Who was the Greatest Don?

From a Mafia point of veiw, who do you think was the greatest Boss/Don in Mob history?

My vote goes to Carlo Gambino. Low key, never put in jail, and never anyone who looked to take him out of the picture while he was boss of bosses.


Don Cardi

Tough decision here....I think that Carlo Gambino was probably the most powerful of his time, but consideration has to be given to Lucky Luciano, too. If it wasn't for Tom Dewey's personal crusade against Luciano, Charley Lucky probably wouldn't have ever seen jail (and exile).

The most influential mobster of the 20th century? Meyer Lansky!

Is there any comparison that was done between the Mafia in Sicily with its American counterpart (La Cosa Nostra)?? Is it known which is richer/stronger?

Did they ever go to war?

Why do you guy's only mention the "American" mafia? I really wonder about that. I'm sorry to say this but are you fellows "unknown" or so. The mafia is still a Sicilian thing, and it always will be.

My vote goes to the one and only "capo dei tuta capi" Salvatore "Toto" Riina, who's still suffering in his cel in Palermo.

As far as i know Sonny, it's still all controlled from Sicily, and of course we Sicilians are richer and more powerfull. Don't forget that we founded it.

About a war, NO, we've never fought a war, it's better to coorporate.

I wonder if they'll accept any immigrants in Sicily

We do know that Australia will NOT accept immigrants, especially desperate refugees fleeing from countries which the US is currently bombing the holy living $hI+ out of.

Sorry a bit off topic there!

Although he wasn't really all that famous, I always thought that Frankie Yale deserved more credit than what he recieved.

Sure Sonny, why not. It's very handy if you know something about our culture and speak our language, if you go to the small villages in the country site.

I'm an immigrant aswell altough i'm 50 % Sicilian,
my dad was born there.

Bought the book already??

Well, let's see: I'm not Italian/Sicilian nor do I make any understandable sentence in Italian/Sicilian, I do have a fiery temper (I'll get whacked quite quickly).....I guess I'll pass on immigrating to sicily, but if you know of any Family that wants to sell Franchising rights in Europe, let me know

The book? I ordered it, but it's still on the way. They don't have it here, so I had it shipped from Amazon.com and it still didn't arrive....

And RICO, believe me, you don't want those people in your neighbourhood, their food sends out some strange smell (some people like it, but I can't stand it) and it doesn't go away easily...[no offence to any]

Gambino, Genovese, Colombo, Bonanno, and Luchese, according to Valachi...

Valachi included Colombo??? I find that hard to believe.

Hey Bogus, "...you're gonna take $hit from this guy***???? What's the world coming to???" (Goodfellas)

*** No offence Consiglieri

The Mastermind: Make way for Henry Hill...*evil lurks in the darkness*...*or does it?*...

I don't know what you mean by this Sonny, have you something to sell ...........??

I'm always interrested in a good business deal

No Don Michel...I'm sorry, that was supposed to be a joke;

I was trying to explain that I'm interested in the richer and more powerful Sicilian Mafia, but since I'm not Sicilian I can't join it directly. So I was joking with you that if you hear of a Sicilian Mafia Family that wants some representatives in Europe to let me know (so that I could buy some franchising rights)....

I thought it was funny...

No worry's Sonny, just a misunderstatement. Maybe i'm a lucky man then, my dad is 100% Sicilian, i was born over there, so i can join the club.

Again I can't narrow it down to just one. but my list would go something like this:
1. Charles "Lucky" Luciano (N.Y./N.J.)
2. Carlo Gambino (N.Y./N.J.)
3. Al Capone (Chi.)
4. Sam Giancana (Chi.)
5. Albert Anastasia (N.Y./N.J.)
6. John Gotti (N.Y./N.J.)
7. Vito Genovese (N.Y./N.J.)
8. Santo Traficante (FLA.)
9. Carlos Marcello (N.O.)
10. Nicodemo Scarfo (Phi.)

No my friend Luciano wasnt the greatest. carlo Gambino was but only in his time back then the police and FBI didnt look at the Cosa Notra that much. My friends Carlo was in his time. then it would be Al Capone then Vito Genovese Then John Gotti then Albert Anastasia. John Gotti was pretty smart but rmember at that time the whole family style was unraveling So the FBI and andy maloney went after him and wouldnt stop even after he wasnt found guilty. But in my thoughts Carlo is wand forever will be the greatest Don ever.

Don jasani let me take you to my class Mafia 101 if you read the books its entitles Carlo Gambio as the greatest.The Teflon Don was great but no great enought he would go around 4th place in my opinion.

