Sinatra/Martin

Rather than whose the best, what's your thoughts on them both, or individually?

Sinatra, we all know the mob connections etc, Dean apparently knew them but got away without any real pressure?

Dino was a good guy. He was also a very good boxer.

Crostini was the better of the two by far. Dean started to hang around mobsters at a young age thanks to his cousin, that is how he became close to Cosmo Quattrone, and Jimmy Tripodi, he only became close to James Licavoli later while he was a dealer for a couple of the casinos in Ohio. He was closet to Cleveland and Detroit, more then the other families.

Sinatra voice was not what it use to be, but Dean Martin's voice never lost its tune.

Tony Bennett's better than all of them. Supposedly Spilotro confronted him over a mutual woman they were seeing.

In all seriousness, Frank from the Capitol Records days on forward was great. All purpose music. Card game, party, or just sipping on a whiskey double and reminiscing. Not a big fan of Frank's early crooning days in the 40s. Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Cab Calloway, et al made much better music at that time, imo.

Dino had a lot of great songs but I didn't like when he went for that Elvis sound. Kick In The Head is just a pure classic that will hold up forever.

Sammy Davis Jr. was great in the 50s. The version of Eee O Eleven that plays at the end of Oceans when they're walking down the strip is pure magic.

dino is a greater singer than sinatra, and a much better man. sinatra was a bully hiding behind his bodyguards.

Hard to argue, Binnie. But you can't deny Sinatra built a legacy that kept traditional pop relevant through all of these years. Through rock and roll, punk, new wave, hip hop, grunge, rave music, Sinatra still matters. Most legacy builders are frauds. They write their own history, and leave out the flaws. You don't have to do much digging with Sinatra to find his flaws. Several authors have exposed him through the years. But he still just matters. He's still a symbol of class and the good life.