.globalgamingnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=755&Itemid=66

More info on his current gambling habits here:

http://www.beloblog.com/KMOV_Blogs/n4idailybriefing/2007/12/do_casinos_need_a_master_list.html

"John Termini, who is on the Missouri Exclusion List, told me that he travels to Nevada and Mississippi to gamble in casinos in those states."
34. Frank Tousa- Tousa started two Social Clubs. Columbus Park Social Club was in 1969, and Northview Social Club Association preceded that in 1964. Both clubs were located at 1048 East 5th Street in KC. Curiosly enough, the following linked story details a bank robbery in 1930 where one of the assailants lived at that exact address. That story is linked here:

http://www.sodalofts.com/funeral.htm
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/04/10 06:11 PM

Well we will have to agree to disagree, I call it formal activity when you have John S., Cammisano Jr, Vincent C., Termini, Joe Vigaturro, Sam Marsalla in the back corner of AJ's bar on IndependenceAve last week, and no one was allowed back in that area but guys were going in and out doing a lot of ear Whispering. Sure looked like John was running the show, but anyway, let me say this, no they are not the crew they were in the past not by a long stretch,whether the FBI recognizes them or not they are there and there are far more than 15 members. I have a friend attached to the ATF through the KCMO PD who told me that they seem to be more active, if you want his name I can PM it and you can "check it out". As for the FBI, I think their refusal to recognize them has more to do with local politics then facts, with many of the law and order candidates using the FBI to sell their past involvement in law enforcement and OC operations, but we could argue that for a long time and would never be able to prove it one way or another.

"Finally, are you saying you are one of Civella's sons?"

Where did I say this, come on dude even if I was I would never say it, but I am not and never claimed to be, I am not a nut ball, I am someone who has been studying the local OC for 20 years, I am someone who is familar with a lot of people because of family associations, my Uncle is Paul Varsalona who was an active member of the crew until he retired. He did time for the mob, so when I say I have been around this for a long time I am not just blowing smoke. I also own and operate 3 adult entertainment establishments in KC and "rub elbows" with some of these guys on a near daily basis.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/04/10 07:29 PM

Your response to my statement below sort of sounded like you were saying you were one of the Civellas.

"Civella's sons were involved in the porn business in California about 20 years ago,I don't know about now"

"Well I do since I own 3 adult entertainment facilities."
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/04/10 07:34 PM

By the way, check out you private messages, joey.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/04/10 07:40 PM

The chart is way off, let me update it and I will provide some new names.


John Joseph "Joe" Sciortino

Underboss: Peter Simone - still operates be amused with James "Joe" Mortina

Capos:

1. William "Little Willie" Cammisano Jr.[/b]- going to prison.
2. Vincent "Vince" Civella - going to prison
3. James Duardi - capo in name only retired from activity.
4. Joe Mandacina - active
5. James Mortina - going to prison



Soldiers:

Salvatore Agrusa - active
Joseph Barletta - in active
Nathan "Nat" Brancato - active
John Calia - in prison
Carlo Cavallaro - active
George Chiavola - in active
John Costanza - dead
John Cuezze - active
Carl "Tuffy" DeLuna - dead
Frank DeLuna - in active
Richard "Rick" DeLuna - in active
Nicholas "Nick" DiGirlamo - definately inactive, snitch
Thomas Fontanello - dead
John Glorioso - in active
Robert Gulotta - in active
Nicholas LaBruzzo - active
Jack LaScuola - active
Salvatore "Sal" Mandacina - in prison
Benjamin "Ben" Palmentere - active
Eugene "Gene" Picone - active
Vincent "Vince" Picone - dead
Joseph Porrello - in prison
Joseph "Joe" Ragusa - in active
Peter Joseph Ribaste - active
Louis Ribaste - active
John Pisciotta - active
Philip Saladino - active
Samuel Scardino - unknown
Charles Sellaro - active
Pasquale Sellaro - unknown
Ralph Siragusa - dead
Anthony "Tony" Simone - in active
Philip "Phil" Simone - in active
Peter Tamburello - active
John Termini- active
Frank Tousa - dead