A good arguement can be made for all the aboved mentioned. However, let me give my opinion as to why Carlo was the best. During his rule, the feds could never pin anything on him. He was a quiet man who never brought attention to himself. All in all his underlings were pretty happy, made money, and no one of importance under him ever really looked to get rid of him and take over as boss. This, in my opion makes for a great boss.

Lucky Luciano, is right up there with him. FOr it was Luciano who implemented the idea of forming a commission, with no one boss being in total control. He was defiantely ahead of his time no doubt. He surrounded himself with a smart man who knew the laws and knwe how to make everyone involved money ( Meyer Lansky ), and at the same time he also surrounded himself with a street smart bulldog who feared no one ( Benny Siegal ). Definately a smart idea to have both of these kinds of people surrounding you. But Luciano became a bit to careless, as he rose to the top, and brought too much attention upon himself which pissed off some of his underlings and also the Lawmakers. This eventually brought him down. Only the keen mind of Meyer Lansky could scheme up an idea to eventually get Lucky off the hook.

John Gotti, definately one of the most famous Bosses of all time. This guy had BIG BALLS, and feared no one. What brought him to power in such a short time was the fact that he was smart enough to take advantage of Castellanos greed, and convince the others that BIg Paulie was getting rich off thier backs and would not share the wealth. Unfortunately, when Gotti became the Boss of Bosses, he, like Luciano, brought too much attention to himself. After beating the government on three different occassions, he basically dared them to come get him! However, I still believe that what the government did to him was unconstitutional, taking his Legal Representation away from him! For if Cutler was not taken away from him, then I think that Gotti would have beat the government for a fourth time. However as I stated earlier, Gotti was too much in the public eye, and for that reason, in my opinion, he was not a great boss.

Al Capone, just a damn maniac in plain english! A great Boss, I wouldn't say so. He basically lived by one rule; My way or death. He was not one of those bosses who made money for all involved with him. Another guy who liked living in the headlines. Not good business for a family, especially if you are the boss.

If I had to choose a boss out of all these guys, Carlo Gambino would still be my choice.

Don Cardi

some how you guys have deleted some really good
bosses,for one john gotti does not even belong on
that list,yes he was ruthless and a killer,that does not make for a great don,he was careless to
the point of stupid,he could never run a business
such as construction,clothing,food industry or a
simple gambling operation,he lost money at his own
game,he was a simple hi-jacker who got lucky.he didnt know when to shut-up or stay low.
if you want to add a couple of names try vinny(the
chin)gigante who runs the most powerful family in
the world or sam(theplumber)decavalcantes who at one time held every union job new jersey ever saw
before even gambling was lagalized.
nicky scarfo sr. and jr. are two of the biggest idiots ever to come along,junior is not even made
and if not for gigante and BIG PAUL COSTELLANO scarfo sr. would not have been boss,both scarfos
are also resposible for the philly mob wars which
are still going on today,costellano probobly was
the smartest and most succesfull boss ever other then capone,at one time capone made more money per
day then any major corperation did in his time,
they also say paul was making 500 million a year
(half a billion)in both legal and illegal companies,some of these companies still exist today and are very profitable for the gambino family,john gotti took his regime and flushed it
down the toilet just like his life he had no control over his soldiers and his capos,drugs,
petty crimes and murders johns legacy is great but the truth is he was a terrible boss.

A lot of good points have been made regarding my list and now I feel the need to give my reasons..
1. Charles "Lucky" Luciano (N.Y./N.J.) - Set up The Comission and orchestrated the hits on Joe Masseria and Sal Maranzano..
2. Carlo Gambino (N.Y./N.J.) - Led the Gambino family through a period of unprecedented prosperity.
3. Al Capone (Chi.)- Orchestrated St. Valentines Day Massacre..oh yeah and he's AL CAPONE!
4. Sam Giancana (Chi.) - May have had a hand in J.F.K assasination, and led Chi. Mob through some dangerous times.
5. Albert Anastasia (N.Y./N.J.) - Had a key hand in forming Murder Inc.
6. John Gotti (N.Y./N.J.) - Teflon Don, as mentioned Balls for days....
7. Vito Genovese (N.Y./N.J.) - Well known for ruthless nature..
8. Santo Traficante (FLA.) - May have had a hand in the Kennedy assasination.
9. Carlos Marcello (N.O.) - May have had a hand in the Kennedy assasination.
10. Nicodemo Scarfo (Phi.) - Well known for ruthless nature...
And this list is by no means a hard and fast ranking of who the all time best were..

This is what i call a Boss:

Salvatore Riina of the corleonesi, the peasant from Corleone probably the most feared boss ever to sit on the Commission of the Sicilian Mafia the Cupolla. His greed and appetite for power unleashed a wave of murder organized crime would ever see the likes in any where throughout the world. Toto served his apprenticeship in the Corleonesi under the infamous Luciano Liggio. Toto's prestige within the corleonesi would soar when he saved his mentors life. Liggio was ambushed by a gang sent from a rival clan he added by Michele Navarra. Both of them would take hits but Toto's instinct would be to protect his boss and get him to safety, and soon after they would seek retribution by Killing the then head of the Cupolla the doctor Michele Navarra.

Leggio would soon take over what Navarra left behind and although the Cupola wasn't happy with Leggio's actions but would not punish him. Riina began to seek power by striking up friendship's with influential men of honour belonging to deferent clans some as far as Napoli. His method was extremely insidious as he would fuel rifts in families in order to recruit younger men of honour.

This would serve Riina well when he took over the Corleonesi clan in the mid-seventies when Leggio was incarcerated. Riina Would sit on the Cupola as one of three men that divided the power into a third each. Riina was by now heavily involved in heroin distribution and his greed would spark a power struggle for control of the massive profits the corleonesi were already enjoying. Toto began plotting the deaths of the men he had to share the power of the cupola. First of all Salvatore Inzerello was murdered and shortly after Stefano Bontade suffered the same fate. This brought mayhem to Sicily Where upon over a thousand men of honour would die in a bloody war that threatened to engulf the entire Sicilian cosa nostra. But after the smoke cleared Toto Riina became the boss of bosses in Sicily.

The beast would be backed up by powerful bosses such as Michele Greco and Pipo Calo who would now be the new power on the cupola and Riina would enjoy a couple of peaceful years but there was a dark cloud on the horizon in the shape of Tomasso Buschetta and his crucial testimony in the maxi trials.

Tomasso Buschetta was arrested in Brazil and returned to Italy to face his crimes one of which just because he was a man of honor despite fleeing to Brazil Because he openly opposed the Corleonesi led by Riina. Buschetta angered by the murders of his 2 sons he began to cooperate with the authorities as an act of vengeance to the notorious Corleonesi. Buschetta testified at the maxi trials in Palermo where over 400 Mafiosi would be convicted although many were overturned by a corrupt judge, judge Carnevale nicknamed sentence killer.

Riina was also convicted even though he would not attend the maxi trials, Riina was supposedly a fugitive even though he never left Palermo. For nearly 20 years Riina avoided arrest thanks largely to the amount of law enforcement officers who were paid off so he could walk around Sicily like a free man.

Soon enough though Riina would be walking around freely no more. In 1993 Riina was
arrested after roughly twenty years on the lam. He was picked up in Palermo at midday,
a victim of the massive police crackdown sweeping across southern Italy. The authorities
and public were outraged at the senseless murders of 2 anti Mafia judges, Giovanni Falcone
and Paulo Borselino. Toto Riina is serving life behind bars but his underboss Bernardo Provenzano is now the head of the cupola.

You can read more of his "work" here:
Salvatore "Toto" Riina



[ October 30, 2001: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

Grazie Don_Michel! But what about 'the Fox' Giulio Andreotti??? The REAL boss of Italian political corruption. What was his famous motto? Oh yeah :"Power wears out those who don't have it."

Do you mean this FOX:

Giulio Andreotti, the seven-times former prime minister who was acquitted two years ago of having Mafia ties, was due to go on trial again

Andreotti, 82, who has bounced back onto the political scene following his acquittal, is being accused on appeal by two women prosecutors in Palermo, Sicily. They will ask for him to be jailed for at least 10 years.

The original case against Andreotti was based on evidence by a number of Mafia informants who said he had met Mafiosi and even "godfathers".

The two prosecutors in that earlier case said the acquittal, made on the grounds that no crime had been committed, amounted to a "misapplication and travesty of justice".

They charged that the judges failed to take the evidence into account and followed a course of reasoning "way out of line" with that of the prosecution.

Andreotti was acquitted after a trial lasting four years.

But in the full account they gave of their decision last year, the judges claimed Andreotti had lied in court when he said he had not known the Salvo cousins, powerful Sicilian tax collectors who were connected to the Mafia.

The question of whether Andreotti knew the two men or not was considered crucial for the prosecution's case, since the Salvos were said to have been his channel to the Mafia leadership.

Despite his age and judicial concerns, Andreotti has returned to the political scene. A senator for life, he recently helped to form a moderate party based on old Christian Democrat ideals.