New members

Anthony Civella Jr. - active
Micheal J. Lambardo- going to prison
James "Jimmie" Dicapo - going to prison
Micheal Badalucco - going to prison
Jerry Cammisano - going to prison
Charles Cacioppo Sr. - active
Thomas Cacioppo - active
Anthony Sansone - going to prison
Micheal C. Sansone - going to prison
Tommy Saluto - active
Samual Scardino - active
Charles Simone - active
Charles Moretina - active
Joe Cervello - in prison for refusing to testify
Joe Vigaturro - active
Marvin Carnesseca - active
Sam Marcella - active
Tommy Marcella - active
Tommy Cascone - in prison for refusing to testify
Tony Miele - active
Paul Distefano - active
Mike Termini - active
Joe Sciara - active
Joe Palmentere - active
Dominiq Cervello - in prison for refusing to testify

One thing that is different than most "familys' KC has always be populated with actually family members either through blood or marriage. The same it true today. Cascone, civella's, Cervello's, Simone's and Sasone's are all related by blood. How many of these guys are "made" I dont know and no one knows. From things said to me I would put that number at between 15 and 20, the rest are soldiers. I did not name associates which would be double this list. They ply their trade in Loan Sharking, Gambling, fencing property, laundering money for other organizations (black and mexican gangs)through legit businesses, drug trafficing, conterfit merchandise you know the basic stuff.

There is no speculation on this list. I grew up with many of these guys, hung with them growing up spent a lot of time around my uncle and his "friend" and know some things. I am not a member, associate or involved in anything in anyway. However, when they see me they know me and speak to me.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/05/10 12:34 AM

You say there is "no speculation" in your list and yet you admit you don't know how many of them are actually made. Seems like we may need to define our terms here. As I'm sure you are aware, somebody is considered a "member" or "made" if they have gone through the formal induction ceremony. The basic positions in the family are Boss, Underboss, Consigliere, Captains, and Soldiers. Soldiers are the lowest made guys but they are still members. So it's inaccurate to call somebody who is not made, i.e. an associate, a "soldier" because it gives the wrong impression. Now if you were to label that list as "members and associates," that would be more appropriate. Because there is little chance at this point that Kansas City has 60+ made members. More like no chance whatsoever.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/05/10 05:51 PM

Okay well first of all there are only 40 or 41 active names on this list, so you might want to count it again, because I did not delete dead or in active guys because I was showing how the list changed. As I stated I believe their are between 15 and 20 made members, I was not stating the list is of all made men. I see I said the list did not include associates that was an error on my part and it should say does include associates. In my thought process I was lumping soldiers and associates together. That is my error, as for my no speculation comment that was in regards to the individuals involvment in the organization at some level.

Look, I am not trying to claim that the KC group is going to be the new gambinos of the midwest, I am just stating that they are growing from their low in the early 90's, as they grow they bring in more associates, eventually some of those associates are going to get made. I guess in a nutshell I refuting the claim that they are still on the decline as I have seen growth and signs of expansion.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/05/10 06:34 PM

Just for the record, if someone is made, they are a member whether they are active or not.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/05/10 06:42 PM

Okay dude you win, New York is the only place in America with a mob.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/05/10 09:24 PM

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
Okay dude you win, New York is the only place in America with a mob.


I think we both know I never said that. It's simply a sliding scale.

New York is obviously the epicenter of the Mafia, as it always has been. But even more so today. About 70% of the mob's remaining membership, or a little over 700 made guys, belong to the five New York families. The smallest New York family is at least twice the size of any other family elsewhere in the country. The New York families often work together in joint operations and are the most active, diversified, expansive, and resilient.

Then you have the "second tier," if you will, which would comprise Chicago, New England, New Jersey, and Philadelphia. They each have about 50 made members and show the most ongoing activity after the New York families. However, just because I put them on the same tier, I'm not saying they are directly equal. The DeCavalcantes in New Jersey are no more equal to the Outfit in Chicago than the three smaller New York families are equal to the Genovese or Gambinos.

A "third tier," in my opinion, would consist of Detroit and Buffalo. They each have about 25 members, give or take, and show the next level of mob activity. These two families are sort of in a grey area as far as still being formally structured, fully viable families.

After that you have the "fourth tier," which is basically areas where there are still remnants of families, including active members and associates, but not to the extent of a formally structured, viable family. These areas have anywhere from a few members to possibly as many as 15 members left. They include Rochester, NE Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Milwaukee (possibly), St. Louis, Kansas City, Tampa, New Orleans, and Los Angeles.

Finally you have those cities where the families are extinct and all known members are deceased. They would include Dallas, Denver, San Francisco, and San Jose.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/06/10 12:33 AM

Wow the know bodies in KC using the same wire room in costa rica for their gambling operation as the real mob in NY, I am sure it was just a coincedence.

"NJ state authorities rounded up several suspected Lucchese mobsters in connection with an alleged gambling ring, and pursuant to the continuing Operation Heat investigation officials on Thursday announced the arrest of Brian Cohen who is "accused of running the organization's online gaming operation" as reported by Chris Megerian for The Star-Ledger:
Brian Cohen, 61, of Buffalo, N.Y., is charged with money laundering and gambling promotion. Officials said the gaming operation, which processed wagers of $2.2 billion in a 15-month period, routed bets through a "wire room" in Costa Rica, where Cohen also lives. Detectives arrested Cohen at Buffalo Niagara International Airport as he got off a flight from the Central American country on May 16."
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/06/10 01:12 AM

"Just for the record, if someone is made, they are a member whether they are active or not."

well using your logic here, then the number of made men in kansas city would be 28.

I had a copy of an affidavit in which Cammisano Sr. the boss at the time made 10-12 guys in 1987. I cant find it but here is a link indicating the same thing.

http://www.reocities.com/ocsmidwestmafia/kansascity.html

Like I said I had a copy you can believe me or not, I am sure nothing short of a public declaration from the white house would change your mind anyway.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/06/10 01:45 AM

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
well using your logic here, then the number of made men in kansas city would be 28.


It's not my logic. It's the way the mob works. Once you've gone through the ceremony, you only cease to be a member when you die or flip. You should know that. And since you said you're not sure which about which ones that are members, how can you put up a specific number like 28?

Quote:
I had a copy of an affidavit in which Cammisano Sr. the boss at the time made 10-12 guys in 1987. I cant find it but here is a link indicating the same thing.
http://www.reocities.com/ocsmidwestmafia/kansascity.html


I've seen that site before. Some good pics and info but it's just a blog. And even if 10-12 guys were made in 1987, that's still 23 years ago.

Quote:
Like I said I had a couple you can believe me or not, I am sure nothing short of a public declaration from the white house would change your mind anyway.


Nah, just the feds recognizing any kind of family there or there being more than a couple mob-related cases over the past decade. But hey, that's me.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/06/10 01:55 AM

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
Wow the know bodies in KC using the same wire room in costa rica for their gambling operation as the real mob in NY, I am sure it was just a coincedence.

"NJ state authorities rounded up several suspected Lucchese mobsters in connection with an alleged gambling ring, and pursuant to the continuing Operation Heat investigation officials on Thursday announced the arrest of Brian Cohen who is "accused of running the organization's online gaming operation" as reported by Chris Megerian for The Star-Ledger:
Brian Cohen, 61, of Buffalo, N.Y., is charged with money laundering and gambling promotion. Officials said the gaming operation, which processed wagers of $2.2 billion in a 15-month period, routed bets through a "wire room" in Costa Rica, where Cohen also lives. Detectives arrested Cohen at Buffalo Niagara International Airport as he got off a flight from the Central American country on May 16."


First, bookies all over the country, mob-connected and otherwise, now use offshore wirerooms and websites in places like Costa Rica and Panama. Many of the same offshore outfits service books run by various crime families.

Second, as we've seen with any number of examples, even when there is no real formally structured family left, what remains of a mob family is often still at least able to conduct the most fundamental of mob operations - bookmaking. There are only about 5 or 6 old members left in Pittsburgh, plus however many associates, but they've also had bookmaking and video poker busts in recent years.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/06/10 02:24 AM

Where does the FBI list what it considers OC family's is his a website or a hot line straight to you.

"It's not my logic. It's the way the mob works. Once you've gone through the ceremony, you only cease to be a member when you die or flip. You should know that. And since you said you're not sure which about which ones that are members, how can you put up a specific number like 28?"