His name was recently mooted as a choice for foreign minister in a possible new conservative coalition government after next month's elections.

Grazie Don_Michel! Yes THAT sly 'Fox.' What about the current President Silvio Belusconi? He is pretty well "mobbed up" as they say, no?

Berlusconi Rules, he is a fine president altough he is quitte mobbed up. I have no problems with that. I'm Sicilian you know.

I would choose Carlo Gambino

Don Jasani I pretty much agree with your list but one thing You have Al capone No. 3 and Sam Giancana No. 4, But no one has mentioned Anthony (Joe Batters) Accardo I would place him above Al Capone and especially Sam Giancana. Anthony Accardo never went to prison(as far as I know) plus when Sam Giancana was hit back in june of 1975 it's been said that only Anthony Accardo could have given the order for the hit. Actually I would probably place Anthony Accardo No. 1 on the list sorry for going on for as long as I have I've been gone for awhile.

[ November 01, 2001: Message edited by: The Iceman ]

actually accardo was a good boss,but the hit on
giancana was sanctioned by the cia and carried out
by trafficante jr. giancana had sought refuge in
mexico,he said it was to retire but i have heard
that operation cuba failing like it did was his reason,he knew that he was next on the list to go,
he was shot in his basement kitchen while cooking
sausages,5 times under the chin once in the back
of the head.

I think to be considered the best, you have to have on top for a long time. Al Capone, famous, wealthy, and ruthless as he was, really was only on top for about 5 years. I think your choices for 1 and 2 are good ones, and I think you would need to add Castellano onto the reign of Gambino. They basically ruled from 1957 to 1985 and generated enormous wealth and power.

Giancana was a ruthless killer that seemed to enjoy killing. He was exiled to Mexico for 10 years, and was suspected of planning to "talk" to the government.

Gotti was just a thug, he had no leadership abilities and his arrogance is what led to his downfall, and the decreased power of the Gambino family.

[ November 01, 2001: Message edited by: Don Marco ]

Best bosses (#1-5)

Period: 1930-1960 Family
1. Joseph Profaci - Profaci/Colombo(1925-1962)
2. Joseph Bonnano - Bonnano (1931-1967)
3. Thomas Luchese - Luchese (1931-1967)
4. Carlo Gambino - Gambino (1957-1976)
5. Vito Genovese - Genovese (1957-1969)

Period: 1960-1990
1. Antonio Corallo - Luchese (1973-1986)
2. Paul Castellano - Gambino (1976-1985)
3. Vincent Gigante - Genovese (1982-1997)
4. Joseph Massino - Bonnano (1992-)
5. Carmine Persico - Colombo (1978-1986)

Best non-NYC Bosses
1. Sam Giancana d. 1975 (Chicago)
2. Angelo Bruno d. 1980 (Philadelphia)
3. Santo Trafficante Jr d. 1987 (Florida)
4. Simmone DeCavalcante d. 1997 (New Jersey)
5. Thomas DeSimmone d. 1974 (Los Angeles)

Worst Bosses
1. Vittorio Amuso [Luchese] (1986-1992)
2. Ralph Natale [Bruno] (1994-1999)
3. Carmine Galante [Bonnano] (1974-1979)
4. Joseph Colombo [Colombo] (1964-1971)
5. John Gotti [Gambino] (1985-1992)

[ November 01, 2001: Message edited by: Joey Montana ]

The greatest don was definietly charles "lucKy{ Luciano.

The worst Don is definitely John Gotti,. in my opinion.

Lots of typos, eh? How is the worst Don John Gotti? Remember that, uh, insane guy who founded Murder, Inc.? He is probably the worst Don ever.

Charlie Lucky was definitely a contender for Top Don of all time. His organization of all of the disparate and contentious Families into a single cohesive entity is proof alone of his prescient genius. Do not forget that during WWII it was on his account that the eastern US seaboard was safe from Axis attack; and on his word The Allies were able to safely gain a foothold in Sicilia, receiving a warm welcome from the mafiosi there. Vito Genovese may have done the legwork, but it was Charlie Lucky who gave the go-ahead to permit a smooth Allied invasion. Do not forget also that he controlled ALL prostitution in the US during his day. Charlie Lucky not only headed the Commission as Capo di tutti capi, but also constituted the liaison between the US and Sicilian factions of Mafia. His calling together of all the chieftains, both the domestic Commission and the Sicilian Cupola in 1957 at the Grand Hotel des Palmes in Palermo laid the foundation for the consolidation of the international narcotics industry, from the French Connection all the way to the Pizza Connection. He was negotiating the rights to his life story as a novel-to-become-major-motion-picture at the time of his death by heart attack in 1960. No one could touch Salvatore Lucania, THE MAN 'Charlie Lucky.'