First when I said I was not sure which members were made I was referring to the new guys and some of the guys who came in the late 80's. I am not talking about the old timers which I have spent hours reading over court records and appeals of the various old timers on the list to know which ones were made or at least the FBI said they were made during court procedings because they would be refered to as Soldiers or the term made would be used. I didnt just start with this stuff yesterday. And by asking members of the crew from that era most noteably my uncle Paul Varsalona who was not made, but was a close associate, who told me who was who from the old timers when I first got into this, from listening to my uncle and his friends like Carl Deluna who died in 2008, talking about people and flat asking those I know growing up with them who was who. Most of the inactives are old timer 70's era guys. I then factored the low number of people made by Cammisano and adding them together and then subtracting a few I arrived at 28. Is it 100% accurate no, but neither is your low by estimate of 10 members either. Especially since their are 10 old time made guys in active on the list and like you said, once made, always made.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/06/10 02:36 AM

You dont know how many OC arrests have occured over the last 10 years because they dont call them oc arrests, they did not even call the gambling operation an oc arrest, in fact if Dicapo had not been arrested in the gambling case you would not have known his name to connect him to the conterfit case, so if you just saw the conterfit case you would not even know his association to OC because they dont mention it. The reality you have no idea because they dont indentify the person or associate the person in this town to OC unless they are blood relatives. SO please tell me how you would know who is who unless, you know everyone involved, and you dont, because I dont and I am at ground zero, and since the FBI does not call it OC or identify anyone as members or associates how would you know how many have been convicted of various things over the past 10 or 15 years. Lastly and not that I want to share my personal business but in 2003 when I was indicted for intrastate firearms trafficting the ATF and the FBI were sure interested in whether or not I has dealings with the local OC, why would they be so interested in that I ask myself because they dont recognize a family. Then when they tried to turn me and try to get me to go to local pawnshops operationed by OC (there words)and try to purchase guns off the record they seemed to recognize them. Oh well I am done with this, you cant make a person see, they have to do it on their own. Keep your eyes open, like I said there is a resurgence afloat, so watch the headlines, I am not going to argue with you anymore.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/06/10 04:05 AM

More often than not, if mob guys get busted, it makes the news and they are identified as such. The big focus on the recent gambling bust in Kansas City wasn't it's relatively modest figures in bets - $3.6 million - but the fact that many of those charged had ties to past mob figures.

I may not be aware of every case in Kansas City over the past decade but I'm aware enough to see that we're not looking at a family with dozens of members who are in a resurgence. No family is in this day and age.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/06/10 05:25 PM

You win, I am done,there is no use in discussing anything on this board, which might be the reason that there arnt that many people on it, I have seen how you trash everyone who disagrees with your expert knowledge so its not suprising that there is no one else here. Peace out. Who do I speak with to drop out of this board because in all honesty it has not been a lot of fun. peace professor.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: Providence Memories - 08/07/10 01:05 AM

That was awesome.

Ivy knows his shit. Its just he's got a bit of a condescending way of showing it. I dont think he means it it, he just comes across as a bit of an a-hole sometimes when he's stating his view.

grin grin grin

I love the back & forths though; they're always cool.
Enthralling.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/07/10 01:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica
That was awesome.

Ivy knows his shit. Its just he's got a bit of a condescending way of showing it. I dont think he means it it, he just comes across as a bit of an a-hole sometimes when he's stating his view.

grin grin grin

I love the back & forths though; they're always cool.
Enthralling.


He does not know as much as he thinks he knows, let me ask you a question, if the mob in kc was just a couple of old timers from back in the day as he suggests, why would 10 guys be afraid of them. Currently in Levenworth are 10 individuals from KC who are serving contempt of court sentences for refusing to testify against these guys for the gambling indictments. If it was as Ivy describes these guys would not be serving a day because they refuse to testify, so they must be afraid of something, think about that.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/07/10 06:44 AM

First, you're taking this all way to personally and showing a certain level of "fanboyism." Second, it's interesting how you have to keep making up false arguments and attributing them to me. When did I say the mob in Kansas City was "just a couple of old timers from back in the day?" Answer: I didn't. What I've said is that there is, in all probability, nowhere near 60+ made members left there. Not even half that much. And that a formally structured family no longer extists there as far as the FBI is concerned. You can still see the feds talking about the families in certain other areas of the country but Kansas City is one of those that only has remnants left. And the level of mob activity there, or lack thereof, demonstrates as much. And some guys serving relatively short stints for contempt of court doesn't prove anything. Other than perhaps they see it as worth not losing their contacts in the long run.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/07/10 07:06 AM

wow you and wiseguy love that term huh, fanboyism, no your statement was that they were 10 made men, and no structure, so why do time, up to 18 months for this, I would be scare of that, not enough to do 18 months, you act like their staying at a motel. I 've done 18 months + and I can tell you I would not do it to keep from testifying against bascially what you describe as a unstructed group of old italian guys who gamble. Apparently you have never done federal prison time of you might think differntly.

I never said there were 60 + made members, in there hey day back in the 70's they never had 60 made men. No you said they had no more than 10 which has been my argument the whole time, because I know there is more than 10 but since I cant get the FBI to issue you a press release. I am not taking it personal, why would I, it is frustrating when you find close minded invididuals who believe one thing and are unwilling to adjust there opinion even when someone who is getting their information from a much closer prespective because they live in the neiborhood and know the people in question, because the FBI does not say there is. But hey I am done trying to talk to you about it, in fact I was actually speaking to meatballs who thinks highly of you, but I have read a lot of your posts here and on the other board and all I can say is it must be really nice to be right all the time. Peace
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/07/10 07:16 AM

Explain one thing to me, at the time of Tony Civellas death in 2006 the FBI recognized the KC outfit and that he was the boss or head of the family. Yet there were not a lot of mob actvities hitting the papers, in fact there was very little after the mid 90's beside Porrello and Calia, hmmmm not activity, yet the FBI recognized them, so the dead of one person dismantles a family, I hardly think so and I dont think it would disappear in just 4 years.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/07/10 07:37 AM

William "Big Billy" D'Elia has been called "the boss" of the Bufalino family in northeast Pennsylvania for years now. Even though there is, at most, 3 members left. Identifying a guy as the boss doesn't necessarily equate to affirming there is still a formally structured family there.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Providence Memories - 08/07/10 08:05 AM

By the way, you're making a little bit more sense over on the other forum by saying what's left in Kansas City is basically a glorified crew. I don't think anyone would dispute that at all. There are still glorified crews in Tampa, Cleveland, Los Angeles, etc.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/07/10 08:29 AM

Ivy, I think part of the problem may be terminology differences, I am not trying to make KC the 6th NY family, the only point I have been trying to make is that they are bigger than some speculate, most of you guys put them at 10 members, I know there bigger than that, but I dont think there are more than 20, I think the number is around 17 or 18. I also know that there is structure there, it may not be the usual structure as they have in the big familys, but there is a boss, however after doing some more research in all honesty to prove you wrong LOL. I am coming to the conclusion that they do not operate under the normally rules, in that I dont think they make guys here anymore, I think basically you have a boss a second in command and then a few very trusted people to organize and arraing the activitys of the rest of the crew which I think is around 30 guys tops,and this would include what you guys were term as associates, I think however that they just operate like a street gang in that respect, you are just told you part of the gang, or you with us that kind of thing. The whole organization to include leadership and worker bees is probably in the 35 to 40 guy range. The other thing I am trying to convey to you and I do this with first hand knowlege is that they are growing in number with at least 15 guys I know of under the age of 30. Compared to their standing in the mid 90's where most of the family was over the age of 40. Now the 35 to 40 number may be a little high or a little low because its difficult to get a handle on which of the old timers are still operating.

I am not trying to be a dick, but I think you can understand that when you know something its difficult to be told you dont. I know you are used to dealing with some wack jobs, but I am not one of them. I have done time, but I also have 2 BS degrees, so I do know how to research, and I also work in an industry that puts me in contact with these types of people and I am sure that most of the guys on here telling you whats up are not from the neighborhood and did not grow up with a lot of the guys were discussing nor did they have a family member who was involved. I will tell you though my Uncle who is now in his mid 90's can give me a lot of insight on the 60's and 70's, but not on the current activities, but he did introduce me to a lot of people growing up from the old crews, some who are still active and like I have said I grew up with a lot of the newer guys.
Posted By: Mickey_MeatBalls_DeMonica

Re: Providence Memories - 08/08/10 09:17 PM

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
...let me ask you a question...
Hey, between the various Cammisano's, Civella's & Sansone's there's gotta be somethin' goin' on in KC no? Recognized or not, there's those couple of handfuls of guys, doing what they do how they do. "Viable" or whatever; killers & thieves, killin' & thievin', but interesting & stand up e-nuff.

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
...Kansas City...one of those that only has remnants [of a family] left...
Zigackly.

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
...that term huh, fanboyism ...
I am also one who hates this term. Fanboyism. Blech. I bought a book about this Australian lady who cut up her husband & cooked pieces of him on the stove with a rosemary & worcestershire (spl?) marinade. Crazy lady actually worked at an abbotoir nearby my house. Interesting, eh? I followed the case & subsequent trial, sentencing & aftermath. Now, am i a crazy-lady-who-cooked-her-husband-up fanboy? That's right. No. Like i've stated (well at least one time) before on dis here BB; caint-cha read up & stay up on a criminim phenom. without being all sympathetic & shit?