I dont agree with Don Jansi at all. Your reasons were merely pointless. I gave great points on why I have my top 5. You my friend ought to read a couple a books a sign uo for my class Mafia 101 and it is located at the Godfather boards and free of charge. hahahahahahahahaa

Don Jasani,I respect your opinions and say that you have done a good job in your picks.Keep the work up.

*Cough* Brownnoser *Cough*

Please respect my opinions as Ive tried to respect yours.

I don't want to get into a long and boring war of words with Don Liguito...but some of the Mob related books I have read..(excluding articles and websites): "The Godfather", "The Sicilian", "The Last Don", "Omerta" (all Puzo), "Donnie Brasco" - Joe Pistone w./Richard Woodley, "Capo" - Peter Watson, "Wiseguy" - Nicholas Pileggi, "Underboss" - Peter Maas and "Double Cross" - Sam & Chuck Giancana.
You may not agree with my list and of course that is your right. But you have no right questioning my knowledge about Organized Crime..not that I value your opinion too much...

yes I definitely agree with Don Rico. Lucky luciano was aweseom..

as far as everyones post on this topic,no one can
pick a boss who is or was the best,you cant read books on the life these guys lead and assume your
knowledge is more then someone elses,the actual stories these guys tell are mostly lies and b.s.
they glamourise this life style and in return you
suck up huge amounts of this info.and you all start fighting over who is RIGHT and WRONG-none of you are right and you are not wrong,unless you live that life or worked with that man there is no answer,these half assed wiseguys lead very low and dismal existances,keep on fighting though,it
is very entertaining. :p

my top 10:
1. Carlo Gambino
2. Lucky Luciano
3. Al capone
4. Albert anastacia
6. Vito genovese
7. John Gotti.
8. VITO CORLEONE
9. MICHEAL CORLEONE
10.VINCENT CORLEONE..

Carlo was together with lucky the greatest.

Vincent Salvatore LoScalzo DOB: 5/6/37

RAP SHEET: 7/1/89 - racketeering, security fraud, grand theft, sale of unregistered security, organzied scheme to defraud- charges dropped then reinstated- pled no contest to sale of unregistered security on October 7, 1997, received three years probation


OCCUPATION: LoScalzo was a registered agent of Mahalo Auto Sales until the middle of last year

He is also reputed to have an interest in the now bankrupt ValuCar Auto Sales

His past employment included interests in Rumors Lounge, Blue Penguin Lounge, Deuce Lounge, Chip-In Bar, Blind Pig Bar, Jack's Liqours, Scoreboard Lounge, Ernesto's Bar and Package, Imperial Liquors, Bill Barber Wholesale, A. Terrana Grocery and Market, Mike's Lounge, Lo-Val, SAL Incorporated, Brother's Lounge

ACTIVITIES:

Alleged boss of the Tampa Mafia from March 17, 1987 to present

Vincent is the son of late mob soldier Angelo "The Hammer" LoScalzo, and brother of late Marcello family associate Antonino LoScalzo

The Loscalzo family moved from Sicily through New Orleans to Tampa

After Trafficante's death in 1987 LoScalzo was observed in various meetings across the country with organized crime figures from Arizona, Chicago, California, New Orleans, New Jersey, and New York

LoScalzo also had ties to Sicilian crime figures through John Dellaplata and Steve Raffa

Reportedly, LoScalzo's right hand men and hierarchy of the family are Frank Albano and James Valenti

MY KIND OF BOSS,SMART BUT TUFF

THE BEST BOSS WAS Charles "Lucky" Luciano. Definetly, without a doubt.

I still say the greatest boss of all time is.

ANTHONY (JOE BATTERS) ACARDO

And no one will change my mind on this.