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
...not a lot of mob actvities hitting the papers...
Not a lotta news articles generally seems to indicate not a lotta articl-ey stuff being picked up, none of that "hard copy/evening news" crime, the 7.30 report stuff. BUT...it dont mean the handful of quiet books, bust-outs & ex-torts are'nt taking place. Or that certain dudes are'nt doin' tings. I recognize that.

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
William "Big Billy" D'Elia has been called "the boss" of the Bufalino family in northeast Pennsylvania for years now. Even though there is, at most, 3 members left. Identifying a guy as the boss doesn't necessarily equate to affirming there is still a formally structured family there.
Zig-gackly.

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
...what's left in Kansas City is basically a glorified crew... There are still glorified crews in Tampa, Cleveland, Los Angeles, etc.
Big Carmine knew the analogy.gy.gy.gy.\

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
...point i have been tying to make...is that they are bigger than some speculate... it may not be the usual structure as they have in the big familys, but there is a boss... I think basically you have a boss a second in command and then a few very trusted people to organize and arraing the activitys of the rest of the crew... around 30 guys tops, include what you guys were term as associates...a street gang in that respect... (my) first hand knowlege...
Sheet, if youza live in the KC, & you keep an eye on the local rags, you'd have an idea of whats goin' on y'd think. Moreso if you sorta on the periph'.

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
I am not trying to be a dick,
Story of my life.

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
...most of the guys...are not from the neighborhood nor did they have a family member who was involved...my Uncle...in his mid 90's...a lot of insight on the 60's and 70's...a lot of people growing up from the old crews, some who are still active... & a lot of the newer guys.
See, i'd reckon that's fair enough. I like to think i myself know alot more than the average doucher 'bout my neck o' the woods, including; who's in charge, what they do, how they do & when they do:

(yeah i know; "whatchu talkin' 'bout Croc Dundee? Hoo da mean c**ts in your patch of bush? Ed Smelly? Waltzin' Matilda? Roving fgangs of gangster koalas & boxing kangaroos?

Well, actually, alot of mean Hells Angels, Bandido's, Nomads & Black Uhlans. Ahem. Dem be bikers.
I know its off on a tangent, but str8 up: Aussies love the drugs, the old amphetamines in par-tick-yoo-lar;
the biker clubs have & have had the meth trade locked down for some decades now. Thats how it go in Australia: the Asians have all the slow*, the Italians grow all the green** & the skips are flat out selling fast*** to each other - *-heroin, **-marijuana, ***-speed)

...ahem. See, the thing is that when these back & forth debates go on, the amount of information presented as weight for the respective argument just makes for even more mob shit to cross-ref. & compile. I rikey vely much. Thankee-sai.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/10/10 12:47 AM

Ivy you keep claiming the murder of Charles Cammisano was his wife in a domestic abuse case. Here is the update to the article your getting your information from.

http://www.kctv5.com/news/14062206/detail.html

There have been no arrests in this case.

Joe Cammisano's grand son and the Great Newphew of William Cammisano sr. was murdered in 2004. Although there was a beef with an ex girlfriends new boy friend they police never interviewed that guy because they suspect that he was murdered because they assume he was a snich. He was involved in a X distrubution operation, the feds dropped indictments on everyone in the group but him, this group included Joe Mortena who is a connected guy along with several other italians whose involvement I am not clear on, also part of this group were some mexican gang drug dealers, to include Ceasar Vacca. IN this town Vacca is know to be a violent guy. Resulted in jail time for the members who were indicted, to include Joe Moretina. Because he was not charged like the others they felt he was cooperating and this resulting in his murder. This occured in 2004. I am not stating all this as a basis for any kind of mob resurgence argument, I am just noting mob/mob connected activity.
Posted By: justpassinthrou

Re: Providence Memories - 08/10/10 09:48 PM

new here...interesting reads, guys...thanks..

question....which Moretina owns the bar in city market ??
What surgery did he just have ??
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/11/10 10:57 PM

Originally Posted By: justpassinthrou
new here...interesting reads, guys...thanks..

question....which Moretina owns the bar in city market ??
What surgery did he just have ??



Well if your taking about Caddy Shack on 3rd st, that would be Rose Moretina, as for his surgery, the only person who would know that is family and friends, which one are you?
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/11/10 11:53 PM

Lombardo pleds in gambling case in KC

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/11/2143727/indicted-kc-man-admits-role-in.html
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/13/10 09:41 PM

Update, The Shady lady strip club is not owned by Spinello, he is the General Manager, the club has had different names by the same owner since 1950. The club is owned by Peter Genova and has been owned by Genova for its entire history. The Genova clan has ties to organized crime in KC.
Posted By: justpassinthrou

Re: Providence Memories - 08/13/10 11:26 PM

ahhhh...the good old days of the Red Apple and Shadows come to mind....
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 08/14/10 05:18 PM

Originally Posted By: justpassinthrou
ahhhh...the good old days of the Red Apple and Shadows come to mind....


So who is claiming to be who, are you saying your a Civella, any blown up cars in your past??? Or are you just checking to see if I know these old strip clubs, Shadows on SW boulavard and of course the red apple in KCK which was owned by Jack Anderson, which is notorious because Cork blow up the owners car muscling in on the club and because Anderson had left 3 girls in Vegas without a way home and one of those girls was Carl "Corky" Civella's girlfriend. If you are someone who's someone it would be interesting to talk with you and see if we may know some of the same people, or we might get a more accurate prespective of whats occuring in KC.
Posted By: northeasttony

Re: Providence Memories - 10/17/10 12:01 AM

Joey_dice I'm not sure they have any judges or politicians in kansas city any longer with Tigers wife gone. There is a recent rise of old names in the government side running for office that may be their people but do you really feel they do? Like who because I only hear about how its not like the good old days.
Posted By: tonysoprano111

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 11/08/10 06:29 AM

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Posted By: SC

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 11/08/10 07:29 AM

To tonysoprano111:

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Posted By: northeasttony

Re: Providence Memories - 11/15/10 04:53 AM

Both Joe and Jimmy Moretina are involved. What about John? I see he made KCTV news on some voter fraud deal in October.
Posted By: Comme_Si_Bella

Re: Providence Memories - 11/15/10 02:29 PM

Does anyone know if Bobolini has been back to the forum? Great photo he posted...not sure who's who, except for the guy in the white jacket.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 01/16/11 03:51 AM

Well you had Tigers wife who is now gone, you also have Bondon,who is influential with the council. I dont know how I missed John Moretina being involved in the Rizzo deal, thanks for point that out. You know Luke Scavuzzo was elected to state office. If your from the NE you know the family and who their connected to. In my post I was speaking in terms of recent years since some were saying their was not involvement in governements since the early 80's. I have heard that Reeder is in the pocket but have not specific proof.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: Providence Memories - 01/16/11 03:53 AM

I dont think there is a moretina not involved in the family business.
Posted By: thebarber

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 01/25/11 01:33 AM


a list of new england family soldiers would b great. Thanks
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 01/25/11 06:47 AM

Originally Posted By: thebarber

a list of new england family soldiers would b great. Thanks


There's one earlier in this thread.
Posted By: TommyOMochain

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 11/04/11 10:17 PM

What can anyone here tell me about "Joe Hooks" Mirabile of Detroit? Yeah, I know he is allegedly the underboss there now. Has he ever been arrested and if so for what? How old is he? Any brothers or sisters? etc.
His uncle Paul Mirable (brother of "Papa Tony" Mirable who was whacked during a "bulgled robbery" in 1958), asked me about twenty years ago to be his driver here in San Diego. If I'd known his background, I would have accepted his offer...

Thanks,
--Tommy

Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 11/05/11 06:40 AM

Originally Posted By: TommyOMochain
What can anyone here tell me about "Joe Hooks" Mirabile of Detroit? Yeah, I know he is allegedly the underboss there now. Has he ever been arrested and if so for what? How old is he? Any brothers or sisters? etc.
His uncle Paul Mirable (brother of "Papa Tony" Mirable who was whacked during a "bulgled robbery" in 1958), asked me about twenty years ago to be his driver here in San Diego. If I'd known his background, I would have accepted his offer...

Thanks,
--Tommy



Author Scott Burnstein, who posts as mcscott over on the Real Deal, would be the best one to answer this question.
Posted By: TommyOMochain

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 11/05/11 07:24 PM

Thanks for that, Ivy.

--Tommy
Posted By: Jimmy_Two_Times

Re: 2008 Family Charts - 11/28/11 05:30 PM

Great looking stuff. Thanks for all the hard work and effort putting it together.
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