The best American Mafia boss, in my opinion, was Frank Costello, "the chairman of the board," who took over from Charlie Luciano after the latter's jailing. He was probably the model for Vito Corleone, in that he had the gambling and the unions, was very politically powerful ("had all the judges in NY"), eschewed traffic in drugs and women, and had the vision to put his hand into gambling as far away as New Orleans, Nevada and Cuba. He was convicted only once, survived an assassination attempt, retired when it was time to do so, and died peacefully. Charlie Luciano deserves credit for arranging for the demise of the "moustache Petes" Masseria and Maranzano, and, instead of trying for the title of capo di tutti capi, setting up the Commission, which accomplished the same thing for him. He also had an eclectic view of talent, reaching out for non-Sicilian and non-Italian advisers and associates. But Luciano wasn't smart enough to keep away from high-profile crimes like narcotics and large-scale prostitution. These proved to be his demise. After only five years on top, he was given a 30-year sentence, then deported, then died in exile--not exactly a grand capstone to a great career. As for Capone: he wasn't Mafia; he wasn't even a Sicilian. There was a Mafia in Chicago at the time, called the Unione Siciliano, which was a kind of racketeering clearing house with political muscle. Capone payed fealty to its head, Mike Merlo, and when Merlo died, tried (not always successfully) to have one of his own, Sicilan guys as head of the Unione.

Some of the great Don's are: Carlo Gambino, Lucky Luciano and of course the greatest of them all Michael Corleone.

The worst Don is without a doubt that disgrace Salvatore Riina. The most disgraceful Don in Sicilian and American history. That greedy bastard is a disgrace because his main economy was heroin. That greedy bastard was a victim of his own arrogance.

[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: Francis The Kid Forducci ]

What do you know Mr. Forducci............. you sound a little naive to me. First of all you tell us that Michael Corleone is one of the greatest Don's. Due all the respect but where are you living, in a movie??

Then the part about Don Riina:

Let me tell you this, without Don Salvatore there was no longer a Sicilian Mafia, because Giovanni Falcone would have won his battle against Cosa Nostra. Falcone wouldn't make a mistake like Bennito Mussolini did in the twenties and thirties of 1900.

Don Salvatore was absolutly NOT arrogant. He simply just liked the power, and if you act normal and with respect to him, he will treat you with respect aswell. But when you mess up with him then you are in big trouble.

The Heroin Bussiness:

Wake up Mr Forducci, what do you think that the core business of all the other families is about,... candy?? All the families are involved in this business, because it's a big business.

But yeah, what do you know. You believe whats written on that fucking Global Maffia site, thats fine with me. You're living in your BIG America, seeing the great out doors from you easy chair, with your good economics and major coorporations who needs protection. Thats fine with me also.

But don't tell me how we should handle things at Sicily, that's not fine with me.

[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

Hey, I'll tell you how to run things in Sicily. My mother is Sicilian and I've been to Palermo many times. First off, the Michael Corleone thing was a joke, alright. Second, easy with the cursing. Take it easy, alright. 3rd, the fact that a murderer like Salvatore Riina is your idol, shows a lot about you. 4th, Salvatore Riina is an evil, cold-blooded murderer. He ordered the murders of Giovanni Falcone and his WIFE!! A woman. That's how pathetic he is. I couldn't be happier that that bastard is in jail rotting. If one man deserves it, it's him.

And another thing, I don't want you to ever tell me about how to live in America. Especially by a man who hates America like you. Everyone should look at this:


At least I have respect for Sicily and America.

[ December 31, 2001: Message edited by: Francis The Kid Forducci ]

Was this needed?Knocking America?

I hate nobody, and i never said so, i only dislike your (the) American attitude, that's all.



So ?????? I live in Catania 24/7/365 and i've been to Palermo many times also. Is that the reason that you will (can) tell me how we should handle things in Sicily?? I'll guess not. A holiday is not the real live. After three weeks you went home to your own comfort zone.




What do you know about me ...... nothing. You don't know me. By the way Don Salvatore isn't my idol, Bill Gates is.



Absolutly true, but like i said before with out this action there would be no longer a Sicilian Mafia. That his wife got bombed either was just an accident and was not ordered.




And so was Albert Anastasia, Sammy Gravano, Lucky Luciano etc, etc, etc...

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

The fact that the guy doesn't agree with a certain view-point of The American Administration doesn't mean that he doesn't respect/like them....I know of a lot of American Sinators, Governors, and Pezzonavanti who do disagree with a lot of the American Administration behaviour...Do they disrespect the country they are serving??? Does CNN disrespect/hate America when it shows negative things about the US???? I don't think so....It's those that see something bad about someone/some-entity and keep those things to themselves who don't want things to get better....Those are the disrespectful/hateful people/organizations....



Everyone who posted on this thread mentioned someone to be his/her candidate for "the Greatest Don"...That doesn't mean those were that poster's idols...It was their answers to some question...We all know that all those characters were murderers and mobsters as well....

I don't know much about this Riina guy, but the fact that he rose to the top of The Sicilian Mafia out of nothing, in The-Land-Filled-Mobsters, does qualify him to be a serious contender....

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Sonny ]

Everytime I post, you're always against me. Always! Maybe you should get your facts straight you idiot. The reason I think he is his idol, is because he is related to him.


The Great Sonny is a moron. What an idiot!

Many people over here carry the name Riina, that does not mean they are related to Savatore Riina.

Riina is just a name, like Johnson in the USA. Are all the Johnson related to each other. I'll guess not.



I've this is what you call respect, i will not talk to you any longer.

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

Sorry Mobbing, i didn't ment to knockdown America. What i was trying to say was that we don't have a good economy or major company's, so we have to make money a different way.

Drugs and weapons are some of them. Some people over here (on this message board) think that all the country's in the world have a good economy.

Palermo and Catania ain't good measurements for the Sicilian economy. Both are big city's with harbours and airports. These two city's are quit rich. The country site of Sicily is extremely poor. Some relatives of me are living over there, so i know where i'm talking about.

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Don_Michel ]

No problem.

You know, I keep trying to forget why I called you "sick" once, but I never seem to get the chance to forget...Firstly, although you seemed to deservedly earn it, it is no "Holy mission" of mine to degrade/demean you...With all due respect, you are not that important, regardless of what your Mama tells you. Besides, you seem to be doing a good job in making yourself look that way...

I was simply posting my opinion on the matter at hand....The fact that you are so insecure and unstably disturbed thinking that it was directed only at your person and all my replys on this board are aimed to go "against you" is only adding credit to my point earlier about your psychological nature....

But let's go on with your point, just for the sake of arguing....There are members here who use the names of Gotti, Gambino, Guiliano, and maybe Capone...etc. Does your mind really convince you that they are related to those people???? If you didn't mean that but instead meant that since Michel lives in Sicily, so he's related to Riina, then, check out the police station in San Diego....I'm sure there are lots of criminals in San Diego...does that mean that you are related to one of them??? You do YOURSELF A BLOODY FAVOUR AND CHECK YOUR LOGIC...OR BETTER STILL, GET SOME PRO-HELP ON LOGIC...

Even if you/Michel is related to such a criminal, what the hell does it matter???? The guy answered a question....the fact that you don't agree is perfectly understandable....but getting so stupidly personal and childish over a disagreement in views once again adds to my hypothesis....

PS: I THINK THAT I CAN MAKE A VERY GOOD CASE AS TO WHO THE REAL IDIOT/MORON/STUPID/SICK IS...SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY GETTING SMARTER AND MORE MATURE WHEN YOU TALK TO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO CAN MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL USING PURE LOGIC AND YOUR OWN WORDS....

PS (Moderators): Is that the peace you have mentioned???? Someone calls members stupid/idiot/moron and you want me to tolerate such a behaviour ???

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Sonny ]

Sonny...why do you bother?
As I stated previously, none of us really needs to make a case or call a name, when it comes to a particular fellow-padrinophile. Let's sit back, relax over a banana dacquiri (How do you say that in Spanish?) and let some kids dig their own graves. However long it takes.
However I will agree that our moderators, much as I like them, have been outrageously tolerant of certain behavior. What can you do, I guess everyone has their breaking point...!!
Chill,

Apple

You said the right words Apple, by the way, i prefer a club soda if you don't mind.

How did this turn into a post about me? It was about Salvatore Riina, which Sonny and AppleOnYa know nothing about. I am hating a murderer, and I'm being insulted. Sonny, I hate Riina because he ruined my mother's homeland. I have my reasons. But at least Don Michel has the balls to say where he lives. Unlike you who is scared someone is going to track you down. What a paranoid loser. I remember KO wanted to have a "Who's Online" feature and you didn't want it cause you wanted privacy. , what a goof.



Your hilarious. You're that uptight about your privacy to a message board. Geez, you should be a comedian. "I'm bloody scared, that bloody people are going to see what bloody posts I'm looking at. I bloody, dont bloody like bloody it, mate."

It would be a very wise decision if you stop this silly conversation. Don't push it.

Do you get some sort of rise out of using that word "bloody?"

How many times are you going to personally attack people? You saw what I wrote about "Tough Guys" You have to laugh at people and call them goofs or losers all the time. Please for fucks sake stop it. Use the private message function. You always seem to have to go through old posts and find other quotes what people have said to insult other people further.

Well done. You must be proud.

It's gone too far.

Oh and PS: If anyone thinks this has nothing to do with me, think again, this is a public message board. I'd rather be reading posts based on opinions with facts backing them up rather than personal attacks. I've put up with it for long enough, but it's seriously gone too far now.

Turi, I couldn't agree with you more. In no way do I mean to overstep my bounds here, but I seriously wonder why a couple members(no names)are still in fact members to this board, when most all they do is insult other members and make posts simply to piss off another member. Through the history of this UBB and even the previous one, we have always had troublesome members now and then, but now the personal attacks and insults are playing a much greater role than they should be. So I(and I believe many other members share my feelings on this), believe that the appropriate measures need to be taken to take care of this ongoing problem which we are all very sick of.

Unacceptable!

JG

I wasn't following this thread, sorry, but it was just pointed out to me. Feuds and personal attacks DO NOT belong on this board. Take it to Private Messages or email if the temptation is too much to ignore, please! And I know who the instigator is, and as I continue down this thread, it may be apparent that a suspension is necessary...

JG

Strike #2

Francis, if you so much as fart too loud, you're gonna have a short vacation from this board. Time and again, while yes, others may get sucked into your little feuds, you have instigated 99% of them. Sorry, bud, but that's how I and most others see it. I think a change of attitude or a vacation is in order. Stop the personal attacks on the public board!!!!

Last warning.

JG

[ January 03, 2002: Message edited by: J Geoff ]

My friends the greatest don is a man by the name of Carlo Gambino followed by al capone the Vito Genovese then Albert Anastasia. Actually 2 3 4 are all a toss up anyone could take any place. Vito Genovese can be 2 so could Albert Anastasia. But Carlo is the greatest Don.

[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: J Geoff ]

My God, did you even read anything that JGeoff just said? If you had trouble finding it, it's in bold, right above your post.

[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: J Geoff ]

I think that ignoring such postings will be the best remedy.

Don Liguito is also on the verge of a vacation as well if he continues talking about other members like he had before I edited it out.

JG

Forget about it Liggy. The Don can do what he wants around here. It's his board. Don Malta you said that I was the instigator of the fueds, yet Sonny was the one who started it again. Look at this. I made a post about how I just became a Capo and some people weren't going to like it. It was a joke. Then Sonny posted this

This isn't insulting.


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Originally posted by Sonny:

I wonder why


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If thats not insulting, then I don't know what is. He is the insigator, not me! But I'll be the bigger man and stop this bloody fued . Grazie Don Malta.

[ January 04, 2002: Message edited by: Francis The Kid Forducci ]

Grazie :rolleyes:

JG

I think Capone was the one of the most ruthless mob leaders cuz he just didnt give a damn... he set way for many others also.

I would have to say carlo gambino he was very smart and he was low key. he rarely ever fucked up. Then i would have to say Vito Genovesse(sp??)
another low key guy. Then Alphonse "ScarFace" Capone this guy not low key but very famouse.

I vote for Al Capone. Just loot at the records of his reputation back then. Chicago will always be known for mafia hoods.

Well, we're all entitled to our definitions of "great." But Capone, while he deserves credit for creating a huge business in Chicago and acquiring major political power, screwed up big-time. We all know his story, but it ended with him spending 10 years in prison, and losing his mind to syphillis. According to John Kobler, one of his biographers, he could have settled his tax beef with the government painlessly but wasn't smart enough to take the opporunity when it was presented. And one of his doctors suspected syphillis early on, when it might have been controlled, but Capone turned down a spinal tap because he was afraid of needles. Lawrence Bergreen, another of his biographers, believes Al was a heavy drug user.
I go with Frank Costello and Carlo Gambino, both of whom were the most powerful Mob leaders of their time, and both of whom died peacefully. Frank served only a little time on a minor rap; Carlo never saw the inside of a prison.

Thanks for pointing that out, Rusty. 'Tis true, I said Gambino "never saw the inside of a jail," and in fact he did, not only for the Apalachin bust, but once (maybe more times) when the government tried to deport him. I should have said that he was never convicted of anything (the Apalachin contempt citations eventually were vacated.
Speaking of Apalachin: Joe Bonanno, crafty fellow, didn't attend that famous meeting. He stayed nearby, and sent his second in command, Gaspar di Gregorio. Problem was, Joe had taken a long vacation in Italy prior to the Apalachin meeting. Before leaving for Italy, he left his driver's licence with Gaspar for Gaspar to renew. Gaspar stuck it in his wallet and forgot all about it. When the Staties pinched Gaspar at Apalachin, they confiscated his wallet, and reported that "Joseph Bonanno" was one of those arrested. I guess di Gregorio was the subject of the joke about the guy who was drummed out of the Mafia for stupidity--they sent him to blow up a car, he burned his lips on the tailpipe.